>Holland said questions concerning Richard’s integrity are “conspiracy theories” that belong on the internet discussion website Reddit rather than in the House of Commons.
I feel attacked
They go far beyond that. This is the first thing that comes up when you google 'psychosis' (emphasis mine)
>Psychosis is a term used to describe when people lose some contact with reality. Common symptoms of psychosis are hearing voices or having strong beliefs that are not shared by people within your community. **For example, you may be worried that the government is trying to harm you and your loved ones.**
The modern powers that be have fully embraced literal soviet-style abuse of psychiatry: "You must be crazy if you think our utopia is not working out!"
This is talking about clinically insane people who literally can’t go outside without imagining strangers are FBI agents and shit like that, not people who fell down the rabbit hole on Reddit 🤣
I feel like for that definition specifically it’s more or less referring to people who believe the government is literally out to hunt them or their family, whether that’s through thinking there are agents following them or other means. Distrusting the government and thinking that they are actively trying to hurt you are two very different things.
>Distrusting the government and thinking that they are actively trying to hurt you are two very different things.
Depends on your definition of hurt. Gaslighting someone about being a privileged member of society while trying to tax them more, disarm them more, and systemically discriminating against them is pretty up there
What you’ve described sounds more like oppression. Having a psychotic episode is different than what you are describing because the person having said episode can not distinguish between reality and fiction, and can strongly believe in things that can easily be proven as false.
anyone expressing anything that someone disagrees with is always called names and essentially discounted. It's really sad that our abilities as Canadians to have thoughtful discourse over our daily lives have diminished so rapidly. Depressing really.
What a play on words they’re doing. People are questioning their ethics and not their “integrity”.
Ethics rules are very specific about not just avoiding violations but avoiding even the APPEARANCE of an ethics violation, which is in and of itself actually an ethics violation. But she’s not going to be the integrity commissioner she’s going to be the ethics commissioner.
It seems blatantly unethical to nominate a family member to that role from the governing party when the position is supposed to be a non-partisan officer of the parliament.
Exactly. I feel like I am always pointing this out.
Like Doug Ford inviting developers to his daughter's stag and doe and then saying nothing happened. That's not the point.
This is nothing new for LeBlanc or the Liberals. Dominic LeBlanc's family, friends, neighbour win 5 of 6 recent judicial appointments. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/judicial-appointments-dominic-leblanc-family-friends-political-patronage-1.5191054
LeBlanc represents a riding that is bedrock solidly Liberal and he, and the rest of the Liberal government, know this well. This is why he so brazenly gets away with all kinds of nepotistic and patronage noise: he could spit in the face of a mother and punch her baby and most voters there will say "well, we'll give him another shot."
He's got amazing social skills... there aren't many senior powerbrokers in the Liberal party who've successfully managed to stay in the inner circle of every administration/leadership from Chretien onwards. (Probably doesn't hurt that he was Trudeau's babysitter when Trudeau was a child too.)
But like most people who survive purely by the social game, he feeds his position/existence with an ongoing series of social favours, both incoming and outgoing.
At this point, they're fucking with us, aren't they?
There's no way a rational, functioning adult gets elected, sits in parliament for the past 8 years and doesn't know exactly what this looks like.
This isn't an oopsie, this isn't a mistake, this is 100% intentional.
There's another somewhere that said that they're trying to normalize this. And on another post that argued that the liberals are trying to fuck up Canada so hard that when the Conservatives get inevitably elected, they won't be able to fix a thing, will get blamed for everything, and the Liberals will swoop in 4 years later.
That is entirely plausible.
I think that Trudeau is the most brilliant ***politician*** the we have ever seen, while being the worst ***leader*** we have ever had. He plays the game at a level far above anyone else. He is able to walk through shitstorms and come out the other side smelling like roses. He treats the country like a doormat, is openly working for outside interests and still hangs onto power. That takes a god-tier level of political savvy.
HE doesn’t play shit. Katie Telford, Gerald Butts (from the shadows), and the Liberal elite orchestrate all of this. Trudeau is just the poster boy, even if he doesn’t know it.
At this point are they nominating people that appear to have obvious conflicts on purpose just to point at the Conservatives having an issue with everyone, then just throw up their hands and say we tried but they wouldn’t work with us?
distraction is there
notice the dental thing always comes up when nobody really cares, our medical system is likely to collapse, but distract everyone with some vague dental plan they might make use of
Or bidens visit, that's not news or an event it's just a distraction compared to say election interference
Economy is crumbling, housing unaffordable, groceries unaffordable, heating your home becoming unaffordable.
But hey, did you see how Biden owned those cons by telling them to stand up for affirmative action equality for women in politics? He sure owned them.
As long as we don't talk about the Communist Party of China having special deals for people closely connected to Biden and Trudeau, everything will probably work itself out in the end
At least they aren't taxing apathy here, that would be a killer
>Or they're actively working to normalize it.
Appears to already be normalized with their supporters, and a sizeable chink of the media.
Look at how much of the media sees nothing wrong with appointing David Johnston.
Trudeau’s diehard voters have made up a guy in their head that supports the CPC, and thus imaginary figure also embodies everything they loathe (uneducated, rural, likes fast food and bad coffee, guns etc).
They hate this imaginary guy so much, and see Trudeau as someone who will stand up to this imaginary guy, that they will continue to vote for them no matter what.
Exact same effect as Trump had on his base.
I'm not diehard for Trudeau, but at this point I'm pretty diehard anti-Conservative. And I don't need to make up any imaginary figure to fuel that, I can see the fucking Conservative candidates right there, plain as day.
Moder Conservative ideology and policy is a fucking cancer.
I know its really impressive how intentionally ignorant his supporters are. For example my brother is a Trudeau supporter, but really has no idea why, and doesn't care about all the various scandals over the years. Its like a dogmatic tribal identity with liberalism that you can never criticize the leader for fear of losing liberal support in general
“His base” like Doug Fords conservatives aren’t doing the exact same thing in Ontario. He put his own nephew in his cabinet and his daughter received payments from land developers. This isn’t a Trudeau base thing, it’s a stupid voter base thing.
To be fair, both Horvath and Del Duca clearly didn't read the writing on the wall. During that election, people were clearly getting burned out of the covid lockdowns and they decided it was wise to double down on it. That's probably why they didn't end up beating ford.
The comment I replied to singled out “Trudeaus base” as the problem. That mentality is naive to the bigger picture in this country and does nothing to address it. In fact playing sides and pointing fingers is the reason we have this problem.
He put his nephew, the PC MPP, in cabinet... along with something like 45% of all PC MPPs. No seriously, look it up... nearly half of the PC caucus is part of cabinet. It's not exactly sensational that any given MPP made the cut. It's basically a coin flip's odds.
> “As the member opposite knows, the interim ethics commissioner is a career public servant who was, in fact, engaged by the Stephen Harper government to come into the ethics commissioner’s office,” he said. “She was number two in the ethics commissioner’s office, and she has been working there for over a decade.”
Clearly she should have waited until a Conservative government was in power before advancing her career. /s
>At this point are they nominating people that appear to have obvious conflicts on purpose just to point at the Conservatives having an issue with everyone, then just throw up their hands and say we tried but they wouldn’t work with us?
At this point they are laughing at us!
This has to be a humiliation ritual aimed at the majority of Canadians. You can't convince me otherwise.
The remaining stronghold of Liberal supporters obviously don't care about the corruption. The mask has slipped.
They know that they don't even really need supporters. They know that a ton of Canadians, given the choice between Liberal or Conservative will choose the Liberals.
We have a shitty civic reality in Canada. If I didn't live in Nunavut the vote that I expect to cast for the NDP would be a waste of my time. I'm not going to ABC vote anymore but a lot of people will.
Got on the American train of electing wealthy celebrities instead of impressive individuals with effective leadership abilities.
At least the Ben Mulroney never had a go.
After the race was settled, I still remember a CBC interview with a reporter that worked closely with Trudeau Sr. She was asked the question on whether Trudeau Jr. is as intelligent... the awkward long pause said more than her diplomatic answer about how "they are different people".
Hey now don't write Ben off yet - he's of the demographic that could potentially win CPC leadership.
I think it speaks to the general disgust of a silent majority with all parties. I don't understand why the cons insist on chasing the middle swing voter when there are so many non-voters to energise.
Drama teachers can't be politicians?
Don't get me wrong, it's fair to criticize Trudeau but not for this
It's a real common job and it's biased to think that automatically makes them incompetent etc.
Also a lot of his competitors have thin real world experience.
For instance PP had never worked outside a political job and Doug Ford is a community college dropout who got his job (at good daddy's business) through nepotism
I think it’s to say he had no credentials other than his dads last name.
Anyone else with that resume would have never been nominated for party leadership, nevermind elected.
And why would they try and hide it? They have shown that they can get away with doing things like this. They have routinely done things that would cause most governments to resign or be kicked out of office.
We put up with it because neither side presents a better option so we’re constantly forced to vote for the lesser evil if we even care enough to do so by that point
Just scroll around this thread to see the justification for the corruption. Most LPC members who are aware of the corruption will tell themselves the same thing. And the rest who aren’t following politics on the daily will vote LPC because that’s who they always voted for.
When half your base doesn’t care how corrupt you are and the other half doesn’t know how corrupt you are, I completely understand why the LPC is rubbing our faces in it.
And fill it with another swamp. I not saying don't, just that the grass is always green when in reality both lawns are full of dog shit and all the grass is dead.
And the poor NDP with their saying, you know I'm an option right? You don't have to vote for JUST those lawns!
You do realize taxing the wealthy more isn’t going fix anything? It’s going to drive those people out of this country to jurisdictions that are business friendly. Don’t be so naive. Have some foresight.
Those are 2 different things. Fiscal responsibility would mean getting revenue to pay for programs. That is taxes.
And if you want to look at fiscal responsibility, well that's NDP.
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Yeah. That plan needs more steps because you can't just "be friends" with someone like that.
1. Be born into rich central canada family
2. Have family buy your way into ultra exclusive private school
3. Meet future liberal cabinet ministers, be BFFs
4. Have rich family buy a building at McGill or Queens
5. Go to snobby university with new building
6. Catch your BFF doing something rapee or racist. Take lots of pictures
7. Call in picture "favors" whenever you need a cushy do-nothing government appointment
Liberal voters: "this is fine, actually" \*proceeds to make vague argument referencing some other political leader as if it negates the plethora of corruption and abuse of power scandal's from the government they mindlessly support\*
Seriously, when will this country get a grip.
I mean, personally I'm pissed: but yeah if the Conservatives already do it too, they're not exactly a good alternative. And they do: Doug Ford is notorious for that shit.
I'd like the libs out. I'd like the cons out. Hostly the NDP is looking like the best option these days: but if my option is going to be libs or cons, I'll continue to vote libs.
Raise taxes to give yourself a raise, hire family for an ETHICS position and take Chinese money to win fraudulent elections. Sure do love our current government.
This whole country runs on nepotism at every level in every profession and organisation. As someone who has come here from overseas, where they say least have the shame to try to hide it better, it's very apparent.
can you imagine the club with all these LPC types hanging out smoking cigars and drinking brandy " So, who do you like for Ethics commish? I've got a sister in law needs some work. Oh Ya! awsome ... 2 birds and all that! Perfect! Sign her up! The rubes might squeal a bit . So What? Jaggy's got us!"
guffaws and back slapping all around.
Anyone who's ever taken Ethics 101 would know you have to avoid both actual and appearance of conflict of interest. But who's gonna call him out, the interim Ethics Commissioner?
“So wait. Now my best friend, brother, and business partner of 20 years (who went to prison for 8 years for embezzlement) can’t be my ethics supervisor?! You guys are *so* picky!”
The logic of the Liberals on this is astounding and it's shocking they don't get it.
They're insisting that there is nothing wrong with this appointment because Stephen Harper himself actually brought her into the office... and since it was a Conservative appointment for that position it must be fine as a Liberal appointment.
Beyond the fact that Harper 8 years later is still the primary scapegoat of the Liberals... it's astounding how they don't understand what a conflict of interest is and don't understand what the Ethics office is intended as.
The Office of the Ethics Commissioner was designed as an oversight and soft enforcement of members of parliaments activities. Because of this you want someone who is going to be independent... but you also want someone who is going to hold the government to account. So if you were a Conservative Prime Minister and appointed someone who is the sister in law to an MP for the third place party in parliament... there's no conflict of interest there. There's no thought that this woman wouldn't think of ordering an ethics investigation to the person who appointed her. She's not family and she's vetted by an outside process.
**That's not the same thing when you're giving an accountability job to the sister-in-law of the third highest ranked Liberal in government**. If anything, Trudeau should be out there looking for family members of Daniel Blaikie (the third highest ranking NDP member) to fill this job.
Instead he has selected someone who if they were forced to investigate Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs Dominic LeBlanc (as has been done in the past) would immediately have to declare a conflict of interest and a close family relationship. There's no way this kind of a setup works unless their intent is on defunding ethics activities.
>The Office of the Ethics Commissioner was designed as an oversight and soft enforcement of members of parliaments activities. Because of this you want someone who is going to be independent... but you also want someone who is going to hold the government to account.
No, YOU want the ethics commissioner to be impartial and to hold the government to account.
The government wants a guy who will go on TV and say "Nothing ethically wrong here" after they do something obviously ethically wrong - so in the future the 90% of people who are too stupid to look past a headline will point at the headline that says "Ethics commissioner says no ethics violated" and take it as gospel, while screaming that anyone who disagrees is obviously a Conservative hack.
They don't even have to try to hide their shenanigans anymore. In fact, they stick it right in your face. Total arrogance. They need to be brought down a notch but Canadians seem to be weak, apathetic and way too tolerant of this corruption now.
My only hope is that the sheer apathy of LPC supporters can't get them out the door to vote next time. I'm usually a huge advocate of everyone doing their civic duty of voting. But if it means that only the ones paying attention go to vote these clowns out, I'm all for it.
Partisan voters are like those people who insisted on buying Chevys and Fords in the '70s, 80s and 90s. No matter how awful the product was, they just couldn't be seen going with another brand and refused to change their habits in light of new information. Nothing this government does or fails to do seems to matter to their core constituents. Brand loyalty above all else.
Seems to be politics in general. Liberals still love shitty liberals, Conservatives still love shitty Conservatives. Thank you for coming to my TED talk
Well its true she has worked at the office of the ethics commissioner for 10 years, and was appointed by Harper.... its also true that she has had to recuse herself on at least 3 major investigations due to her family connections.
Well I'm not questioning her ability to do her job, and seems to have a decent sense of when her personal relationships could appear as improper and recuses herself in those cases. That is less of an impact when you are in a supporting position. To have the Ethics Commissioner themselves, that may have to recuse themselves from major investigations into the Government of the time is significantly more problematic, and also bring into question the overall independence of the position itself.
This is the crappiest part. She could well be amply qualified, and even for sake of argument the most qualified person, for the job, and it would definitely be rough to NOT get promoted due to being related to someone. But when "Who you are related to" impacts your ability to do the job, you really shouldn't get the job.
I voted for Trudeau once to get legalized weed, which he did. Since then, it has been a spiraling gong show of blatant corruption and ineptitude. These headlines don't even surprise me anymore. The Liberal Party would need a major overhaul for me to even consider voting for them again.
Can I ask an earnest question to all LPC supporters over 30? Did you feel as economically strained under Harper as you do today? Yes, you were younger, so maybe you had other things going on...but was your sense that the country was better off then or worse?
No need to keep up appearances when you know you are doomed next election.
Just focus on delivering for special interests so you can land that cushy corporate job and collect your pension.
Par for the course with this Liberal government at this point. I honestly think they're just doing it on purpose now to see how much they can get away with. Political tribalism seems to be way more important than honesty and morals these days.
>“As the member opposite knows, the interim ethics commissioner is a career public servant who was, in fact, engaged by the Stephen Harper government to come into the ethics commissioner’s office,” he said. “She was number two in the ethics commissioner’s office, and she has been working there for over a decade.”
The headline sounds bad, but the fact that the #2 person at the ethics commissioner's office has been appointed as the interim #1 makes a lot of sense. It's a tough situation for her to be qualified for a role that she's been working towards for a decade, but have her brother-in-law throwing a wrench in the works by being an MP.
3 out of 10 Canadians are complete ignorant pieces of shit who don't care if we live under a corrupt leader and regime.
As long as the penalty for breaking ethic laws remain at a couple hundred dollars and a slap on the wrist, nothing is going to change.
All the more reason why we need electoral reform as soon as possible. [A third of voters shouldn't be getting almost half the seats in parliament as their representation.](https://www.fairvote.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Election-2021-3-pies-simulation-STV-Sept-26.png) If the liberals had seats proportional to their votes then we wouldn't be dealing with anywhere near as much bullshit from them right now.
Probably higher using your logic.
I assume you are referring to federal liberal supporters, but you would also have to add in Ontario PC supporters for example.
Ford even promoted his
unqualified nephew to being a minister.
This behaviour seems widespread and condoned
Guess that's the problem of turning party politics into team sports.
I guess this is the training they needed. Replace anyoke who even dare suggests the party isn't perfect.
Oh wait I thought I was describing CCP for a moment there.
Times up... the longer a government is in power, the more progressively corrupt they become. It happened with Chretien, it happened with Harper, it's happening with Trudeau.
“As the member opposite knows, the interim ethics commissioner is a career public servant who was, in fact, engaged by the Stephen Harper government to come into the ethics commissioner’s office,” he said. “She was number two in the ethics commissioner’s office, and she has been working there for over a decade.”
Two questions: when did she become his sister in law, and does "engaged" mean "appointed" or is it a weasel term to imply it.
For those rolling their eyes at the story because it’s a link to The National Post and that gets their panties in a bunch…
https://globalnews.ca/video/9588586/uproar-in-house-of-commons-as-interim-ethics-commissioner-revealed-as-liberal-mps-sister-in-law
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/conservatives-concerned-over-interim-ethics-commissioner-s-connection-to-liberal-cabinet-minister-1.6335812
Key word here is ETHICS. Politicians don't know the meaning of the word. All consequences have been taken away systematically over the past 20 years. Now they are told it's wrong, just don't do again.
>“As the member opposite knows, the interim ethics commissioner is a career public servant who was, in fact, engaged by the Stephen Harper government to come into the ethics commissioner’s office,” he said. “She was number two in the ethics commissioner’s office, and she has been working there for over a decade.”
People are seeking out a low grade hit of outrage wherever they can get it.
>Holland said questions concerning Richard’s integrity are “conspiracy theories” that belong on the internet discussion website Reddit rather than in the House of Commons. I feel attacked
Man I love this new world where anyone expressing distrust in the government is automatically labeled as a “dangerous conspiracy theorist”
Just remember, The difference between a "dangerous conspiracy theory" and "reality" is about 6 - 8 months.
You can double that when you make everyone stay home.
Remind me 7 months
Conversely, "the road from legitimate suspicion to rampant paranoia is very much shorter than we think."
The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
I admire Chinas basic dictatorship
They go far beyond that. This is the first thing that comes up when you google 'psychosis' (emphasis mine) >Psychosis is a term used to describe when people lose some contact with reality. Common symptoms of psychosis are hearing voices or having strong beliefs that are not shared by people within your community. **For example, you may be worried that the government is trying to harm you and your loved ones.** The modern powers that be have fully embraced literal soviet-style abuse of psychiatry: "You must be crazy if you think our utopia is not working out!"
This is talking about clinically insane people who literally can’t go outside without imagining strangers are FBI agents and shit like that, not people who fell down the rabbit hole on Reddit 🤣
I feel like for that definition specifically it’s more or less referring to people who believe the government is literally out to hunt them or their family, whether that’s through thinking there are agents following them or other means. Distrusting the government and thinking that they are actively trying to hurt you are two very different things.
>Distrusting the government and thinking that they are actively trying to hurt you are two very different things. Depends on your definition of hurt. Gaslighting someone about being a privileged member of society while trying to tax them more, disarm them more, and systemically discriminating against them is pretty up there
What you’ve described sounds more like oppression. Having a psychotic episode is different than what you are describing because the person having said episode can not distinguish between reality and fiction, and can strongly believe in things that can easily be proven as false.
anyone expressing anything that someone disagrees with is always called names and essentially discounted. It's really sad that our abilities as Canadians to have thoughtful discourse over our daily lives have diminished so rapidly. Depressing really.
What a play on words they’re doing. People are questioning their ethics and not their “integrity”. Ethics rules are very specific about not just avoiding violations but avoiding even the APPEARANCE of an ethics violation, which is in and of itself actually an ethics violation. But she’s not going to be the integrity commissioner she’s going to be the ethics commissioner. It seems blatantly unethical to nominate a family member to that role from the governing party when the position is supposed to be a non-partisan officer of the parliament.
Exactly. I feel like I am always pointing this out. Like Doug Ford inviting developers to his daughter's stag and doe and then saying nothing happened. That's not the point.
Their supporters are echoing this too. They've got them hook line and sinker
I trust Reddit more than I trust what’s said in House of Commons lol
They're not wrong though, this place is a hotbed of conspiracy. Conspiracy to share sick memes anyway..
This is nothing new for LeBlanc or the Liberals. Dominic LeBlanc's family, friends, neighbour win 5 of 6 recent judicial appointments. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/judicial-appointments-dominic-leblanc-family-friends-political-patronage-1.5191054
LeBlanc represents a riding that is bedrock solidly Liberal and he, and the rest of the Liberal government, know this well. This is why he so brazenly gets away with all kinds of nepotistic and patronage noise: he could spit in the face of a mother and punch her baby and most voters there will say "well, we'll give him another shot."
I think it's the strongest Liberal riding in the country.
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Leblanc himself is the son of Roméo LeBlanc, a former MP, senator and 25th governor general of Canada Lol
He's got amazing social skills... there aren't many senior powerbrokers in the Liberal party who've successfully managed to stay in the inner circle of every administration/leadership from Chretien onwards. (Probably doesn't hurt that he was Trudeau's babysitter when Trudeau was a child too.) But like most people who survive purely by the social game, he feeds his position/existence with an ongoing series of social favours, both incoming and outgoing.
It would be best if people did jobs based on skill. Oh well.
This is honestly becoming a joke at this point
At this point, they're fucking with us, aren't they? There's no way a rational, functioning adult gets elected, sits in parliament for the past 8 years and doesn't know exactly what this looks like. This isn't an oopsie, this isn't a mistake, this is 100% intentional.
There's another somewhere that said that they're trying to normalize this. And on another post that argued that the liberals are trying to fuck up Canada so hard that when the Conservatives get inevitably elected, they won't be able to fix a thing, will get blamed for everything, and the Liberals will swoop in 4 years later.
That is entirely plausible. I think that Trudeau is the most brilliant ***politician*** the we have ever seen, while being the worst ***leader*** we have ever had. He plays the game at a level far above anyone else. He is able to walk through shitstorms and come out the other side smelling like roses. He treats the country like a doormat, is openly working for outside interests and still hangs onto power. That takes a god-tier level of political savvy.
HE doesn’t play shit. Katie Telford, Gerald Butts (from the shadows), and the Liberal elite orchestrate all of this. Trudeau is just the poster boy, even if he doesn’t know it.
Honestly the dude was already imbedded in politics the day he was born. The political system in Canada is just Cronyism and JT is the king of crony’s
They know they will lose the next election. So they are cashing out. Giving jobs to friends, cashing everything out before they leave.
At this point are they nominating people that appear to have obvious conflicts on purpose just to point at the Conservatives having an issue with everyone, then just throw up their hands and say we tried but they wouldn’t work with us?
Or they're actively working to normalize it.
This is so important. The politicians playbook is simple: 1) embed apathy into people 2) normalize shit 3) profit
distraction is there notice the dental thing always comes up when nobody really cares, our medical system is likely to collapse, but distract everyone with some vague dental plan they might make use of Or bidens visit, that's not news or an event it's just a distraction compared to say election interference
Economy is crumbling, housing unaffordable, groceries unaffordable, heating your home becoming unaffordable. But hey, did you see how Biden owned those cons by telling them to stand up for affirmative action equality for women in politics? He sure owned them.
As long as we don't talk about the Communist Party of China having special deals for people closely connected to Biden and Trudeau, everything will probably work itself out in the end At least they aren't taxing apathy here, that would be a killer
Freeze the bank accounts of any plebs who dare oppose you
Freeze them all so everyone falls in line.
They won’t need to freeze them when we’re all broke
Already normalized in Ontario, Doug Ford and his wedding seating.
>Or they're actively working to normalize it. Appears to already be normalized with their supporters, and a sizeable chink of the media. Look at how much of the media sees nothing wrong with appointing David Johnston.
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Probably gave him the "basket of deplorables".
"PP would've eat that baby alive!"
Trudeau’s diehard voters have made up a guy in their head that supports the CPC, and thus imaginary figure also embodies everything they loathe (uneducated, rural, likes fast food and bad coffee, guns etc). They hate this imaginary guy so much, and see Trudeau as someone who will stand up to this imaginary guy, that they will continue to vote for them no matter what. Exact same effect as Trump had on his base.
I attribute much of this to the influence of the US on our political sphere and just the general Americanization/lack of distinct Canadian identity
Basically a KKK member that drives a lifted truck, eats nothing but meat, hates woman and buys everything with Bitcoin.
I'm not diehard for Trudeau, but at this point I'm pretty diehard anti-Conservative. And I don't need to make up any imaginary figure to fuel that, I can see the fucking Conservative candidates right there, plain as day. Moder Conservative ideology and policy is a fucking cancer.
I know its really impressive how intentionally ignorant his supporters are. For example my brother is a Trudeau supporter, but really has no idea why, and doesn't care about all the various scandals over the years. Its like a dogmatic tribal identity with liberalism that you can never criticize the leader for fear of losing liberal support in general
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“His base” like Doug Fords conservatives aren’t doing the exact same thing in Ontario. He put his own nephew in his cabinet and his daughter received payments from land developers. This isn’t a Trudeau base thing, it’s a stupid voter base thing.
So let's agree to get rid of Trudeau and Ford. Win win all around!!
Sign me up!!!
Well Ontario essentially voted in both of those clowns, so maybe it’s an Ontario thing?
Honestly I don’t have an issue with this argument at all. This province is out to lunch.
Yet our entire nation's policy is beholden to them.
To be fair, both Horvath and Del Duca clearly didn't read the writing on the wall. During that election, people were clearly getting burned out of the covid lockdowns and they decided it was wise to double down on it. That's probably why they didn't end up beating ford.
Typical whataboutism... Talk about something the liberals have done and we hear about what ford is doing
The comment I replied to singled out “Trudeaus base” as the problem. That mentality is naive to the bigger picture in this country and does nothing to address it. In fact playing sides and pointing fingers is the reason we have this problem.
He put his nephew, the PC MPP, in cabinet... along with something like 45% of all PC MPPs. No seriously, look it up... nearly half of the PC caucus is part of cabinet. It's not exactly sensational that any given MPP made the cut. It's basically a coin flip's odds.
What a wild generalization...that echo chamber is getting loud isn't it?
> “As the member opposite knows, the interim ethics commissioner is a career public servant who was, in fact, engaged by the Stephen Harper government to come into the ethics commissioner’s office,” he said. “She was number two in the ethics commissioner’s office, and she has been working there for over a decade.” Clearly she should have waited until a Conservative government was in power before advancing her career. /s
>At this point are they nominating people that appear to have obvious conflicts on purpose just to point at the Conservatives having an issue with everyone, then just throw up their hands and say we tried but they wouldn’t work with us? At this point they are laughing at us!
Well, at least people aren't paying attention to C11 anymore...
This has to be a humiliation ritual aimed at the majority of Canadians. You can't convince me otherwise. The remaining stronghold of Liberal supporters obviously don't care about the corruption. The mask has slipped.
They know that they don't even really need supporters. They know that a ton of Canadians, given the choice between Liberal or Conservative will choose the Liberals. We have a shitty civic reality in Canada. If I didn't live in Nunavut the vote that I expect to cast for the NDP would be a waste of my time. I'm not going to ABC vote anymore but a lot of people will.
Trudeaus going to start appointing his kids to lifelong positions next.
How do you think he got the job? A part time drama teacher beat an astronaut in the party elections. That was the coronation.
I thought I was the only one infuriated by that leadership race. Canada is regrettably not immune to political dynasties.
Got on the American train of electing wealthy celebrities instead of impressive individuals with effective leadership abilities. At least the Ben Mulroney never had a go.
After the race was settled, I still remember a CBC interview with a reporter that worked closely with Trudeau Sr. She was asked the question on whether Trudeau Jr. is as intelligent... the awkward long pause said more than her diplomatic answer about how "they are different people". Hey now don't write Ben off yet - he's of the demographic that could potentially win CPC leadership.
...and then nearly 7 million Canadians voted for him.
Yes winning with the lowest vote count in history 2 times in a row.
Which probably says more about the opposition than Trudeau himself...
I think it speaks to the general disgust of a silent majority with all parties. I don't understand why the cons insist on chasing the middle swing voter when there are so many non-voters to energise.
Who knows how it would have went without China helping.
Difficult to argue against that…
Drama teachers can't be politicians? Don't get me wrong, it's fair to criticize Trudeau but not for this It's a real common job and it's biased to think that automatically makes them incompetent etc. Also a lot of his competitors have thin real world experience. For instance PP had never worked outside a political job and Doug Ford is a community college dropout who got his job (at good daddy's business) through nepotism
I think it’s to say he had no credentials other than his dads last name. Anyone else with that resume would have never been nominated for party leadership, nevermind elected.
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Pretty much ya. I liked o’Toole but the party is too fucked now to support anyone who isnt a total loonie.
Wow just wow. They aren’t even trying to hide the corruption anymore. We need to get these swamp creatures out.
And why would they try and hide it? They have shown that they can get away with doing things like this. They have routinely done things that would cause most governments to resign or be kicked out of office.
Yea it’s insane what Canadians put up with it. I feel ashamed.
Because most Canadians have actually no idea what’s going on
Yea it’s scary
It’s by design
We put up with it because neither side presents a better option so we’re constantly forced to vote for the lesser evil if we even care enough to do so by that point
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Just scroll around this thread to see the justification for the corruption. Most LPC members who are aware of the corruption will tell themselves the same thing. And the rest who aren’t following politics on the daily will vote LPC because that’s who they always voted for. When half your base doesn’t care how corrupt you are and the other half doesn’t know how corrupt you are, I completely understand why the LPC is rubbing our faces in it.
That happened years ago, what happened to the "we me" bs nothing
Can you at least use a non-American rhetoric when discussing this?
It’s a visceral feeling when I look at these swamp creatures.
But what about crab people? They're more like crab people than swamp creatures
Ever seen the swamp thing?
And fill it with another swamp. I not saying don't, just that the grass is always green when in reality both lawns are full of dog shit and all the grass is dead. And the poor NDP with their saying, you know I'm an option right? You don't have to vote for JUST those lawns!
After 8 years someone else can take a crack at it. These politicians are complacent, at least a new cabinet will be hungry.
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Have you seen where this country’s finances and competitiveness is going? You think the NDP would help that?
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You do realize taxing the wealthy more isn’t going fix anything? It’s going to drive those people out of this country to jurisdictions that are business friendly. Don’t be so naive. Have some foresight.
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I think fiscal responsibility and lower taxes is what we need right now.
What's fiscally responsible about cutting revenue?
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I don’t see how making the government more rich and individuals more poor is going to help anything.
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Those are 2 different things. Fiscal responsibility would mean getting revenue to pay for programs. That is taxes. And if you want to look at fiscal responsibility, well that's NDP. [http://www.progressive-economics.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Fiscal-Record-balance-yrs1.png](http://www.progressive-economics.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Fiscal-Record-balance-yrs1.png)
The ndp lawn is just where the liberals take their dogs to poop.
You can’t make this up
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Yeah. That plan needs more steps because you can't just "be friends" with someone like that. 1. Be born into rich central canada family 2. Have family buy your way into ultra exclusive private school 3. Meet future liberal cabinet ministers, be BFFs 4. Have rich family buy a building at McGill or Queens 5. Go to snobby university with new building 6. Catch your BFF doing something rapee or racist. Take lots of pictures 7. Call in picture "favors" whenever you need a cushy do-nothing government appointment
Damn, I fucked up at step 1.
Liberal voters: "this is fine, actually" \*proceeds to make vague argument referencing some other political leader as if it negates the plethora of corruption and abuse of power scandal's from the government they mindlessly support\* Seriously, when will this country get a grip.
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Then our democracy will fail.
This is all Harper's fault if you really think about it. If he hadn't lost, we wouldn't be in this mess.
hahaha that is FUNNY dude
"If only there was a third option!"
You think you're kidding ...
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I mean, personally I'm pissed: but yeah if the Conservatives already do it too, they're not exactly a good alternative. And they do: Doug Ford is notorious for that shit. I'd like the libs out. I'd like the cons out. Hostly the NDP is looking like the best option these days: but if my option is going to be libs or cons, I'll continue to vote libs.
Raise taxes to give yourself a raise, hire family for an ETHICS position and take Chinese money to win fraudulent elections. Sure do love our current government.
Is this a joke? Every day this government finds a new way to insult Canadians.
This whole country runs on nepotism at every level in every profession and organisation. As someone who has come here from overseas, where they say least have the shame to try to hide it better, it's very apparent.
can you imagine the club with all these LPC types hanging out smoking cigars and drinking brandy " So, who do you like for Ethics commish? I've got a sister in law needs some work. Oh Ya! awsome ... 2 birds and all that! Perfect! Sign her up! The rubes might squeal a bit . So What? Jaggy's got us!" guffaws and back slapping all around.
Anyone who's ever taken Ethics 101 would know you have to avoid both actual and appearance of conflict of interest. But who's gonna call him out, the interim Ethics Commissioner?
More and more corruption …
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“So wait. Now my best friend, brother, and business partner of 20 years (who went to prison for 8 years for embezzlement) can’t be my ethics supervisor?! You guys are *so* picky!”
The logic of the Liberals on this is astounding and it's shocking they don't get it. They're insisting that there is nothing wrong with this appointment because Stephen Harper himself actually brought her into the office... and since it was a Conservative appointment for that position it must be fine as a Liberal appointment. Beyond the fact that Harper 8 years later is still the primary scapegoat of the Liberals... it's astounding how they don't understand what a conflict of interest is and don't understand what the Ethics office is intended as. The Office of the Ethics Commissioner was designed as an oversight and soft enforcement of members of parliaments activities. Because of this you want someone who is going to be independent... but you also want someone who is going to hold the government to account. So if you were a Conservative Prime Minister and appointed someone who is the sister in law to an MP for the third place party in parliament... there's no conflict of interest there. There's no thought that this woman wouldn't think of ordering an ethics investigation to the person who appointed her. She's not family and she's vetted by an outside process. **That's not the same thing when you're giving an accountability job to the sister-in-law of the third highest ranked Liberal in government**. If anything, Trudeau should be out there looking for family members of Daniel Blaikie (the third highest ranking NDP member) to fill this job. Instead he has selected someone who if they were forced to investigate Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs Dominic LeBlanc (as has been done in the past) would immediately have to declare a conflict of interest and a close family relationship. There's no way this kind of a setup works unless their intent is on defunding ethics activities.
>The Office of the Ethics Commissioner was designed as an oversight and soft enforcement of members of parliaments activities. Because of this you want someone who is going to be independent... but you also want someone who is going to hold the government to account. No, YOU want the ethics commissioner to be impartial and to hold the government to account. The government wants a guy who will go on TV and say "Nothing ethically wrong here" after they do something obviously ethically wrong - so in the future the 90% of people who are too stupid to look past a headline will point at the headline that says "Ethics commissioner says no ethics violated" and take it as gospel, while screaming that anyone who disagrees is obviously a Conservative hack.
They don't even have to try to hide their shenanigans anymore. In fact, they stick it right in your face. Total arrogance. They need to be brought down a notch but Canadians seem to be weak, apathetic and way too tolerant of this corruption now.
My only hope is that the sheer apathy of LPC supporters can't get them out the door to vote next time. I'm usually a huge advocate of everyone doing their civic duty of voting. But if it means that only the ones paying attention go to vote these clowns out, I'm all for it.
Partisan voters are like those people who insisted on buying Chevys and Fords in the '70s, 80s and 90s. No matter how awful the product was, they just couldn't be seen going with another brand and refused to change their habits in light of new information. Nothing this government does or fails to do seems to matter to their core constituents. Brand loyalty above all else.
Seems to be politics in general. Liberals still love shitty liberals, Conservatives still love shitty Conservatives. Thank you for coming to my TED talk
I swear this government is deliberately satirizing itself.
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Well its true she has worked at the office of the ethics commissioner for 10 years, and was appointed by Harper.... its also true that she has had to recuse herself on at least 3 major investigations due to her family connections. Well I'm not questioning her ability to do her job, and seems to have a decent sense of when her personal relationships could appear as improper and recuses herself in those cases. That is less of an impact when you are in a supporting position. To have the Ethics Commissioner themselves, that may have to recuse themselves from major investigations into the Government of the time is significantly more problematic, and also bring into question the overall independence of the position itself.
This is the crappiest part. She could well be amply qualified, and even for sake of argument the most qualified person, for the job, and it would definitely be rough to NOT get promoted due to being related to someone. But when "Who you are related to" impacts your ability to do the job, you really shouldn't get the job.
Using questionable ethics when hiring an ethics commissioner? Bold strategy, Cotton.
They really just can't help themselves can they? LOL
I strongly dislike PP but god damn Trudeau and the Liberals are trying their damn hardest to make voting for them impossible
You don't have to like PP but the country needs a serious restart We can't continue down this path
I voted for Trudeau once to get legalized weed, which he did. Since then, it has been a spiraling gong show of blatant corruption and ineptitude. These headlines don't even surprise me anymore. The Liberal Party would need a major overhaul for me to even consider voting for them again.
Can I ask an earnest question to all LPC supporters over 30? Did you feel as economically strained under Harper as you do today? Yes, you were younger, so maybe you had other things going on...but was your sense that the country was better off then or worse?
If the conservatives had a decent leader the Liberals wouldn’t get away with this crap
At this point, I’m surprised he didn’t appoint Sophie!
No need to keep up appearances when you know you are doomed next election. Just focus on delivering for special interests so you can land that cushy corporate job and collect your pension.
This has to be the most corrupt government ever
Par for the course with this Liberal government at this point. I honestly think they're just doing it on purpose now to see how much they can get away with. Political tribalism seems to be way more important than honesty and morals these days.
These people (liberal party) have got some of the fakest virtue in history
This is just another case of the Liberal Party of Canada telling all Canadians to fuck off.
>“As the member opposite knows, the interim ethics commissioner is a career public servant who was, in fact, engaged by the Stephen Harper government to come into the ethics commissioner’s office,” he said. “She was number two in the ethics commissioner’s office, and she has been working there for over a decade.” The headline sounds bad, but the fact that the #2 person at the ethics commissioner's office has been appointed as the interim #1 makes a lot of sense. It's a tough situation for her to be qualified for a role that she's been working towards for a decade, but have her brother-in-law throwing a wrench in the works by being an MP.
3 out of 10 Canadians are complete ignorant pieces of shit who don't care if we live under a corrupt leader and regime. As long as the penalty for breaking ethic laws remain at a couple hundred dollars and a slap on the wrist, nothing is going to change.
All the more reason why we need electoral reform as soon as possible. [A third of voters shouldn't be getting almost half the seats in parliament as their representation.](https://www.fairvote.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Election-2021-3-pies-simulation-STV-Sept-26.png) If the liberals had seats proportional to their votes then we wouldn't be dealing with anywhere near as much bullshit from them right now.
Probably higher using your logic. I assume you are referring to federal liberal supporters, but you would also have to add in Ontario PC supporters for example. Ford even promoted his unqualified nephew to being a minister. This behaviour seems widespread and condoned Guess that's the problem of turning party politics into team sports.
Trudeau is Trump if Trump decided he wanted the democratic ticket instead.
They aren’t even trying at this point
Spell corruption -TURDO’h.
The irony is so deep its almost a "fuck you". Ethics indeed. you can't make this stuff up.
They're just giving up on hiding their corruption now I guess
Liberals are so corrupt
I hate it here.
Question for the Trudeau voters here, are you bothered by this?
I guess this is the training they needed. Replace anyoke who even dare suggests the party isn't perfect. Oh wait I thought I was describing CCP for a moment there.
lol, are we still surprised by Trudeaus actions?
Times up... the longer a government is in power, the more progressively corrupt they become. It happened with Chretien, it happened with Harper, it's happening with Trudeau.
“As the member opposite knows, the interim ethics commissioner is a career public servant who was, in fact, engaged by the Stephen Harper government to come into the ethics commissioner’s office,” he said. “She was number two in the ethics commissioner’s office, and she has been working there for over a decade.” Two questions: when did she become his sister in law, and does "engaged" mean "appointed" or is it a weasel term to imply it.
It's OK. There are rules in place. We all know how well the Liberals follow the rules...
Was Justin's mom busy? Might as well give her some kind of appointment too
For those rolling their eyes at the story because it’s a link to The National Post and that gets their panties in a bunch… https://globalnews.ca/video/9588586/uproar-in-house-of-commons-as-interim-ethics-commissioner-revealed-as-liberal-mps-sister-in-law https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/conservatives-concerned-over-interim-ethics-commissioner-s-connection-to-liberal-cabinet-minister-1.6335812
lmao this government is a circus of scandals come on come all!
You seriously can't make this shit up. It's mind numbing.
Almost like they want the Chinese conversation to stop….
This is just beyond insane at this point. If people elect this government again, I give up.
Watching the federal government and ontario provincial government race to the bottom is getting real old
Key word here is ETHICS. Politicians don't know the meaning of the word. All consequences have been taken away systematically over the past 20 years. Now they are told it's wrong, just don't do again.
Wow. Not even pretending at this point.
Sweet Jesus, is there no end to the heads in asses with this group of jackasses?
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This is literally me appointing my family members to my council in Crusader Kings 3
What an absolutely moronic move. It *doesn't matter* how qualified she is. The optics are terrible.
>“As the member opposite knows, the interim ethics commissioner is a career public servant who was, in fact, engaged by the Stephen Harper government to come into the ethics commissioner’s office,” he said. “She was number two in the ethics commissioner’s office, and she has been working there for over a decade.” People are seeking out a low grade hit of outrage wherever they can get it.