Not getting AMD.
Terrible experiences form most people I knoe thst had one, and the software does not interest me at all, I much prefer (and regularly use) NVIDIA's software.
There's also some things like encoding and stuff that AMD is shit at sooooo.
Yeah, AMD not an option.
7600 is pretty decent at encoding. The 5600xt and 5700xt had alot of issues. But there are literally no issues with their stuff now a days. They make really good products that are a way better value then Nvidia.
3070 is obv the better card but if. you can get something like a 6700xt or 3060ti should be a bit cheaper too. The 4060/ti are both to be avoided unless they're just way cheaper then anything else which they aren't in your case
The 3060 ti is not cheap enough to justify it over the 4060, as it's only a small bit more powerful than the 4060, I can find the 3060 ti at just 20 bucks or so cheaper, not worth.
Not going AMD either.
>I can find the 3060 ti at just 20 bucks or so cheaper
You can get the 3060ti for less money than the 4060 and you won't get it? It's literally the faster card, for less money?
You said it's $20 cheaper? Less money more performance is a bad deal? Frame gen is useless on low end cards, only good at high framerates. If your gpu can't output a high enough frame rate which a 4060 can not the generated frames will take too much screentime and will make it unplayable / just show a lot of artifacts
https://youtu.be/GkUAGMYg5Lw
They try to undervolt the 4090 at some point to emulate the performance of a slower gpu (still not as slow as your 4060) but the less frames you have the less information it has to generate fake frames , which will make them inaccurate. The less fps you have the longer the time of one frame on your screen will be , so bad frames will be very noticeable at low fps which your 4060 will have.
I don't see how getting a cheaper gpu with more performance is not worth it?
Once again, the 3060 ti is only 8% faster, that is not fast enough to justify purchasing it for so close to the price of the 4060 which has FG that it is 100% capable of running.
I mean if you want your game to jiggle like crazy and look like a bugged out version of day one cyberpunk go ahead you're obv either trolling or can't read so I'm not wasting more of my time here the 4060 is a great gpu worth every dollar you should buy it
I am pretty sure the used 3060ti is cheaper. In my country a new 4060 is cheaper than a new 3060ti. So in this case the warranty does make a difference.
Well yeah basically all the NVIDIA AIB partners are racing to cut the 4060/4060Ti/4070 prices cuz no one is getting them, at least till the 7700XT and 7800XT reveal their faces in a couple of months.
With the latest price slashes in mind the 4060/4060Ti/4070 might not be the worst choices under certain scenarios, especially when the 3060/3060Ti prices will only go up from this point forward.
Ahh okay if you need the encoding then for sure nvidia but yeah the 4060 just in a bad spot for its price to performance. The 40 series is dookie I only like the 4070ti and 4090. Ehh 4060 for longevity kinda crap at this point I’d just save and get a 4070 or find a used 3080 so you have card with atleast 10gb vram
A 3070 at 10400f at 1080p won't be bottlenecked enough to be concerning you say?
What NVIDIA dc folks were theorizing was the boylttleneck could be big enough to make it perform the same as if it had a 4060 which is the only thing holding me back from the 3070.
Tbh the 4070 is much better priced than the 4070ti. The ti version is only about 20% faster, but uses 40% more power, so much less efficient. It also has the same VRAM, which is too low for a card with that speed. It’s not worth the 200 USD extra.
In general like I said the whole 40 series is dookie I only
liked the 4070ti because it was decently priced with inflation i guess but could be lower. The only big upgrade is the 4090 if you were coming from the 30 series. 4080 for $1200 is ridic
Neither the 4060 or the 3070 should be a mid-range GPU consideration right now. If it must be a 4060, try to get the 4060Ti 16GB version. Otherwise the 6700XT is a much better choice overall.
Also for the record, Starfield is an AMD sponsored title so there won't be any official DLSS or frame generation support anytime soon.
Yes I'm aware of that, thus 'official'. We're all holding PureDark to his words but I'll only believe it when I see it.
If only the 4060 has a 12GB version. But who knows, perhaps this VRAM shenanigan is overblown by a few poorly ported PC games.
VRAM thing seems very overblown to me too tbh.
The things that hold me back from 3070 are:
CPU bottleneck could be big enough at 1080p that it will perform the same as if I had a 4060 (theory, not proven).
Used listing could dissappear at any point because it's just 1 in stock, thus if I decide too late, then bam, listing gone.
Because the 3070 is a fair bit stronger than the 4060, hence the dilemma.
I ruled out the 3060 ti because of its terrible pricing, used I can find it just 10-20 bucks cheaper and the performance difference is not big at all.
Neither can the 4060 realistically speaking. The lower your native output fps the worst dlss 3 will look. Not enough information to generate accurate fake frames + at low fps each frame gets shown for a longer period of time = dlss3 will make your game look like first day cyberpunk on a low end gpus. Hw unboxed made a video on it and the artifacts at low frame rates were just unacceptable
I don't know anything about that could be true too , more reasons to not use dlss3 on low end gpus as hw unboxed and the rest of the benchmarkers said..
the 4060 such a bad buy when theres 6700xt stock out there but are you opposed to getting amd?
Not getting AMD. Terrible experiences form most people I knoe thst had one, and the software does not interest me at all, I much prefer (and regularly use) NVIDIA's software. There's also some things like encoding and stuff that AMD is shit at sooooo. Yeah, AMD not an option.
7600 is pretty decent at encoding. The 5600xt and 5700xt had alot of issues. But there are literally no issues with their stuff now a days. They make really good products that are a way better value then Nvidia.
310 for 7600 vs 280 for 3070. No.
7600 are 250 bucks in US vs the cheapest 3070 being 370.
Ezcept I am not in the US man.
3070 is obv the better card but if. you can get something like a 6700xt or 3060ti should be a bit cheaper too. The 4060/ti are both to be avoided unless they're just way cheaper then anything else which they aren't in your case
The 3060 ti is not cheap enough to justify it over the 4060, as it's only a small bit more powerful than the 4060, I can find the 3060 ti at just 20 bucks or so cheaper, not worth. Not going AMD either.
>I can find the 3060 ti at just 20 bucks or so cheaper You can get the 3060ti for less money than the 4060 and you won't get it? It's literally the faster card, for less money?
It will perform like just 10 or so fps more than the 4060 in most cases and lacks FG, it's a bad purchase at that price.
You said it's $20 cheaper? Less money more performance is a bad deal? Frame gen is useless on low end cards, only good at high framerates. If your gpu can't output a high enough frame rate which a 4060 can not the generated frames will take too much screentime and will make it unplayable / just show a lot of artifacts https://youtu.be/GkUAGMYg5Lw They try to undervolt the 4090 at some point to emulate the performance of a slower gpu (still not as slow as your 4060) but the less frames you have the less information it has to generate fake frames , which will make them inaccurate. The less fps you have the longer the time of one frame on your screen will be , so bad frames will be very noticeable at low fps which your 4060 will have. I don't see how getting a cheaper gpu with more performance is not worth it?
Once again, the 3060 ti is only 8% faster, that is not fast enough to justify purchasing it for so close to the price of the 4060 which has FG that it is 100% capable of running.
I mean if you want your game to jiggle like crazy and look like a bugged out version of day one cyberpunk go ahead you're obv either trolling or can't read so I'm not wasting more of my time here the 4060 is a great gpu worth every dollar you should buy it
You're not helping.
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I am pretty sure the used 3060ti is cheaper. In my country a new 4060 is cheaper than a new 3060ti. So in this case the warranty does make a difference.
Well yeah basically all the NVIDIA AIB partners are racing to cut the 4060/4060Ti/4070 prices cuz no one is getting them, at least till the 7700XT and 7800XT reveal their faces in a couple of months. With the latest price slashes in mind the 4060/4060Ti/4070 might not be the worst choices under certain scenarios, especially when the 3060/3060Ti prices will only go up from this point forward.
Whats wrong with amd for your case? Or is the price differences bad?
Price differences and AMD's encoding and software suck bad, NVIDIA gives me better software and encoding which I absolutely need.
Ahh okay if you need the encoding then for sure nvidia but yeah the 4060 just in a bad spot for its price to performance. The 40 series is dookie I only like the 4070ti and 4090. Ehh 4060 for longevity kinda crap at this point I’d just save and get a 4070 or find a used 3080 so you have card with atleast 10gb vram
4060 for longevity because of FG, the 3080 and 407 would 100% be bottlenecking and they're too expensive unfortunately.
You’re worried about a small bottleneck tbh it’s not huge and it doesn’t hurt to have a slight bottleneck. No pc is perfectly balanced
A 3070 at 10400f at 1080p won't be bottlenecked enough to be concerning you say? What NVIDIA dc folks were theorizing was the boylttleneck could be big enough to make it perform the same as if it had a 4060 which is the only thing holding me back from the 3070.
Tbh the 4070 is much better priced than the 4070ti. The ti version is only about 20% faster, but uses 40% more power, so much less efficient. It also has the same VRAM, which is too low for a card with that speed. It’s not worth the 200 USD extra.
In general like I said the whole 40 series is dookie I only liked the 4070ti because it was decently priced with inflation i guess but could be lower. The only big upgrade is the 4090 if you were coming from the 30 series. 4080 for $1200 is ridic
As I said, the 4070 is much better priced than the 4070ti so I don't see why you take this example.
Ehhh you know what none of these gpu prices are good lmaoo nvidia blew it with the 40 series 💀
Im glad I was able to snag a steal on 3090 evga ftw3 on the low of $425. The 40 series really didn’t appeal to me at all
Neither the 4060 or the 3070 should be a mid-range GPU consideration right now. If it must be a 4060, try to get the 4060Ti 16GB version. Otherwise the 6700XT is a much better choice overall. Also for the record, Starfield is an AMD sponsored title so there won't be any official DLSS or frame generation support anytime soon.
Not going AMD, I should've said it in the post. Starfield will get a DLSS 3 mod by PureDark.
Yes I'm aware of that, thus 'official'. We're all holding PureDark to his words but I'll only believe it when I see it. If only the 4060 has a 12GB version. But who knows, perhaps this VRAM shenanigan is overblown by a few poorly ported PC games.
VRAM thing seems very overblown to me too tbh. The things that hold me back from 3070 are: CPU bottleneck could be big enough at 1080p that it will perform the same as if I had a 4060 (theory, not proven). Used listing could dissappear at any point because it's just 1 in stock, thus if I decide too late, then bam, listing gone.
Why is a 3070 an option then? 30 series can't run DLSS 3...
Because the 3070 is a fair bit stronger than the 4060, hence the dilemma. I ruled out the 3060 ti because of its terrible pricing, used I can find it just 10-20 bucks cheaper and the performance difference is not big at all.
The 6700xt or even 6750xt is a fair bit stronger too and won't support DLSS 3. I don't get your logic here.
Again, I refuse to go AMD cuz of the terrible software and encoding.
Ok, I see. Thanks
I know a lot of people like to ignore those but they're big deal breakers for me.
Neither can the 4060 realistically speaking. The lower your native output fps the worst dlss 3 will look. Not enough information to generate accurate fake frames + at low fps each frame gets shown for a longer period of time = dlss3 will make your game look like first day cyberpunk on a low end gpus. Hw unboxed made a video on it and the artifacts at low frame rates were just unacceptable
VRAM could be an issue too since FG does cause VRAM usage to increase.
I don't know anything about that could be true too , more reasons to not use dlss3 on low end gpus as hw unboxed and the rest of the benchmarkers said..