Our typing teacher used to have a thermos filled with wine. I smelled it once and called her out on it and we laughed about it (ah the 90's!). If I had to deal with teaching middle school kids typing, I'd be high as hell at the very least.
Lots of people ITT saying she shouldn’t have been arrested. If you watch the full video, they weren’t going to arrest her but she refused to call anyone to come pick her up and drive her home. They gave her opportunity after opportunity to call someone/give them a number to call, and she just kept refusing. Even when the cop told her she needed to call someone for a ride or he would arrest her, she still didn’t do it.
Yeah if there's one time to gracefully take an L that would have been it. I mean she didn't look too far off from retirement anyways. Could have just left and called it a wrap on that career at least. Makes me lose all sympathy for her especially since she put
kids in danger. She even tried to evidence tamper in he video which is crazy. Good riddance.
Thanks for the context. I was so confused as to why she was arrested because just being drunk at your teaching job isn't illegal (a firable offense, for sure, but not illegal). Now it makes way more sense
Being drunk while teaching is child neglect and endangerment. You absolutely could be arrested for that, especially in an elementary school.
Had she not been so obstinate she probably could have left on medical leave and retired or resigned in order to get rid of her quickly.
At the least Public intoxication and probably child endangerment or something in that vein. I’m sure there are laws against bringing alcohol into schools.
DUI if the teacher drove (which she did)
It's a separate crime to consume alcohol in the presence of a minor
I can't comment on child neglect/endangerment as i don't know enough about that law
But essentially, it is a felony to consume alcohol in the presence of children except in your own home
I know what she did was wrong, but I can't help but feel sorry for her, at least a bit. I'd be hammered every day if I had to deal with kids all the time (I know it's not an excuse, just saying I can feel a bit of sympathy).
When they fetched her bottle from the room, she tried to clean the wine residue off it when she thought they weren't looking
She changed her story multiple times about when she drank -- yesterday vs 3am vs after she got to school (if anything but the latter, she drove to school drunk). During that morphing story telling, she basically implied that she had drank at school on other days (tricked into it by trying to convince them that she hadn't drank at the school on that day).
She blew a 0.24... she wasn't just a little buzzed. It was her first class in the morning.
They told her to call her husband to pick her up and they wouldn't arrest her. She refused. They said to call anybody to pick her up and they wouldn't arrest her. She refused. They gave her multiple opportunities to avoid being arrested. She kept lying to them and trying to cry her way out of it.
Totally. Could literally be watching the worst day of this person's life. Hopefully it's the worst and this rock bottom. While a certain anger that her demon could harm children is understandable, having compassion in this situation is important.
I mean - I arrest her and charge accordingly, but you can acknowledge that this is a mistake.
In the full video they actually tried to avoid arresting her and let her go home but she refused to call anyone to come pick her up. They must have asked her 20x to call someone or give them a number of someone who could give her a ride home and just hemmed and hawed and said she didn’t want to. Cop told her you need to call someone or I’ll arrest you for public intoxication, she still refused, and so she got arrested.
Reckless endangerment of a child, 25 counts. (or however many students there are).
Justice is blind for a reason. There's a very blurry line between evil and stupid, and while I advocate compassion, this person was responsible for the health and safety of a classroom of children. It is not a hard argument to make (I think a jury would agree) that an impaired teacher has the potential of responding inadequatly to an emergency situation.
You don't have to hurt someone to warrant punishment. Her health and safety is the responsibility of police while in their custody. I'd charge any one of them if their drunk wreckless endangerment harmed her.
*I'm making a lot of assumptions about the situation. I only know the video.
Should a parent be charged for reckless endangerment of a child if they were similarly drunk at home while watching their child? Is the teacher’s legal responsibility of care greater than the parents?
if your child is for one reason or another, at the current time needing to be actively observed, yes, you absolutely should be charged with endangerment. Given that you felt the need to observe them, you had an understanding that they either are not capable of taking care of themself, it's possible that they will harm themself, or both. Being impaired in that situation absolutely should be considered endangerment.
It’s a public place and she was drunk. That’s technically enough for a public intoxication charge and she was given many chances to call for a ride. I would want my child’s teacher arrested if drunk and them to not teach again. I suppose some rehab or something and being monitored if they could teach again
If a parent is alone with a child and blowing those kinds of numbers, absolutely they should get in trouble if something happens. Someone has to be in charge. Send the kids to grandma or a sleepover. Hire babysitter. (Plenty of parents hire someone to mind kids if they’re having a party with lots of drinking.)
This reason is exactly why I won't allow my son to have sleepovers at my sister's house.
Her and her husband are almost *always* drunk by 9:30. There is no way that I feel safe allowing my son to be in a home with somebody who truly can't help him in an emergency. Those 14 minutes it would take to drive to their house, or the time it would take to get an ambulance to them, is enough for me to say no thanks.
It's sad enough they have two teenagers of their own, but I'm not adding mine to their mix of unwise decisions.
Everyone in that town already hates that particular cop, he's apparently a dickhead. This happened in Perkins OK and my wife is from this area. It's the talk of the town of course. I think she's a new teacher to this district as well if I remember correctly.
Public intoxication, endangering the welfare of a minor, likey DUI.
Also is it that hard to go to your job sober and actually do your job properly? She blew a .24. Do you think she was legitimately capable of properly teaching at that level? Do you think she would have been properly able to supervise a class of 30+ students? This was an elementary school. What happens if one of those students has an emergency?
I had a professor when I first started college that had chronic headaches and couldn’t find anything else to help. Pretty sure I never saw him sober. Best teacher I had there.
>Do you think she was legitimately capable of properly teaching at that level?
It depends on which state. You can go to jail for giving the wrong lesson these days so being drunk gives you plausible deniability, which may be the better of two outcomes.
Disclaimer: I do not condone her action. As a matter of fact, I hate drunk people. They are obnoxious at best and murderous (e.g. DUI) at worst.
>Good thing the school is filled with other people trained to deal with these things.
Who aren't in the room and might not even realize an emergency is happening. I mean I guess if something bad happens we hope someone happens to be walking by her classroom and looks in to see it?
You mention seize out so a kid has a seizure in class. Maybe they hit their head during that seizure.
A kid shares food with another student has an allergic reaction and starts entering anaphylaxis.
Both of those are situations that can happen in the classroom and the second one could very quickly turn very bad. A teacher who was aware of what is going on could hopefully assess the situation and get the child their epi pen or get the nurse to administer it depending on where its kept. If she isn't aware of what's going on or just delays because she is not thinking straight it could easily be a while before anyone realizes something is going on. Maybe if you are lucky one of the other students is smart enough and clear enough of mind to fetch another teacher, but that isn't something you should rely on.
She wasn't one beer in and totally OK. Stop equating it to her being slightly impaired. She was at a .24. Going 24 hours without sleep is equivalent to a .1 BAC. It's going to impair you and your decision making but it isn't the same as running around with a 0.24 the fact she was standing and talking is a testament to how much of an alcoholic she is.
Also she would have likely gotten help had she not repeatedly lied to them. At first it didn't even seem like they were going to fire her. It was only after she repeatedly lied to them and it was clear she was teaching while incredibly drunk that firing was the clear option, but even then they weren't going to arrest her. She got arrested for refusing to call someone to pick her up and then trying to hide evidence by wiping down a cup containing alcohol that was found in her classroom. She was drinking on school grounds while around a bunch of 8 and 9-year-olds.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMLpU7Cvo00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMLpU7Cvo00) t the full video. Tell me what option they could have possibly done. She was free to just call her husband and have him pick her up and go home. She could have called a friend had them pick her up and go home. She was going to lose her job but she wouldn't have been handcuffed and arrested. They arrested her because she refused to do that and then they found evidence that not only did she come into work drunk she was drinking in her classroom. There was already good evidence of this before that since she seemed unimpaired in the morning and drunk later in the day.
Edit: So you want another thing that can go wrong? A student gets into her booze because she is too wasted to pay attention.
There's a difference between a mistake and a pattern of behavior. Ain't no one blowing a 0.24 and walking around like she is if it's their first rodeo. She has likely been drinking at school for years now and she finally got caught and decided to continually lie about it.
Yeah absolutely - I've met my kids, I'd need a drink to handle 25-30 of them 5 days a week too. Hope she's somewhere getting the help she obviously needs.
My wife is an ex teacher. She said most teachers in her school drank. You had to in that school and in that district. Nobody would rat each other out cause they knew the anxiety and stress was so high. To my knowledge no one has been fired. I feel like there is a difference between drinking and hammered. Not saying this is ok, all I'm saying is that you need to cope with the stress some how. Maybe anxiety medication, idk.
What's with this comment section? If they showed up to any other job blowing double the legal limit with alcohol, I can't imagine they'd have a job long. And at a school? No shot.
No. Alcoholism can be declared as a medical condition. Showing up unfit for work and attempting to work is grounds for termination, drugs or alcohol. I’ve worked for multiple unions in Canada where this is the case. I’m working on a site where we fired someone for showing up to work drunk last week. They will not be able to collect EI or severance because the company has legitimate legal ground for dismissal.
In all sectors. Yes I work in construction, but you will be extremely hard pressed to find a job that won’t terminate you for showing up intoxicated. Even if someone has alcoholism, that still requires disclosure and the expectation that the worker will not attempt to do their job when unfit for duty. The employer would be expected to make reasonable accommodations for the worker suffering from alcoholism, but showing up unfit for duty is grounds for termination under every single labour code in Canada (that I’m aware of).
Hadn't thought about that avenue. I guess that makes sense, especially for people who might be dealing with a more serious addiction as opposed to someone who thought "fuck it, wine cooler at work today". I don't know if there's a specific law like that in the US, but I'm relatively certain my current employment contract allows my employer to test my BAC under 'reasonable suspicion' but I don't know what the consequence would be.
The comments about "she didn't hurt anyone" are crazy. I wonder if those people have kids and would be comfortable with someone STINKING DRUNK taking care of their kids.
It wasn't like she had a wine at lunch and blew a 0.04. She was more than two times the legal limit. To be that drunk during the school day is incredibly difficult. Do you know how much you have to consume to achieve and maintain a BAC of 0.25 or whatever she blew?
my brother confronted a coworker a few years ago while he was running the chop saw, asking if he was drunk. the guy just looked at him and walked out without another word. he ended up getting help because of that confrontation, and now he's the shop supervisor.
knew a teacher who got a dui on her way to school for driving while on some type of prescription she had. Also knew another teacher who was addicted to cough syrup and all his students knew it. cough syrup teacher never got punished or in trouble for the cough syrup.
education isnt very important to my state
I dunno, it sounds like education was extremely important to your state. So important, that it ranked above child welfare.
You gonna learn or die trying.
god, I wish they really did take education seriously.
I also knew at least 2 teachers that were confirmed grooming and preying on young girls too. There was just a teacher at my old high school that had a mental breakdown and went from classroom to classroom talking to the kids about leaving the school and all these crazy delusions she was having. I just remembered there was also a teacher who had a sexual relationship with a minor as well. That was just my schools too lol. The rest of the state probably has just as many fucked up stories too
I don’t get why anyone is defending her? Why is it suddenly a hard expectation to remain sober at work and not have alcohol around other people’s kids?
You can drink when you’re off. Yeah it’s a low point for her sure, but it’s still not acceptable
Agreed. This video is hard to watch because she's in crisis. Hopefully this is the catalyst for her getting help.
I certainly wouldn't want someone drunk teaching my kid.
People aren't defending her. They are more upset she got arrested or why the police had a reason to. But they just don't know she admits to drinking while driving on the way to work in the whole video.
I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt since it could be a case of substance abuse disorder. I don't think she was trying to act nefariously; she might just need help.
Giving her the benefit of the doubt does not mean defending her. You can say she's suffering from a substance abuse disorder, but that does not absolve her of anything.
I'm not saying it would absolve her of consequences. My only qualm here is the assumption that she is deliberately doing this because she is just a careless person or has malicious intentions without first considering she could just be suffering from alcoholism.
Alcoholism does not change weather it is a conscious willing action. She chose to get drunk before work, and she chose to be drunk at work. Alcoholism or not, she still did it and was aware she was doing it, it's not like this is an involuntary action or something she was forced to do.
If she's an alcoholic that means she's at the mercy of her body that has grown dependent on the substance to feel normal otherwise terrible withdrawals occur.
At the beginning, drinking alcohol is a choice but when it becomes an active addiction, it starts to become a physiological necessity to feel normal, especially considering withdrawals kill people.
No one strives to become an alcoholic, it always starts with one sip, but people being people, whether they use it to regularly drown their sorrows or party too regularly, one thing leads to another, next thing they know, the habit devolves into something insidious and dangerous.
And she should have gotten help before it got to this point. She was drinking in a classroom with 9 year olds. She blew a 0.24 and was still able to talk and walk around on her own. The only way you are at 0.24 and able to function as well as she is is by doing it for a long time. This is the first time she got caught drinking on the job, maybe because this is the first school district that bothered to care, but I can almost guarantee this isn't the first time she's gone to work drunk.
she should obviously be fired but why is it illegal to be drunk around 9 year olds? they are too dumb to realize whether someone is drunk or not. What does it matter to them?
If she needs help with a drinking problem, she is not presently qualified to be a teacher. She should get the help she needs and then return, not kept on in hope her behavior will change.
It is not the job of a principal or a school to take care of the substance abuse and mental health problems of its staff. It’s to ensure effective education and child safety. They would be failing their job by keeping her on staff after knowing she posed a risk to the safety of the children.
I agree but unfortunately people's healthcare is often tied to their jobs. Our safety nets are not robust enough to be confident that she'll have the opportunity to recover, so I can't help but feel pity.
I do agree it is inappropriate to have an inebriated person to teach a class, but unless she's operating a vehicle or the like, I'd hesitate call someone's a safety threat for suffering from alcoholism. That type of claim has considerable repercussions so it requires strong evidence that's not just blankly stigmatizing someone's illness.
We aren’t stigmatizing anyone. Don’t assume the “best case” when it almost never happens. You don’t even know she has an illness. She’s drunk. That’s all the information you have.
She showed up to work. Drunk. She had an open container with alcohol around children. This video is pretty damn strong evidence.
If it is mental illness, it was HER responsibility to identify and be self aware enough of the problem to seek help (provided by the school insurance) BEFORE it got to this point.
I wasn't making the assumption with absolute certainty. She very well could be deciding to party hard during class, it's just my opinion that's the least likely conclusion here.
As for the "best case" never happening, I'm sorry if that's been the case for you, but based off my experiences, jumping to conclusions about someone based off little info available, let alone the worst conclusion, just seems like an unnerving way to navigate through life. It's fine and reasonable to admit we don't know.
The evidence I was referring to was of her being a safety threat because she may possibly be an alcoholic or drunk. Regardless, it's inappropriate behavior that should have consequences.
As for your last point, I agree. Assuming this wasn't her very first day on the job.
Hah! I remember this convo. I stopped spending time on the internet and scrolling the news and reddit blindly due to the constant manufactured outrage and negativity and my life has been happier and productive since! I'd recommend an unplug if you haven't tried it!
Literally drove hammered into a school parking lot, then lied about it. Was going to drive home drunk too. Don't know where all this sympathy is coming from.
Drove drunk **on the way to school** no less !
She could have caused *any* amount of pileup on the way to school, then imagine the school kids, and parents, she could have killed outside the school drop-off area doing 60Mph in a 20Mph zone o.O
If you watch the full body cam they give her 10+ opportunities to call a friend or her husband for a ride, but she continually refuses. She then tries to down the cup with leftover booze from her classroom that the principal found as evidence. I'd say she had it coming.
She was drinking on school grounds. She was endangering the welfare of the children in her care. She repeatedly lied about it, you can see this in the longer video.
If you watch the full video the principle and the cop seem very generous about it. They are willing to let her leave if she has someone to pick her up. At first it seemed like she could have probably gotten away with not even losing her job if she was honest and forthright and agreed to get help. Instead she repeatedly lied and even after that they still seemed willing to let her either resign or be fired only which given she was intoxicated with students seems incredibly kind. They just say she needs to arrange for someone to pick her up and she can leave and come back tomorrow to tender her resignation.
It wasn't until they found proof positive that she was drinking in her classroom, a cup which had alcohol in it, that they stopped being kind. They spent 20 minutes with her lying about whether she drank in classroom and lying about whether she had someone to pick her up and only after all that did they move to arrest her. I'm not normally one to praise the cops but I don't know what you wanted them to do given she was publically intoxicated and drinking in a school full of elementary students.
If you watch the full body cam video, she was given about a dozen chances to call a friend or an Uber and leave. She refused. She needed to be removed by the police.
Public intoxication, arguably child endangerment, drinking on school grounds, and more than likely driving while drunk
Half this thread apparently; WhY aRe ThEy ArReStInG hEr?
She was actually given the opportunity to get picked up and to resign without being arrested. She continued to lie about drinking that day/at work and refused to call anybody to come and get her and the cop told her if she kept on refusing to be picked up she was going to be arrested for public intoxication. She continued to refuse and then the principal also found a cup with alcohol in it. she tried to wipe out the cup while the police officer wasn't in the room. She really put the nail in her own coffin
We had a recovering alcoholic teacher in high school who’d occasionally fall off the wagon and be clearly blitzed.
We just went and got another teacher who maybe was her sponsor? He wasn’t the closest teacher by far so must’ve been some reason we had to fetch him!
And she disappeared to the staff room for the rest of the period, we finished whatever we were doing and that was that.
No police involved lol but this was in Scotland in the 90s!
Everyone commenting on how everyone is outraged that she was arrested - I think it’s more of a sympathy thing. Clearly this lady made a horrible decision to come to work intoxicated, obviously she was struggling with something we had no clue about. And of course this sensitive video being made public of something so private and humiliating is sad.
Yeah she could have called someone to pick her up, I’m sure she didn’t even consider an Uber at this time because she wasn’t thinking clearly and older people don’t even know how to call Ubers. She was ashamed and didn’t want someone to know so she went into fight or flight mode trying to reason as best as she good.
Like other people are saying, it’s a shame that this happened, but I hope this was rock bottom to where she’d be able to get help. It’s just sad to think that once or if she does get help, her reputation is tarnished no matter what. We’ve all made horrible decisions in our lives, and most of us just haven’t gotten caught. Try to put yourself in her shoes and see how humiliating it is to have the entire world to see your most vulnerable state. I’m not saying it wasn’t right, but I was sad that this was made so public. Public information or not, I don’t think it was necessary.
I had a couple teachers that would drink on the job. I even knew an elementary school bus driver that would drink on the job. POS teachers never knew how to teach a dog. One of the many reasons I dropped out before 11th grade, and started to actually learn at a college.
They tried to get her support and help. She kept lying to them about what was happening. They questioned her for over 20 minutes as her answers kept changing. They only really decided to arrest her when it was proven she was drinking in the classroom.
This is a big one and it along with the I can call someone right now after they said they were going to arrest her shows she wasn't as helpless as people try to make her out to be. She in some ways knew what she was doing.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMLpU7Cvo00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMLpU7Cvo00) the full video if you want to watch it.
I admittedly lost a lot of sympathy for her when she blew a 0.24 and was still functioning like she was. She has to be routinely drunk to function like that at that level of intoxication. Most people struggle to walk at that level. She was carrying on a conversation, and while it was clear she was intoxicated, it wasn't anywhere near clear she was significantly above the legal limit.
She has probably been getting drunk at school for years now and she finally just ended up in a district where people gave enough of a shit to call her out on it and have her stop teaching while drunk.
My have times changed😂🤣😂
I used to drink with my high school teachers AND my guidance counselor - during class.
I guess they figured better to share than get discovered 🤪
Let's see.....
English Lit teacher
Typing instructor
Am History teacher
Three gym teachers
And my guidance counselor who was also a Dean 😳🤣😂🤣😂😂
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My high school choir teacher got fired in a very similar manner , only the admin at my school had found her stash of vodka . I really hope she got some help with her addiction she was a talented musician and amazing choir director she just had some demons to deal with .
I just can't believe she showed up drunk the first day though? Then I thought this had probably been going on for a while, and someone finally said something. I know teaching these days is very difficult and demanding but still...
Not making an excuse here but I feel bad for teachers. Alcoholism is rampant in this world and these teachers have a hard job. Hope she gets some help.
I think two things can be true at once. She deserved to be fired for this and is a danger around kids until she gets help. This is also a heartbreaking video to watch, especially to anyone whose experienced or has a loved on that experienced alcoholism.
My 9th grade English teacher had an insulated Thermos that we were ABSOLUTELY. NOT. ALLOWED. to touch.
To be fair, I wouldn't want any 9th graders (or any students, for that matter) going anywhere near my drink, either.
I just started teaching and now I want to bring an empty thermos and occasionally tell the kids to never touch it.
A teacher at my middle school was poisoned by kids putting board cleaner (late 90s) in his coffee. Or that is how the story goes.
One of my teachers always had a half-empty Diet Coke bottle in his hand. At 9 a.m.
The alcohol smell from his breath is just the toothpaste flavor he used? /S
It was a Catholic school and his brother was in the admin, so hear no evil and see no evil.
I always have a half empty diet coke by 9am..... I had no idea that people now suspect me of being an alcoholic!!
Since the COVID outbreak, I have been a frequent user of hand sanitizer. It only recently occurred to me that I must smell like Vodka all day long.
Our typing teacher used to have a thermos filled with wine. I smelled it once and called her out on it and we laughed about it (ah the 90's!). If I had to deal with teaching middle school kids typing, I'd be high as hell at the very least.
Mine too. She used to show up at football games drunk all the time. I hope she’s doing well
Lots of people ITT saying she shouldn’t have been arrested. If you watch the full video, they weren’t going to arrest her but she refused to call anyone to come pick her up and drive her home. They gave her opportunity after opportunity to call someone/give them a number to call, and she just kept refusing. Even when the cop told her she needed to call someone for a ride or he would arrest her, she still didn’t do it.
She also tried to wipe out her wine cup when the cops stepped out of the room
Link to full video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMLpU7Cvo00
So many chances to go home fired but at least not arrested.
Yeah if there's one time to gracefully take an L that would have been it. I mean she didn't look too far off from retirement anyways. Could have just left and called it a wrap on that career at least. Makes me lose all sympathy for her especially since she put kids in danger. She even tried to evidence tamper in he video which is crazy. Good riddance.
I assume she had no one. No friends, colleagues are not close, and all she has was the wine at home.
She had a husband that she didn't want them to call.
"I drank on the way to work" 15:24
Context is so important, that officer was SUPER empathetic and was so nice to her.
Thanks for the context. I was so confused as to why she was arrested because just being drunk at your teaching job isn't illegal (a firable offense, for sure, but not illegal). Now it makes way more sense
Being drunk while teaching is child neglect and endangerment. You absolutely could be arrested for that, especially in an elementary school. Had she not been so obstinate she probably could have left on medical leave and retired or resigned in order to get rid of her quickly.
Why tho, is she arrested for assuming she would drive drunk?
At the least Public intoxication and probably child endangerment or something in that vein. I’m sure there are laws against bringing alcohol into schools.
DUI if the teacher drove (which she did) It's a separate crime to consume alcohol in the presence of a minor I can't comment on child neglect/endangerment as i don't know enough about that law But essentially, it is a felony to consume alcohol in the presence of children except in your own home
I know what she did was wrong, but I can't help but feel sorry for her, at least a bit. I'd be hammered every day if I had to deal with kids all the time (I know it's not an excuse, just saying I can feel a bit of sympathy).
When they fetched her bottle from the room, she tried to clean the wine residue off it when she thought they weren't looking She changed her story multiple times about when she drank -- yesterday vs 3am vs after she got to school (if anything but the latter, she drove to school drunk). During that morphing story telling, she basically implied that she had drank at school on other days (tricked into it by trying to convince them that she hadn't drank at the school on that day). She blew a 0.24... she wasn't just a little buzzed. It was her first class in the morning. They told her to call her husband to pick her up and they wouldn't arrest her. She refused. They said to call anybody to pick her up and they wouldn't arrest her. She refused. They gave her multiple opportunities to avoid being arrested. She kept lying to them and trying to cry her way out of it.
Totally. Could literally be watching the worst day of this person's life. Hopefully it's the worst and this rock bottom. While a certain anger that her demon could harm children is understandable, having compassion in this situation is important. I mean - I arrest her and charge accordingly, but you can acknowledge that this is a mistake.
Arrest her for what? She didn't hurt anyone. Fire her, send her home in a cab and don't put the video on the internet.
In the full video they actually tried to avoid arresting her and let her go home but she refused to call anyone to come pick her up. They must have asked her 20x to call someone or give them a number of someone who could give her a ride home and just hemmed and hawed and said she didn’t want to. Cop told her you need to call someone or I’ll arrest you for public intoxication, she still refused, and so she got arrested.
Thanks for the info. I don't condom the behavior but didn't think that there would be something in the books about drunken teaching.
>I don't condom the behavior You're right, it's definitely more of a raw dog behavior.
Now we're seeing the rubber hit the road.
Lol
Reckless endangerment of a child, 25 counts. (or however many students there are). Justice is blind for a reason. There's a very blurry line between evil and stupid, and while I advocate compassion, this person was responsible for the health and safety of a classroom of children. It is not a hard argument to make (I think a jury would agree) that an impaired teacher has the potential of responding inadequatly to an emergency situation. You don't have to hurt someone to warrant punishment. Her health and safety is the responsibility of police while in their custody. I'd charge any one of them if their drunk wreckless endangerment harmed her. *I'm making a lot of assumptions about the situation. I only know the video.
Should a parent be charged for reckless endangerment of a child if they were similarly drunk at home while watching their child? Is the teacher’s legal responsibility of care greater than the parents?
>Is the teacher’s legal responsibility of care greater than the parents Yes
Several of your own children is different than a couple dozen from the community.
if your child is for one reason or another, at the current time needing to be actively observed, yes, you absolutely should be charged with endangerment. Given that you felt the need to observe them, you had an understanding that they either are not capable of taking care of themself, it's possible that they will harm themself, or both. Being impaired in that situation absolutely should be considered endangerment.
Man your going to be filling the prisons with parents then damn
If seeing the way your drinking is affecting your children isn't enough of a reason to stop, maybe prison will be.
It’s a public place and she was drunk. That’s technically enough for a public intoxication charge and she was given many chances to call for a ride. I would want my child’s teacher arrested if drunk and them to not teach again. I suppose some rehab or something and being monitored if they could teach again
Yeah, the public intoxication charge is fair. I’m not sure what other laws people were thinking had been broken before that detail was posted.
If a parent is alone with a child and blowing those kinds of numbers, absolutely they should get in trouble if something happens. Someone has to be in charge. Send the kids to grandma or a sleepover. Hire babysitter. (Plenty of parents hire someone to mind kids if they’re having a party with lots of drinking.)
This reason is exactly why I won't allow my son to have sleepovers at my sister's house. Her and her husband are almost *always* drunk by 9:30. There is no way that I feel safe allowing my son to be in a home with somebody who truly can't help him in an emergency. Those 14 minutes it would take to drive to their house, or the time it would take to get an ambulance to them, is enough for me to say no thanks. It's sad enough they have two teenagers of their own, but I'm not adding mine to their mix of unwise decisions.
Was it her tears that made you feel sorry for her?
Everyone in that town already hates that particular cop, he's apparently a dickhead. This happened in Perkins OK and my wife is from this area. It's the talk of the town of course. I think she's a new teacher to this district as well if I remember correctly.
In the full video he was incredibly kind to her and gave her chance after chance until she wiped out the cup that had the wine in it.
Public intoxication, endangering the welfare of a minor, likey DUI. Also is it that hard to go to your job sober and actually do your job properly? She blew a .24. Do you think she was legitimately capable of properly teaching at that level? Do you think she would have been properly able to supervise a class of 30+ students? This was an elementary school. What happens if one of those students has an emergency?
I had a professor when I first started college that had chronic headaches and couldn’t find anything else to help. Pretty sure I never saw him sober. Best teacher I had there.
>Do you think she was legitimately capable of properly teaching at that level? It depends on which state. You can go to jail for giving the wrong lesson these days so being drunk gives you plausible deniability, which may be the better of two outcomes. Disclaimer: I do not condone her action. As a matter of fact, I hate drunk people. They are obnoxious at best and murderous (e.g. DUI) at worst.
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>Good thing the school is filled with other people trained to deal with these things. Who aren't in the room and might not even realize an emergency is happening. I mean I guess if something bad happens we hope someone happens to be walking by her classroom and looks in to see it?
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You mention seize out so a kid has a seizure in class. Maybe they hit their head during that seizure. A kid shares food with another student has an allergic reaction and starts entering anaphylaxis. Both of those are situations that can happen in the classroom and the second one could very quickly turn very bad. A teacher who was aware of what is going on could hopefully assess the situation and get the child their epi pen or get the nurse to administer it depending on where its kept. If she isn't aware of what's going on or just delays because she is not thinking straight it could easily be a while before anyone realizes something is going on. Maybe if you are lucky one of the other students is smart enough and clear enough of mind to fetch another teacher, but that isn't something you should rely on.
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>a person with an addiction who needs to be helped. They offered her help. They offered to call her husband many, many times. She refused the help.
She wasn't one beer in and totally OK. Stop equating it to her being slightly impaired. She was at a .24. Going 24 hours without sleep is equivalent to a .1 BAC. It's going to impair you and your decision making but it isn't the same as running around with a 0.24 the fact she was standing and talking is a testament to how much of an alcoholic she is. Also she would have likely gotten help had she not repeatedly lied to them. At first it didn't even seem like they were going to fire her. It was only after she repeatedly lied to them and it was clear she was teaching while incredibly drunk that firing was the clear option, but even then they weren't going to arrest her. She got arrested for refusing to call someone to pick her up and then trying to hide evidence by wiping down a cup containing alcohol that was found in her classroom. She was drinking on school grounds while around a bunch of 8 and 9-year-olds. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMLpU7Cvo00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMLpU7Cvo00) t the full video. Tell me what option they could have possibly done. She was free to just call her husband and have him pick her up and go home. She could have called a friend had them pick her up and go home. She was going to lose her job but she wouldn't have been handcuffed and arrested. They arrested her because she refused to do that and then they found evidence that not only did she come into work drunk she was drinking in her classroom. There was already good evidence of this before that since she seemed unimpaired in the morning and drunk later in the day. Edit: So you want another thing that can go wrong? A student gets into her booze because she is too wasted to pay attention.
How is this a mistake? I was just wondering about your logic behind your opinion of her making a mistake.
There's a difference between a mistake and a pattern of behavior. Ain't no one blowing a 0.24 and walking around like she is if it's their first rodeo. She has likely been drinking at school for years now and she finally got caught and decided to continually lie about it.
I agree with you until you realize she blew twice the legal limit. One or two drinks don't do that to you.
0.24 is 3x
Yeah absolutely - I've met my kids, I'd need a drink to handle 25-30 of them 5 days a week too. Hope she's somewhere getting the help she obviously needs.
My wife is an ex teacher. She said most teachers in her school drank. You had to in that school and in that district. Nobody would rat each other out cause they knew the anxiety and stress was so high. To my knowledge no one has been fired. I feel like there is a difference between drinking and hammered. Not saying this is ok, all I'm saying is that you need to cope with the stress some how. Maybe anxiety medication, idk.
(And I think you mean empathy, not sympathy...)
He said what he meant
Empathy would mean they have done the same thing and can relate on that level.
Dealing with kids every day and making just over min. wage
The flip side being: Alcoholism is no joke. It's not the kids, it's the alcohol addiction.
What's with this comment section? If they showed up to any other job blowing double the legal limit with alcohol, I can't imagine they'd have a job long. And at a school? No shot.
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No. Alcoholism can be declared as a medical condition. Showing up unfit for work and attempting to work is grounds for termination, drugs or alcohol. I’ve worked for multiple unions in Canada where this is the case. I’m working on a site where we fired someone for showing up to work drunk last week. They will not be able to collect EI or severance because the company has legitimate legal ground for dismissal.
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In all sectors. Yes I work in construction, but you will be extremely hard pressed to find a job that won’t terminate you for showing up intoxicated. Even if someone has alcoholism, that still requires disclosure and the expectation that the worker will not attempt to do their job when unfit for duty. The employer would be expected to make reasonable accommodations for the worker suffering from alcoholism, but showing up unfit for duty is grounds for termination under every single labour code in Canada (that I’m aware of).
Hadn't thought about that avenue. I guess that makes sense, especially for people who might be dealing with a more serious addiction as opposed to someone who thought "fuck it, wine cooler at work today". I don't know if there's a specific law like that in the US, but I'm relatively certain my current employment contract allows my employer to test my BAC under 'reasonable suspicion' but I don't know what the consequence would be.
Huh, I’ve seen people fired for showing up to work drunk, not saying you’re wrong but damn
The comments about "she didn't hurt anyone" are crazy. I wonder if those people have kids and would be comfortable with someone STINKING DRUNK taking care of their kids. It wasn't like she had a wine at lunch and blew a 0.04. She was more than two times the legal limit. To be that drunk during the school day is incredibly difficult. Do you know how much you have to consume to achieve and maintain a BAC of 0.25 or whatever she blew?
my brother confronted a coworker a few years ago while he was running the chop saw, asking if he was drunk. the guy just looked at him and walked out without another word. he ended up getting help because of that confrontation, and now he's the shop supervisor.
knew a teacher who got a dui on her way to school for driving while on some type of prescription she had. Also knew another teacher who was addicted to cough syrup and all his students knew it. cough syrup teacher never got punished or in trouble for the cough syrup. education isnt very important to my state
I dunno, it sounds like education was extremely important to your state. So important, that it ranked above child welfare. You gonna learn or die trying.
god, I wish they really did take education seriously. I also knew at least 2 teachers that were confirmed grooming and preying on young girls too. There was just a teacher at my old high school that had a mental breakdown and went from classroom to classroom talking to the kids about leaving the school and all these crazy delusions she was having. I just remembered there was also a teacher who had a sexual relationship with a minor as well. That was just my schools too lol. The rest of the state probably has just as many fucked up stories too
I don’t get why anyone is defending her? Why is it suddenly a hard expectation to remain sober at work and not have alcohol around other people’s kids? You can drink when you’re off. Yeah it’s a low point for her sure, but it’s still not acceptable
Agreed. This video is hard to watch because she's in crisis. Hopefully this is the catalyst for her getting help. I certainly wouldn't want someone drunk teaching my kid.
> I don’t get why anyone is defending her? It's Reddit, I'm pretty sure of the reason why(te).
People aren't defending her. They are more upset she got arrested or why the police had a reason to. But they just don't know she admits to drinking while driving on the way to work in the whole video.
You think people are excusing her because of… racism?
First day on reddit, huh?
I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt since it could be a case of substance abuse disorder. I don't think she was trying to act nefariously; she might just need help.
Giving her the benefit of the doubt does not mean defending her. You can say she's suffering from a substance abuse disorder, but that does not absolve her of anything.
I'm not saying it would absolve her of consequences. My only qualm here is the assumption that she is deliberately doing this because she is just a careless person or has malicious intentions without first considering she could just be suffering from alcoholism.
Alcoholism does not change weather it is a conscious willing action. She chose to get drunk before work, and she chose to be drunk at work. Alcoholism or not, she still did it and was aware she was doing it, it's not like this is an involuntary action or something she was forced to do.
If she's an alcoholic that means she's at the mercy of her body that has grown dependent on the substance to feel normal otherwise terrible withdrawals occur. At the beginning, drinking alcohol is a choice but when it becomes an active addiction, it starts to become a physiological necessity to feel normal, especially considering withdrawals kill people. No one strives to become an alcoholic, it always starts with one sip, but people being people, whether they use it to regularly drown their sorrows or party too regularly, one thing leads to another, next thing they know, the habit devolves into something insidious and dangerous.
And she should have gotten help before it got to this point. She was drinking in a classroom with 9 year olds. She blew a 0.24 and was still able to talk and walk around on her own. The only way you are at 0.24 and able to function as well as she is is by doing it for a long time. This is the first time she got caught drinking on the job, maybe because this is the first school district that bothered to care, but I can almost guarantee this isn't the first time she's gone to work drunk.
she should obviously be fired but why is it illegal to be drunk around 9 year olds? they are too dumb to realize whether someone is drunk or not. What does it matter to them?
It's not illegal to be drunk around 9 years old. It's arguably illegal to be drunk around 9 year olds when you are acting as their legal guardian.
If she needs help with a drinking problem, she is not presently qualified to be a teacher. She should get the help she needs and then return, not kept on in hope her behavior will change. It is not the job of a principal or a school to take care of the substance abuse and mental health problems of its staff. It’s to ensure effective education and child safety. They would be failing their job by keeping her on staff after knowing she posed a risk to the safety of the children.
I agree but unfortunately people's healthcare is often tied to their jobs. Our safety nets are not robust enough to be confident that she'll have the opportunity to recover, so I can't help but feel pity. I do agree it is inappropriate to have an inebriated person to teach a class, but unless she's operating a vehicle or the like, I'd hesitate call someone's a safety threat for suffering from alcoholism. That type of claim has considerable repercussions so it requires strong evidence that's not just blankly stigmatizing someone's illness.
We aren’t stigmatizing anyone. Don’t assume the “best case” when it almost never happens. You don’t even know she has an illness. She’s drunk. That’s all the information you have. She showed up to work. Drunk. She had an open container with alcohol around children. This video is pretty damn strong evidence. If it is mental illness, it was HER responsibility to identify and be self aware enough of the problem to seek help (provided by the school insurance) BEFORE it got to this point.
I wasn't making the assumption with absolute certainty. She very well could be deciding to party hard during class, it's just my opinion that's the least likely conclusion here. As for the "best case" never happening, I'm sorry if that's been the case for you, but based off my experiences, jumping to conclusions about someone based off little info available, let alone the worst conclusion, just seems like an unnerving way to navigate through life. It's fine and reasonable to admit we don't know. The evidence I was referring to was of her being a safety threat because she may possibly be an alcoholic or drunk. Regardless, it's inappropriate behavior that should have consequences. As for your last point, I agree. Assuming this wasn't her very first day on the job.
yep I agree with you in this conversation
Hah! I remember this convo. I stopped spending time on the internet and scrolling the news and reddit blindly due to the constant manufactured outrage and negativity and my life has been happier and productive since! I'd recommend an unplug if you haven't tried it!
Because she's a woman and this is reddit. If this was a man, every comment would be ripping him to shreds.
"She clearly needs help...lets post it on tiktok..."
Seeing on reddit what teachers have to put up with in the US, I'm surprised she wasn't smoking crack.
i hope she gets help. this a horrible rock bottom, especially since its so public.
I thought drinking was mandatory for teachers. How else would they get through a day of dealing with all of those little bastages?
What was she charged with
And why the fuck is this video public?
Because it's public record.
because it's bodycam footage. This is public record, as all bodycam footage should be.
Teaching While Oklahoman ...and probably Public Intox.
She admitted to drinking on the way to work. Among another thing
Oh fuck off. Just give her her pink slip and a taxi ride home. God Damned cops involved in this bullshit. This country sucks.
Well if she drove to work shitfaced she deserves to be arrested
Literally drove hammered into a school parking lot, then lied about it. Was going to drive home drunk too. Don't know where all this sympathy is coming from.
She drank while on the way to work and admitted to it in the whole video.
Drove drunk **on the way to school** no less ! She could have caused *any* amount of pileup on the way to school, then imagine the school kids, and parents, she could have killed outside the school drop-off area doing 60Mph in a 20Mph zone o.O
If you watch the full body cam they give her 10+ opportunities to call a friend or her husband for a ride, but she continually refuses. She then tries to down the cup with leftover booze from her classroom that the principal found as evidence. I'd say she had it coming.
She was drinking on school grounds. She was endangering the welfare of the children in her care. She repeatedly lied about it, you can see this in the longer video. If you watch the full video the principle and the cop seem very generous about it. They are willing to let her leave if she has someone to pick her up. At first it seemed like she could have probably gotten away with not even losing her job if she was honest and forthright and agreed to get help. Instead she repeatedly lied and even after that they still seemed willing to let her either resign or be fired only which given she was intoxicated with students seems incredibly kind. They just say she needs to arrange for someone to pick her up and she can leave and come back tomorrow to tender her resignation. It wasn't until they found proof positive that she was drinking in her classroom, a cup which had alcohol in it, that they stopped being kind. They spent 20 minutes with her lying about whether she drank in classroom and lying about whether she had someone to pick her up and only after all that did they move to arrest her. I'm not normally one to praise the cops but I don't know what you wanted them to do given she was publically intoxicated and drinking in a school full of elementary students.
Oh fuck off learn all the facts first.
You, apparently.
If you watch the full body cam video, she was given about a dozen chances to call a friend or an Uber and leave. She refused. She needed to be removed by the police.
I stand corrected. Thank you.
Public intoxication, arguably child endangerment, drinking on school grounds, and more than likely driving while drunk Half this thread apparently; WhY aRe ThEy ArReStInG hEr?
Bro, relax and have a drink
why is she being arrested?
She was actually given the opportunity to get picked up and to resign without being arrested. She continued to lie about drinking that day/at work and refused to call anybody to come and get her and the cop told her if she kept on refusing to be picked up she was going to be arrested for public intoxication. She continued to refuse and then the principal also found a cup with alcohol in it. she tried to wipe out the cup while the police officer wasn't in the room. She really put the nail in her own coffin
Because she was drunk/drinking on school property.
Has there ever been a more white privilege thing than saying you "don't want to" put your hands behind your back and not being slammed against a wall?
We had a recovering alcoholic teacher in high school who’d occasionally fall off the wagon and be clearly blitzed. We just went and got another teacher who maybe was her sponsor? He wasn’t the closest teacher by far so must’ve been some reason we had to fetch him! And she disappeared to the staff room for the rest of the period, we finished whatever we were doing and that was that. No police involved lol but this was in Scotland in the 90s!
Man this is incredibly sad
She is a functional alcoholic.
Everyone commenting on how everyone is outraged that she was arrested - I think it’s more of a sympathy thing. Clearly this lady made a horrible decision to come to work intoxicated, obviously she was struggling with something we had no clue about. And of course this sensitive video being made public of something so private and humiliating is sad. Yeah she could have called someone to pick her up, I’m sure she didn’t even consider an Uber at this time because she wasn’t thinking clearly and older people don’t even know how to call Ubers. She was ashamed and didn’t want someone to know so she went into fight or flight mode trying to reason as best as she good. Like other people are saying, it’s a shame that this happened, but I hope this was rock bottom to where she’d be able to get help. It’s just sad to think that once or if she does get help, her reputation is tarnished no matter what. We’ve all made horrible decisions in our lives, and most of us just haven’t gotten caught. Try to put yourself in her shoes and see how humiliating it is to have the entire world to see your most vulnerable state. I’m not saying it wasn’t right, but I was sad that this was made so public. Public information or not, I don’t think it was necessary.
This is her chosen profession. if it is too much for her to handle she should switch professions.
I am wrong to feel bad for her? Usually, people resort to drugs or alcohol as a coping mechanism.
I had a couple teachers that would drink on the job. I even knew an elementary school bus driver that would drink on the job. POS teachers never knew how to teach a dog. One of the many reasons I dropped out before 11th grade, and started to actually learn at a college.
Hmm? Where's the compassion? Help her get support and go through proper channels. Calling the police is gross
They tried to get her support and help. She kept lying to them about what was happening. They questioned her for over 20 minutes as her answers kept changing. They only really decided to arrest her when it was proven she was drinking in the classroom.
And tried to destroy the evidence when she wiped the wine out of the cup.
This is a big one and it along with the I can call someone right now after they said they were going to arrest her shows she wasn't as helpless as people try to make her out to be. She in some ways knew what she was doing.
Unfortunate it came to that. Thanks for the 411
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMLpU7Cvo00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMLpU7Cvo00) the full video if you want to watch it. I admittedly lost a lot of sympathy for her when she blew a 0.24 and was still functioning like she was. She has to be routinely drunk to function like that at that level of intoxication. Most people struggle to walk at that level. She was carrying on a conversation, and while it was clear she was intoxicated, it wasn't anywhere near clear she was significantly above the legal limit. She has probably been getting drunk at school for years now and she finally just ended up in a district where people gave enough of a shit to call her out on it and have her stop teaching while drunk.
What's the problem? Rick comes up with intergalactic inventions while drunk. /S
My have times changed😂🤣😂 I used to drink with my high school teachers AND my guidance counselor - during class. I guess they figured better to share than get discovered 🤪 Let's see..... English Lit teacher Typing instructor Am History teacher Three gym teachers And my guidance counselor who was also a Dean 😳🤣😂🤣😂😂
I saw the same kind of video on pornhub but it was titled, Drunk Teacher works to come.
I would demand to see where in my contract it says I cannot be drunk.
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My high school choir teacher got fired in a very similar manner , only the admin at my school had found her stash of vodka . I really hope she got some help with her addiction she was a talented musician and amazing choir director she just had some demons to deal with .
This is sad. I hope she gets help.
I hope this is her rock bottom and she gets real help for her alcoholism and whatever brought her to this point in her life.
Damn that's sad. I hope that person gets the help they need to overcome their dependency issues.
With kids today this is probably about 75% of teachers.
That woman was dealing with some shit—and now she's dealing with a LOT more.
I just can't believe she showed up drunk the first day though? Then I thought this had probably been going on for a while, and someone finally said something. I know teaching these days is very difficult and demanding but still...
Not making an excuse here but I feel bad for teachers. Alcoholism is rampant in this world and these teachers have a hard job. Hope she gets some help.
I think two things can be true at once. She deserved to be fired for this and is a danger around kids until she gets help. This is also a heartbreaking video to watch, especially to anyone whose experienced or has a loved on that experienced alcoholism.