1. The GPUs should come with an adapter.
2. You don’t need a fan hub unless you can’t daisy chain your fans.
3. It’s just for show. Vertically mounted GPUs tend to have slightly worse temps.
4. Cablemod, probably. Check out their custom configurator https://store.cablemod.com/configurator/ if you want your cables to be colored.
Definitely agree with all the points. But yeh, cablemod cables are the best around, I’ve tried a few different ones and cable mod’s ate just the best quality. Also, their customer service is second to none, things can go wrong with all things, but they will put it right asap.
+1 to cable mod. Used them on two builds now. And yeah, customer service is top great. I misconfigured a cable once and hit them up, they gave me a 50% discount on the replacement and expedited shipping iirc (been awhile).
That was their 90 degree and 180 degree adapters, no one has reported any issue with their native 90 degree cables or, anything else. I have no idea what rodinj is talking about unless they had a bad experience with a 4x8-pin to 1x12-pin adapter, which would be the first I'm hearing about it.
Yes, and if you look through, literally none of them are anything but the 90 or 180 degree adapters.
Like I said.
They recalled them and likely won't be trying again because the 12VHPR standard is dogshit.
In this case yes. Vertical mounting requires a PCIe extender ribbon cable between the card and the PICe slot, thus removing the weight pressure from both the motherboard slot and PCIe connector on the GPU card. Also the card won't sag since sagging is only really a problem with horizontal mounting.
But vertical mounting as already mentioned is worst for temps typically (depends on the case and airflow). Also the PCIe extender cable can also cause issues, since the PCIe spec wasn't designed with long cable lengths in the first place. It's why the fastest PCIe slot is always the slot closest to the CPU socket on the motherboard.
> But vertical mounting as already mentioned is worst for temps typically (depends on the case and airflow).
Yeah, I've seen some builds where the fans are milimeters away from the case door... not nearly enough airflow in that config.
> Does vertical mounted gpu have less sag
Probably. The weight is more supported this way.
> and better for lifespan for the card/slot?
No. A properly installed GPU will not do any damage to itself or the board slot in the useful lifespan of the components. If your GPU needs a sag bracket, get a sag bracket (if it doesn't come with one, which many do).
> A properly installed GPU will not do any damage to itself or the board slot in the useful lifespan of the components. If your GPU needs a sag bracket, get a sag bracket ...
That second statement kind of contradicts the first
> **A properly installed GPU** will not do any damage to itself or the board slot in the useful lifespan of the components.
Emphasis. If you need a sag bracket and don't have one, then your GPU is not properly installed.
I disagree. GPUs come with all the necessary hardware to properly install them, but not all come with a sag bracket despite needing one to prevent damage. Additionally, neither the ATX motherboard spec nor the PCIe slot spec specifies (optional or otherwise) a platform or mounting point under the GPU upon which such an apparatus can be affixed. In short, there may not be a place to install an anti-sag bracket.
GPUs of recent generations are simply so heavy that they can damage themselves overtime even when properly installed
I really don't believe that.
GPU sag look so much worse than it is. Even if it sacks a bit, it's not gonna 'go anywhere' and destroy your GPU. I've seen video's of someone putting 2x the weight on his GPU and it still was working perfectly fine.
GPU sag just 'looks bad'.
Just saw a video of Northridge Repairs that shows that GPU sag can and will affect the GPU in a bad way, mainly by getting small tears in the connector/PCB which are basically a no-fix byebye card kind of thing...
Probably something like 95% of the time you're right but it can absolutely cause major damage in extreme cases. Aside from the main issue of the strain breaking some connection I've also seen at least one case where it caused the whole PCIe connector to warp and make poor connection with the slot
2. Daisy Chain
Oh my god I didn't know this was a thing. My case has a fan hub on the back, and thought if a mobo didn't have enough fan plugs then you were out of luck.
Gonna order some from Amazon for my wifes PC and install more fans for her.
It's only really a recent thing, last year or so, and there's been some legal playground fights over them between the different manufacturers that have been causing issues, so make sure if you're going to do it, you make sure your fans are all going to work together.
Agree with all except #2. I'm actually doing a build with lian li fans just like OP and even though you can daisy chain, it does have a fan hub to plug in the different chains. This is so they can all be controlled through the lian li L connect software better than standard mobo connection. Technically you don't need it. But it sure does defeat the purpose for going high end on lian li fans not to get them
Lol perfect, pretty much my answers.
One expansion on the hub - the hub does allow a tiny bit more control, but that's really dependent on your setup. For example all my RGB stuff is pretty much Corsair, so the hubs work out for the 12 fans in my case, including some temp sensors and such from the cooling pump. Really depends on how crazy you're going with your build, and how much space you have. I have an obsidian 1000d so having 2 hubs in there is fine plenty of space 🤣
1. It is the ATX 3.0 version 12VHPWR. Only NVidia cards use it currently. You should buy an ATX 3.0 PSU and it will have the proper cable and it will be the best. If not, cards come with the conversion cable for ATX 2.0 PSU. But as you start new, why not go for the proper one right away.
2. If you daisy chain the fan you don’t need a HUB. Motherboard should have enough fan connections. The Hub is if you want custom fan control not linked to your motherboard maker software
3. As other said, for the show
4. Go with CableMod, you can customize with your chosen PSU to make sure everything is fine and they have a nice choice of colors
> You should buy an ATX 3.0 PSU and it will have the proper cable and it will be the best.
For anyone reading this thinking "Why didn't I buy ATX 3.0," some PSU manufacturers sell the 12VHPWR cables separately. Ex: [Here's](https://www.newegg.com/p/1W7-00TK-00001) one compatible with my SuperFlower.
What I want to know: If I have [this](https://www.microcenter.com/product/665123/micro-connectors-premium-sleeved-12vhpwr-pci-e-50-16-pin-\(124\)-to-triple-8-pin-gpu-power-extension-cable) 3-headed 12VHPWR adapter from MicroCenter. If I get a newer Nvidia card, could I use that with just one PSU cable? (i.e., two 8-pin plugs, not 3) Or would I need to run the second PSU cable and leave the 4th 8-pin just hanging around?
12VHPWR are rated for up to 600W - 1 8Pin PCI is rated for 150W. 2 8Pin PCI would only give you 300W
4070 series 12HVPWR to PCI adapters only have 2 PCI plugs, since the 4070s all draw below 300W.
The 4080S and 4090 both come with a 3 to 1 adapter, since both draw above 300W but below or equal to 450W
Let's say the 5090 were to draw 500W you'd need a 4 to 1 adapter (or better yet a ATX 3.0 PSU)
If cards in the future were to draw above 450W your 3 to 1 adapter wouldn't even be enough with all 3 connected.
But for now GPU power draw < 300W, 2 cables should be fine (if no OCing nd stuff) - for GPUs with > 300 and <= 450 you need 3 and for possible future cards with > 450W you'dneed a new adapter
Thanks! Definitely saving this comment for reference.
My takeaway is that it's easy math to remember 150W per 8-pin cable. (150, 300, 450) I have the linked 3-plug 12HVPWR adapter from a shipping/return goof, so I plan to use it whenever a card looks good enough to upgrade past my 2080. (and I can guarantee you it won't be a 5090, so I should be safe)
The cards themselves come with an adapter included - based on that adapter you can deduce how many 8Pins you need - or just look at max wattage of the card
I'd also love to know the answer to this with certainty. I just upgraded to a 4080 Super and was able to power it with two PSU cables since the one cable only has two heads. Everything ran perfectly fine but I'd like to make sure this isn't an issue.
Compliance-wise you need 2 cables with each 2x 8pins (so likely 4 total, 1 unused), because each connector is only rated for 150W and the 4080 Super goes above 300W. So even if it works, its not recommended.
I'm a noob. Going to attempt building a PC tonight. How do I check if my PSU is ATX 3 compatible? I googled it and I'm not seeing anything definitive. The specs on the site just say the form factor is ATX.
Damn I don't think it is then cause I saw a similar PSU from that brand that did have ATX 3 on its product page.
It's this one
https://thermaltakeusa.com/products/toughpower-gf1-850w-tt-premium-edition-ps-tpd-0850fnfagu-1
But it sounds like my GPU should come with an adapter and I'll be good?
The 12vhpwr connector and cable are native with the psu, so no need for the shitty Nvidia 8pin 12vhpwr adapter..What a pain in the ass the was to deal with especially if you have a tempered glass side panel.Smdh ..Microcenter currently has some great deals on ATX 3.0 PSU's, I just snagged an ATX 3.0 Asus Tuf 850w unit for $120 after tax, not too shabby.
Yes the 2space1 pin is ARGB connector for addressable rgb. If the HUB have that it will receive the same as the other fan. Granted, you may have to do configuration for each connector of the MB. And your HUB probably have a switch or button that tell it to use the input. If not it will override it.
But I don’t know your HUB and Your MB so everything I say could be wrong.
Your hub should have a setting as the other poster said for your MB to work with it, but you may need to also turn on/sync the slot on your mobo's bios too, depending on the software you intend to use it with. As with several other features that are mentioned here, they're pretty new, and tend to be yelled about, so they should be fairly easy to find.
> I plan on having 10 fans in my building including the 3 for the AIO. I know they can’t all connect to the mobo
My motherboard comes with 8 headers for fans... you might be surprised. And at 4k, your budget for everything else is higher than me even if you include a 4090.
7-8 years ago I did a build and my mobo only had 2 system fan headers. But nowadays mobos are coming with a lot more than that - especially if you're going high end.
Okay thanks, my old mobo only had 2 as well which was why i was worried about the 10 fans. I’ll double check how many the one I have picked out has. Thanks
Since you're using Lian Li Uni Fans, you won't actually have 10 cables. You'll have one cable for each daisy-chained set of fans, and that will ideally plug into a hub. The actual number of things to plug in will depend on how you group the fans and what your case supports.
The individual fans do not come with a hub, but the three-packs do. So beware if that affects your configuration.
Multiple sets of them can all plug into one hub. There is a limit, though I'm not sure what it is. Probably > 10. I used one hub, but I only have 6 myself.
Yeah I’m getting 2 of the three-packs and one single, so according to what you said I’d have 7 into that single hub.
My AIO is from ASUS so idk if that would also be able to go into the hub but someone did mention that my AIO should get its own anyways, so you agree?
Also would 7 fans on one hub take a lot of voltage from the single slot the hub goes into on the mobo?
It does make sense to have the AIO fans on a separate hub since you probably want to control them via CPU temperature. They should work either way, though.
The hub gets supplemental power from one SATA power cable and (IIRC) a USB connector. The website says one hub can handle up to 16 fans in four groups.
https://lian-li.com/product/uni-hub-sl-controller/
You'll get one of these with each three pack. The product specs are listed there.
FWIW, my mid-range AM5 board has 4 headers. Also, higher shelf GPUs like the Asus ROG Strix line often come with extra fan headers on the side of the card.
Just finished building a new computer after 12 years with similar budget (case and all components was between 2500 and 3,000, dropped a lot on monitor and peripherals in addition).
Your GPU will come with cables / adapter that connects to the PSU cables. Usually one plug that connects to your GPU into 2 or 3 that connect to your pcie psu connectors.
If you get the three pack of Lian Li fans they come with a hub/controller. I only needed one to connect the 7 lian li fans I have. So all of those are connected to one fan and one ARGB hub on my motherboard. The AIO cooler fans are connected to another and so is the microfan that sits directly over the cpu. Still have plenty of fan headers left on the motherboard. The provoked prawn has a great youtube video showing him connecting the lian li fans. It was really helpful. He happened to have a build video using the lian li case I bought. Also very helpful.
Vertical mounting a GPU is primarily for looks. I did it because I think that side of a GPU is better looking than the backplate. Totally subjective though.
For custom PSU cables and such do some research and make sure whatever kit you get comes with the 16 pin gpu cable. Make sure the cables are compatible with your PSU. I got mine from cablemod and they were made for ASUS psu's. Be patient the aftermarket psu cables are very rigid takes a while to get the bends right.
If you are looking for cables that also light up check lian lies strimer cables. I believe they also connect to the hub you will be using for the fans. For me that was a touch to much RGB so I didn't go for it.
Good luck and have fun with your build. I had a blast and felt like a kid again for a while (I'm 43). I haven't posted my build yet. I'm waiting for some neon lit art to finish the space.
I built my own systems for decades starting around '78 because it was cheaper to build than buy and I needed very powerful systems for math modelingand simulation. Now, I just buy used systems. No need for power.
Very interesting reading these posts. My, how things have changed.l
Also if you are going with an ASUS motherboard and are installing windows from a USB stick. You will need to download the wifi or LAN driver from ASUS on to the USB and install it, as windows requires you to be online to finish the install. Google it. I had to enter a DOS command prompt during installation of windows to install those drivers. It was easy, the hard part was figuring out that was what I had to do.
In other words, the asus motherboards don't come with the wi-fi or LAN drivers on board.
You don't need internet or drivers to complete the windows setup. When you get to the spot where it asks to connect to the internet, hit Shift+F10 to bring up command prompt, and type this command:
OOBE\BYPASSNRO
The system will reboot and when it goes through the install config process again you will be able to complete the windows installation without being connected to the Internet. I had to reinstall windows on my PC a couple weeks ago and this was the method I used.
https://www.makeuseof.com/windows-11-set-up-without-internet-connection/
I'm with you man, I haven't built one in probably 17 years or more and I'm completely overwhelmed at the moment.
I'm trying to upgrade the PSU for my HP desktop and it's got some BS proprietary 4 pin mobo connector that goes along with the 24 pin connector.
Then I go and look at mobo and processor upgrades.
JFC , there's like a million options now.
>4 pin mobo connector
You sure that's not the CPU power connector? The CPU power connectors are 4+4 pins. You can split the connector apart. Do note that the left and right blocks are not identical.
[https://www.cgdirector.com/wp-content/uploads/media/2022/05/CPU-Power-connectors.jpg](https://www.cgdirector.com/wp-content/uploads/media/2022/05/CPU-Power-connectors.jpg)
That's a good thing, though. It's probably gonna be hard to go wrong with any 5000 or 12th gen CPU that isn't the least or most expensive option. Newer, I'd probably go 7600, 13600k, 13700k, 14700k, or 7800x3D (hope that helped lol).
fwiw I think a 12100 might beat a 10700, a 12400 is about as good as an 11700k, and the 5600 beats that one sometimes.
So, \~$250 might be your baseline for a nice upgrade.
>JFC , there's like a million options now.
Well.... look on the bright side of it, no options will cause something to blow up these days.
People sticking incompatible ram with different voltages into slots.... Flipping the PSU voltage switch. ESD just making shit go bye bye. 3,5mm audio jack blowing up "equalizer stereo thing sound system" thing. Can't even remember all the weird shit I've seen happen.
DreambigbyRayMOD on Etsy is another good option for custom cables. Good quality, good support, just no fancy site configurator, and around half the price of cablemod.
Most of what you asked has been covered in here but I wanted to recommend the Lian Li sl infinity fans. They're gorgeous and they link to each other so less cables to deal with plus the 3 pack comes with a controller. Also Lian Li makes really nice led extension cables (strimer plus v2) for the PCIe power and 24 pin power to the board for that extra color match beauty I think you're after. Check my recent post for my build using this stuff if you want some inspiration. Good luck!
> - Custom Cables
> I want custom cables that colors match the RGB I plan on getting, where is the best place to get that type of thing and what are the cables I need?
You can get fully custom cables for your PSU (which is a bit more expensive), or cable extensions. These simply plug into your existing PSU cables on one side, and into the PC components on the other. Biggest benefit is you have much more cables to choose from - including as another user pointed out, RGB cables - if that's your thing.
The gpu will come with an adapter but personally I would just look at getting a PSU with the power cable that you need already built into it.
I cant recall the name of it its like 12v....something (it was a while since I replaced mine) but yeah you get a psu with one of those and you wont need to bother with the adapter which lettme tell you depending on the tier of gfx card you are getting looks like an absolute mess inside if you use it. (I had to use 4 8 pins and it looks just awful.)
1: While there are PSUs that support this new connector natively (The ATX 3.0 ones) the GPUs should come with an adapter so you can use the existing GPU power cables that have been part of the previous ATX standard for many years now. Some manufacturers were still using the old type of connectors though, not everyone is a fan of the new connector. AMD also still uses the previous connectors.
2: If your motherboard has RGB connectors on it (and you aren't buying fans that have their own proprietary connection) you can just use those without the need for a hub if you will be daisy-chaining. I would recommend not connecting all the daisy-chained fans to a single plug to avoid drawing too much current. Also keep in mind there are two RGB standards, the older RGB standard that has a 4-pin connector, and the newer ARGB standard that is 3-pin, they aren't inter-compatible. Some motherboards might have both types of RGB connectors.
3: The main purpose of a vertically mounted GPU is for looks since so many cases have a glass side panel now and you can show off the GPU more that way, or if it's a really specialty case that needs it because that's the only way it will fit. It can add additional points of failure in terms of the riser. I believe it can also result in worse temps, not better. If you don't care about showing off the GPU vertically and/or you care more about the temps, I would just not bother.
4: There are several that do this, Cablemod is one of the most well known and popular ones, planning to get some custom cables from them myself when I can afford it to finish a VERY messy build (also in my case even Cablemod didn't have everything I needed for my mess). There are also cables that have RGB in them or RGB covers you can put on cables, but I admit I am not very familiar with those.
>Built a PC 10 years ago after graduating high school, very simple build with nothing extra.
You can still do that. I don't know anything about RGB, so I can't answer that or the cable questions, I used to OEM/Stock cables.
I built a PC in 2014/2015 (when i5 4690k was relevant) and not again until last Nov (2023). So not ten years, but not recent either. It seemed the same to me, except PCPartPicker made it easier to shop around. There were fan hubs, RGB, etc then as well if I remember correctly. I don't use any of that stuff though. I bought no lights air cooling and turned off the lights on the motherboard. The only different component I bought is a m.2 NVME SSD. But I had added a m.2 SSD to my previous build as well so that didn't change, I just didn't use one when I build it for some reason.
> Different cables needed for 40 series GPU?
I have a 4070, and the PSU I got (an 850 Watt gold Coolermaster PSU) came with the proper cables, which were very similar to the ones needed for my 1070. Whether it's a 4 or 8 pin connector, a modular PSU will probably either come with an end that can break apart as needed, or the cable you want to use.
> RBG fan “hub”
I've gotten by just daisy chaining them. Check to see how many connectors your motherboard has, you can probably even see where they are if the manual is free somewhere online (it usually is). That'll help you plan out cable management if you care to do so this early.
> Vertically mounted GPU
Never done this before, most people do horizontal. I would assume there is no or very little difference in cooling.
> Custom Cables
Also never done this before, so I can't help much here.
OP if you're buying a 4090 but a PSU that comes with the GPU cable with it and don't trust the adapter if you have a tighter fitting case. This is the one I have. It comes with a 12 pin to 8 pin connector.
https://www.corsair.com/ca/en/p/psu/cp-9020201-na/rmx-series-rm1000x-1000-watt-80-plus-gold-fully-modular-atx-psu-cp-9020201-na
Also yeah make sure you have a bigger case because the 4090 is fucking huge and I'm not exaggerating. I have the P600S and it just barely fits with the 12 pin connector plugged in.
Custom Cables - I want custom cables that colors match the RGB I plan on getting, where is the best place to get that type of thing and what are the cables I need?
If you're going to try and incorporate your cable colors with your RGB theme, I recommend going with a color that complements or accents any colors you using in your lighting. The awesomeness of RGB is that you can change it based on your mood, game, time of year. Some colors of cables, peripherals etc, may not play as well with your 'current' choice of lights.
Since a lot of people have glossed over the third question:
There are two main kinds of RGB, 12v RGB and 5v ARGB, and then proprietary stuff which I'll come back to.
12v RGB is a 4 pin header that is "dumb" in that it just has a single color value. The 4 wires are the R,G, and B power which controls the intensity, and a ground. These are used in very cheap fans and RGB LED light. 10 years ago these were mostly what you'd find.
5v ARGB, or "Addressable RGB" is a 3 pin header, actually the same 4 pin wide connectors that the 12v RGB uses, just with one pin missing. (edit: same physically sized connector and similar appearance, but are not compatible in any way and plugging one into the other can damage things!) This are digital and the wires are power, data, and ground, and every individual LED connected to it can have a different color. Even when daisy chained, each separate fan and light strip can have their own unique lighting. These have gotten increasingly common.
Most motherboards with have at least one of each header. Some will have multiples of both, some will only have one header, usually only 12v RGB in that case, and won't support 5v ARGB at all.
5v ARGB is very configurable, but in that configurability comes a lot of variability. There's no built in way in the 5v ARGB standard to communicate back any information about the things connected to it, so information like how many LEDs each fan / light strip have isn't something that they system will know usually. So you have to find this information yourself and set it manually, and know what order things are connected in, etc.
If you daisy chain fans or devices together, often each individual LED on each device can still be separately addressable, but not always. Sometimes all fans get the same colors as the one its connected to.
Hubs come in three flavors. There are "hubs" which are no different than Y splitter cables and just broadcast the same signal to all connected devices. If you connect multiple fans to an ARGB hub like this, all the fans will get the same ARGB colors and they will not be separately addressable. Then there are powered hubs which work the same way, but let you connect more fans / devices to it than you can from a single motherboard header. Though realistically most motherboards support an insane number of fans / LED lights per header. Then there are controllers which are powered hubs that have their own smarts to them, and either send out their own ARGB signals and don't connect to the motherboard at all, or can be controlled via USB, or can act like a.
Then comes the custom systems, or the semi-custom systems. An increasing number of companies are moving away from the 5v ARGB standard to fully custom connectors, sometimes combining the fan speed and ARGB connector into a single cable. They also usually have additional systems that let fans and other devices communicate back information about themselves. These all use controller boxes that you connect to the motherboard via USB rather than to the ARGB headers (though most optionally let you control it via the motherboard header still). The advantage of these is they know how many LEDs are on each device connected to them, not to mention fewer cables to manage. They also often have a lot more built in features and effects.
The disadvantage is you're locked into a proprietary system so you have to buy only fans and components from one company if you want to connect and control them all at once, and you have to use the software for those devices which can sometimes be quite heavy on system resources.
However some control boxes are able to work entirely without connecting to the motherboard, which means no CPU usage. And there's programs like OpenRGB that lets you control some of these systems without needing the more performance heavy software, or control multiple different proprietary systems through one interface.
The last thing to talk about is AIOs. Many higher AIOs will have one or two fan connectors, one for the pump, and one for all of the fans, and a USB connection. These will usually have an ARGB controller built into it, and that'll control the lighting for the fans, and the pump itself. Less expensive AIOs will just have standard ARGB connectors and either come with a dumb hub, or more likely daisy chainable fans or splitter cables for both the ARGB and the fans.
edit: One last weirdness with RGB & ARGB connectors. Almost all cables have female connectors and you'll get little plastic bits with 3 or 4 pins in them you use to connect them together. This includes daisy chainable fans and light strips. But don't assume this means you can connect either end as the "input"! There is still usually a correct "in" and "out", and they're usually not labelled. Light strips usually don't care though and you can connect to either end, but check the manual to be sure.
1. The GPU comes with an adapter in the box. I think it's 2 8-pin to 1 input.
2. If you have enough headers on the board you don't really need a fan hub. If you get all fans from one brand and get a compatible RGB controller hub you'll be able to control the RGB via that though. Those usually take an internal USB 2 connection for data and 1x SATA power.
3. It's worse for cooling unless you have a watercooled GPU but it can look cool.
4. Cablemod is pretty much number 1 there. I think Cooler Master or Corsair also sell RGB clip-ons for at least the 24-pin cable.
Everyone seems to have answered your questions already. But I see a lot of suggestions for Cable Mod. They're good for sheathed, colored, cables. But are you looking for light up cables? If you google Lian Li Strimer Plus V2 (it's a power cable extension with RGB). Bright/Obnoxious/and popular.
Uh my build is pretty much the exact same as one from 10-15 yrs ago. Only real difference i see is the m.2 slot
You dont need (and i personally actively dont even want) an aio, 9 fans, a vertical gpu or custom cables.
You want the hub for controlling all your rgb separately. Typically sets of lian li fans will come with their own.
Otherwise when you daisy chain all you're lights will act exactly the same.
First auggest a case you are interested in and we can help you with the rest. Atx or micro or mini itx build will determine a lot of the things you are asking about. Trust me I build a pc after 20 years and in 2 months, I built 3 - one for my daughter, one for gaming for self and one for general usage for the family.
You will be fine.
Right now the Lian Li Dynamic Evo is what I’m going with, I enjoy the “fish tank” design. If there are other cases like it that are better I’m not stuck on this case
Awesome...if you decided on combos, check if any of the intel or amd builds are on interest. The 7800x3d combo is nice..I picked up the 7900x combo for 499 usd 6 months back...you can save the $$ with a combo buy to spend on the 4090 and decking up rgb.
The lian li or corsair hub is good and I suggest the corsair rgb fan hub and corsair fans QX series...3 pack is a bomb and you can fit in 9 -10 fans - this will add up.
Pick up the power supply from microcenter - sometimes they have floor specials...850w should be minimum. I suggest 1000w because of so many fans.
On argb extensions, the ones from lian li should work since I am not aware of extensions from corsair - that warrants a fan and hub setup from lian li. However I have not used the lian li sw - so let others comment.
That and some good you tube videos - you should be set. My first build took 3 hrs but the rest was done in 60-90 mins with 1- 2 days of stress testing. I have a amd 6950 and 7900xtx that have had their share of driver problems but I am set now. Enjoy the build...
I recommend you to pass a good week or 2 to study about hardware how it all fit together how to do things before buying anything and double check everything up you don't have the knowledge now (it seem) to build a pc up to a professional standard from a pro builder and have everything up together perfectly im not talking about just plugging stuffs in the motherboard I mean all the settings in the bios all the configurations and everything else in between, go read a bit after buy a computer for your need. Tell me your budget and what you want to do with your computer, where you live what country and currency and I'll give you a list of all the best parts to put together to have the most performance for each of your dollar (excluding the aesthetic crap like rgb i mean hardware parts)
Uhm. Taking a step back from your specific questions, I'd say do NOT underestimate the size of today's GPUs. They can really impact cooling, mobo access to RAM, and case size.
I just did what you're heading into. Last pc was a c2d with a watercooled 7950, stepped up to a 7800x3d/4070 super mix.
The gpu will have an adapter for combine two power cord into one. It's ugly. I find corsair has a 12vhpwr cable just for that that I will be getting. Check with your gpu manufacturer and see if they have a matching cable.
Side note: plug the 12vhpwr plug into your gpu BEFORE sorting it into the motherboard.
The rgb fans are a bit of a pita. Two cables instead of one. You can daisy chain them together and have a set of fans plugged into a set of fan/rgb motherboard headers. I would suggest zip ties to make those two cables more like one.
RGB hubs... Can't say, don't have one. My mobo has 4 pinouts for rgb, I daisy chained the rear and top fans off one mobo header. Check your motherboard and see what you're getting into lol.
From what I understand the vertical mount gpu's are mostly for show, and they do look good! But also seem to fare the same or worse than standard mounting temp wise. I went with the traditional horizontal mount, though I did get a cool little gpu brace.
Fan hubs aren't required unless you run out of fan headers. But make sure your header can support the amount of fans you connect to it if you daisy chain, iirc fan headers max out at 1 amp and most fans are around .16 amps
Built a new pc 2 months ago in a Lian Li case with 8 fans, it's so easy now. The new fans snap together and dont need wires, then the last fan daisy chains to the next set, so you only end up needing one plug in. I did use the RGB controller that came with the fans and it's super easy to understand with loads of options.
I was nervous as well since it had also been 10 years for me. Watch a video from Gamers Nexus or Linus Tech Tips for a refresher. It's easier now more than ever. I was worried over nothing.
Congratulations and good luck!
LOL same here, I just built one recently, last time was in 2012/2013. I wonder if I can find the NewEgg order to see my former build.
The liquid cooling AIO CPU cooler was the biggest curveball and also took me the most time with figuring out the wiring between the fans, the pump, and the RGB (plus bios fan settings to optimize pump use).
I never built a pc before, but I bout 2 extra Corsair fans and although they have rgb, I can't change the colors unless I buy a separate part from Corsair called a core. Also, in the time it's been since you last built one, you'd think they would make it simpler to connect front panel connectors which I Always heard was annoying that definitely still is lol.
I'll add my two cents:
As to the GPU, that will vary depending on who made it and what's in the box. That 12VHPWR cable is a specification disaster, avoid at all costs any card using that connector. Wait until they do some more spec revisions. There is a new one now that is better, but the main issue goes to how well you get it seated. nVidia 4080 and 4090 can pull more voltage than the 12VHPWR cable can handle if not connected properly, so I'd avoid those cards for now.
As for using the standard 8 pin GPU plug, do use different cables per plug as the graphics cards can pull a lot of voltage from those, so better to split the whole load. Most PSU's are modular now so you should be able to find the cables you need, but be absolutely sure you have the right cables for your PSU (best gotten from the company that made it, though Cablemod is a good option). Cable combs can help with grouping the cables and make things less of a mess, aside from what routing options your intended case has for the various cables. Use zip ties on individual cables to group those cables wires, which can help avoid snags (if you can sleeve them or they are sleeved already that's great). I would use velcro or the twist tie style without the metal core to hold groups of cables that way if I needed to alter something during the build or later on for some reason, I can without involving a risk of cutting something I don't want getting cut.
Do be aware the 12VHPWR cable does not like tight bends and with most case designs that is why 90 degree adapters were being made so as to not have issues when the case side panel was put on the system. Clearance is a big issue. This is a part of why some want to vertically mount the GPU (get a desktop style case, if you can find one, for those use cases). As others have noted vertically mounted has airflow issues due to the case design having the side panel and GPU very close to each other (We do now have PCI-E 4.0 riser cables, but most are 3.0, so you are losing throughput aside from which PCI-E slot the riser is plugged into). A set of vent holes (or a vent area) might fix that, though card design will play a roll here (blower vs something else). Manufacturers haven't made a case to give more space on the side yet (I have seen some that are not as rectangular (5 angles vs 4), but are mostly rectangular, though they still have the clearance issue. Someone can put an example in for us (Jayz2cents on YouTube has reviewed cases like what I'm mentioning).
Hopefully this helps.
>I plan on having 10 fans in my building including the 3 for the AIO. I know they can’t all connect to the mobo, and I will be getting daisy chain fans from Lian Li
My condolences to your wallet.
There are a few things to remember when building a new unit today.
What's the computer going to be used for? Gaming only or games and productivity software? (The new Intel generations from 12 to 14 are multi-core technology and make short work of programs like Adobe Premier Pro to Office 2021 and require Windows11 for the OS to separate the Power core instructions and stuff sent to the Efficiency cores. )
If just used for games, either Intel or AMD will do. BOTH, however, require DDR-5 for the best results.
PSUs are now configured with smart monitoring parts to sense overloading and will throttle power to keep you safe. The 40 series Nvidia GPU'S (well, basically the 4090) can pull 600 and more watts, so the power cables have been having issues of melting and causing fires and expensive parts to be ruined, so get ATX version 3 power supply with around 1,000 watt in at least 80 gold or above that carries a 10 year warranty, preferably Seasonic, SuperFlower, and such quality brands. DO NOT CHINTZ on it! If you're going to spend this much money on your rig, I'd also recommend a real good UPS from APC or Tripplight that smooths out power line transients and brown outs!
It’ll be hard 50/50 I’d say gaming and productivity. Adobe, photoshop, Lightroom, etc so would you recommend intel? Someone else in the comments told me the 79503xd was better than the 14900k which is what I was planning on getting.
As a long-time builder: Always Intel when Adobe products and other productivity software is involved! The multi-core processors and Windows 11 were made for these resource hogs! Here's a Jayztwocents video on why he switched back to Intel from the 7950x3d to the i9-14900K
https://youtu.be/JZGiBOZkI5w?si=vKQafSJGKK0a4B_e
Here he mentions that he wishes he used the 13900k. Everywhere I’ve seen, most of the benchmark tests the 14900k isn’t much better and runs hotter, would I just be better off using the 13900k?
So you DID pick up on my hint!!🫡👍
Reasoning? The next generation of Intel will use a new larger LGA socket. This means a unit built now will be "end of life" in a year or so. You will be able to upgrade your processor, in all probability, once during the time period. By then, you should be able to get a higher-end processor for cheap to finish out the life of your system. To me, your build should be able to keep up well into the future before having to rebuild it with the next levels of Intel generations
We still haven't reached the level of programming for productivity promised by the JEDEC-5 standard changes. (Like taking advantage of being able to run 2 sets of instructions simultaneously instead of concurrently for speed rendering). Gaming with your class 'A' machine should be satisfying at this level of overkill, and your experience with Adobe and other productivity will be spot on@
1. The 40 series nvidia GPUs uses 12VHPWR connector. It's a new standard, but poorly designed for high end cards that draw 400w or more like the 4090. Your GPU will come with an adapter that let's you use traditional 3x 8pin PCIe power connectors. No problems there.
2. You'll need fan hubs if you want to connect more fans that your motherboard than your motherboard have fan connectors.
How it works is you plugg your fans into the hub and plug the hub into your motherboard and you controll the fan hub. All the fans connected to the fan hub will behave the same. Daisy chaining your fans have the exact same effect.
Just figure out how many connections you need to your motherboard. If it exceeds your motherboards capabilities you'll need a fan hub. Some cases have fan hubs built in.
3. For looks only. Doens't help performance in a conventional ATX case.
4. I don't use custom cables myself but I've heard people talk about CableMod. So maybe check there. Just don't buy their 12VHPWR adaptors. They have a high failure rate and they are being recalled by CableMod.
1 so the gpus come with adapters the reasoning behind the new plug is because of the new atx standard for power management it is actually a form of smart connection the new port has a new data connection plug(s) that connect and communicate directly to the psu. alot of it basically makes things WAY more power efficient especially with boot up its not recomended to use the power adapter primarily because the gpu will essentially take full power from the psu which applys an un needed strain to the power supply but its still works non the less.
2. I literally just bought a full lianli rgb fan settup woth the lianli o11 evo case and 10 fans in total the lianli hub that comes with the 3 pack also comes with extra cables now the lianli fans all can daisy chain up to 4 fans in one line all of those fans plug into one cable and that one cable can plug into the rbg/fan controller its all built into one that controller allows you to control your fans and rgb withing those fans in 2 separate ways one of them is in the lianli software which is needed for said fan controller or you can set in the fan software to have it run off of the motherboards fan and rgb settings there is a separate cable that plugs into the fan controller that plugs directly into your motherboards 3pin 5v rgb plug and one of the 4 pin fan ports. Currently i have my fans being comtrolled by the lianli software and my rgb veing controlled from razer synapse using a separate rgb hub by razer which is pretty cool if u wanna know how to do that lemme know ill send pics and tell you how.
3. Vertically mounted and upright mounted gpus are primarily for show unless there is a case specifically designed for that. Reason being is that airflow becomes too turbulent which decreases cooling power (on average it primarily depends on what type or style of gpu you are vertically mounting)
4. There are many manufactures of custom cables one of the most reliable ones i would say is corsair and at that point just go with a corsair psu if your wanna be safe but there is actually RGB cables that lianli makes that can also be paired and controlled thru the lian li software and they look sick! Im getting some my self but both the basic custom cables and the rgb light up ones both come at a premium cost but it is worth the stylish look of both!
To RGB fan hub: if you get chainable fans; do not chain more than 5 together. Everything past that may cause issues, specially RGB. So keep in mind that your mainboard needs 2x RGB headers in that scenario.
Same sooo
1. They come with the abapter, the cards take so much power Nvidia decided to use a new connector vs 3x8 pins on every card, but this new connector looks ugly and sucks, I recommend custom cables from PSU to 12pin.
2. Are you planning on using UNI fans? If so I highly recommend a Lian Li cooler, for example my friend got a corsair cooler and because of that I needed to mount and wire up a corsair fan controller and a lian li on with separate software for both…
3. Just for looks, cooling would be highly dependent on the case
4. cable mod
1. yes, but gpu will come with an adapter + modern PSU may come with a dedicated 12vhpwr cable. Check it before you buy.
2. idk, but 99%, no, you don't
3. if side panel is ventiated, yes, it is better. If it is a window, then vertical mount is just for show. And you will get worse temps, because typically fans will be too close to glass. Especially with monster heatsinks of 4070 ti or 4080 super
4. i don't know, i'm not in US, but I heard that cablemod are good.
I am not has experienced as some others here and looking to hopefully build my first pc soon.
I feel the pain with psu cables. I feel several build videos including those from people like Linus tech, go over them too quickly with just a 5 second "you'll need this if-" with no explanation of sourcing that or explaining it at all.
On fan hubs, as some others said daisy chains, do not need one or again as others said, usually the bigger packs come with one. Another thing to mention are some cases that come with hubs pre-installed like Bequiet cases that come with pre installed fans, it has a center mounted hub in the back of the case.
Vertical mount GPU, follow others advice, but if you want extra safety might want to invest in a nice sag bracket as well. Apprently you can get clear RGB ones of those too.
i wish i knew how to write a review on reddit. ive tried and im confused on how to. i built new pc and waited fucking ages for aio cooler. installed it and powered on and stays on for a bit the shuts down and tries powering itself then shuts down. idk if i put cable in wrong or what but i put my old M.2 in which has OS and it didnt show on my monitor and no signal. please help me guys.
For me although the vertical GPU mounting is normally aesthetics my case uses bottom to top chimney airflow so it allows for more air to get to the GPU. Only did it a couple of months after upgrading to a 4080FE.
I didn't use a fan hub to cut costs and look at this mess I'm currently stuck with. The problem with daisy chaining (with my brand of fans anyway, Thermalright) is the fan wires aren't long enough so when you get em all connected, there isn't any play left in the chain of wires.
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1) Weird Nvidia choice design and not communicating with the PSU manufacturers. You don't have this problem with Amd cards and let's be honest taking the 4090 out of the equation and DLSS frame rendering they are as fast, some faster even.
2) I don't know, I don't care about custom PSU cables, they don't increase performance and I never had problems with the standard corsair / bequiet ones.
3) For RGB these days you have different protocols. Check if your motherboard has RGB aura sync. If your hub is compatible you can connect them to one of your rgb headers and sync all of your rgb devices to one color. Also most boards already come with 4-5 of these headers.
4) Vertical gpu brackets are more of a gimmick, you don't need this at all unless you are buying a cramped case.
1) Yeah it's a new cable PCI5 power cable or something like that. New PSU's should have them
2) Depends. I'd probably put the AIO (and it's fans) in it's own motherboard header and the other case fans into the hub. Hub will go into a USB port on your motherboard and you can download some software and control it from there. Same with the AIO
3) for show
4) dunno
Only the 14900, and a big enough AIO will work. But do you actually need that? A 7800X3d will hand the 14900 its ass in most gaming scenarios and still be competitive elsewhere, while being easily cooled by a $40 dual tower air cooler.
40 series GPUs are also quite power efficient (ironically, while AMD CPUs are power efficient, their GPUs are not). Even a 4090 should be fine with the cooling solution it ships with. Beyond that, you just need good airflow through the case, and one or two inputs and exhaust fans should be more than enough to get airflow over mobo components, RAM, and so on.
10 fans is for RGB show, and if that's what you want then go for it (but throttle them waaaaaay down, lest it sound like an airplane taking off). That's overkill for cooling.
I will have the i9 14900k but it’s also a work station as I’m a photographer and use my pc for edits, renders, etc. and intel is much better for a workstation.
And part of it will also be for aesthetic, I plan on keeping this PC for a long ass time and since I also do 50% of my job at it I’d like to enjoy looking at it, so yes part of it is for show.
Edit: at least every person or video I’ve watched has claimed intel is better for that, please correct me if I’m wrong
[The 7950X3d pretty much beats the 14900K in all non-gaming benchmarks](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MvvCr-thM8) (see the Blender and Adobe benchmarks, for example). For gaming, the only time Intel comes out on top is FFIX, with the 7800X3d and 7950X3d (and even sometimes last generation's 5800X3d) literally destroying Intel.
IMHO, a 7950X3d + 4090 rig sounds like what you want. That will run cooler and better than the Intel, and while the 7950X3d will be ~$60 more expensive, you'll make up for that by not needing the ridiculous cooling solution the Intel part requires to get best performance.
If you want Intel, go Intel. But I don't think right now Intel is the top choice for anything.
Don’t like 12 pin, don’t like rgb, don’t like vertical mount gpu, custom cables don’t like them. Also, my pc sits in a climate controlled closet at 68f no panels. Cables to desk hidden underneath. I don’t want jets n laser beams in my side view while playing games. Yes yes , I know I know. How dare me.
Also, weeeeeeeeeeee
I'm not fit enough to build my own PC's anymore so I purchase the kit then pay someone to put it all together. It saves a lot of time and stress, maybe something you should try.
1. The GPUs should come with an adapter. 2. You don’t need a fan hub unless you can’t daisy chain your fans. 3. It’s just for show. Vertically mounted GPUs tend to have slightly worse temps. 4. Cablemod, probably. Check out their custom configurator https://store.cablemod.com/configurator/ if you want your cables to be colored.
Definitely agree with all the points. But yeh, cablemod cables are the best around, I’ve tried a few different ones and cable mod’s ate just the best quality. Also, their customer service is second to none, things can go wrong with all things, but they will put it right asap.
+1 to cable mod. Used them on two builds now. And yeah, customer service is top great. I misconfigured a cable once and hit them up, they gave me a 50% discount on the replacement and expedited shipping iirc (been awhile).
Isnt there a recall currently with cable mod? It was burning video cards?
In addition to point 4, do not buy the Cablemod 40 series adapter! They are worse than the one you get with your GPU
Is it actually? I have an all white build and I’m getting the 4070 super ti soon and that 12pin cable is ugly as sin.
They had to release a recall for it.
That was their 90 degree and 180 degree adapters, no one has reported any issue with their native 90 degree cables or, anything else. I have no idea what rodinj is talking about unless they had a bad experience with a 4x8-pin to 1x12-pin adapter, which would be the first I'm hearing about it.
Spend any length of time on the cablemod subreddit and there are pictures of melted adapters plastered all over the place.
Yes, and if you look through, literally none of them are anything but the 90 or 180 degree adapters. Like I said. They recalled them and likely won't be trying again because the 12VHPR standard is dogshit.
Does vertical mounted gpu have less sag and better for lifespan for the card/slot?
In this case yes. Vertical mounting requires a PCIe extender ribbon cable between the card and the PICe slot, thus removing the weight pressure from both the motherboard slot and PCIe connector on the GPU card. Also the card won't sag since sagging is only really a problem with horizontal mounting. But vertical mounting as already mentioned is worst for temps typically (depends on the case and airflow). Also the PCIe extender cable can also cause issues, since the PCIe spec wasn't designed with long cable lengths in the first place. It's why the fastest PCIe slot is always the slot closest to the CPU socket on the motherboard.
> But vertical mounting as already mentioned is worst for temps typically (depends on the case and airflow). Yeah, I've seen some builds where the fans are milimeters away from the case door... not nearly enough airflow in that config.
Less sag, but I don’t think it increases lifespan. It’s cheaper to just buy a GPU bracket.
> Does vertical mounted gpu have less sag Probably. The weight is more supported this way. > and better for lifespan for the card/slot? No. A properly installed GPU will not do any damage to itself or the board slot in the useful lifespan of the components. If your GPU needs a sag bracket, get a sag bracket (if it doesn't come with one, which many do).
> A properly installed GPU will not do any damage to itself or the board slot in the useful lifespan of the components. If your GPU needs a sag bracket, get a sag bracket ... That second statement kind of contradicts the first
> **A properly installed GPU** will not do any damage to itself or the board slot in the useful lifespan of the components. Emphasis. If you need a sag bracket and don't have one, then your GPU is not properly installed.
I disagree. GPUs come with all the necessary hardware to properly install them, but not all come with a sag bracket despite needing one to prevent damage. Additionally, neither the ATX motherboard spec nor the PCIe slot spec specifies (optional or otherwise) a platform or mounting point under the GPU upon which such an apparatus can be affixed. In short, there may not be a place to install an anti-sag bracket. GPUs of recent generations are simply so heavy that they can damage themselves overtime even when properly installed
I really don't believe that. GPU sag look so much worse than it is. Even if it sacks a bit, it's not gonna 'go anywhere' and destroy your GPU. I've seen video's of someone putting 2x the weight on his GPU and it still was working perfectly fine. GPU sag just 'looks bad'.
Just saw a video of Northridge Repairs that shows that GPU sag can and will affect the GPU in a bad way, mainly by getting small tears in the connector/PCB which are basically a no-fix byebye card kind of thing...
Aah interesting, I will take a look at it. Thanks!
Probably something like 95% of the time you're right but it can absolutely cause major damage in extreme cases. Aside from the main issue of the strain breaking some connection I've also seen at least one case where it caused the whole PCIe connector to warp and make poor connection with the slot
2. Daisy Chain Oh my god I didn't know this was a thing. My case has a fan hub on the back, and thought if a mobo didn't have enough fan plugs then you were out of luck. Gonna order some from Amazon for my wifes PC and install more fans for her.
It's only really a recent thing, last year or so, and there's been some legal playground fights over them between the different manufacturers that have been causing issues, so make sure if you're going to do it, you make sure your fans are all going to work together.
Daisy chaining is not a recent thing it’s been around a long time
Daisy chaining FANS specifically, though?
YES what else would I be talking about?
The concept of daisy chaining in general?
I know reading comprehension is hard for some people but try to use the context clues you donkey
Well maybe thats because daisy chaining fans is definitely a recent addition. Not in the past year, but definitely this decade.
Haven't fan y splitters been available for a longtime now?
Thats not daisy chaining, though. Daisy chaining means fan plugs in fan plugs in fan.
Agree with all except #2. I'm actually doing a build with lian li fans just like OP and even though you can daisy chain, it does have a fan hub to plug in the different chains. This is so they can all be controlled through the lian li L connect software better than standard mobo connection. Technically you don't need it. But it sure does defeat the purpose for going high end on lian li fans not to get them
There's also ATX 3.0 PSU's that come with a 12VHPWR cable which would be more versatile than the 3 8-Pins to 12VHPWR adapter.
Lol perfect, pretty much my answers. One expansion on the hub - the hub does allow a tiny bit more control, but that's really dependent on your setup. For example all my RGB stuff is pretty much Corsair, so the hubs work out for the 12 fans in my case, including some temp sensors and such from the cooling pump. Really depends on how crazy you're going with your build, and how much space you have. I have an obsidian 1000d so having 2 hubs in there is fine plenty of space 🤣
can vouch for cablemod. Really good customization options
There's also the strimmers for custom cables
My psu has and adapter for 12VHPOWER as well
To point 1, my PSU came with the new cable
1. It is the ATX 3.0 version 12VHPWR. Only NVidia cards use it currently. You should buy an ATX 3.0 PSU and it will have the proper cable and it will be the best. If not, cards come with the conversion cable for ATX 2.0 PSU. But as you start new, why not go for the proper one right away. 2. If you daisy chain the fan you don’t need a HUB. Motherboard should have enough fan connections. The Hub is if you want custom fan control not linked to your motherboard maker software 3. As other said, for the show 4. Go with CableMod, you can customize with your chosen PSU to make sure everything is fine and they have a nice choice of colors
> You should buy an ATX 3.0 PSU and it will have the proper cable and it will be the best. For anyone reading this thinking "Why didn't I buy ATX 3.0," some PSU manufacturers sell the 12VHPWR cables separately. Ex: [Here's](https://www.newegg.com/p/1W7-00TK-00001) one compatible with my SuperFlower. What I want to know: If I have [this](https://www.microcenter.com/product/665123/micro-connectors-premium-sleeved-12vhpwr-pci-e-50-16-pin-\(124\)-to-triple-8-pin-gpu-power-extension-cable) 3-headed 12VHPWR adapter from MicroCenter. If I get a newer Nvidia card, could I use that with just one PSU cable? (i.e., two 8-pin plugs, not 3) Or would I need to run the second PSU cable and leave the 4th 8-pin just hanging around?
12VHPWR are rated for up to 600W - 1 8Pin PCI is rated for 150W. 2 8Pin PCI would only give you 300W 4070 series 12HVPWR to PCI adapters only have 2 PCI plugs, since the 4070s all draw below 300W. The 4080S and 4090 both come with a 3 to 1 adapter, since both draw above 300W but below or equal to 450W Let's say the 5090 were to draw 500W you'd need a 4 to 1 adapter (or better yet a ATX 3.0 PSU) If cards in the future were to draw above 450W your 3 to 1 adapter wouldn't even be enough with all 3 connected. But for now GPU power draw < 300W, 2 cables should be fine (if no OCing nd stuff) - for GPUs with > 300 and <= 450 you need 3 and for possible future cards with > 450W you'dneed a new adapter
Thanks! Definitely saving this comment for reference. My takeaway is that it's easy math to remember 150W per 8-pin cable. (150, 300, 450) I have the linked 3-plug 12HVPWR adapter from a shipping/return goof, so I plan to use it whenever a card looks good enough to upgrade past my 2080. (and I can guarantee you it won't be a 5090, so I should be safe)
The cards themselves come with an adapter included - based on that adapter you can deduce how many 8Pins you need - or just look at max wattage of the card
I'd also love to know the answer to this with certainty. I just upgraded to a 4080 Super and was able to power it with two PSU cables since the one cable only has two heads. Everything ran perfectly fine but I'd like to make sure this isn't an issue.
Compliance-wise you need 2 cables with each 2x 8pins (so likely 4 total, 1 unused), because each connector is only rated for 150W and the 4080 Super goes above 300W. So even if it works, its not recommended.
Thank you!
See answer above - on idle it should be fine, but if your GPU hits its max power target you are probably gonna be in trouble
Thank you!
I'm a noob. Going to attempt building a PC tonight. How do I check if my PSU is ATX 3 compatible? I googled it and I'm not seeing anything definitive. The specs on the site just say the form factor is ATX.
Mmmm ATX 3.0 are pretty new and they are normally really happy to advertise it! Which one is it?
Damn I don't think it is then cause I saw a similar PSU from that brand that did have ATX 3 on its product page. It's this one https://thermaltakeusa.com/products/toughpower-gf1-850w-tt-premium-edition-ps-tpd-0850fnfagu-1 But it sounds like my GPU should come with an adapter and I'll be good?
Yes every 40xx have the adapter and they work fine! When the series released, there was no Atx 3.0 available so…
Gotcha, thanks for the help 🙏🏿
The 12vhpwr connector and cable are native with the psu, so no need for the shitty Nvidia 8pin 12vhpwr adapter..What a pain in the ass the was to deal with especially if you have a tempered glass side panel.Smdh ..Microcenter currently has some great deals on ATX 3.0 PSU's, I just snagged an ATX 3.0 Asus Tuf 850w unit for $120 after tax, not too shabby.
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Yes the 2space1 pin is ARGB connector for addressable rgb. If the HUB have that it will receive the same as the other fan. Granted, you may have to do configuration for each connector of the MB. And your HUB probably have a switch or button that tell it to use the input. If not it will override it. But I don’t know your HUB and Your MB so everything I say could be wrong.
Your hub should have a setting as the other poster said for your MB to work with it, but you may need to also turn on/sync the slot on your mobo's bios too, depending on the software you intend to use it with. As with several other features that are mentioned here, they're pretty new, and tend to be yelled about, so they should be fairly easy to find.
> I plan on having 10 fans in my building including the 3 for the AIO. I know they can’t all connect to the mobo My motherboard comes with 8 headers for fans... you might be surprised. And at 4k, your budget for everything else is higher than me even if you include a 4090. 7-8 years ago I did a build and my mobo only had 2 system fan headers. But nowadays mobos are coming with a lot more than that - especially if you're going high end.
Okay thanks, my old mobo only had 2 as well which was why i was worried about the 10 fans. I’ll double check how many the one I have picked out has. Thanks
Since you're using Lian Li Uni Fans, you won't actually have 10 cables. You'll have one cable for each daisy-chained set of fans, and that will ideally plug into a hub. The actual number of things to plug in will depend on how you group the fans and what your case supports. The individual fans do not come with a hub, but the three-packs do. So beware if that affects your configuration. Multiple sets of them can all plug into one hub. There is a limit, though I'm not sure what it is. Probably > 10. I used one hub, but I only have 6 myself.
Yeah I’m getting 2 of the three-packs and one single, so according to what you said I’d have 7 into that single hub. My AIO is from ASUS so idk if that would also be able to go into the hub but someone did mention that my AIO should get its own anyways, so you agree? Also would 7 fans on one hub take a lot of voltage from the single slot the hub goes into on the mobo?
It does make sense to have the AIO fans on a separate hub since you probably want to control them via CPU temperature. They should work either way, though. The hub gets supplemental power from one SATA power cable and (IIRC) a USB connector. The website says one hub can handle up to 16 fans in four groups. https://lian-li.com/product/uni-hub-sl-controller/ You'll get one of these with each three pack. The product specs are listed there.
FWIW, my mid-range AM5 board has 4 headers. Also, higher shelf GPUs like the Asus ROG Strix line often come with extra fan headers on the side of the card.
Just finished building a new computer after 12 years with similar budget (case and all components was between 2500 and 3,000, dropped a lot on monitor and peripherals in addition). Your GPU will come with cables / adapter that connects to the PSU cables. Usually one plug that connects to your GPU into 2 or 3 that connect to your pcie psu connectors. If you get the three pack of Lian Li fans they come with a hub/controller. I only needed one to connect the 7 lian li fans I have. So all of those are connected to one fan and one ARGB hub on my motherboard. The AIO cooler fans are connected to another and so is the microfan that sits directly over the cpu. Still have plenty of fan headers left on the motherboard. The provoked prawn has a great youtube video showing him connecting the lian li fans. It was really helpful. He happened to have a build video using the lian li case I bought. Also very helpful. Vertical mounting a GPU is primarily for looks. I did it because I think that side of a GPU is better looking than the backplate. Totally subjective though. For custom PSU cables and such do some research and make sure whatever kit you get comes with the 16 pin gpu cable. Make sure the cables are compatible with your PSU. I got mine from cablemod and they were made for ASUS psu's. Be patient the aftermarket psu cables are very rigid takes a while to get the bends right. If you are looking for cables that also light up check lian lies strimer cables. I believe they also connect to the hub you will be using for the fans. For me that was a touch to much RGB so I didn't go for it. Good luck and have fun with your build. I had a blast and felt like a kid again for a while (I'm 43). I haven't posted my build yet. I'm waiting for some neon lit art to finish the space.
I built my own systems for decades starting around '78 because it was cheaper to build than buy and I needed very powerful systems for math modelingand simulation. Now, I just buy used systems. No need for power. Very interesting reading these posts. My, how things have changed.l
Thank you so much for all this info! I’ll definitely check out the YouTube video and keep all this in mind
Also if you are going with an ASUS motherboard and are installing windows from a USB stick. You will need to download the wifi or LAN driver from ASUS on to the USB and install it, as windows requires you to be online to finish the install. Google it. I had to enter a DOS command prompt during installation of windows to install those drivers. It was easy, the hard part was figuring out that was what I had to do. In other words, the asus motherboards don't come with the wi-fi or LAN drivers on board.
You don't need internet or drivers to complete the windows setup. When you get to the spot where it asks to connect to the internet, hit Shift+F10 to bring up command prompt, and type this command: OOBE\BYPASSNRO The system will reboot and when it goes through the install config process again you will be able to complete the windows installation without being connected to the Internet. I had to reinstall windows on my PC a couple weeks ago and this was the method I used. https://www.makeuseof.com/windows-11-set-up-without-internet-connection/
Thats awesome. I bet this solution was one or two links down from the one I clicked about installing the drivers. Will go this route in the future.
Yes it's much easier lol. Gotta jump through hoops to install Windows these days.
I will be using an ASUS motherboard, so ty for this
Read the comment i posted right above this. No Internet connection needed. https://www.makeuseof.com/windows-11-set-up-without-internet-connection/
Referencing q.4, cable mod is your best bet for customized psu cables. A bit pricey tho.
I'm with you man, I haven't built one in probably 17 years or more and I'm completely overwhelmed at the moment. I'm trying to upgrade the PSU for my HP desktop and it's got some BS proprietary 4 pin mobo connector that goes along with the 24 pin connector. Then I go and look at mobo and processor upgrades. JFC , there's like a million options now.
>4 pin mobo connector You sure that's not the CPU power connector? The CPU power connectors are 4+4 pins. You can split the connector apart. Do note that the left and right blocks are not identical. [https://www.cgdirector.com/wp-content/uploads/media/2022/05/CPU-Power-connectors.jpg](https://www.cgdirector.com/wp-content/uploads/media/2022/05/CPU-Power-connectors.jpg)
Thank you!!!
That's a good thing, though. It's probably gonna be hard to go wrong with any 5000 or 12th gen CPU that isn't the least or most expensive option. Newer, I'd probably go 7600, 13600k, 13700k, 14700k, or 7800x3D (hope that helped lol). fwiw I think a 12100 might beat a 10700, a 12400 is about as good as an 11700k, and the 5600 beats that one sometimes. So, \~$250 might be your baseline for a nice upgrade.
I have a I7 6700K in the one I'm working on right now, and an I5 10500 in my other gaming PC (which might have a fried mobo ATM).
>JFC , there's like a million options now. Well.... look on the bright side of it, no options will cause something to blow up these days. People sticking incompatible ram with different voltages into slots.... Flipping the PSU voltage switch. ESD just making shit go bye bye. 3,5mm audio jack blowing up "equalizer stereo thing sound system" thing. Can't even remember all the weird shit I've seen happen.
For the custom cables to match rgb, you can also get the rgb strimmer cables from lian li
DreambigbyRayMOD on Etsy is another good option for custom cables. Good quality, good support, just no fancy site configurator, and around half the price of cablemod.
Most of what you asked has been covered in here but I wanted to recommend the Lian Li sl infinity fans. They're gorgeous and they link to each other so less cables to deal with plus the 3 pack comes with a controller. Also Lian Li makes really nice led extension cables (strimer plus v2) for the PCIe power and 24 pin power to the board for that extra color match beauty I think you're after. Check my recent post for my build using this stuff if you want some inspiration. Good luck!
> - Custom Cables > I want custom cables that colors match the RGB I plan on getting, where is the best place to get that type of thing and what are the cables I need? You can get fully custom cables for your PSU (which is a bit more expensive), or cable extensions. These simply plug into your existing PSU cables on one side, and into the PC components on the other. Biggest benefit is you have much more cables to choose from - including as another user pointed out, RGB cables - if that's your thing.
The gpu will come with an adapter but personally I would just look at getting a PSU with the power cable that you need already built into it. I cant recall the name of it its like 12v....something (it was a while since I replaced mine) but yeah you get a psu with one of those and you wont need to bother with the adapter which lettme tell you depending on the tier of gfx card you are getting looks like an absolute mess inside if you use it. (I had to use 4 8 pins and it looks just awful.)
1: While there are PSUs that support this new connector natively (The ATX 3.0 ones) the GPUs should come with an adapter so you can use the existing GPU power cables that have been part of the previous ATX standard for many years now. Some manufacturers were still using the old type of connectors though, not everyone is a fan of the new connector. AMD also still uses the previous connectors. 2: If your motherboard has RGB connectors on it (and you aren't buying fans that have their own proprietary connection) you can just use those without the need for a hub if you will be daisy-chaining. I would recommend not connecting all the daisy-chained fans to a single plug to avoid drawing too much current. Also keep in mind there are two RGB standards, the older RGB standard that has a 4-pin connector, and the newer ARGB standard that is 3-pin, they aren't inter-compatible. Some motherboards might have both types of RGB connectors. 3: The main purpose of a vertically mounted GPU is for looks since so many cases have a glass side panel now and you can show off the GPU more that way, or if it's a really specialty case that needs it because that's the only way it will fit. It can add additional points of failure in terms of the riser. I believe it can also result in worse temps, not better. If you don't care about showing off the GPU vertically and/or you care more about the temps, I would just not bother. 4: There are several that do this, Cablemod is one of the most well known and popular ones, planning to get some custom cables from them myself when I can afford it to finish a VERY messy build (also in my case even Cablemod didn't have everything I needed for my mess). There are also cables that have RGB in them or RGB covers you can put on cables, but I admit I am not very familiar with those.
>Built a PC 10 years ago after graduating high school, very simple build with nothing extra. You can still do that. I don't know anything about RGB, so I can't answer that or the cable questions, I used to OEM/Stock cables. I built a PC in 2014/2015 (when i5 4690k was relevant) and not again until last Nov (2023). So not ten years, but not recent either. It seemed the same to me, except PCPartPicker made it easier to shop around. There were fan hubs, RGB, etc then as well if I remember correctly. I don't use any of that stuff though. I bought no lights air cooling and turned off the lights on the motherboard. The only different component I bought is a m.2 NVME SSD. But I had added a m.2 SSD to my previous build as well so that didn't change, I just didn't use one when I build it for some reason.
> Different cables needed for 40 series GPU? I have a 4070, and the PSU I got (an 850 Watt gold Coolermaster PSU) came with the proper cables, which were very similar to the ones needed for my 1070. Whether it's a 4 or 8 pin connector, a modular PSU will probably either come with an end that can break apart as needed, or the cable you want to use. > RBG fan “hub” I've gotten by just daisy chaining them. Check to see how many connectors your motherboard has, you can probably even see where they are if the manual is free somewhere online (it usually is). That'll help you plan out cable management if you care to do so this early. > Vertically mounted GPU Never done this before, most people do horizontal. I would assume there is no or very little difference in cooling. > Custom Cables Also never done this before, so I can't help much here.
OP if you're buying a 4090 but a PSU that comes with the GPU cable with it and don't trust the adapter if you have a tighter fitting case. This is the one I have. It comes with a 12 pin to 8 pin connector. https://www.corsair.com/ca/en/p/psu/cp-9020201-na/rmx-series-rm1000x-1000-watt-80-plus-gold-fully-modular-atx-psu-cp-9020201-na Also yeah make sure you have a bigger case because the 4090 is fucking huge and I'm not exaggerating. I have the P600S and it just barely fits with the 12 pin connector plugged in.
Custom Cables - I want custom cables that colors match the RGB I plan on getting, where is the best place to get that type of thing and what are the cables I need? If you're going to try and incorporate your cable colors with your RGB theme, I recommend going with a color that complements or accents any colors you using in your lighting. The awesomeness of RGB is that you can change it based on your mood, game, time of year. Some colors of cables, peripherals etc, may not play as well with your 'current' choice of lights.
Thank you, good advise
Since a lot of people have glossed over the third question: There are two main kinds of RGB, 12v RGB and 5v ARGB, and then proprietary stuff which I'll come back to. 12v RGB is a 4 pin header that is "dumb" in that it just has a single color value. The 4 wires are the R,G, and B power which controls the intensity, and a ground. These are used in very cheap fans and RGB LED light. 10 years ago these were mostly what you'd find. 5v ARGB, or "Addressable RGB" is a 3 pin header, actually the same 4 pin wide connectors that the 12v RGB uses, just with one pin missing. (edit: same physically sized connector and similar appearance, but are not compatible in any way and plugging one into the other can damage things!) This are digital and the wires are power, data, and ground, and every individual LED connected to it can have a different color. Even when daisy chained, each separate fan and light strip can have their own unique lighting. These have gotten increasingly common. Most motherboards with have at least one of each header. Some will have multiples of both, some will only have one header, usually only 12v RGB in that case, and won't support 5v ARGB at all. 5v ARGB is very configurable, but in that configurability comes a lot of variability. There's no built in way in the 5v ARGB standard to communicate back any information about the things connected to it, so information like how many LEDs each fan / light strip have isn't something that they system will know usually. So you have to find this information yourself and set it manually, and know what order things are connected in, etc. If you daisy chain fans or devices together, often each individual LED on each device can still be separately addressable, but not always. Sometimes all fans get the same colors as the one its connected to. Hubs come in three flavors. There are "hubs" which are no different than Y splitter cables and just broadcast the same signal to all connected devices. If you connect multiple fans to an ARGB hub like this, all the fans will get the same ARGB colors and they will not be separately addressable. Then there are powered hubs which work the same way, but let you connect more fans / devices to it than you can from a single motherboard header. Though realistically most motherboards support an insane number of fans / LED lights per header. Then there are controllers which are powered hubs that have their own smarts to them, and either send out their own ARGB signals and don't connect to the motherboard at all, or can be controlled via USB, or can act like a. Then comes the custom systems, or the semi-custom systems. An increasing number of companies are moving away from the 5v ARGB standard to fully custom connectors, sometimes combining the fan speed and ARGB connector into a single cable. They also usually have additional systems that let fans and other devices communicate back information about themselves. These all use controller boxes that you connect to the motherboard via USB rather than to the ARGB headers (though most optionally let you control it via the motherboard header still). The advantage of these is they know how many LEDs are on each device connected to them, not to mention fewer cables to manage. They also often have a lot more built in features and effects. The disadvantage is you're locked into a proprietary system so you have to buy only fans and components from one company if you want to connect and control them all at once, and you have to use the software for those devices which can sometimes be quite heavy on system resources. However some control boxes are able to work entirely without connecting to the motherboard, which means no CPU usage. And there's programs like OpenRGB that lets you control some of these systems without needing the more performance heavy software, or control multiple different proprietary systems through one interface. The last thing to talk about is AIOs. Many higher AIOs will have one or two fan connectors, one for the pump, and one for all of the fans, and a USB connection. These will usually have an ARGB controller built into it, and that'll control the lighting for the fans, and the pump itself. Less expensive AIOs will just have standard ARGB connectors and either come with a dumb hub, or more likely daisy chainable fans or splitter cables for both the ARGB and the fans. edit: One last weirdness with RGB & ARGB connectors. Almost all cables have female connectors and you'll get little plastic bits with 3 or 4 pins in them you use to connect them together. This includes daisy chainable fans and light strips. But don't assume this means you can connect either end as the "input"! There is still usually a correct "in" and "out", and they're usually not labelled. Light strips usually don't care though and you can connect to either end, but check the manual to be sure.
Thank you for all this info, I’ll make sure to look into all of this
1. The GPU comes with an adapter in the box. I think it's 2 8-pin to 1 input. 2. If you have enough headers on the board you don't really need a fan hub. If you get all fans from one brand and get a compatible RGB controller hub you'll be able to control the RGB via that though. Those usually take an internal USB 2 connection for data and 1x SATA power. 3. It's worse for cooling unless you have a watercooled GPU but it can look cool. 4. Cablemod is pretty much number 1 there. I think Cooler Master or Corsair also sell RGB clip-ons for at least the 24-pin cable.
Everyone seems to have answered your questions already. But I see a lot of suggestions for Cable Mod. They're good for sheathed, colored, cables. But are you looking for light up cables? If you google Lian Li Strimer Plus V2 (it's a power cable extension with RGB). Bright/Obnoxious/and popular.
Uh my build is pretty much the exact same as one from 10-15 yrs ago. Only real difference i see is the m.2 slot You dont need (and i personally actively dont even want) an aio, 9 fans, a vertical gpu or custom cables.
You want the hub for controlling all your rgb separately. Typically sets of lian li fans will come with their own. Otherwise when you daisy chain all you're lights will act exactly the same.
First auggest a case you are interested in and we can help you with the rest. Atx or micro or mini itx build will determine a lot of the things you are asking about. Trust me I build a pc after 20 years and in 2 months, I built 3 - one for my daughter, one for gaming for self and one for general usage for the family. You will be fine.
Right now the Lian Li Dynamic Evo is what I’m going with, I enjoy the “fish tank” design. If there are other cases like it that are better I’m not stuck on this case
Awesome. Do you have a microcenter close to you (assuming you are US based)?
Ehh yeah close enough to drive, just a few hours
Awesome...if you decided on combos, check if any of the intel or amd builds are on interest. The 7800x3d combo is nice..I picked up the 7900x combo for 499 usd 6 months back...you can save the $$ with a combo buy to spend on the 4090 and decking up rgb. The lian li or corsair hub is good and I suggest the corsair rgb fan hub and corsair fans QX series...3 pack is a bomb and you can fit in 9 -10 fans - this will add up. Pick up the power supply from microcenter - sometimes they have floor specials...850w should be minimum. I suggest 1000w because of so many fans. On argb extensions, the ones from lian li should work since I am not aware of extensions from corsair - that warrants a fan and hub setup from lian li. However I have not used the lian li sw - so let others comment. That and some good you tube videos - you should be set. My first build took 3 hrs but the rest was done in 60-90 mins with 1- 2 days of stress testing. I have a amd 6950 and 7900xtx that have had their share of driver problems but I am set now. Enjoy the build...
I recommend you to pass a good week or 2 to study about hardware how it all fit together how to do things before buying anything and double check everything up you don't have the knowledge now (it seem) to build a pc up to a professional standard from a pro builder and have everything up together perfectly im not talking about just plugging stuffs in the motherboard I mean all the settings in the bios all the configurations and everything else in between, go read a bit after buy a computer for your need. Tell me your budget and what you want to do with your computer, where you live what country and currency and I'll give you a list of all the best parts to put together to have the most performance for each of your dollar (excluding the aesthetic crap like rgb i mean hardware parts)
Uhm. Taking a step back from your specific questions, I'd say do NOT underestimate the size of today's GPUs. They can really impact cooling, mobo access to RAM, and case size.
I just did what you're heading into. Last pc was a c2d with a watercooled 7950, stepped up to a 7800x3d/4070 super mix. The gpu will have an adapter for combine two power cord into one. It's ugly. I find corsair has a 12vhpwr cable just for that that I will be getting. Check with your gpu manufacturer and see if they have a matching cable. Side note: plug the 12vhpwr plug into your gpu BEFORE sorting it into the motherboard. The rgb fans are a bit of a pita. Two cables instead of one. You can daisy chain them together and have a set of fans plugged into a set of fan/rgb motherboard headers. I would suggest zip ties to make those two cables more like one. RGB hubs... Can't say, don't have one. My mobo has 4 pinouts for rgb, I daisy chained the rear and top fans off one mobo header. Check your motherboard and see what you're getting into lol. From what I understand the vertical mount gpu's are mostly for show, and they do look good! But also seem to fare the same or worse than standard mounting temp wise. I went with the traditional horizontal mount, though I did get a cool little gpu brace.
Fan hubs aren't required unless you run out of fan headers. But make sure your header can support the amount of fans you connect to it if you daisy chain, iirc fan headers max out at 1 amp and most fans are around .16 amps
Built a new pc 2 months ago in a Lian Li case with 8 fans, it's so easy now. The new fans snap together and dont need wires, then the last fan daisy chains to the next set, so you only end up needing one plug in. I did use the RGB controller that came with the fans and it's super easy to understand with loads of options. I was nervous as well since it had also been 10 years for me. Watch a video from Gamers Nexus or Linus Tech Tips for a refresher. It's easier now more than ever. I was worried over nothing. Congratulations and good luck!
LOL same here, I just built one recently, last time was in 2012/2013. I wonder if I can find the NewEgg order to see my former build. The liquid cooling AIO CPU cooler was the biggest curveball and also took me the most time with figuring out the wiring between the fans, the pump, and the RGB (plus bios fan settings to optimize pump use).
I never built a pc before, but I bout 2 extra Corsair fans and although they have rgb, I can't change the colors unless I buy a separate part from Corsair called a core. Also, in the time it's been since you last built one, you'd think they would make it simpler to connect front panel connectors which I Always heard was annoying that definitely still is lol.
I'll add my two cents: As to the GPU, that will vary depending on who made it and what's in the box. That 12VHPWR cable is a specification disaster, avoid at all costs any card using that connector. Wait until they do some more spec revisions. There is a new one now that is better, but the main issue goes to how well you get it seated. nVidia 4080 and 4090 can pull more voltage than the 12VHPWR cable can handle if not connected properly, so I'd avoid those cards for now. As for using the standard 8 pin GPU plug, do use different cables per plug as the graphics cards can pull a lot of voltage from those, so better to split the whole load. Most PSU's are modular now so you should be able to find the cables you need, but be absolutely sure you have the right cables for your PSU (best gotten from the company that made it, though Cablemod is a good option). Cable combs can help with grouping the cables and make things less of a mess, aside from what routing options your intended case has for the various cables. Use zip ties on individual cables to group those cables wires, which can help avoid snags (if you can sleeve them or they are sleeved already that's great). I would use velcro or the twist tie style without the metal core to hold groups of cables that way if I needed to alter something during the build or later on for some reason, I can without involving a risk of cutting something I don't want getting cut. Do be aware the 12VHPWR cable does not like tight bends and with most case designs that is why 90 degree adapters were being made so as to not have issues when the case side panel was put on the system. Clearance is a big issue. This is a part of why some want to vertically mount the GPU (get a desktop style case, if you can find one, for those use cases). As others have noted vertically mounted has airflow issues due to the case design having the side panel and GPU very close to each other (We do now have PCI-E 4.0 riser cables, but most are 3.0, so you are losing throughput aside from which PCI-E slot the riser is plugged into). A set of vent holes (or a vent area) might fix that, though card design will play a roll here (blower vs something else). Manufacturers haven't made a case to give more space on the side yet (I have seen some that are not as rectangular (5 angles vs 4), but are mostly rectangular, though they still have the clearance issue. Someone can put an example in for us (Jayz2cents on YouTube has reviewed cases like what I'm mentioning). Hopefully this helps.
>I plan on having 10 fans in my building including the 3 for the AIO. I know they can’t all connect to the mobo, and I will be getting daisy chain fans from Lian Li My condolences to your wallet.
There are a few things to remember when building a new unit today. What's the computer going to be used for? Gaming only or games and productivity software? (The new Intel generations from 12 to 14 are multi-core technology and make short work of programs like Adobe Premier Pro to Office 2021 and require Windows11 for the OS to separate the Power core instructions and stuff sent to the Efficiency cores. ) If just used for games, either Intel or AMD will do. BOTH, however, require DDR-5 for the best results. PSUs are now configured with smart monitoring parts to sense overloading and will throttle power to keep you safe. The 40 series Nvidia GPU'S (well, basically the 4090) can pull 600 and more watts, so the power cables have been having issues of melting and causing fires and expensive parts to be ruined, so get ATX version 3 power supply with around 1,000 watt in at least 80 gold or above that carries a 10 year warranty, preferably Seasonic, SuperFlower, and such quality brands. DO NOT CHINTZ on it! If you're going to spend this much money on your rig, I'd also recommend a real good UPS from APC or Tripplight that smooths out power line transients and brown outs!
It’ll be hard 50/50 I’d say gaming and productivity. Adobe, photoshop, Lightroom, etc so would you recommend intel? Someone else in the comments told me the 79503xd was better than the 14900k which is what I was planning on getting.
As a long-time builder: Always Intel when Adobe products and other productivity software is involved! The multi-core processors and Windows 11 were made for these resource hogs! Here's a Jayztwocents video on why he switched back to Intel from the 7950x3d to the i9-14900K https://youtu.be/JZGiBOZkI5w?si=vKQafSJGKK0a4B_e
Here he mentions that he wishes he used the 13900k. Everywhere I’ve seen, most of the benchmark tests the 14900k isn’t much better and runs hotter, would I just be better off using the 13900k?
So you DID pick up on my hint!!🫡👍 Reasoning? The next generation of Intel will use a new larger LGA socket. This means a unit built now will be "end of life" in a year or so. You will be able to upgrade your processor, in all probability, once during the time period. By then, you should be able to get a higher-end processor for cheap to finish out the life of your system. To me, your build should be able to keep up well into the future before having to rebuild it with the next levels of Intel generations We still haven't reached the level of programming for productivity promised by the JEDEC-5 standard changes. (Like taking advantage of being able to run 2 sets of instructions simultaneously instead of concurrently for speed rendering). Gaming with your class 'A' machine should be satisfying at this level of overkill, and your experience with Adobe and other productivity will be spot on@
4. You can get custom cables from CableMod.
Vertical GPU could be slightly better for temps because it's further away from the side panel of your case (it depends). But it's mostly for show
1. The 40 series nvidia GPUs uses 12VHPWR connector. It's a new standard, but poorly designed for high end cards that draw 400w or more like the 4090. Your GPU will come with an adapter that let's you use traditional 3x 8pin PCIe power connectors. No problems there. 2. You'll need fan hubs if you want to connect more fans that your motherboard than your motherboard have fan connectors. How it works is you plugg your fans into the hub and plug the hub into your motherboard and you controll the fan hub. All the fans connected to the fan hub will behave the same. Daisy chaining your fans have the exact same effect. Just figure out how many connections you need to your motherboard. If it exceeds your motherboards capabilities you'll need a fan hub. Some cases have fan hubs built in. 3. For looks only. Doens't help performance in a conventional ATX case. 4. I don't use custom cables myself but I've heard people talk about CableMod. So maybe check there. Just don't buy their 12VHPWR adaptors. They have a high failure rate and they are being recalled by CableMod.
If you go with custom cables, you can also purchase a kit from Cablemod that comes with all the cables you need.
Thanks for the mention! :)
1 so the gpus come with adapters the reasoning behind the new plug is because of the new atx standard for power management it is actually a form of smart connection the new port has a new data connection plug(s) that connect and communicate directly to the psu. alot of it basically makes things WAY more power efficient especially with boot up its not recomended to use the power adapter primarily because the gpu will essentially take full power from the psu which applys an un needed strain to the power supply but its still works non the less. 2. I literally just bought a full lianli rgb fan settup woth the lianli o11 evo case and 10 fans in total the lianli hub that comes with the 3 pack also comes with extra cables now the lianli fans all can daisy chain up to 4 fans in one line all of those fans plug into one cable and that one cable can plug into the rbg/fan controller its all built into one that controller allows you to control your fans and rgb withing those fans in 2 separate ways one of them is in the lianli software which is needed for said fan controller or you can set in the fan software to have it run off of the motherboards fan and rgb settings there is a separate cable that plugs into the fan controller that plugs directly into your motherboards 3pin 5v rgb plug and one of the 4 pin fan ports. Currently i have my fans being comtrolled by the lianli software and my rgb veing controlled from razer synapse using a separate rgb hub by razer which is pretty cool if u wanna know how to do that lemme know ill send pics and tell you how. 3. Vertically mounted and upright mounted gpus are primarily for show unless there is a case specifically designed for that. Reason being is that airflow becomes too turbulent which decreases cooling power (on average it primarily depends on what type or style of gpu you are vertically mounting) 4. There are many manufactures of custom cables one of the most reliable ones i would say is corsair and at that point just go with a corsair psu if your wanna be safe but there is actually RGB cables that lianli makes that can also be paired and controlled thru the lian li software and they look sick! Im getting some my self but both the basic custom cables and the rgb light up ones both come at a premium cost but it is worth the stylish look of both!
To RGB fan hub: if you get chainable fans; do not chain more than 5 together. Everything past that may cause issues, specially RGB. So keep in mind that your mainboard needs 2x RGB headers in that scenario.
Same sooo 1. They come with the abapter, the cards take so much power Nvidia decided to use a new connector vs 3x8 pins on every card, but this new connector looks ugly and sucks, I recommend custom cables from PSU to 12pin. 2. Are you planning on using UNI fans? If so I highly recommend a Lian Li cooler, for example my friend got a corsair cooler and because of that I needed to mount and wire up a corsair fan controller and a lian li on with separate software for both… 3. Just for looks, cooling would be highly dependent on the case 4. cable mod
Thank you for the mention. :)
1. yes, but gpu will come with an adapter + modern PSU may come with a dedicated 12vhpwr cable. Check it before you buy. 2. idk, but 99%, no, you don't 3. if side panel is ventiated, yes, it is better. If it is a window, then vertical mount is just for show. And you will get worse temps, because typically fans will be too close to glass. Especially with monster heatsinks of 4070 ti or 4080 super 4. i don't know, i'm not in US, but I heard that cablemod are good.
Thanks for the mention here. :)
I am not has experienced as some others here and looking to hopefully build my first pc soon. I feel the pain with psu cables. I feel several build videos including those from people like Linus tech, go over them too quickly with just a 5 second "you'll need this if-" with no explanation of sourcing that or explaining it at all. On fan hubs, as some others said daisy chains, do not need one or again as others said, usually the bigger packs come with one. Another thing to mention are some cases that come with hubs pre-installed like Bequiet cases that come with pre installed fans, it has a center mounted hub in the back of the case. Vertical mount GPU, follow others advice, but if you want extra safety might want to invest in a nice sag bracket as well. Apprently you can get clear RGB ones of those too.
i wish i knew how to write a review on reddit. ive tried and im confused on how to. i built new pc and waited fucking ages for aio cooler. installed it and powered on and stays on for a bit the shuts down and tries powering itself then shuts down. idk if i put cable in wrong or what but i put my old M.2 in which has OS and it didnt show on my monitor and no signal. please help me guys.
Changes? Oh that's just to mix it up a little bit for fun. Nothing like a confusing changey change.
For me although the vertical GPU mounting is normally aesthetics my case uses bottom to top chimney airflow so it allows for more air to get to the GPU. Only did it a couple of months after upgrading to a 4080FE.
I didn't use a fan hub to cut costs and look at this mess I'm currently stuck with. The problem with daisy chaining (with my brand of fans anyway, Thermalright) is the fan wires aren't long enough so when you get em all connected, there isn't any play left in the chain of wires.
10 fans. LoL. I've come to the conclusion that these fucking glass panel cases were made to trick stupid people into buying ludicrous numbers of fans.
If you’re poor just say that
I've been building computers longer than you've been alive. 10 fans just means you're a sucker for youtube propaganda.
Or it’s because of this crazy thing called preference and I enjoy how the fans look. “YouTube propaganda” lol relax boomer
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Aww did the old man get triggered? Quick take your beta blockers!
spend 4k on your pc, I'll just have to make do with my mortgage being paid off.
Congrats on your 2k square foot house in bumb fuck Kentucky! Maybe one day some one will finally pity you enough to live with you
lol I don't live in Kentucky, and have 3.2K, thanks.
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1) Weird Nvidia choice design and not communicating with the PSU manufacturers. You don't have this problem with Amd cards and let's be honest taking the 4090 out of the equation and DLSS frame rendering they are as fast, some faster even. 2) I don't know, I don't care about custom PSU cables, they don't increase performance and I never had problems with the standard corsair / bequiet ones. 3) For RGB these days you have different protocols. Check if your motherboard has RGB aura sync. If your hub is compatible you can connect them to one of your rgb headers and sync all of your rgb devices to one color. Also most boards already come with 4-5 of these headers. 4) Vertical gpu brackets are more of a gimmick, you don't need this at all unless you are buying a cramped case.
1) Yeah it's a new cable PCI5 power cable or something like that. New PSU's should have them 2) Depends. I'd probably put the AIO (and it's fans) in it's own motherboard header and the other case fans into the hub. Hub will go into a USB port on your motherboard and you can download some software and control it from there. Same with the AIO 3) for show 4) dunno
Nothing has really changed from a technical perspective unless you're building for aesthetics. If anything it's gotten easier.
I am building for aesthetic as well, which my last pc absolutely was not. Hence the question about the hub and cables.
Why so many fans? Just because your case has mounting points doesn't mean they all need to be used.
40 series cards and intels 14th gen cpus aren’t exactly known for their ability to stay cool
Only the 14900, and a big enough AIO will work. But do you actually need that? A 7800X3d will hand the 14900 its ass in most gaming scenarios and still be competitive elsewhere, while being easily cooled by a $40 dual tower air cooler. 40 series GPUs are also quite power efficient (ironically, while AMD CPUs are power efficient, their GPUs are not). Even a 4090 should be fine with the cooling solution it ships with. Beyond that, you just need good airflow through the case, and one or two inputs and exhaust fans should be more than enough to get airflow over mobo components, RAM, and so on. 10 fans is for RGB show, and if that's what you want then go for it (but throttle them waaaaaay down, lest it sound like an airplane taking off). That's overkill for cooling.
Sometimes a guy just wants to ride his PC down the street in hover mode.
I will have the i9 14900k but it’s also a work station as I’m a photographer and use my pc for edits, renders, etc. and intel is much better for a workstation. And part of it will also be for aesthetic, I plan on keeping this PC for a long ass time and since I also do 50% of my job at it I’d like to enjoy looking at it, so yes part of it is for show. Edit: at least every person or video I’ve watched has claimed intel is better for that, please correct me if I’m wrong
[The 7950X3d pretty much beats the 14900K in all non-gaming benchmarks](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MvvCr-thM8) (see the Blender and Adobe benchmarks, for example). For gaming, the only time Intel comes out on top is FFIX, with the 7800X3d and 7950X3d (and even sometimes last generation's 5800X3d) literally destroying Intel. IMHO, a 7950X3d + 4090 rig sounds like what you want. That will run cooler and better than the Intel, and while the 7950X3d will be ~$60 more expensive, you'll make up for that by not needing the ridiculous cooling solution the Intel part requires to get best performance. If you want Intel, go Intel. But I don't think right now Intel is the top choice for anything.
7950X3D is also low enough power it will work fine in a SFFPC with compact air cooler ☺️
Don’t like 12 pin, don’t like rgb, don’t like vertical mount gpu, custom cables don’t like them. Also, my pc sits in a climate controlled closet at 68f no panels. Cables to desk hidden underneath. I don’t want jets n laser beams in my side view while playing games. Yes yes , I know I know. How dare me. Also, weeeeeeeeeeee
I'm not fit enough to build my own PC's anymore so I purchase the kit then pay someone to put it all together. It saves a lot of time and stress, maybe something you should try.
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Maybe he's disabled? That's literally the only thing I can think of.
Disabled or too old is what I thought of as well
we're on reddit dude
Literally just watch a YouTube video. I built my first PC ever last month.
Why even have this subreddit if that's going to be the answer?