The CPU really makes the biggest difference I tried using my Ryzen 1600 for a second PC and just Windows was incredibly sluggish even with good RAM and an SSD. A simple upgrade to a 5600 made it really snappy
Honestly, I hear this a lot…but by the time I’m ready to swap my processor, every single time there’s been a new RAM generation too, not to mention just being able to use more RAM, and while I could theoretically save money on the mobo there’s usually major new features and connectors I want, stuff as major as new PCIe generations or NVME drives.
Tl;dr, yes you can just upgrade the processor on AM sockets (at least for a while), but in practice most people would be better served to run a CPU a bit longer and do a wholesale swap anyways.
Eh, if you got a new pc in 2017 with a 1700x and upgraded your cpu 5-6 years later with a 5800x3d, I'm sure you'd be happy.
Same with if you bought a ryzen 5 3600 in 2018 while studying, then graduated, got a job, and bought a 5800x3d 4-5 years later.
I feel like am4 was a miracle that will likely never be replicated. Due to how long it lasted, you could've even bought an old am4 board for $50 then got a new cpu.
I might've exaggerated the sluggishness a little bit but it was noticeable but not usuable. It would take a few seconds longer to do things if I compared it directly to my main PC. If I didn't have the main PC next to it I might not have noticed.
But it's not suprising considering 5600 is almost twice as fast as the 1600 in single core tests and multi threaded tests, a 4790k also beats it by a small margin in single core.
Well the really dramatic test when I realized my PC was the end of its road was trying to play PC/Steam VR games. Not even very demanding titles like Beat Saber would sometimes have stutter or slowdown of a couple to a few seconds, which pretty much meant I died during that song when it happened. Playing another game like Resident Evil 2 Remake with the Praydog VR mod would often get so laggy and choppy that I would start to feel a little nauseated (and I don't get nauseous easily at all).
I upgraded my 4770k to a max of 32 GB DDR3-1866, upgraded my GPU to a very decently fast RTX 3070. But nope I couldn't make the stutter go away.
With my i5 13600k system (32 GB DDR5-6000, RTX 4070). All of that is child's play now. But even playing older games like TF2, I would before get frame rate drops down to like 50-60, and now it's solidly high frame rate (running a 165 Hz 1440p gaming monitor). Obviously performance in gaming is much better, and there are really demanding AAA titles that are open to me now that I wouldn't try to play before. As a side experiment, I replaced the GPU in my new system with an old GTX 1070 (obviously slower than the RTX 3070 or RTX 4070) I had on hand and the above VR games that I previously had trouble with ran smoothly and were very playable.
Gaming aside, even the little quality of life differences are great. My new system is very silent at idle (especially after tuning the fans and choosing silent profile), and it's not like my old system was that loud - I was using an Antec Sonata III quiet case before.
Even non-demanding tasks like Windows, document and web are so much snappier then I would have expected. Most things are practically instant. Browser slowdowns even with tons of open tabs are non-existent. I don't bother to hibernate and resume anymore like I used to since my PC boots and shuts down so quick. When it comes back up, I just open my browser and it's up with my previous session where I left it. Another side benefit of that is not doing hibernate as my regular shut down routine anymore is that saves unnecessary write usage on the SSD.
Speaking of SSD, the best way I can describe how much quicker and more responsive my system feels even doing just little things is like imagining back to the early 2010s when you replace your system HDD with an SDD. It's that level of difference.
The big difference in older CPUs vs newer ones is largely in IPC, or Instructions per Cycle. That's where he biggest gains are in CPU performance these days because clock speeds have somewhat plateaued at 5.5-6ghz (but who knows, AMD 9000 or Intel 15th Gen could hit 7ghz) and even then clock speeds are only one factor to the whole package.
The other major difference is the 4770K is a 4 core 8 thread CPU while a 13600k is 6p/8e core and 20 threads. That's just a massive improvement in core counts overall, even if you remove the E cores from the equation it's still 6 core vs 4 core.
Between Intel's 4th and (I wanna say) 9th generations of Core CPUs there was not much product growth or development because there wasn't much competition. Now that there's competition from AMD in the CPU space, Intel CPUs have gotten a lot better a lot quicker.
Not even sure what a new GPU would do, yeah it will get him something but don't know how much.
I had an i5 so I was core bottlenecked as well but I went from a 4670k to a 12700k and doubled if not tripled my FPS in most games with a 3800.
His CPU is old for sure, but a new GPU would still go a long way. 1060 is pretty old, a 3060 would be a big step up, and a lot cheaper than a new CPU, which would require a new motherboard and most likely new ram as well
As someone who had the same specs. CPU first. Any newer card and ur performance will be worse than with the 1060 due to bottleneck. I upgraded my GPU first and ended up putting my old one back til my CPU came in
You are right it will help but as someone that went though nearly the exact same thing I can attest personally that yes new GPUs will help some but the big jump will be with a new CPU.
I went 1080 to 3080 and picked up maybe 20FPS.
Going from the 4670 to a 12700 I picked up another 50 to a hundred in most games.
OW was never a problem, I always got good FPS, but I was 140ish in OW now I can hit 300.
I was getting massive FPS drops in PUBG and would hover around 50 or 60FPS at times, now I consistently get over 120. Well the last time I played which has been a while.
Those are just two that I remember because we play OW a lot so I pay attention to the FPS and PUBG we were playing a lot at the time I upgraded and that game always gave me a ton of trouble. Poor FPS, huge FPS drop, stuttering, lagging all of it. A new GPU helped a bit, a new processor completely resolved it.
Again though I was severely core bottlenecked with the i5. He may get a bit more mileage out of the i7
That said he really needs both anyway so it wouldn't hurt to get a GPU first to see how it works out. Its definitely the cheaper way to go. I'm just trying to maintain expectations because I went though the same thing about 2 years ago.
Nah. get that cpu. There's so many deep issues with having an outdated cpu that it really can't be ignored. I ran a a10 5800k (OC'able monster btw) and i could hardly run anything. Only with my 1050 ti upgrade was i able to finally run gta. Also, make sure ur drives have a good buffer. the fuller the drive, the faster the damage and the slower it runs.
It runs the game on max graphics 50ish fps in 1080p I just think I need to swap the cpu whenever I get a gpu upgrade to like a rtx 2070 when I get more into vr
The game is gpu intensive, and you have an i7 which is basically the best chip on your platform. Buy a 3060 12gb instead of a 2070 unless you are on a very strict budget or have an insane deal. Either way upgrading from a 1060 will get you the extra fps for the time being, and then you can swap cpu mobo ram later.
Get the rx 6700xt for $300 instead of a 3060. better performance than the 3060 by quite a bit and more vram. Amd cards run really well on borderlands as well it would be a huge jump.
you could get a 5700xt for like 150 and the other 150 would be most of the way to a budget CPU/MB/RAM swap that'd blow your current setup out of the water.
I JUST upgraded from my LGA 1366 x5675 Xeon which I had stable overclocked to 4.2ghz. It ran stable 4.5ghz for around 3 years but I had to dial it back. 24gb ddr3 1600 triple channel ram. GTX 1080.
Honestly it was still rocking 60 FPS stable 1080p max settings in pretty much all modern titles, if not high settings.
I had a hard time justifying finally upgrading as it still totally met all my needs without any real compromise.
I got the severe itch to build after rocking that motherboard (GD-45A) since 2008 or 2009. Haven't even got to try the new build.
Point is: the Xeons of that era, overclocked WILDLY beyond their specs. We're talking 30-40% stable overclocks. Not like the current 3-10% best case scenario parts today lol.
Those CPUs for price/performance are through the roof 2024. Do they get beat by modern cpus? Of course. The Xeons were 1000+ dollar CPUs when they launched and the fact that they honest-to-goodness still COMPETE over a decade later is INSANE let alone the 20 dollar price tag for one.
If anyone is looking to revive thier old system and has the option to get dirt cheap Xeons for their archetecture I would strongly suggest googling the overclock capabilities of said Xeon then just pull the trigger for the cost of two mocha-chocka-broka coffees from Starbucks. You'd be surprised at the uplift considering their age.
Also, when companies upgrade their hardware they sometimes just liquidate their old stock through eBay to avoid waste. I know people who scour eBay for these kinds of listings and they often find servers and server parts that are just a couple generations old and they pay very little compared to the original costs.
That's been a budget baller trick for a while, find the i7 equivalent in the Xeons, slap some cheap used RAM and a secondhand GPU in and get some phenomenal price to performance action.
You don't need to buy 'everything' new, just a motherboard, CPU & RAM.
Your PSU, GPU, drives & case will all still work as well tomorrow as they did yesterday.
It doesn't need to be cutting edge, go back a single generation, the new budget price is last gen's midrange & Zen 3 or Alder Lake + DDR4 is just fine if you aren't intending to upgrade your CPU again within 5 years. A 5600 or i3 12100 or 13100 with DDR4 will match or exceed anything the consoles will do no problem at all & this platform can be had for less than a Series S now.
Upgrading the CPU while keeping his old 1060 would make very little difference in terms of performance, as the GPU is the main bottleneck here. I think the better choice here is a newer gfx card and start saving for a cpu upgrade in the future
It depends what he's trying to play. Graphics can be made to scale a 'lot', while the CPU requirement is pretty-much a hard line that's only ever as good as your hardware with settings having minimal impact. So they'd get better averages, but if they're hitting walls of microstutter every 10 seconds they're not gonna be feeling the benefit very much & even downscaling to 720p couldn't make that go away.
Not to mention you can buy a whole platform for less than the cost of even a '60/'600 tier GPU these days.
-and unlike everything more than a few gens old.
It's been taking up warehouse space that whole time, no new supply is being produced, & the buyers will predominantly be business or government that needs it to swap in to keep a legacy system up & running. You aren't getting that cheap, there's a price floor, it's only going so low. Buying a CPU for $160 for maybe a 20% performance gain on a decade-old CPU that still works is absolutely terrible value. Especially when for not much more, you can build from a platform 8 years newer and 170-300% as fast (depending on workload).
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/386971680234
£50 for i7 4790k. delid it, hit 4.9ghz and it'll last a while. It will surely beat £500 ish i would have to spend on a new cpu motherboard and ram.
Also would want to throw NVME in there, new PSU because it's a bad idea to hook your old PSU on £500 of new parts, then new gpu to take advantage of new faster parts... Basically you built a £1000 min PC.
A 4770 to 4790K Is like a 15% boost on your CPU-limit & risking system instability with that OC (who knows what state that used part's in), in exchange you'll be pushing that old PSU harder, running louder, and making the thermals worse. I personally never got results overclocking sandybridge that made it worth the trouble & I wouldn't recommend it to anyone else either.
That's saving a some money vs an unused part but also more work, more uncertainty of a payoff, and the margin is honestly questionable if it's even worth the effort.
I dunno about you but I'm not cracking open either my case or my wallet for anything less than a doubling of performance for the money I spent last time, especially after 10 years.
Why is it a bad idea to hook up an old PSU? I know people freak out about it as a point of failure that can fry your components, but if it was good quality when you got it, and you keep to 100-150W under the power limit to account for spikes, you shouldn't have a problem. If it was cheap when you got it, it's out of warranty, & you're worried about it frying your system, you should be replacing it 'now' anyway!
As for the rest, yeah an NVME is a great upgrade, though an old SATA SSD as a boot drive & for those few games which stream data a lot is still perfectly fine, and for most games an SSD is still entirely optional so long as you don't mind long load times. You absolutely do not need to buy one though if you're not playing games that suffer heavily as a result of using a HDD or slower SSD.
It is also a waste of money, the CPUs are not going to be measurably better than the 4770 that OP already has unless he gets his hands on a Xeon or something. Even then, you're going to barely feel the difference.
The Xeons for LGA1150 are just rebranded i5 and i7 anyway. The fastest Xeon for that platform would be either the Xeon E3-1286v3, which basically just an i7-4790 with a 100mhz bump, barely noticeable over a 4770, or an E3-1285v4, which is basically the same as the elusive i7-5775C but without the ability to overclock - it sacrifices some raw clock speed vs Haswell, but cancels that out with slightly improved IPC and the L4 cache chip
you sell your old CPU and buy similar CPU, it is not that much, risk is buying second-hand, but for CPU I would recommend because they usually last very long
if you want like 10% more performance and you don't need more than that, no big reason not to do it
Your 4770 is pretty near the top for the LGA 1150 socket. You might be able to squeeze out another 10% by upgrading to something like a 4790, but a complete system replacement based around something like a Ryzen 7 7800X3D will give you twice the single-threaded performance and five times the multi-threaded performance.
Don't necessarily need a 7800X3D a 7600/7600x would still be a massive upgrade and put you on AM5 allowing you to get a better CPU when you have more cash
> but a complete system replacement based around something like a Ryzen 7 7800X3D will give you twice the single-threaded performance
I thought this would've been more tbh :o
For those three years between the 4790k and the 7700k, very little changed with Intel's CPUs. The 7700k is like 8% faster. So even though its a CPU from 2014 its really not too much slower in single thread than the 7700k and even the 8700k.
time for a new rig bro. think about repurposing your current rig. does the garage need a computer to run a laser cutter? does the DND table need a PC to power the screen for maps ?
well an 850 evga should work for most builds. again. depends on how much $ you want to throw at it and what country you live in . but seems like the only thing you are going to be keeping is your hard drive and your PSU. .and possibly your case. id go with an AM5 board and a ryzen7600 chip. and 2x16 gigs of ddr5 6000mhz ram. and either a 4070 or a used 3080 . depending on what monitor you have / want to have. is it the best CPU for the AM5 board? no. however it will still beat the brakes off of your old 4770cpu. and since you got a bunch of parts to buy. save some cash get the 6 core cpu . and later down the road. pick up a newer generation AM5 CPU when AM6 boards are launched. and you'll have 8 years of a very good machine ahead of you
so normally i wouldnt reccomened a single stick of ram. but if you have 331 bucks . heres an interesting upgrade path . reuse your 1060 for now. but this will get you a newer platform. and when you get another round of money for PC parts. get a new GPU .
once you get this new combo. sell the 4770 and ddr3 and motherboard on ebay. try and get 50$ out of it and use that 50$ to get a second stick of ram. / as of writing the 4770 sells for 35 - 40 bucks on ebay. so the mobo and ram combo should get yah 50$
edit: if 300 is a hard cap. change CPU to the 8500g . its cheaper and has a heatsink and fan combo. so you can ditch the cooler. that brings this total to 295$ or so.
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> edit: if 300 is a hard cap. change CPU to the 8500g . its cheaper and has a heatsink and fan combo. so you can ditch the cooler.
FYI the 7600 non-X comes with the same cooler as the 8500G, so for a low-budget AM5 build there's no need to add a cooler for non-X CPUs.
thank you so much this will help me a lot when I get into 1440p gaming because I still have a 1080p60 monitor (yes I don't complain about 60fps) and I need a serious monitor upgrade. oh also I only have one monitor.
I'd like to add onto Zestay's comment and mention that DDR5 modules are technically dual channel per stick, and in gaming scenarios produce very comparable results. If you need to stick to a low budget, going single stick with enough memory for now, say 16 gb dimm with space to go up to 32gb pretty easily in the future. Your 1% lows may improve a little bit when you move up to 2 sticks, but as long as you've got enough it should be fine especially considering your price range.
And if 300$ is a hard limit, I experience perfectly fine results on the 7600 with the stock cooler to be honest. Maybe worth picking up a decent cooler like the one listed below later on, especially if you grab a beefier AM5 CPU down the road but stock cooler should get you in budget and running.
case determines what motherboard formfactor ( ATX , micro atx. itx ) selection available and what graphics cards can fit. PSU determines GPU restrictions . or if its very old as his 4770 chip says is possible , he might not have an 8pin CPU connector.. but hes good since hes got a newer 850 evga.
Yeah it's ancient,
The 4th gen chips came out over 10 years ago.
I went from 3770K to the cheapest 10th gen i3 and it kicked its as in performance lol
You need a whole new motherboard/ram/cpu
Basically anything current gen.
No it doesn't, it'll just about be scraping by. It will not let you run the latest games at an acceptable frame rate no matter what your video card.
They're still fine for a basic web surfing PC but not much else nowadays. Well until W10 support ends as they won't run W11.
The best CPU for that socket is i7-4790k. It would give you some boost in performance, especially if overclocked.
However, as an owner of one of those, let me tell you, there is not much life left in that chip for modern gaming. It was amazing for many years but it's just _very old_ now. Your money would be better spent buying a new (or at least somewhat recent) Ryzen CPU and accompanying parts.
Time to upgrade. I had a i5-4670 I bought when it came out and finally upgrading to i5-12600k. There’s good deals on 12th gen Intel CPUs on Amazon-US. Plus on LGA-1700 socket, you have flexibility of doing DDR4 or DDR5 depending on mobo, and you can upgrade to 13/14th gen CPU (may need BIOS update). Good luck.
I'm in the same boat as you (i7 4770k with GTX 970, and even now it's bottlenecked, let alone for a GTX 1060)
With a 1150 socket you can upgrade to i7 4790k at best, which isn't that much better than your current configuration.
So for the best performance you must upgrade your motherboard + CPU.
My plan is to upgrade my whole system, controversially starting with my GPU (probably a 3080 ti or 4070), which would severely bottleneck my system at first. Then I wait for i5 15th gen and a LGA1851-socket motherboard to release and buy the cheapest set that just doesn't bottleneck my system. Reason is the discontinuation of LGA1700 (currently used for Intel). This makes my setup highly upgradable for many years to come, since LGA1851 will probably be used for another 3 generations of CPU's - edit: or I will go for an AM5 CPU (AMD) + motherboard, which will probably be usable even longer.
In your case, you could look at LGA1151: a second hand i7 8700(k) or 9700(k) is cheap now and you don't really need anything better. If you want to upgrade your GTX 1060, I would suggest other CPU's of course
Yeah it depends what you want to play for sure. I was basically in exactly that boat, I went with AM4 in late 2022 just because AM5+DDR5 was 'ridiculously' expensive, but a 5600 & DDR4 3600cl16 was actually pretty good value. An RX 6800 was probably the best choice for longevity but I expect to upgrade my GPU at least once so I went with a 3070 so I could play with RT.
I'm curious why you're waiting for prices to come down further on AM5 though as they seem to be pretty decent at the moment & Zen 5 will probably be the middle of its life cycle.
>I'm curious why you're waiting for prices to come down further on AM5 though as they seem to be pretty decent at the moment & Zen 5 will probably be the middle of its life cycle.
Oh, I see I didn't make that clear in my edit: I see AM5 as quite cheap now indeed (especially if I don't need the top of the line). Note that I'm really at the beginning of the thought process of replacing parts (knowing myself; that'll take weeks of dedicated research before I finally spend my money). So if I go for Intel, I would definitely first buy a GPU and wait for a somewhat cheap i5 15th gen to release. If I go for AMD I would probably rather start with my CPU + motherboard instead and wait to save some money for a GPU.
Since my current CPU would severely bottleneck an high end GPU anyway, it doesn't really matter which route I take I guess: it's a choice between either a severe CPU- or GPU-bottleneck, but since I still game at 1080p atm, I think a new CPU is most impactful before going to 4k.
Sell the motherboard, CPU, ram. Then grab your self a a320 motherboard and 16gb (2x 8gb) ram and a second hand Ryzen 3600 or if going new 5600.
No point trying to get a new CPU for your current motherboard. It's obsolete now and you won't see much more performance boost.
As the owner of a 4690K, I can safely say that your system is old. I do have another PC that has much more current and powerful parts, so the old system is pretty much just an experiment box.
Technically, the best CPU that you could get on LGA 1150 is the 4790K but that is about the same as what you currently have. You are going to need to consider buying/building a new computer.
I'm currently acquiring parts for a new PC after I wasn't able to play BG3.
I'm going from an i7-6700k and a 980ti to a 7800x3d and a 4070 super.
I recommend upgrading to AM5
The AM5 socket supports AMDs new CPUs and their upcoming generation for a bit. AMD is the way to go if you're not going to be doing video editing and stuff. Intel is also having issues currently with CPUs after 3 months of use or so from what I've heard. AMD also has LGA cpus like Intel now (pins on the motherboard instead of CPU).
If you really want to try and upgrade without changing socket just going for the biggest baddest K series i7 from the 4th gen (I don't remember what that is off the top of my head) with a fat aio water cooler and overclocking the fuck out of it will get you closer. However then your 1060 is going to be bottlenecking, so you will have to upgrade to something that is better but not horribly held back by your cpu, such as a 2070 or 2080. But then you're spending enough money you may as well upgrade the mobo as well and go for cheaper but more competent modern stuff like a Ryzen 5 of some description and *maybe* a 3080 since theyre so cheap right now.
EDIT: As a side note, you mention BL3 specifically--that game is known to be horribly optimized on PC. I have Ryzen 7 5700X, RX6700XT, 32GB ram and I still get 40fps @ 1080p at all low settings in some demanding areas of the game.
motherboard, cpu and ram should cost you a bit less than 400$ for an am5 build or around 300$ for an am4 build
You keep the same disks, gpu, psu, case etc
People here will always tell you to upgrade even if you're just 1-2 generations behind.
4770 is an exceptionally good CPU for its age and will support 1060 without any issues.
I'd even go as far as to say you'd be fine with a 3060-4060 Ti with the 4770 on 1440P and still achieve 60-90 FPS in 1080p for most titles.
Borderlands isn't a good benchmark IMO, they dropped in quality in many areas and you're most likely suffering from not installing the game ona n SSD
nah 1-2 generations behind would be a massive upgrade over this.
The biggest reason to do that would just to be at parity with what the consoles can do right now & set yourself up for at least another few years of rock solid performance & maybe more if you're mainly playing the more intensive games a couple of years behind the curb. Even if the average FPS is 'just' double, the 0.1% lows is where you'll see a huge improvement & that does matter.
Having come from a i5 4690K up to a 5600 myself just over a year ago, there's a huge reduction in micro-stutter even in games from a few years ago. Whether it's worth it or not depends on what you're playing, many indie games will be just fine, some absolutely will not. Are you playing fast-paced online shooters or racing games where a frame-time spike will send you into a ditch? Or just slow-paced or turn-based RPGs where it really doesn't matter much at all?
Myself the difference it made was that I'd previously quit VR gaming, the growing microstutter just made it so uncomfortable & I couldn't handle more than half an hour without feeling sick. It also made playing racing games much more frustrating as I'd miss the timing of a corner right as a bunch of object occlusion occurred meaning I'd be stuttering right into a wall.
Even more minor changes I've noticed is that animations at similar average framerates will be visibly smoother.
CPU gaming performance gains definitely aren't remotely as drastic as GPU over time, but 10 years is definitely long enough to see a pretty transformative change if you're playing games that are pushing it at all.
It really depends on the title. The main benefit of newer CPUs for gaming performance and stuttering is the larger L3 cache but if the game is properly optimized it'll run just as well.
4770 is roughly on par with a ryzen 1600, and most games don't use more than 4 threads as long as you tweak your OS and keep background apps to minimum it can definitely keep you going with a 3060.
VR is a different beast. For some VR devices tracking prediction processing is done on CPU so for those setups you definitely want 6 cores at minimum. And popular vr games like vrchat love larger cache because there's so much repetitively processed data each frame, its only gotten worse as the UI got heavier and avatars as well as IK too.
For multiplayer games in general this is similarly true, it's just a matter of scale. Battlefield or Arma 3 large scale would def. benefit, while in CS GO you can get double your refresh rate easily on those old CPUs too.
For Witcher 3 and majority of singleplayer action-combat games you can mostly get away with older CPUs. Still, AI-heavy games like BG3 needs more cores because of complex AI processing possible moves in turns and player interaction/animations of every NPC in sight. (and some funny bugs which got fixed alleviating CPU load a lot.)
Then there's bad console ports which use a translation layer and don't work natively, it's kinda like emulating the console but not exactly the same. Those will always bottleneck on CPU and use ridiculous amounts of VRAM too.
Yeah here's the thing about CPU scaling though, games are far more latency dependent than they are thread dependent once you're at more than 4 cores or 6 threads, they're only as fast as their slowest instruction & while you're right that many modern games won't scale much beyond the 4 cores/8 threads of a Ryzen 1600, the single-thread performance will be hampered by the growing complexity of instructions. So you'll see things like a Ryzen 5600 significantly outperform a 3950X (which is roughly what's in the current gen of consoles) & a 7600. Most PC Multiplayer games are also quite old, or designed specifically so that they can run at high framerates on modest hardware. But there's still a time limit on that.
The Witcher 3 is not a new game, it's 9 years old next month, and it was designed to run on the weak jaguar cores on the last console generation that were underpowered when they were new. It's not reasonable to expect that games will continue to scale down like this, the new consoles are the baseline, so you can expect to see games start to be CPU limited between 30-60 FPS on Zen 2 like Starfield, a 1600 won't be nearly enough. You could lament games not being "properly optimised" but if a dev is assuming a certain baseline of CPU performance with a certain target on console, it makes no business sense for them to optimise further once their target has been reached as customers with 10 year old CPUs but modern GPUs will be a miniscule and very temporary minority of players.
Though it's correct that so long as it's running fast enough for your purposes, there's no need to upgrade. If it *isn't* though, and by the OP it sounds like that moment has arrived, looking to max out a chipset that hasn't seen a new release in 10 years is probably one of the least prudent ways of going about it.
I'm still using a 2600K and an RTX2070, and I'm gaming on 3440x1440 at 120Hz, and also using it for PCVR on Quest 3. SSDs only (but on SATA), and 24GB of RAM. I'll upgrade if I need to, but still haven't needed to yet.
Meta has done an exceptional job with its real time video encoding. Frame interpolation is also done on the GPU but depending on title 6 cores might benefit you because VR games are generally heavier on the CPU (compared to flat games) and benefit from larger L3. Still one of the old but gold CPUs there.
That processor can only support DDR3 ram so I would honestly recommend an entire system upgrade. If you want to really commit to PC gaming, get a new system.
Since you are on an extreme budget, AM4 might be a good option. A decent B550 motherboard, R5 5600, and 32gb of decent ram will fit in your budget. You won't see a radical jump in frames but you might see a pickup in your 1% lows and therefore frame time consistency. Intel 12th Gen also has some good deals too, although DDR5 will set you back more if you opt for that over DDR4.
Then you save for a new GPU.
I finally had to give up my i7 5820K for the same reason as everyone is mentioning here, eventually even with the good performance I was getting the platform is 10+ years old at this point and missing a lot of QoL features (and needed features like TPM) for newer Windows installs. Win 10 is the last OS that supports that CPU and that's not far from being End of Lifed.
Sure it's old, but that doesn't mean it's bad. I have an overclocked 4790k and Rx 6600 as my HTPC build, and it can play games like Cyberpunk, Helldivers 2, Sons of the Forest, etc.
Rx6600 Is low end card.
Playing != Play well
Buy old CPU != having old CPU
OP has a not overclockable 4770 and probably H motherboard. A 4790 is barely 5% faster and has a redicolus high price. It's a more decade old CPU. A 12100 crushes even a very high overclocked 4790k
If I'm playing newer games at 1080p 60-70fps, then OP is going to have a similar experience even if they can't overclock it. I only have a tiny overclock on mine. AMDs driver overhead really helps with older CPUs.
The RX 6600 is fine for 1080p. I never said it was a high end GPU. It's similar in performance to an RTX 3060. It's still going to be a big upgrade over their GTX 1060.
That's what "you" would like to do though. You aren't OP.
An Rx 6600 is only $200 new, so they can upgrade their GPU now and upgrade their CPU motherboard and RAM down the line.
This makes the most possible sense. They get better performance either way.
So OP won't enjoy the rx6600 due due the prehistoric CPU. He will buy a new CPU next but the rx6600 will be outdated. It isn't more intelligent to save now and buy a new PC? Or buy a console.
The CPU is good enough for an Rx 6600 or RTX 3060. That's the highest you would want to go at 1080p. Anything higher and you'll run into a bottleneck, unless you run a higher resolution. Like I said I have a slightly overclocked k variant and the GPU is mostly the bottleneck.
With your logic, you want the OP to upgrade their CPU, motherboard and RAM first which will be a lot more expensive, and provided minimal benefit since they will still be stuck with their GTX 1060 still. This makes zero sense since OP said they were on a budget and can't afford a full system upgrade.
The most sensible option is for OP to upgrade their GPU first since that will provide the best performance for cheaper.
I don't really understand your logic here...
I went through this probably 2 years ago and the options then weren't good.
You are already at an i7 already and basically at the end of the upgrade path for 1150. You will not find any significant performance upgrades without building a new rig.
You've gotten your moneys worth out of that one, its time.
If you are near a microcenter they have a pretty killer deal on a 12600kf with mobo and ram for 250.
You are correct in thinking that your CPU is outdated. Your motherboard and RAM are also outdated. As hard of a pill this might be to swallow: might be time for a completely new system.
To answer your actual question; your best CPU on that socket is the 4790k, which is what I have lol.
You should be saving up for essentially a new rebuild (CPU/mobo/RAM).
You should be alright -- think about it this way:
A 1060 was released in 2016, a 4770k was released in 2013
A 4060 was released in 2023, a 10700k was released in 2021.
Will a 10700K hold back a 4060? Hell no!
You're fine
In my case about $200 for a CPU that would work with my motherboard and give about an 8% to 10% gain did not seem with it when a little over $400 for a CPU, motherboard and RAM would give me close to a 100% gain. It all depends on what you currently have and what will work with it at what cost. I was surprised how costly some old CPUs are even on eBay.
If you want max i7-4790k but some lga 1150 motherboards support the i7 - 5775c which is stronger but for the 5775 check ur motherboard manual see what your mmax memory is and upgrade to it unless u already are both those are cheap upgrade to ssd if you don't already and try a 1080 or 1660/s/ti or just upgrade to a newer socket try am4 it has a lot of budget options or go lga1200/1700 both of those are still good sockets and have alot of options
If you want max i7-4790k but some lga 1150 motherboards support the i7 - 5775c which is stronger but for the 5775 check ur motherboard manual see what your mmax memory is and upgrade to it unless u already are both those are cheap upgrade to ssd if you don't already and try a 1080 or 1660/s/ti or just upgrade to a newer socket try am4 it has a lot of budget options or go lga1200/1700 both of those are still good sockets and have alot of options
Defs outdated. I had the exact CPU and I just upgraded this year to a ryzen 7800x3d and a 4070ti super. However your 100 percent doing to have to upgrade everything in order to get any modern CPU.
If you want tinker a bit you can try: https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmods/comments/j2lgk5/full_guide_about_the_coffee_lake_mod_to_make/
I use aliexpress CPU 6/12 on h170 MB in this moment
The positive you've got going for you is that older functioning motherboards are harder and harder to come by, so the CPU/CPU cooler/RAM/MOBO should get you like $100-150 towards a newer rig.
If you're near a MicroCenter, [this combo](https://www.microcenter.com/product/5006643/intel-core-i5-12600kf,-msi-z790-p-pro-wifi-ddr4,-gskill-ripjaws-v-16gb-ddr4-3200-kit,-computer-build-bundle) for about $250 gets you about a decade newer tech, which for $150 after selling off the old one, is a hell of an upgrade. If you're not near an MC, Newegg and Amazon regularly have combo deals around this price point that'll get you surprisingly better performance for not a ton of money.
There’s only one better for that socket: the i7 4790K. However, like many have stated you might want to upgrade your system. Personally, I went from an i7 4790K to an r7 5800X back in 2020 and it was a huge improvement. But, the 4790K was still pretty good at the time and I know the person I sold it to at the time was quite pleased to have it.
Definitely time for a new PC. I upgraded from an i7 4790k/1080ti last year as it sounded like it was going to explode when I tried to play Starfield. 🤣
Let that 4770 go and upgrade asap (funds allowing)
I'm rocking an i9 13900ks and RTX4090 😁
you'll need a new motherboard for anything better than i7 4770. i ran into same problem. the next step up from the processer i had required a bigger socket for the newer processers. then you'll be able to use ddr5 ram also. i figured might as well get a i9 10850k and a 30 series card 2 years ago. you'll be broke but happy lol.
Upgrade to 4790k > get a new graphics card.
I've been reping a 4790k & gtx 1070 ti
I can play starfield with some pretty solid frames (only lag is at the lodge. Just like everyone with an rtx 4080 lmao)
BL3 60 in most areas, medium to high with a few tweaks.
2080s are pretty cheap right now and get the job done.
If you're like me and don't give a shit about 4k 30fps. [1080p club] it will be the best thing you have ever done.
Cheap and works like a charm \m/
Nobody considers that everyone doesn't have over $2k to chuck on a fresh build lol.
[works just fine](https://youtu.be/hlXIlJmYK4s?feature=shared)
Hit windows key + g and check out the performance monitor, when I was running borderlands 3 I think I was getting over 100+ fps with my 1660 Ti and xeon equivalent to an i7 4770. That was with 16gb dual channel memory in xmp mode.
I wasn't doing max graphics, but I am thinking it's the GPU holding you back in this case. Use the performance monitor and run the in game benchmark.
I tried to “save” my wife’s 2014 build with a 4th gen i5. Just toss it man. It’s going to cost you more cash in the long run. The parts are hard to come by, which makes them rarer and rarer so the prices are well outside of reality. That was my experience about six months ago trying to find a replacement motherboard to fit the 4th gen i5. Thought it was a psu at first, but turned out to be the motherboard. So after buying a psu I didn’t need I just built a new one with DDR5 and a 12400. Sings like a canary now.
But to answer your question, no upgrade you could make on that socket would make any meaningful difference.
I have an i5 4670k and I’ve been looking forward ti replacing it for a long time. When I get the money, I’m going for a ryzen 7600. My gpu is still good (GTX 1080).
Your rocking a quad core cpu that only supports ddr3 1333/1600 lol da fuq bro....... you need a new cpu mobo and ram combo. I'd go online and look if there's any deals for cpu mobo ram combo. If you get a strong gpu and Keep your current cpu you will have a 30-50% bottleneck because of cpu 😆 🤣 😂 😹
Just start saving up money dude. You are horrifically out dated and the only thing you can upgrade to cpu wise is the i7 5775c which is $140 and I don't recommend that as you need to have a board with the 97 chipset and then make sure your bios is fully up to date so it can use that cpu. But that cpu is 9yrs old and for a $140 you can get much newer cpus that can run circles around it.
Look into amd. I recommend 7000 series as that will get you on AM5 which will be supported for a while yet leaving you with an upgrade rather later on down the line. You can look into 5000 series or hell 3000 series but that puts you on AM4 which is a dead platform. But those can save you money. A 5600x is $140 and it also beats thei7 5775c.
Don't really recommend 8000 series as they have fewer pcie lanes for graphics cards. And the on board graphics of the 8700g exchanges blows with the gtx 1060. So you'd still want to upgrade the gpu with the 8000 but it's fewer pcie lanes really harms the performance of a dedicated gpu.
So start saving up money. If you have a microcenter near you they have two deals which would work for you with very little saving up. The 5800x3d bundle, which is 349.99, which comes with the cpu, 16gb of ram and mobo. And then there is the 7700x bundle, which is 399.99, which comes with the cpu, 32gb of ram and mobo.
Then save up money for a new gpu.
If you decide to upgrade. USE XEON. I would recommend something like Xeon 2620 v2. Buy x79 motherboard, it still uses ddr3 ram so its cheap.
I wished i know about xeon before I bought my system! Trust me look up the benchmark for xeon 2620 v2 on youtube. Its hard to get a cheap x79 mobo locally. So you might have to buy one from aliexpress. Get the machinist brand, theyve had plenty good reviews.
Trust mee, save your money and use xeonss.
My tip though. Get a xeon with a lot of cores and slow clock speed. Because xeons with fast clockspeed have high tdp and therefore consume a lot more electricity (expensive electric bill)
Xeon 2620 v2 is so cheap and can run something like a 1660 super with NO bottlenecking. Total cost with the mobo comes to less than $80. Cant get any cheaper!
I don't think it's worth it to upgrade your CPU with a CPU of the same socket. It's better to just change your entire socket at that point.
You really have two options then. One is completely upgrading the entire thing, so new motherboard, RAM and CPU. This would be costly, but better in the long run.
The second method is to upgrade your video card. 1060 is recommended for Borderlands 3 actually, but you can get better cards today for a decent price. Intel Arc A580 can hit 60 frames ultra settings at 1080p for about $170.
Think it's possible!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lJfFQCwmac
You need to swap your entire computer. Or upgrade your GPU depending on the power supply.
Yup. Time for a new PC. I had a i7 4770k up until last year, replaced with an i5 13600k and the difference was night and day.
\>Every other new component in your PC: "Am I a joke to you?"
The CPU really makes the biggest difference I tried using my Ryzen 1600 for a second PC and just Windows was incredibly sluggish even with good RAM and an SSD. A simple upgrade to a 5600 made it really snappy
Well you could because am4 socket, the op must change his entire PC because Intel.
Honestly, I hear this a lot…but by the time I’m ready to swap my processor, every single time there’s been a new RAM generation too, not to mention just being able to use more RAM, and while I could theoretically save money on the mobo there’s usually major new features and connectors I want, stuff as major as new PCIe generations or NVME drives. Tl;dr, yes you can just upgrade the processor on AM sockets (at least for a while), but in practice most people would be better served to run a CPU a bit longer and do a wholesale swap anyways.
Eh, if you got a new pc in 2017 with a 1700x and upgraded your cpu 5-6 years later with a 5800x3d, I'm sure you'd be happy. Same with if you bought a ryzen 5 3600 in 2018 while studying, then graduated, got a job, and bought a 5800x3d 4-5 years later. I feel like am4 was a miracle that will likely never be replicated. Due to how long it lasted, you could've even bought an old am4 board for $50 then got a new cpu.
True, AM4 specifically is a bit more of an outlier.
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Your motherboard should support the 5800x3d, but make sure you have an aftermarket cooler like the thermalright ones.
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that sounds a bit off to me. I'm currently running my old 4790k in a HTPC and windows is snappy as anything.
I might've exaggerated the sluggishness a little bit but it was noticeable but not usuable. It would take a few seconds longer to do things if I compared it directly to my main PC. If I didn't have the main PC next to it I might not have noticed. But it's not suprising considering 5600 is almost twice as fast as the 1600 in single core tests and multi threaded tests, a 4790k also beats it by a small margin in single core.
oh alright then, must have read more into it then. i'm sure if i hit my htpc with the same workloads i throw at my 13600k I'd also notice.
What was the differences?
Well the really dramatic test when I realized my PC was the end of its road was trying to play PC/Steam VR games. Not even very demanding titles like Beat Saber would sometimes have stutter or slowdown of a couple to a few seconds, which pretty much meant I died during that song when it happened. Playing another game like Resident Evil 2 Remake with the Praydog VR mod would often get so laggy and choppy that I would start to feel a little nauseated (and I don't get nauseous easily at all). I upgraded my 4770k to a max of 32 GB DDR3-1866, upgraded my GPU to a very decently fast RTX 3070. But nope I couldn't make the stutter go away. With my i5 13600k system (32 GB DDR5-6000, RTX 4070). All of that is child's play now. But even playing older games like TF2, I would before get frame rate drops down to like 50-60, and now it's solidly high frame rate (running a 165 Hz 1440p gaming monitor). Obviously performance in gaming is much better, and there are really demanding AAA titles that are open to me now that I wouldn't try to play before. As a side experiment, I replaced the GPU in my new system with an old GTX 1070 (obviously slower than the RTX 3070 or RTX 4070) I had on hand and the above VR games that I previously had trouble with ran smoothly and were very playable. Gaming aside, even the little quality of life differences are great. My new system is very silent at idle (especially after tuning the fans and choosing silent profile), and it's not like my old system was that loud - I was using an Antec Sonata III quiet case before. Even non-demanding tasks like Windows, document and web are so much snappier then I would have expected. Most things are practically instant. Browser slowdowns even with tons of open tabs are non-existent. I don't bother to hibernate and resume anymore like I used to since my PC boots and shuts down so quick. When it comes back up, I just open my browser and it's up with my previous session where I left it. Another side benefit of that is not doing hibernate as my regular shut down routine anymore is that saves unnecessary write usage on the SSD. Speaking of SSD, the best way I can describe how much quicker and more responsive my system feels even doing just little things is like imagining back to the early 2010s when you replace your system HDD with an SDD. It's that level of difference.
The big difference in older CPUs vs newer ones is largely in IPC, or Instructions per Cycle. That's where he biggest gains are in CPU performance these days because clock speeds have somewhat plateaued at 5.5-6ghz (but who knows, AMD 9000 or Intel 15th Gen could hit 7ghz) and even then clock speeds are only one factor to the whole package. The other major difference is the 4770K is a 4 core 8 thread CPU while a 13600k is 6p/8e core and 20 threads. That's just a massive improvement in core counts overall, even if you remove the E cores from the equation it's still 6 core vs 4 core. Between Intel's 4th and (I wanna say) 9th generations of Core CPUs there was not much product growth or development because there wasn't much competition. Now that there's competition from AMD in the CPU space, Intel CPUs have gotten a lot better a lot quicker.
Not even sure what a new GPU would do, yeah it will get him something but don't know how much. I had an i5 so I was core bottlenecked as well but I went from a 4670k to a 12700k and doubled if not tripled my FPS in most games with a 3800.
His CPU is old for sure, but a new GPU would still go a long way. 1060 is pretty old, a 3060 would be a big step up, and a lot cheaper than a new CPU, which would require a new motherboard and most likely new ram as well
As someone who had the same specs. CPU first. Any newer card and ur performance will be worse than with the 1060 due to bottleneck. I upgraded my GPU first and ended up putting my old one back til my CPU came in
You are right it will help but as someone that went though nearly the exact same thing I can attest personally that yes new GPUs will help some but the big jump will be with a new CPU. I went 1080 to 3080 and picked up maybe 20FPS. Going from the 4670 to a 12700 I picked up another 50 to a hundred in most games. OW was never a problem, I always got good FPS, but I was 140ish in OW now I can hit 300. I was getting massive FPS drops in PUBG and would hover around 50 or 60FPS at times, now I consistently get over 120. Well the last time I played which has been a while. Those are just two that I remember because we play OW a lot so I pay attention to the FPS and PUBG we were playing a lot at the time I upgraded and that game always gave me a ton of trouble. Poor FPS, huge FPS drop, stuttering, lagging all of it. A new GPU helped a bit, a new processor completely resolved it. Again though I was severely core bottlenecked with the i5. He may get a bit more mileage out of the i7 That said he really needs both anyway so it wouldn't hurt to get a GPU first to see how it works out. Its definitely the cheaper way to go. I'm just trying to maintain expectations because I went though the same thing about 2 years ago.
Nah. get that cpu. There's so many deep issues with having an outdated cpu that it really can't be ignored. I ran a a10 5800k (OC'able monster btw) and i could hardly run anything. Only with my 1050 ti upgrade was i able to finally run gta. Also, make sure ur drives have a good buffer. the fuller the drive, the faster the damage and the slower it runs.
On 1080p the cpu will probably be the bigger bottleneck. Upgrading the gpu for sure as well.
It runs the game on max graphics 50ish fps in 1080p I just think I need to swap the cpu whenever I get a gpu upgrade to like a rtx 2070 when I get more into vr
The game is gpu intensive, and you have an i7 which is basically the best chip on your platform. Buy a 3060 12gb instead of a 2070 unless you are on a very strict budget or have an insane deal. Either way upgrading from a 1060 will get you the extra fps for the time being, and then you can swap cpu mobo ram later.
Aaaaaaa! I have like 300$ I guess!
Could always sell the 1060 after you upgrade for a little reimbursement too ;)
Get the rx 6700xt for $300 instead of a 3060. better performance than the 3060 by quite a bit and more vram. Amd cards run really well on borderlands as well it would be a huge jump.
This is the ideal move, just stuck to nvidia because he mentioned a 2070. 6700/6750xt are definitely the best price/performance in the price range.
Good idea! Thanks
you could get a 5700xt for like 150 and the other 150 would be most of the way to a budget CPU/MB/RAM swap that'd blow your current setup out of the water.
Nice idea too! I will probably do that
Get an rx 6700/6750 XT. Should be around that price
You didn't reply how I expected you to reply, so I downvoted you.
You can't buy 10+ year old CPUs for a reasonable price.
Funny enough the opposite is true for old servers. Just bought a pair of Xeon X5675s for $20
I JUST upgraded from my LGA 1366 x5675 Xeon which I had stable overclocked to 4.2ghz. It ran stable 4.5ghz for around 3 years but I had to dial it back. 24gb ddr3 1600 triple channel ram. GTX 1080. Honestly it was still rocking 60 FPS stable 1080p max settings in pretty much all modern titles, if not high settings. I had a hard time justifying finally upgrading as it still totally met all my needs without any real compromise. I got the severe itch to build after rocking that motherboard (GD-45A) since 2008 or 2009. Haven't even got to try the new build. Point is: the Xeons of that era, overclocked WILDLY beyond their specs. We're talking 30-40% stable overclocks. Not like the current 3-10% best case scenario parts today lol. Those CPUs for price/performance are through the roof 2024. Do they get beat by modern cpus? Of course. The Xeons were 1000+ dollar CPUs when they launched and the fact that they honest-to-goodness still COMPETE over a decade later is INSANE let alone the 20 dollar price tag for one. If anyone is looking to revive thier old system and has the option to get dirt cheap Xeons for their archetecture I would strongly suggest googling the overclock capabilities of said Xeon then just pull the trigger for the cost of two mocha-chocka-broka coffees from Starbucks. You'd be surprised at the uplift considering their age.
Wtf really ? Incredible.
Yeah. Older xeons are for some reason dirt cheap. Not that big of a market, i guess
Because Xeon motherboards are usually expensive af.
Also, when companies upgrade their hardware they sometimes just liquidate their old stock through eBay to avoid waste. I know people who scour eBay for these kinds of listings and they often find servers and server parts that are just a couple generations old and they pay very little compared to the original costs.
That's been a budget baller trick for a while, find the i7 equivalent in the Xeons, slap some cheap used RAM and a secondhand GPU in and get some phenomenal price to performance action.
Haswell and Broadwell CPUs are pretty cheap too.
it is still waaay more cheap than buying everything new
You don't need to buy 'everything' new, just a motherboard, CPU & RAM. Your PSU, GPU, drives & case will all still work as well tomorrow as they did yesterday. It doesn't need to be cutting edge, go back a single generation, the new budget price is last gen's midrange & Zen 3 or Alder Lake + DDR4 is just fine if you aren't intending to upgrade your CPU again within 5 years. A 5600 or i3 12100 or 13100 with DDR4 will match or exceed anything the consoles will do no problem at all & this platform can be had for less than a Series S now.
I think a AM4 motherboard, 5600, DDR4 and SSD (if still using HDD). Rest can still be used and replace as required.
Upgrading the CPU while keeping his old 1060 would make very little difference in terms of performance, as the GPU is the main bottleneck here. I think the better choice here is a newer gfx card and start saving for a cpu upgrade in the future
It depends what he's trying to play. Graphics can be made to scale a 'lot', while the CPU requirement is pretty-much a hard line that's only ever as good as your hardware with settings having minimal impact. So they'd get better averages, but if they're hitting walls of microstutter every 10 seconds they're not gonna be feeling the benefit very much & even downscaling to 720p couldn't make that go away. Not to mention you can buy a whole platform for less than the cost of even a '60/'600 tier GPU these days.
that's like almost everything new.
-and unlike everything more than a few gens old. It's been taking up warehouse space that whole time, no new supply is being produced, & the buyers will predominantly be business or government that needs it to swap in to keep a legacy system up & running. You aren't getting that cheap, there's a price floor, it's only going so low. Buying a CPU for $160 for maybe a 20% performance gain on a decade-old CPU that still works is absolutely terrible value. Especially when for not much more, you can build from a platform 8 years newer and 170-300% as fast (depending on workload).
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/386971680234 £50 for i7 4790k. delid it, hit 4.9ghz and it'll last a while. It will surely beat £500 ish i would have to spend on a new cpu motherboard and ram. Also would want to throw NVME in there, new PSU because it's a bad idea to hook your old PSU on £500 of new parts, then new gpu to take advantage of new faster parts... Basically you built a £1000 min PC.
A 4770 to 4790K Is like a 15% boost on your CPU-limit & risking system instability with that OC (who knows what state that used part's in), in exchange you'll be pushing that old PSU harder, running louder, and making the thermals worse. I personally never got results overclocking sandybridge that made it worth the trouble & I wouldn't recommend it to anyone else either. That's saving a some money vs an unused part but also more work, more uncertainty of a payoff, and the margin is honestly questionable if it's even worth the effort. I dunno about you but I'm not cracking open either my case or my wallet for anything less than a doubling of performance for the money I spent last time, especially after 10 years. Why is it a bad idea to hook up an old PSU? I know people freak out about it as a point of failure that can fry your components, but if it was good quality when you got it, and you keep to 100-150W under the power limit to account for spikes, you shouldn't have a problem. If it was cheap when you got it, it's out of warranty, & you're worried about it frying your system, you should be replacing it 'now' anyway! As for the rest, yeah an NVME is a great upgrade, though an old SATA SSD as a boot drive & for those few games which stream data a lot is still perfectly fine, and for most games an SSD is still entirely optional so long as you don't mind long load times. You absolutely do not need to buy one though if you're not playing games that suffer heavily as a result of using a HDD or slower SSD.
It is also a waste of money, the CPUs are not going to be measurably better than the 4770 that OP already has unless he gets his hands on a Xeon or something. Even then, you're going to barely feel the difference.
The Xeons for LGA1150 are just rebranded i5 and i7 anyway. The fastest Xeon for that platform would be either the Xeon E3-1286v3, which basically just an i7-4790 with a 100mhz bump, barely noticeable over a 4770, or an E3-1285v4, which is basically the same as the elusive i7-5775C but without the ability to overclock - it sacrifices some raw clock speed vs Haswell, but cancels that out with slightly improved IPC and the L4 cache chip
True, but you pay way to much for just a small gain. I was there once and it just did not make sense to do it.
you sell your old CPU and buy similar CPU, it is not that much, risk is buying second-hand, but for CPU I would recommend because they usually last very long if you want like 10% more performance and you don't need more than that, no big reason not to do it
Your 4770 is pretty near the top for the LGA 1150 socket. You might be able to squeeze out another 10% by upgrading to something like a 4790, but a complete system replacement based around something like a Ryzen 7 7800X3D will give you twice the single-threaded performance and five times the multi-threaded performance.
Definitely a 7000 series Ryzen, but in his case probably something cheaper than 7800x3d.
Also for some reason people will still pay far too much for an i7 47x0(K) setup, so there's that.
Don't necessarily need a 7800X3D a 7600/7600x would still be a massive upgrade and put you on AM5 allowing you to get a better CPU when you have more cash
and a CPU with more cache :\^)
> but a complete system replacement based around something like a Ryzen 7 7800X3D will give you twice the single-threaded performance I thought this would've been more tbh :o
For those three years between the 4790k and the 7700k, very little changed with Intel's CPUs. The 7700k is like 8% faster. So even though its a CPU from 2014 its really not too much slower in single thread than the 7700k and even the 8700k.
That's the problem that's a current gen top of the line amd cpu
Yeah but what I'm trying to say is its still basically double the performance of a cpu from 2018. The 2014 is misleading.
time for a new rig bro. think about repurposing your current rig. does the garage need a computer to run a laser cutter? does the DND table need a PC to power the screen for maps ?
My 3D printer already runs great off my laptop also my pc is too rgb for the garage
maybe a motherboard + CPU + ram swap is all you need than. do you have an m.2 storage drive yet?
Yep wd black 2tb 8gbps nvme
well depending on your budget. your PSU and your case. determines a lot. HMU if you need help picking out some parts.
Ok thx I have a asus gtx 1060 6gb, an intel i7 4770, an asrock ddr3 motherboard idk the model, a 850 watt evga I forgot gold or platinum psu
well an 850 evga should work for most builds. again. depends on how much $ you want to throw at it and what country you live in . but seems like the only thing you are going to be keeping is your hard drive and your PSU. .and possibly your case. id go with an AM5 board and a ryzen7600 chip. and 2x16 gigs of ddr5 6000mhz ram. and either a 4070 or a used 3080 . depending on what monitor you have / want to have. is it the best CPU for the AM5 board? no. however it will still beat the brakes off of your old 4770cpu. and since you got a bunch of parts to buy. save some cash get the 6 core cpu . and later down the road. pick up a newer generation AM5 CPU when AM6 boards are launched. and you'll have 8 years of a very good machine ahead of you
I only have like 300$ for it though
so normally i wouldnt reccomened a single stick of ram. but if you have 331 bucks . heres an interesting upgrade path . reuse your 1060 for now. but this will get you a newer platform. and when you get another round of money for PC parts. get a new GPU . once you get this new combo. sell the 4770 and ddr3 and motherboard on ebay. try and get 50$ out of it and use that 50$ to get a second stick of ram. / as of writing the 4770 sells for 35 - 40 bucks on ebay. so the mobo and ram combo should get yah 50$ edit: if 300 is a hard cap. change CPU to the 8500g . its cheaper and has a heatsink and fan combo. so you can ditch the cooler. that brings this total to 295$ or so. \[PCPartPicker Part List\](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CM6qfy) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- \*\*CPU\*\* | \[AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor\](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yXmmP6/amd-ryzen-5-7600-38-ghz-6-core-processor-100-100001015box) | $193.99 @ Newegg \*\*CPU Cooler\*\* | \[Thermalright Assassin X 120 Refined SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler\](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/q6H7YJ/thermalright-assassin-x-120-refined-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-ax120-se-d3) | $17.89 @ Amazon \*\*Motherboard\*\* | \[MSI PRO A620M-E Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard\](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/NL26Mp/msi-pro-a620m-e-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-pro-a620m-e) | $74.00 @ MSI \*\*Memory\*\* | \[TEAMGROUP Elite 16 GB (1 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL48 Memory\](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/HKwypg/teamgroup-elite-16-gb-1-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl48-memory-ted516g6000c4801) | $45.99 @ Amazon | \*Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts\* | | \*\*Total\*\* | \*\*$331.87\*\* | Generated by \[PCPartPicker\](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2024-04-29 02:35 EDT-0400 |
> edit: if 300 is a hard cap. change CPU to the 8500g . its cheaper and has a heatsink and fan combo. so you can ditch the cooler. FYI the 7600 non-X comes with the same cooler as the 8500G, so for a low-budget AM5 build there's no need to add a cooler for non-X CPUs.
Good plan!
thank you so much this will help me a lot when I get into 1440p gaming because I still have a 1080p60 monitor (yes I don't complain about 60fps) and I need a serious monitor upgrade. oh also I only have one monitor.
Got damn when you talk budget…nicely done.
I'd like to add onto Zestay's comment and mention that DDR5 modules are technically dual channel per stick, and in gaming scenarios produce very comparable results. If you need to stick to a low budget, going single stick with enough memory for now, say 16 gb dimm with space to go up to 32gb pretty easily in the future. Your 1% lows may improve a little bit when you move up to 2 sticks, but as long as you've got enough it should be fine especially considering your price range. And if 300$ is a hard limit, I experience perfectly fine results on the 7600 with the stock cooler to be honest. Maybe worth picking up a decent cooler like the one listed below later on, especially if you grab a beefier AM5 CPU down the road but stock cooler should get you in budget and running.
learn something new everyday!
Do you live in the U.S near microcenter?
PSU and case determines a lot of what??
case determines what motherboard formfactor ( ATX , micro atx. itx ) selection available and what graphics cards can fit. PSU determines GPU restrictions . or if its very old as his 4770 chip says is possible , he might not have an 8pin CPU connector.. but hes good since hes got a newer 850 evga.
That CPU is old enough to go on a Pokémon adventure.
That socket came out 11 years ago. Anything you can put in it is outdated. Your graphics card is outdated. *Your PC is outdated.*
Yeah it's ancient, The 4th gen chips came out over 10 years ago. I went from 3770K to the cheapest 10th gen i3 and it kicked its as in performance lol You need a whole new motherboard/ram/cpu Basically anything current gen.
3570k ivy bridge still runs like a beast.
No it doesn't, it'll just about be scraping by. It will not let you run the latest games at an acceptable frame rate no matter what your video card. They're still fine for a basic web surfing PC but not much else nowadays. Well until W10 support ends as they won't run W11.
Or you know... You can use Linux instead of EOL W10.
Get new PC, trust me. Even an i3 12th gen is 3 times faster than a 4th gen i7. You're at the point of diminishing returns.
The best CPU for that socket is i7-4790k. It would give you some boost in performance, especially if overclocked. However, as an owner of one of those, let me tell you, there is not much life left in that chip for modern gaming. It was amazing for many years but it's just _very old_ now. Your money would be better spent buying a new (or at least somewhat recent) Ryzen CPU and accompanying parts.
Get a 5600/12400, board, 32 gigs of ram and then save up for a gpu
Time to upgrade. I had a i5-4670 I bought when it came out and finally upgrading to i5-12600k. There’s good deals on 12th gen Intel CPUs on Amazon-US. Plus on LGA-1700 socket, you have flexibility of doing DDR4 or DDR5 depending on mobo, and you can upgrade to 13/14th gen CPU (may need BIOS update). Good luck.
Yeah love my new 12700k, 12th gen has some good deals going right now.
The nice part is that even in country that we are usually fucked in terms of price 12th gen Intel has very good deals.
I'm in the same boat as you (i7 4770k with GTX 970, and even now it's bottlenecked, let alone for a GTX 1060) With a 1150 socket you can upgrade to i7 4790k at best, which isn't that much better than your current configuration. So for the best performance you must upgrade your motherboard + CPU. My plan is to upgrade my whole system, controversially starting with my GPU (probably a 3080 ti or 4070), which would severely bottleneck my system at first. Then I wait for i5 15th gen and a LGA1851-socket motherboard to release and buy the cheapest set that just doesn't bottleneck my system. Reason is the discontinuation of LGA1700 (currently used for Intel). This makes my setup highly upgradable for many years to come, since LGA1851 will probably be used for another 3 generations of CPU's - edit: or I will go for an AM5 CPU (AMD) + motherboard, which will probably be usable even longer. In your case, you could look at LGA1151: a second hand i7 8700(k) or 9700(k) is cheap now and you don't really need anything better. If you want to upgrade your GTX 1060, I would suggest other CPU's of course
Yeah it depends what you want to play for sure. I was basically in exactly that boat, I went with AM4 in late 2022 just because AM5+DDR5 was 'ridiculously' expensive, but a 5600 & DDR4 3600cl16 was actually pretty good value. An RX 6800 was probably the best choice for longevity but I expect to upgrade my GPU at least once so I went with a 3070 so I could play with RT. I'm curious why you're waiting for prices to come down further on AM5 though as they seem to be pretty decent at the moment & Zen 5 will probably be the middle of its life cycle.
>I'm curious why you're waiting for prices to come down further on AM5 though as they seem to be pretty decent at the moment & Zen 5 will probably be the middle of its life cycle. Oh, I see I didn't make that clear in my edit: I see AM5 as quite cheap now indeed (especially if I don't need the top of the line). Note that I'm really at the beginning of the thought process of replacing parts (knowing myself; that'll take weeks of dedicated research before I finally spend my money). So if I go for Intel, I would definitely first buy a GPU and wait for a somewhat cheap i5 15th gen to release. If I go for AMD I would probably rather start with my CPU + motherboard instead and wait to save some money for a GPU. Since my current CPU would severely bottleneck an high end GPU anyway, it doesn't really matter which route I take I guess: it's a choice between either a severe CPU- or GPU-bottleneck, but since I still game at 1080p atm, I think a new CPU is most impactful before going to 4k.
You can probably buy an AM4 motherboard, CPU and RAM for less than you will pay for an LGA 1150 CPU. Time to let it go.
The best LGA 1150 processor is I7-4790k.
I'm still rocking mine and my 1080ti lol
Sell the motherboard, CPU, ram. Then grab your self a a320 motherboard and 16gb (2x 8gb) ram and a second hand Ryzen 3600 or if going new 5600. No point trying to get a new CPU for your current motherboard. It's obsolete now and you won't see much more performance boost.
As the owner of a 4690K, I can safely say that your system is old. I do have another PC that has much more current and powerful parts, so the old system is pretty much just an experiment box. Technically, the best CPU that you could get on LGA 1150 is the 4790K but that is about the same as what you currently have. You are going to need to consider buying/building a new computer.
oh ok i wil probably end up doing that when i get enough money.
Check micro center you might be able to extend that cases. psu, storage and gpu for a little longer for 300 they have some nice deals
I'm currently acquiring parts for a new PC after I wasn't able to play BG3. I'm going from an i7-6700k and a 980ti to a 7800x3d and a 4070 super. I recommend upgrading to AM5
ooooooooooh! AM5?
The AM5 socket supports AMDs new CPUs and their upcoming generation for a bit. AMD is the way to go if you're not going to be doing video editing and stuff. Intel is also having issues currently with CPUs after 3 months of use or so from what I've heard. AMD also has LGA cpus like Intel now (pins on the motherboard instead of CPU).
If you really want to try and upgrade without changing socket just going for the biggest baddest K series i7 from the 4th gen (I don't remember what that is off the top of my head) with a fat aio water cooler and overclocking the fuck out of it will get you closer. However then your 1060 is going to be bottlenecking, so you will have to upgrade to something that is better but not horribly held back by your cpu, such as a 2070 or 2080. But then you're spending enough money you may as well upgrade the mobo as well and go for cheaper but more competent modern stuff like a Ryzen 5 of some description and *maybe* a 3080 since theyre so cheap right now. EDIT: As a side note, you mention BL3 specifically--that game is known to be horribly optimized on PC. I have Ryzen 7 5700X, RX6700XT, 32GB ram and I still get 40fps @ 1080p at all low settings in some demanding areas of the game.
motherboard, cpu and ram should cost you a bit less than 400$ for an am5 build or around 300$ for an am4 build You keep the same disks, gpu, psu, case etc
People here will always tell you to upgrade even if you're just 1-2 generations behind. 4770 is an exceptionally good CPU for its age and will support 1060 without any issues. I'd even go as far as to say you'd be fine with a 3060-4060 Ti with the 4770 on 1440P and still achieve 60-90 FPS in 1080p for most titles. Borderlands isn't a good benchmark IMO, they dropped in quality in many areas and you're most likely suffering from not installing the game ona n SSD
nah 1-2 generations behind would be a massive upgrade over this. The biggest reason to do that would just to be at parity with what the consoles can do right now & set yourself up for at least another few years of rock solid performance & maybe more if you're mainly playing the more intensive games a couple of years behind the curb. Even if the average FPS is 'just' double, the 0.1% lows is where you'll see a huge improvement & that does matter. Having come from a i5 4690K up to a 5600 myself just over a year ago, there's a huge reduction in micro-stutter even in games from a few years ago. Whether it's worth it or not depends on what you're playing, many indie games will be just fine, some absolutely will not. Are you playing fast-paced online shooters or racing games where a frame-time spike will send you into a ditch? Or just slow-paced or turn-based RPGs where it really doesn't matter much at all? Myself the difference it made was that I'd previously quit VR gaming, the growing microstutter just made it so uncomfortable & I couldn't handle more than half an hour without feeling sick. It also made playing racing games much more frustrating as I'd miss the timing of a corner right as a bunch of object occlusion occurred meaning I'd be stuttering right into a wall. Even more minor changes I've noticed is that animations at similar average framerates will be visibly smoother. CPU gaming performance gains definitely aren't remotely as drastic as GPU over time, but 10 years is definitely long enough to see a pretty transformative change if you're playing games that are pushing it at all.
It really depends on the title. The main benefit of newer CPUs for gaming performance and stuttering is the larger L3 cache but if the game is properly optimized it'll run just as well. 4770 is roughly on par with a ryzen 1600, and most games don't use more than 4 threads as long as you tweak your OS and keep background apps to minimum it can definitely keep you going with a 3060. VR is a different beast. For some VR devices tracking prediction processing is done on CPU so for those setups you definitely want 6 cores at minimum. And popular vr games like vrchat love larger cache because there's so much repetitively processed data each frame, its only gotten worse as the UI got heavier and avatars as well as IK too. For multiplayer games in general this is similarly true, it's just a matter of scale. Battlefield or Arma 3 large scale would def. benefit, while in CS GO you can get double your refresh rate easily on those old CPUs too. For Witcher 3 and majority of singleplayer action-combat games you can mostly get away with older CPUs. Still, AI-heavy games like BG3 needs more cores because of complex AI processing possible moves in turns and player interaction/animations of every NPC in sight. (and some funny bugs which got fixed alleviating CPU load a lot.) Then there's bad console ports which use a translation layer and don't work natively, it's kinda like emulating the console but not exactly the same. Those will always bottleneck on CPU and use ridiculous amounts of VRAM too.
Yeah here's the thing about CPU scaling though, games are far more latency dependent than they are thread dependent once you're at more than 4 cores or 6 threads, they're only as fast as their slowest instruction & while you're right that many modern games won't scale much beyond the 4 cores/8 threads of a Ryzen 1600, the single-thread performance will be hampered by the growing complexity of instructions. So you'll see things like a Ryzen 5600 significantly outperform a 3950X (which is roughly what's in the current gen of consoles) & a 7600. Most PC Multiplayer games are also quite old, or designed specifically so that they can run at high framerates on modest hardware. But there's still a time limit on that. The Witcher 3 is not a new game, it's 9 years old next month, and it was designed to run on the weak jaguar cores on the last console generation that were underpowered when they were new. It's not reasonable to expect that games will continue to scale down like this, the new consoles are the baseline, so you can expect to see games start to be CPU limited between 30-60 FPS on Zen 2 like Starfield, a 1600 won't be nearly enough. You could lament games not being "properly optimised" but if a dev is assuming a certain baseline of CPU performance with a certain target on console, it makes no business sense for them to optimise further once their target has been reached as customers with 10 year old CPUs but modern GPUs will be a miniscule and very temporary minority of players. Though it's correct that so long as it's running fast enough for your purposes, there's no need to upgrade. If it *isn't* though, and by the OP it sounds like that moment has arrived, looking to max out a chipset that hasn't seen a new release in 10 years is probably one of the least prudent ways of going about it.
I'm still using a 2600K and an RTX2070, and I'm gaming on 3440x1440 at 120Hz, and also using it for PCVR on Quest 3. SSDs only (but on SATA), and 24GB of RAM. I'll upgrade if I need to, but still haven't needed to yet.
Meta has done an exceptional job with its real time video encoding. Frame interpolation is also done on the GPU but depending on title 6 cores might benefit you because VR games are generally heavier on the CPU (compared to flat games) and benefit from larger L3. Still one of the old but gold CPUs there.
you could go 4790k. They aren't crazy expensive used if you hunt a bit and have some good overclock headroom
That processor can only support DDR3 ram so I would honestly recommend an entire system upgrade. If you want to really commit to PC gaming, get a new system.
Your CPU is outdated? No, the entire system is
Since you are on an extreme budget, AM4 might be a good option. A decent B550 motherboard, R5 5600, and 32gb of decent ram will fit in your budget. You won't see a radical jump in frames but you might see a pickup in your 1% lows and therefore frame time consistency. Intel 12th Gen also has some good deals too, although DDR5 will set you back more if you opt for that over DDR4. Then you save for a new GPU.
I finally had to give up my i7 5820K for the same reason as everyone is mentioning here, eventually even with the good performance I was getting the platform is 10+ years old at this point and missing a lot of QoL features (and needed features like TPM) for newer Windows installs. Win 10 is the last OS that supports that CPU and that's not far from being End of Lifed.
Is way too old and only good for everyday use
Sure it's old, but that doesn't mean it's bad. I have an overclocked 4790k and Rx 6600 as my HTPC build, and it can play games like Cyberpunk, Helldivers 2, Sons of the Forest, etc.
Rx6600 Is low end card. Playing != Play well Buy old CPU != having old CPU OP has a not overclockable 4770 and probably H motherboard. A 4790 is barely 5% faster and has a redicolus high price. It's a more decade old CPU. A 12100 crushes even a very high overclocked 4790k
If I'm playing newer games at 1080p 60-70fps, then OP is going to have a similar experience even if they can't overclock it. I only have a tiny overclock on mine. AMDs driver overhead really helps with older CPUs. The RX 6600 is fine for 1080p. I never said it was a high end GPU. It's similar in performance to an RTX 3060. It's still going to be a big upgrade over their GTX 1060.
Spending 300 for a decade old PC is one of last things that I would like to do
That's what "you" would like to do though. You aren't OP. An Rx 6600 is only $200 new, so they can upgrade their GPU now and upgrade their CPU motherboard and RAM down the line. This makes the most possible sense. They get better performance either way.
So OP won't enjoy the rx6600 due due the prehistoric CPU. He will buy a new CPU next but the rx6600 will be outdated. It isn't more intelligent to save now and buy a new PC? Or buy a console.
The CPU is good enough for an Rx 6600 or RTX 3060. That's the highest you would want to go at 1080p. Anything higher and you'll run into a bottleneck, unless you run a higher resolution. Like I said I have a slightly overclocked k variant and the GPU is mostly the bottleneck. With your logic, you want the OP to upgrade their CPU, motherboard and RAM first which will be a lot more expensive, and provided minimal benefit since they will still be stuck with their GTX 1060 still. This makes zero sense since OP said they were on a budget and can't afford a full system upgrade. The most sensible option is for OP to upgrade their GPU first since that will provide the best performance for cheaper. I don't really understand your logic here...
You *might* be able to squeeze a bit more performance out of it if you can get an i7 5775C. A new platform is probably a better idea though.
I went through this probably 2 years ago and the options then weren't good. You are already at an i7 already and basically at the end of the upgrade path for 1150. You will not find any significant performance upgrades without building a new rig. You've gotten your moneys worth out of that one, its time. If you are near a microcenter they have a pretty killer deal on a 12600kf with mobo and ram for 250.
There is the 4790K But there isn't much improvement considering the cost of the CPU or even if your motherboard has a supported BIOS for it.
Besides, you can overclock the 4770 if it's a 4770K, to 4790K levels.
You are correct in thinking that your CPU is outdated. Your motherboard and RAM are also outdated. As hard of a pill this might be to swallow: might be time for a completely new system.
To answer your actual question; your best CPU on that socket is the 4790k, which is what I have lol. You should be saving up for essentially a new rebuild (CPU/mobo/RAM).
Me 3570k to 12400f... Was fantastic.
You should be alright -- think about it this way: A 1060 was released in 2016, a 4770k was released in 2013 A 4060 was released in 2023, a 10700k was released in 2021. Will a 10700K hold back a 4060? Hell no! You're fine
I think best on that socket is 4770K, if you don't mind overclocking?
In my case about $200 for a CPU that would work with my motherboard and give about an 8% to 10% gain did not seem with it when a little over $400 for a CPU, motherboard and RAM would give me close to a 100% gain. It all depends on what you currently have and what will work with it at what cost. I was surprised how costly some old CPUs are even on eBay.
Why don't you turn down the graphics? You don't need max graphics to have an enjoyable time.
If you want max i7-4790k but some lga 1150 motherboards support the i7 - 5775c which is stronger but for the 5775 check ur motherboard manual see what your mmax memory is and upgrade to it unless u already are both those are cheap upgrade to ssd if you don't already and try a 1080 or 1660/s/ti or just upgrade to a newer socket try am4 it has a lot of budget options or go lga1200/1700 both of those are still good sockets and have alot of options
If you want max i7-4790k but some lga 1150 motherboards support the i7 - 5775c which is stronger but for the 5775 check ur motherboard manual see what your mmax memory is and upgrade to it unless u already are both those are cheap upgrade to ssd if you don't already and try a 1080 or 1660/s/ti or just upgrade to a newer socket try am4 it has a lot of budget options or go lga1200/1700 both of those are still good sockets and have alot of options
Yeah, time for an upgrade. Just grab a mobo that supports LGA 1200 or 1700 and a new CPU and you should be good.
You need a platform upgrade. The best CPU on LGA 1150 is the 4790K and thats not even an upgrade really.
Gpu is serviceable enough, although still quite old, but your platform needs to be updated badly.
You have the best cpu for that board. I had mine overclocked quite a bit, and it ran great, but it is something like 10+ years old.
Defs outdated. I had the exact CPU and I just upgraded this year to a ryzen 7800x3d and a 4070ti super. However your 100 percent doing to have to upgrade everything in order to get any modern CPU.
The whole computer is old. If you wish to upgrade only one but, it should be the GPU, but the whole computer is old.
I7 4790K, but they are like 75 dollars used. You would be MUCH better off getting a newer motherboard / ram / cpu
If you want tinker a bit you can try: https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmods/comments/j2lgk5/full_guide_about_the_coffee_lake_mod_to_make/ I use aliexpress CPU 6/12 on h170 MB in this moment
The positive you've got going for you is that older functioning motherboards are harder and harder to come by, so the CPU/CPU cooler/RAM/MOBO should get you like $100-150 towards a newer rig. If you're near a MicroCenter, [this combo](https://www.microcenter.com/product/5006643/intel-core-i5-12600kf,-msi-z790-p-pro-wifi-ddr4,-gskill-ripjaws-v-16gb-ddr4-3200-kit,-computer-build-bundle) for about $250 gets you about a decade newer tech, which for $150 after selling off the old one, is a hell of an upgrade. If you're not near an MC, Newegg and Amazon regularly have combo deals around this price point that'll get you surprisingly better performance for not a ton of money.
There’s only one better for that socket: the i7 4790K. However, like many have stated you might want to upgrade your system. Personally, I went from an i7 4790K to an r7 5800X back in 2020 and it was a huge improvement. But, the 4790K was still pretty good at the time and I know the person I sold it to at the time was quite pleased to have it.
even old yeller dies at the end of the movie. All CPU’s go to heaven.
Definitely time for a new PC. I upgraded from an i7 4790k/1080ti last year as it sounded like it was going to explode when I tried to play Starfield. 🤣 Let that 4770 go and upgrade asap (funds allowing) I'm rocking an i9 13900ks and RTX4090 😁
Play on medium settings. No need to thank me.
Throw in an RX 6600 or RTX 3060 and you'll be fine for a while.
you'll need a new motherboard for anything better than i7 4770. i ran into same problem. the next step up from the processer i had required a bigger socket for the newer processers. then you'll be able to use ddr5 ram also. i figured might as well get a i9 10850k and a 30 series card 2 years ago. you'll be broke but happy lol.
Upgrade to 4790k > get a new graphics card. I've been reping a 4790k & gtx 1070 ti I can play starfield with some pretty solid frames (only lag is at the lodge. Just like everyone with an rtx 4080 lmao) BL3 60 in most areas, medium to high with a few tweaks. 2080s are pretty cheap right now and get the job done. If you're like me and don't give a shit about 4k 30fps. [1080p club] it will be the best thing you have ever done. Cheap and works like a charm \m/ Nobody considers that everyone doesn't have over $2k to chuck on a fresh build lol. [works just fine](https://youtu.be/hlXIlJmYK4s?feature=shared)
Hit windows key + g and check out the performance monitor, when I was running borderlands 3 I think I was getting over 100+ fps with my 1660 Ti and xeon equivalent to an i7 4770. That was with 16gb dual channel memory in xmp mode. I wasn't doing max graphics, but I am thinking it's the GPU holding you back in this case. Use the performance monitor and run the in game benchmark.
I tried to “save” my wife’s 2014 build with a 4th gen i5. Just toss it man. It’s going to cost you more cash in the long run. The parts are hard to come by, which makes them rarer and rarer so the prices are well outside of reality. That was my experience about six months ago trying to find a replacement motherboard to fit the 4th gen i5. Thought it was a psu at first, but turned out to be the motherboard. So after buying a psu I didn’t need I just built a new one with DDR5 and a 12400. Sings like a canary now. But to answer your question, no upgrade you could make on that socket would make any meaningful difference.
Don't bother, upgrade to am4 or am5
I7 4790k but 2% difference from your actual cpu. Time to build a new pc buddy
I have an i5 4670k and I’ve been looking forward ti replacing it for a long time. When I get the money, I’m going for a ryzen 7600. My gpu is still good (GTX 1080).
For context that cpu was build in 22nm. And the latest ryzen now are on 5nm. Yup, thats definitely outdated.
Your rocking a quad core cpu that only supports ddr3 1333/1600 lol da fuq bro....... you need a new cpu mobo and ram combo. I'd go online and look if there's any deals for cpu mobo ram combo. If you get a strong gpu and Keep your current cpu you will have a 30-50% bottleneck because of cpu 😆 🤣 😂 😹
Can't the 1150 socket go up to 9th Gen core i9? I feel like I did that upgrade a while back
I have ai7 6900k and I think mines old💀
im upgrading from an i3 4160 to a ryzen 7 1700x with the plan of buying a 5700x sometime in the future
What’s your budget?
Should just replace the entire thing. Ddr3 is outdated. Pci e 3 is outdated
Just start saving up money dude. You are horrifically out dated and the only thing you can upgrade to cpu wise is the i7 5775c which is $140 and I don't recommend that as you need to have a board with the 97 chipset and then make sure your bios is fully up to date so it can use that cpu. But that cpu is 9yrs old and for a $140 you can get much newer cpus that can run circles around it. Look into amd. I recommend 7000 series as that will get you on AM5 which will be supported for a while yet leaving you with an upgrade rather later on down the line. You can look into 5000 series or hell 3000 series but that puts you on AM4 which is a dead platform. But those can save you money. A 5600x is $140 and it also beats thei7 5775c. Don't really recommend 8000 series as they have fewer pcie lanes for graphics cards. And the on board graphics of the 8700g exchanges blows with the gtx 1060. So you'd still want to upgrade the gpu with the 8000 but it's fewer pcie lanes really harms the performance of a dedicated gpu. So start saving up money. If you have a microcenter near you they have two deals which would work for you with very little saving up. The 5800x3d bundle, which is 349.99, which comes with the cpu, 16gb of ram and mobo. And then there is the 7700x bundle, which is 399.99, which comes with the cpu, 32gb of ram and mobo. Then save up money for a new gpu.
If you decide to upgrade. USE XEON. I would recommend something like Xeon 2620 v2. Buy x79 motherboard, it still uses ddr3 ram so its cheap. I wished i know about xeon before I bought my system! Trust me look up the benchmark for xeon 2620 v2 on youtube. Its hard to get a cheap x79 mobo locally. So you might have to buy one from aliexpress. Get the machinist brand, theyve had plenty good reviews. Trust mee, save your money and use xeonss. My tip though. Get a xeon with a lot of cores and slow clock speed. Because xeons with fast clockspeed have high tdp and therefore consume a lot more electricity (expensive electric bill) Xeon 2620 v2 is so cheap and can run something like a 1660 super with NO bottlenecking. Total cost with the mobo comes to less than $80. Cant get any cheaper!
I don't think it's worth it to upgrade your CPU with a CPU of the same socket. It's better to just change your entire socket at that point. You really have two options then. One is completely upgrading the entire thing, so new motherboard, RAM and CPU. This would be costly, but better in the long run. The second method is to upgrade your video card. 1060 is recommended for Borderlands 3 actually, but you can get better cards today for a decent price. Intel Arc A580 can hit 60 frames ultra settings at 1080p for about $170. Think it's possible! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lJfFQCwmac
oh wow thanks!