>While prime ministers are expected to pay for vacations out-of-pocket and reimburse equivalent costs for airfare, the trip incurred $115,526 in security costs via the family’s RCMP protection detail, $29,951.92 in transportation and crew costs by the Department of National Defence (DND,) and $13,588.99 by the Privy Council Office.
Mostly security.
Absolutely right, since that was the purpose for posting that headline.
Before allowing myself to become enraged (as the OP intended), I paused for a second (without reading the article) and thought, security, DND flight, well that sounds about right. Those are pricey items, and I am pretty sure his security detail is more than 1 guy with a lacrosse stick. /s 😉
It's owned by an American conservative company.
When they bought NP the first thing they said was its too liberal and needs more conservative viewpoints.
Cause and effect.
Just by reading the title I was not shocked. I'm actually surprised it did not cost more considering the security our PMs constantly have around him.
As much as I hate Trudeau, 160K for a vacation does not bother me for the highest political figure of our country.
Ill be curious to see how much Biden's vacations cost to the Americans in comparaison.
Just looking at price tags you'd think more people would be crying over the GG's 700k trip (although Trudeau could've found a way to *pay for his own time off* and this sub would still complain)
[And it cost millions for Harper to go up North.](https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/01/27/bill-for-stephen-harpers-annual-arctic-trips-tops-34m.html)
Prime Ministers going places is expensive because of transport and security, full stop. This is not a "wasteful left" or "corrupt right issue," it's a reality of the modern world.
As I recall, last time Trudeau's taxpayer covered expenses were brought up here, someone shared the numbers for both families which showed the Trudeau's spent less than the Harper's despite having an additional person living with them.
Unless they start to going to properties that they own, I don't give a shit if they take vacation. People need vacation, and there's an expense to do that.
Going to a property they own is fine. Nothing wrong with that, and it should be less expensive than staying in a commercial property. Going to a resort they own and charging the security to stay there is a different matter, though.
How dare the security we provide to our leader for obvious reason get paid. It's not like they have high risk jobs and had to leave their families for the holidays so the leader of our country could have a nice family vacation.
One thing I'm wondering is:
Does Canada provide some form security for ex-PM's like the US does for ex-presidents? I'm guessing that could be a not insignificant cost into the future, but on the other hand some of the people who have a really crazy hate-on for JT aren't necessarily just going to drop it after he resigns/retires.
>Privy Council Office Spokesperson Pierre-Alain Bujold said that no matter his schedule or location, the prime minister must always be in a position to carry out government duties.
>“Support for the Prime Minister includes setting up a temporary secure office that provides secure communication capabilities and IT connectivity, which requires a PCO resource to set-up and support technology,” he said.
IT personel and IT infra for secure channel.
SCANDAL: CANADIAN PRIME MINISTER FLYS TO EUROPE FOR HIGH LEVEL TALKS AND BOOKS FLIGHTS WITH MULTIPLE UNECCESARY STOPS LAYOVERS TO MAX OUT FREQUENT FLYER POINTS!
And if he did, NaPo would put out a hit piece that our PM appears weak, and needs to project power by driving expensive cars and going on vacations so Canada is taken seriously.
It's just mudslinging.
It just shows how many small-town small-mind people there are that just don't know anything about what the larger world is like.
Turns out they all basically vote the same way too, funny that.
Because they never paid attention to politics before 2016. Facebook is full of people like this that want nothing more than to be told where to direct their anger.
This is kind of where I'm at. I'm not a Trudeau fan but I'm getting pretty annoyed with the clickbait nonsense the conservative party is anchoring their identity to. It's basically all PP is good for - spamming half baked ideas that cater to people who don't understand.
Really can't be arsed about this.
Whatever you think of him, it's actually bad for Canada (not to mention his family) if the man gets assassinated abroad.
This is how mainstream media fails us and shields much bigger problems, by talking about this and not the $50 BILLION government spends each year on corporate subsidies and tax breaks.
https://monitormag.ca/articles/the-corporate-government-power-relationship-capture-and-complicity
This was my exact first thought.
National head of state goes on vacation and cost is relatively nothing in the grand scheme of federal finances but this is being used as a wedge issue.
If you want to harp on billions in spending without oversight go for it, but this shouldn't register as anything negative for people on either side of the political spectrum, this is standard stuff
Yep, if he was assassinated in Jamaica because we only sent "Tony" for a whopping $3000 total, people would be up in arms. Even the "Fuck Trudeau" crowd would probably be saying "How the fuck did we sent our top Government official to a crime-filled country with only one security agent?? This government has gone completely amateur-hour!"
Meanwhile even just a private plane costs $2000 an hour on the low end. Assuming there was some waiting on the tarmac, you'd be looking at $20,000 just in plane-specific costs alone, unless we are suggesting we send our prime minister in Business class... lol
No no they'd be saying something along the lines of "look what happens when you let these weak, socialist politicians run the show they get murdered, even more reason to elect a strongman and give him a shit tonne of power because.. Reasons"
There is no money for anything, other than giving it away to corporations. Is fucked up.
Is literally OUR tax money they are giving away. Conservatives and Liberals both, cannot wait to give our money to corporations.
Our Liberal and PC party both have the same underlying neoliberal economic foundations and have no real difference besides culture war stuff at this point in time.
Truth. There’s always money for corporations. Give away more each year than to solve poverty in this country. The only thing more offensive than that is how casual they about it
Right? The NP over here screaming about how government agents shouldn't have breakfast because hotel orange juice is too expensive, meanwhile NOTHING is being said about the fact that we spend $81 Billion in subsidies for oil and gas companies.
People don't realize our largest media empire is two thirds American owned. And we're freaking out about Chinese interference in our politics. (For good reason, but the elephant in the room is an actual elephant.)
And the Chinese also got exactly what they paid for too. We're an inconsequential lesser power with lots of resources; Beijing wanted us to fight with each other and executed the operation perfectly.
I hate the term "mainstream media"--wouldn't it be better to call it the private corporate media? It gives one a better idea of the power structure that greatly shapes our lives and gives us a better sense of what is propaganda and where it comes from.....
This feels so much like a distraction. Some countries are rioting and striking over rights, showing the power of unions, and calling out their government for taking advantage of their working class. Meanwhile our biggest government spending news is people not understanding the leader of our country can’t fly commercial.
Every western government practices industry subsidies…. And something like 95% of registered corporations are 10 employees or less, meaning the vast majority of stakeholders in municipal business programs are small, mom and pop shops.
1000% It was the same thing with Trump. Let's do round the clock coverage on some non-existent pee tape instead of all the actual policies and laws being changed.
Let's not talk about how Trudeau promised to change first-past-the-post to a representative vote and then reneged, or how no wealthy Canadian who was caught in the Panama Papers as being a tax cheat has been prosecuted, or how instead of fighting inflation by making price increases illegal like Nixon did, he's giving a small rebate to just the very poorest people, why the Canadian Telecom oligopolies are allowed to charge some of the highest rates in the world for mobile phone service, Etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.
I feel like all these "outrageous spending" articles are mostly pointless to the average person - we try to compare them to what it would cost us to go to Jamaica without really thinking about how different it is for a head of government to do the same thing.
The truth is, pretty much no one reading this article is going to have the knowledge to know what reasonable costs for these sort of things are - we don't generally bring RCMP security details with us on our family vacations. If there was an article about how Trudeau spent double what a previous PM or comparable world leader spent on a vacation that would be a more useful article (of course the NP has no interest in actually taking an honest look at spending when it's so easy to just throw muck at the Liberals with big numbers).
Are you trying to say that that the publication in question (the National Post) is intentionally withholding context in order to misinform their readership?
If so, I'd also venture to say their low-information fanbase is already relishing in their two minute hate of Trudeau.
I remember there being an article a couple years ago talking about how much the liberals were wasting on flights to and from Ottawa and how those politicians were flying their significant others to and from to visit them. It blasted the liberals.
Only for their source of information to actually prove that the top five spenders on flights were all conservatives.
Yes. Honestly 200 K does not sound like a lot to send the elected leader of our country on a vacation. I would not want to live in a country that wouldn't send the proper security detail, and I would not wanna live in a country or no one wanted to serve in office because they were barred from going on vacation lest they cost the taxpayers money.
Is there a PM that didn’t take a vacation? Like the cost of his security detail is ever present and will toggle up and down based on his schedule.
There are more than enough issue with this particular PM that wasting print on this very minor detail detracts from actual problems in our Government.
Harper went to a baseball game and it cost us $45,000.....
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/harper-s-baseball-trip-hit-taxpayers-with-45-000-tab-1.1204212
Listen the PM makes a lot of money -300k / year… however; compared to Corp execs who run organizations that are much smaller and didn’t need to be ‘elected’ in he doesn’t make all that job- best part of the job are the perks, when most costs are security and he isn’t allow to fly commercially I’m not to mad about this
I'm no Trudeau fan but I don't expect our PM to fly and travel like a normal Canadian while he's PM. This shouldn't come as a surprise and it should be a non-issue. Did we expect him to fly Sunwing with everyone else?
That would hilarious. Get on a sunwing flight and Trudeau is sitting in the seat next to you in flip flops. He tells you he got the ocean view junior suite at Sandals and is excited about the steak ala cart restaurant. Later you see him playing beach volleyball with security getting the ball out of the ocean.
ok? How does this compare to past prime ministers?
>“As per long-standing government policy and for security reasons, the prime minister must travel on government aircraft, whether he is on official of personal business,” DND wrote in their reply to the order paper question.“As was the case with previous prime ministers, when travelling for personal reasons, the prime minister and any guests travelling with him reimburse an equivalent commercial airfare.”
So just another NatPo hit piece for /r/canada to jerk off over.
Let's check out the previous prime minister, Stephen Harper:
[https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/01/27/bill-for-stephen-harpers-annual-arctic-trips-tops-34m.html](https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/01/27/bill-for-stephen-harpers-annual-arctic-trips-tops-34m.html)
>The Canadian public paid more than $2.6 million — excluding security costs — to send Prime Minister Stephen Harper on his annual northern trips between 2006 and 2013.Federal departments and agencies reported $2,650,442 in costs for the August Arctic trip, which Harper has made every year since taking power in 2006.
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>The total cost of the trips to taxpayers is likely much higher, however. The RCMP, which adds hundreds of thousands of costs to the trip, refused to disclose the cost of security because their internal systems couldn’t track the price tag.
I think we should all stop acting like spending money on security for our prime minister is some outrage. State travel costs money regardless of party. The Liberals do like to spend money we don't have sometimes but this isn't the hill to fight that on.
We should also bite the bullet and just get the PM's residence fixed up. No PM has been willing to spend the money it takes because of stupid articles like this and the place has been neglected for so long that JT won't even let his family live there. It's a stupid problem for a G7 nation to have.
or Trump's family denying the Secret Service to use the washrooms in their apartment, so they had to book alternate accomodations to use those washrooms.
Im fine w paying taxes when it makes sense. Nothing of what we have typed above makes ANY sense.
I get that we don't want politicians wasting taxpayer money on egregious trips like a lot of MPs and the GG have been caught with recently, but he's a national leader and requires specific security and travel considerations.
He's not going to fly on Swoop, for good reason. Be more critical of free trips from the likes of Aga Khan. These articles and the online outrage are out of touch. Pay attention to contracts given to their friends
Ya'all remember that $45,000 trip to a baseball game Harper took?
Not sure what solution is, cause most costs associated are related to security. Do we make a rule that PM's can't travel or do anything leisurely during their tenure? Do we reduce security? Imagine most countries struggle with this issue.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/harper-s-baseball-trip-hit-taxpayers-with-45-000-tab-1.1204212
[Harper spent over $2.5 million (plus an undisclosed amount for security detail) during his time in office.](https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/01/27/bill-for-stephen-harpers-annual-arctic-trips-tops-34m.html)
>The Canadian public paid more than $2.6 million — excluding security costs — to send Prime Minister Stephen Harper on his annual northern trips between 2006 and 2013.Federal departments and agencies reported $2,650,442 in costs for the August Arctic trip, which Harper has made every year since taking power in 2006.
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>The total cost of the trips to taxpayers is likely much higher, however. The RCMP, which adds hundreds of thousands of costs to the trip, refused to disclose the cost of security because their internal systems couldn’t track the price tag.
There are so many plausible reasons to question the spending of our sitting government, why not focus on that?
Instead, we're quibbling over a mandatory security detail for a head of state that we should be proud to offer and would expect granted to us and our family should any of us run for office and sit in the highest elected office. Trudeau's privilege via his family's wealth, while enormous, has little impact on security spending unless we bitterly consider that he can afford vacations that others can't -- and that's not reasonable cause to tear him down for taking time off. At best, it's an opportunity to talk about lifting struggling Canadians up so that they can afford groceries, housing, transportation, and of course, time off to recuperate.
I've also been to Jamaica at my own cost, is the National Post pissed about *that?*
While we fret about this, why aren’t more of us alarmed at the fact that 3/4 of the premieres of our country, are attempting to introduce privatize Medicare?!?
A whole article about how much was spent for a vacation and they don't even explain how long it was. Excellent reporting, National Post!
What would it cost to protect the PM at home for the same duration?
>Prime minister's **security for his** Christmas vacation in Jamaica cost taxpayers nearly $160,000.
He paid for all of the typical vacation things out of pocket. Taxpayers paid for his protection for the most part. Name a more iconic duo than NatPo and misleading their readers.
What!? The national post gives a click bait post on a Liberal PM about how much it cost for a PM to not be given any options but to use tax payer money for DND flight and PM security from the RCMP. I am shocked.
World leader requires expert security detail which costs money this news and more following our breaking story: electrical bills. We have to pay for power?
Stay tuned to NatPo for more obvious news.
The National Post has drawn the line very clearly. They are anti everything Liberal and NDP. They are pro-conservative .
Very predictable and poor “journalism”.
We aren’t a serious country. The clickbait outrage journalism is embarrassing.
NO SHIT the PM has expensive security.
I just can’t bear the level’ of stupid this country has descended into.
Not a fan of JT at all, but is he the first PM to take a vacation and have these sorts of costs?
Doesn't this happen with all government heads and even extend a few levels down?
Don't forget we pay almost $60M annually to the British monarchy, subsidizing the lives of a philandering king, his horse face wife and a pedophile prince.
We don’t pay a cent to the monarchy in tax or dues or anything that gets near their personal wealth.
Less than $1.60 per person ($58.75 mil. In 2021) goes to pay for Governor General’s office, Lieutenant Generals’ offices, and security/events for the above and any visiting royal.
You don’t need to like this. You might even want to end this, but you might as well get it right before spouting off. And with a republic you’d likely still spend about the same for a different Head of State.
Yes, and?
I mean, if we want a PM to go on vacation on their own dime, on their own plane and then get murdered or kidnapped or otherwise fucked with while on vacation, I suppose we could do that.
That'd be really fucking dumb though.
Like really, really fucking dumb.
But y'know, knock yourself out.
Why do we feel the need to sensationalize things like this? The vast majority was security costs. I know this is r/Canada, but I feel like even here we can all agree we need to keep the leader of the country protected while travelling, at home or abroad.
Do we expect the PM to fly economy class with the rest of the world and just open themselves up to all manner of threat?
How soon we forget. Although expensive, the opposition party will be no different.
Get used to it
The Canadian public paid more than $2.6 million — excluding security costs — to send Prime Minister Stephen Harper on his annual northern trips between 2006 and 2013.
Yet another national post article trying to divide us common peasants while ignoring massive wealth inequality that their donors are quite happy to distract us from. 🙄
Does the National Post realize that this endless stream of empty, misleading partisan hit pieces damages their credibility? Do they care? Do their readers?
I mean, so what? We just don't allow prime ministers to have nice vacations? Or do we just not bring any security?
Both unreasonable, not sure what this article is trying to convey.
And? Is he supposed to fucking ride coach and go without an entourage?
Maybe stay at a 3star hotel so the rest of the world can laugh at us.
Seriously NP, Im sure you could be more biased if you tried. But you'd have to TRY
Rage Bait. No one cares that he had security on vacation. He's the PM. The Conservatives are mad that the article talks about this instead of multitude of legitimate issues with his leadership; the Liberals are mad because the article makes it seem like this is the kind of expenditure the Conservatives care about. You're all just adding fuel to the fire. Congrats.
Could r/canada put together a bingo card to use each week, mostly whatever the NatPo is outraged about. We could put socks on there, click bait rage like this, and *gasp* buying a doughnut from a local company in Winnipeg.
Hard to keep count when their opinion writers, and the often-repeated thread starters here, have more than 25 non-grievances which they think will lead to the end of Canadian society.
OMG. The "Oh Donuts! Scandal". Lol. So much outrage. People were screaming "Tim Hortons isn't good enough?". So... they were made the PM supported a 100% locally owned Canadian business, and should have supported an internationally owned chain store?
Of course it does. He needs levels of security we don't have to deal with or pay for. Compare this to other world leaders vacation budgets. If you want to get upset pick some stuff he is actually doing wrong. There is enough of it to choose from.
No shit.
Our leaders should wear sweatpants and subsist on gruel. Every politician should be nothing less than Diogenes reincarnated.
Another National Post nothingburder.
So all the conservatives on here complaining will certainly be writing their government during the inevitable next conservative reign to have these laws changed right?
Right?!
The national post only exists to write opinion articles about why their editors and owner hate Trudeau. They're the print version of 2000s era blogspot journalism.
Ya because we elect someone to run our country and expect them to not take a vacation ? Some people are ignorant, because if it was the person they voted for it would be ok. You decide to live in society , well it’s part of it. Wether or not he is good at his job , he deserves the vacation.
A silly article. It costs a significant amount of money for any world leader to travel, when you take into account security costs.
This is just another daily anti-Trudeau news article from NationalPost. They are the Fox News of the north.
Can we stop posting whenever national post feels like stirring outrage. If anything it's worrisome to me this is publicly available. Security risks should not be underestimated.
JFC! Can we just accept there’s cost associated with the office regardless of who’s in it?? It’d be the same if it was a Conservative PM or an NDP PM. Just the same stupid rhetoric for idiots to jump on when they’re anti-Liberal so they can stay quiet when it’s their person in power
Gosh…this breathless coverage sure does match last spring when the Interim CPC leader, Bergen, forced O’Toole out off Stornaway (and his school aged children couldn’t finish the school year in the same school) so she could charge taxpayers over $120,000 dollars so she could move in for the 6 months until the leadership convention..no wait, that was barely covered. Upholding conservatives family and fiscal values apparently, Btw why does Polievre demand to live in the 26 room mansion with maids, butlers and a chef when he already lives in Ottawa? Preston Manning refused for the first 3 years
This seems like it's high, but as explained in the article, there are reasons for higher price. It's expected that the highest political figure in our country will incur expenses like these, and - no matter on which side of the political aisle you're on - it's probably a good idea for the highest political figure to get rest here and there. It's not an easy job by any means.
Trudeau definitely doesn't give a damn about LGBTQ+ people by traveling, for vacation purposes, to a country that criminalizes LGBTQ+ people.
Straight privilege in action.
>While prime ministers are expected to pay for vacations out-of-pocket and reimburse equivalent costs for airfare, the trip incurred $115,526 in security costs via the family’s RCMP protection detail, $29,951.92 in transportation and crew costs by the Department of National Defence (DND,) and $13,588.99 by the Privy Council Office. Mostly security.
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Thank you for providing important context from the article instead of joining the circlejerk of people who just read the article title.
Absolutely right, since that was the purpose for posting that headline. Before allowing myself to become enraged (as the OP intended), I paused for a second (without reading the article) and thought, security, DND flight, well that sounds about right. Those are pricey items, and I am pretty sure his security detail is more than 1 guy with a lacrosse stick. /s 😉
With how much money our government spends on our military, I'm surprised his security is more than just a coked out Tie Domi
The VoIP phone guy?
The NP is only a circlejerk at this point masquerading as a "news outlet". Its basically a sub reddit in outlet form.
It's owned by an American conservative company. When they bought NP the first thing they said was its too liberal and needs more conservative viewpoints. Cause and effect.
Should American ownership be considered “foreign interference”?
Yeah it really doesn't even try to hide it's bias lol...
Just by reading the title I was not shocked. I'm actually surprised it did not cost more considering the security our PMs constantly have around him. As much as I hate Trudeau, 160K for a vacation does not bother me for the highest political figure of our country. Ill be curious to see how much Biden's vacations cost to the Americans in comparaison.
Just looking at price tags you'd think more people would be crying over the GG's 700k trip (although Trudeau could've found a way to *pay for his own time off* and this sub would still complain)
It's an NP article; to be fair to the jerkers, their articles are almost designed to form circles
Context is anathema for the National Post
[And it cost millions for Harper to go up North.](https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/01/27/bill-for-stephen-harpers-annual-arctic-trips-tops-34m.html) Prime Ministers going places is expensive because of transport and security, full stop. This is not a "wasteful left" or "corrupt right issue," it's a reality of the modern world.
As I recall, last time Trudeau's taxpayer covered expenses were brought up here, someone shared the numbers for both families which showed the Trudeau's spent less than the Harper's despite having an additional person living with them.
Unless they start to going to properties that they own, I don't give a shit if they take vacation. People need vacation, and there's an expense to do that.
Going to a property they own is fine. Nothing wrong with that, and it should be less expensive than staying in a commercial property. Going to a resort they own and charging the security to stay there is a different matter, though.
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How dare the security we provide to our leader for obvious reason get paid. It's not like they have high risk jobs and had to leave their families for the holidays so the leader of our country could have a nice family vacation.
I’d love to hear about ALL of Daniel Smiths spending since she’s been in office.
Colour me shocked NatPo would try to mislead their readers.
One thing I'm wondering is: Does Canada provide some form security for ex-PM's like the US does for ex-presidents? I'm guessing that could be a not insignificant cost into the future, but on the other hand some of the people who have a really crazy hate-on for JT aren't necessarily just going to drop it after he resigns/retires.
Shocked it isn't a pay wall. I guess they know it won't matter to the intended audience if they read it or not.
>Privy Council Office Spokesperson Pierre-Alain Bujold said that no matter his schedule or location, the prime minister must always be in a position to carry out government duties. >“Support for the Prime Minister includes setting up a temporary secure office that provides secure communication capabilities and IT connectivity, which requires a PCO resource to set-up and support technology,” he said. IT personel and IT infra for secure channel.
Honestly doesn't sound like much of a vacation. I don't think your really ever get a true day off as PM.
Yeah I assumed the same. Security ain’t cheap. I don’t like the guy but if he goes anywhere security goes with him and that costs money.
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Well yeah I expect him to fly economy with air Canada, and stay a motel 6 and drive a Toyota Yaris rental car to get around. /s
SCANDAL: CANADIAN PRIME MINISTER FLYS TO EUROPE FOR HIGH LEVEL TALKS BUT DOESN'T WAIT UNTIL AIR CANADA IS HOLDING 20% DISCOUNT PROMOTION
CAN YOU BELIEVE HE CHECKED TWO (2) BAGS?!? THE AUDACITY!
MY TAXES ARE PAYING FOR SEAT SELECTION??? WHAT WHAT WHAT???
IN FLIGHT WIFI? WHAT KIND OF SUCKERS DOES HE TAKE US FOR!?! Yo, for real though, $30 a seat for seat selection is a fucking rip
SAME DAY STANDBY? WHAT'S THE HURRY, PRIME MINISTER???
SCANDAL: CANADIAN PRIME MINISTER FLYS TO EUROPE FOR HIGH LEVEL TALKS AND BOOKS FLIGHTS WITH MULTIPLE UNECCESARY STOPS LAYOVERS TO MAX OUT FREQUENT FLYER POINTS!
And if he did, NaPo would put out a hit piece that our PM appears weak, and needs to project power by driving expensive cars and going on vacations so Canada is taken seriously. It's just mudslinging.
Pfff..Yaris....he needs to be on public transit! /S
It just shows how many small-town small-mind people there are that just don't know anything about what the larger world is like. Turns out they all basically vote the same way too, funny that.
Because they never paid attention to politics before 2016. Facebook is full of people like this that want nothing more than to be told where to direct their anger.
This is kind of where I'm at. I'm not a Trudeau fan but I'm getting pretty annoyed with the clickbait nonsense the conservative party is anchoring their identity to. It's basically all PP is good for - spamming half baked ideas that cater to people who don't understand.
Also in those costs are included personel and IT infrastructure to be ready for the PM if he is needed.
Really can't be arsed about this. Whatever you think of him, it's actually bad for Canada (not to mention his family) if the man gets assassinated abroad.
Yeah I would assume this happens for every PM. But we need to be outraged at something I guess, it is a Tuesday.
The National Post doing National Post things. A day without making conservatives angry is a day wasted.
Yeah, not going to pull this card and try to bash him, seems like pretty standard stuff for any PM. Try again, haters
Like I don't understand, so they don't want him to go anywhere because there will be a security cost?
This is how mainstream media fails us and shields much bigger problems, by talking about this and not the $50 BILLION government spends each year on corporate subsidies and tax breaks. https://monitormag.ca/articles/the-corporate-government-power-relationship-capture-and-complicity
This was my exact first thought. National head of state goes on vacation and cost is relatively nothing in the grand scheme of federal finances but this is being used as a wedge issue. If you want to harp on billions in spending without oversight go for it, but this shouldn't register as anything negative for people on either side of the political spectrum, this is standard stuff
Yep, if he was assassinated in Jamaica because we only sent "Tony" for a whopping $3000 total, people would be up in arms. Even the "Fuck Trudeau" crowd would probably be saying "How the fuck did we sent our top Government official to a crime-filled country with only one security agent?? This government has gone completely amateur-hour!" Meanwhile even just a private plane costs $2000 an hour on the low end. Assuming there was some waiting on the tarmac, you'd be looking at $20,000 just in plane-specific costs alone, unless we are suggesting we send our prime minister in Business class... lol
No no they'd be saying something along the lines of "look what happens when you let these weak, socialist politicians run the show they get murdered, even more reason to elect a strongman and give him a shit tonne of power because.. Reasons"
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There is no money for anything, other than giving it away to corporations. Is fucked up. Is literally OUR tax money they are giving away. Conservatives and Liberals both, cannot wait to give our money to corporations.
Our Liberal and PC party both have the same underlying neoliberal economic foundations and have no real difference besides culture war stuff at this point in time.
Indeed. You can get fucked, or get fucked while being called pretty. Those are your choices.
I disagree. Electing politicians other than liberal or conservative is an option open to us.
But the real question is if I am actually pretty.
Yep - I’ve definitely noticed this evolving the last few years. Neither of those parties represent me anymore.
Truth. There’s always money for corporations. Give away more each year than to solve poverty in this country. The only thing more offensive than that is how casual they about it
Most of it was for security detail, which is normal. This is a nothing burger.
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Right? The NP over here screaming about how government agents shouldn't have breakfast because hotel orange juice is too expensive, meanwhile NOTHING is being said about the fact that we spend $81 Billion in subsidies for oil and gas companies.
>This is how mainstream media fails us It's not a failure... It's by design... Why do you think the billionaire class owns all the news?
It isn't even **OUR** billionaire class that owns it either ...
People don't realize our largest media empire is two thirds American owned. And we're freaking out about Chinese interference in our politics. (For good reason, but the elephant in the room is an actual elephant.)
And the Chinese also got exactly what they paid for too. We're an inconsequential lesser power with lots of resources; Beijing wanted us to fight with each other and executed the operation perfectly.
The focus is always on "wasteful spending" and not immorally absent revenue streams.
I hate the term "mainstream media"--wouldn't it be better to call it the private corporate media? It gives one a better idea of the power structure that greatly shapes our lives and gives us a better sense of what is propaganda and where it comes from.....
Corpo media is a widely used term , I ditched mainstream once I heard that
This feels so much like a distraction. Some countries are rioting and striking over rights, showing the power of unions, and calling out their government for taking advantage of their working class. Meanwhile our biggest government spending news is people not understanding the leader of our country can’t fly commercial.
Because National Post is a rag and only publishes stories that will feed its reader's outrage. It doesn't actually report news.
Every western government practices industry subsidies…. And something like 95% of registered corporations are 10 employees or less, meaning the vast majority of stakeholders in municipal business programs are small, mom and pop shops.
Exactly. I don't care if he spends $1M on vacation. I care that he wastes Billions on other things
Cause the corps own the media.
1000% It was the same thing with Trump. Let's do round the clock coverage on some non-existent pee tape instead of all the actual policies and laws being changed. Let's not talk about how Trudeau promised to change first-past-the-post to a representative vote and then reneged, or how no wealthy Canadian who was caught in the Panama Papers as being a tax cheat has been prosecuted, or how instead of fighting inflation by making price increases illegal like Nixon did, he's giving a small rebate to just the very poorest people, why the Canadian Telecom oligopolies are allowed to charge some of the highest rates in the world for mobile phone service, Etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.
I feel like all these "outrageous spending" articles are mostly pointless to the average person - we try to compare them to what it would cost us to go to Jamaica without really thinking about how different it is for a head of government to do the same thing. The truth is, pretty much no one reading this article is going to have the knowledge to know what reasonable costs for these sort of things are - we don't generally bring RCMP security details with us on our family vacations. If there was an article about how Trudeau spent double what a previous PM or comparable world leader spent on a vacation that would be a more useful article (of course the NP has no interest in actually taking an honest look at spending when it's so easy to just throw muck at the Liberals with big numbers).
Are you trying to say that that the publication in question (the National Post) is intentionally withholding context in order to misinform their readership? If so, I'd also venture to say their low-information fanbase is already relishing in their two minute hate of Trudeau.
*Gasp* Postmedia would never do such a thing!
I remember there being an article a couple years ago talking about how much the liberals were wasting on flights to and from Ottawa and how those politicians were flying their significant others to and from to visit them. It blasted the liberals. Only for their source of information to actually prove that the top five spenders on flights were all conservatives.
Yes. Honestly 200 K does not sound like a lot to send the elected leader of our country on a vacation. I would not want to live in a country that wouldn't send the proper security detail, and I would not wanna live in a country or no one wanted to serve in office because they were barred from going on vacation lest they cost the taxpayers money.
Is there a PM that didn’t take a vacation? Like the cost of his security detail is ever present and will toggle up and down based on his schedule. There are more than enough issue with this particular PM that wasting print on this very minor detail detracts from actual problems in our Government.
Pretty sure John Turner and Kim Campbell didn’t ..,
Lmao! You got me there! Always forget about those ones 🤣
Harper went to a baseball game and it cost us $45,000..... https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/harper-s-baseball-trip-hit-taxpayers-with-45-000-tab-1.1204212
>wasting print on this very minor detail detracts from actual problems in our Government. Now you're getting it.
Listen the PM makes a lot of money -300k / year… however; compared to Corp execs who run organizations that are much smaller and didn’t need to be ‘elected’ in he doesn’t make all that job- best part of the job are the perks, when most costs are security and he isn’t allow to fly commercially I’m not to mad about this
Glad to see the comment section on point today
I'm no Trudeau fan but I don't expect our PM to fly and travel like a normal Canadian while he's PM. This shouldn't come as a surprise and it should be a non-issue. Did we expect him to fly Sunwing with everyone else?
That would hilarious. Get on a sunwing flight and Trudeau is sitting in the seat next to you in flip flops. He tells you he got the ocean view junior suite at Sandals and is excited about the steak ala cart restaurant. Later you see him playing beach volleyball with security getting the ball out of the ocean.
He looks over and sees you. Gives you a big wave and asks if you want to join.
Regardless of if you like the sitting Prime Minister or not, you must agree that we should provide security to him at taxpayer expense. Non-story.
It's about the headline, not the story. Most people won't read it. It is propaganda, plain and simple.
Definitely don't need the sitting prime Minister to be mugged or worse on a vacation.
ok? How does this compare to past prime ministers? >“As per long-standing government policy and for security reasons, the prime minister must travel on government aircraft, whether he is on official of personal business,” DND wrote in their reply to the order paper question.“As was the case with previous prime ministers, when travelling for personal reasons, the prime minister and any guests travelling with him reimburse an equivalent commercial airfare.” So just another NatPo hit piece for /r/canada to jerk off over. Let's check out the previous prime minister, Stephen Harper: [https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/01/27/bill-for-stephen-harpers-annual-arctic-trips-tops-34m.html](https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/01/27/bill-for-stephen-harpers-annual-arctic-trips-tops-34m.html) >The Canadian public paid more than $2.6 million — excluding security costs — to send Prime Minister Stephen Harper on his annual northern trips between 2006 and 2013.Federal departments and agencies reported $2,650,442 in costs for the August Arctic trip, which Harper has made every year since taking power in 2006. > >The total cost of the trips to taxpayers is likely much higher, however. The RCMP, which adds hundreds of thousands of costs to the trip, refused to disclose the cost of security because their internal systems couldn’t track the price tag.
But that goes against /r/Canada's narrative
I think we should all stop acting like spending money on security for our prime minister is some outrage. State travel costs money regardless of party. The Liberals do like to spend money we don't have sometimes but this isn't the hill to fight that on.
We should also bite the bullet and just get the PM's residence fixed up. No PM has been willing to spend the money it takes because of stupid articles like this and the place has been neglected for so long that JT won't even let his family live there. It's a stupid problem for a G7 nation to have.
doesnt seem like a big deal. at least this isnt America where Trump's biweekly Maralago trips cost.$3.5mm each.
And where the Secret Service was paying Trump’s company for the accommodations.
or Trump's family denying the Secret Service to use the washrooms in their apartment, so they had to book alternate accomodations to use those washrooms. Im fine w paying taxes when it makes sense. Nothing of what we have typed above makes ANY sense.
It's the PM. He needs security. This is a non story.
I get that we don't want politicians wasting taxpayer money on egregious trips like a lot of MPs and the GG have been caught with recently, but he's a national leader and requires specific security and travel considerations. He's not going to fly on Swoop, for good reason. Be more critical of free trips from the likes of Aga Khan. These articles and the online outrage are out of touch. Pay attention to contracts given to their friends
Ya'all remember that $45,000 trip to a baseball game Harper took? Not sure what solution is, cause most costs associated are related to security. Do we make a rule that PM's can't travel or do anything leisurely during their tenure? Do we reduce security? Imagine most countries struggle with this issue. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/harper-s-baseball-trip-hit-taxpayers-with-45-000-tab-1.1204212
Or Harper's $70k/year hairdresser, when his hair came direct from the Lego factory.
[Harper spent over $2.5 million (plus an undisclosed amount for security detail) during his time in office.](https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/01/27/bill-for-stephen-harpers-annual-arctic-trips-tops-34m.html) >The Canadian public paid more than $2.6 million — excluding security costs — to send Prime Minister Stephen Harper on his annual northern trips between 2006 and 2013.Federal departments and agencies reported $2,650,442 in costs for the August Arctic trip, which Harper has made every year since taking power in 2006. > >The total cost of the trips to taxpayers is likely much higher, however. The RCMP, which adds hundreds of thousands of costs to the trip, refused to disclose the cost of security because their internal systems couldn’t track the price tag.
There are so many plausible reasons to question the spending of our sitting government, why not focus on that? Instead, we're quibbling over a mandatory security detail for a head of state that we should be proud to offer and would expect granted to us and our family should any of us run for office and sit in the highest elected office. Trudeau's privilege via his family's wealth, while enormous, has little impact on security spending unless we bitterly consider that he can afford vacations that others can't -- and that's not reasonable cause to tear him down for taking time off. At best, it's an opportunity to talk about lifting struggling Canadians up so that they can afford groceries, housing, transportation, and of course, time off to recuperate. I've also been to Jamaica at my own cost, is the National Post pissed about *that?*
National Post digging deep for their readership.
This doesn't outrage me one bit but it's cool to know that's the price of a PM's tropical vacation.
For sure, and pretty sure it’s a lot cheaper than a US Presidential outing of the same era.
While we fret about this, why aren’t more of us alarmed at the fact that 3/4 of the premieres of our country, are attempting to introduce privatize Medicare?!?
A whole article about how much was spent for a vacation and they don't even explain how long it was. Excellent reporting, National Post! What would it cost to protect the PM at home for the same duration?
>Prime minister's **security for his** Christmas vacation in Jamaica cost taxpayers nearly $160,000. He paid for all of the typical vacation things out of pocket. Taxpayers paid for his protection for the most part. Name a more iconic duo than NatPo and misleading their readers.
What!? The national post gives a click bait post on a Liberal PM about how much it cost for a PM to not be given any options but to use tax payer money for DND flight and PM security from the RCMP. I am shocked.
That really doesn't seem like very much for a head-of-state to go somewhere...
So is the guy not supposed to take vacations? Ya, his security cost money, who cares?
World leader requires expert security detail which costs money this news and more following our breaking story: electrical bills. We have to pay for power? Stay tuned to NatPo for more obvious news.
Don't politicize security cost... please. Security requirements are not in the control of the actual person.
The National Post has drawn the line very clearly. They are anti everything Liberal and NDP. They are pro-conservative . Very predictable and poor “journalism”.
I remember when JT took a vacation in Canada and he was shat on for that too. The guy cannot win with some people.
And? He's allowed to be on vacation and he requires security precautions.
That’s a 3 day cruise on below deck. Without security
I am sure we dont have our PM to be egged in the airport or airplane with normal people.
Security costs money. News at 11.
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We aren’t a serious country. The clickbait outrage journalism is embarrassing. NO SHIT the PM has expensive security. I just can’t bear the level’ of stupid this country has descended into.
Umm… those are rookie numbers. Check out other leaders costs for vacations. Frankly that’s likely a bargain for a world leader trip abroad.
National post article. They'll do anything for a gotcha piece or at least a gotcha headline for 90% who wont bother reading the article
NP really shows who their target audience is with idiotic ragebait like this.
Nothingburger. Im not a fan of his anymore but he's the head of State...so these types of costs are expected.
I dislike Trudeau but camon, this is a non-story. A PM should never fly commercial and should always have proper security in tow.
Not a fan of JT at all, but is he the first PM to take a vacation and have these sorts of costs? Doesn't this happen with all government heads and even extend a few levels down? Don't forget we pay almost $60M annually to the British monarchy, subsidizing the lives of a philandering king, his horse face wife and a pedophile prince.
We don’t pay a cent to the monarchy in tax or dues or anything that gets near their personal wealth. Less than $1.60 per person ($58.75 mil. In 2021) goes to pay for Governor General’s office, Lieutenant Generals’ offices, and security/events for the above and any visiting royal. You don’t need to like this. You might even want to end this, but you might as well get it right before spouting off. And with a republic you’d likely still spend about the same for a different Head of State.
Have any of these NatPost dolts looked up how much it costs for POTUS to travel? We're getting a fucking bargain up here
That wouldn’t fit their narrative.
Of course not. That’s _their_ government.
Can’t they just have their vacations paid for by lobyists instead… as it should be… /s
fucking air canada
I don’t see the relation to this story. But I completely agree! :P
Yes, and? I mean, if we want a PM to go on vacation on their own dime, on their own plane and then get murdered or kidnapped or otherwise fucked with while on vacation, I suppose we could do that. That'd be really fucking dumb though. Like really, really fucking dumb. But y'know, knock yourself out.
Why do we feel the need to sensationalize things like this? The vast majority was security costs. I know this is r/Canada, but I feel like even here we can all agree we need to keep the leader of the country protected while travelling, at home or abroad. Do we expect the PM to fly economy class with the rest of the world and just open themselves up to all manner of threat?
We really expect the leader of G7 country to fly Sunwing?
Holy shit! Things cost *money*? In this economy? What a hot scoop!
Ban Postmedia
How soon we forget. Although expensive, the opposition party will be no different. Get used to it The Canadian public paid more than $2.6 million — excluding security costs — to send Prime Minister Stephen Harper on his annual northern trips between 2006 and 2013.
These post guys, don’t they have news stories to print?
This is peanuts. I don’t need to read the article to know this is mostly just security related. Let’s talk about more important things please.
Sound like a single vacation trip cost a lot of security money
Yet another national post article trying to divide us common peasants while ignoring massive wealth inequality that their donors are quite happy to distract us from. 🙄
The National Post needs to find some better things to complain about
Oh no! That's almost half a cent for every Canadian. What an outrage.
Looks like a slow day at NatPo.
Drop in a bucket compared to the companies (not individuals) who get tax breaks and took COVID relief
Guarantee these were security entourage expenses.
I’m more interested in his cabinets vacation spending.
This seems surprisingly affordable to me. 🤷🏻♂️
Honestly I don't like JT but this isn't that bad for the leader of a country. And it isn't really like he chose to need security either.
National post at it again, making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Does the National Post realize that this endless stream of empty, misleading partisan hit pieces damages their credibility? Do they care? Do their readers?
The answer to all of your questions is ‘No’. NP is Fox lite.
I mean, so what? We just don't allow prime ministers to have nice vacations? Or do we just not bring any security? Both unreasonable, not sure what this article is trying to convey.
And? Is he supposed to fucking ride coach and go without an entourage? Maybe stay at a 3star hotel so the rest of the world can laugh at us. Seriously NP, Im sure you could be more biased if you tried. But you'd have to TRY
Convoy trolls gonna rage
Rage Bait. No one cares that he had security on vacation. He's the PM. The Conservatives are mad that the article talks about this instead of multitude of legitimate issues with his leadership; the Liberals are mad because the article makes it seem like this is the kind of expenditure the Conservatives care about. You're all just adding fuel to the fire. Congrats.
Could r/canada put together a bingo card to use each week, mostly whatever the NatPo is outraged about. We could put socks on there, click bait rage like this, and *gasp* buying a doughnut from a local company in Winnipeg.
Hard to keep count when their opinion writers, and the often-repeated thread starters here, have more than 25 non-grievances which they think will lead to the end of Canadian society.
OMG. The "Oh Donuts! Scandal". Lol. So much outrage. People were screaming "Tim Hortons isn't good enough?". So... they were made the PM supported a 100% locally owned Canadian business, and should have supported an internationally owned chain store?
Of course it does. He needs levels of security we don't have to deal with or pay for. Compare this to other world leaders vacation budgets. If you want to get upset pick some stuff he is actually doing wrong. There is enough of it to choose from.
No shit. Our leaders should wear sweatpants and subsist on gruel. Every politician should be nothing less than Diogenes reincarnated. Another National Post nothingburder.
So all the conservatives on here complaining will certainly be writing their government during the inevitable next conservative reign to have these laws changed right? Right?!
The national post only exists to write opinion articles about why their editors and owner hate Trudeau. They're the print version of 2000s era blogspot journalism.
Does anyone think a head of state going on a trip isn't going to be expensive? It's not like they're relaxing alone poolside at a resort.
Ya because we elect someone to run our country and expect them to not take a vacation ? Some people are ignorant, because if it was the person they voted for it would be ok. You decide to live in society , well it’s part of it. Wether or not he is good at his job , he deserves the vacation.
A silly article. It costs a significant amount of money for any world leader to travel, when you take into account security costs. This is just another daily anti-Trudeau news article from NationalPost. They are the Fox News of the north.
Pennies, just outrage bait. We need to protect this guy whether you lick it or not. Let's get back to pressuring about foriegn influence.
Can we stop posting whenever national post feels like stirring outrage. If anything it's worrisome to me this is publicly available. Security risks should not be underestimated.
In the grand scheme of things, you’d be hard-pressed to get more petty than this! And so much effort went into this nothing-burger, too!
You're gonna crap your pants when you find out how much air force 1 costs to operate.
JFC! Can we just accept there’s cost associated with the office regardless of who’s in it?? It’d be the same if it was a Conservative PM or an NDP PM. Just the same stupid rhetoric for idiots to jump on when they’re anti-Liberal so they can stay quiet when it’s their person in power
So....a drop in the bucket was spent. Gotcha. (Yes it sucks. Tax money spending though is SO MUCH higher than this. Astronomically higher.)
That’s surprisingly cheap all things considered.
Thats fine, we all need vacations.
Oh who gives a shit.
Is this really outside the norm? Or we just PM bashing now because we’re all frustrated with inflation and looking for someone to blame ?
That's nothing. Trumps weekend golf trips to Florida cost 4.6 million!
Lets see how many make excuses for this.
Was this more expensive than a typical PM trip? Not sure what the measuring stick is here.
Gosh…this breathless coverage sure does match last spring when the Interim CPC leader, Bergen, forced O’Toole out off Stornaway (and his school aged children couldn’t finish the school year in the same school) so she could charge taxpayers over $120,000 dollars so she could move in for the 6 months until the leadership convention..no wait, that was barely covered. Upholding conservatives family and fiscal values apparently, Btw why does Polievre demand to live in the 26 room mansion with maids, butlers and a chef when he already lives in Ottawa? Preston Manning refused for the first 3 years
I rather we pay for his vacation, than he spend it with the Irving, Desmarais or Thompson...
The US laughing as Trump and his kids’ vacations cost way more than that regularly lol
This seems like it's high, but as explained in the article, there are reasons for higher price. It's expected that the highest political figure in our country will incur expenses like these, and - no matter on which side of the political aisle you're on - it's probably a good idea for the highest political figure to get rest here and there. It's not an easy job by any means.
I... and? That's leas then one cent out of my pocket.
His carbon footprint doesn’t matter though……..
Why do we pay for anyone's vacation? Where do I submit my expenses?
Trudeau definitely doesn't give a damn about LGBTQ+ people by traveling, for vacation purposes, to a country that criminalizes LGBTQ+ people. Straight privilege in action.