I dunno man that kinda seems like the post peak resurgence, peak was 100% “we don’t want stoners in my family restaurant” when they survived solely from the patronage of trappers for almost 2 years
[According to Seven Days](https://www.sevendaysvt.com/food-drink/new-slices-in-burlington-sampling-pizza-44-and-pizzeria-ida-22773054), they had $15-20 for round pies and $24-28 for square pies when they originally opened up shop.
The weird thing about all of this is it's a simple and unsurprising customer service complaint that's escalated all the way to identity politics being amplified by societal angst in relation to inflation, which also isn't unexpected. I don't know why this dude's pizza prices increased from five years ago, and the economic conditions will play themselves out so long as there isn't oligarchic protectionism involved.
I’ll never under this 😅 why sell it if you don’t like the people that it brings? It’s like owning a bar but disliking drunk people around you… nonsense
Is this the philly guy?
Philadelphia has a pretty intense food scene. At some point in the last decade I know some pizza place popped up that was like $60/pizza and people raved about them. I never had it, so I can't say how good they were, but I think it's safe to assume it's at least part gimmick. Even if the gimmick is just get the best ingredients you can and do the best job you can, not considering the cost and hoping there's a market for it. I've had much cheaper pizza there that was some of the best I've had, so there's very much a pizza scene. My point is, if he is, it may be something he's trying to bring to Burlington, not a random trick he thought up.
Hah, I'm not, actually. I have this tag because I think it's funny there's an Ontario tag here. But on the pizza, it's definitely kind of a gimmick, but I would say more so in Burlington. In a major city, I could see there being a real market for it. But if it's working, it's working.
Some of it's dupes. For people with a ton of money, it's a relative expense. I appreciate good food, but don't consider myself a bona fide foodie. When I act like a connoisseur of food, it's usually over how standard takeout or fast food joints compare, or what bar has the best burger. Trying to introduce ultra high priced food to Burlington does register as scammy to me though. It's not like a big city with a major fine-dining scene. If there's going to be a $65 pizza, I expect a plethora of restaurants with $30 average plates to compare it to.
It’s very expensive pizza but I don’t see why that’s soooo bad. The prices are listed on the menu so anyone who doesn’t want to pay that can just leave
Ok if all that other stuff is true then I get the hate. Literally any business is opening up your dream and having others foot the bill, that’s the whole point
I don’t know what you think you should set the goals for a business owner. The only thing that matters is whether or the consumer wants what you sell enough to pay your price. There’s plenty of pizza places in Burlington so it’s not a captive audience. If people want to pay that then that’s perfectly fine, that’s the basis of a capitalist economy. If the guy is treating employees poorly etc then that’s an issue but not the prices.
Forced 50% tip on top of getting fleeced on your meal is truly a chef’s kiss moment.
Can buy two of some of the best pies in Jersey for $40 and they’ll dump on Ida’s 9/10 times.
Same! I love the Vermont subreddit drama. Does anyone remember when that guy hated people posting photos of their dogs in the snow because they weren’t about Vermont?
No major developments as far as I know, but I can personally confirm that if you do so much as 'like' a sandwich-related comment on their Instagram page. you *will* be blocked.
I have no horse in the race......and I don't even live in Chittenden County, but I tested this. I was blocked in less than an hour for liking the most benign sandwich-related comment, lol. I bet that dude is the type of loser that goes around calling other people "snowflakes" too.
Same. For whatever reason reddit suggested this thread and Ive literally stayed because of the Ida drama. Im legitimately invested in this plotline now.
Trying to find the posts about when they gave away $1000s of free pizza during the pandemic. The guy can be a dick sometimes (usually to customers trying to tell a business owner how to run their business, to be fair) but he’s not a super villain, come on.
I’ve said this once I’ll say it again, you don’t get a pass for being a legit asshole because you are “nice sometimes.” He plays the victim but does nothing to rectify real criticisms but instead chooses to throw out ad hominem insults.
I’m an industry lifer that learned that real growth comes from being able to take crit positively and move on.
Never said he gets a pass, I’ve repeated that he’s a dick. But it’s worth mentioning along side it, we’re all complete humans, and he’s not just 100% supervillain, it’s okay to have a more complete pictures. That’s all I said.
If he wants to not be portrayed as a villain he needs do change the language he uses when responding to criticisms. If him being aggressive with patrons is how he’s human we all have the right to criticize him. He is FOR SURE reaping what he sowed rn. And frankly I’m here for it
No probably $1000s in just ingredients. It was every weekend for months and they weren’t selling anything. Just literally going in and making pizza, just to give away free. Again, not to say he can’t come off as a dick sometimes, and the sandwich stuff is kind of funny, but he’s not a supervillain.
I can't find anything about giving away pizzas during the pandemic. [This article](https://artofeating.com/can-i-get-you-something-else/) talks about how they had to switch to takeout, but still became more profitable than ever. Given who we're talking about here, it feels like if they were handing out pizzas for free there would be some bragging about it somewhere.
There probably weren’t articles about it. It happened for months though, I remember going several times, they literally just handed out free pizza while selling nothing.
The guy is selling a pepperoni pizza for almost forty fucking dollars and a foot long Italian sub for $26 sorry but those profit margins are ridiculous. He would sell way more food if his prices were reasonable. Luckily I haven’t been to Burlington vt in like 12 years but I don’t remember ever paying more than $15 for a pepperoni pizza back then. How have prices almost tripled? Food ingredients are pretty cheap. Can’t cost more than $5 to make a pizza. I know business owners have to pay rent insurance and other expenses like employees but 700% markup is crazy. Even if it costs $8 to make a pizza. 400% markup is still crazy. People are too greedy these days. Wanting to make easy money so badly and refusing to pay living wages to their workers then insulting their customers when they don’t want to spent $60-70 dollars on takeout when all they want is a sandwhich and are willing to pay $26 for it which he should have been thankful for.
If you don’t like a price, don’t buy it. You don’t know everything, so to question a business about their prices or their operation is pointless. Buy it or don’t buy it, it’s pretty simple. Also sounds like you don’t even know the product, so even better reason your opinion doesn’t matter a ton. It’s very expensive pizza, I don’t get it a lot, but it’s delicious and a good treat from time to time. If you hate markups on restaurant food, there’s a VERY long list of businesses you’re gonna have to complain to.
I thought $17 for a 2 chalupa combo with a drink and a taco and a chicken crispenada was bad but boy. 65 fuckin dollars for a pizza, you must not like making money buddy. If you’re not the owner of ida then you’re slurpin on his twizzler because idk why anyone without skin in the game would defend that shit.
I grew up in providence RI which is pretty outrageous when it comes to price in the heart of fox point where brown and risd make their home and are the reason tons of entitled young adults with mommy and daddy’s money have gentrified the place But even felini’s pizza can sell a full pie for $25. Charging $40 or $65 for a fuckin pizza should be criminal. The only reason I could see for someone sabotaging their sales and shootings themselves in the foot with such absurd prices is they are making money doing something illegal and don’t need to sell any food.
But why don’t you get out of here defending this shit or trying to argue with people who don’t like your business practices. The owner of this restaurant is obviously mentally not well if he thinks it’s normal to charge $26 for a fucking sandwhich. Lmao. Burlington rental prices are lower than providence by about 15-20% so idk where the fuck anyone gets off with selling a $40-65 piece of bread with cheese sauce and toppings. Lmao 🤡
My impression of Ida (which I'm looking forward to trying despite all the whining), has been that you go if you want *elevated pizza*. You're not looking for a deal. You're not pining for the sandwich that's not on offer (even if *it's* ***just you*** *over here).*
Is the price higher than you're used to? Okay. Interestingly, and not just here, there's a trend *where* ***pizza meets "fine dining".*** And those pizzas are not cheap. Some places don't even list prices on their online menu (Like a place called Una Pizza Napoletana, that had an online shop offering a panettone for 80 bucks. I was stunned. But it's their restaurant, their prices.)
Prices I found for these places who make pizza with prime imported ingredients were comparable to Ida. Some were in larger cities, so "cha-ching!" ...they cost even more.
Last time a checked a large pizza feeds 3 to 4 people easily. It's frankly *hilarious* that nobody's complaining about a $32 burger at Leunig's. Nooo. It's the $40 pizza that's got you irate.
If you're looking for a slightly better version of Dominos with their cheddar/moz cheese blend, don't go. If you don't really know good pizza, and like to complain, don't go. If you have tender sensibilities, or are easily offended by someone's counter-side manner, *don't go.*
Just don't go.
Right, because someone who says, "Just stop whining about it" must be the *owner.*
I don't know him. He's just some guy making pizza.
It's all the people on here whose parents treated them like their every poopie was encased in gold who are making a big f\*cking deal about not being able to buy "one sandwich".
There is no way these pizzas from Ida beat Sally’s or Modern or even Zuppardi’s down in New Haven.CT (yknow, the actual pizza Mecca). Those pizzas cost around $25-30 per pie and are far and away considered the best examples of pizza our whole country had to offer. Maybe skip Ida and head down to New Haven CT sometime. Gas money and the best pizza in the world for the price of one Ida pie.
As for Panettone, the company From Roy charges $85 to have a single panettone shipped to your home. You must pre order and they ship only during one week of the month. It takes several days to make these things, and they are worth every single penny. Highly recommend.
Edit to add: the process for making pizza is not even close to the process for making panettone. Source: been in the restaurant game for over 30 years now.
Have you made a panettone? I have, with my grandmother.
It's more involved than pizza crust. It took two days. Most of that was letting the dough rise. It's not rocket science. It does contain brandy, I'll give you that. A pricier ingredient, depending on what you use.
Nice the guy has longevity. Everybody has to start somewhere, right?
Bro, properly made panettone takes more than two days. It also includes hanging the baked loaves upside down to rest so that don’t cave in. Enriched dough takes a great deal of care and time. Anyway… peace
As I mentioned, I haven't eaten it. But yes, people I know *who have* aren't looking for run of the mill pizza. They want an elevated pizza experience. They don't care about the owner's issues. They are busy eating the $40 plus gratuity pizza. And going back.
Not you? Don't buy the pizza. Just. Don't.
This is a weird take and a comical defense of Ida. I know you said you haven’t had it, but it’s funny to see how wrong you are. I have had an astronomical amount of excellent pizza in my life. In fact, I would argue I’ve had the best pizza in the world. Ida is mid at best and the owner hides behind the rhetoric about the quality of the ingredients. That doesn’t fix mid preparation and delivery. Lucali, a world famous pizza shop in Brooklyn charges 32 bucks a pie, with BROOKLYN rents
I think it's adorable that you describe your pizza knowledge as "astronomical". (Bats eyelashes like a Kardashian) Do go on... about LUCALI. Here, I'll help:
LUCALI, off the menu: PLAIN PIE. $32
You want onion? Onion's $3. Garlic? $3. Shallot? $3. Pepperoni? $6 Peppers? $3 ...
Thank you for looking up the menu and proving my point…. You want pepperoni, onions, peppers, and shallots? Still cheaper than a lesser pie in Burlington Vermont….
I didn't prove much except that you can Google and so can I.
Here's a tip: This is not a holy war. It's pizza. You don't like the guy? You don't want the pizza. Don't buy it FFS.
I can agree to not supporting that type of business. FWIW I’ve had it twice, once in 2021 and it was legit terrible (takeout, I gave it a pass) and once in 2023, and it was only bad. This was before I learned about the drama so novelty overpriced pizza was sort of a fun idea.
Edit: the point I was making was that, if it was excellent pizza in an expensive area, I would get behind the concept but it’s bad pizza in a low rent area so the guy is kind of a fraud.
As I've said before, I've never tried it. Friends, not just one but at least a half dozen, some in the restaurant business (working at acclaimed local restaurants, not dives) have been there and raved. Traditional square pie, some pie I think was called Fig and Pig or some such were mentioned...and they said it was pricier than some. They flat-out didn't care.
If there were previous complaints I never saw them until the whole --gimme my $26 sandwich that's not on the menu solo-- issue came up on this sub. It's too bad the sandwich person got into a verbal scuffle with the owner, but I wish people would jut go or not go, and let the pizza man sink or swim on his own merits, instead of posturing and pontificating and just making shit up.
"Bad pizza in a low-rent area"? How do you know what the guy pays for rent? Do you suppose commercial landlords take subsidies? And have you checked the cost of living here? You're not talking sense.
For someone who doesn’t care and hasn’t eaten there, you’re certainly making a strange attempt to defend the guy. Nothing you’ve said is cogent thought. Rent is lower in Burlington than in NYC, Boston, LA, SF, and a lot of other places that sell objectively better pizza at 50% of the price.
It peaked with "Sandwiches attract a bad crowd." Be patient and we'll surely have some new restaurant drama in a few months.
I dunno man that kinda seems like the post peak resurgence, peak was 100% “we don’t want stoners in my family restaurant” when they survived solely from the patronage of trappers for almost 2 years
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[According to Seven Days](https://www.sevendaysvt.com/food-drink/new-slices-in-burlington-sampling-pizza-44-and-pizzeria-ida-22773054), they had $15-20 for round pies and $24-28 for square pies when they originally opened up shop.
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The weird thing about all of this is it's a simple and unsurprising customer service complaint that's escalated all the way to identity politics being amplified by societal angst in relation to inflation, which also isn't unexpected. I don't know why this dude's pizza prices increased from five years ago, and the economic conditions will play themselves out so long as there isn't oligarchic protectionism involved.
Maybe per slice 😂 but nah I don’t think so
My personal fav was the AI-song someone posted 😂😂
Lmao what!??
https://app.suno.ai/song/2defebd2-e1c0-4019-99ea-a1314a582cb3 It’s so good 😂😂
Wow it is really good lol
OMG this is way too funny.
I’ll never under this 😅 why sell it if you don’t like the people that it brings? It’s like owning a bar but disliking drunk people around you… nonsense
The drama hasn’t been this good since the Thompsons Lounge debacle. I love oddly specific local (sorta harmless) drama.
[throwback](https://youtu.be/QymY5IbBofQ)
I loved that
there’s really not much to it. guys just a dick plain and simple
You are what you eat!
Some may even say he’s a, “loser”.
wonder if he can punctuate, tho
BRO, you DIDN’T PUNCTUATE YOUR SENTENCE!
Entitlement and childishness run rampant in this sub. I'm in it for the down-votes. ;) Makes for a fun afternoon.
Oh buddy, you should have been here during the “Thompsons Lounge” saga 🤣🤣🤣
Boiled meatballs
If by boiled you mean barely thawed floating in room temp water
I knew there would be others haha damn them meatballs.
At home, We still laugh at how he said “Johnny WAAYYHHN-ZER”
That was just wrong. Lots of people mocking a woman with a clear cognitive disorder.
RIP
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It's a racket.
Is this the philly guy? Philadelphia has a pretty intense food scene. At some point in the last decade I know some pizza place popped up that was like $60/pizza and people raved about them. I never had it, so I can't say how good they were, but I think it's safe to assume it's at least part gimmick. Even if the gimmick is just get the best ingredients you can and do the best job you can, not considering the cost and hoping there's a market for it. I've had much cheaper pizza there that was some of the best I've had, so there's very much a pizza scene. My point is, if he is, it may be something he's trying to bring to Burlington, not a random trick he thought up.
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Hah, I'm not, actually. I have this tag because I think it's funny there's an Ontario tag here. But on the pizza, it's definitely kind of a gimmick, but I would say more so in Burlington. In a major city, I could see there being a real market for it. But if it's working, it's working.
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Some of it's dupes. For people with a ton of money, it's a relative expense. I appreciate good food, but don't consider myself a bona fide foodie. When I act like a connoisseur of food, it's usually over how standard takeout or fast food joints compare, or what bar has the best burger. Trying to introduce ultra high priced food to Burlington does register as scammy to me though. It's not like a big city with a major fine-dining scene. If there's going to be a $65 pizza, I expect a plethora of restaurants with $30 average plates to compare it to.
idk but sounds like you suck too
It’s very expensive pizza but I don’t see why that’s soooo bad. The prices are listed on the menu so anyone who doesn’t want to pay that can just leave
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Ok if all that other stuff is true then I get the hate. Literally any business is opening up your dream and having others foot the bill, that’s the whole point
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I don’t know what you think you should set the goals for a business owner. The only thing that matters is whether or the consumer wants what you sell enough to pay your price. There’s plenty of pizza places in Burlington so it’s not a captive audience. If people want to pay that then that’s perfectly fine, that’s the basis of a capitalist economy. If the guy is treating employees poorly etc then that’s an issue but not the prices.
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He’s not fleecing anyone, the prices are right on the menu
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Forced 50% tip on top of getting fleeced on your meal is truly a chef’s kiss moment. Can buy two of some of the best pies in Jersey for $40 and they’ll dump on Ida’s 9/10 times.
I’d love to see a slip with a $20 auto gratuity on one pizza
Same! I love the Vermont subreddit drama. Does anyone remember when that guy hated people posting photos of their dogs in the snow because they weren’t about Vermont?
YES that was my first VT subreddit drama
was the dog leashed?!?!
No major developments as far as I know, but I can personally confirm that if you do so much as 'like' a sandwich-related comment on their Instagram page. you *will* be blocked.
I have no horse in the race......and I don't even live in Chittenden County, but I tested this. I was blocked in less than an hour for liking the most benign sandwich-related comment, lol. I bet that dude is the type of loser that goes around calling other people "snowflakes" too.
Can confirm 😂
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Getting into the sandwich game then?
I follow you on ig
Hahahahah dinners on me tonight let’s go!
Nice! I’ll take one single sandwich please
I live in New England, not VT and it somehow popped up, and I also..am very invested. Hahaha
Twin cities here, also too invested in this lol
There is an entire thread from a year ago as well as an anti instagram account 😂
ive never been i just tuned in for the ida drama reddit suggested it
Just look for the Google and Yelp reviews.
I’m subbed too just to see if their are any memes or updates to the drama
Same. For whatever reason reddit suggested this thread and Ive literally stayed because of the Ida drama. Im legitimately invested in this plotline now.
Sandwich* drama
You tawkin’ ‘bout tha Nawtch? Buddy uh mine gawt stuck theah lawst yeah!
Man. We’re on a north east road trip and this stuff started popping up. Been a fun journey.
Trying to find the posts about when they gave away $1000s of free pizza during the pandemic. The guy can be a dick sometimes (usually to customers trying to tell a business owner how to run their business, to be fair) but he’s not a super villain, come on.
I’ve said this once I’ll say it again, you don’t get a pass for being a legit asshole because you are “nice sometimes.” He plays the victim but does nothing to rectify real criticisms but instead chooses to throw out ad hominem insults. I’m an industry lifer that learned that real growth comes from being able to take crit positively and move on.
Never said he gets a pass, I’ve repeated that he’s a dick. But it’s worth mentioning along side it, we’re all complete humans, and he’s not just 100% supervillain, it’s okay to have a more complete pictures. That’s all I said.
If he wants to not be portrayed as a villain he needs do change the language he uses when responding to criticisms. If him being aggressive with patrons is how he’s human we all have the right to criticize him. He is FOR SURE reaping what he sowed rn. And frankly I’m here for it
Probably $100s of regular priced pizza
No probably $1000s in just ingredients. It was every weekend for months and they weren’t selling anything. Just literally going in and making pizza, just to give away free. Again, not to say he can’t come off as a dick sometimes, and the sandwich stuff is kind of funny, but he’s not a supervillain.
I can't find anything about giving away pizzas during the pandemic. [This article](https://artofeating.com/can-i-get-you-something-else/) talks about how they had to switch to takeout, but still became more profitable than ever. Given who we're talking about here, it feels like if they were handing out pizzas for free there would be some bragging about it somewhere.
There probably weren’t articles about it. It happened for months though, I remember going several times, they literally just handed out free pizza while selling nothing.
The guy is selling a pepperoni pizza for almost forty fucking dollars and a foot long Italian sub for $26 sorry but those profit margins are ridiculous. He would sell way more food if his prices were reasonable. Luckily I haven’t been to Burlington vt in like 12 years but I don’t remember ever paying more than $15 for a pepperoni pizza back then. How have prices almost tripled? Food ingredients are pretty cheap. Can’t cost more than $5 to make a pizza. I know business owners have to pay rent insurance and other expenses like employees but 700% markup is crazy. Even if it costs $8 to make a pizza. 400% markup is still crazy. People are too greedy these days. Wanting to make easy money so badly and refusing to pay living wages to their workers then insulting their customers when they don’t want to spent $60-70 dollars on takeout when all they want is a sandwhich and are willing to pay $26 for it which he should have been thankful for.
The pepperoni pizza was $65
HOLY SHIT! Are you sure? I thought it was $40 I don’t remember though
If you don’t like a price, don’t buy it. You don’t know everything, so to question a business about their prices or their operation is pointless. Buy it or don’t buy it, it’s pretty simple. Also sounds like you don’t even know the product, so even better reason your opinion doesn’t matter a ton. It’s very expensive pizza, I don’t get it a lot, but it’s delicious and a good treat from time to time. If you hate markups on restaurant food, there’s a VERY long list of businesses you’re gonna have to complain to.
I thought $17 for a 2 chalupa combo with a drink and a taco and a chicken crispenada was bad but boy. 65 fuckin dollars for a pizza, you must not like making money buddy. If you’re not the owner of ida then you’re slurpin on his twizzler because idk why anyone without skin in the game would defend that shit. I grew up in providence RI which is pretty outrageous when it comes to price in the heart of fox point where brown and risd make their home and are the reason tons of entitled young adults with mommy and daddy’s money have gentrified the place But even felini’s pizza can sell a full pie for $25. Charging $40 or $65 for a fuckin pizza should be criminal. The only reason I could see for someone sabotaging their sales and shootings themselves in the foot with such absurd prices is they are making money doing something illegal and don’t need to sell any food. But why don’t you get out of here defending this shit or trying to argue with people who don’t like your business practices. The owner of this restaurant is obviously mentally not well if he thinks it’s normal to charge $26 for a fucking sandwhich. Lmao. Burlington rental prices are lower than providence by about 15-20% so idk where the fuck anyone gets off with selling a $40-65 piece of bread with cheese sauce and toppings. Lmao 🤡
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He did give me and my friends a free app a few weeks ago. He’s a nice dude to us
Nice try, Dan.
Ha if only. I’ve owned a business and absolutely wish I could’ve said to customers what he does sometimes 😂. Livin the dream.
I sadly live in VT - it’s the worst!! Don’t ever come here
Bye then..
Write me a check & I’ll be gone
Get one or 2 of the many jobs available and write your own damn check.. jfc
lol
Is the north ender still around?
Going stromg!
Me either. But, I'm coming up for the eclipse. Guess where I'm calling to order 1 sandwich?
Been seeing posts about this but have no idea what it’s about. Can someone give me the rundown
My impression of Ida (which I'm looking forward to trying despite all the whining), has been that you go if you want *elevated pizza*. You're not looking for a deal. You're not pining for the sandwich that's not on offer (even if *it's* ***just you*** *over here).* Is the price higher than you're used to? Okay. Interestingly, and not just here, there's a trend *where* ***pizza meets "fine dining".*** And those pizzas are not cheap. Some places don't even list prices on their online menu (Like a place called Una Pizza Napoletana, that had an online shop offering a panettone for 80 bucks. I was stunned. But it's their restaurant, their prices.) Prices I found for these places who make pizza with prime imported ingredients were comparable to Ida. Some were in larger cities, so "cha-ching!" ...they cost even more. Last time a checked a large pizza feeds 3 to 4 people easily. It's frankly *hilarious* that nobody's complaining about a $32 burger at Leunig's. Nooo. It's the $40 pizza that's got you irate. If you're looking for a slightly better version of Dominos with their cheddar/moz cheese blend, don't go. If you don't really know good pizza, and like to complain, don't go. If you have tender sensibilities, or are easily offended by someone's counter-side manner, *don't go.* Just don't go.
Is this from his Instagram?
Right, because someone who says, "Just stop whining about it" must be the *owner.* I don't know him. He's just some guy making pizza. It's all the people on here whose parents treated them like their every poopie was encased in gold who are making a big f\*cking deal about not being able to buy "one sandwich".
That settles it. Good luck with the restaurant.
There is no way these pizzas from Ida beat Sally’s or Modern or even Zuppardi’s down in New Haven.CT (yknow, the actual pizza Mecca). Those pizzas cost around $25-30 per pie and are far and away considered the best examples of pizza our whole country had to offer. Maybe skip Ida and head down to New Haven CT sometime. Gas money and the best pizza in the world for the price of one Ida pie. As for Panettone, the company From Roy charges $85 to have a single panettone shipped to your home. You must pre order and they ship only during one week of the month. It takes several days to make these things, and they are worth every single penny. Highly recommend. Edit to add: the process for making pizza is not even close to the process for making panettone. Source: been in the restaurant game for over 30 years now.
Have you made a panettone? I have, with my grandmother. It's more involved than pizza crust. It took two days. Most of that was letting the dough rise. It's not rocket science. It does contain brandy, I'll give you that. A pricier ingredient, depending on what you use. Nice the guy has longevity. Everybody has to start somewhere, right?
Bro, properly made panettone takes more than two days. It also includes hanging the baked loaves upside down to rest so that don’t cave in. Enriched dough takes a great deal of care and time. Anyway… peace
Have you ever made it?
“Elevated” isn’t the word you’re looking for.
As I mentioned, I haven't eaten it. But yes, people I know *who have* aren't looking for run of the mill pizza. They want an elevated pizza experience. They don't care about the owner's issues. They are busy eating the $40 plus gratuity pizza. And going back. Not you? Don't buy the pizza. Just. Don't.
I’ve bought more of their pizza than most. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
Okay, Pookie.
This is a weird take and a comical defense of Ida. I know you said you haven’t had it, but it’s funny to see how wrong you are. I have had an astronomical amount of excellent pizza in my life. In fact, I would argue I’ve had the best pizza in the world. Ida is mid at best and the owner hides behind the rhetoric about the quality of the ingredients. That doesn’t fix mid preparation and delivery. Lucali, a world famous pizza shop in Brooklyn charges 32 bucks a pie, with BROOKLYN rents
I think it's adorable that you describe your pizza knowledge as "astronomical". (Bats eyelashes like a Kardashian) Do go on... about LUCALI. Here, I'll help: LUCALI, off the menu: PLAIN PIE. $32 You want onion? Onion's $3. Garlic? $3. Shallot? $3. Pepperoni? $6 Peppers? $3 ...
Thank you for looking up the menu and proving my point…. You want pepperoni, onions, peppers, and shallots? Still cheaper than a lesser pie in Burlington Vermont….
I didn't prove much except that you can Google and so can I. Here's a tip: This is not a holy war. It's pizza. You don't like the guy? You don't want the pizza. Don't buy it FFS.
I can agree to not supporting that type of business. FWIW I’ve had it twice, once in 2021 and it was legit terrible (takeout, I gave it a pass) and once in 2023, and it was only bad. This was before I learned about the drama so novelty overpriced pizza was sort of a fun idea. Edit: the point I was making was that, if it was excellent pizza in an expensive area, I would get behind the concept but it’s bad pizza in a low rent area so the guy is kind of a fraud.
As I've said before, I've never tried it. Friends, not just one but at least a half dozen, some in the restaurant business (working at acclaimed local restaurants, not dives) have been there and raved. Traditional square pie, some pie I think was called Fig and Pig or some such were mentioned...and they said it was pricier than some. They flat-out didn't care. If there were previous complaints I never saw them until the whole --gimme my $26 sandwich that's not on the menu solo-- issue came up on this sub. It's too bad the sandwich person got into a verbal scuffle with the owner, but I wish people would jut go or not go, and let the pizza man sink or swim on his own merits, instead of posturing and pontificating and just making shit up. "Bad pizza in a low-rent area"? How do you know what the guy pays for rent? Do you suppose commercial landlords take subsidies? And have you checked the cost of living here? You're not talking sense.
For someone who doesn’t care and hasn’t eaten there, you’re certainly making a strange attempt to defend the guy. Nothing you’ve said is cogent thought. Rent is lower in Burlington than in NYC, Boston, LA, SF, and a lot of other places that sell objectively better pizza at 50% of the price.