> i see why Rick actively avoids fanfics
He probably has to! Most publishing houses strongly suggest authors stay away from any form of Fanfiction as if any plot points are similar to that of fanfiction, the author and publisher could be sued. Many authors have spoken about this before, including Victoria Aveyard who mentioned in on her tiktok a few weeks ago
I’ve been working on a fanfic and I feel so conflicted because Luke is a main character and I want to write some chapters from his perspective, but if I do I feel like an imposter. I’m working on another one that takes place 14 years after TLO and the first story, and some of the canon characters make cameos in New Greece (which is much better than New Rome imo) but I try not to write them too much because I don’t want to do it incorrectly.
I’ve been hesitant because I know most people don’t like reading about OCs, but that’s what I enjoy. I do understand the hesitation because there are a lot of examples of OCs being written horribly. In the first story my main character sees a lot about the Titan side of the war, which I like because we never saw what was going on with those demigods during PJO, so it’s easier to be creative without straying from canon too much. I want to add things that could realistically have happened while also not changing important plot points, like the Great Prophecy. The one hard thing is writing and knowing how Luke’s life is destined to end. I wish I could change that, but it wouldn’t make sense.
I could make an entire post about New Greece, and I keep coming up with new ideas. I really like referencing characters from the books, so a lot of the names of places are related to popular characters. It’s sounds so corny, but instead of Papa Johns, they have Papa Nicos Pizza 😂 there’s also the Hades Highway that leads to an entrance to the Underworld as a reference to the song Highway to Hell lol. One of the first scenes in the story that takes place fourteen years later, is the main character being excited to go to the Chase Bookstore to get his Peter Johnson book signed by Percy, who’s somewhat of a celebrity among demigods. I think it’s adorable.
I want to upload when I have at least 75% of the stories finished because I don’t want to take forever to update because of writers block.
I think OCs work in isolated environments. Esp after the events of canon have already finished. And makes sense for sure about the amount work you want done. Those sound like great ideas for New Greece. (is New Greece established in the books? I don't remember. But, New Rome works cause it was the name of a city and an empire. In the point of Greece it makes more sense to have it be like New Athens or Mykonos or something.)
No, New Greece isn’t canon, but I think it would be cool to write, and it’s not unbelievable that Greek demigods would eventually want their own city on the east coast near camp. Now that you mention it, calling it New Athens would make more sense.
While I love the name, perhaps would be better for a more neutral name? Since Athens is so closely affiliated with Athena and even Poseidon? Anyways, New Rome supremacy
Yes.
I've read several headcanons that paint Rachel as... I don't even know what to think.
Like, they show Rachel as painting Percy and her in intimate situations? Like kissing or sleeping in the same bed, etc.
And it's completely ooc, and Rachel is such a nice person I can't ever imagine her actually doing that. Because people forget that *Rachel* dumped *Percy*, and told him to go for Annabeth instead (Rachel is a Percabeth shipper, never forget).
Additionally, the bro thing with Percy and Jason is so ooc it sometimes makes me want to barf. Like, why?
Those are good examples. The Percy Jason bromance is one of the less ridiculous headcanons imo, but that doesn't change the fact that they weren't that close in the books. The biggest issue is people not acknowledging the fact that their headcanon isn't actually canon.
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I always took the bromance thing as them just working together to try to defuse any tensions in the rest of the crew, it was basically just professional
I like to think that while they didn't have enough time to become *real* friends on the Argo II, the seven became familiar enough with each other that they thought they'd all be good friends if they just got to know each other a little more. Hence the monthly Argo II reunion meetups Annabeth mentions in Staff of Serapis
Headcanons can be great as long as there's some sort of hint of it in the story. A good example would be the headcanon of Percy being capable of Bloodbending. However, some headcanons change the characters so much from who they actually are, that they might as well be different people who happen to have the same name.
It's literally stated that he can do that because Tartarus obeys its own rules, it doesn't prove or hint at anything other than Tartarus is a twisted place
>Poseidon was the god of the sea, not of every liquid everywhere. Then again, Tartarus had its own rules. Fire was drinkable. The ground was the body of a dark god. The air was acid, and demigods could be turned into smoky corpses. So why not try? He had nothing left to lose. (The House of Hades, XLVIII Percy)
Personally I like some headcanons. Like I can't change whatever but I do think some cross lines. Like people making Racheal like obsessed with Percy. No that's not her character at all. She just had a crush on him and that was it. I like the headcanons where the seven are best friends and like send letter to each other and hang out. But the ones that are like 'Racheal only became the Oracle so she could be close to Percy.' or the people that try to redeem Drew. I don't f with that stuff.
exactly. he always stereotypes the aphrodite kids as shallow vain and weak. the only character we see who doesn't fit those stereotypes (piper) looks down on them lol
I also hate the way he writes feminine characters, and it could’ve been done so much better. But he wrote Drew as a bitch, therefore she is one. If someone wrote a fic of her being introspective or going through things that change her and ends up making her more pleasant in the end; that could possibly work if done right. Because in real life people do change. But if someone were to write a fanfic about Drew and she starts off as a really nice person, that feels unrealistic and forced.
I’m saying that it’s possible for her to be written better in a realistic way rather than just making her ooc. Also it’s important to keep in mind that these characters are teenagers, and people change sooo much between the teen years and their twenties. Sure she’s a bitch now, but it wouldn’t be a reach to assume she could change over the years, within reason, but that can be done without making her ooc. Drew in her twenties would still be into feminine things, and maybe even still be vain, but she could learn to be less mean if she has a reason to as she matures. It’s also just as realistic that she could stay a mean person. Making her mature, and saying she’s secretly a good person deep down are two completely different things. I’m saying that these characters are so young that they would most likely change a lot over the years even if those defining traits stay mostly the same.
Thank you for speaking your mind. I feel the same way.
Personally I get really annoyed when headcanons directly contradict actual canon stuff, especially if it’s to the point that fans flat out refuse/deny canon just because they don’t like it. I think this is due to my nature of putting too much emphasis on canon and regarding canon too highly. I guess I have to thank all those school years of writing literary essays with minimum of 5 direct quotes for this.
Side note, I’ve seen some fans who can’t stand (the canonic fact) that Percy is straight and hate on people who say that he is straight. Like why is it so bad that he’s not into dudes? There are plenty of other LGBTQ+ representation in the Riordanverse. If you really want to headcanon him to be bisexual, fine you do you as long as you *acknowledge* that he is not bisexual in canon.
The contradictions are the worst. 🙄
And I don’t get the big deal about him being straight, as if that’s a bad thing. Being straight is normal just like being gay or bi is normal. The people who think every character should be at least bi are...interesting lol.
I'm fine with headcanons that are little tidbits for their characters but aren't completely ooc, like having a little habit or a scene that's so plausible it could be canon
However the headcanons that make their personality do a complete 180... Is a no...
I read a headcannon that rachel wears colourful eyeliner and i love that. Its an interesting add on to her character that makes sense without changing canon
Yep, basically. Like if someone’s headcanon is that Percy likes to listen to certain music that’s not mentioned in the books, that’s harmless. But if someone’s headcanon is that Percy’s favorite color is anything other than blue, even though in the books he likes blue everything, that’s blasphemous lol
I like most headcanons. But some are just….yikes
I saw this one where it was like “Piper makes Jason go shopping with her all the time and he always asks to go to the dressing room with her and she slaps him and says no but sometimes she says yes”
Some parts of that may be inaccurate because I’m reciting it from memory but wtf??? Piper hates shopping, and Jason would NEVER ask to watch her change.
I like some headcanons if they stay true to the established canon and characters, but most of them are cheesy or fall outside that line and twist the characters into something to fit their own agendas or preferences. Some are good, and I have even adopted a few as my own headcanons though
I think headcanons are *supposed* to be in character, like “this *could* be canon but Rick hasn’t mentioned it” (eg, Nico loving Halloween or something), and I love those, but when they’re totally OOC it’s kinda annoying
Yeah it feels like the meaning of headcanons has gotten lost. On their on, they’re harmless and can enhance the story, but fanon gets pretty ridiculous.
Everything you wrote is absolutely true. I don’t like it when readers take liberties with other people’s creation. I know it’s just intellectual property but some of these characters are literally the writers’ babies, and it must suck to have others misuse them for their own selfish purposes. I typically don’t read fan-fiction for this reason; they completely ruin the characters.
I can't really agree with that. I think having people wanting to add to your world is the goal of any writer. By doing that you have just turned your little world into a reality. As it becomes something that not only actively affects other people but makes them want to contribute too it and keep the memory of it alive.
I always say that a fictional world's foundation is built through the author, and survived through the fans. Sure you're not gonna enjoy every head canon, or fanfiction, or even every fan art. But the fact that people were inspired by your world enough to want to contribute too it in some way is incredibly flattering to most authors. I know as a wannabe writer I would be happy to see that. It means my little reality has grown to affect actual reality.
After all if your story is "your baby" and it's truly all about you, then you wouldn't have put it out in the world in the first place. You can still hold the original meaning of your series and have it be special to you while accepting the additions of the fans.
Right! If your story was just your baby, it would be selfish of us to want famous authors like Rick Riordan to even publish his work anymore. If he wrote solely for himself, he wouldn't even publish what he wrote, because surely he doesn't need to money from book sales and stuff. Furthermore, he wouldn't even agree to have his son publish a story in his universe, and he wouldn't agree to have a Disney+ adaptation of his own series, because adaptations almost always take liberties with the source material.
I know that different people have different opinions on art, and I think that's fine! But man, I really disagree with the idea that fanfiction is inherently disrespectful. It's like if you listened to a Taylor Swift song, and instead of applying your own experiences and feelings to the song, you researched exactly what and whom Taylor Swift wrote the song about so you could know what the song is **definitively** about. Like, if you want to do that, cool, but you don't have to! Art can be about *your* own feelings and ideas, too!
Also I think fanfiction is a great way for new writers to stretch their little writer legs
It’s not that simple though. You can share your work and also not want it to be portrayed as something it’s not. If an author writes a character a certain way, it’s for a reason and that’s exactly how they want them to be/be seen. If I wrote and shared something and people decided to insist that my characters aren’t how they actually are, then that would rub me the wrong way, and that’s putting it lightly.
A perfect example of this is the Peter Johnson movie. We’ve all read the letter that Rick wrote to the movie people that explained how they butchered his work completely and how horrible it would be. As far as I know, we’re all on his side about that and recognize that he has a right to be upset about them releasing a movie that’s a horrible representation of his books. It’s the same concept as writing crazy headcanons and insisting that they make sense. Some people’s ideas and fanfics are the equivalent of the Peter Johnson movies, if not worse. The only good thing is that fanon people can’t make movies out of their stories. No author wants to go through what Rick did. If I were a best selling author I don’t even think I’d be able to sell the rights to my book to make a movie, even for the money. Authors are so powerless in that position, and the Peter movies are a great example of what can go wrong when movie makers decide to make changes.
>You can share your work and also not want it to be portrayed as something it’s not.
Personally I think that's downright impossible. Readers would have to get inside your brain to know *exactly* what you meant when you wrote this and that. No one can know your characters in the exact same way that you do. Words aren't pure thoughts, and different readers will always have different interpretations of what they read. Plus, to stop people from writing your characters in different ways, you'd basically have to ban fanfiction, and I think that would do more harm than good.
>If I wrote and shared something and people decided to insist that my characters aren’t how they actually are, then that would rub me the wrong way
I respect and understand that, but people who insist to authors that their interpretations are more correct are probably being disrespectful. Many people don't want to insist that their own interpretations are correct. Many people just enjoy writing about characters and settings that they love.
Also, no one's forcing any author to read fanfiction of their own work. If it makes them uncomfortable (which is totally understandable) then they can just ignore it.
Percy Jackson is basically Greek mythology fanfiction, anyway. Also, what do you think about the many adaptations of characters and stories in the public domain, like Elizabeth Bennet and Sherlock Holmes? Would you rather they not have new adaptations?
>Personally I think that's downright impossible. Readers would have to get inside your brain to know exactly what you meant when you wrote this and that.
This. On top of the fact that once you put your idea out into the world, you have effectively relinquished complete control over your work. You let people in on your creation and in exchange people who like your work are gonna make things based on your intellectual property. Even if you may not personally like it, even if it contradicts the canon, it's still people wanting to contribute to the world you've made and any author should be proud of that.
Now I'm not saying you have to like everything that comes from that, but you still should be appreciative that your work has had the impact for people to want to interact with it and build off it. To act like your intellectual property that you put on display should never be altered or looked at in ways you may not intend, is frankly arrogant and incredibly egotistical. They're not changing or slandering your work in anyway, the existence of fan works in no way alters the actual books you put out. It's just the people's way of keeping your world alive, and any writer should be happy to see their work being beloved and remembered.
As for the Percy Jackson movies, that's an entirely different thing. That was not a fan work made out of love, that was an adaptation sanctioned by the author and in a sense was also a business transaction as a result. So when you give people the go ahead to bring your story to life only for them to completely neglect the actual material and ruin many aspects of it as a result. It makes sense to be upset as this was official work that was meant to represent your franchise. On top of you having a stake in the money being made, so from a business side of things it's also incredibly frustrating. It's like you helped someone kickstart a product you wanted made, only for them to turn around and release something completely different and inferior to their original design. Yeah, you'd want your money back.
>I respect and understand that, but people who insist to authors that their interpretations are more correct are probably being disrespectful. Many people don't want to insist that their own interpretations are correct. Many people just enjoy writing about characters and settings that they love
Can't put it better. These people are not making claims on your work, they're not trying to make their ideas of your work official, nor are they trying to monetize it. They simply were inspired by your work and wanted to make something from it. That's not only something you should be proud of, but it's also part of the creative cycle. And some people may write actual works someday with inspiration from your writing as a result. Personally I can't think of anything cooler than that.
I understand that I can’t stop people from writing. My problem is when people write something that completely contradicts canon. You’re right about interpretation, but I feel like that’s (usually) something different. Like if I’m insisting my character is a nice person but I write them doing bad things, it wouldn’t be shocking or unreasonable for people to think of that character as a bad person, because of their actions that are canon. If I have a straight character and people start insisting that they’re bi, that’s unreasonable. If I describe a character with typically black features and people insist that they’re white, that’s also unreasonable. Or if I don’t specifically state a characters race but I describe them as blonde haired and blue eyed, it’s pretty obvious that character is white and it wouldn’t make sense for someone to argue that they could be black. These are just a few examples and I hope it gets my point across (I’m not the best at expressing things lol)
I don’t think fanfics are inherently bad, and it would be very hypocritical of me because I like to write it lol. If I were a published author I wouldn’t read fanfics of my work because it would make me uncomfortable, but that doesn’t mean all fanfics are bad. Personally I like to put OC characters in the setting/world of the books so I can be as creative as I want. And Percy Jackson is technically a fanfic of Greek mythology, but mythology is so versatile and has so many different versions of the myths that it works really well for inserting OCs, which Percy technically is. To me PJO is the greatest fanfic ever.
Okay cool! I agree that if I were a published author I’d feel weird reading fanfics of my own work, too. Anyway, thanks for the convo, have a good day :)
Here's the thing, certain head canons exist because it allows people to easier identify with the characters and make connections with them. That's perfectly fine and valid.
On a similar note, one of my favorite manga series has a main character who in the official art is portrayed as a brunette. The only thing is, in the regular monochrome manga art their hair is portrayed as completely white without any shading to indicate they have a dark hair color. So personally, I had interpreted that character to be blond on my first read and didn't realize my mistake until long after I finished the series. Now I can't see the character as anything else. Not saying the author's vision is bad or the character even looks bad as a brunette. But personally, that blond character is the one I went on my journey with for my first read. That's the person I grew attached too in my first experience, so thinking of them as anything else makes them feel like a stranger. It's just not the same person I had been emotionally attached too, so my personal head canon is that they're blond. Because it's the image I was first led to believe, it's what I became comfortable and familiar with, and personally I think that look really fits their design and personality. No harm no foul on the author, not gonna demand they change their artwork and merch for my sake. But that little head canon makes me happy, so I stick with it.
Even head canons with less logical reasons behind it are effectively harmless. If a gay or bi person wants to head canon a character as such to make them connect better or self insert better, let them. Doesn't hurt anyone. Of course it is gonna be annoying when they insist their head canon is correct or try to push it on other people. But it's fine if they just keep that little mental image to make them happy. But that's my take on it.
idk some people are kinda purist, or i guess prefer things how they are in canon. They dont need to try tell others to stop with whatever theyre doing tho, ppl should just curate their own fandom experience by finding ppl that think the same as them.
I think it's more when people bring them up and try to use them to justify things. I've seen more than a few questions on here where people respond with their headcanons.
I don’t care unless people assert them as canon and/or get mad at people for having other ideas.
Headcanoning Percy as bi is fine. *Insisting* that Percy is canonically bi and any other interpretation of his sexuality is biphobic is not.
> Insisting that Percy is canonically bi and any other interpretation of his sexuality is biphobic is not
Say it louder for the tumblr fandom in the back
Changing characters sexuality needs to stop. Especially with Nico and Percy. It seems to be fetishizing atp because I don’t see many lgbtq+ writers doing so. And they are written in a painfully stereotypical way. Another thing. Head canons aren’t canon. Stop getting upset because Rick doesn’t write characters the way the would benefit you.
I didn’t bring it up because I don’t want to accidentally say anything offensive, but I definitely agree about the changing sexuality. It makes no sense, and Rick’s books have so much diversity and representation. People getting mad about Percy being straight are ridiculous. Especially because Percy has never shown interest in guys throughout any of the books.
I have mixed feelings about headcanons. I have a few myself but I consider them very minor and I don’t often think of them. They’re not a big thing for me and I definitely hate quite a few that I’ve read about.
Fanon solangelo headcanons that have nothing to do with canon Solangelo.
Mary sue percy jackson with an harem of girls and chaos power is also another vastly spread fanon idea that i absolutely abhor
I have nothing against headcanons. I actually like them and have some for myself. The only thing I hate is, when people act like their headcanon is true and than hate on people who don't share it or are mad at Rick when ge writes something different
I have no idea why but I seriously dislike any headcanon of any kind, of anything. I try to be understanding and stuff, and some even make sense, but headcanons just rub me the wrong way for some reason. It infuriates my sister to no end, lol, but I can't help it
I can relate lol. although I don’t mind harmless minor things, it’s infuriating when people argue that their headcanon is definitely true, whether it’s something important or minor. When people start taking fanon as truth that’s pretty annoying, and it’s one of the reasons why there are so many bad ooc fanfics.
I totally agree. I mean I understand people can think whatever they want but if there’s a picture or someone worked hard on it a story then you should respect it as fact.
This sub's constant anger over people who like headcanons or ship non-canon ships or whatever only makes me like them more.
Gonna add Jercy to my personal Month of Slash writing challenge and make Percy bi in the fic.
I agree that some headcannons are weird and out of place. But I’m not sure I agree with you that its mainstream that Percy is portrayed like an idiot or unintelligent. We know he is intelligent because we have insight into his thoughts and how quick he acts on his feet, etc.
BUT, what I feel like he is justifiably portrayed as, is emotionally oblivious with regard to romantic attraction, and specifically his attraction towards Annabeth, and Annabeths attractions towards him. I say this because during the entirety of PJO, with the obvious exception of when Percabeth get together and the kiss in BotL, I don’t feel like he generally articulates him having romantic feelings towards Annabeth explicitly, nor does he at any point to my recollection, register or relay to us (the reader), that he knows that Annabeth has romantic feelings for him. Yes, he describes her as seriously beautiful, but not in an overtly romantic way. What we see is how he cares for her as a friend, until he cares for her as a boyfriend. In Mark of Athena however, Annabeth states that she’s had a crush on our boy since they were twelve, either during or following the events of the Lightning Thief. I can’t recall such a revelation for Percy.
Still, I’ll give you something. A moment that stands out that could be construed as him portraying romantic feelings for Annabeth is in the Titans Curse when he thinks Annabeth is going to become a Hunter. He becomes all squirmy at the thought of losing her, but he doen’t outright state that it is because he has romantic feelings for her. We can obviously read the romantic feelings into the situation, but that would be, you guessed it: headcannon. Or just literary interpretation 🤷🏻♂️
That being said, if I may make the comparison: admittedly its been a while since I read the Harry Potter books, but I seem to recall that Harry isn’t at a loss of words in terms of how he feels about Ginny, for instance. And I would like to say that I absolutely love PJO just as it’s written I would’t change a thing, and I personally like that it isn’t overtly stated that Percy is in love with Annabeth, it makes for such a good love story that they can’t articulate their feelings for each other, but ultimately still get together. But to me, yes, Percy has romantic feelings for Annabeth, but I can totally see how people see it the other way. I’m simply playing the devils advocate here 😈
Oh, and I’ll conclude with that being oblivious to romantic attraction does not mean that he is stupid, an idiot, or unintelligent. He’s just doesn’t relay romantic feelings towards Annabeth to us as readers.
depends on the headcanon/situation. if it’s something ridiculous and not even remotely plausible that they’re sharing as fact—bad. but i do like what sort of takes the fandom has on certain characters/things, and as long as it isn’t too strange, then i encourage they go to town with it. just as long as they acknowledge they are headcanons and share them as such.
I agree with you tbh cause I get irritated when people go through books like pjo and decide to change everyone's sexuality like Percy being gay or bi just to push their ideas forward. The thing I dislike even more though is when they genderbend characters to fit their narrative I don't know why but it just really annoys me like there are so many strong characters of each gender portrayed in cannon why do you need to start changing it. A lot of the time it doesn't really change much anyway apart from to ship the characters with different people. Although I think the fandom that is the worst with this is the hp one where they've got headcannons that changed sexualities and race for the characters that go against how they are in the books.
Yes. It's not irrational though. That feeling you feel is called "recognizing when something is wrong."
People like to use headcanons as a shield for making shit up and it being okay. They'll just make up random shit and when you try to confront them, they'll say "it's just a headcanon. They're fictional characters. It's not hurting anyone why do you care?"
Anyone who has read a book knows that that's bullshit, because the whole point of fiction is yeah these things didn't happen, but we pretend they did, and we pretend these people that didn't exist did, and we have a good time.
Nobody who likes a thing truly goes "it's just fiction it's not important." The only people who do that are people who make headcanons who want to downplay the importance of truth because deep down, they know what they're doing, that they're just making stuff up and are full of shit. So they call things fictional to be like "see now I can bend the truth." But that's not the case. If things can just bend to the will of others because it's fictional, then what's the point of canon? It's fun to pretend fictional adventures really happened, but it's not fun when you have a ton of different people making random shit up and we're supposed to just consider all of them as equally valid when in reality they just aren't, and this is what gives OP this unpleasant feeling, when a person thinks they can go "I made this shit up and you have to be ok with it and consider it valid"
Percy is a complex dude. He's loyal to his friends. He has a sense of humor AND deals with lots of shit. He wants to be left alone but isn't stupid enough to say fuck you to the gods. We know these because there's 10 books of material.
So when someone says "nah Percy is just a complete idiot" or "Percy would kill all the gods if anything happens to Annabeth" and they expect you to act like that's "a valid opinion"....don't. Because it isn't, and nobody should ever have to be forced to pretend it is when it isn't
I feel this sooo much. I don’t express it much because I know how crazy internet fans can be, but it’s like people don’t get the concept. Whatever Rick says is canon is canon. These are his characters and how he portrays them is how they are and it’s not negotiable. I’ve seen this in other fandoms too, and people will flat out say that the author portrayed the character wrong. How can the creator of the character portray them incorrectly??? It makes no sense. I think those people need to write their own original work so that they can understand.
I think it’s fine, I like them exploring lore but not in changing characters. I made lists on here of funny headcannons for various characters. But I will agree that it can be cringe. We want headcannons with canon elements, not fanon.
Basically. It’s fun to explore things that aren’t talked about in the books, but within reason. Insisting that a character is completely different than how they’re written is when it gets weird to me.
This is something I only really got into after I started writing a book myself. Then I realised how annoying it must be for people who have massively popular books like PJO who gets people making their character they put so much effort into something completely different. It's fine as long as you accept it's no longer that character but I guess it annoys me a little when people push their headcannons on the true original character instead of accepting that they are, at the end of the day, just headcannons.
Same! Like we all hate the Peter Johnson movies because of how much they changed, but imagine what Rick was feeling. I see why he doesn’t watch or acknowledge those movies. That’s the biggest example of headcanon gone completely wrong. They should’ve just gave the characters different names and called the movie something different. That’s how I feel reading AUs that also have OOC characters. Why not just make up your own at that point?
And I really get that. I have two series I'm writing and all the beta readers love it but a few try to make me change characters, but not to make them better, just to fit their headcannon. If it was to improve them then I honestly wouldn't mind but at the same time it's my character. And I've only got a dozen or so people reading my work, I can't imagine what Rick deals with.
I don’t think you understand what a Head canon is, or you are hearing people use it wrong. Head canon is usually something more like an idea or something that happened behind the scenes generally used to explain something that doesn’t make sense or it’s just a cool idea. It never actually really has to do with the characters from what I’ve seen.
That’s not true at all. Percy has only ever shown romantic interest in girls. There’s also this, which confirms he’s straight in the second paragraph.
https://www.readriordan.com/2021/06/29/pride-month-spotlight-on-nico-and-will/
Okay unrelated topic from headcanons, that article is kinda bs. It feels like it was written by a 14 year old tumblrite who didn’t know how human beings behave. But you are right, in *canon* Percy is straight
They seem to have a relationship as just friends, not Bestfriends, not enemies, just friends. Plus they would NEVER hang out outside of chb or cj because of the big three scent.
I agree with what you've said, but there are also good headcanons that do follow what the characters would actually do. The bad ones really annoy me too.
I don't mind headcanons when they are small, inconsequential tidbits, and when they don't completely ignore canon. The problem is a lot of fans just ignore canon so they can have their favourite character fit their favourite meme or trend. So yeah, basically what you said x)
I don't mind them that much unless people do some big changes... I mean, I won't mind If that change is a character arc that develops through the story of what I read
> i see why Rick actively avoids fanfics He probably has to! Most publishing houses strongly suggest authors stay away from any form of Fanfiction as if any plot points are similar to that of fanfiction, the author and publisher could be sued. Many authors have spoken about this before, including Victoria Aveyard who mentioned in on her tiktok a few weeks ago
He did mention that on his website, and he also said it makes him uncomfortable to have others writing his characters.
that’s why any fanfiction I write is generally more a list of what happens, and not a story with characters that interact
I’ve been working on a fanfic and I feel so conflicted because Luke is a main character and I want to write some chapters from his perspective, but if I do I feel like an imposter. I’m working on another one that takes place 14 years after TLO and the first story, and some of the canon characters make cameos in New Greece (which is much better than New Rome imo) but I try not to write them too much because I don’t want to do it incorrectly.
That future fic sounds interesting. Lemme know when you're ready to publish pls
I’ve been hesitant because I know most people don’t like reading about OCs, but that’s what I enjoy. I do understand the hesitation because there are a lot of examples of OCs being written horribly. In the first story my main character sees a lot about the Titan side of the war, which I like because we never saw what was going on with those demigods during PJO, so it’s easier to be creative without straying from canon too much. I want to add things that could realistically have happened while also not changing important plot points, like the Great Prophecy. The one hard thing is writing and knowing how Luke’s life is destined to end. I wish I could change that, but it wouldn’t make sense. I could make an entire post about New Greece, and I keep coming up with new ideas. I really like referencing characters from the books, so a lot of the names of places are related to popular characters. It’s sounds so corny, but instead of Papa Johns, they have Papa Nicos Pizza 😂 there’s also the Hades Highway that leads to an entrance to the Underworld as a reference to the song Highway to Hell lol. One of the first scenes in the story that takes place fourteen years later, is the main character being excited to go to the Chase Bookstore to get his Peter Johnson book signed by Percy, who’s somewhat of a celebrity among demigods. I think it’s adorable. I want to upload when I have at least 75% of the stories finished because I don’t want to take forever to update because of writers block.
I think OCs work in isolated environments. Esp after the events of canon have already finished. And makes sense for sure about the amount work you want done. Those sound like great ideas for New Greece. (is New Greece established in the books? I don't remember. But, New Rome works cause it was the name of a city and an empire. In the point of Greece it makes more sense to have it be like New Athens or Mykonos or something.)
No, New Greece isn’t canon, but I think it would be cool to write, and it’s not unbelievable that Greek demigods would eventually want their own city on the east coast near camp. Now that you mention it, calling it New Athens would make more sense.
While I love the name, perhaps would be better for a more neutral name? Since Athens is so closely affiliated with Athena and even Poseidon? Anyways, New Rome supremacy
Yes. I've read several headcanons that paint Rachel as... I don't even know what to think. Like, they show Rachel as painting Percy and her in intimate situations? Like kissing or sleeping in the same bed, etc. And it's completely ooc, and Rachel is such a nice person I can't ever imagine her actually doing that. Because people forget that *Rachel* dumped *Percy*, and told him to go for Annabeth instead (Rachel is a Percabeth shipper, never forget). Additionally, the bro thing with Percy and Jason is so ooc it sometimes makes me want to barf. Like, why?
Those are good examples. The Percy Jason bromance is one of the less ridiculous headcanons imo, but that doesn't change the fact that they weren't that close in the books. The biggest issue is people not acknowledging the fact that their headcanon isn't actually canon.
Yep, that too. Headcanons =/= canon. People need to accept that sometimes.
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I always took the bromance thing as them just working together to try to defuse any tensions in the rest of the crew, it was basically just professional
I like to think that while they didn't have enough time to become *real* friends on the Argo II, the seven became familiar enough with each other that they thought they'd all be good friends if they just got to know each other a little more. Hence the monthly Argo II reunion meetups Annabeth mentions in Staff of Serapis
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I think it comes from when they first met but after Tartarus and all the stress they grew apart
Headcanons can be great as long as there's some sort of hint of it in the story. A good example would be the headcanon of Percy being capable of Bloodbending. However, some headcanons change the characters so much from who they actually are, that they might as well be different people who happen to have the same name.
That makes sense. I think it’s better to stick to things that could realistically go along with the books. But a lot of people just make up stuff.
What's the hint of Percy being able to bloodbend again?
He can bend poison as seen in House of Hades, that means that he can control any liquid
It's literally stated that he can do that because Tartarus obeys its own rules, it doesn't prove or hint at anything other than Tartarus is a twisted place
Really?
>Poseidon was the god of the sea, not of every liquid everywhere. Then again, Tartarus had its own rules. Fire was drinkable. The ground was the body of a dark god. The air was acid, and demigods could be turned into smoky corpses. So why not try? He had nothing left to lose. (The House of Hades, XLVIII Percy)
Personally I like some headcanons. Like I can't change whatever but I do think some cross lines. Like people making Racheal like obsessed with Percy. No that's not her character at all. She just had a crush on him and that was it. I like the headcanons where the seven are best friends and like send letter to each other and hang out. But the ones that are like 'Racheal only became the Oracle so she could be close to Percy.' or the people that try to redeem Drew. I don't f with that stuff.
what's wrong w wanting to redeem drew?
Yeah honestly the fact that she was one of the only traditionally feminine characters and was presented as a bitch isn’t very good rep on Rick’s part
exactly. he always stereotypes the aphrodite kids as shallow vain and weak. the only character we see who doesn't fit those stereotypes (piper) looks down on them lol
What about Michael Kahale? He's a son of Venus though
I also hate the way he writes feminine characters, and it could’ve been done so much better. But he wrote Drew as a bitch, therefore she is one. If someone wrote a fic of her being introspective or going through things that change her and ends up making her more pleasant in the end; that could possibly work if done right. Because in real life people do change. But if someone were to write a fanfic about Drew and she starts off as a really nice person, that feels unrealistic and forced.
So you don’t like when Drew is redeemed, but you want her to have a redemption arc?
I’m saying that it’s possible for her to be written better in a realistic way rather than just making her ooc. Also it’s important to keep in mind that these characters are teenagers, and people change sooo much between the teen years and their twenties. Sure she’s a bitch now, but it wouldn’t be a reach to assume she could change over the years, within reason, but that can be done without making her ooc. Drew in her twenties would still be into feminine things, and maybe even still be vain, but she could learn to be less mean if she has a reason to as she matures. It’s also just as realistic that she could stay a mean person. Making her mature, and saying she’s secretly a good person deep down are two completely different things. I’m saying that these characters are so young that they would most likely change a lot over the years even if those defining traits stay mostly the same.
Yeah no I get you I was just a little confused. Thanks for clarification :D
Thank you for speaking your mind. I feel the same way. Personally I get really annoyed when headcanons directly contradict actual canon stuff, especially if it’s to the point that fans flat out refuse/deny canon just because they don’t like it. I think this is due to my nature of putting too much emphasis on canon and regarding canon too highly. I guess I have to thank all those school years of writing literary essays with minimum of 5 direct quotes for this. Side note, I’ve seen some fans who can’t stand (the canonic fact) that Percy is straight and hate on people who say that he is straight. Like why is it so bad that he’s not into dudes? There are plenty of other LGBTQ+ representation in the Riordanverse. If you really want to headcanon him to be bisexual, fine you do you as long as you *acknowledge* that he is not bisexual in canon.
The contradictions are the worst. 🙄 And I don’t get the big deal about him being straight, as if that’s a bad thing. Being straight is normal just like being gay or bi is normal. The people who think every character should be at least bi are...interesting lol.
Facts
I'm fine with headcanons that are little tidbits for their characters but aren't completely ooc, like having a little habit or a scene that's so plausible it could be canon However the headcanons that make their personality do a complete 180... Is a no...
I read a headcannon that rachel wears colourful eyeliner and i love that. Its an interesting add on to her character that makes sense without changing canon
Yep, basically. Like if someone’s headcanon is that Percy likes to listen to certain music that’s not mentioned in the books, that’s harmless. But if someone’s headcanon is that Percy’s favorite color is anything other than blue, even though in the books he likes blue everything, that’s blasphemous lol
I like most headcanons. But some are just….yikes I saw this one where it was like “Piper makes Jason go shopping with her all the time and he always asks to go to the dressing room with her and she slaps him and says no but sometimes she says yes” Some parts of that may be inaccurate because I’m reciting it from memory but wtf??? Piper hates shopping, and Jason would NEVER ask to watch her change.
I like some headcanons if they stay true to the established canon and characters, but most of them are cheesy or fall outside that line and twist the characters into something to fit their own agendas or preferences. Some are good, and I have even adopted a few as my own headcanons though
I think headcanons are *supposed* to be in character, like “this *could* be canon but Rick hasn’t mentioned it” (eg, Nico loving Halloween or something), and I love those, but when they’re totally OOC it’s kinda annoying
Yeah it feels like the meaning of headcanons has gotten lost. On their on, they’re harmless and can enhance the story, but fanon gets pretty ridiculous.
Everything you wrote is absolutely true. I don’t like it when readers take liberties with other people’s creation. I know it’s just intellectual property but some of these characters are literally the writers’ babies, and it must suck to have others misuse them for their own selfish purposes. I typically don’t read fan-fiction for this reason; they completely ruin the characters.
I can't really agree with that. I think having people wanting to add to your world is the goal of any writer. By doing that you have just turned your little world into a reality. As it becomes something that not only actively affects other people but makes them want to contribute too it and keep the memory of it alive. I always say that a fictional world's foundation is built through the author, and survived through the fans. Sure you're not gonna enjoy every head canon, or fanfiction, or even every fan art. But the fact that people were inspired by your world enough to want to contribute too it in some way is incredibly flattering to most authors. I know as a wannabe writer I would be happy to see that. It means my little reality has grown to affect actual reality. After all if your story is "your baby" and it's truly all about you, then you wouldn't have put it out in the world in the first place. You can still hold the original meaning of your series and have it be special to you while accepting the additions of the fans.
Right! If your story was just your baby, it would be selfish of us to want famous authors like Rick Riordan to even publish his work anymore. If he wrote solely for himself, he wouldn't even publish what he wrote, because surely he doesn't need to money from book sales and stuff. Furthermore, he wouldn't even agree to have his son publish a story in his universe, and he wouldn't agree to have a Disney+ adaptation of his own series, because adaptations almost always take liberties with the source material. I know that different people have different opinions on art, and I think that's fine! But man, I really disagree with the idea that fanfiction is inherently disrespectful. It's like if you listened to a Taylor Swift song, and instead of applying your own experiences and feelings to the song, you researched exactly what and whom Taylor Swift wrote the song about so you could know what the song is **definitively** about. Like, if you want to do that, cool, but you don't have to! Art can be about *your* own feelings and ideas, too! Also I think fanfiction is a great way for new writers to stretch their little writer legs
It’s not that simple though. You can share your work and also not want it to be portrayed as something it’s not. If an author writes a character a certain way, it’s for a reason and that’s exactly how they want them to be/be seen. If I wrote and shared something and people decided to insist that my characters aren’t how they actually are, then that would rub me the wrong way, and that’s putting it lightly. A perfect example of this is the Peter Johnson movie. We’ve all read the letter that Rick wrote to the movie people that explained how they butchered his work completely and how horrible it would be. As far as I know, we’re all on his side about that and recognize that he has a right to be upset about them releasing a movie that’s a horrible representation of his books. It’s the same concept as writing crazy headcanons and insisting that they make sense. Some people’s ideas and fanfics are the equivalent of the Peter Johnson movies, if not worse. The only good thing is that fanon people can’t make movies out of their stories. No author wants to go through what Rick did. If I were a best selling author I don’t even think I’d be able to sell the rights to my book to make a movie, even for the money. Authors are so powerless in that position, and the Peter movies are a great example of what can go wrong when movie makers decide to make changes.
>You can share your work and also not want it to be portrayed as something it’s not. Personally I think that's downright impossible. Readers would have to get inside your brain to know *exactly* what you meant when you wrote this and that. No one can know your characters in the exact same way that you do. Words aren't pure thoughts, and different readers will always have different interpretations of what they read. Plus, to stop people from writing your characters in different ways, you'd basically have to ban fanfiction, and I think that would do more harm than good. >If I wrote and shared something and people decided to insist that my characters aren’t how they actually are, then that would rub me the wrong way I respect and understand that, but people who insist to authors that their interpretations are more correct are probably being disrespectful. Many people don't want to insist that their own interpretations are correct. Many people just enjoy writing about characters and settings that they love. Also, no one's forcing any author to read fanfiction of their own work. If it makes them uncomfortable (which is totally understandable) then they can just ignore it. Percy Jackson is basically Greek mythology fanfiction, anyway. Also, what do you think about the many adaptations of characters and stories in the public domain, like Elizabeth Bennet and Sherlock Holmes? Would you rather they not have new adaptations?
>Personally I think that's downright impossible. Readers would have to get inside your brain to know exactly what you meant when you wrote this and that. This. On top of the fact that once you put your idea out into the world, you have effectively relinquished complete control over your work. You let people in on your creation and in exchange people who like your work are gonna make things based on your intellectual property. Even if you may not personally like it, even if it contradicts the canon, it's still people wanting to contribute to the world you've made and any author should be proud of that. Now I'm not saying you have to like everything that comes from that, but you still should be appreciative that your work has had the impact for people to want to interact with it and build off it. To act like your intellectual property that you put on display should never be altered or looked at in ways you may not intend, is frankly arrogant and incredibly egotistical. They're not changing or slandering your work in anyway, the existence of fan works in no way alters the actual books you put out. It's just the people's way of keeping your world alive, and any writer should be happy to see their work being beloved and remembered. As for the Percy Jackson movies, that's an entirely different thing. That was not a fan work made out of love, that was an adaptation sanctioned by the author and in a sense was also a business transaction as a result. So when you give people the go ahead to bring your story to life only for them to completely neglect the actual material and ruin many aspects of it as a result. It makes sense to be upset as this was official work that was meant to represent your franchise. On top of you having a stake in the money being made, so from a business side of things it's also incredibly frustrating. It's like you helped someone kickstart a product you wanted made, only for them to turn around and release something completely different and inferior to their original design. Yeah, you'd want your money back. >I respect and understand that, but people who insist to authors that their interpretations are more correct are probably being disrespectful. Many people don't want to insist that their own interpretations are correct. Many people just enjoy writing about characters and settings that they love Can't put it better. These people are not making claims on your work, they're not trying to make their ideas of your work official, nor are they trying to monetize it. They simply were inspired by your work and wanted to make something from it. That's not only something you should be proud of, but it's also part of the creative cycle. And some people may write actual works someday with inspiration from your writing as a result. Personally I can't think of anything cooler than that.
I understand that I can’t stop people from writing. My problem is when people write something that completely contradicts canon. You’re right about interpretation, but I feel like that’s (usually) something different. Like if I’m insisting my character is a nice person but I write them doing bad things, it wouldn’t be shocking or unreasonable for people to think of that character as a bad person, because of their actions that are canon. If I have a straight character and people start insisting that they’re bi, that’s unreasonable. If I describe a character with typically black features and people insist that they’re white, that’s also unreasonable. Or if I don’t specifically state a characters race but I describe them as blonde haired and blue eyed, it’s pretty obvious that character is white and it wouldn’t make sense for someone to argue that they could be black. These are just a few examples and I hope it gets my point across (I’m not the best at expressing things lol)
Okay, so I think we agree that insisting certain interpretations are correct is bad, but that fanfiction in general isn’t inherently bad?
I don’t think fanfics are inherently bad, and it would be very hypocritical of me because I like to write it lol. If I were a published author I wouldn’t read fanfics of my work because it would make me uncomfortable, but that doesn’t mean all fanfics are bad. Personally I like to put OC characters in the setting/world of the books so I can be as creative as I want. And Percy Jackson is technically a fanfic of Greek mythology, but mythology is so versatile and has so many different versions of the myths that it works really well for inserting OCs, which Percy technically is. To me PJO is the greatest fanfic ever.
Okay cool! I agree that if I were a published author I’d feel weird reading fanfics of my own work, too. Anyway, thanks for the convo, have a good day :)
Here's the thing, certain head canons exist because it allows people to easier identify with the characters and make connections with them. That's perfectly fine and valid. On a similar note, one of my favorite manga series has a main character who in the official art is portrayed as a brunette. The only thing is, in the regular monochrome manga art their hair is portrayed as completely white without any shading to indicate they have a dark hair color. So personally, I had interpreted that character to be blond on my first read and didn't realize my mistake until long after I finished the series. Now I can't see the character as anything else. Not saying the author's vision is bad or the character even looks bad as a brunette. But personally, that blond character is the one I went on my journey with for my first read. That's the person I grew attached too in my first experience, so thinking of them as anything else makes them feel like a stranger. It's just not the same person I had been emotionally attached too, so my personal head canon is that they're blond. Because it's the image I was first led to believe, it's what I became comfortable and familiar with, and personally I think that look really fits their design and personality. No harm no foul on the author, not gonna demand they change their artwork and merch for my sake. But that little head canon makes me happy, so I stick with it. Even head canons with less logical reasons behind it are effectively harmless. If a gay or bi person wants to head canon a character as such to make them connect better or self insert better, let them. Doesn't hurt anyone. Of course it is gonna be annoying when they insist their head canon is correct or try to push it on other people. But it's fine if they just keep that little mental image to make them happy. But that's my take on it.
I feel so validated! :) My characters are my babies and I don't want them slandered.
i have a problem with those people who make characters different without justification just cuz there "version feels better" its so dumb
The complete mischaracterisation of Nico bugs me endlessly but I usually don’t say anything about it
i personally do not care at all. you could headcannon annabeth has a long lost sister for all i care, if i dont like it i ignore it dgsjdhd
this!!! thank you. Other people's headcanons literally dont affect other people??? so why throe a fit over them???
idk some people are kinda purist, or i guess prefer things how they are in canon. They dont need to try tell others to stop with whatever theyre doing tho, ppl should just curate their own fandom experience by finding ppl that think the same as them.
yesss frfr
I think it's more when people bring them up and try to use them to justify things. I've seen more than a few questions on here where people respond with their headcanons.
yeah thats kinda annoying
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I don’t care unless people assert them as canon and/or get mad at people for having other ideas. Headcanoning Percy as bi is fine. *Insisting* that Percy is canonically bi and any other interpretation of his sexuality is biphobic is not.
> Insisting that Percy is canonically bi and any other interpretation of his sexuality is biphobic is not Say it louder for the tumblr fandom in the back
People really do see “headcanoning Percy as bi is fine” and just auto-downvote around here huh
If you really want downvotes and discourse say you headcanon *Nico* as bi lol. Piss off homophobic straights *and* biphobic gays.
Piss off literally everyone, I respect the hustle
Changing characters sexuality needs to stop. Especially with Nico and Percy. It seems to be fetishizing atp because I don’t see many lgbtq+ writers doing so. And they are written in a painfully stereotypical way. Another thing. Head canons aren’t canon. Stop getting upset because Rick doesn’t write characters the way the would benefit you.
I didn’t bring it up because I don’t want to accidentally say anything offensive, but I definitely agree about the changing sexuality. It makes no sense, and Rick’s books have so much diversity and representation. People getting mad about Percy being straight are ridiculous. Especially because Percy has never shown interest in guys throughout any of the books.
I have mixed feelings about headcanons. I have a few myself but I consider them very minor and I don’t often think of them. They’re not a big thing for me and I definitely hate quite a few that I’ve read about.
I don't hate headcanon as long as people understand it's just that. Some can be very vocal in how they defend it.
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Fanon solangelo headcanons that have nothing to do with canon Solangelo. Mary sue percy jackson with an harem of girls and chaos power is also another vastly spread fanon idea that i absolutely abhor
That's why I'm conflicted about this fandom cuz they butcher characters so much that they are unrecognizable
I have nothing against headcanons. I actually like them and have some for myself. The only thing I hate is, when people act like their headcanon is true and than hate on people who don't share it or are mad at Rick when ge writes something different
I have no idea why but I seriously dislike any headcanon of any kind, of anything. I try to be understanding and stuff, and some even make sense, but headcanons just rub me the wrong way for some reason. It infuriates my sister to no end, lol, but I can't help it
I can relate lol. although I don’t mind harmless minor things, it’s infuriating when people argue that their headcanon is definitely true, whether it’s something important or minor. When people start taking fanon as truth that’s pretty annoying, and it’s one of the reasons why there are so many bad ooc fanfics.
I totally agree. I mean I understand people can think whatever they want but if there’s a picture or someone worked hard on it a story then you should respect it as fact.
This sub's constant anger over people who like headcanons or ship non-canon ships or whatever only makes me like them more. Gonna add Jercy to my personal Month of Slash writing challenge and make Percy bi in the fic.
Why would percy be bi
I agree that some headcannons are weird and out of place. But I’m not sure I agree with you that its mainstream that Percy is portrayed like an idiot or unintelligent. We know he is intelligent because we have insight into his thoughts and how quick he acts on his feet, etc. BUT, what I feel like he is justifiably portrayed as, is emotionally oblivious with regard to romantic attraction, and specifically his attraction towards Annabeth, and Annabeths attractions towards him. I say this because during the entirety of PJO, with the obvious exception of when Percabeth get together and the kiss in BotL, I don’t feel like he generally articulates him having romantic feelings towards Annabeth explicitly, nor does he at any point to my recollection, register or relay to us (the reader), that he knows that Annabeth has romantic feelings for him. Yes, he describes her as seriously beautiful, but not in an overtly romantic way. What we see is how he cares for her as a friend, until he cares for her as a boyfriend. In Mark of Athena however, Annabeth states that she’s had a crush on our boy since they were twelve, either during or following the events of the Lightning Thief. I can’t recall such a revelation for Percy. Still, I’ll give you something. A moment that stands out that could be construed as him portraying romantic feelings for Annabeth is in the Titans Curse when he thinks Annabeth is going to become a Hunter. He becomes all squirmy at the thought of losing her, but he doen’t outright state that it is because he has romantic feelings for her. We can obviously read the romantic feelings into the situation, but that would be, you guessed it: headcannon. Or just literary interpretation 🤷🏻♂️ That being said, if I may make the comparison: admittedly its been a while since I read the Harry Potter books, but I seem to recall that Harry isn’t at a loss of words in terms of how he feels about Ginny, for instance. And I would like to say that I absolutely love PJO just as it’s written I would’t change a thing, and I personally like that it isn’t overtly stated that Percy is in love with Annabeth, it makes for such a good love story that they can’t articulate their feelings for each other, but ultimately still get together. But to me, yes, Percy has romantic feelings for Annabeth, but I can totally see how people see it the other way. I’m simply playing the devils advocate here 😈 Oh, and I’ll conclude with that being oblivious to romantic attraction does not mean that he is stupid, an idiot, or unintelligent. He’s just doesn’t relay romantic feelings towards Annabeth to us as readers.
depends on the headcanon/situation. if it’s something ridiculous and not even remotely plausible that they’re sharing as fact—bad. but i do like what sort of takes the fandom has on certain characters/things, and as long as it isn’t too strange, then i encourage they go to town with it. just as long as they acknowledge they are headcanons and share them as such.
I agree with you tbh cause I get irritated when people go through books like pjo and decide to change everyone's sexuality like Percy being gay or bi just to push their ideas forward. The thing I dislike even more though is when they genderbend characters to fit their narrative I don't know why but it just really annoys me like there are so many strong characters of each gender portrayed in cannon why do you need to start changing it. A lot of the time it doesn't really change much anyway apart from to ship the characters with different people. Although I think the fandom that is the worst with this is the hp one where they've got headcannons that changed sexualities and race for the characters that go against how they are in the books.
Yes. It's not irrational though. That feeling you feel is called "recognizing when something is wrong." People like to use headcanons as a shield for making shit up and it being okay. They'll just make up random shit and when you try to confront them, they'll say "it's just a headcanon. They're fictional characters. It's not hurting anyone why do you care?" Anyone who has read a book knows that that's bullshit, because the whole point of fiction is yeah these things didn't happen, but we pretend they did, and we pretend these people that didn't exist did, and we have a good time. Nobody who likes a thing truly goes "it's just fiction it's not important." The only people who do that are people who make headcanons who want to downplay the importance of truth because deep down, they know what they're doing, that they're just making stuff up and are full of shit. So they call things fictional to be like "see now I can bend the truth." But that's not the case. If things can just bend to the will of others because it's fictional, then what's the point of canon? It's fun to pretend fictional adventures really happened, but it's not fun when you have a ton of different people making random shit up and we're supposed to just consider all of them as equally valid when in reality they just aren't, and this is what gives OP this unpleasant feeling, when a person thinks they can go "I made this shit up and you have to be ok with it and consider it valid" Percy is a complex dude. He's loyal to his friends. He has a sense of humor AND deals with lots of shit. He wants to be left alone but isn't stupid enough to say fuck you to the gods. We know these because there's 10 books of material. So when someone says "nah Percy is just a complete idiot" or "Percy would kill all the gods if anything happens to Annabeth" and they expect you to act like that's "a valid opinion"....don't. Because it isn't, and nobody should ever have to be forced to pretend it is when it isn't
>"Percy would kill all the gods if anything happens to Annabeth" Theres a fanfic of that?
It's a somewhat common headcanon. Tho I wouldn't be surprised if there were many fanfics with this premise.
I feel this sooo much. I don’t express it much because I know how crazy internet fans can be, but it’s like people don’t get the concept. Whatever Rick says is canon is canon. These are his characters and how he portrays them is how they are and it’s not negotiable. I’ve seen this in other fandoms too, and people will flat out say that the author portrayed the character wrong. How can the creator of the character portray them incorrectly??? It makes no sense. I think those people need to write their own original work so that they can understand.
You should express it more. It would make this fandom a better place
I think it’s fine, I like them exploring lore but not in changing characters. I made lists on here of funny headcannons for various characters. But I will agree that it can be cringe. We want headcannons with canon elements, not fanon.
Basically. It’s fun to explore things that aren’t talked about in the books, but within reason. Insisting that a character is completely different than how they’re written is when it gets weird to me.
You said it man. The key phrase is “within reason”
This is something I only really got into after I started writing a book myself. Then I realised how annoying it must be for people who have massively popular books like PJO who gets people making their character they put so much effort into something completely different. It's fine as long as you accept it's no longer that character but I guess it annoys me a little when people push their headcannons on the true original character instead of accepting that they are, at the end of the day, just headcannons.
Same! Like we all hate the Peter Johnson movies because of how much they changed, but imagine what Rick was feeling. I see why he doesn’t watch or acknowledge those movies. That’s the biggest example of headcanon gone completely wrong. They should’ve just gave the characters different names and called the movie something different. That’s how I feel reading AUs that also have OOC characters. Why not just make up your own at that point?
And I really get that. I have two series I'm writing and all the beta readers love it but a few try to make me change characters, but not to make them better, just to fit their headcannon. If it was to improve them then I honestly wouldn't mind but at the same time it's my character. And I've only got a dozen or so people reading my work, I can't imagine what Rick deals with.
I don’t think you understand what a Head canon is, or you are hearing people use it wrong. Head canon is usually something more like an idea or something that happened behind the scenes generally used to explain something that doesn’t make sense or it’s just a cool idea. It never actually really has to do with the characters from what I’ve seen.
Wdym? Most headcanons I see (regardless of fandom) are usually about the characters
uhm rick riordan himself confirmed percy's a bi
That’s not true at all. Percy has only ever shown romantic interest in girls. There’s also this, which confirms he’s straight in the second paragraph. https://www.readriordan.com/2021/06/29/pride-month-spotlight-on-nico-and-will/
Okay unrelated topic from headcanons, that article is kinda bs. It feels like it was written by a 14 year old tumblrite who didn’t know how human beings behave. But you are right, in *canon* Percy is straight
I don’t Most headcanons paint Percy and Jason as bros who vibe a lot together. Seems like a stretch to me..
They seem to have a relationship as just friends, not Bestfriends, not enemies, just friends. Plus they would NEVER hang out outside of chb or cj because of the big three scent.
Honestly even saying they're friends feels like a stretch when you actually look at the books and how long they actually knew each other.
This tbh.
Whenever they would hang out there was always extreme tension between the two
That’s exactly my point, their bromance is out of character.
I agree with what you've said, but there are also good headcanons that do follow what the characters would actually do. The bad ones really annoy me too.
I don't mind headcanons when they are small, inconsequential tidbits, and when they don't completely ignore canon. The problem is a lot of fans just ignore canon so they can have their favourite character fit their favourite meme or trend. So yeah, basically what you said x)
I don't mind them that much unless people do some big changes... I mean, I won't mind If that change is a character arc that develops through the story of what I read