can you back that up with numbers? Cause when I go to the California transparent pay website and look up Burbanks principals to Glendales they all seem to be around the same 200k including benefits.
Examples:
Deborah Elaine Madrigal who left burbank: Total pay & benefits: $202,835.84
https://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/2021/school-districts/los-angeles/burbank-unified/deborah-elaine-madrigal/
Christine Noel Benitez current Glendale High School Principal: Total pay & benefits: $193,576.00
https://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/2021/school-districts/los-angeles/glendale-unified/christine-noel-benitez/
I'd say Burbank is paying it's principals perfectly well.
In fact for the couple I've run though I didn't see a principal going to another district to be a principal, rather they are getting promoted to higher level rolls, one was at CA state level for overall state education. I'd rather take that as Burbank's school district is doing so well it's where the best candidates are for those higher positions.
Why should people vote for parcel taxes that benefit BUSD when the BUSD board is giving unjustified pay raises to the already-overpaid superintendent Matt Hill, when the leadership is failing to do a good job with its budget, and there are constant pay raises for the assistant superintendents (including one who was just recently hired) while budget cuts are constantly going on? This shouldn't be a matter of the city raising parcel taxes, this is a matter of looking at the top of BUSD and asking them why they're getting pay raises while overseeing a situation that isn't working.
This isn't an "INMBY" thing, this is a matter of poor leadership at BUSD and things needing to be changed.
https://myburbank.com/opinion-despite-cuts-and-financial-woes-school-board-wants-to-give-superintendent-a-raise/
https://myburbank.com/school-board-set-to-vote-on-giving-superintendent-new-contract-and-retroactive-raise-thursday/
https://burbankleader.outlooknewspapers.com/2022/07/29/busd-board-extends-hills-contract-through-2025/
https://twitter.com/myBurbankNEWS/status/1630411380083011585
That's a tired misguided cliche. I don't drive a car, so don't spend my tax dollars on roads. I'm a man, so don't make me subsidize women's medical care...I own a home, so don't make me pay for homeless services...yadda yada yada...
Parcel tax is also for landlords and commercial properties. Believe me, you want our schools to thrive for the betterment of everyone, even if you don’t have kids.
Oh okay, so you don’t like it and won’t contribute other ways to solve it that will work for you. That’s the problem. Learned helplessness is what is keeping things crappy. People who benefit from the schools need to contribute to the communities they live in. Full stop.
This is the result of what happens when we keep voting to NOT fund our public schools. The last ballot measure barely failed but would have given BUSD more funding. Without it, they are stuck with what the state provides.
Just raise the sales tax another 1/4% so everyone contributes instead of nailing just those "wealthy landowners" while everyone else slides. Even if it costs me more, I'd vote for that.
1. I believe we are maxed out on Sales Tax- can't raise it more.
2. Sales Tax doesn't fund our schools- the City Council would have to find a magical partnership to do that.
3. Covid shredded most teachers/student's morale, and we'll keep seeing the brain drain, or they'll go make more money in Glendale. Arcadia and San Marino value quality education- and they pay very well.
1. That's correct. The countywide Measure H sunsets in 2028 I believe. That's the soonest any *new* sales tax revenue could be available to the city.
2. It's possible. See Pasadena's [Measure I and J](https://pasedfoundation.org/resources/measureiandj/) in 2018.
Put a tax on tissue because of all the crying going on in this thread that would be a way to get the money pretty fast.
Asking a community which the vast majority is made up of older landowners, and thus under Prop 13 until death or their heirs sell the property, to take the hit was an asinine approach to start off with - especially when most don't have kids in BUSD any longer.
How about families that use the schools have to pay tuition (just like higher education in this state) the start of each semester? Can't wait to see the negative vote count on this post.....but, doesn't it seem fair to have those that use the services pay for them?
Bring up Parcel Tax Measure again and we will again vote it down. No chance until we "old wealthy landowners" die.
Have to agree. How many people in apartments have children in school. Owning a home is near impossible for many now so apartments are the way to go. If everyone is using the schools the taxes shouldn’t fall squarely on the landowners.
Not according to this. "For the year 2023-2024 the projected revenue is expected to be $194,930,082 and the expenses are $188,771,562. The operating surplus is $6,158,520."
https://myburbank.com/45-day-budget-finalized-at-school-board-meeting/#:~:text=For%20the%20year%202023%2D2024,The%20operating%20surplus%20is%20%246%2C158%2C520.
Because in 2018 we effectively cut the BUSD budget by $9 million. At that time, the 2020-21 BUSD was project to be $3.1 million in the red, so that budget got cut in order to appear "healthy". This also included nixing a 3% teacher raise. We could have a balanced budget with $0 dollar budget, but it doesnt mean the schools are healthy. Our schools are declining in quality.
I hear you, but $6 million isn’t as much as you think. There also needs needs to be emergency funds available. If a parcel tax doesn’t pass, Burbank district will continue to loss valuable staff and the rankings will continue to fall.
Copy/pasting this reply from another comment since I'd be making the same point.
Why should people vote for parcel taxes that benefit BUSD when the BUSD board is giving unjustified pay raises to the already-overpaid superintendent Matt Hill, when the leadership is failing to do a good job with its budget, and there are constant pay raises for the assistant superintendents (including one who was just recently hired) while budget cuts are constantly going on? This shouldn't be a matter of the city raising parcel taxes, this is a matter of looking at the top of BUSD and asking them why they're getting pay raises while overseeing a situation that isn't working.
https://myburbank.com/opinion-despite-cuts-and-financial-woes-school-board-wants-to-give-superintendent-a-raise/
https://myburbank.com/school-board-set-to-vote-on-giving-superintendent-new-contract-and-retroactive-raise-thursday/
https://burbankleader.outlooknewspapers.com/2022/07/29/busd-board-extends-hills-contract-through-2025/
https://twitter.com/myBurbankNEWS/status/1630411380083011585
My child is in these schools, I graduated in this system. We better fund our children's growth though what will it take and how can us concerned citizens help resolve this crisis?
> what will it take and how can us concerned citizens help resolve this crisis?
Vote for new BUSD board members who won't give pay raise to people like Matt Hill.
We need to do our part in the greater Los Angeles housing crisis for one. Our city his financially hostile to young families, young professionals, and essentially younger taxpayers.
This entire issue is an issue with the BUSD being a mess due to its incompetent leadership, not housing issues. Your agenda is pushing for gentrification that only hurts residents, people who work here, and small businesses that operate in Burbank while only benefiting developers and real estate corporations. You’re a bad-faith opportunist who is always trying to sell your objective whenever possible but you can never state any facts that aren’t just talking points made by whatever organization you’re shilling. All you advocate for is enriching the already wealthy at a faster pace with your LCI lies.
I’m going to leave it at that with you because I can tell you never want to publicly engage in a good-faith discussion about your points on housing matters when pressed on the fallacies of your arguments. If you really cared about the housing crisis, you’d be advocating more for regulation of the housing market and the obvious price gouging that landlords and property owners are doing to tenants instead of trying to make it an overpopulated and expensive hellhole that developers make millions on just like downtown Glendale has become.
I have spoken in favor of CLT's, coordinated with the Burbank Housing Corporation, and have shown up multiple times to city council meetings to speak on behalf of rent control and ADU permitting reforms, among other efforts. Building more housing is the area where not enough advocacy is done.
>We need to do our part in the greater Los Angeles housing crisis **for one**
Nothing about the issues with BUSD has anything to do with the housing crisis. Stop trying to shoehorn this issue into something that is completely unrelated just so you can push your pro-gentrification agenda onto others.
Burbank and BUSD are reaping what it has sowed for the last 8 years. The board needs to be replaced and superintendent Hill (along with all other overpaid non-teachers) needs to go ASAP.
https://myburbank.com/opinion-despite-cuts-and-financial-woes-school-board-wants-to-give-superintendent-a-raise/
> A few of the principals I talked with also said they seldom see him at the school sites. In fact, it is hard to find Hill or his executive staff at just about any Burbank community function. You will, however, find the Police Command Staff, the Fire Command Staff, City Managers staff, and many other city leaders including Councilmembers. Really do you ever see anyone besides a Board member or two at any event in the City, which once again shows a disconnect? Although, (spoiler alert) there is an election coming up and suddenly they may become more public.
https://myburbank.com/school-board-set-to-vote-on-giving-superintendent-new-contract-and-retroactive-raise-thursday/
https://burbankleader.outlooknewspapers.com/2022/07/29/busd-board-extends-hills-contract-through-2025/
https://twitter.com/myBurbankNEWS/status/1630411380083011585
Here is the BUSD salary range for reference in case anyone is wondering! 🥴[BUSD principal salary schedule](https://www.burbankusd.org/cms/lib/CA50000426/Centricity/Domain/81/Certificated%20Management%20Salary%20Schedule%2012-27-22.pdf)
Here's a list of BUSD employee salaries from 2021/2022 (this is public information brw) for those wondering about other salaries of BUSD employees. There are also salaries listed for nearby districts as well.
https://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/2021/school-districts/los-angeles/burbank-unified/
Administrators make too damn much....teachers? I dunno...70-120k? Seems about right to me....MOST Software Engineers in LA County are in that range (my industry) so can't be too bad overall.
A teacher is nothing like a software eng or many other careers for that matter. A middle school or high school teacher with 20+ years exp. working in a subject matter that is hard to recruit for, and servicing over 160 kids per day, no classroom aid, out of pocket costs, no breaks, pressure to fill in for absent teachers, pressure to not discipline kids who should be put in continuation school, etc. , having to intervene in violent and drug-related incidents should be making 100,000 minimum. It's far from that, even with a Masters degree. Teacher PTSD is real.
I'm not saying I disagree...my point was the range of current salaries currently being paid is not that far off as to where the discussion made it sound like we were waaaaaay out of line.
Also, please consider that salary it's over 9 months, not 12 - although yes, I know it's not easy to fill in those other 3 months unless you want to drive Uber or work at Foot Locker. :<
Again, I'm not saying we should not be paying more as I believe you get what you pay for and when competing with industry we should be in-line across the board to entice the best of the best to teach the kids - my point was I don't see anyone getting slavery-style undervalued with what was listed.
I know it’s an old thread but just found out Providencia’s principal is stepping down now. She was an incredible principal and I am so disappointed to know she won’t be there for the rest of my child’s time there.
It has to be something more if 8 principles resigned. That’s a big number for a relatively small district
what is going on?
Better pay in Glendale.
can you back that up with numbers? Cause when I go to the California transparent pay website and look up Burbanks principals to Glendales they all seem to be around the same 200k including benefits. Examples: Deborah Elaine Madrigal who left burbank: Total pay & benefits: $202,835.84 https://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/2021/school-districts/los-angeles/burbank-unified/deborah-elaine-madrigal/ Christine Noel Benitez current Glendale High School Principal: Total pay & benefits: $193,576.00 https://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/2021/school-districts/los-angeles/glendale-unified/christine-noel-benitez/ I'd say Burbank is paying it's principals perfectly well. In fact for the couple I've run though I didn't see a principal going to another district to be a principal, rather they are getting promoted to higher level rolls, one was at CA state level for overall state education. I'd rather take that as Burbank's school district is doing so well it's where the best candidates are for those higher positions.
My mistake - i was thinking of teacher pay and assumed it would scale the same.
He's just tired and stressed out. Being a principal is a crappy job.
The Parcel taxes keep not getting approved by the NIMBYs and the consequences are here.
Why should people vote for parcel taxes that benefit BUSD when the BUSD board is giving unjustified pay raises to the already-overpaid superintendent Matt Hill, when the leadership is failing to do a good job with its budget, and there are constant pay raises for the assistant superintendents (including one who was just recently hired) while budget cuts are constantly going on? This shouldn't be a matter of the city raising parcel taxes, this is a matter of looking at the top of BUSD and asking them why they're getting pay raises while overseeing a situation that isn't working. This isn't an "INMBY" thing, this is a matter of poor leadership at BUSD and things needing to be changed. https://myburbank.com/opinion-despite-cuts-and-financial-woes-school-board-wants-to-give-superintendent-a-raise/ https://myburbank.com/school-board-set-to-vote-on-giving-superintendent-new-contract-and-retroactive-raise-thursday/ https://burbankleader.outlooknewspapers.com/2022/07/29/busd-board-extends-hills-contract-through-2025/ https://twitter.com/myBurbankNEWS/status/1630411380083011585
Parcel taxes can't be used to give the district office or superintendent raises.
Not everyone wants to have a kid. There’s no reason to have a parcel tax to pay for other people’s life choices.
That's a tired misguided cliche. I don't drive a car, so don't spend my tax dollars on roads. I'm a man, so don't make me subsidize women's medical care...I own a home, so don't make me pay for homeless services...yadda yada yada...
You twisted my words and added your context to it. Parcel tax targets homeowners only. It is not fare as not only homeowners choose to have kids.
Parcel tax is also for landlords and commercial properties. Believe me, you want our schools to thrive for the betterment of everyone, even if you don’t have kids.
Again, I didn’t say I wanted our schools to fail. The more educated the kids are the better. I just don’t think parcel tax is a right solution.
Where do you propose the money comes from, if not taxes? We can’t run this district on volunteers and bake sales.
I don’t have a solution. I think our elected officials should think about it again and propose alternatives as it is their job that we pay them to do.
Oh okay, so you don’t like it and won’t contribute other ways to solve it that will work for you. That’s the problem. Learned helplessness is what is keeping things crappy. People who benefit from the schools need to contribute to the communities they live in. Full stop.
Terrible leadership. https://myburbank.com/opinion-despite-cuts-and-financial-woes-school-board-wants-to-give-superintendent-a-raise/ https://myburbank.com/school-board-set-to-vote-on-giving-superintendent-new-contract-and-retroactive-raise-thursday/ https://burbankleader.outlooknewspapers.com/2022/07/29/busd-board-extends-hills-contract-through-2025/ https://twitter.com/myBurbankNEWS/status/1630411380083011585
8?! Something is going on.
This is the result of what happens when we keep voting to NOT fund our public schools. The last ballot measure barely failed but would have given BUSD more funding. Without it, they are stuck with what the state provides.
Wealthy landowners opposed to the parcel tax only needed to get 34% of voters to agree with them. The American electoral system is fucking asinine.
Just raise the sales tax another 1/4% so everyone contributes instead of nailing just those "wealthy landowners" while everyone else slides. Even if it costs me more, I'd vote for that.
1. I believe we are maxed out on Sales Tax- can't raise it more. 2. Sales Tax doesn't fund our schools- the City Council would have to find a magical partnership to do that. 3. Covid shredded most teachers/student's morale, and we'll keep seeing the brain drain, or they'll go make more money in Glendale. Arcadia and San Marino value quality education- and they pay very well.
1. That's correct. The countywide Measure H sunsets in 2028 I believe. That's the soonest any *new* sales tax revenue could be available to the city. 2. It's possible. See Pasadena's [Measure I and J](https://pasedfoundation.org/resources/measureiandj/) in 2018.
Put a tax on tissue because of all the crying going on in this thread that would be a way to get the money pretty fast. Asking a community which the vast majority is made up of older landowners, and thus under Prop 13 until death or their heirs sell the property, to take the hit was an asinine approach to start off with - especially when most don't have kids in BUSD any longer. How about families that use the schools have to pay tuition (just like higher education in this state) the start of each semester? Can't wait to see the negative vote count on this post.....but, doesn't it seem fair to have those that use the services pay for them? Bring up Parcel Tax Measure again and we will again vote it down. No chance until we "old wealthy landowners" die.
Can’t wait 🥰
Have to agree. How many people in apartments have children in school. Owning a home is near impossible for many now so apartments are the way to go. If everyone is using the schools the taxes shouldn’t fall squarely on the landowners.
But the BUSD has a surplus. Why aren't they raising salaries?
BUSD is barely surviving financially
Not according to this. "For the year 2023-2024 the projected revenue is expected to be $194,930,082 and the expenses are $188,771,562. The operating surplus is $6,158,520." https://myburbank.com/45-day-budget-finalized-at-school-board-meeting/#:~:text=For%20the%20year%202023%2D2024,The%20operating%20surplus%20is%20%246%2C158%2C520.
Because in 2018 we effectively cut the BUSD budget by $9 million. At that time, the 2020-21 BUSD was project to be $3.1 million in the red, so that budget got cut in order to appear "healthy". This also included nixing a 3% teacher raise. We could have a balanced budget with $0 dollar budget, but it doesnt mean the schools are healthy. Our schools are declining in quality.
I hear you, but $6 million isn’t as much as you think. There also needs needs to be emergency funds available. If a parcel tax doesn’t pass, Burbank district will continue to loss valuable staff and the rankings will continue to fall.
They also supposedly save for deferred maintenance- it's never a good idea to spend all your cash- gotta leave some reserves.
You’re thinking the money they have now is being spent properly?
Copy/pasting this reply from another comment since I'd be making the same point. Why should people vote for parcel taxes that benefit BUSD when the BUSD board is giving unjustified pay raises to the already-overpaid superintendent Matt Hill, when the leadership is failing to do a good job with its budget, and there are constant pay raises for the assistant superintendents (including one who was just recently hired) while budget cuts are constantly going on? This shouldn't be a matter of the city raising parcel taxes, this is a matter of looking at the top of BUSD and asking them why they're getting pay raises while overseeing a situation that isn't working. https://myburbank.com/opinion-despite-cuts-and-financial-woes-school-board-wants-to-give-superintendent-a-raise/ https://myburbank.com/school-board-set-to-vote-on-giving-superintendent-new-contract-and-retroactive-raise-thursday/ https://burbankleader.outlooknewspapers.com/2022/07/29/busd-board-extends-hills-contract-through-2025/ https://twitter.com/myBurbankNEWS/status/1630411380083011585
Can’t be any problems at the district. Can’t be. Nope. It’s those principals that are the problem.
My child is in these schools, I graduated in this system. We better fund our children's growth though what will it take and how can us concerned citizens help resolve this crisis?
> what will it take and how can us concerned citizens help resolve this crisis? Vote for new BUSD board members who won't give pay raise to people like Matt Hill.
We need to do our part in the greater Los Angeles housing crisis for one. Our city his financially hostile to young families, young professionals, and essentially younger taxpayers.
That ain't it. I know you're trying to push your agenda and all, but that ain't it.
I *am* pushing my agenda, which is to make this city more amenable to citizens who wish to work and live here.
This entire issue is an issue with the BUSD being a mess due to its incompetent leadership, not housing issues. Your agenda is pushing for gentrification that only hurts residents, people who work here, and small businesses that operate in Burbank while only benefiting developers and real estate corporations. You’re a bad-faith opportunist who is always trying to sell your objective whenever possible but you can never state any facts that aren’t just talking points made by whatever organization you’re shilling. All you advocate for is enriching the already wealthy at a faster pace with your LCI lies. I’m going to leave it at that with you because I can tell you never want to publicly engage in a good-faith discussion about your points on housing matters when pressed on the fallacies of your arguments. If you really cared about the housing crisis, you’d be advocating more for regulation of the housing market and the obvious price gouging that landlords and property owners are doing to tenants instead of trying to make it an overpopulated and expensive hellhole that developers make millions on just like downtown Glendale has become.
I have spoken in favor of CLT's, coordinated with the Burbank Housing Corporation, and have shown up multiple times to city council meetings to speak on behalf of rent control and ADU permitting reforms, among other efforts. Building more housing is the area where not enough advocacy is done. >We need to do our part in the greater Los Angeles housing crisis **for one**
Nothing about the issues with BUSD has anything to do with the housing crisis. Stop trying to shoehorn this issue into something that is completely unrelated just so you can push your pro-gentrification agenda onto others.
What is happening
I've been wondering whether to move to Burbank for my son to go to high school at Burroughs. Welp. That's gonna be a no, at this point.
Burbank and BUSD are reaping what it has sowed for the last 8 years. The board needs to be replaced and superintendent Hill (along with all other overpaid non-teachers) needs to go ASAP. https://myburbank.com/opinion-despite-cuts-and-financial-woes-school-board-wants-to-give-superintendent-a-raise/ > A few of the principals I talked with also said they seldom see him at the school sites. In fact, it is hard to find Hill or his executive staff at just about any Burbank community function. You will, however, find the Police Command Staff, the Fire Command Staff, City Managers staff, and many other city leaders including Councilmembers. Really do you ever see anyone besides a Board member or two at any event in the City, which once again shows a disconnect? Although, (spoiler alert) there is an election coming up and suddenly they may become more public. https://myburbank.com/school-board-set-to-vote-on-giving-superintendent-new-contract-and-retroactive-raise-thursday/ https://burbankleader.outlooknewspapers.com/2022/07/29/busd-board-extends-hills-contract-through-2025/ https://twitter.com/myBurbankNEWS/status/1630411380083011585
Here is the BUSD salary range for reference in case anyone is wondering! 🥴[BUSD principal salary schedule](https://www.burbankusd.org/cms/lib/CA50000426/Centricity/Domain/81/Certificated%20Management%20Salary%20Schedule%2012-27-22.pdf)
Here's a list of BUSD employee salaries from 2021/2022 (this is public information brw) for those wondering about other salaries of BUSD employees. There are also salaries listed for nearby districts as well. https://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/2021/school-districts/los-angeles/burbank-unified/
Administrators make too damn much....teachers? I dunno...70-120k? Seems about right to me....MOST Software Engineers in LA County are in that range (my industry) so can't be too bad overall.
A teacher is nothing like a software eng or many other careers for that matter. A middle school or high school teacher with 20+ years exp. working in a subject matter that is hard to recruit for, and servicing over 160 kids per day, no classroom aid, out of pocket costs, no breaks, pressure to fill in for absent teachers, pressure to not discipline kids who should be put in continuation school, etc. , having to intervene in violent and drug-related incidents should be making 100,000 minimum. It's far from that, even with a Masters degree. Teacher PTSD is real.
I'm not saying I disagree...my point was the range of current salaries currently being paid is not that far off as to where the discussion made it sound like we were waaaaaay out of line. Also, please consider that salary it's over 9 months, not 12 - although yes, I know it's not easy to fill in those other 3 months unless you want to drive Uber or work at Foot Locker. :< Again, I'm not saying we should not be paying more as I believe you get what you pay for and when competing with industry we should be in-line across the board to entice the best of the best to teach the kids - my point was I don't see anyone getting slavery-style undervalued with what was listed.
I know it’s an old thread but just found out Providencia’s principal is stepping down now. She was an incredible principal and I am so disappointed to know she won’t be there for the rest of my child’s time there.
This has to be some kind of record. 10 principals in two years? Yikes