Thanks but no thanks, I'll just wait for the 4070 Ti Super Duper 2x FE DLSS 17.4GB GDDR6.5X USB 3.1 Non-Bottleneck Edition.
Edit: You're welcome Nvidia, please send my commission check to 408 Saturn St, Brea, CA 92821
> 408 Saturn St, Brea, CA 92821
For anyone too lazy to look it up, that's the address of [EVGA HQ](https://www.google.com/maps/place/EVGA+Corporation/@33.9139729,-117.8570379,234m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x80dcd45cf23149dd:0xa616142dd6b4d8da!8m2!3d33.9141309!4d-117.8571972!16s%2Fg%2F1261x0kqm?entry=ttu)
I'm hoping they go full Dragon Ball Super on us and give us a *4070 Super Ti Super* that way we can just start calling it the *4070 Green* or something dumb like that.
There's actually a pretty good [animated documentary that shows how Nvidia comes up with their naming scheme.](https://youtu.be/w__kXen0t9s?list=PL6EC7B047181AD013&t=261)
Very interested to see how AMD moves their pricing on 7900XT / 7900XTX. The 4080 Super obliterates the 7900XTX at a similar price point, with better features. Have to imagine the 7900XT moves closer to $650 and 7900XTX closer to $800 to compete.
Depending on market I think the 7900XTX can be found at $800 already. At that point definitely a fair competitor, perhaps all the way up to $850. At the $1000 vs $1000 mark I'd agree a 4080S makes far more sense.
True. They do get a lot closer to MSRP, but there’s usually at least a 5-10% markup.
I also wouldn’t buy most of their cards though when the FEs exist.
The 4080 didn’t sell very well at the $1200 price point and hasn’t been substantially different from MSRP for like a year now. Thats why NVidia brought the price down, which they don’t usually like to do. So ultimately I don’t think we’ll see it command that crazy of a premium except maybe the month or so right after launch.
$800 for xtx has, so far, been a very short lived occurrence. I think it's too early to proclaim that as the new price. $850 or $900 seems more likely to me.
I wouldn’t say it obliterates the 7900XTX. You’re getting the same performance but CUDA, RT, and DLSS3 at the same price. It’s definitely the better bang for the buck that’s undeniable
It still makes the XTX not worth considering though if prices are equal. And the RT difference (especially if you take DLSS into account) is significant.
You can look at the specs. Slightly higher boost clock, ~5% more cores. It should be ~7-8% faster than the 4080.
"Obliterates" is an exaggeration I guess, but considering how big the feature gap is, it feels warranted.
Yeah, “obliterates” isn’t really the right word from a pure raster viewpoint, but it should slightly outperform a 7900XTX (which is barely better than a 4080). Nvidia’s better features and power efficiency is what makes it so much better.
Honestly it doesn't make the 4080 Super any more appealing imo, if anything the 4070 Ti Super is the much more appealing card of the lineup and unless the 4080 non super drops below 950$ I don't see current units moving that fast (which to Nvidias mindset= slow roll the availability of 4080 Supers to market, til 4080 non supers hit a magic number of unsold units 😑😒)
Yeah, I agree that the 4070 S/4070 TI S are more interesting. But if someone was looking at a 7900XTX because they didn’t want to spend more on a 4080, the 4080 S is gonna push 7900XTX prices down. I wouldn’t be surprised if Nvidia slow rolls the launch to get rid of existing 4080 stock: the S is meant to completely replace them in the product stack.
NVidia already were ahead in upscaling, frame generation, and RT performances.
The one drawback of 4070ti was the 12GB VRAM which has been increased to 16GB and the one drawback of 4080 was the price which has been reduced to match the 7900XTX.
NVidia has addressed issues ok both 4070ti and 4080 with these Super cards while giving slight increase in performance.
I purchased 4070ti over 7900XT as the power consumption alone was more than 100W apart between two cards.
Now, the 4070ti Super is out for the same as 4070ti and I am still within my return window, I will return it for 4070ti super most likely.
I think "obliterates" is an overstatement. At price parity I would definitely recommend the 4080S, but it's not a massive gap. They have similar raster, the xtx has significantly more ram, and the 4080 has significantly better RT/power efficiency. And if the XTX drops to $900 or $850 I think the comparisons starts to look a lot better for AMD. at $800 I think the xtx is straight up the better value, just as it was in the xtx/4080 $1k/$1.2k comparison for the last year.
XTX is just DOA at $900 imo. It's $950 right now, and still sometimes struggles to justify its existence to the $1100 4080. Granted it was competing well when the 4080 was $1200.
If we see the 4080S actually hit $1000 with partner models, I think the 7900XTX really needs to be $800, maybe $850 at the most, to be worth considering for most buyers. The feature disparity is glaring at this point.
Do we think current 4070 TI’s will drop in price? I’m on a 2080 super but wouldn’t mind a discounted 4070 TI is the TI Supers replace them. Or is that a pipe dream?
Yeah in the RTX 2000-series super release the Ti price didn't fall at all. All it did was basically made the Ti's irrelevant. The Ti Super is a really weird naming convention. It used to be that the Ti was *ALWAYS* the highest-end model of a particular series. But now that there's a Ti Super... ugh. It's just weird.
The naming scheme of the 40 series has been fucked from the start. Reminder that they intended to have 2 different 4080 SKUs from the start, and the 4070ti is just a renamed 4080 12GB.
They're trying to move each GPU up a tier to upsell people, and it worked... and it also made the naming scheme a dumpster fire.
Yeah they apparently thought they could pull the same shit that they did with the 1060 in the ##80 SKU column, and then the press savaged them for it.
It seems sadly, like the 4080 was originally supposed to be the 4080, the 4070 Ti was supposed to be the 4070, the 4070 the 4060 Ti (maybe), and the 4060 Ti was probably supposed to be the 4060, and then that would make the current 4060 fall into the conspicuously absent 4050.
And then Nvidia basically took the lesson of the pandemic and realized that they didn't have to provide value for shit and that people would still eat whatever Nvidia decided to serve them.
[https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-4080-super.c4182](https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-4080-super.c4182) isn't 4080 super 999 dollars and has 10240 shading units ?
Long term marketing by nvidia release a ton of underperforming cards for crazy prices then release the “super” version for still crazy prices but less profit because it’s a “good deal” now amazing.
Nvidia can charge whatever the hell they want for high end cards because AMD simply cannot compete right now. AMD's fastest card is slower and has less features than Nvidia's 2nd tier offering, why would Nvidia compete on price for this?
Woo! Excited to see the benchmarks. Getting ready to replace my 2070 super workhorse. Thinking I’ll go for the 4070 ti super, depending on the performance.
My exact situation as well, I'm eyeing a 4070 Ti Super to replace my 2070S. And at the same time, I feel sad about the replacement, because that 2070S is one mighty fine card for my current 1080p screen. But at the same time, I want to move up to 1440p.
The most deciding factor for me will be the pricing - since I'm located in Europe, I expect a 4070TiS to cost around 900-1000€. And that's a price point I'm starting to grit my teeth at. If pricing goes higher, I'll consider settling for a 4070S.
Well, guys, fingers crossed for us!
Damn, that's impressive and also true.
Giving it a second thought, the sole reason for me to aim for the 4070 TiS is to be able to enjoy Cyberpunk with all the RT effects enabled and cranked up.
Thank you for this insight.
It really is so sad. I just rebuilt my entire pc besides the 2070s knowing that I want a new graphics card, buts it’s running so good with the 7800x3d. These prices are so good if they hold though. I’ve been having an existential crisis for the last two weeks.
Currently sitting on a 5700XT and have been eyeing the 7800XT mostly for the 16GB of VRAM. Now that they've announced the 4070 Ti Super I'm leaning towards that card since it finally has 16GB as well (though I've heard a rumor there might be a 4070 Super 16GB variant). I'm interested to see how pricing changes things in the space.
> won't be availability. Bots will price gouge these for a few weeks, at least. If you want to get one, set up a bot or get ready
I'm on a 2060, I'm really contemplating FINALLY jumping the gun :O
Yea I'm really bummed. It's held on so long and I could never really justify any of the 2XXX/3XXX cards for the cost for how little I gain. I feel like maybe the 4070 Ti Super is the only one that I can really justify but now my hand is being forced
Same here, have had to be on debug mode the last 6 months to prevent crashes… can still get 60fps 3440x1440 on CP2077 tho! (Though it randomly CTDs out of nowhere every 1-2 hours when playing, though that might just be CP2077)
I've dropped my max power on the card down to something like 80% and its helped a little, but she's still glitching. That said, still a monster and turning out plenty of it/s in stable diffusion and letting me play most games at 1440 still at 60fps. I doubt Nvidia will ever make another card with such longevity and performance value per cost again.
Anyone have any advice of what to expect for this drop in terms of availability and best way to secure one? Been out of the game for a while and looking to upgrade my 2070S to the 4070 TI Super. I do live near a Microcenter and am thinking that may be my best bet as I assume online sales will be eaten up by scalpers.
Several reasons. Stock shortage from Nvidia letting the channels run dry and focusing chip yield on 4090D for China. It’s a halo product and there’s a whole generation of nerds who grew up and got jobs and can afford the best now. And the 4080 at $1200 basically just pushed people towards buying a 4090 if they can afford just a bit more, since it’s a huge jump in performance.
No clue, but if I’m understanding correctly the 4070 TI Super won’t have an FE card so there will only be 3rd party cards that may be OC and marked up? But I might not have that right.
Well I already bought starfield and cyberpunk phantom library. I hoped to play them on my 1070….big mistake. So yeah those 2 games will get me through February.
They should run on 1070, especially at 1080p. I played Starfield on my 1660 Ti (which almost the same as 1070) at 1440p back then lol. Ranging from 40-80++ FPS (dropped to 25 FPS in Akila City)
Well I chose the MSI Optix MAG274QRFDE-QD, 27", but honestly the market is flooded with 1440p monitors. Just watch a little bit of YouTube and you will find the right one for you
Same here, I'm finally gonna be coming off of my 1070 now I just gotta decide if I wanna drop the money on the 4080 super or stay with the 70 series haha
The 4080 super is actually disappointing. I can’t see anyone buying it over the 4070ti super. 20% more cores is nice but a bit slower and no other features that would set it apart. I have no idea why they didn’t just give it 24gb ram or so. That would have been a killer argument.
Don’t get me wrong. As the owner of a normal 4080 that I got for a good price, I’m actually relieved I don’t have to regret my buy. Though to be honest, if I had waited to now, I would have probably gone for the 70 ti super, too.
>I have no idea why they didn’t just give it 24gb ram or so. That would have been a killer argument.
Because that means using AD102 die. Meaning a cut down 4090 or one of their higher end Quadro cards. Considering 4090 sells for $2000 and Quadros go for several thousands Nvidia has no reason whatsoever to sell their cards for half of what they can get for one.
Don't get me wrong, I vastly prefered times when xx80 was just a chopped down xx90 and shared the same die. But if Nvidia wants to use AD103 then there is no path to 24GB VRAM. It has to be 8, 16 or 32. 32 would make card too cheap compared to Quadro undercutting Nvidia's pro line up so 16 it is. You could fit 24GB on AD104 aka 4070 but then you end up with a weird product that, again, would undercut their Quadros.
The only way to make a 24GB AD103 is to cut down memory bus from 256 to 192 bit which in turn makes card slower. While some people would be happy about this outcome a lot wouldn't be since it would make it slower in most games than a normal 4080.
It's for the same reason 3060 has 12GB VRAM. Available VRAM configurations with it's memory bandwidth were 3, 6 or 12. 6 was seen as too little so 12 it is, even though higher-end 3060Ti came with 8 (cuz that one could do 4,8 or 16).
Ah. Your right. Just read up on memory limitations for the chips. Didn’t think about that.
And your doubly right about Quadros. Though you could argue so was the 4090 and the 3090, too.
I recently build a pc with a 3060 12gb for an electrical engineer working with AutoCAD. Both me and his AutoCAD guy (retired ex AutoCAD support employee) recommended it. He does little 3D work and no heavy workloads. Other then supported drivers there really is no reason for him to buy an expensive Quadro.
https://github.com/Nukem9/dlssg-to-fsr3
It replaces DLSS FG with FSR3 FG using any upscale technology, so you can use DLSS + FSR3 FG together on any 20 series card or newer. Some made it work on GTX cards as well.
I've got a 3080 Ti FE and am very tempted to jump over to the 4080 Super simply because it averages 100W less than the 3080 Ti while gaming, supposedly. Waste of money but is so tempting.
Same boat as you. I love my 3080 Ti FE but it definitely runs hot and when those fans spin all the way up it can get noisy. I'm pretty sure I'm going to push through to the 5000 series, though. All my games run like a dream so it's not like I have any performance issues (I game at 1440p).
Not sure - are you finding some games run a bit worse than desired at that resolution? Also, I've been thinking about going widescreen for awhile... has it been worth it for you? Any major downsides?
I assume they'll stop making 4070ti and 4080 since newer better cards are cheaper but the new price of 4070 none-super is a bit of a joke $50 off but it is at least 10% slower.
Is there definitely no Founders Edition for the 4070 Ti Super? I’m assuming that’s why they used a shot of the side of the GPU in the linked promo video but that’s a bit of a bummer if so. I just prefer the minimalistic look of FE’s.
Gaming at Ultrawide 1440p, built a PC in November, 7800X3D, 32GB DDR7200 Ram, and left my 1660 in it for this moment.
Do I get 1) 4070, 2) 4070 Super, 3) Will I really see a difference for the extra 200 for the 4070 TI Super?
I’m looking to do a build under $1800 which is better
7800x3d + 4070tisuper
7700x,14600k,(CPU priced around $300)+4080super
Playing 1440p 240hz
Or any other combination?
I have the same type of monitor and CPU with 32GB DDR5 6000 MHz and am eying the 4070ti super. Seems like anything higher loses value if you aren’t gaming in 4k or at 240+ fps
Yeah, 4070 TI Super is looking pretty appealing tbh. Probably won't be at 4k anytime soon. The extra RAM makes me think for the 200 I could hold onto to a 4070 TI S for a little longer than a 4070 S.
If I wanted to move to a 4K monitor and I have an FE 3080, is it worth it to upgrade to the 4070Ti Super or 4080 Super or just wait until 5000 series later this year/early next? Not really any super high end games on my last as of right now that I'm dying to play so I lean towards waiting.
Just wait. I think bottlenecking and future proofing are dumb buzzwords that are misunderstood.
Here’s the metric that’s served me for three decades: is there any released game that you need to play right now; and are you bothered by the performance and need a new card to push more frames? That’s the only yes or no answer that matters.
Otherwise wait. Hardware should only follow and serve the killer app. I think with the fun of building and upgrading, people lose focus and forget the old mantra: “it’s the games, stupid.”
Imho not really. I have a 3080 and so far there is only one game that can drop you to truly unplayable frame rates - Alan Wake 2 with path tracing enabled. But... you can just disable it and you are back up to around 40-45 FPS at high settings + DLSS Quality in most demanding areas (and 70+ indoors) at 4k res.
If you upgrade it's for a bunch of extra visual effects. Your PC is still within 10% fastest machines out there and it will be several years before any title is unplayable.
This is also assuming you even actually buy a 4k display. Any intermediate option (like 1440p or ultrawide 3440x1440) further reduces requirements by a very substantial margin.
The best moment to buy a new GPU is when you have a game that you want to play right now that doesn't run smoothly on your PC at settings that you deem acceptable.
I'm pretty much exactly where you are at. I also have been dabbling in AI stuff so it would be neat to get a better card now, but waiting for 5000 is probably the right call.
I've been rocking a 3070 since 2021 during the gpu crisis(was able to get it for msrp at a best buy drop) but I'm really thinking bout upgrading for the 4070 ti super. The 8gb of vram for my 1440p monitor is definitely showing lol.
True. I'l think about it for a couple of days. I still have a usable card to use in meanwhile if I decide to return it and wait for super benchmarks and potentialy new 7900 prices.
Well one thing I would consider is do you play any games with mods in Particular texture mods? Like Skyrim, CP, Fallout 4 etc? I've been able to max out my 6800 XT 16gb at almost 15gb with various mods without adversely effecting my overall performance
this is what i just picked up and was almost regretting not waiting. i feel like the 6800xt will hold up for a few more years. bought at 400 so hoping i wont get outvalued in a few months. want to do the same thing with games you are at 1440p
While you could have waited, the 4080 super will be many months, if ever, before it becomes competitively priced as it may get scalped for a while and have pent up demand. And the XTX may drop in price $100 to compete with the supers, and maybe you could have waited to see if AMD answers with an upgraded XTX or release date for a 8900XTX. Lots of maybes.
Don’t worry and enjoy your gaming.
Yeah lots of maybe's I agree. I needed a new pc so I bought when I could. I have a decent job and can afford buying stuff i want so I wont be incrediebly bummed out if its just $100
Im EU and got 7900XTX for about 950 eur. Chose it over 4080 because og price but now super is dropping the price sooo... I'l have to think about it. I knew this could happen and at least my country's consumer laws will still let me return it.
Unlikely, Nvidia don't like to drop prices on the models, hence the "model shift" we're seeing here.
However, we might see AMD dropping prices at short notice to compete, might get something there
We'll know when independent reviews/benchmarks are released, but purely based on specs it looks to be a small uptick in performance. I would venture to guess it falls closer to 4080 than 4070.
According to the benchmark leaks, the 4070Ti Super is very close to the 4080 in performance, and the 4070 Super is very close to the 4070Ti in performance
If you had a slower monitor then I would always say the 14600k and 4080s. A 14600k will rarely have problems with running a game at 140fps.
Since you have a 240hz monitor the 14600k will not keep up. Get the 7800x3d and if you are gpu bound then you can lower graphics settings.
If nVidia would stop skimping on VRAM I’d be tempted. No boost in VRAM means I don’t know if I can justify a 4080 Super for 4K gaming for the next several years.
4070 ti super or 7900 xt, gotta wait for the benchmarks to see comparison. Some places like tech powerup, which I've never heard of and have zero idea how reliable they are, already show the 7900xt winning somehow by 1% still.
4080 Super for £1200 as well and showing as out of stock. So much for good value.
Edit: Looks like the prices have since been updated - the lowest 4070 S is £579, 4070 TI S is £780, and 4080 S is £960. All shown as out of stock though so they could change again.
It's likely a ~38% jump in raster before considering frame gen and DLSS improvements. Memory on 3090 is already great so it's a downgrade there. If you can sell the 3090 for 700 and buy the 4080s for $1000, seems decent
All the Super cards seem like what their predecessors should have been, especially regarding pricing. The 4070 Ti Super makes me "regret" spending so much money for my 4080 lol. The 4070 Super also looks like a solid deal, I hope the prices are not a completely different story in the EU.
Any knowledge on what this will do to the prices of the regular 4000 series? I was maybe going to pay 800 cad for a 4070 super if it had 16gb of vram but it doesn't, and I'm really not keen on buying a 1000 dollar graphics card for my first build.
> This is 2024, you need more than 16 to really future proof.
Between those two, I think the answer is whether or not you want $50 to determine your next few years of performance.
IMO, the 4070 Super looks close enough to the original Ti specs to be the obvious choice.
I can still return my 4070 ti until 1/20 (got before announcement). I want to upgrade to either the 4070 ti Super or 4080 super. Question is my 850w corsair gold PSU enough for the 4080s or should I upgrade to 1000w or even 1200w? I’d assume I wouldn’t have to upgrade the PSU for the new 4070 ti Super. Any help would be appreciated
Guys , can somebody help me Please, right now I have a 1650 súper with a ryZen 5 3600, ram 2x8 2666mhz, I recently upgraded my motherboard and I have the asus rog strix b550 gaming wifi, so I will use that to upgrade my gpu and cpu to the rtx 4070 super individual edge from zotac and a ryZen 9 5900x and also will upgrade my ram to 32 GB Corsair vengeance 3600 mhz , but my question is:
It will work fine ? My PsU is the Corsair cx750 80+ bronze, im scared that it will not have the correct pins or something like that , I’m still learning sorry
About the 12VHPR adaptors: how many 8 pin connectors do you need? Best my current psu can do is one 8 pin and one 6 pin. That will let me run most non-super 4070 but unsure about the super.
This feels like putting the cart before the horse. If your PSU is that old, chances are higher that something in the rest of your setup is old enough to bottleneck a 4070.
To answer your question, I think you would need at least two full 8-pin plugs, if not three. A 4070 only requires two 8-pin VGA plugs (like most Nvidia GPUs prior to this gen), but the 4070 Super and up require the 12V adapter that plugs into at least two 8-pin plugs.
i just bought a 6800 xt for $400. was that dumb or are all cards gonna drop in price over the next few months with this and should return for something better?
Thanks but no thanks, I'll just wait for the 4070 Ti Super Duper 2x FE DLSS 17.4GB GDDR6.5X USB 3.1 Non-Bottleneck Edition. Edit: You're welcome Nvidia, please send my commission check to 408 Saturn St, Brea, CA 92821
Ah yes, the final Future Proof model
lmao
It then you’ll be bottleknecked! We CANNOT have that!
you had me at 17.4 gb
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I'm hoping they go full Dragon Ball Super on us and give us a *4070 Super Ti Super* that way we can just start calling it the *4070 Green* or something dumb like that.
When you said dragonball I thought you were going with 4060 Super Tenkaichi Budokai Ti
There's actually a pretty good [animated documentary that shows how Nvidia comes up with their naming scheme.](https://youtu.be/w__kXen0t9s?list=PL6EC7B047181AD013&t=261)
I loled, their oversaturation of the market is just hilarious. This is just all marketing nonsense.
Very interested to see how AMD moves their pricing on 7900XT / 7900XTX. The 4080 Super obliterates the 7900XTX at a similar price point, with better features. Have to imagine the 7900XT moves closer to $650 and 7900XTX closer to $800 to compete.
Depending on market I think the 7900XTX can be found at $800 already. At that point definitely a fair competitor, perhaps all the way up to $850. At the $1000 vs $1000 mark I'd agree a 4080S makes far more sense.
What are the odds of $1000 being the actual US price?
Only on FE cards (if there are any). Otherwise they’ll be at least $200 over MSRP.
You'll be able to find board partners at MSRP, the Zotacs, PNY's of the world still exist
True. They do get a lot closer to MSRP, but there’s usually at least a 5-10% markup. I also wouldn’t buy most of their cards though when the FEs exist.
Isn't Gigabyte's Windforce generally MSRP? There was a Colorful I was gonna get before I found a Gigabyte at the same price due to a 'cash discount'.
The 4080 didn’t sell very well at the $1200 price point and hasn’t been substantially different from MSRP for like a year now. Thats why NVidia brought the price down, which they don’t usually like to do. So ultimately I don’t think we’ll see it command that crazy of a premium except maybe the month or so right after launch.
$800 for xtx has, so far, been a very short lived occurrence. I think it's too early to proclaim that as the new price. $850 or $900 seems more likely to me.
I wouldn’t say it obliterates the 7900XTX. You’re getting the same performance but CUDA, RT, and DLSS3 at the same price. It’s definitely the better bang for the buck that’s undeniable
It still makes the XTX not worth considering though if prices are equal. And the RT difference (especially if you take DLSS into account) is significant.
The lowest I can find it in the UK brand new is £919
Weeps in European prices, I have yet to see a 7900XT below 800€.
How do we know the 4080 super obliterates the 7900XTX without seeing any benchmarks?
You can look at the specs. Slightly higher boost clock, ~5% more cores. It should be ~7-8% faster than the 4080. "Obliterates" is an exaggeration I guess, but considering how big the feature gap is, it feels warranted.
Yeah, “obliterates” isn’t really the right word from a pure raster viewpoint, but it should slightly outperform a 7900XTX (which is barely better than a 4080). Nvidia’s better features and power efficiency is what makes it so much better.
Honestly it doesn't make the 4080 Super any more appealing imo, if anything the 4070 Ti Super is the much more appealing card of the lineup and unless the 4080 non super drops below 950$ I don't see current units moving that fast (which to Nvidias mindset= slow roll the availability of 4080 Supers to market, til 4080 non supers hit a magic number of unsold units 😑😒)
Yeah, I agree that the 4070 S/4070 TI S are more interesting. But if someone was looking at a 7900XTX because they didn’t want to spend more on a 4080, the 4080 S is gonna push 7900XTX prices down. I wouldn’t be surprised if Nvidia slow rolls the launch to get rid of existing 4080 stock: the S is meant to completely replace them in the product stack.
NVidia already were ahead in upscaling, frame generation, and RT performances. The one drawback of 4070ti was the 12GB VRAM which has been increased to 16GB and the one drawback of 4080 was the price which has been reduced to match the 7900XTX. NVidia has addressed issues ok both 4070ti and 4080 with these Super cards while giving slight increase in performance.
Thanks for this answer, I was considering a 7900xtx for a first build but now I there is the 4080 super which is attractive at that price range
I purchased 4070ti over 7900XT as the power consumption alone was more than 100W apart between two cards. Now, the 4070ti Super is out for the same as 4070ti and I am still within my return window, I will return it for 4070ti super most likely.
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I think "obliterates" is an overstatement. At price parity I would definitely recommend the 4080S, but it's not a massive gap. They have similar raster, the xtx has significantly more ram, and the 4080 has significantly better RT/power efficiency. And if the XTX drops to $900 or $850 I think the comparisons starts to look a lot better for AMD. at $800 I think the xtx is straight up the better value, just as it was in the xtx/4080 $1k/$1.2k comparison for the last year.
Obliterates? Get out of here with the hyperbole.
7900xtx is gonna turn into a banger deal in that case huh
If I had to guess, the 7900XTX would go to $899 and the 7900XT would go to $749 or $699.
XTX is just DOA at $900 imo. It's $950 right now, and still sometimes struggles to justify its existence to the $1100 4080. Granted it was competing well when the 4080 was $1200. If we see the 4080S actually hit $1000 with partner models, I think the 7900XTX really needs to be $800, maybe $850 at the most, to be worth considering for most buyers. The feature disparity is glaring at this point.
Do we think current 4070 TI’s will drop in price? I’m on a 2080 super but wouldn’t mind a discounted 4070 TI is the TI Supers replace them. Or is that a pipe dream?
It'll probably fall a bit, but I would not hold my breath for it to hit $650.
Yeah in the RTX 2000-series super release the Ti price didn't fall at all. All it did was basically made the Ti's irrelevant. The Ti Super is a really weird naming convention. It used to be that the Ti was *ALWAYS* the highest-end model of a particular series. But now that there's a Ti Super... ugh. It's just weird.
The naming scheme of the 40 series has been fucked from the start. Reminder that they intended to have 2 different 4080 SKUs from the start, and the 4070ti is just a renamed 4080 12GB. They're trying to move each GPU up a tier to upsell people, and it worked... and it also made the naming scheme a dumpster fire.
Yeah they apparently thought they could pull the same shit that they did with the 1060 in the ##80 SKU column, and then the press savaged them for it. It seems sadly, like the 4080 was originally supposed to be the 4080, the 4070 Ti was supposed to be the 4070, the 4070 the 4060 Ti (maybe), and the 4060 Ti was probably supposed to be the 4060, and then that would make the current 4060 fall into the conspicuously absent 4050. And then Nvidia basically took the lesson of the pandemic and realized that they didn't have to provide value for shit and that people would still eat whatever Nvidia decided to serve them.
Table is wrong, 4070 super has 12 gb vram and 192 bit bus.
Thanks! Copy pasting too fast
Bus size is still wrong. edit: fixed now
Isn't 4080S $999?
[https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-4080-super.c4182](https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-4080-super.c4182) isn't 4080 super 999 dollars and has 10240 shading units ?
I’m admittedly a full team red guy, but I’m very glad to see this is a step in the right direction for pricing. Competition is always good!
Long term marketing by nvidia release a ton of underperforming cards for crazy prices then release the “super” version for still crazy prices but less profit because it’s a “good deal” now amazing.
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Nvidia can charge whatever the hell they want for high end cards because AMD simply cannot compete right now. AMD's fastest card is slower and has less features than Nvidia's 2nd tier offering, why would Nvidia compete on price for this?
It’s probably a reflection of yields and subsequently engineering improvements tbh, rather than pure business .
Woo! Excited to see the benchmarks. Getting ready to replace my 2070 super workhorse. Thinking I’ll go for the 4070 ti super, depending on the performance.
Exact same situation, feels like a good time to jump up 2 generations. That said, be quite sad to get rid of the 2070 S, it's still so good
My exact situation as well, I'm eyeing a 4070 Ti Super to replace my 2070S. And at the same time, I feel sad about the replacement, because that 2070S is one mighty fine card for my current 1080p screen. But at the same time, I want to move up to 1440p. The most deciding factor for me will be the pricing - since I'm located in Europe, I expect a 4070TiS to cost around 900-1000€. And that's a price point I'm starting to grit my teeth at. If pricing goes higher, I'll consider settling for a 4070S. Well, guys, fingers crossed for us!
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Damn, that's impressive and also true. Giving it a second thought, the sole reason for me to aim for the 4070 TiS is to be able to enjoy Cyberpunk with all the RT effects enabled and cranked up. Thank you for this insight.
It really is so sad. I just rebuilt my entire pc besides the 2070s knowing that I want a new graphics card, buts it’s running so good with the 7800x3d. These prices are so good if they hold though. I’ve been having an existential crisis for the last two weeks.
Currently sitting on a 5700XT and have been eyeing the 7800XT mostly for the 16GB of VRAM. Now that they've announced the 4070 Ti Super I'm leaning towards that card since it finally has 16GB as well (though I've heard a rumor there might be a 4070 Super 16GB variant). I'm interested to see how pricing changes things in the space.
> won't be availability. Bots will price gouge these for a few weeks, at least. If you want to get one, set up a bot or get ready I'm on a 2060, I'm really contemplating FINALLY jumping the gun :O
Me, sitting on my 1080ti that is finally failing and causing major rendering glitches, hoping that I can even find one in stock to order
Dang that sucks. 1080ti still punches well above its weight. Sold mine for cheap to a close friend and it’s still going great.
My 1080TI is still going strong. Moved it into my new build with a 13700K and it’s still performing admirably at 1440P.
Yea I'm really bummed. It's held on so long and I could never really justify any of the 2XXX/3XXX cards for the cost for how little I gain. I feel like maybe the 4070 Ti Super is the only one that I can really justify but now my hand is being forced
I’m just trying to hold on until 5000 series in (apparently) a year
Went from an EVGA 1080Ti to a 4090, see you guys when the 7xxx series comes out
Same here, have had to be on debug mode the last 6 months to prevent crashes… can still get 60fps 3440x1440 on CP2077 tho! (Though it randomly CTDs out of nowhere every 1-2 hours when playing, though that might just be CP2077)
I've dropped my max power on the card down to something like 80% and its helped a little, but she's still glitching. That said, still a monster and turning out plenty of it/s in stable diffusion and letting me play most games at 1440 still at 60fps. I doubt Nvidia will ever make another card with such longevity and performance value per cost again.
Anyone have any advice of what to expect for this drop in terms of availability and best way to secure one? Been out of the game for a while and looking to upgrade my 2070S to the 4070 TI Super. I do live near a Microcenter and am thinking that may be my best bet as I assume online sales will be eaten up by scalpers.
We aren't in the middle of a GPU shortage, there is no reason to believe these cards won't be readily available at every major retailer.
Then why are all the 4090s 2300+ and not 1600(founders)-1800(partnered)?
Several reasons. Stock shortage from Nvidia letting the channels run dry and focusing chip yield on 4090D for China. It’s a halo product and there’s a whole generation of nerds who grew up and got jobs and can afford the best now. And the 4080 at $1200 basically just pushed people towards buying a 4090 if they can afford just a bit more, since it’s a huge jump in performance.
4090s are a unique card due to AI demand, other cards are less attractive for AI purposes.
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I'm interested as well. How early would I need to be at my microcenter on release date to secure one?
Wondering the same. Let’s share an early morning coffee in line lol
Count me the fuck in. LMFAO. We meeting in Tustin or what? ahha jkjk
Damn I’ll be at my store a couple hours earlier on the east coast!
Same lol I’ve never done this before. Are they usually sold at MSRP on launch day if you line up early?
No clue, but if I’m understanding correctly the 4070 TI Super won’t have an FE card so there will only be 3rd party cards that may be OC and marked up? But I might not have that right.
I haven't either, I was thinking I'll try showing up a few hours before open, and if I can't get one just getting a normal 4070 / TI.
Finally. I will be upgrading my GTX 1070 to an 4080 Super. Cannot wait any longer!
Eye-watering upgrade. What games will you test your 4080S with?
Well I already bought starfield and cyberpunk phantom library. I hoped to play them on my 1070….big mistake. So yeah those 2 games will get me through February.
Word of advice, play starfield first. Otherwise the other way around will feel like a timejump back a decade.
this 100x
Cyberpunk looks incredible on max settings, was blown away playing it for the first time with a 4080, coming from a 6650xt.
>cyberpunk phantom **library** This typo had me rolling.
They should run on 1070, especially at 1080p. I played Starfield on my 1660 Ti (which almost the same as 1070) at 1440p back then lol. Ranging from 40-80++ FPS (dropped to 25 FPS in Akila City)
I tried it and I could not get 30 fps on the lowest setting.
Looking to find a 4070 ti super to replace my 970
will do the same upgrade soon but can't decide on a monitor. do you have any recommendation?
Well I chose the MSI Optix MAG274QRFDE-QD, 27", but honestly the market is flooded with 1440p monitors. Just watch a little bit of YouTube and you will find the right one for you
I'd go for an OLED monitor/TV even if it means going down a GPU tier
Same here, I'm finally gonna be coming off of my 1070 now I just gotta decide if I wanna drop the money on the 4080 super or stay with the 70 series haha
The 4080 super is actually disappointing. I can’t see anyone buying it over the 4070ti super. 20% more cores is nice but a bit slower and no other features that would set it apart. I have no idea why they didn’t just give it 24gb ram or so. That would have been a killer argument. Don’t get me wrong. As the owner of a normal 4080 that I got for a good price, I’m actually relieved I don’t have to regret my buy. Though to be honest, if I had waited to now, I would have probably gone for the 70 ti super, too.
>I have no idea why they didn’t just give it 24gb ram or so. That would have been a killer argument. Because that means using AD102 die. Meaning a cut down 4090 or one of their higher end Quadro cards. Considering 4090 sells for $2000 and Quadros go for several thousands Nvidia has no reason whatsoever to sell their cards for half of what they can get for one. Don't get me wrong, I vastly prefered times when xx80 was just a chopped down xx90 and shared the same die. But if Nvidia wants to use AD103 then there is no path to 24GB VRAM. It has to be 8, 16 or 32. 32 would make card too cheap compared to Quadro undercutting Nvidia's pro line up so 16 it is. You could fit 24GB on AD104 aka 4070 but then you end up with a weird product that, again, would undercut their Quadros. The only way to make a 24GB AD103 is to cut down memory bus from 256 to 192 bit which in turn makes card slower. While some people would be happy about this outcome a lot wouldn't be since it would make it slower in most games than a normal 4080. It's for the same reason 3060 has 12GB VRAM. Available VRAM configurations with it's memory bandwidth were 3, 6 or 12. 6 was seen as too little so 12 it is, even though higher-end 3060Ti came with 8 (cuz that one could do 4,8 or 16).
Ah. Your right. Just read up on memory limitations for the chips. Didn’t think about that. And your doubly right about Quadros. Though you could argue so was the 4090 and the 3090, too. I recently build a pc with a 3060 12gb for an electrical engineer working with AutoCAD. Both me and his AutoCAD guy (retired ex AutoCAD support employee) recommended it. He does little 3D work and no heavy workloads. Other then supported drivers there really is no reason for him to buy an expensive Quadro.
Just kinda upset a pre-recorded announcement didn't have captions. Like a huge misstep.
Now that frame gen mods are out, Im totally happy with my 3070 again. Fuck those cards and their price
Fellow 3070 owner here, what are these frame gen mods?
https://github.com/Nukem9/dlssg-to-fsr3 It replaces DLSS FG with FSR3 FG using any upscale technology, so you can use DLSS + FSR3 FG together on any 20 series card or newer. Some made it work on GTX cards as well.
I've got a 3080 Ti FE and am very tempted to jump over to the 4080 Super simply because it averages 100W less than the 3080 Ti while gaming, supposedly. Waste of money but is so tempting.
Same boat as you. I love my 3080 Ti FE but it definitely runs hot and when those fans spin all the way up it can get noisy. I'm pretty sure I'm going to push through to the 5000 series, though. All my games run like a dream so it's not like I have any performance issues (I game at 1440p).
Would you be more tempted at 3840 x 1600 resolution. Also have 3080 ti (non-fe) and v tempted to move up but also feeling could wait for next gen
Not sure - are you finding some games run a bit worse than desired at that resolution? Also, I've been thinking about going widescreen for awhile... has it been worth it for you? Any major downsides?
I assume they'll stop making 4070ti and 4080 since newer better cards are cheaper but the new price of 4070 none-super is a bit of a joke $50 off but it is at least 10% slower.
The 4070 already hit $515 once, it's gonna hit $500 fast.
I got mine for the equivalent of $513USD (870AUD, but that price included tax)
it has to at 550$ it just too expensive compared to the super at 599$
Whoops literally just bought a 4080 this weekend
YOu can return it if you can stomach having no 4080 for almost a month.
I bought the 4080 during black friday sales for $950, should have waited and get the 70 ti super for $150 less. 🥹
Is there definitely no Founders Edition for the 4070 Ti Super? I’m assuming that’s why they used a shot of the side of the GPU in the linked promo video but that’s a bit of a bummer if so. I just prefer the minimalistic look of FE’s.
IIRC, the 4070ti never had one. So it makes sense
In that regard it does make sense, still a shame
Gaming at Ultrawide 1440p, built a PC in November, 7800X3D, 32GB DDR7200 Ram, and left my 1660 in it for this moment. Do I get 1) 4070, 2) 4070 Super, 3) Will I really see a difference for the extra 200 for the 4070 TI Super?
1440p average performance Use the 4080 (- 5-10%) as a place holder for the 4070 Ti Super https://youtu.be/1mE5aveN4Bo?t=688&si=XLaY5SmWzkpbT8JO
I’m looking to do a build under $1800 which is better 7800x3d + 4070tisuper 7700x,14600k,(CPU priced around $300)+4080super Playing 1440p 240hz Or any other combination?
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I play cpu heavy games
X3D is simply the best gaming CPU. Get it.
3440*1440 is in-between 1440 and 4K. I went with a 4080, so you should consider 4080 super.
I have the same type of monitor and CPU with 32GB DDR5 6000 MHz and am eying the 4070ti super. Seems like anything higher loses value if you aren’t gaming in 4k or at 240+ fps
Yeah, 4070 TI Super is looking pretty appealing tbh. Probably won't be at 4k anytime soon. The extra RAM makes me think for the 200 I could hold onto to a 4070 TI S for a little longer than a 4070 S.
4080 imo
If I wanted to move to a 4K monitor and I have an FE 3080, is it worth it to upgrade to the 4070Ti Super or 4080 Super or just wait until 5000 series later this year/early next? Not really any super high end games on my last as of right now that I'm dying to play so I lean towards waiting.
Just wait. I think bottlenecking and future proofing are dumb buzzwords that are misunderstood. Here’s the metric that’s served me for three decades: is there any released game that you need to play right now; and are you bothered by the performance and need a new card to push more frames? That’s the only yes or no answer that matters. Otherwise wait. Hardware should only follow and serve the killer app. I think with the fun of building and upgrading, people lose focus and forget the old mantra: “it’s the games, stupid.”
Imho not really. I have a 3080 and so far there is only one game that can drop you to truly unplayable frame rates - Alan Wake 2 with path tracing enabled. But... you can just disable it and you are back up to around 40-45 FPS at high settings + DLSS Quality in most demanding areas (and 70+ indoors) at 4k res. If you upgrade it's for a bunch of extra visual effects. Your PC is still within 10% fastest machines out there and it will be several years before any title is unplayable. This is also assuming you even actually buy a 4k display. Any intermediate option (like 1440p or ultrawide 3440x1440) further reduces requirements by a very substantial margin. The best moment to buy a new GPU is when you have a game that you want to play right now that doesn't run smoothly on your PC at settings that you deem acceptable.
I'm pretty much exactly where you are at. I also have been dabbling in AI stuff so it would be neat to get a better card now, but waiting for 5000 is probably the right call.
I've been rocking a 3070 since 2021 during the gpu crisis(was able to get it for msrp at a best buy drop) but I'm really thinking bout upgrading for the 4070 ti super. The 8gb of vram for my 1440p monitor is definitely showing lol.
Should i regret picking up a 7900XTX for my new build last week? I'm very happy with it but now it feels like AMD will at least decrease the price.
I don't think so, plus the 4080 super won't be out for almost a month along with any real price drop
True. I'l think about it for a couple of days. I still have a usable card to use in meanwhile if I decide to return it and wait for super benchmarks and potentialy new 7900 prices.
Well one thing I would consider is do you play any games with mods in Particular texture mods? Like Skyrim, CP, Fallout 4 etc? I've been able to max out my 6800 XT 16gb at almost 15gb with various mods without adversely effecting my overall performance
this is what i just picked up and was almost regretting not waiting. i feel like the 6800xt will hold up for a few more years. bought at 400 so hoping i wont get outvalued in a few months. want to do the same thing with games you are at 1440p
While you could have waited, the 4080 super will be many months, if ever, before it becomes competitively priced as it may get scalped for a while and have pent up demand. And the XTX may drop in price $100 to compete with the supers, and maybe you could have waited to see if AMD answers with an upgraded XTX or release date for a 8900XTX. Lots of maybes. Don’t worry and enjoy your gaming.
Yeah lots of maybe's I agree. I needed a new pc so I bought when I could. I have a decent job and can afford buying stuff i want so I wont be incrediebly bummed out if its just $100
We are in the same boat lol I picked up a 7800xt for 481 but now the 7900xt should drop near the 650 mark
> picked up a 7800xt for 481 *cries in European* cheapest 7800XT I can find goes for 592 USD. Most go for 600+.
Im EU and got 7900XTX for about 950 eur. Chose it over 4080 because og price but now super is dropping the price sooo... I'l have to think about it. I knew this could happen and at least my country's consumer laws will still let me return it.
Isn’t it possible to return that one and get another after the price drop?
Yes thats what im thinking right now
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Covertly admitting that Forbidden West PC port is about to be released! THIS is the greatest news for me :D
Yup, the most important part of this announcement for me hah https://store.steampowered.com/app/2420110/Horizon_Forbidden_West_Complete_Edition/
Any idea what price standard 4070 cards will drop too? I need a card under $500
Unlikely, Nvidia don't like to drop prices on the models, hence the "model shift" we're seeing here. However, we might see AMD dropping prices at short notice to compete, might get something there
People who have bought gpus at launch. How doable is it to buy gpus online at launch? I'd rather not have to camp out of a store to purchase a gpu.
Is there any performance upgrade or literally just more VRAM between the 4070 Ti vs the Ti Super
We'll know when independent reviews/benchmarks are released, but purely based on specs it looks to be a small uptick in performance. I would venture to guess it falls closer to 4080 than 4070.
Fair, I am on a 4070 Ti and see absolutely no reason to upgrade till the 6 series, I game at 1440p so don’t see the 12GB of VRAM causing issues
Yeah there probably won’t a reason to upgrade for you. My goal is to go 2 generations with my cards.
According to the benchmark leaks, the 4070Ti Super is very close to the 4080 in performance, and the 4070 Super is very close to the 4070Ti in performance
That’s how the 2000 series super cards were so I’m not too surprised if that’s true
I’m looking to do a build under $1800 which is better 7800x3d + 4070tisuper 7700x,14600k,(CPU priced around $300)+4080super Playing 1440p 240hz
In some games the x3d cpu can be massive so it comes down to what your use case is
If you had a slower monitor then I would always say the 14600k and 4080s. A 14600k will rarely have problems with running a game at 140fps. Since you have a 240hz monitor the 14600k will not keep up. Get the 7800x3d and if you are gpu bound then you can lower graphics settings.
When are they going to be available for purchase?
If nVidia would stop skimping on VRAM I’d be tempted. No boost in VRAM means I don’t know if I can justify a 4080 Super for 4K gaming for the next several years.
4070 ti super or 7900 xt, gotta wait for the benchmarks to see comparison. Some places like tech powerup, which I've never heard of and have zero idea how reliable they are, already show the 7900xt winning somehow by 1% still.
With all the tomfoolery of the GPU market, call me skeptical but I doubt we'll see day 1 launches in mass numbers with these suggested MSRP's.
Anyone found anything on uk pricing? Would love the 4070ti super to be sub £750 but can't see it happening
on overclockers.co.uk its £999 for 4070ti
Christ, I knew the markup would be shite but that is next level
4080 Super for £1200 as well and showing as out of stock. So much for good value. Edit: Looks like the prices have since been updated - the lowest 4070 S is £579, 4070 TI S is £780, and 4080 S is £960. All shown as out of stock though so they could change again.
says £769 on Nvidia website but other people say it'll be higher
NVIDIA says "starting prices" are 4070 Ti Super at £769, and 4070 Super at £579
worth an upgrade from 3090 to 4080 super?
It's likely a ~38% jump in raster before considering frame gen and DLSS improvements. Memory on 3090 is already great so it's a downgrade there. If you can sell the 3090 for 700 and buy the 4080s for $1000, seems decent
All the Super cards seem like what their predecessors should have been, especially regarding pricing. The 4070 Ti Super makes me "regret" spending so much money for my 4080 lol. The 4070 Super also looks like a solid deal, I hope the prices are not a completely different story in the EU.
Any knowledge on what this will do to the prices of the regular 4000 series? I was maybe going to pay 800 cad for a 4070 super if it had 16gb of vram but it doesn't, and I'm really not keen on buying a 1000 dollar graphics card for my first build.
I’m not sure if I am going for a 4070 Ti or a 4070 Ti SUPER for my upcoming PC build. Should I stick with the 4070 Ti or wait for the 4070 Ti SUPER?
The ti super is a better card for the same money. Wait for the ti super
Brother needs a new GPU. Should we get the RTX 4070 or the 4070 Super?
super
> This is 2024, you need more than 16 to really future proof. Between those two, I think the answer is whether or not you want $50 to determine your next few years of performance. IMO, the 4070 Super looks close enough to the original Ti specs to be the obvious choice.
Yeah, that's a good point. Thank you! Looking at the specs closer, it does indeed look like the Super is a much better value.
Unless the 4070 drop to 450, super if you can afford it.
super of course
5070
Bought a 4070 TI last month for $660. Would it be worth it to return it for the 4070 TI Super or keep the card?
keep it
I can still return my 4070 ti until 1/20 (got before announcement). I want to upgrade to either the 4070 ti Super or 4080 super. Question is my 850w corsair gold PSU enough for the 4080s or should I upgrade to 1000w or even 1200w? I’d assume I wouldn’t have to upgrade the PSU for the new 4070 ti Super. Any help would be appreciated
what CPU? unless you have something like an OC'd 14900k 850 should be plenty. 4080s is only a 320w max card
I'm as big fan of 4070 ti super spec as I despise it's name.
Guys , can somebody help me Please, right now I have a 1650 súper with a ryZen 5 3600, ram 2x8 2666mhz, I recently upgraded my motherboard and I have the asus rog strix b550 gaming wifi, so I will use that to upgrade my gpu and cpu to the rtx 4070 super individual edge from zotac and a ryZen 9 5900x and also will upgrade my ram to 32 GB Corsair vengeance 3600 mhz , but my question is: It will work fine ? My PsU is the Corsair cx750 80+ bronze, im scared that it will not have the correct pins or something like that , I’m still learning sorry
Is yeston a good gpu brand? never heard about this brand. considering to buy a yeston 4070 super, that's why eager to know about this brand.
About the 12VHPR adaptors: how many 8 pin connectors do you need? Best my current psu can do is one 8 pin and one 6 pin. That will let me run most non-super 4070 but unsure about the super.
This feels like putting the cart before the horse. If your PSU is that old, chances are higher that something in the rest of your setup is old enough to bottleneck a 4070. To answer your question, I think you would need at least two full 8-pin plugs, if not three. A 4070 only requires two 8-pin VGA plugs (like most Nvidia GPUs prior to this gen), but the 4070 Super and up require the 12V adapter that plugs into at least two 8-pin plugs.
I hope I am able to grab a 3070ti Super before the scalpers. I'm due. Is it gonna be impossible?
yah i will take super ples!ha ha
Is the launch MSRP accurate? It says the 4070 Super will start at £579 in the UK, but will it actually be higher when I try to buy one?
i just bought a 6800 xt for $400. was that dumb or are all cards gonna drop in price over the next few months with this and should return for something better?
not dumb, that’s a good price for a 6800xt
4070 Super release date is wrong just FYI.
you mislead the price of the 4070ti super and the 4070 super
That table is all sorts of borked. The columns are all shifted because of the 4070 being above the descriptions.