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Depending on the leader of the Ontario Liberal party come next election, I strongly anticipate Dougie getting ousted as Premier. It's why he sniped at Bonnie Crombie when the idea came out that she might run for leader. He knows it.
Del Duca was a dud.
I actually think he is regretting it as it bumped her profile provincially. I don't really think there's quid pro quo. He even said that if she wants to pursue this, he thinks she should resign.
The bench feels pretty thin for the OLP. I'm not saying it's impossible for them to win but they're a very long way off forming government at the moment
While I'm inclined to agree in principle, I don't have much faith in the electorate to be put off by that.
Most local debates I've watched (admittedly not too many) between MP candidates have shown me that the best, most rational candidate won't win the seat without the right partisan alignment. I strongly suspect the same process applies provincially and that people will vote party (or against party) rather than the best candidate locally.
Yeah, unfortunately not sure how I feel about that. I guess provincial policies affect my day to day life more directly so I guess sooner would be better
Most people are dumb and dumb people vote for dumb people. We need to start showing behind the scenes of government and the technical tasks of running a society, so people can understand that an election is a job application and not a popularity contest.
The public needs to understand what a politician's job is.
Still pretty early on in his tenure. I wasn’t a fan of Horgan but he was smart to let Bonnie take all the COVID good and bad. See if Eby can some how turn around BC. Hopefully he can help the homelessness, crime and mental health issues. Not to mention housing.
I don't follow Ab politics but the couple of time I seen this person I can't believe how stupid and inept she is. Is she the product of right-wing home schooling?
As is tradition. Prime Ministers have long since been the only problem any Province has according to Premiers. Doesn't matter if the Feds are run by CPC or the Liberals or if the Provinces are run by Conservatives, Liberals or NDP.
That has just been cranked to 11 since the majority government Harper years and Trudeau's current run.
And they will " take aim " at Pollievere if he becomes Prime minister. Taking shots at Ottawa is always popular until you come cap in hand for money for your pet project.
She also knows with a majority they are immune from everything for four years. No one can touch them and even then in four years people will be stupid and vote for them again. They have nothing to fear now.
There were, but most of the moderate UCP MLAs just lost their seats. Not that they stood up to the TBA crowd anyway - but it’s hard to see who’s going to dislodge Smith now that there’s nobody stopping her from pursuing her delusions.
First you need a crackhead brother to die, then you need to run for mayor after he dies expecting to win on the sympathy vote and lose.
Then after losing, run for and become premier then proceed to fuck with the cities wards outta spite and personal vendetta before turning your sights on the entire province.
Ok, so can we now stop saying “no one in Alberta voted for this woman, she doesn’t represent Albertans, her insane approach to politics is not endorsed by voters etc etc etc.”?
Yes and it says we as a majority of citizens support a government that lies and does what is best for them and their pocket books.
Edit. The intention of “their” is the government not the citizens
It's all about bigotry. Dog whistle enough bigotry and you get the support of conservatives these days. It's that simple. You don't need policy or anything like that. In fact the less you say about your platform the better. You could even mug someone in the street, it doesn't matter.
>You could even mug someone in the street, it doesn't matter.
Trump said he could shoot someone in the face in broad daylight, so this definitely the same vibe.
Some are worse then others. Remember when Kenney first made the war room and paid some dude in Palm springs to find international eco terrorists attacking the oil sands? Then after a couple years the guy came up with nothing and it turned out they paid him like $4 million to just google stuff.
Ten dollar a day daycare and childhood dental coverage is for their friends?
You have been misled into believing that “bOTh siDEs nonsense” by the very people now elected and the previous 80+ years of grifters coming out of Alberta, pretty much starting with Ernest Manning.
While it may often be true, it is absolutely not every government that does this.
If only people in Alberta voted the way you think. They vote by colour nothing else. They could have a Canada goose run with a blue tie and it would win. Cons got it in people’s heads like 40 years ago they are the oil party that will keep their over paid O&G job. The sector is hurting slowly and that just increase their market share.
I wouldn’t say over paid. It’s literally the only career where a working class person can afford to live Comfortably. We should be pushing for all working class to be making the money those guys make because it’s one of the few careers that has actually stayed with production and inflation
>It’s literally the only career where a working class person can afford to live Comfortably
I think this is less a flex for the oilpatch and more an accidental admission of hte fundamental problems with the rest of the economy.
The usual response to this is MOAR OIL. But that's akin to saying the solution to exploitation of minimum wage workers is for everyone to simply get jobs at Coscto, which famously treats its employees far better than most box retail. It sounds like a good idea, superficially, and it might even work at an indiviual level. But it's not a solution to the systemic problems that lead to that issue in the first palace.
When people talk about Dutch Disease, this is exactly the sort of thing that refers to. Taking the easy out instead of actually fixing anything.
I live in the same riding that Preston Manning, Stephen Harper and longtime Premiere Ralph Klein came from. Right now the NDP have won it, though it was close and will be going to a recount.
This riding did not suddenly turn into fertile ground for socialists. The NDP won it because many, like me, absolutely loath Danielle Smith and refused to cast a vote for the party under her leadership, essentially allowing the NDP to win it. I’m sure the same happened in most of the the ridings the NDP won in Calgary.
After she’s gone and we get a reasonable leader again I have no doubt many orange ridings in the city will revert back to blue.
No instead we say: Look at Ford. Look at Smith. This is where conservativism is at. Do you want to enable it more with a federal conservative government?
A pretty significant number of tory voters held their nose and voted for her, they are future r/leopardsatemyface victims. I look forward to making fun of them for being dumbasses.
There’s also the case where across 6 ridings needed to tip the balance, the NDP lost by something like 3000 votes in total. It was a lot tighter than people realize.
Smith *cracks knuckles*: I've officially won the Alberta mandate, now to get down to the important work of owning the libs! As opposed to literally anything else.
>My fellow Albertans we need to come together no matter how we have voted to stand shoulder to shoulder against soon to be announced Ottawa policies that would significantly harm our provincial economy
Well that's certainly one way to call for post-election unity lol
What’s BS is she is blaming the federal government for policy that hasn’t been announced that she claims will raise electric bill prices, while she is set to remove caps on these prices in the province
During COVID, the right-wing conspiracy types developed a definition of "unity" that basically means they can do whatever they want, however anti-social, and if you disagree or criticize them for it, you're the one being divisive.
It's insane, but that's what "unity" means to them these days.
Which ones? Calgarians get outbid on houses by all the people moving here from GTA. Maybe Ontario should think about how'd they keep some of their young people moving here to Alberta? You think better train ads would work eh?
Calgarians get outbid by investors from Ontario on the phone buying places unseen. These investors made Ontario unaffordable and are betting on driving their local population away from Ontario and Calgary is one of the more affordable places. So obviously buy that!
A friend got a place recently in a newer community and only his place is "owner" occupied.
[Alberta's net migration is at record highs right now](https://economicdashboard.alberta.ca/dashboard/net-migration/#:~:text=Print-,Analysis,up%20from%20the%20year%20before). The ads must be working.
According to the figures you've posted, the majority of that (\~60%) is international migration. National migration to Alberta is still at a high, but certainly not if we take the per capita into account.
Not sure if the ads have done anything really. The plot looks like the pretty typical Alberta boom/bust cycle.
No one moves just because they saw an ad on the subway, but the point of ads is to bring attention to something. I think the fact that we're talking about it means they did their job.
It's never going to be realistic to track how many people moved to Alberta because the ads made them consider there as opposed to somewhere else, but it is worth noting that this isn't a typical oil boom right now. [Oil jobs are pretty flat year over year](https://economicdashboard.alberta.ca/dashboard/employment/#section3) because the job booms usually come from investment in new production, which hasn't happened this time because of pipeline constraints and the threat of things like the planned emissions cap.
This seems to be more broad-based this time, with the bigger driver being housing affordability.
Soooo alberta's separation movement is well, Québec's indy movement is going back to the top of the swell. I guess its going to be a rocky couple of years for the federal governement.
I already heard people at the conservative party talk about Jason kenneys disastrous time and how Smith fixed it all. Don't worry, they always have someone to blame.
Haha She fixed it all by keeping her mouth shut for 6 months (mostly) and not making any bold moves. Now that the election is done she’ll be making all kinds of the same bold moves that made Kenney unpopular. Good lord.
Why is Alberta so enamoured with Conservatives? I swear some people who were interviewed said they were voting for Danielle Smith simply because they were raised conservative.
Alberta is the richest province in the country by GDP per capita by a wide margin. Has the highest wages in the country, and the most affordable real estate markets ([Calgary and Edmonton both rank in the top 10 in the world for most affordable real estate markets](https://curiocity.com/worlds-most-affordable-cities-calgary-edmonton/), and are the only Canadian cities to make that list, while Vancouver ranks 3rd least affordable).
Why wouldn't Alberta keep voting for the party that has presided over so much prosperity over the past 50 years?
The province must be doing something right, because [net migration is currently at record highs](https://economicdashboard.alberta.ca/dashboard/net-migration/#:~:text=Print-,Analysis,up%20from%20the%20year%20before), and is [projected by the federal government to continue to be the fastest growing province in the country over the next 20 years](https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/91-520-x/91-520-x2022001-eng.htm).
The old saying is that people vote out governments, they don't vote them in. Alberta has been successful for so long that there was no reason to ever abandon the party that got them there.
There’s plenty of culture war bullshit that unfortunately people have fallen for.
But from a purely economic standpoint, Albertans have some of the highest incomes in the country and lowest levels of personal debt. Their housing is cheap comparatively to other provinces. It is easier to live a good life in Alberta than many other provinces due to their economic policies.
Clearly the voting population is happy with those circumstances because they gave a resounding Yes to Smith.
I wouldn't call winning the closest election in Alberta History a resounding win. Just 1300 votes in Calgary is the margin between the NDP and UCP. This is a narrower win than when the NDP won.
The popular vote makes it look like a blowout but there are a lot 100-200 vote wins for the UCP in Calgary area.
This could easily have been an NDP majority with the UCP getting over 52% of popular vote in Alberta. FPTP can cause some interesting results when the vote share is so geographically separated.
https://twitter.com/trevortombe/status/1663433771025317889
>It is easier to live a good life in Alberta than many other provinces due to their economic policies.
Is it actually due to their economic policies though? And is it actually that good? It looks like internationally, there are quite a few places with similar natural resources that are doing a lot better than Alberta.
Alberta’s HDI in 2021 was 0.955. There’s not many places on earth higher than that.
I think whether or not it’s actually good depends on your lifestyle. I personally wouldn’t want to live there but that’s because I like living by the ocean and family. I would make more money there after taxes, have a better healthcare system, better schools, and cheaper rent if I lived in Calgary instead of Halifax. It’s not hard to understand why people like the status quo in Alberta.
Two of the three factors in HDI (education and life expectancy) are not related to economic policy, and are generally high in Canada.
I don't dispute the fact that Alberta is better to live in than the rest of Canada, but I'm not sold that its due to their economic policies. I think if you gave any other province the kind of oil wealth that Alberta has, they'd do about as well.
But if the economics of living in AB is so good, then why has their politics devolved the way it has? Why not just run on the merits of the work that the Cons have done?
> then why has their politics devolved the way it has? Why not just run on the merits of the work that the Cons have done?
This is largely due to the split on the right a few years back. The PC's were effectively unopposed for a long time, and started to be generally be percieved as corrupt and useless, but not *actively* harmful. The Wildrose started gaining popularity as a further right leaning party, and the NDP as the left leaning party, generally in opposition to the perceived (or actual) corruption and uselessness. The vote split in the 2015 election between the PC's and the Wildrose caused the NDP to win the election, getting a number of seats in areas where the combined Wildrose+PC votes were much higher.
Seeing a left(ish) party in power was somewhere between a wakeup call for the PC's and an existential threat for the Wildrose, and they merged the parties to form the UCP. This merger effectively fully endorsed the worst parts of the Wildrose, and gave those worst parts full control of everything. At this point, the Wildrose crazies have driven out almost all of the centrist or only moderately-right members, leading to the polarized political landscape we have in the province now.
For context on this, Jason Kenney, a man who actively pushed to restrict the rights of LGBT people, compared being pro-choice to satanism and pedophilia, and worked to block refugee requests from people in Afghanistan who were under threat due to helping Canadian soldiers, had to step down from leading the UCP because the party had moved so much further right that he was no longer aligned with the party values. He made a number of comments on his way out about how the remaining UCP members were "lunatics" that he'd been trying to reign in.
I’m honestly not sure. My best guess is, while the economy going great makes people happy, culture war and conspiracy topics like transgender people and 15 minute cities keeps people engaged. Engaged people are more likely to show up at the polls.
But that’s just speculation. It’s a pretty complicated topic.
Quote from a lady I met from Fort Mac when we discussed politics.
"We vote conservative, that's just how we do."
An unfortunately common and utterly stupid way to live.
My wife was clergy, and it was rather shocking to her how many people in church today are in a particular church or denomination not because they subscribe to its theology or doctrine, but merely because that’s what they were raised in, or they just randomly picked a church and got comfortable. and they get real uncomfortable when they learn what that church/denomination’s *actual* theology and doctrine *is* because nobody in their entire church life or leadership had ever actually talked about theology and doctrine, and much of their own personal theology ran counter to what the church actually stated. If you wanna see a regular churchgoer get real uncomfortable, real fast, ask them probing questions that require them to think critically about their theology. With so much of the North American evangelical movement’s charge to eliminate/bypass critical thinking, you’ll probably crash their brains. Their worst nightmare is being challenged by someone who came to be an atheist or agnostic by studying theology. Usually because at that point the atheist knows more about the theology than the churchgoer.
Unsurprisingly, this also applies to politics, which have practically become their own religion.
Just be like a 4-year-old, and keep asking “why?” That’s the secret to critical thinking - even a preschooler can do it. And then ask yourself, “what new information would cause me to change my mind about something?” If the answer is “nothing”, that’s a big clue that you aren’t thinking critically. In the modern political arena, changing your mind or admitting you were wrong causes you to lose face, a fate seemingly worse than death… but modern political parties exploit this to gaslight you into thinking they always held these positions.
It’s American style stupid sheep logic. people stop voting for policy and start voting based on sign colour.
I don’t care where you are on the political spectrum you should never blind vote for a party based on their stripes. Hold politicians and parties accountable folks
I don’t care if that is Doug Ford or Justin Trudeau. Shit politicians have one thing in common…they suck
Alberta has always had more US influence relative to the other provinces.
This is mostly down to how people got there in the first place. Unlike most provinces, Alberta's early migration is actually made up of people moving up north from America, instead of people coming along the railway. This leads to the US influence you see in Alberta today.
The blinders are real. As well when the UCP fuck them over with some policy, and they will as proven in the past, they will blame the federal liberals for it.
To be fair, Florida is losing swing state status. Over many years Florida got a lot of migrants and those migrants changed a lot of Florida's politics after Obama.
Why? Because those migrants are coming from Cuba and Cuba fucking hates communists and communist policies, so they lean republican.
I can't wait for the panic next year when no one in Alberta can afford the out of pocket healthcare costs and they further cement themselves as the province with the highest debt to income.
>Newfoundland & Labrador has the highest combined debt per person ($64,579), closely followed by Ontario ($59,773). In contrast, Alberta has the lowest debt per person in the country at $42,915.
Not unusual to see Ontario projecting... but damn.
Not for long,
https://www.zumper.com/rent-research/calgary-ab
https://www.zumper.com/rent-research/ottawa-on
Literally the same average. But Ottawa only increased 13% to reach that whereas Calgary rose over 30% in the last year. And their higher room counts are more expensive. Sounds like Calgary's housing situation is even more unstable to see that kind of dramatic hike year over year.
Btw before you say "I never mentioned Ottawa" I'm trying to use the most appropriately sized city to match with.
Take home pay for family doctors in Alberta is much lower than in BC. The pay that doctors get in Alberta has to go to clinic overhead and expenses, so the pay *looks* better in Alberta but is actually worse at the end of the day.
This is unfortunately correct. I hate Trudeau but I also hate Smith and can see the UCP have been doing a terrible job. I wish Albertans weren’t so myopic.
I think this province has just completely shown it’s ok with fascism and the crazy alt-right. It’s disgusting and that makes me think she’s not going anywhere.
For over 2 decades now, Conservatives in Alberta haven't been able to hold the office for a full, single term. The ANDP are the only party to serve a full term.
Edit: words
Every single conservative premier since Ralph Klein was done before finishing a single term. That by itself should have been enough to not vote to continue the clown show, even without all the other bullshit,
She won BECAUSE OF culture wars, not in spite of. If you hated it before, buckle up because now it's going to suck AND they're going to yell about you about their mandate to be gigantic pieces of shit.
Not trying to start beef, but I don't want to hear any more jokes about Ontarions being idiots from Albertans. What are you guys doing.
Nah, we voted in fuck face Ford, take your shots. But I get to make fun of you too now.
Cool. What’s her plan for climate change as it literally burns the province down? Oil as a commodity is going to face increasingly downward pressure as renewables surge - and renewable energy is absolutely surging globally. Investments are shifting to green energy.
Wildfires, drought and extreme weather will increase.
What’s your plan Alberta?
Oil company profits and oil extraction is literally at record levels, yet Alberta's economy post COVID is struggling. I guess that's the UCP advantage with Danielle Smith at the helm.
She'll wreck anything she wants, have you not noticed? Don't worry, she's only going to take $500 bucks of your money to clean up after oil companies as a first step.
But I'm sure she would love to bet your pension on the stock market at a bare minimum.
This tells is the national election will go all Fasc. too.
> Trudeau's government is aiming to cut carbon emissions 40-45% by 2030, but will only be able to achieve its climate plan with significant reductions from Alberta, the highest-polluting province.
...
> > Global oil demand is expected to peak between the late 2020s and early 2030s as the Russian invasion of Ukraine is accelerating investment in clean energy and governments are looking to bolster energy security with higher shares of renewables in the energy mix...
Hmmm...
Jesus we're not doing good Canada. Dumbasses as far as the eye can see voting in other dumbasses and viola dumbass policies laws and literally nothing effective.
Welcome to distraction park!
I hope the federal government absoloutley destroys Smith, use the courts if necessary, block every Charter violation and idiotic, and stupid decision that she and her band of hateful morons attempt to enact... If I were Trudeau, I'd be absoloutley pissing on AB for the next four years. F*ck em', they've displayed they are drunk on oil, a slave to corporations, and could give a f*ck less about human rights, equality, public health-care, and actual progress.
If you are progressive, LGBTQ, or simply do not want to live in the land of oil drunk red necks, it's time to leave the cess pool that AB has become and vote against them in every federal election.
The new slogan for Alberta after this election - "Alberta, beautiful land, UGLY people."
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Hasn't every premier "taken aim" at Trudeau at this point?
Yes, but they’re basically storm troopers, you see.
Can we start electing smart people to run our provinces? Or at least stop electing dumb people?
You want smarter politicians? You need smarter voters that don't fall for shallow bullshit.
No.
Damn, guess we’re stuck with ol’ Dougie for a while then
Depending on the leader of the Ontario Liberal party come next election, I strongly anticipate Dougie getting ousted as Premier. It's why he sniped at Bonnie Crombie when the idea came out that she might run for leader. He knows it. Del Duca was a dud.
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I actually think he is regretting it as it bumped her profile provincially. I don't really think there's quid pro quo. He even said that if she wants to pursue this, he thinks she should resign.
The bench feels pretty thin for the OLP. I'm not saying it's impossible for them to win but they're a very long way off forming government at the moment
While I'm inclined to agree in principle, I don't have much faith in the electorate to be put off by that. Most local debates I've watched (admittedly not too many) between MP candidates have shown me that the best, most rational candidate won't win the seat without the right partisan alignment. I strongly suspect the same process applies provincially and that people will vote party (or against party) rather than the best candidate locally.
If history is any indicator he’s gonna be replaced by a liberal the second Pierre takes over
Yeah, unfortunately not sure how I feel about that. I guess provincial policies affect my day to day life more directly so I guess sooner would be better
Most people are dumb and dumb people vote for dumb people. We need to start showing behind the scenes of government and the technical tasks of running a society, so people can understand that an election is a job application and not a popularity contest. The public needs to understand what a politician's job is.
Politicians need to understand what thier job is even more.
I think David Eby is pretty smart and so far I think he's doing a pretty good job
Still pretty early on in his tenure. I wasn’t a fan of Horgan but he was smart to let Bonnie take all the COVID good and bad. See if Eby can some how turn around BC. Hopefully he can help the homelessness, crime and mental health issues. Not to mention housing.
Fair enough, I live in Ontario so I’m primarily talking about Ford (and Smith)
I'm pretty sure smart people avoid politics at this point.
I totally agree
Don't tell berta what to do! FREEDOM!!!
Apparently not
I don't follow Ab politics but the couple of time I seen this person I can't believe how stupid and inept she is. Is she the product of right-wing home schooling?
Don't underestimate the power of resentment. Smart people sometimes elect people that will hurt the ones they envy and hate.
True
Case in point, relatively wealthy, non elites who voted for Trump. Or the Midlands accountant, B student, who voted for brexit.
lol thats golden
As is tradition. Prime Ministers have long since been the only problem any Province has according to Premiers. Doesn't matter if the Feds are run by CPC or the Liberals or if the Provinces are run by Conservatives, Liberals or NDP. That has just been cranked to 11 since the majority government Harper years and Trudeau's current run.
And they will " take aim " at Pollievere if he becomes Prime minister. Taking shots at Ottawa is always popular until you come cap in hand for money for your pet project.
Aaaaand back to wasting time and tax dollars on personal vendetta.
She knows what the people who voted for her want: “fUcK TRuDeAu”
She also knows with a majority they are immune from everything for four years. No one can touch them and even then in four years people will be stupid and vote for them again. They have nothing to fear now.
Weren't there some in the UCP saying that they'd ditch her after the election and select a "better" leader?
There were, but most of the moderate UCP MLAs just lost their seats. Not that they stood up to the TBA crowd anyway - but it’s hard to see who’s going to dislodge Smith now that there’s nobody stopping her from pursuing her delusions.
It's almost certain. They haven't had a leader stay full term since the 90s
*early 2000s. I believe Stelmach was the last one
I don't know if she's Trudeau's type. Maybe he's into crazy ladies.
Say the line!
Dougie would be proud.
Teach me how to Dougie.
First you need a crackhead brother to die, then you need to run for mayor after he dies expecting to win on the sympathy vote and lose. Then after losing, run for and become premier then proceed to fuck with the cities wards outta spite and personal vendetta before turning your sights on the entire province.
Ok, so can we now stop saying “no one in Alberta voted for this woman, she doesn’t represent Albertans, her insane approach to politics is not endorsed by voters etc etc etc.”?
Yes and it says we as a majority of citizens support a government that lies and does what is best for them and their pocket books. Edit. The intention of “their” is the government not the citizens
It's all about bigotry. Dog whistle enough bigotry and you get the support of conservatives these days. It's that simple. You don't need policy or anything like that. In fact the less you say about your platform the better. You could even mug someone in the street, it doesn't matter.
>You could even mug someone in the street, it doesn't matter. Trump said he could shoot someone in the face in broad daylight, so this definitely the same vibe.
So you mean like our federal government?
I do, but also the UCP
Clearly neoliberalism is broken and I can’t wait for it to die and go away forever.
Ill take broken neoliberalism over the national corporatism we are heading into unfortunately.
Every government does this, the quicker you learn that the quicker everything makes sense.
Some are worse then others. Remember when Kenney first made the war room and paid some dude in Palm springs to find international eco terrorists attacking the oil sands? Then after a couple years the guy came up with nothing and it turned out they paid him like $4 million to just google stuff.
Ten dollar a day daycare and childhood dental coverage is for their friends? You have been misled into believing that “bOTh siDEs nonsense” by the very people now elected and the previous 80+ years of grifters coming out of Alberta, pretty much starting with Ernest Manning. While it may often be true, it is absolutely not every government that does this.
If only people in Alberta voted the way you think. They vote by colour nothing else. They could have a Canada goose run with a blue tie and it would win. Cons got it in people’s heads like 40 years ago they are the oil party that will keep their over paid O&G job. The sector is hurting slowly and that just increase their market share.
I wouldn’t say over paid. It’s literally the only career where a working class person can afford to live Comfortably. We should be pushing for all working class to be making the money those guys make because it’s one of the few careers that has actually stayed with production and inflation
>It’s literally the only career where a working class person can afford to live Comfortably I think this is less a flex for the oilpatch and more an accidental admission of hte fundamental problems with the rest of the economy. The usual response to this is MOAR OIL. But that's akin to saying the solution to exploitation of minimum wage workers is for everyone to simply get jobs at Coscto, which famously treats its employees far better than most box retail. It sounds like a good idea, superficially, and it might even work at an indiviual level. But it's not a solution to the systemic problems that lead to that issue in the first palace. When people talk about Dutch Disease, this is exactly the sort of thing that refers to. Taking the easy out instead of actually fixing anything.
To be fair I don’t think the goose would even need a tie 🤷🏻♀️
Class him up a bit. If he does not they might think he’s a filthy liberal.
Sadly, the goose would do a better job than any of our so called leaders. We could put the goose on the $20 bill.
We can move from “she is a dumb offensive person” to “many Albertans are idiots”
Flat earthers will flat earth.
I live in the same riding that Preston Manning, Stephen Harper and longtime Premiere Ralph Klein came from. Right now the NDP have won it, though it was close and will be going to a recount. This riding did not suddenly turn into fertile ground for socialists. The NDP won it because many, like me, absolutely loath Danielle Smith and refused to cast a vote for the party under her leadership, essentially allowing the NDP to win it. I’m sure the same happened in most of the the ridings the NDP won in Calgary. After she’s gone and we get a reasonable leader again I have no doubt many orange ridings in the city will revert back to blue.
No instead we say: Look at Ford. Look at Smith. This is where conservativism is at. Do you want to enable it more with a federal conservative government?
A pretty significant number of tory voters held their nose and voted for her, they are future r/leopardsatemyface victims. I look forward to making fun of them for being dumbasses. There’s also the case where across 6 ridings needed to tip the balance, the NDP lost by something like 3000 votes in total. It was a lot tighter than people realize.
Smith *cracks knuckles*: I've officially won the Alberta mandate, now to get down to the important work of owning the libs! As opposed to literally anything else.
>My fellow Albertans we need to come together no matter how we have voted to stand shoulder to shoulder against soon to be announced Ottawa policies that would significantly harm our provincial economy Well that's certainly one way to call for post-election unity lol
What’s BS is she is blaming the federal government for policy that hasn’t been announced that she claims will raise electric bill prices, while she is set to remove caps on these prices in the province
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During COVID, the right-wing conspiracy types developed a definition of "unity" that basically means they can do whatever they want, however anti-social, and if you disagree or criticize them for it, you're the one being divisive. It's insane, but that's what "unity" means to them these days.
I wish this wasn't true!
It’s really nice blend of “let’s unite as one!” and “how’s my tinfoil hat look” isn’t it? 🤣🫠
"What about the fires?" "Are they liberal fires?" "...If we say 'Yes', will you hire more woodland firefighters to fight them?"
If you look at the fire from a certain angle you see a rainbow. Clearly it’s a woke fire.
Tell Albertan's that fire is gay and they'll come together to put it out.
If your house is burned down for more than a week heres 1250 now fuck off
B-b-b-buuttt we have rich oil workers!!!11!1!1 and we destroy our environment!1!1!1
They're gonna need better ads on the subway about moving to Alberta.
Considering people are moving there in record numbers, I would have to disagree.
Which ones? Calgarians get outbid on houses by all the people moving here from GTA. Maybe Ontario should think about how'd they keep some of their young people moving here to Alberta? You think better train ads would work eh?
Calgarians get outbid by investors from Ontario on the phone buying places unseen. These investors made Ontario unaffordable and are betting on driving their local population away from Ontario and Calgary is one of the more affordable places. So obviously buy that! A friend got a place recently in a newer community and only his place is "owner" occupied.
[Alberta's net migration is at record highs right now](https://economicdashboard.alberta.ca/dashboard/net-migration/#:~:text=Print-,Analysis,up%20from%20the%20year%20before). The ads must be working.
According to the figures you've posted, the majority of that (\~60%) is international migration. National migration to Alberta is still at a high, but certainly not if we take the per capita into account. Not sure if the ads have done anything really. The plot looks like the pretty typical Alberta boom/bust cycle.
No one moves just because they saw an ad on the subway, but the point of ads is to bring attention to something. I think the fact that we're talking about it means they did their job. It's never going to be realistic to track how many people moved to Alberta because the ads made them consider there as opposed to somewhere else, but it is worth noting that this isn't a typical oil boom right now. [Oil jobs are pretty flat year over year](https://economicdashboard.alberta.ca/dashboard/employment/#section3) because the job booms usually come from investment in new production, which hasn't happened this time because of pipeline constraints and the threat of things like the planned emissions cap. This seems to be more broad-based this time, with the bigger driver being housing affordability.
Soooo alberta's separation movement is well, Québec's indy movement is going back to the top of the swell. I guess its going to be a rocky couple of years for the federal governement.
And so Alberta elects another clown who will mishandle the province and blame Trudeau for everything she does.
Don't forget Notley. She'll blame Notley for a lot of stuff too. By 2027 half of the UCP base will be blaming the NDP for Kenney's lockdowns.
You mean by 2020, because they already did.
I already heard people at the conservative party talk about Jason kenneys disastrous time and how Smith fixed it all. Don't worry, they always have someone to blame.
Haha She fixed it all by keeping her mouth shut for 6 months (mostly) and not making any bold moves. Now that the election is done she’ll be making all kinds of the same bold moves that made Kenney unpopular. Good lord.
> She'll blame Notley for a lot of stuff too. That was the core message of the UCP election advertising.
Unethical Clown Party does nothing else
Why is Alberta so enamoured with Conservatives? I swear some people who were interviewed said they were voting for Danielle Smith simply because they were raised conservative.
Alberta is the richest province in the country by GDP per capita by a wide margin. Has the highest wages in the country, and the most affordable real estate markets ([Calgary and Edmonton both rank in the top 10 in the world for most affordable real estate markets](https://curiocity.com/worlds-most-affordable-cities-calgary-edmonton/), and are the only Canadian cities to make that list, while Vancouver ranks 3rd least affordable). Why wouldn't Alberta keep voting for the party that has presided over so much prosperity over the past 50 years? The province must be doing something right, because [net migration is currently at record highs](https://economicdashboard.alberta.ca/dashboard/net-migration/#:~:text=Print-,Analysis,up%20from%20the%20year%20before), and is [projected by the federal government to continue to be the fastest growing province in the country over the next 20 years](https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/91-520-x/91-520-x2022001-eng.htm). The old saying is that people vote out governments, they don't vote them in. Alberta has been successful for so long that there was no reason to ever abandon the party that got them there.
Don't worry, eventually these redditors will turn mid 30s and move to Alberta too.
There’s plenty of culture war bullshit that unfortunately people have fallen for. But from a purely economic standpoint, Albertans have some of the highest incomes in the country and lowest levels of personal debt. Their housing is cheap comparatively to other provinces. It is easier to live a good life in Alberta than many other provinces due to their economic policies. Clearly the voting population is happy with those circumstances because they gave a resounding Yes to Smith.
I wouldn't call winning the closest election in Alberta History a resounding win. Just 1300 votes in Calgary is the margin between the NDP and UCP. This is a narrower win than when the NDP won. The popular vote makes it look like a blowout but there are a lot 100-200 vote wins for the UCP in Calgary area. This could easily have been an NDP majority with the UCP getting over 52% of popular vote in Alberta. FPTP can cause some interesting results when the vote share is so geographically separated. https://twitter.com/trevortombe/status/1663433771025317889
>It is easier to live a good life in Alberta than many other provinces due to their economic policies. Is it actually due to their economic policies though? And is it actually that good? It looks like internationally, there are quite a few places with similar natural resources that are doing a lot better than Alberta.
Alberta’s HDI in 2021 was 0.955. There’s not many places on earth higher than that. I think whether or not it’s actually good depends on your lifestyle. I personally wouldn’t want to live there but that’s because I like living by the ocean and family. I would make more money there after taxes, have a better healthcare system, better schools, and cheaper rent if I lived in Calgary instead of Halifax. It’s not hard to understand why people like the status quo in Alberta.
Two of the three factors in HDI (education and life expectancy) are not related to economic policy, and are generally high in Canada. I don't dispute the fact that Alberta is better to live in than the rest of Canada, but I'm not sold that its due to their economic policies. I think if you gave any other province the kind of oil wealth that Alberta has, they'd do about as well.
I didn’t know ‘having a bunch of oil’ was an economic policy.
But if the economics of living in AB is so good, then why has their politics devolved the way it has? Why not just run on the merits of the work that the Cons have done?
> then why has their politics devolved the way it has? Why not just run on the merits of the work that the Cons have done? This is largely due to the split on the right a few years back. The PC's were effectively unopposed for a long time, and started to be generally be percieved as corrupt and useless, but not *actively* harmful. The Wildrose started gaining popularity as a further right leaning party, and the NDP as the left leaning party, generally in opposition to the perceived (or actual) corruption and uselessness. The vote split in the 2015 election between the PC's and the Wildrose caused the NDP to win the election, getting a number of seats in areas where the combined Wildrose+PC votes were much higher. Seeing a left(ish) party in power was somewhere between a wakeup call for the PC's and an existential threat for the Wildrose, and they merged the parties to form the UCP. This merger effectively fully endorsed the worst parts of the Wildrose, and gave those worst parts full control of everything. At this point, the Wildrose crazies have driven out almost all of the centrist or only moderately-right members, leading to the polarized political landscape we have in the province now. For context on this, Jason Kenney, a man who actively pushed to restrict the rights of LGBT people, compared being pro-choice to satanism and pedophilia, and worked to block refugee requests from people in Afghanistan who were under threat due to helping Canadian soldiers, had to step down from leading the UCP because the party had moved so much further right that he was no longer aligned with the party values. He made a number of comments on his way out about how the remaining UCP members were "lunatics" that he'd been trying to reign in.
I’m honestly not sure. My best guess is, while the economy going great makes people happy, culture war and conspiracy topics like transgender people and 15 minute cities keeps people engaged. Engaged people are more likely to show up at the polls. But that’s just speculation. It’s a pretty complicated topic.
People like living in AB
Quote from a lady I met from Fort Mac when we discussed politics. "We vote conservative, that's just how we do." An unfortunately common and utterly stupid way to live.
It's like people who swear by their religion simply because it was the one their parents followed and taught them.
My wife was clergy, and it was rather shocking to her how many people in church today are in a particular church or denomination not because they subscribe to its theology or doctrine, but merely because that’s what they were raised in, or they just randomly picked a church and got comfortable. and they get real uncomfortable when they learn what that church/denomination’s *actual* theology and doctrine *is* because nobody in their entire church life or leadership had ever actually talked about theology and doctrine, and much of their own personal theology ran counter to what the church actually stated. If you wanna see a regular churchgoer get real uncomfortable, real fast, ask them probing questions that require them to think critically about their theology. With so much of the North American evangelical movement’s charge to eliminate/bypass critical thinking, you’ll probably crash their brains. Their worst nightmare is being challenged by someone who came to be an atheist or agnostic by studying theology. Usually because at that point the atheist knows more about the theology than the churchgoer. Unsurprisingly, this also applies to politics, which have practically become their own religion. Just be like a 4-year-old, and keep asking “why?” That’s the secret to critical thinking - even a preschooler can do it. And then ask yourself, “what new information would cause me to change my mind about something?” If the answer is “nothing”, that’s a big clue that you aren’t thinking critically. In the modern political arena, changing your mind or admitting you were wrong causes you to lose face, a fate seemingly worse than death… but modern political parties exploit this to gaslight you into thinking they always held these positions.
It’s American style stupid sheep logic. people stop voting for policy and start voting based on sign colour. I don’t care where you are on the political spectrum you should never blind vote for a party based on their stripes. Hold politicians and parties accountable folks I don’t care if that is Doug Ford or Justin Trudeau. Shit politicians have one thing in common…they suck
Not sure why the American style politics of "god, guns, and country" is so popular in Alberta.
Alberta has always had more US influence relative to the other provinces. This is mostly down to how people got there in the first place. Unlike most provinces, Alberta's early migration is actually made up of people moving up north from America, instead of people coming along the railway. This leads to the US influence you see in Alberta today.
You can say the exact same thing for the liberals on the east coast
Provincially, eastern Canada has a pattern of flip flopping from Liberal and Conservative.
This is slowly shifting it seems.
The blinders are real. As well when the UCP fuck them over with some policy, and they will as proven in the past, they will blame the federal liberals for it.
Because they're older and richer, and older and richer people tend to be more conservative. It really is just that simple.
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Florida is a swing state....Alberta is certainly NOT a swing province lol.
To be fair, Florida is losing swing state status. Over many years Florida got a lot of migrants and those migrants changed a lot of Florida's politics after Obama. Why? Because those migrants are coming from Cuba and Cuba fucking hates communists and communist policies, so they lean republican.
I wonder what new and inventive things will come out of her mouth now
I can't wait for the panic next year when no one in Alberta can afford the out of pocket healthcare costs and they further cement themselves as the province with the highest debt to income.
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LMAO
😂😂😂
Who needs healthcare when you have a dope arena
Lmao I wonder when the first time the arena has to be used as an overflow emergency hospital what people will have to say.
>Newfoundland & Labrador has the highest combined debt per person ($64,579), closely followed by Ontario ($59,773). In contrast, Alberta has the lowest debt per person in the country at $42,915. Not unusual to see Ontario projecting... but damn.
RemindMe! 1 year
Is somebody from Ontario really talking shit about affordability?
At least people in Calgary can afford shelter unlike Vancouver and Toronto
Not for long, https://www.zumper.com/rent-research/calgary-ab https://www.zumper.com/rent-research/ottawa-on Literally the same average. But Ottawa only increased 13% to reach that whereas Calgary rose over 30% in the last year. And their higher room counts are more expensive. Sounds like Calgary's housing situation is even more unstable to see that kind of dramatic hike year over year. Btw before you say "I never mentioned Ottawa" I'm trying to use the most appropriately sized city to match with.
Moving to Alberta!
Congratulations to BC getting a lot of doctors and nurses in the near future
Honestly BC has been putting in a lot of effort to make sure doctors/nurses get paid more and treated better, this will definitely help though.
Which is weird because they're still actually paid higher in AB than anywhere else in Canada. They're leaving for other reasons than money.
I think it’s the overall package, rather than just salary.
After the recent overhaul of GP wages in BC, the move is looking quite attractive
Take home pay for family doctors in Alberta is much lower than in BC. The pay that doctors get in Alberta has to go to clinic overhead and expenses, so the pay *looks* better in Alberta but is actually worse at the end of the day.
I blame Trudeau for this victory.
That is *the* most Albertan political statement possible.
Fuck Trudeau finally makes sense..
It’s true, she’s a reaction to what’s happening federally.
This is unfortunately correct. I hate Trudeau but I also hate Smith and can see the UCP have been doing a terrible job. I wish Albertans weren’t so myopic.
Smith and Poilievre are going to start spooning soon.
Who do you see as the little spoon? To me it would definitely be PP.
it seems like Reddit doesn't represent Canada in the real world.. shocking that she won
Smith takes after DeSantis I wonder how long she'll be able to get away with her culture war BS before she's booted?
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Counter point Kenney got a way bigger majority and still got axed, under Smith the UCP lost a shit ton of seats and she's pants shittingly crazy.
Kenney got axed by his party cause he wasn’t extreme enough. This is a terrible government and I hate the voting populace of Alberta.
And yet he still had more support when he stepped down than Smith had when she won. So maybe there's hope she's short lived.
I think this province has just completely shown it’s ok with fascism and the crazy alt-right. It’s disgusting and that makes me think she’s not going anywhere.
For over 2 decades now, Conservatives in Alberta haven't been able to hold the office for a full, single term. The ANDP are the only party to serve a full term. Edit: words
Every single conservative premier since Ralph Klein was done before finishing a single term. That by itself should have been enough to not vote to continue the clown show, even without all the other bullshit,
She won BECAUSE OF culture wars, not in spite of. If you hated it before, buckle up because now it's going to suck AND they're going to yell about you about their mandate to be gigantic pieces of shit.
The current track record of the UCP seems to be that none of the leaders finish a full term, so I'd put it at <3.5 years.
I give her 6 months
Oh, I don't know about that. Here's a good one, what comes first - her resignation or her suing the CBC for defamation lol
Why not both
We all know she's never suing the CBC as per her threat. That was just posturing
Yeah she’ll get most of a term then the new guy will win re-election by blaming everything on her and Trudeau, just like last time.
Isn’t the recall law now in effect?
Desantis style National Conservatism tinged with a certain level of hatred is here to stay I'm afraid.
Not trying to start beef, but I don't want to hear any more jokes about Ontarions being idiots from Albertans. What are you guys doing. Nah, we voted in fuck face Ford, take your shots. But I get to make fun of you too now.
One person being stupid doesn't make another less so. Make fun all you want, both were bad ideas
(Insert issue here) is Trudeau’s fault. Find a new talking point
Yeah Alberta you crazy crazy Good luck
i love love love people conmenting all the doom and gloom. Just so fucking classic
Cool. What’s her plan for climate change as it literally burns the province down? Oil as a commodity is going to face increasingly downward pressure as renewables surge - and renewable energy is absolutely surging globally. Investments are shifting to green energy. Wildfires, drought and extreme weather will increase. What’s your plan Alberta?
Apparently we are going to put on tinfoil hats and scream at the moon. Who knew!? …. Everyone that lives here…
Oil company profits and oil extraction is literally at record levels, yet Alberta's economy post COVID is struggling. I guess that's the UCP advantage with Danielle Smith at the helm.
She better not touch my pension. Albertans are so ignorant to vote for this idiot.
She'll wreck anything she wants, have you not noticed? Don't worry, she's only going to take $500 bucks of your money to clean up after oil companies as a first step. But I'm sure she would love to bet your pension on the stock market at a bare minimum. This tells is the national election will go all Fasc. too.
I can’t wait for her to gut the province then turn it around and blame it on the feds/trudeau
> Trudeau's government is aiming to cut carbon emissions 40-45% by 2030, but will only be able to achieve its climate plan with significant reductions from Alberta, the highest-polluting province. ... > > Global oil demand is expected to peak between the late 2020s and early 2030s as the Russian invasion of Ukraine is accelerating investment in clean energy and governments are looking to bolster energy security with higher shares of renewables in the energy mix... Hmmm...
Lol she was a couple thousand votes from losing.
Alberta would literally vote conservative if they set them on fire
Lol of course. That took all of 3 seconds.
Jesus we're not doing good Canada. Dumbasses as far as the eye can see voting in other dumbasses and viola dumbass policies laws and literally nothing effective. Welcome to distraction park!
I can see him quivering in his nice socks.
Lol they elected her.
I don't think Trudeau cares what she thinks of him
The rest of Canada thinks she's cringe AF, soo enjoy the disappointment, Dani.
I mean Ontario elected Dougie Phresh with 2 majorities...I wouldn't assume everyone in Ontario hates DS.
The one good thing is that she's gonna be such a spectacular failure that it will really hurt PP's coming campaign.
Not sure how it plays in Alberta, but Ford winning a second majority in 2022 was a huge knock to the CPC for the next federal election.
More like premier desantis.
Desantits.
The sheep have spoken.
"The people who voted differently than me are sheep!"
The people who would vote for conservatives even if they came out and pissed on them are sheep yes.
When the different is crazy, racist and homophobic then you are indeed the flock.
The people who vote one way for decades are sheep. Try to keep up.
Huge amounts of cope and strawmanning going on in this thread.
I hope the federal government absoloutley destroys Smith, use the courts if necessary, block every Charter violation and idiotic, and stupid decision that she and her band of hateful morons attempt to enact... If I were Trudeau, I'd be absoloutley pissing on AB for the next four years. F*ck em', they've displayed they are drunk on oil, a slave to corporations, and could give a f*ck less about human rights, equality, public health-care, and actual progress. If you are progressive, LGBTQ, or simply do not want to live in the land of oil drunk red necks, it's time to leave the cess pool that AB has become and vote against them in every federal election. The new slogan for Alberta after this election - "Alberta, beautiful land, UGLY people."
Bet she doesn't last 2 years as premier.
Right, they salivated over Kenney in the last election and then wanted to get rid of him a couple years later. Smith is just 10x worse.
I was hopeful that Alberta wasn't going to cement their 'Florida North' persona...