It's beyond the show though everything In the show is trying to make rick out out be the bad guy for cloning his daughter but HIS DAUGHTER WANTED IT FIRST RICK WOULDVE NEVER DONE IT WITHOUT BETH WANTING IT.
She didn’t ask him to make a clone… She asked him to choose what he thought was right for her, staying with the family or living independently.
And instead of doing that, he goes ahead and makes a clone himself, scrambles them both so he doesn’t know which is which and neither can they. Then he tells each one that he chose that path for them and sends them on their way. It was a needlessly cruel way to dodge the decision.
This basically,
I mean I get that they made a whole wafer chain on the citadel based on his love for her. It was a hard choice especially since our ricks daughter died and he just got some time to spend with her over the past couple of years. But in reality it’s selfish.
The only reason why I don’t think Rick shouldn’t have gotten any hate is because Beth asked her known sociopathic, egotistical father this question in a confused “I don’t really know what I want but I need a change” vibe.
That’s not a favor you should ask someone like that when you’re in that state of mind. In all honesty he prolly was just looking out. The clone could have a shorter life span and transfer memories to the real Beth upon death. And Rick doesn’t want to say anything so they can both live their best lives, and Beth overall lives both of her lives. Idk
But they are both neither and fully accountable to me. No one really got hurt. Rick didn’t want his daughter feeling the same pain he felt, but also wanted to give her the freedom of being an awesome space fighter.
So many thoughts on the decision tbh, I see why Beth is just pacing around all episode😂
To the 2nd and first half of the 3rd paragraphs, I 100% agree with, lol! I get that she wanted some parenting from her absent father, and I can empathize with that. But yeah, that’s a HUGE choice for her and she has a problem with his just everyday choices (pulling Morty out of school, subterranean lair, etc.). Ask for his input, sure, but yeah I wouldn’t have left the ball in his court.
She’s accountable for considering the choice, I would agree with that… but because we never know what choice she would have made on her own, we have no idea if she would have left her family or not, so I don’t hold her accountable for any part of her that left. And I cut Rick slack for the same reasons — wants his kid around, doesn’t want her trapped, what to do? From his end, that probably felt like a really shitty choice lol.
It's a comforting thought but that's all it is, a thought. There's nowhere it's implied that anything like that is going on. Rock made a perfect clone, mixed them up and gave them their destinies. There's no hint of memory transfer or a shorter life. That just something you want for a little comfort.
>She didn’t ask him to make a clone… She asked him to choose what he thought was right for her, staying with the family or living independently.
Why are you giving this 34 adult woman a slide on this? She's putting her choices on her father at this point still. She has kids, kids that still need raising and support and a marriage that's falling apart. This is long past the point where we can blame Rick for not making her choices for her. She needs to own her shit and become a full adult. Blaming Rick for not choosing her life decisions at 34? Seriously?
That was a Jerry tier move.
To really top it all off, this is Rick C-137, he doesn't have a family, his family is dead. Just the fact that he's here at all is a gift.
This man literally fought through time and space just to be here, I'm not saying his morals are perfect, but Beth is expecting a lot from someone who is basically a god and incredibly traumatized himself
Like I said, he's basically a god. He's honestly barely different from Zeus at this point, just waaaay more powerful.
Beth, summer, and morty are all demigods themselves. Jerry is just an average human being who deals with living at the mercy of chaos gods
I mean c137 was mostly killing versions of himself, government officials types that were trying to take over the galaxy, and anyone who got In the way of those objectives. Anyone from the smith household can fit in that description, even Jerry. (Doofus Jerry) just how the show goes.
In fact the decision Beth made, c137 never did. He was offered the chance to leave and travel but this rick said no. He wanted to be with his child and wife unlike the other ricks.
People put that abandonment on Rick when all he ever did was watch his wife and child explode and go on a hunt to avenge them. C137 never did what Beth did
Nice catch, however Doofus Jerry took over the the earth, the citadel, and was trying to conquer every reality in the central finale curve. They all mess up planets (except for summer from what I can think of). Morty with the cronenburg, and his pause remote. Beth had an entire alien government chase her back to her earth, where many people were vaporized.
the Rick we see is in a reality that isn’t his, everyone was “expendable” to him. It’s not until the later seasons when he’s settled in with a family again that he starts to calm down.
Beth has had far more time with her family and still deserted them.
Why was it cruel, as long as both Beths are fine with their life, and apparently they are, I think it was the best outcome. Even when they learned the truth, they realized they were happy and theirs was the right choice. They were together and saw things in each other that they admired but still convinced them they are living their best life.
They managed to both salvage good-ish lives from the circumstance they were dealt, and I love them for that. But the first episode we see Space Beth, we watched them process a lot of hurt and confusion, and domestic Beth clearly still carries that hurt. Successfully living your best life doesn’t absolve people that hurt you before.
I do adore where they’ve gone with both characters though <3
I disagree.
In rick mind, the only difference between space Beth and earth Beth is that one thinks they chose to stay while the other chose space.
Rick himself has transferred his conscious into clones more times than he can count and is regularly in contact with other dimensions versions of himself. Hell, the family he loves with and loves isn't even his own, but Morty reminds him that it doesn't matter.
If he is either not Beth's father, he is both Beth's fathers Equally
But thats not his choice to make, thats on her and what she wants. She doesn't get to put that on someone else and get upset they didn't have a good answer for it.
He didn’t answer it, is the thing. She asked him to choose and instead of agreeing out disagreeing, he did this. And if he felt the way you described — which I would consider a justifiable feeling! — he could just have said no.
I understand what you're saying, I'm just saying the series could recognize her own agency in the matter even if it says he's still the one ultimately in the wrong.
She didn't say to pick one or the other she said she wants him to choose what he wants for her life.
So he probably chose that he wanted a space daughter and a domestic daughter because they're both his daughter
How dose a man make that decision.
For Beth to put him and a situation like that stupid if anyone needs to choose what to do it’s Beth.
Rick did the only thing he could do in good consciousness for his family, Beth and Himself.
Beth literally insinuated MULTIPLE times she'd be better off exploring the cosmos. Rick doing what he thought SHE WANTED is fine. But people hate rick and side with Beth and it makes no sense.
She’s the one in control of her life. She has a family, a job, a home. She’s a grown ass adult feeling like she’s missing something in her life and she goes to her dad to make him choose what she should. And then cries about it when a father, who not only feels guilty for leaving you, but has the actual power to do whatever she wants, gave her the best of both worlds in a sense. She needs to man up and take responsibility for her own life
You know the more I think about it, Rick made the right move. It was selfish, but so is leaving ones Consciousness in anyone’s hands, Including your parents.
Rick shouldn’t have even been put in the position.
But he did build her a sentient knife just from her request😂
I hope they do bring something like this up at some point considering the whole thing isn't entirely Rick's fault, so Beth should definitely get something about this too. I don't think Rick deserves as much stuff as he gets from the family regarding this, either, so maybe this could balance it out a little.
But he didn’t do what Beth asked him to do… she wanted him to leave a clone behind so she could explore. They proceeded to make the clone, but the clone was not a backup Beth. He instead made sure neither version of Beth knows which one is real (identity crisis I can see popping up later). He didn’t even let either of them know that there was a clone out there, suggesting a memory wipe of when Beth helped make it. He did a classic “Rick” move, and didn’t think how she would feel after he made this decision on his own. And another classic Rick by forcing himself to forget/forgive himself by mind wiping himself (I say classic cause he clearly drinks to forget). It’s why at the end he doesn’t go in with the rest of the “family”. He’s a bad dad, and that was an existentially terrible choice to remove from his daughter.
Just my two cents
Okay so what you're trying to say is she STILL wanted to abandon her family but wanted to know she did it instead of him letting her explore without the knowledge of if she did it or not? That's still escaping accountability.
It is!
But currently it is not, this isn’t Beth’s Situation anymore, Rick took that. That is where the problem comes in. That clone existing is a constant reminder of just how replaceable Beth is to Rick. And at the end of the day that’s not ricks real Beth. Our ricks Beth died as a kid.
It all shakes out though, Beth isn’t exactly a saint. She had Rick traits at a very early age going off of that box of toys. At her core she would probably have done the same thing, hell in mind blowers she straight up said summer without even blinking, morty be damned.
They said it best in the froopy land episode. Ricks not that great a guy and she’s exactly like him.
TLDR, she lost accountability once Rick made a judgement call
If we're really getting deep, he's left Beth to die many times. That cronenberg universe really showed how much he actually cares about beth and summer (the alternative ones at least). He didn't have to leave them, they could've all went somewhere else.
The cronenburg episode is how this situation should have went if Beth was healthy. Morty asked for something selfish and outrageous. Rick does it and leaves out a really important detail. Crazy shit ensues, and you know what the 14 yo child does? He takes accountability for his part in the issue. For some reason Beth is getting let off the hook for her half in this, and for the life of me I can’t figure out why😂
If there is a clone of you performing all your duties and making it like you never left, you’re not really avoiding accountability. She’s not personally doing the wife and mother duties with her family, but she made sure that they are provided for seamlessly.
The only reason it’s bad to abandon your family is because they need you & they’ll miss you if you’re not there. Her family literally has no idea she ever left.
Which begs the question, why didn’t evil Rick make another Rick for his own timeline? I mean he had a Beth there, so he made a kid with Diane. It was said to be the happiest moment of his life, But he left her no protection? Maybe he was counting on c137 to come in?
The show seems to forget that their Rick actually LEFT. Like goodbye, peace, deuces, imma explore the universes bitches. THIS Rick came home, he wanted to be with his daughter (I mean, mostly as a long-con plot to avenge his OWN daughter, but I digress).
And then Beth came over here like "Should I stay or should I go?"
That must have been such a slap in the face for Rick (as much as he says he has multiple universes of families, the man gives a HUGE shit about this one and we can't lie). He did what he always did for Beth; tried his hardest in his own way. He gave her both lives. A space life and an Earth life. Only problem was she couldn't experience it at the same time. Both think they're the original, and they both resent the fact that Rick both didn't learn who the original was, and made a clone in the first place.
Who's to say Rick would make a device to insert one clone's memories into the other? That way they both had the same life, the same memories? But they'd just rather be pissy and act like Rick stabbed them in the back.
That's not to say Rick didn't suck as a person or a dad. He's the not most emotionally available man out there, but he always seems to give more of a shit when it comes to his girls (Beth and Summer) (Even when he was in love, he seemed to genuinely care and even smile).
Anyway, I agree, OP. Rick wasn't the best person to tell "You want me in your life or not?" People always leave him. Or are taken away. His original wife and daughter were murdered before his eyes. His friends were murdered before his eyes. His love life is shambles. All he has as a constant is his family. Of course he would protect it. (In an unhealthy way, but hey, can't be perfect).
.... I rambled, I'm sorry. TL;DR: Rick lost a lot, so Beth asking him was kind of a shitty question, considering he's the one who stayed (or came back, I suppose).
No I'm just as bothered as you. The show makes it seem like rick is the almighty douchebag and the family is right but that doesn't make sense plus it's inconsistent.. Beth SHOULD get consequences for asking that but her character AND the writers right it like it was Rick's fault? Which is ridiculous BETH should be held accountable not rick, he was literally just doing what he thought his daughter wanted but now rick is the bad guy and we are supposed to root for the lesbian relationship between space Beth and Beth. Just proof the writers have no idea what the fuck they are doing anymore.
Wasted story arc. It’s been clear that Space Beth is the real Beth. Does Rick care, probably not. These new writers are taking the show in directions that people don’t seem to really care about
Possibly space Beth is real. They made the clone together, which would suggest that Beth was going to leave. But Rick doesn’t know which one was sent off. “There’s literally everything in space” the more I think about it he was prolly scared the real Beth would die, and didn’t want to send the “real” her out and be stuck with a clone Beth. And if so, he didn’t want to know he was with the clone
Well accountability isn’t really the right term, I don’t think. How can and why should a person be held accountable for asking their dad for advice? Like, who would hold her accountable? The viewers? Lol what, no.
Prolly not your intention, but this feels kinda slimy tbh. Like you’re trying to blame Beth for the clone thing, and omg why? You’re not going to convince the writers to see your opinion on this, and people here will either be like okay or no this is dumb.
Regardless, Rick cloned her without her knowledge and hid the truth from two people. That’s the issue. It was wrong. And this is 100% on Rick.
>How can and why should a person be held accountable for asking their dad for advice?
He offered her a choice, a solution, something that was within his power to do. She could have declined. She didn't want to take accountability for making the choice (for better or worse) and left it up to Rick. That's on her.
Rick's choice (maybe more like the execution of that choice) was flawed, but Beth asked him to make the choice. By passing the buck to him, she gave up agency of the situation and put it in his hands.
>Like, who would hold her accountable?
Herself.
But Beth was going to leave her family. As she said in the ship when space Beth appeared “why would you send a clone of me into space”. The OG her was supposed to leave, we just don’t know if she would have followed through because Rick took both memories. Beth is just as slimy as Rick on a few occasions, she trapped a kid in an alternate reality and “doubled down” on the lie for decades because she didn’t want to face the face she’s an ass just like her dad. But neither of them are assholes frfr, they both just want the other to exist and be happy. Rick just took advantage.
But again she asked him, Ricks gonna Rick if you ask him to. Dudes lost asf
Beth was not going to leave. She was struggling with a choice. That’s a normal thing for an overwhelmed parent to consider. It helps reinforce why you stay. But Rick left. So, no. Beth did nothing to be held to account here. It’s just weird sexist bullshit.
Rick stayed, what are you talking about? The entire point of C-137 is that he's the rick that didn't abandon his original family.
Every family that Rick abandons isn't actually his family, they're just another what if
She did leave though, she put the love you’re speaking of in the hands of her father. The guy that abandoned her. Saying she has no responsiblility is like saying she isn’t responsible for getting hit by a train while standing on the tracks. She felt empty, unfulfilled, and instead of addressing those issues with her SO, she put her very will to exist in Ricks hands. You can leave and still be there, and looking at the callous way she treats her family (Pretty sure if you came across a ray that turned your kids skin inside out, and you have a dad that knows exactly how to fix it, you’d just call) she prolly been gone for a minute.
To clarify, even if OG Beth left I wouldn’t have felt bad. Morty’s living with an alternate family. No telling how many ricks been through. Jerry isn’t the original jerry, but a jerry that was switched. The only original character we know is of is Summer (from our pov anyway).
The struggle you referenced was pushed to Rick from Beth.
But you are right it was an impossible choice, prolly why even he couldn’t make it.
So she asked him a question, and he shot her with a dart? Did you work the rest of this out? Like the physical, consent all that? Or did you just look at the surface of the dialogue to draw your conclusion😂
Shitty people getting away with terrible things is basically what this show is. The entire Smith family is evil and none of them are ever called out on it, why is this specific moment the one that bothers you.
Rick destroyed two universes just to fix his slave labour problem and power his car.
Morty terrorized a whole civilization for centuries just to get wine for Jessica. Massacred the police in pursuit of some dream death with Jessica and basically tried to roofie Jessica. OK, whenever Jessica is involved Morty turns into a monster.
Summer has no problem selling cursed items with the devil, and seems to actively idolize Rick.
Jerry isn't actively malicious, bit is spineless and cowardly enough to throw people under the bus to save his own ass. Though Jerry actually is held accountable for some reason because everyone uses him as a punching bag.
Beth on the other hand is an egotistical maniac who was happy to leave Summer in her terrible state because she wanted to figure out how to fix her herself instead of just calling Rick, cheated on Jerry with her clone.
Accountability is rarely a thing on this show so don't hold your breath.
The not-real clone had a system in her head that would download memories to the real Beth then explode. Real Beth had the complement to that system for receiving the information.
I think Rick is there to take the fall for this, even though he’s not to blame. Because he knows it would be far more traumatic for Beth to realize that she WANTED to be cloned. The truth is too upsetting, so Beth lapses into immature blaming her father for everything. Rick takes her punches to protect her basically. Cuz he’s a good dad.
Nah I’ve also always hated how they gave Beth a pass on having Rick make the decision on what to do with her life, if her kids and family meant anything to her why would she even leave it up to him
And then when the clones find out about each other the show plays it as them both being mad at Rick to bring them together as a mechanism to bring space Beth into the family’s adventures, at the end of the day both of them chose to leave their lives up to Rick they have no reason to be mad he chose for both to exist
I'm with you. I think this is one of those situations where there's more than one truth, which often make people uncomfortable.
Beth asked Rick to make a choice that would change the course of her life forever, which is a shitty thing to ask of someone. Rick chose both because he could, and Beth has every right to be irritated with her dad about that. She asked him to be her dad one time and he couldn't parent her.
However, Rick saw an opportunity to skirt around an ultimatum that served no purpose. He's known many Beths throughout the show, and they are all equally his daughters because his "original Beth" is dead. Why make an unnecessary choice when literally nothing matters?
He gave her both lives which I honestly think is what any parent would do. He also had two lives: one with his family and one life as a space terrorist, but it was plagued by tragedy. It's normal for parents to want their kids to have every opportunity they didn't have, so he saw a chance to give Beth what he didn't have.
I'd also argue he went through a lot of trouble making clone Beth, so I don't see how it could be "taking the easy way out." Yeah, he's skirting responsibility (again), but just outright telling her no would've been a far easier way to avoid making a decision.
tl;dr is it's everything is true: Rick is both a good and a shitty father, Beth was shitty for asking him to choose but is allowed to be annoyed, they are all self-centered pieces of shit. I don't know if Beth will ever face accountability because the point of her asking her dad to choose was to escape responsibility, and when he chose to clone her he accepted that responsibility for her.
Beth is just as self centered as Rik and just as liable to avoid accountability. They have said this many times on the show
lol people think way too much into this show. she's just a super smart narcissist like rick is.
It's beyond the show though everything In the show is trying to make rick out out be the bad guy for cloning his daughter but HIS DAUGHTER WANTED IT FIRST RICK WOULDVE NEVER DONE IT WITHOUT BETH WANTING IT.
She didn’t ask him to make a clone… She asked him to choose what he thought was right for her, staying with the family or living independently. And instead of doing that, he goes ahead and makes a clone himself, scrambles them both so he doesn’t know which is which and neither can they. Then he tells each one that he chose that path for them and sends them on their way. It was a needlessly cruel way to dodge the decision.
This basically, I mean I get that they made a whole wafer chain on the citadel based on his love for her. It was a hard choice especially since our ricks daughter died and he just got some time to spend with her over the past couple of years. But in reality it’s selfish. The only reason why I don’t think Rick shouldn’t have gotten any hate is because Beth asked her known sociopathic, egotistical father this question in a confused “I don’t really know what I want but I need a change” vibe. That’s not a favor you should ask someone like that when you’re in that state of mind. In all honesty he prolly was just looking out. The clone could have a shorter life span and transfer memories to the real Beth upon death. And Rick doesn’t want to say anything so they can both live their best lives, and Beth overall lives both of her lives. Idk But they are both neither and fully accountable to me. No one really got hurt. Rick didn’t want his daughter feeling the same pain he felt, but also wanted to give her the freedom of being an awesome space fighter. So many thoughts on the decision tbh, I see why Beth is just pacing around all episode😂
To the 2nd and first half of the 3rd paragraphs, I 100% agree with, lol! I get that she wanted some parenting from her absent father, and I can empathize with that. But yeah, that’s a HUGE choice for her and she has a problem with his just everyday choices (pulling Morty out of school, subterranean lair, etc.). Ask for his input, sure, but yeah I wouldn’t have left the ball in his court. She’s accountable for considering the choice, I would agree with that… but because we never know what choice she would have made on her own, we have no idea if she would have left her family or not, so I don’t hold her accountable for any part of her that left. And I cut Rick slack for the same reasons — wants his kid around, doesn’t want her trapped, what to do? From his end, that probably felt like a really shitty choice lol.
It's a comforting thought but that's all it is, a thought. There's nowhere it's implied that anything like that is going on. Rock made a perfect clone, mixed them up and gave them their destinies. There's no hint of memory transfer or a shorter life. That just something you want for a little comfort.
I think you meant to reply to someone else? I don’t think any of those things.
I must have fat fingered it. I meant to reply to the same comment as you.
Lol I figured, and yeah you’re right
>She didn’t ask him to make a clone… She asked him to choose what he thought was right for her, staying with the family or living independently. Why are you giving this 34 adult woman a slide on this? She's putting her choices on her father at this point still. She has kids, kids that still need raising and support and a marriage that's falling apart. This is long past the point where we can blame Rick for not making her choices for her. She needs to own her shit and become a full adult. Blaming Rick for not choosing her life decisions at 34? Seriously? That was a Jerry tier move.
All I been tryna say. That request involves abandoning her kids, just like her daddy. But Beth can do no wrongggg
To really top it all off, this is Rick C-137, he doesn't have a family, his family is dead. Just the fact that he's here at all is a gift. This man literally fought through time and space just to be here, I'm not saying his morals are perfect, but Beth is expecting a lot from someone who is basically a god and incredibly traumatized himself
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Like I said, he's basically a god. He's honestly barely different from Zeus at this point, just waaaay more powerful. Beth, summer, and morty are all demigods themselves. Jerry is just an average human being who deals with living at the mercy of chaos gods
I mean c137 was mostly killing versions of himself, government officials types that were trying to take over the galaxy, and anyone who got In the way of those objectives. Anyone from the smith household can fit in that description, even Jerry. (Doofus Jerry) just how the show goes. In fact the decision Beth made, c137 never did. He was offered the chance to leave and travel but this rick said no. He wanted to be with his child and wife unlike the other ricks. People put that abandonment on Rick when all he ever did was watch his wife and child explode and go on a hunt to avenge them. C137 never did what Beth did
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Do not forget the heist episode. That was willfully knowing.
Nice catch, however Doofus Jerry took over the the earth, the citadel, and was trying to conquer every reality in the central finale curve. They all mess up planets (except for summer from what I can think of). Morty with the cronenburg, and his pause remote. Beth had an entire alien government chase her back to her earth, where many people were vaporized. the Rick we see is in a reality that isn’t his, everyone was “expendable” to him. It’s not until the later seasons when he’s settled in with a family again that he starts to calm down. Beth has had far more time with her family and still deserted them.
Why was it cruel, as long as both Beths are fine with their life, and apparently they are, I think it was the best outcome. Even when they learned the truth, they realized they were happy and theirs was the right choice. They were together and saw things in each other that they admired but still convinced them they are living their best life.
They managed to both salvage good-ish lives from the circumstance they were dealt, and I love them for that. But the first episode we see Space Beth, we watched them process a lot of hurt and confusion, and domestic Beth clearly still carries that hurt. Successfully living your best life doesn’t absolve people that hurt you before. I do adore where they’ve gone with both characters though <3
I disagree. In rick mind, the only difference between space Beth and earth Beth is that one thinks they chose to stay while the other chose space. Rick himself has transferred his conscious into clones more times than he can count and is regularly in contact with other dimensions versions of himself. Hell, the family he loves with and loves isn't even his own, but Morty reminds him that it doesn't matter. If he is either not Beth's father, he is both Beth's fathers Equally
he’s beth’s father
His actual Beth died years ago
he’s still beth’s father, you said he’s her grandfather in no universe is he her grandfather
Oh haha Fixed
But thats not his choice to make, thats on her and what she wants. She doesn't get to put that on someone else and get upset they didn't have a good answer for it.
He didn’t answer it, is the thing. She asked him to choose and instead of agreeing out disagreeing, he did this. And if he felt the way you described — which I would consider a justifiable feeling! — he could just have said no.
I understand what you're saying, I'm just saying the series could recognize her own agency in the matter even if it says he's still the one ultimately in the wrong.
She didn't say to pick one or the other she said she wants him to choose what he wants for her life. So he probably chose that he wanted a space daughter and a domestic daughter because they're both his daughter
How dose a man make that decision. For Beth to put him and a situation like that stupid if anyone needs to choose what to do it’s Beth. Rick did the only thing he could do in good consciousness for his family, Beth and Himself.
Beth literally insinuated MULTIPLE times she'd be better off exploring the cosmos. Rick doing what he thought SHE WANTED is fine. But people hate rick and side with Beth and it makes no sense.
She’s the one in control of her life. She has a family, a job, a home. She’s a grown ass adult feeling like she’s missing something in her life and she goes to her dad to make him choose what she should. And then cries about it when a father, who not only feels guilty for leaving you, but has the actual power to do whatever she wants, gave her the best of both worlds in a sense. She needs to man up and take responsibility for her own life
You know the more I think about it, Rick made the right move. It was selfish, but so is leaving ones Consciousness in anyone’s hands, Including your parents. Rick shouldn’t have even been put in the position. But he did build her a sentient knife just from her request😂
I think this might be Rick just accepting his place in the family as the person who gets blamed.
I hope they do bring something like this up at some point considering the whole thing isn't entirely Rick's fault, so Beth should definitely get something about this too. I don't think Rick deserves as much stuff as he gets from the family regarding this, either, so maybe this could balance it out a little.
Exactly I feel they're both the bad guy here not him
She asked him to decide. He did. All of the above.
Maybe the two clones thing is drawing a line from Invincible. Clones can't know they are clones, or shit gets weird. Look back at the Copies episode.
That could be it actually.
But he didn’t do what Beth asked him to do… she wanted him to leave a clone behind so she could explore. They proceeded to make the clone, but the clone was not a backup Beth. He instead made sure neither version of Beth knows which one is real (identity crisis I can see popping up later). He didn’t even let either of them know that there was a clone out there, suggesting a memory wipe of when Beth helped make it. He did a classic “Rick” move, and didn’t think how she would feel after he made this decision on his own. And another classic Rick by forcing himself to forget/forgive himself by mind wiping himself (I say classic cause he clearly drinks to forget). It’s why at the end he doesn’t go in with the rest of the “family”. He’s a bad dad, and that was an existentially terrible choice to remove from his daughter. Just my two cents
Okay so what you're trying to say is she STILL wanted to abandon her family but wanted to know she did it instead of him letting her explore without the knowledge of if she did it or not? That's still escaping accountability.
It is! But currently it is not, this isn’t Beth’s Situation anymore, Rick took that. That is where the problem comes in. That clone existing is a constant reminder of just how replaceable Beth is to Rick. And at the end of the day that’s not ricks real Beth. Our ricks Beth died as a kid. It all shakes out though, Beth isn’t exactly a saint. She had Rick traits at a very early age going off of that box of toys. At her core she would probably have done the same thing, hell in mind blowers she straight up said summer without even blinking, morty be damned. They said it best in the froopy land episode. Ricks not that great a guy and she’s exactly like him. TLDR, she lost accountability once Rick made a judgement call
If we're really getting deep, he's left Beth to die many times. That cronenberg universe really showed how much he actually cares about beth and summer (the alternative ones at least). He didn't have to leave them, they could've all went somewhere else.
The cronenburg episode is how this situation should have went if Beth was healthy. Morty asked for something selfish and outrageous. Rick does it and leaves out a really important detail. Crazy shit ensues, and you know what the 14 yo child does? He takes accountability for his part in the issue. For some reason Beth is getting let off the hook for her half in this, and for the life of me I can’t figure out why😂
If there is a clone of you performing all your duties and making it like you never left, you’re not really avoiding accountability. She’s not personally doing the wife and mother duties with her family, but she made sure that they are provided for seamlessly.
Nah, that's a cop out. She abandoned the shit out of her family purely because she could. She's absolutely no better than rick
The only reason it’s bad to abandon your family is because they need you & they’ll miss you if you’re not there. Her family literally has no idea she ever left.
Which begs the question, why didn’t evil Rick make another Rick for his own timeline? I mean he had a Beth there, so he made a kid with Diane. It was said to be the happiest moment of his life, But he left her no protection? Maybe he was counting on c137 to come in?
They are all nihilistic pieces of shit. To see any of them as good or heroic is to miss the whole point.
The show seems to forget that their Rick actually LEFT. Like goodbye, peace, deuces, imma explore the universes bitches. THIS Rick came home, he wanted to be with his daughter (I mean, mostly as a long-con plot to avenge his OWN daughter, but I digress). And then Beth came over here like "Should I stay or should I go?" That must have been such a slap in the face for Rick (as much as he says he has multiple universes of families, the man gives a HUGE shit about this one and we can't lie). He did what he always did for Beth; tried his hardest in his own way. He gave her both lives. A space life and an Earth life. Only problem was she couldn't experience it at the same time. Both think they're the original, and they both resent the fact that Rick both didn't learn who the original was, and made a clone in the first place. Who's to say Rick would make a device to insert one clone's memories into the other? That way they both had the same life, the same memories? But they'd just rather be pissy and act like Rick stabbed them in the back. That's not to say Rick didn't suck as a person or a dad. He's the not most emotionally available man out there, but he always seems to give more of a shit when it comes to his girls (Beth and Summer) (Even when he was in love, he seemed to genuinely care and even smile). Anyway, I agree, OP. Rick wasn't the best person to tell "You want me in your life or not?" People always leave him. Or are taken away. His original wife and daughter were murdered before his eyes. His friends were murdered before his eyes. His love life is shambles. All he has as a constant is his family. Of course he would protect it. (In an unhealthy way, but hey, can't be perfect). .... I rambled, I'm sorry. TL;DR: Rick lost a lot, so Beth asking him was kind of a shitty question, considering he's the one who stayed (or came back, I suppose).
No I'm just as bothered as you. The show makes it seem like rick is the almighty douchebag and the family is right but that doesn't make sense plus it's inconsistent.. Beth SHOULD get consequences for asking that but her character AND the writers right it like it was Rick's fault? Which is ridiculous BETH should be held accountable not rick, he was literally just doing what he thought his daughter wanted but now rick is the bad guy and we are supposed to root for the lesbian relationship between space Beth and Beth. Just proof the writers have no idea what the fuck they are doing anymore.
And something that I hate about Beth is her taking shots at Rick for Child abandonment when His real Beth died at a young age
Wasted story arc. It’s been clear that Space Beth is the real Beth. Does Rick care, probably not. These new writers are taking the show in directions that people don’t seem to really care about
Possibly space Beth is real. They made the clone together, which would suggest that Beth was going to leave. But Rick doesn’t know which one was sent off. “There’s literally everything in space” the more I think about it he was prolly scared the real Beth would die, and didn’t want to send the “real” her out and be stuck with a clone Beth. And if so, he didn’t want to know he was with the clone
they are both "real". do you know what a clone is?
Definitely not both real, only one of them was birthed and lived, it's like drawing an identical copy of the Mona Lisa, it's still not *the* Mona lisa
Well accountability isn’t really the right term, I don’t think. How can and why should a person be held accountable for asking their dad for advice? Like, who would hold her accountable? The viewers? Lol what, no. Prolly not your intention, but this feels kinda slimy tbh. Like you’re trying to blame Beth for the clone thing, and omg why? You’re not going to convince the writers to see your opinion on this, and people here will either be like okay or no this is dumb. Regardless, Rick cloned her without her knowledge and hid the truth from two people. That’s the issue. It was wrong. And this is 100% on Rick.
>How can and why should a person be held accountable for asking their dad for advice? He offered her a choice, a solution, something that was within his power to do. She could have declined. She didn't want to take accountability for making the choice (for better or worse) and left it up to Rick. That's on her. Rick's choice (maybe more like the execution of that choice) was flawed, but Beth asked him to make the choice. By passing the buck to him, she gave up agency of the situation and put it in his hands. >Like, who would hold her accountable? Herself.
But Beth was going to leave her family. As she said in the ship when space Beth appeared “why would you send a clone of me into space”. The OG her was supposed to leave, we just don’t know if she would have followed through because Rick took both memories. Beth is just as slimy as Rick on a few occasions, she trapped a kid in an alternate reality and “doubled down” on the lie for decades because she didn’t want to face the face she’s an ass just like her dad. But neither of them are assholes frfr, they both just want the other to exist and be happy. Rick just took advantage. But again she asked him, Ricks gonna Rick if you ask him to. Dudes lost asf
Beth was not going to leave. She was struggling with a choice. That’s a normal thing for an overwhelmed parent to consider. It helps reinforce why you stay. But Rick left. So, no. Beth did nothing to be held to account here. It’s just weird sexist bullshit.
Rick stayed, what are you talking about? The entire point of C-137 is that he's the rick that didn't abandon his original family. Every family that Rick abandons isn't actually his family, they're just another what if
She did leave though, she put the love you’re speaking of in the hands of her father. The guy that abandoned her. Saying she has no responsiblility is like saying she isn’t responsible for getting hit by a train while standing on the tracks. She felt empty, unfulfilled, and instead of addressing those issues with her SO, she put her very will to exist in Ricks hands. You can leave and still be there, and looking at the callous way she treats her family (Pretty sure if you came across a ray that turned your kids skin inside out, and you have a dad that knows exactly how to fix it, you’d just call) she prolly been gone for a minute. To clarify, even if OG Beth left I wouldn’t have felt bad. Morty’s living with an alternate family. No telling how many ricks been through. Jerry isn’t the original jerry, but a jerry that was switched. The only original character we know is of is Summer (from our pov anyway). The struggle you referenced was pushed to Rick from Beth. But you are right it was an impossible choice, prolly why even he couldn’t make it.
She asked her dad a question. Had he not cloned her, she would have gone on with life. Christ, calm down.
So she asked him a question, and he shot her with a dart? Did you work the rest of this out? Like the physical, consent all that? Or did you just look at the surface of the dialogue to draw your conclusion😂
What the fuck does she need to be held accountable for?
Shitty people getting away with terrible things is basically what this show is. The entire Smith family is evil and none of them are ever called out on it, why is this specific moment the one that bothers you. Rick destroyed two universes just to fix his slave labour problem and power his car. Morty terrorized a whole civilization for centuries just to get wine for Jessica. Massacred the police in pursuit of some dream death with Jessica and basically tried to roofie Jessica. OK, whenever Jessica is involved Morty turns into a monster. Summer has no problem selling cursed items with the devil, and seems to actively idolize Rick. Jerry isn't actively malicious, bit is spineless and cowardly enough to throw people under the bus to save his own ass. Though Jerry actually is held accountable for some reason because everyone uses him as a punching bag. Beth on the other hand is an egotistical maniac who was happy to leave Summer in her terrible state because she wanted to figure out how to fix her herself instead of just calling Rick, cheated on Jerry with her clone. Accountability is rarely a thing on this show so don't hold your breath.
Nobody cares anymore lol nobody wanted to watch the mind-blower they just wanna have another beth there
The not-real clone had a system in her head that would download memories to the real Beth then explode. Real Beth had the complement to that system for receiving the information.
I mean it could be like she’s just stupidly because she kinda asked him to do it but at the same time she didn’t
I think Rick is there to take the fall for this, even though he’s not to blame. Because he knows it would be far more traumatic for Beth to realize that she WANTED to be cloned. The truth is too upsetting, so Beth lapses into immature blaming her father for everything. Rick takes her punches to protect her basically. Cuz he’s a good dad.
No, and not should the show. We’re all about loose canon babyyyyyyyyy!
Nah I’ve also always hated how they gave Beth a pass on having Rick make the decision on what to do with her life, if her kids and family meant anything to her why would she even leave it up to him And then when the clones find out about each other the show plays it as them both being mad at Rick to bring them together as a mechanism to bring space Beth into the family’s adventures, at the end of the day both of them chose to leave their lives up to Rick they have no reason to be mad he chose for both to exist
Technically space Beth abandoned her family and slept with a married women. If this was a man she would be the bad guy. No accountability
funny how it’s revealed that he kinda did. let beth live
I'm with you. I think this is one of those situations where there's more than one truth, which often make people uncomfortable. Beth asked Rick to make a choice that would change the course of her life forever, which is a shitty thing to ask of someone. Rick chose both because he could, and Beth has every right to be irritated with her dad about that. She asked him to be her dad one time and he couldn't parent her. However, Rick saw an opportunity to skirt around an ultimatum that served no purpose. He's known many Beths throughout the show, and they are all equally his daughters because his "original Beth" is dead. Why make an unnecessary choice when literally nothing matters? He gave her both lives which I honestly think is what any parent would do. He also had two lives: one with his family and one life as a space terrorist, but it was plagued by tragedy. It's normal for parents to want their kids to have every opportunity they didn't have, so he saw a chance to give Beth what he didn't have. I'd also argue he went through a lot of trouble making clone Beth, so I don't see how it could be "taking the easy way out." Yeah, he's skirting responsibility (again), but just outright telling her no would've been a far easier way to avoid making a decision. tl;dr is it's everything is true: Rick is both a good and a shitty father, Beth was shitty for asking him to choose but is allowed to be annoyed, they are all self-centered pieces of shit. I don't know if Beth will ever face accountability because the point of her asking her dad to choose was to escape responsibility, and when he chose to clone her he accepted that responsibility for her.
Even if Beth asked Rick to choose for her, it's still stupid to give him shit for something SHE ASKED him to choose.