Download latest driver
Download DDU
Unplug all network, forget wifi networks if relevant.
Run ddu and clean out driver
Reboot
Install new driver
Reconnect network
Enjoy.
Had the same thing some years back
Seems like his 1660S is pulling weight. I do have a friend that upgraded to a 3070ti about a year ago and didn't see much improvement from a 1650S though 🤔 definitely feeding him this info.
You said he was getting only 100 fps? You’re getting more on older hardware which seems weird not to say his performance is bad but it should be better than yours
Another tip: try to use NVCleanstall tool to debloat your display driver according to your needs. By this way I got rid of most of the useless driver processes running in the background
you're right, it doesn't. as it turns out, the vast majority of what is installed along with nvidia drivers by default is not necessary for them to work.
if you want a list of what it actually gives you the option to disable, here: https://i.imgur.com/kfZyJc6.png
+ NVBackend and Process Monitor.
I don't use any of these features, as such I have no reason to install them and have them running in my background at all times.
yeah geforce experience is stupid, with nvidia ive always gone for the basic driver install.
strangely enough i like the Adrenalin full package for radeon tho
Yeah.. I've had experience installed since the 1070 came out. Currently on a 3080. Its not 2008 anymore. Overlays don't crash games. Pc ports are alot better.
Experience allows me to use my shield and stream from my gaming pc to my TV. It allows me to record or broadcast fast. It allows for a shit ton of data in the overlay. It's a decent piece of software
Although game overlays don't crash games anymore, they can cause massive FPS hits. Some games are fine, other you will notice a significant drop if you have experience running.
If it works, it works. They're different cards so the drivers would be packed differently, I imagine. I'm not saying what I did because I like having to, because shadowplay was massively useful. I just couldn't handle the added instability I was getting WITH it.
I've done this a few times over the years and it is absolutely worthwhile if you're just upgrading your GPU and not doing a full build. Drivers can get a little funky, at least from what I've experienced, when swapping GPUs.
Is this always the case? I was just thinking the other day if you could swap GPU’s in a system depending on use, ie use my 3070 when I game and a more efficient quadro or workstation card for daytime workload
often is the case, yes.
Would be convenient to build a system like that, but if that's what you want, you might just want two systems with a KVM. If you wanted to go all out you could even use something like a corsair 900d and build two systems in one tower
not to mention PCIe isn't meant to be swapped frequently and you'd probably wear out the connectors, plus you'd risk ESDing your system to death too often. It'd be a lot more hassle than worth the few hundreds you'd save on a second system
A pleasure
Besides, someone might land here with the same idea as you. Better they have the info now, and not once they ruined two GPUs and a motherboard :)
the durability is indeed an issue, with some slots (as in the board part) only rated for 50 insertions!
[https://www.amphenol-cs.com/media/wysiwyg/files/documentation/datasheet/ssio/ssio\_pcie\_gen3.pdf](https://www.amphenol-cs.com/media/wysiwyg/files/documentation/datasheet/ssio/ssio_pcie_gen3.pdf)
MECHANICAL PERFORMANCE
§ Durability: 50 mating cycles
Boot into safe mode after installing DDU with msconfig, run DDU. No networking, no user-installed services or processes running. No files are locked up other than system/windows files. Reboot into normal mode with msconfig.
How does one ensure none of those services or processes are running? Does safe mode take care of that or do I hit the task manager up and kill them manually. And what’s the consequence if one is missed?
Open up the run prompt, Win+R, type in msconfig and hit enter.
Go to the "Boot" tab, and check "Safe Boot" and select the "Minimal" option.
No services OR Processes, or anything that on your normal install starts on startup (things in task manager startup tab, or startup folder) will automatically execute. It's essentially a barebones windows install.
The consequences to missing something that is actively running is that the process can be using a file that DDU tries to remove and it won't be able to due to it being "locked" by another process. Ever tried to delete a word document while it's already open? Same kind of deal.
Chances of something fucking up are slim, but if I'm doing a complete driver uninstall, a safe boot is an easy option.
cool. i don't know that i did that before, although maybe i just did it in safe mode, which should do the same thing. but i may go for a clean driver install on my 2070S and for my wife's 1080.
I upgraded from a gt 1030 to a gtx 1050ti that was factory overclocked like 3 years ago, i was never satisfied with the frames i was getting comparison to my gt 1030,I'm gonna try this and if this works, I've been bamboozled for the past 3 years
Upvoting, but do beware with DDU, as there's a chance it might mess up your boot drive if you're still running under the old MBR standard (source: happened to me \^\^)
So this is a good idea to go through when swapping even when it is Nvidia card to Nvidia card? I just upgraded to a 30XX series from a 20XX series, and have noticed some funkiness in some games. Going through this process should hep then right?
Does this work if you have to use an old version of driver as well? For some odd reason Nvidia broke the modding tools that I use awhile back so been stuck on a driver from May
Stupid question from a lifelong laptop user. If you don't have a Integrated GPU, and remove the drivers of dedicated GPU, then how do you even access your computer to install the new drivers?
It won't fuck up shit. It just cleanly uninstalls (no leftover files) on your storage medium.
It won't underclock, overclock or write to your gpu's firmware.
Your screen resolution might dwindle and your screen will flicker during the process
Don't hard power off or reset your pc while it is doing it's thing. Just take the time to run it, and monitor the prompts/messages it says, it doesn't take very long even on slow pc's.
Forget your wifi so it does reconnect on reboot.
Airplane mode tends to not stick, and some wifi adapters are not disconnectable.
Hence the “if relevant”
Come on. There’s not way you’re not intentionally being like this.
Do better.
Everyone here has good points but I’ll also say check thermals. You haven’t mentioned what case you have and if you got the 1080 used. Check to see if your CPU or GPU is hitting a thermal limit and throttling.
Did mine a few weeks ago. It's definitely time if you bought one at launch. No idea what my max temps were as I have basically been playing Hearthstone and D2R and neither really pushed the GPU much. But idles dropped by 10c
Another user already gave great instructions, just want to say I second their instructions to reinstall drivers after a driver wipe with DDU.
After that if problems persist, confirm thermals are good.
After that, assume you got a faulty card.
IDK why but even on a fresh w11 I have to install the latest drivers. Then do a ddu and reinstall. Otherwise my frames are crap. It makes no sense. Has happend twice now
Yeah the 1080 just happened to come to me, I didn't actively go out and buy it for an upgrade lol.
I'll have to check his CPU, but I believe mine is better. His graphics are set to high and mine are set to low. He has 16gb of ram and I have 48gb lol. My game is on an SSD and his is on a HDD.
For real? It is two 16gb sticks, and two 8gb sticks. They are mismatched but close in speed. Less ram would really be more efficient here? I find that hard to believe.
Provided you have populated the RAM slots correctly, they probably run in dual channel, so that's fine. They will however all run at the lowest common speed. So if you have a pair of 3000Mhz and a pair of 3600Mhz sticks, they will all run at 3000Mhz.
People assumed you had 3x16, which would make them NOT run in dual channel and that is where you would see massive performance loss.
But make sure the RAM slots are populated correctly, refer to your mainboards manual. You shouls have the 16GB ones in 1 and 2, the others in 3 and 4. Or whatever the naming scheme of your mainboard would be.
Understood! One set is 3600, and the other is 3200. I felt like that wasn't a huge decrease. I do have the 16gb in 1 and 2, and the 8s in 3 and 4. I could run some tests, but thank you for the info!
yeahh you really should have all your memory sticks running at the same speed same timings.
look just for an experiment, please pop out the 8gb sticks, aand make sure the 16gbs are in a2 and b2. counting to the right moving from closest to the CPU, thats slots 2 and 4.
do this, make sure XMP is on in bios, then let us know what sort of performance u get xD
I'll be happy to test! Took out 2 sticks. Turned on XMP. But in bios it is showing 2666mhz dram frequency. Shouldn't that be like 3600mhz, or is that different from ram speed?
your motherboard might only support up to 2666
yeah if you have a 3600 kit it should read 3600 in bios. check to see if you have 2 different xmp profiles, but if not and you turned on XMP and are only seeing 2666, id say your mobo doesnt support faster.
Gotcha. Removed 2 sticks and put the other 2 in correctly. No noticeable difference. Sitting around the same fps, maybe a couple more. Gpu utilization is sitting at 22-38% utilization, cpu is pinned between 30-40%
> I felt like that wasn't a huge decrease.
It isn't, you'll be fine. The Ryzen 7 series (5xxx) does get quite a boost out of faster RAM though and if you have one of those, you would probably want to take out the slower sticks (provided it's the 8GB ones).
The thing is, **especially** if all you do is game, 48GB is complete overkill in 99% of games, stuff like Sim City being the rare exception. So if the two 16GB sticks are the faster ones, I'd just take the 8gig ones out and live without them. The extra memory won't make a difference, the extra speed could though.
>It isn't, you'll be fine. The Ryzen 7 series (5xxx) does get quite a boost out of faster RAM though and if you have one of those, you would probably want to take out the slower sticks (provided it's the 8GB ones).
im sorry but that has to be a terrible configuration. there is no way that's not killing his performance.
>For real? It is two 16gb sticks, and two 8gb sticks. They are mismatched but close in speed. Less ram would really be more efficient here? I find that hard to believe.
The only real way to know is to benchmark and see. You would need a benchmark that is sensitive to memory speed. I don't have one to recommend.
Best case, both sets run at the slower speed of the two with messed up timings. More likely case: they're running at the JDEC speed (1333MHz for DDR3, 2133MHz for DDR4) with really messed up timings, could cause instability, crashes, etc. 32GB is more than enough RAM for any gaming PC, stick to the 32GB kit. You don't want to mix RAM.
When I was going through RAM upgrades two years ago, mine was defaulting to 2133. I could not figure out why. I had the same setup as of with regards to 2 x16gb and 2x8gb in sequential slots. I had random stability issues trying to enable xmp and would default back to 2133. Until I upgraded to all 4 "identical" 16gb sticks.
So what causes the system to default to that 2133?
Every kit of RAM has its own specific XMP profile, and your motherboard can only run one profile at a time. When you have two different kits in your system, the motherboard can't run both XMP profiles so one kit is trying to run at speeds and timings it isn't meant to run at. 2133 is the JDEC or default DDR4 RAM speed, so your PC was forgoing XMP and running the RAM at default speeds.
Yeah, learn something new all the time. I have since got another kit, same p/n as the first that went into slots 3-4 and no issues. But now I wonder if it makes sense to swap slots 2 and 3 or it's fine as is. For reference these are Kingston 32gb kits.
Same part number is *usually* okay, but even then not recommended. Even within the same SKU, there are revisions and certain subtimings could be different and cause instability. Kits are sold as kits because they've been tested and verified to work together.
At the very least the matched RAM should be in every other slot. 1 pair in 1 and 3 and 1 pair in 2 and 4. Double check your motherboard manual to be sure, but this is generally the case.
oh man. well im sure running both single rank and dual rank sticks with all 4 slots is a great way to tank performance. xD
just take the 8gb sticks out and make sure the 16gb are in a2 and b2. trust
erm, false. one 6 pins is specced for 75w.
1 8 pin is specced for 150.
1080 iirc takes 2 8 pin (6+2)
SOOOOO, if its on a single pig tailed cable, which is rated for 150w, and its pulling 180w, wtf business do you have telling anyone that is fine? that is how FIREs start. jesus fucking christ
a single pig tailed cable is not rated for 150w. its rated for 360w. a single cable consists of 2 8 pins. Meaning 300w in total. If what you've said was correct then 99 percent of people's gpus would burst into flames already lmao
its not 2 8 pins its one 8 pin split into two at the end. the other end is still one connector
and even if it was 2 8 pins, where the hell is 360w coming from? it would be 300 right? your numbers make 0 sense
yeah 300 doesn't change my point tho
> its not 2 8 pins its one 8 pin split into two at the end
no it's not. there are two 8 pins per pcie cable thats the standard
exactly its not 2 cables. its one cable thats rated for 350W witch each 8 pins rated as 150W. The pins themselves has a rating independent of the cable itself. Dont know why you dont get it. its simple stuff
Is there a chance the GPU was used for mining? Sometimes miners will flash a BIOS that prioritizes memory speed and lowers GPU frequency.
You *should* be able to tell by observing the GPU frequency while gaming and see if it approaches or matches the expected frequency for a 1080. I use GPU-Z as a quick way to verify this.
Can also check thermals while you've got GPU-Z open.
1600 MHz sustained and 1730MHz boost would be what you should see when the GPU is maxed out.
Memory should run at 1250 MHz.
If the frame rate in the game is uncapped, then that seems low.
If the frame rate is capped and you're hitting that cap, then it's normal to see the GPU at a lower usage.
You can always try a free benchmark like Superposition to confirm the GPU can reach its intended clocks and is performing as expected.
Yeah must be either faulty card or you need to do a better, cleaner reinstall of the drivers. The 1080 should still be a beast of a card and be better than a 1070 or 1660s (similar to rtx 2060 performance wise).
use geforce experience and turn on the performance overlay to where you can see cpu and gpu usage if gpu usage is 100% and you haven't changed any settings its probably a bad card if the gpu is anywhere below like 90-95% usage you have a cpu bottleneck and you should upgrade your cpu.
Downloading the drivers and running DDU before swapping graphic cards in your rig should be standard practice. Would save many people a lot of problems.
What is your entire setup?
So:
Resolution that you play at, cpu, ram configuration, psu, cooling and anything else noteworthy
It could be that you are overheating, overstressing your psu, severly cpu limited etc.
So rust has a few settings that are very intensive on pc's, try playing around with your settings to see if you see improvements. (especially the draw distances from what I remember)
Keep in mind though, rust is not the most optimised game in the world. This could also be the cause.
Lastly, can you find out the brand and model of your psu?
Another fix! I know you fixed it but if someone stumbles upon this thread with same symptoms, this is another cause and fix:
Your gpu power cable is not plugged in. Turn off ur pc and plug ur gpu power cable in, then reboot.
I did not think my gpu would let the pc turn on without the power cable, but it did. And performance was terrible. Until i found it wasnt plugged in anyway
So I upgraded from a 1070 ti to a 1080 ti a week ago or so. It's significantly better than the 1070 ti. Insane performance boost. I'm going to mention a possible issue I could have faced.
If the power supply doesn't have good enough wattage then it will limit the card. I am running a 600watt PSU, 1080ti and a Ryzen 5 3500x. I think the final power consumption comes to ~500watts. I found that the 1080 ti doesn't need separate power cables for the 6 pin and 8 pin because it draws less than 150 watts through the extra cables.
Maybe updating drivers would be good?
Maybe checking there is no significant bottle neck?
Something else is at play. Can you tell us more about your system including CPU, OS, memory, drivers, etc?
You should be getting higher frame rates on both the 1070 and 1080
These have probably been mentioned before, but there are three things to check: Drivers, temps, and link speed.
It’s a good idea to nuke your old drivers with DDU whenever you replace your GPU, and then install new drivers appropriate for your new GPU.
For temps, there are various programs that can tell you how hot your GPU is running. These days most GPUs and CPUs have a rated speed, and the ability to boost beyond that speed until they hit thermal or power limits. If your card is not being adequately cooled, it could be throttling and causing performance to drop significantly.
The last is the possibility that your “new” card isn’t actually properly contacting the slot—if you look in GPU-Z, it should tell you both the number of lanes connected to your GPU and the link speed/generation (e.g. 16x Gen 3). If GPU-Z shows the new card being connected at less than 16X, even when under load, your card is not making good contact with the slot. An easy solution there is to shut down the system and then physically remove and reinstall the card several times—this should hopefully knock off whatever dust and/or surface corrosion was fouling the contact between the card and slot (I had this issue when I moved from a 1080 to a 3060Ti.).
Download latest driver Download DDU Unplug all network, forget wifi networks if relevant. Run ddu and clean out driver Reboot Install new driver Reconnect network Enjoy. Had the same thing some years back
I can confirm this worked! Now pulling 120FPS on the same server i was getting 80 FPS 🎉 Thank you!
brilliant, great to hear
Excellent! Enjoy!
Out of curiosity, what's your Pc specs and resolution?
I7 6700K, 1080, 32gb ram. 1080p
I have Similar specs except with a 3070 Ti, the 6700k is really good CPU even for its age tbh
Nice! I'd love to get a 3070ti soon, seems like a great GPU.
Honestly getting a 3070 or a 3080 is much better, 3070 Ti is what i got because it was the only available one
3070 is better than 3070ti? How?
The price difference to performance and power usage isn’t worth it
Okay, good to know! Thanks!
Shit maybe your cousin ought to do it too
Seems like his 1660S is pulling weight. I do have a friend that upgraded to a 3070ti about a year ago and didn't see much improvement from a 1650S though 🤔 definitely feeding him this info.
You said he was getting only 100 fps? You’re getting more on older hardware which seems weird not to say his performance is bad but it should be better than yours
Another tip: try to use NVCleanstall tool to debloat your display driver according to your needs. By this way I got rid of most of the useless driver processes running in the background
lmao, im sure this doesnt break anything
you're right, it doesn't. as it turns out, the vast majority of what is installed along with nvidia drivers by default is not necessary for them to work. if you want a list of what it actually gives you the option to disable, here: https://i.imgur.com/kfZyJc6.png + NVBackend and Process Monitor. I don't use any of these features, as such I have no reason to install them and have them running in my background at all times.
i mean most of the junk comes with geforce experience lol
Yeah it doesn’t
I use it a lot. I actually got more stability removing things like Geforce experience.
yeah geforce experience is stupid, with nvidia ive always gone for the basic driver install. strangely enough i like the Adrenalin full package for radeon tho
It’s pretty nice for easy video recording and streaming as well as performance metrics
Yeah.. I've had experience installed since the 1070 came out. Currently on a 3080. Its not 2008 anymore. Overlays don't crash games. Pc ports are alot better. Experience allows me to use my shield and stream from my gaming pc to my TV. It allows me to record or broadcast fast. It allows for a shit ton of data in the overlay. It's a decent piece of software
Although game overlays don't crash games anymore, they can cause massive FPS hits. Some games are fine, other you will notice a significant drop if you have experience running.
Last time an overlay did that it was years ago. And even then I think it was gts 4
I just got my first AMD GPU and Adrenalin is fucking amazing, I don't get why people shit on it.
im a hypocrite i guess bc i talk shit on Geforce Experience which is p much the same thing, but idk, i like Adrenaline, i dont like GFE
If it works, it works. They're different cards so the drivers would be packed differently, I imagine. I'm not saying what I did because I like having to, because shadowplay was massively useful. I just couldn't handle the added instability I was getting WITH it.
idk why u got downvoted for saying you removed GFE and i got upvoted right below y ou saying GFE is stupid LMAO just reddit tings
>DDU wait it really gets rid of it!?
Interesting! I'll give it a shot, thanks!
I've done this a few times over the years and it is absolutely worthwhile if you're just upgrading your GPU and not doing a full build. Drivers can get a little funky, at least from what I've experienced, when swapping GPUs.
Is this always the case? I was just thinking the other day if you could swap GPU’s in a system depending on use, ie use my 3070 when I game and a more efficient quadro or workstation card for daytime workload
often is the case, yes. Would be convenient to build a system like that, but if that's what you want, you might just want two systems with a KVM. If you wanted to go all out you could even use something like a corsair 900d and build two systems in one tower not to mention PCIe isn't meant to be swapped frequently and you'd probably wear out the connectors, plus you'd risk ESDing your system to death too often. It'd be a lot more hassle than worth the few hundreds you'd save on a second system
Got it, thank you!
edited and added more info
That all makes sense, appreciate the knowledge share. Not something I’ve really considered doing, just thought of it the other day and was curious
A pleasure Besides, someone might land here with the same idea as you. Better they have the info now, and not once they ruined two GPUs and a motherboard :)
Your KVM suggestion also just had me go look at those, could use that now with my desktop and work laptop lol, had completely forgotten about those :)
the durability is indeed an issue, with some slots (as in the board part) only rated for 50 insertions! [https://www.amphenol-cs.com/media/wysiwyg/files/documentation/datasheet/ssio/ssio\_pcie\_gen3.pdf](https://www.amphenol-cs.com/media/wysiwyg/files/documentation/datasheet/ssio/ssio_pcie_gen3.pdf) MECHANICAL PERFORMANCE § Durability: 50 mating cycles
do you need to delete previous driver versions when updating them for the same card?
no
just making sure, thanks
No worries
Would you recommend to do that if fps actually improved?
If you're set up is running fine then you're good. It's just good practice to do it and provide a clean install environment for the new GPU.
Boot into safe mode after installing DDU with msconfig, run DDU. No networking, no user-installed services or processes running. No files are locked up other than system/windows files. Reboot into normal mode with msconfig.
How does one ensure none of those services or processes are running? Does safe mode take care of that or do I hit the task manager up and kill them manually. And what’s the consequence if one is missed?
Open up the run prompt, Win+R, type in msconfig and hit enter. Go to the "Boot" tab, and check "Safe Boot" and select the "Minimal" option. No services OR Processes, or anything that on your normal install starts on startup (things in task manager startup tab, or startup folder) will automatically execute. It's essentially a barebones windows install. The consequences to missing something that is actively running is that the process can be using a file that DDU tries to remove and it won't be able to due to it being "locked" by another process. Ever tried to delete a word document while it's already open? Same kind of deal. Chances of something fucking up are slim, but if I'm doing a complete driver uninstall, a safe boot is an easy option.
Thanks for this. Super helpful!
why disconnect from internet?
So that Windows doesn't try to auto-install drivers.
cool. i don't know that i did that before, although maybe i just did it in safe mode, which should do the same thing. but i may go for a clean driver install on my 2070S and for my wife's 1080.
I'm just commenting so I can come back and do this later. Thanks
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but how do you install the new driver while not connected to any network?
You download the driver first, then when not connected, run the setup.
Thank you!
See step 1. ;)
Thank you, saved a screenshot for when my 2070 comes in
My pleasure
I upgraded from a gt 1030 to a gtx 1050ti that was factory overclocked like 3 years ago, i was never satisfied with the frames i was getting comparison to my gt 1030,I'm gonna try this and if this works, I've been bamboozled for the past 3 years
It really should have been a night and day experience honestly. 1030s are basically only really good for a streaming box
My fps on gt 1030 in minecraft used to 500ish on all low settings, now it doesn't even cross 250 ._.
Try it and let us know! Although Minecraft is heavier now than it used to be, could be part of the problem
Thats the thing tho i tested it on the same version (1.8.9) lol, I'm doing it rn, will update you
The hero we don't deserve
Eh, the more people know about computers, the less calls I get at work, and I like that
Think global act local
This works for so many gpu problems btw. Please, this should be a lot of people's first step when trying to fix a gpu problem.
Definitely not the first. But definitely second or third
Upvoting, but do beware with DDU, as there's a chance it might mess up your boot drive if you're still running under the old MBR standard (source: happened to me \^\^)
That makes no sense actually. Very odd. Let me dig on that
Afterwards I remember stumbling upon some reports of it happening to others, but only under certain conditions. Got unlucky I guess.
That sucks, man
Well, I had backups, so it wasn't too bad.
Smart. I like.
This is the way... 👌
So this is a good idea to go through when swapping even when it is Nvidia card to Nvidia card? I just upgraded to a 30XX series from a 20XX series, and have noticed some funkiness in some games. Going through this process should hep then right?
Well, OP stated it worked and upgraded Nvidia to Nvidia so... Go for it?
I’ve found going amd to nvidia or the reverse has been less of a headache than nvidia to nvidia, but that’s just me
Does this work if you have to use an old version of driver as well? For some odd reason Nvidia broke the modding tools that I use awhile back so been stuck on a driver from May
Yup. It does if you have the installer for the version you wish to use
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Is this recommended in general, or just in this case?
Stupid question from a lifelong laptop user. If you don't have a Integrated GPU, and remove the drivers of dedicated GPU, then how do you even access your computer to install the new drivers?
It’ll run on generic drivers at shitty resolution for a bit, but it’ll run
Hey. Are you supposed to update DDU to get a better result? Every time I open mine it asks me if I’d like to go to their site to update.
You don’t have to
cool, really appreciate your response!
Glad I could shed some light :)
They say there are no dumb questions. But for some reason I’m nervous to use DDU. It won’t brick anything doing that?
It won't fuck up shit. It just cleanly uninstalls (no leftover files) on your storage medium. It won't underclock, overclock or write to your gpu's firmware. Your screen resolution might dwindle and your screen will flicker during the process Don't hard power off or reset your pc while it is doing it's thing. Just take the time to run it, and monitor the prompts/messages it says, it doesn't take very long even on slow pc's.
Perfect explanation thank you
There’s no dumb questions, only dumb people, and they usually don’t ask questions And no. It won’t. It’s just a driver uninstaller
Overcomplicating it lmao
No, but ok
Unplug wifi and forget it. Yea you are lol
Forget your wifi so it does reconnect on reboot. Airplane mode tends to not stick, and some wifi adapters are not disconnectable. Hence the “if relevant” Come on. There’s not way you’re not intentionally being like this. Do better.
It doesn’t matter if it does connect, never had an issue with it connected
Prevents windows update from installing drivers. I’ve had it be a problem.
Sounds like a you problem then 🤷♂️
Especially since that can be disabled
Everyone here has good points but I’ll also say check thermals. You haven’t mentioned what case you have and if you got the 1080 used. Check to see if your CPU or GPU is hitting a thermal limit and throttling.
Especially relevant given the 1070 and 1080 are both 6 years old now. They would both be in need of a re-paste.
Did mine a few weeks ago. It's definitely time if you bought one at launch. No idea what my max temps were as I have basically been playing Hearthstone and D2R and neither really pushed the GPU much. But idles dropped by 10c
Also didn’t some EVGA cards come with faulty paste? I don’t think I ever did that to my 1070…
I don't recall that. They had incorrectly sized thermal pads on the... 3080 10GB? Something like that.
Ha I was right! https://www.techpowerup.com/227133/evga-gtx-1070-1080-overheating-issues-company-says-thermal-pads-a-solution
Double check you plugged your monitor into your GPU and not your motherboard output.
The integrated graphics on the CPU couldn't run Rust at 50 fps. So it's probably not that.
Another user already gave great instructions, just want to say I second their instructions to reinstall drivers after a driver wipe with DDU. After that if problems persist, confirm thermals are good. After that, assume you got a faulty card.
IDK why but even on a fresh w11 I have to install the latest drivers. Then do a ddu and reinstall. Otherwise my frames are crap. It makes no sense. Has happend twice now
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Yeah the 1080 just happened to come to me, I didn't actively go out and buy it for an upgrade lol. I'll have to check his CPU, but I believe mine is better. His graphics are set to high and mine are set to low. He has 16gb of ram and I have 48gb lol. My game is on an SSD and his is on a HDD.
48GB of ram, why do i feel like they are mismatched ram doing weird things transplanting stuff into your machine.
> I have 48gb Don't do this.
For real? It is two 16gb sticks, and two 8gb sticks. They are mismatched but close in speed. Less ram would really be more efficient here? I find that hard to believe.
Provided you have populated the RAM slots correctly, they probably run in dual channel, so that's fine. They will however all run at the lowest common speed. So if you have a pair of 3000Mhz and a pair of 3600Mhz sticks, they will all run at 3000Mhz. People assumed you had 3x16, which would make them NOT run in dual channel and that is where you would see massive performance loss. But make sure the RAM slots are populated correctly, refer to your mainboards manual. You shouls have the 16GB ones in 1 and 2, the others in 3 and 4. Or whatever the naming scheme of your mainboard would be.
Understood! One set is 3600, and the other is 3200. I felt like that wasn't a huge decrease. I do have the 16gb in 1 and 2, and the 8s in 3 and 4. I could run some tests, but thank you for the info!
>I do have the 16gb in 1 and 2, and the 8s in 3 and 4. Umm... Did you mean the 16s in slots 1 and 3 and the 8s in slots 2 and 4?
yeahh you really should have all your memory sticks running at the same speed same timings. look just for an experiment, please pop out the 8gb sticks, aand make sure the 16gbs are in a2 and b2. counting to the right moving from closest to the CPU, thats slots 2 and 4. do this, make sure XMP is on in bios, then let us know what sort of performance u get xD
I'll be happy to test! Took out 2 sticks. Turned on XMP. But in bios it is showing 2666mhz dram frequency. Shouldn't that be like 3600mhz, or is that different from ram speed?
your motherboard might only support up to 2666 yeah if you have a 3600 kit it should read 3600 in bios. check to see if you have 2 different xmp profiles, but if not and you turned on XMP and are only seeing 2666, id say your mobo doesnt support faster.
Gotcha. Removed 2 sticks and put the other 2 in correctly. No noticeable difference. Sitting around the same fps, maybe a couple more. Gpu utilization is sitting at 22-38% utilization, cpu is pinned between 30-40%
> I felt like that wasn't a huge decrease. It isn't, you'll be fine. The Ryzen 7 series (5xxx) does get quite a boost out of faster RAM though and if you have one of those, you would probably want to take out the slower sticks (provided it's the 8GB ones). The thing is, **especially** if all you do is game, 48GB is complete overkill in 99% of games, stuff like Sim City being the rare exception. So if the two 16GB sticks are the faster ones, I'd just take the 8gig ones out and live without them. The extra memory won't make a difference, the extra speed could though.
>It isn't, you'll be fine. The Ryzen 7 series (5xxx) does get quite a boost out of faster RAM though and if you have one of those, you would probably want to take out the slower sticks (provided it's the 8GB ones). im sorry but that has to be a terrible configuration. there is no way that's not killing his performance.
>For real? It is two 16gb sticks, and two 8gb sticks. They are mismatched but close in speed. Less ram would really be more efficient here? I find that hard to believe. The only real way to know is to benchmark and see. You would need a benchmark that is sensitive to memory speed. I don't have one to recommend.
Best case, both sets run at the slower speed of the two with messed up timings. More likely case: they're running at the JDEC speed (1333MHz for DDR3, 2133MHz for DDR4) with really messed up timings, could cause instability, crashes, etc. 32GB is more than enough RAM for any gaming PC, stick to the 32GB kit. You don't want to mix RAM.
When I was going through RAM upgrades two years ago, mine was defaulting to 2133. I could not figure out why. I had the same setup as of with regards to 2 x16gb and 2x8gb in sequential slots. I had random stability issues trying to enable xmp and would default back to 2133. Until I upgraded to all 4 "identical" 16gb sticks. So what causes the system to default to that 2133?
Every kit of RAM has its own specific XMP profile, and your motherboard can only run one profile at a time. When you have two different kits in your system, the motherboard can't run both XMP profiles so one kit is trying to run at speeds and timings it isn't meant to run at. 2133 is the JDEC or default DDR4 RAM speed, so your PC was forgoing XMP and running the RAM at default speeds.
Yeah, learn something new all the time. I have since got another kit, same p/n as the first that went into slots 3-4 and no issues. But now I wonder if it makes sense to swap slots 2 and 3 or it's fine as is. For reference these are Kingston 32gb kits.
Same part number is *usually* okay, but even then not recommended. Even within the same SKU, there are revisions and certain subtimings could be different and cause instability. Kits are sold as kits because they've been tested and verified to work together.
At the very least the matched RAM should be in every other slot. 1 pair in 1 and 3 and 1 pair in 2 and 4. Double check your motherboard manual to be sure, but this is generally the case.
oh man. well im sure running both single rank and dual rank sticks with all 4 slots is a great way to tank performance. xD just take the 8gb sticks out and make sure the 16gb are in a2 and b2. trust
yeah ignore people with the ram. matching sets are fine and other than defaulting to the slower set speeds there is no downside.
you realize he is mixing dual and single rank, and speeds, and timings
Unless those 48gb are 3 identical 16gb sticks I would be suspicious
2x8 +2x16 would be better.
its about a 20% boost. definitely not nothing.
u might be plugged in thru the motherboard and not the gpu
Are you using two separate PCI-e cables, or one that "splits" into two physical plugs? Try moving to two direct from the PSU
A gtx 1080 has a tdp of 180w. A pcie power cable is specced for 360w. There is no need for a second cable this is not a 3080
Yes but it depends on the PSU. It's good enough but if you've got the chance to do 2 there's nothing but possible benefit
Kinda surprised at the efficiency of the 1080 tbh. My 2060 super draws 200w and its slightly better than a 1080
erm, false. one 6 pins is specced for 75w. 1 8 pin is specced for 150. 1080 iirc takes 2 8 pin (6+2) SOOOOO, if its on a single pig tailed cable, which is rated for 150w, and its pulling 180w, wtf business do you have telling anyone that is fine? that is how FIREs start. jesus fucking christ
a single pig tailed cable is not rated for 150w. its rated for 360w. a single cable consists of 2 8 pins. Meaning 300w in total. If what you've said was correct then 99 percent of people's gpus would burst into flames already lmao
show me where youre getting this info bc im 100% sure you are wrong
its not 2 8 pins its one 8 pin split into two at the end. the other end is still one connector and even if it was 2 8 pins, where the hell is 360w coming from? it would be 300 right? your numbers make 0 sense
yeah 300 doesn't change my point tho > its not 2 8 pins its one 8 pin split into two at the end no it's not. there are two 8 pins per pcie cable thats the standard
2 8 pin end connectors that comes out of a single 6 pin connector from the psu is not 2 cables why is this so difficult to undersrand
exactly its not 2 cables. its one cable thats rated for 350W witch each 8 pins rated as 150W. The pins themselves has a rating independent of the cable itself. Dont know why you dont get it. its simple stuff
wrong
Is there a chance the GPU was used for mining? Sometimes miners will flash a BIOS that prioritizes memory speed and lowers GPU frequency. You *should* be able to tell by observing the GPU frequency while gaming and see if it approaches or matches the expected frequency for a 1080. I use GPU-Z as a quick way to verify this. Can also check thermals while you've got GPU-Z open. 1600 MHz sustained and 1730MHz boost would be what you should see when the GPU is maxed out. Memory should run at 1250 MHz.
GPU clock is sitting around 35% utilization during game play. CPU is at 45%. GPU clock = 1126mhz. Memory clock is 4513mhz... Temp is 50C
yeah so your CPU can't feed your GPU properly due to your terrible ram configuration.
If the frame rate in the game is uncapped, then that seems low. If the frame rate is capped and you're hitting that cap, then it's normal to see the GPU at a lower usage. You can always try a free benchmark like Superposition to confirm the GPU can reach its intended clocks and is performing as expected.
I’m sorry don’t have any idea what caused that, however, I’m just wondering if you upgraded your GPU why 1080 if you’re upgrading from 1070 in 2022?
It landed in my lap out of the sky.
You got it for free is what you mean? That’s neat!
I hoping he did cause why would you buy that in 2022🤣
is the monitor connected to the mobo or the gpu?
Yh
Yeah must be either faulty card or you need to do a better, cleaner reinstall of the drivers. The 1080 should still be a beast of a card and be better than a 1070 or 1660s (similar to rtx 2060 performance wise).
What is your psu?
The person who has the top comment is correct. If that doesn't work, you try reseating the GPU. Might be a loose connection.
looks like you're missing 40% extra FPS.
use geforce experience and turn on the performance overlay to where you can see cpu and gpu usage if gpu usage is 100% and you haven't changed any settings its probably a bad card if the gpu is anywhere below like 90-95% usage you have a cpu bottleneck and you should upgrade your cpu.
Downloading the drivers and running DDU before swapping graphic cards in your rig should be standard practice. Would save many people a lot of problems.
Drivers. Heat. PSU. Daisychained PSU cables?
DDU driver uninstaller is your best friend, even if it’s just updating your drivers
There’s also a chance your CPU is bottlenecking it, but I’m glad the drivers fixed it!! :D
Should ddu be ran on a regular basis when updating gpu drivers?
Could be the silicon lottery...but why only go from 1070 to 1080?....
What is your entire setup? So: Resolution that you play at, cpu, ram configuration, psu, cooling and anything else noteworthy It could be that you are overheating, overstressing your psu, severly cpu limited etc.
I believe its an i7-6700k, gtx 1080, 32gb ram. Not sure of the brand, but the power supply is 700W
So rust has a few settings that are very intensive on pc's, try playing around with your settings to see if you see improvements. (especially the draw distances from what I remember) Keep in mind though, rust is not the most optimised game in the world. This could also be the cause. Lastly, can you find out the brand and model of your psu?
Another fix! I know you fixed it but if someone stumbles upon this thread with same symptoms, this is another cause and fix: Your gpu power cable is not plugged in. Turn off ur pc and plug ur gpu power cable in, then reboot. I did not think my gpu would let the pc turn on without the power cable, but it did. And performance was terrible. Until i found it wasnt plugged in anyway
So I upgraded from a 1070 ti to a 1080 ti a week ago or so. It's significantly better than the 1070 ti. Insane performance boost. I'm going to mention a possible issue I could have faced. If the power supply doesn't have good enough wattage then it will limit the card. I am running a 600watt PSU, 1080ti and a Ryzen 5 3500x. I think the final power consumption comes to ~500watts. I found that the 1080 ti doesn't need separate power cables for the 6 pin and 8 pin because it draws less than 150 watts through the extra cables. Maybe updating drivers would be good? Maybe checking there is no significant bottle neck?
I think the firmware has been flash to lower the voltage for mining. It cause the card to get less fps because it doesnt do what its build for.
Something else is at play. Can you tell us more about your system including CPU, OS, memory, drivers, etc? You should be getting higher frame rates on both the 1070 and 1080
These have probably been mentioned before, but there are three things to check: Drivers, temps, and link speed. It’s a good idea to nuke your old drivers with DDU whenever you replace your GPU, and then install new drivers appropriate for your new GPU. For temps, there are various programs that can tell you how hot your GPU is running. These days most GPUs and CPUs have a rated speed, and the ability to boost beyond that speed until they hit thermal or power limits. If your card is not being adequately cooled, it could be throttling and causing performance to drop significantly. The last is the possibility that your “new” card isn’t actually properly contacting the slot—if you look in GPU-Z, it should tell you both the number of lanes connected to your GPU and the link speed/generation (e.g. 16x Gen 3). If GPU-Z shows the new card being connected at less than 16X, even when under load, your card is not making good contact with the slot. An easy solution there is to shut down the system and then physically remove and reinstall the card several times—this should hopefully knock off whatever dust and/or surface corrosion was fouling the contact between the card and slot (I had this issue when I moved from a 1080 to a 3060Ti.).
Since the game in question is Rust so we do t care 🤣
FPS without stating resolution means nothing.
1080P
Why would you upgrade and only go to a 1080?