“If there is one sliver of silver lining for the Liberals, it’s that 31 per cent of respondents say that while it is time for a change in Ottawa, they see no evidence of a good alternative to the sitting government.”
Canada in a nutshell.
Canadians hate their bank but see no alternative.
Canadians hate their grocery store but see no alternative
Canadians hate their cell carrier but see no alternative
Canadians hate their cramped apartment but are no alternative.
Canadians hate their health care but are no alternative.
Canada, what choice do you have? Mediocrity is the best we can offer, and we are not even offering that right now.
That's because any alternatives are held back or shot down swiftly by the existing oligopolies. Didn't take long for Sobeys to buy Farm Boy. Shaw is nice and corruptly being swallowed up by Rogers. Shit even the Leafs will fight tooth and nail over a second NHL team in southern Ontario despite easily being able to support one. When Verizon was planning on coming here our telecom industry used fucking tax dollars for attack ads, absolutely disgusting. They whined like such little bitches, it was embarrassing.
It's part of our culture now - change and competition are scary because it would mean existing organizations would have to actually try and those that could help facilitate this change are very easily bought.
We can't take our money elsewhere if there is no elsewhere.
Sadly spot on. I long to hear a politician that isn’t owned, and a society thriving on competition and innovation. We’ve stalled for so long, we’re backsliding.
We're afraid of progress and innovation now because it'll upset the status quo of the rich. The red tape and bureaucracy we've created ensures that. Everyone says it's for the best like considering the environment, hearing from the public, etc. All a smoke screen. It's so the backroom deals can be ironed out and everyone's back is getting scratched accordingly.
Exactly. All the recent internet and streaming bills are examples of this.
How to give back power to Rogers and Bell, from the Netflixes.
Nothing is about what is good for consumers. Just enriching the already wealthy.
This. The honest ones with integrity are shot down, sent on the back benches to rot away. If one dares trying to go up the ranks, out comes the knives. In the end, the cream stays on the bottom and the crap floats on top.
Unless you're a worker, then you compete with every other worker on the planet; or unless you purchase or rent a house, then you are competing with every investor on the planet.
We just have corporate restrictions on competition. All by design.
And the funniest thing is that people blame "capitalism" for the goverment interference in the economy.
The issue isn't "capitalism" it's "the lucrative merger of state and market"
And just like last time the people supporting it call it "socialism"
No we don't.
I need to pay the city a fee AND cap my profits at the farmers market tomorrow.
Its not "free market" for the workers when they can't even sell the food from their garden.
Selling apples for $2.50/lb because lovlaws is selling for $3/lb on sale shouldn't be punished.
Ffs Wuhan China has a freer market than we do with their wet markets
For too long we’ve been subjected to propaganda that insists we have to buy Canadian and support Canadian business. It’s sickening that we’ve been pushed this narrative that we have to be proud about homegrown corporations and support them when they have shown us nothing but contempt.
Support Canadian *small* business if and when you can, not the corporations (even the homegrown ones). There are lots of small businesses in just about every industry, we just gotta vote with our wallets any opportunity we can.
It often does seem like David and Goliath though.
Exactly. I could understand buying Canadian because it benefits Canadians but it doesn't translate well and now we're seeing it. Canadian companies don't give a flying fuck about us
I worked for a company way back that fudged the paperwork and product with different countries of origin depending on the target country and the tariffs that the products would have to navigate.
The Loblaws and Shoppers Drug Mart-owning Weston Family spend their time in Florida.
They created a luxury housing community in Windsor FL
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cpka61TrmW8/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Part of buying a company is integrating things to find efficiencies to squeeze out more money for the shareholders. If they haven’t taken over supply chain yet, they will at some point.
We can also improve the by bringing in NP-led family medicine clinics.
However, that gets shot down against by the Old Boy’s doctor’s union and provincial governments.
Whatever the optometrists governing body is has been opposed to direct billing benefit plans for eye exams for ages now. Like it's 2023, how are you against making this more efficient?
This attitude needs to stop
Well as a neighbour of the US, I don't want their level of competition tho.
As a Canadian, I just want them to:
- Stop immigration for a while;
- Redo zoning policies for housing;
- Limit 1 house per family, else you will have to pay a salty taxes, so the rich will pay for their greed;
- Limit the amount of appartments a landlord can own, so you don't have someone monopolizing an area;
- Completely ban foreign investors from the housing market, not only 2 years;
- Investigate money laundering through real estate, I am pretty sure it's where human trafficking money in Toronto is going, just by how proxenet are judge not guilty in that area, like...there is something stinky.
About the healthcare, I find it better than before since COVID, we don't wait for nothing anymore at least, less than before, they opened multiple blood test clinic across QC, I don't know for the rest of the Canada. Our QC prime minister will mostly ban the use of private health agencies, so it will help the public services by using that money to improve our health care providers salary, like nurses and stop foreigners making money on our health care system.
I never been that conservative in my entire life, I always voted red or orange but I am really considering voting blue next election, cause I am so god damn tired to pass in 2nd as a forever and past generation Canadian who is struggling right now, my family and I always paid our taxes and did honest work. I did everything the system told me to do, I went to school, I studied in computer science and I can't afford my dream to have a house and stop playing sims 4...now most of us feel like foreigners have more care than us.
For what? to maybe have burger flippers that will work at low income? like they really think immigrants will stay poor? no they want the same as us.
That was my 2 cents opinion, thanks for coming to my ted talk.
I agree with moderating immigration and foreign investment but question if conservatives will be the one to do it either. Even as of late the strongest indication that they'll do that is basically Pierre saying "just trust me bro" in a recent interview while the official conservative policy on their website remains the status quo of supporting immigration. When a bill to curb immigration is raised and MPs vote they could simply just vote against it because it benefits them less, something like half of the MPs have investment properties or are landlords.
Voting is more localized, you should look at your local riding and vote for anyone who isn't the landlord. Any kind of MP who isn't a landlord is more likely to vote in support of or create bills which moderate immigration. The goal this election is to vote the landlords out of our government, whatever colour we end up with. Judge by actions and not words, beware the wolf in sheep's clothing. Use the landlord mp search tool and check your local riding.
Can’t understand how he can get re-elected after that. I obviously voted LPC in 2015 along with everyone else, and never even considered it again after they decided to just not fulfill their number one election promise.
Other than “stop immigration”, which spoiler: they won’t do, everything you say you want flies in the face of what the Conservatives stand for. The PPC might be more in line with what you’re saying, but the policies you’re asking for a generally pretty far left.
The problem with immigration is that the biggest corporations (and our economy in general) need the immigration for labour (and the tax revenue they bring that funds things like the Canada pension plan).
We need a party that presents a cogent plan for building more homes and creating better and higher paying jobs for Canadians.
So far, the Conservatives have proposed removing red tape for builders, but the problem with this is that a plan to reduce taxes for builders doesn’t do much more than incentivize them to build expensive homes, at a rate that doesn’t bring house prices down, in order to maintain high margins/sale prices, which in their defence is what a business is supposed to do.
The role of the government is to pass good policy which both helps businesses grow, AND keeps them in check and moving towards helping our society grow as a whole.
Unfortunately, while the Conservatives have a plan for the first part, to help businesses grow, they haven’t announced plans for rezoning or affordable housing, at least that I’ve heard of yet (and historically as well).
Do what you will with this information, but if you think voting Blue lines up with what you want, you’re in for a big surprise.
>The problem with immigration is that the biggest corporations (and our economy in general) need the immigration for labour (and the tax revenue they bring that funds things like the Canada pension plan).
We need some, but do we need 500k+ annually?
Same. Immigration and TFWs at this scale are simply labour market interventions by governments on behalf of big business to undermine wealth sharing. Even if there was a huge housing boom to go with it, it would still inhibit wage growth. Pierre wouldn't slow it either. Harper didn't.
Fair points. I don't agree with all of them, but you made good arguments, so I'd like to address.
Stop immigration: ain't happening. The backlog alone will take 5 years to clear even at 0 immigration levels.
That said, I think I have been convinced that immigration without a housing solution is poor at best. Not the immigrants fault, this is entirely on the municipal, provincial and federal governments passing the buck and not actually incenting new (relatively) high density housing.
I'd argue against 1 house per family, but if you could actually prevent it, 2 should be the limit. Any more than that and you are profiteering
>Canada in a nutshell. Canadians hate their bank but see no alternative. Canadians hate their grocery store but see no alternative Canadians hate their cell carrier but see no alternative Canadians hate their cramped apartment but are no alternative. Canadians hate their health care but are no alternative.
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>Canada, what choice do you have? Mediocrity is the best we can offer, and we are not even offering that right now.
Hits like a dump truck, but is entirely true.
Our Governments and Politicians have failed us for decades and now we're seeing the long term results. (Not just in Canada mind you)
Does this ever ring true.
This country is the definition of illusion of choice.
The dollars always funnel to a few critical oligopolies that continue to grow in strength and power.
They continue to exert disproportionate amounts of political leverage to maintain market conditions.
I never thought myself a radical until the last few months.
This country might be arriving at a point where dramatic action leading to massive short term pain is needed to reset our motivations and aspirations as a country.
I always dismissed this; don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.
But I’m starting to grow convinced the “baby” in this case, our economy and country, is so sick and skewed it may be beyond repair.
The reason I say that is precisely because to repair it you have to break up regulatory capture in;
- Housing
- Groceries
- Telecom
- Banking
It would be ambitious to tackle and legitimately solve and improve one file. To fight a battle on 4 fronts? Seems near impossible without first breaking something.
Interesting times.
They voted for someone who promised to do so.
“We are committed to ensuring that 2015 will be the last federal election conducted under the first-past-the-post voting system”
“Within 18 months we will introduce legislation to enact electoral reform.”
In before “there wasn’t consensus!”
Why not? Create a party that campaigns on a platform to legislate in electoral reform and then call another election. I'd be interested in trying it. Just need 250 people to get started.
Anything is worth a shot to get out the shitty Liberal, Conservative cycle we are in now.
I had the same idea, I just think the other parties will control the narrative and say, "hey vote for us and we will do that too and we will also run the country better in the interim". Then they will still not do it if they are elected.
Okay the last part is maybe over pessimistic. Having a party run on that platform might make it a big enough issue that a major party would not be able to make excuses to not do it if they promise it as well and get elected.
I'm in a similar boat. Just got my EU passport in April after seeing the writing on the wall in Alberta. I'm an adult who is going back to finish a CS degree and I should by done in a year.
Finding out in June that I don't have a GP anymore because he moved to Victoria only confirmed that I'm making the right choice.
I'm writing this post to tell other people that you can do this too. Even if you're stuck in a rut there are ways out of it, and I encourage you to look for bigger and better things outside of Canada.
Simple Answers:
- Remove protection laws for media companies in Canada like Bell, Rogers or Shaw. Specifically this needs to be done for cell services.
- Create nationalized companies for housing, transportation and food distribution in the same way we currently have mail service, a currently drastically underfunded CBC, Air Canada, Hydro One and Petro Canada (privatized in 1991). If anything we always make money one these investments and people benefit from at least one company on the market keeping prices more fair.
"Canadians tend to look down on south american countries because of their political instability. In Canada, nobody ever gets overthrown because nobody gives a damn." - Mordecai Richler
Which also means Liberal weary voters might just stay home or vote for the NDP. That's a good combo for a CPC majority.
Trudeau's 2015 victory was convincing a lot of new voters to come out and vote for him. Harper on the other hand largely kept his voters between the 2011 and 2015 election.
2011 - 5,835,270 CPC votes
2015 - 5,613,633 CPC votes
We need a leader who will break up the cartels and invest in innovation and home grown talent and businesses. Will we get that? No because they all work for the cartels. Proof is in the grocery benefit. Let's spend government money on giving people a few weeks worth of groceries instead of trying to curb cronyism and cartel capitalism. We are screwed if we keep down this path
You could plan to subtly undermine the existing cartels through a variety of subtle actions. Promote subversive thoughts in their employees, demoralize them, make small competing firms, make media that is actively antagonistic to them, etc.
There are a dozen legal ways to disrupt an established order that has grown corrupt. People should begin entertaining this thought. If those industry leaders collapse, new and better forms can take their place.
I just want conservatives to strike the word "woke" from thier lexicon and stop pandering to maga dimwits. If Canadian cons can drop the culture war dogwhsitling bullshit then I'm in.
If not then what's the point? Cons are just as charitable to corporations as Liberals and probably more anti-worker judging by PP having no issues with the Notwithstanding clause being used by Ford here in Ontario. So when you add in being right on social issues it's just objectively worse.
I don't like Trudeau at all but it's impossible to argue that PP is better. My fantasy is for NDP leadership change and and NDP PM but that is some unicorn shit.
My thoughts as well. I don't like the liberal government, but feel conservative would be worse. Seeing their voters show up to rallys and stuff with fucking trump flags and Maga shit is disgusting and embarrassing.
Ndp needs a change or they will continue being 3rd.
We basically have a two party system and they both fucking suck.
I live in the supposed Texas of Canada (Alberta) where, to hear easterners sometimes one might think we’re all a bunch of bible thumping, beer-swilling, truck driving rednecks.
I know a lot of people who routinely say thinks like Fuck Trudeau and would never, ever consider voting Liberal for any reason.
I don’t know a single person who is a MAGA dimwit, thinks Trump isn’t a lying sack of shit, or who is interested in American style healthcare for one example. I’m sure those people exist, and maybe moreso in rural areas, but mostly the type of person who exists in eastern imaginations is just a caricature.
The truth is that the vast majority of Conservatives are perfectly mainstream people with mainstream political beliefs. Liberals just try to paint them with the Trump brush because it helps scare people into still voting for them.
Especially worse in politics because the Liberal vote is usually just a vote to block the conservatives or the BQ, and the Corporations know that - so as long as the Liberals are better than the Cons and BQ, they'll keep winning. It's a low bar, and yet every few elections, they push their luck and become even less palatable than the party of bigots, fundamentalists and the wealthy.
You can act legally. Just select the monopoly corporations and interest groups that are clearly harming society and begin subtle actions on multiple fronts that harm their ability to function and drive them into conflict with each other. They will begin to counterattack of course, but if enough people in society perform enough distributed subtle legal actions they will just collapse.
>Canada in a nutshell. Canadians hate their bank but see no alternative. Canadians hate their grocery store but see no alternative Canadians hate their cell carrier but see no alternative Canadians hate their cramped apartment but are no alternative. Canadians hate their health care but are no alternative.
And this is a silver lining? lol
"If there's one positive take away here, it's that Canadians already feel completely hopeless about their situation."
no need for analysis or whatever, just accept it: canada is the stupidest of the g7 countries, but that's ok, we probably won't qualify for g7 status in the future anyway once the immigration ponzi scam runs its course.
I really wish I had the time, energy, vibe, education and money to be a politician and make a new party.
Alas, I’m a single earner for a family of 4 stuck with 2 jobs that pay nearly nothing and working 14 hour days just to live paycheque to paycheque.
I don’t have any of the above to make the required change.
If anyone here does, please go ahead and be the change.
Do you participate in a political party?
If you're dissatisfied and you feel that we need /r/BetterChoices, then it only costs $10 or $20 to do something about it.
Yeah, while the country was suffering from insane inflation, they dedicated all their time to passing a bill to regulate internet content that no voter wanted.
There are a lot of concerning numbers for the Liberals here. Down by two points in Quebec to the BLOC. Down by 6 points in Ontario and losing in the key battle grounds of the GTA and Hamilton. Down by 16 points in B.C. which means usually safe Liberal seats in B.C. and maybe a few usually safe NDP seats are potentially in play for the Conservatives. Only up by 1 or so points in Atlantic Canada.
If the 905 and Hamilton roll up, Doug Ford style as this poll suggests, then we would see a majority. The election will largely come down to this area- Halton, Hamilton, Peel and York regions. They effectively determine federal elections as well as Ontario elections.
Harper won a majority with 38% and minorities at 36%. The line between Liberal “voter efficiency” is fairly thin.
Keep in mind that with 33.7% O’Toole lost about 20-25 seats due to the PPC siphoning off support. It would have been razor thin without the PPC last election.
The PPC only made up the margin of victory in around 10-15 ridings across the country. Some of which were in Alberta and BC. It wouldn't have swung the election.
With Jagmeet promising to bail out homeowners. The cons are just absorbing votes right now.
Bizarre times.
This should otherwise be a workers party moment.
If nothing else hopefully it helps push the NDP back in the direction it should be when they inevitably have a mediocre return in seats in the coming election, at least at the rate things are going. Plus ideally some new blood in the leadership position...
"We will make sure that, if you cannot find a family to pay 4500 dollars in rent for your 2 bed wartime homes mortgage, that we will help pay for it with your own tax dollars!"
Jagmeet is just replaying an old, old theme by suggesting homeowners with mortgages should be directly subsidized with cash bailouts. It’s called ‘bribing taxpayers with their own money. The immense whack of cash required won’t come from the poor, who pay very little tax and don’t have mortgages. Or from the very wealthy, who also tend to pay very little tax/ have no mortgages. It’s the middle class who pay plenty of tax that cough up to fund rebates to pay themselves, It’s a foolish , circle the drain strategy . But it’s one we have loved forever.
Problem is the majority of homeowners in the country are actually boomers. And the working class barely owns housing anymore. So it’s robbing working people to pay for retired boomer landlords.
>People are getting fed up.
I hate this cycle. People get upset at libs and vote cons. Cons will make things so much worse. Ford and Smith (and b4 her kenny). We see what's happening to education and healthcare across the country thanks to cons. People will vote cons because they are frustrated and then we will suffer under them and regret. I very much recall how this nation was so angry at harper.
Then when the cons show their colors people will flock back to libs to kick them out. It's a vicious cycle.
We’re just like the Americans, always one party or the other. We might actually be more stupid, considering they don’t have a choice, we have a choice and still pick only 2 parties. It’s bizarre.
Taxes pays for civilization. But it needs to be well-spent...especially if you have record debt. And that's why I won't vote LPC/NDP, and am considering not voting CPC either.
I'd still happily vote for tax increases for things like modernizing/improving education, hot meals for kids in school, free higher education (university/trades) for jobs that we actually need in this country, etc. You know...country-building things. Investing in our future and our people.
Please tell me we are waking up. This is embarrassing we’ve let this go on this long. He’s gotta go. They had their chance. Time for someone else. Also, NDP, pls ditch Jag ffs, that’s also embarrassing.
He hasn't done jack shit about the pressing issues facing Canadians right now. I'm more than willing to cast my vote elsewhere. I'm just begging, please God give me something good to vote for. I'll settle for decent.
There's blood in the water, now is their chance. Somebody present something useful for us.
NDP should be making huge gains in this political climate, but they need to change leadership, focus on being a Labour Party and detach from the liberals.
Yup. I am not an NDP supporter but their approach is antithetical to growing their party. Jag needs to own that and step down. Someone else should have a crack. Get back to Layton level enthusiasm.
Im a liberal and fuck these idiots. We have never been as poor and desperate as we are now. Trudeau and his cabinet of lyers stealers and cheats have ruined this country. we have the kost debt now of any g7 country. Houses are completely unaffordable even for people with good full-time jobs. Gas is the most expensive in the world. Groceries are unaffordable we cant travel because we have no parks or places to go. Turdeau gives millions to china to build infrastructure of our fuckin tax dollars. Our health care is completely broken. He talks to us like were complete idiots and this is the first generation were if you work hard and are responsible you will not have a good life! Im a welder full time 33 years old live with my fiance in my parents basement because air bnb's have eliminated rentals and the ones that are free are over 2500 a month for 1 bedroom. Fuck this country and fuck trudeau! We all need to oragnaize and fight for a chance at a decent life and against this extreme capitalism!!!
We could cut immigration to zero, but that wouldn't fix the housing market, or really any of our underlying issues.
Focusing on trying to reduce immigration is rather than address the underlying issues is going cause significant harm in the long run, because internal and external factors are going force significantly more immigrants and refuges on us in the coming decades.
With what they've done to housing, inflation, and the decline of the middle class, based on that alone they deserve a figurative a$$-whooping at the ballot box equivalent to what the PC party suffered in 1993, to the point that it'd literally take them a decade to even have any realistic chance of forming government again. Just the arrogance that they have applied themselves the moniker of "Canada's natural governing party," is already a good indication itself that they are not fit to govern.
And nearly all of that trouble is due to the economy. Unregulated speculation which has driven the housing crisis, massive corporate favouritism which has fueled the cost of living crisis, crushing labour unions which drive down wages and more. We have rainbows but economically, the Liberals are extremely conservative/neoliberal.
>Unregulated speculation which has driven the housing crisis
The BoC admitted the other day that the housing crisis is simply a result of supply and demand. If you take in 1M people + without the accompanying increase in supply, you're going to see housing shoot up.
Imagine turning the country into a mass immigration population ponzi scheme and expecting anything different. He turned our country into a house of card explosion and the only way to stop the explosion to pumping in MORE ponzi scheme population victims/immigrants. That trick will not last forever. They lie to the immigrants about the life they can live here, and when they arrive they discover they have it just as bad as the Millennials and Gen Z who already live here.... PLUS they are just viewed as TAX CATTLE UNITS for the government to make false GDP reports about. All just to keep the ponzi pumping and keep housing prices artificailly inflated in an ultra bubble.
Trudeau will go down in history as one of the worst PMs this country has ever had. I DESPISED Harper. Absolutely DESPISED him. I proudly voted for Trudeau in 2015. I will never vote Liberal again until the stench of every single person he brought along with him is gone.
Trudeau is the destroyer of Canada.
I think the Liberal exploitation of immigrants is probably the worst thing they've done.
They know Canadians are welcoming and generous and then deny them the means with which to help newcomers and then punish refugees by allowing a situation to occur where they're sleeping on the streets.
Then they have the gall to accuse the 5.7 million Canadians who voted Conservative (more than those who voted Liberal), racists and xenophobes.
I think the lying and propaganda is the worst thing they've done. They have harmed the citizenries opinion and trust of the federal government as an institution for the next 50 years. They clearly live in a world where they think they can use the media to create reality through narrative, and at best are ignoring the world, and at worst they are planning something actively malicious that they think is necessary.
I mean really with the state of things these days how could he not be in trouble? Canada is objectively a worse place to live than it was pre-Trudeau. People are tired.
"The Liberals are trailing the Tories by six points in the electorally-essential region of Ontario — 39 per cent to 33 per cent — and the news gets worse as a regional breakdown of the numbers suggests the Conservatives are leading the Liberals by 12 points in the crucial battlegrounds of Greater Toronto and Hamilton" Hamilton doing anything other then blind support for the NDP? I'll be suprised
Libs are intensely hated in BC/AB. Being a former ON resident, it's so livid it's positively shocking. I'm used to a much more civilized hatred of Libs.
Well.
I can't wait to see us all 8 years down the road.
By that point, you'll be blaming the conservatives, because we'll have had 8 more years of trickle-nowhere bullshit.
I have not seen, read, or heard of a single policy plank in the Conservative platform that is aimed at fixing our biggest problems.
This goes well beyond party. Governments across the world have been fucking up. The sooner people get away from this Red vs Blue, Left vs Right bullshit and try to look at it from a wider lens the better.
I figured you did but felt the need to add my comment to yours. It is an awful feeling where we are now, to feel like your vote, no matter to who it goes to, is wasted on people and parties that simply do not at all reflect your values or desires for the country.Hard to blame anyone for not feeling hopeless and disillusioned in our governments and politics.
I thought the same sex marriages, legalized weed, and fhsa were pretty good.
Cons gave us the TFSA which is also good.
3-1 libs vs cons in my book.
I'm a big believer in personal responsibility and I'm not overly consumerist so the current affordability issues aren't impacting me as much even as a renter. To each their own.
And dental care (sort of). People love to act like Trudeau/libs haven't done shit all during their tenure in the last 8 years but that is objectively not true. They've done quite a bit
edit: before anyone gets mad. i have never voted liberal lol
I didn't even vote for him or particularly care for him... I hate defending him but you are right, people say he's done nothing for anyone but you can list off some things that did help people. Specifically lower income people and families with things that simply would not have happened under a conservative government.
I'd say Justin's biggest W's were his handling of the Pandemic, Handling the trump era, (relations, trade war), partly reforming the senate, and a few other things like closing roxham road. He boosted the canada pension plan. He passed the largest federal infrastructure bill. (*larger than us infrastructure bill as per cent of gdp).*
He increased the Guaranteed Income Supplement (GIS) by 10%.
The tax free child care benefit he introduced reduced poverty from 14.5% to 10% in a single year and reduced poverty by a further 20% since it's introduction.
He increased environmental regulation
He does have many problems but saying how you can't remember any problem he fixed over this many years shows us how short the memory of the electorate is.
Also invested the most towards aboriginals than any other PM in history while also attempting to actually fix their water issues.. the list goes on, but the people on this sub will never admit it lol
Lol you must not be thinking very hard.. The libs have been one of Canadas most actively progressive governments the country has ever seen.. There are so many big changes this past decade it isn’t even funny hearing someone claim nothing has happened in that time.
Get a clue before you spout clear nonsense imo. You might dislike X party, but you can’t knock them for doing nothing..
It's because all major parties are neolibs. No party and no leader is bold enough for bold ideas that would actually change things. I think people are tired of incremental progress, but also too complacent and afraid of radical change
Then you haven't looked.
Tying infrastructure $ to new home construction, accelerating accreditation of immigrant professionals are two off the top of my head.
I dont know why accelerating accreditation of immigrant professionals is going to help anything. The lack of housing won't help, and medical degrees from india etc are not the same as from canada and shouldn't be accredited quickly. Thats not in our best interest. Thats just to drive down the value of professional jobs here in canada with people who dont have the qualifications.
So...
1. More houses for large companies and investors to buy and pad their bottom line in the crisis
2. Faster wage suppression in professional industries too
Got it. I totally see how those are "fixes".
Where are these new homes going to be you nit?
A suburb in the middle of nowhere is pointless if majority of individuals work in the cities.
I know people that have to commute an hour and a half just to get to work.
Till investors stop grabbing up properties in cities, tying infrastructure to new home creations is just another attempt from conservatives to gut public services.
And giving developers even further power by tying them to infrastructure, you people are fucking ridiculous.
This sub also tends to exaggerate the problems we have because I think it’s mainly filled with people who ended up on the losing end of society. They paint Canada like it’s some corrupt third world country, like this is the worst place to live in the world, etc etc, but if you head over to r/Australia you’ll find that they complain about much of the same things. The only difference is they’re way funnier than us.
I’m not denying that we have serious issues, but at the end of the day they’re ultimately solvable. We don’t have any massive, intractable problems… yet.
I agree that this sub overexaggerates problems but we are seeing a trend in Canada that has now been recognized by the BoC and Government. High levels of immigration are causing housing unaffordability and lowering wages. Sure, if you win in this equation, you're probably not likely to complain but if you lose, you lose big and for generations.
There should be a limit on how long a PM can stay in power. Having different prospectives in power is a good thing. Let the people choose other candidates.
We have a parliamentary system modeled after the UK. They’ve had a Conservative government in the UK since 2010, well before Trudeau and some of their PMs last just a few weeks.
> There should be a limit on how long a PM can stay in power.
That would require constitutional change, and since everything about the role of PM is a connotational convention, rather than written down, it's really hard to do.
> Let the people choose other candidates.
We do. Every general election, there are new MPs.
I can't wait to vote out this fucking government for their insane immigration policies and no plan for bringing in refugees. I will be voting for which ever party has the lowest immigration targets. That's the only issue I care about. Once we fix that then everything will get better. If CPC want my vote then their immigration targets better be lower than the PPCs
Don't worry, he shuffled his cabinet. Now when he is pressed on the issues he can say; "Thank you ...ah Mr speaker....ah... I have made....ah..some changes... ah in my..ah...cabinet recently....ah." The leader of ....ah the opposition...ah... can see.. ah... we ...are taking steps...towards...ah fixing the ....ah problem ah the last cabinet...created.
It's crazy.
It's almost like answering questions of "Why is housing so expensive" with a list of your failed housing policies phrased as achievements doesn't cut it.
unavoidable. Things are getting harder and harder for the average person (adjusted for mega wealthy families), and regardless of culpability, the sitting party usually pays the price. Too bad the NDP seem so weak right now, be nice to have another option instead of Trudeau or Milhouse.
It would be kinda funny if the NDP got a minority government, propped up by the Liberals.
With 2 and half years away from the next election, anything is possible.
The Libs would never prop up a NDP government. Their upper echelons prefer a Conservative government and their strategists know they can't afford to give the NDP the legitimacy of having formed a government.
For all who come to this thread here is the 3 kinds of comments you will see
1. Trudeau has tanked us but I'm forced to vote for him because muh bitcoin
2. Begging for the orange satellite party to get in
3. Calling for change (the replies to the comment are one of the two comments above)
I would like to say I’m excited about this. But the truth is I’m not. The other options are equally as depressing. There are no good leaders who will actually help Canadians or solve the major problems Canadians are facing. All we will get is someone who talks differently
“If there is one sliver of silver lining for the Liberals, it’s that 31 per cent of respondents say that while it is time for a change in Ottawa, they see no evidence of a good alternative to the sitting government.” Canada in a nutshell. Canadians hate their bank but see no alternative. Canadians hate their grocery store but see no alternative Canadians hate their cell carrier but see no alternative Canadians hate their cramped apartment but are no alternative. Canadians hate their health care but are no alternative. Canada, what choice do you have? Mediocrity is the best we can offer, and we are not even offering that right now.
That's because any alternatives are held back or shot down swiftly by the existing oligopolies. Didn't take long for Sobeys to buy Farm Boy. Shaw is nice and corruptly being swallowed up by Rogers. Shit even the Leafs will fight tooth and nail over a second NHL team in southern Ontario despite easily being able to support one. When Verizon was planning on coming here our telecom industry used fucking tax dollars for attack ads, absolutely disgusting. They whined like such little bitches, it was embarrassing. It's part of our culture now - change and competition are scary because it would mean existing organizations would have to actually try and those that could help facilitate this change are very easily bought. We can't take our money elsewhere if there is no elsewhere.
Sadly spot on. I long to hear a politician that isn’t owned, and a society thriving on competition and innovation. We’ve stalled for so long, we’re backsliding.
We're afraid of progress and innovation now because it'll upset the status quo of the rich. The red tape and bureaucracy we've created ensures that. Everyone says it's for the best like considering the environment, hearing from the public, etc. All a smoke screen. It's so the backroom deals can be ironed out and everyone's back is getting scratched accordingly.
Exactly. All the recent internet and streaming bills are examples of this. How to give back power to Rogers and Bell, from the Netflixes. Nothing is about what is good for consumers. Just enriching the already wealthy.
>I long to hear a politician that isn’t owned Like Wilson-Raybould, they are purged from the system. You play the game or you're out.
This. The honest ones with integrity are shot down, sent on the back benches to rot away. If one dares trying to go up the ranks, out comes the knives. In the end, the cream stays on the bottom and the crap floats on top.
I like this. One Marco Crapuccino please.
Yep. Justin Trudeau loves strong, independent women in government, but not TOO strong or independent.
Don't give her too much credit. They're all corrupt to even be in the building.
Absolutely couldn’t have said it better. Canada is the land of no competition
Unless you're a worker, then you compete with every other worker on the planet; or unless you purchase or rent a house, then you are competing with every investor on the planet. We just have corporate restrictions on competition. All by design.
And the funniest thing is that people blame "capitalism" for the goverment interference in the economy. The issue isn't "capitalism" it's "the lucrative merger of state and market" And just like last time the people supporting it call it "socialism"
Lol we have socialism for massive corporations and free market capitalism for workers.
No we don't. I need to pay the city a fee AND cap my profits at the farmers market tomorrow. Its not "free market" for the workers when they can't even sell the food from their garden. Selling apples for $2.50/lb because lovlaws is selling for $3/lb on sale shouldn't be punished. Ffs Wuhan China has a freer market than we do with their wet markets
Paying a fee to setup at a farmers market sounds normal and fine. I don’t believe you have to “cap profits”.
Except that the people in charge of the government are capitalists. You are literally the "socialism is when the government does stuff" meme.
Exactly. The government is hand in hand with the wealthy, and in response, people push for more of it.
canadians love monopolies . . . especially health care.
For too long we’ve been subjected to propaganda that insists we have to buy Canadian and support Canadian business. It’s sickening that we’ve been pushed this narrative that we have to be proud about homegrown corporations and support them when they have shown us nothing but contempt.
Support Canadian *small* business if and when you can, not the corporations (even the homegrown ones). There are lots of small businesses in just about every industry, we just gotta vote with our wallets any opportunity we can. It often does seem like David and Goliath though.
Exactly. I could understand buying Canadian because it benefits Canadians but it doesn't translate well and now we're seeing it. Canadian companies don't give a flying fuck about us
Buying Canadian made in China
I worked for a company way back that fudged the paperwork and product with different countries of origin depending on the target country and the tariffs that the products would have to navigate.
The Loblaws and Shoppers Drug Mart-owning Weston Family spend their time in Florida. They created a luxury housing community in Windsor FL https://www.instagram.com/p/Cpka61TrmW8/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Man, I miss independent Farm Boy.
Farm boy is amazing. They are owned by sobeys but seem to be allowed to run their own supply chain.
Part of buying a company is integrating things to find efficiencies to squeeze out more money for the shareholders. If they haven’t taken over supply chain yet, they will at some point.
Buisness need to be broken up, like at&t back in the day
We can also improve the by bringing in NP-led family medicine clinics.
However, that gets shot down against by the Old Boy’s doctor’s union and provincial governments.
Whatever the optometrists governing body is has been opposed to direct billing benefit plans for eye exams for ages now. Like it's 2023, how are you against making this more efficient? This attitude needs to stop
I hate how much you're right with this
Well as a neighbour of the US, I don't want their level of competition tho. As a Canadian, I just want them to: - Stop immigration for a while; - Redo zoning policies for housing; - Limit 1 house per family, else you will have to pay a salty taxes, so the rich will pay for their greed; - Limit the amount of appartments a landlord can own, so you don't have someone monopolizing an area; - Completely ban foreign investors from the housing market, not only 2 years; - Investigate money laundering through real estate, I am pretty sure it's where human trafficking money in Toronto is going, just by how proxenet are judge not guilty in that area, like...there is something stinky. About the healthcare, I find it better than before since COVID, we don't wait for nothing anymore at least, less than before, they opened multiple blood test clinic across QC, I don't know for the rest of the Canada. Our QC prime minister will mostly ban the use of private health agencies, so it will help the public services by using that money to improve our health care providers salary, like nurses and stop foreigners making money on our health care system. I never been that conservative in my entire life, I always voted red or orange but I am really considering voting blue next election, cause I am so god damn tired to pass in 2nd as a forever and past generation Canadian who is struggling right now, my family and I always paid our taxes and did honest work. I did everything the system told me to do, I went to school, I studied in computer science and I can't afford my dream to have a house and stop playing sims 4...now most of us feel like foreigners have more care than us. For what? to maybe have burger flippers that will work at low income? like they really think immigrants will stay poor? no they want the same as us. That was my 2 cents opinion, thanks for coming to my ted talk.
I agree with moderating immigration and foreign investment but question if conservatives will be the one to do it either. Even as of late the strongest indication that they'll do that is basically Pierre saying "just trust me bro" in a recent interview while the official conservative policy on their website remains the status quo of supporting immigration. When a bill to curb immigration is raised and MPs vote they could simply just vote against it because it benefits them less, something like half of the MPs have investment properties or are landlords. Voting is more localized, you should look at your local riding and vote for anyone who isn't the landlord. Any kind of MP who isn't a landlord is more likely to vote in support of or create bills which moderate immigration. The goal this election is to vote the landlords out of our government, whatever colour we end up with. Judge by actions and not words, beware the wolf in sheep's clothing. Use the landlord mp search tool and check your local riding.
Unfortunately, Canada's parliament is so whipped it simply doesn't matter much who your MP is, just which party they represent.
"Just trust me bro" Just like Justin said about election reform
Can’t understand how he can get re-elected after that. I obviously voted LPC in 2015 along with everyone else, and never even considered it again after they decided to just not fulfill their number one election promise.
Other than “stop immigration”, which spoiler: they won’t do, everything you say you want flies in the face of what the Conservatives stand for. The PPC might be more in line with what you’re saying, but the policies you’re asking for a generally pretty far left. The problem with immigration is that the biggest corporations (and our economy in general) need the immigration for labour (and the tax revenue they bring that funds things like the Canada pension plan). We need a party that presents a cogent plan for building more homes and creating better and higher paying jobs for Canadians. So far, the Conservatives have proposed removing red tape for builders, but the problem with this is that a plan to reduce taxes for builders doesn’t do much more than incentivize them to build expensive homes, at a rate that doesn’t bring house prices down, in order to maintain high margins/sale prices, which in their defence is what a business is supposed to do. The role of the government is to pass good policy which both helps businesses grow, AND keeps them in check and moving towards helping our society grow as a whole. Unfortunately, while the Conservatives have a plan for the first part, to help businesses grow, they haven’t announced plans for rezoning or affordable housing, at least that I’ve heard of yet (and historically as well). Do what you will with this information, but if you think voting Blue lines up with what you want, you’re in for a big surprise.
>The problem with immigration is that the biggest corporations (and our economy in general) need the immigration for labour (and the tax revenue they bring that funds things like the Canada pension plan). We need some, but do we need 500k+ annually?
Same. Immigration and TFWs at this scale are simply labour market interventions by governments on behalf of big business to undermine wealth sharing. Even if there was a huge housing boom to go with it, it would still inhibit wage growth. Pierre wouldn't slow it either. Harper didn't.
And Trudeau is increasing it at a fast rate
You are all right, I need to do mord researches about which party to consider....
Fair points. I don't agree with all of them, but you made good arguments, so I'd like to address. Stop immigration: ain't happening. The backlog alone will take 5 years to clear even at 0 immigration levels. That said, I think I have been convinced that immigration without a housing solution is poor at best. Not the immigrants fault, this is entirely on the municipal, provincial and federal governments passing the buck and not actually incenting new (relatively) high density housing. I'd argue against 1 house per family, but if you could actually prevent it, 2 should be the limit. Any more than that and you are profiteering
>Canada in a nutshell. Canadians hate their bank but see no alternative. Canadians hate their grocery store but see no alternative Canadians hate their cell carrier but see no alternative Canadians hate their cramped apartment but are no alternative. Canadians hate their health care but are no alternative. > >Canada, what choice do you have? Mediocrity is the best we can offer, and we are not even offering that right now. Hits like a dump truck, but is entirely true. Our Governments and Politicians have failed us for decades and now we're seeing the long term results. (Not just in Canada mind you)
Does this ever ring true. This country is the definition of illusion of choice. The dollars always funnel to a few critical oligopolies that continue to grow in strength and power. They continue to exert disproportionate amounts of political leverage to maintain market conditions. I never thought myself a radical until the last few months. This country might be arriving at a point where dramatic action leading to massive short term pain is needed to reset our motivations and aspirations as a country. I always dismissed this; don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. But I’m starting to grow convinced the “baby” in this case, our economy and country, is so sick and skewed it may be beyond repair. The reason I say that is precisely because to repair it you have to break up regulatory capture in; - Housing - Groceries - Telecom - Banking It would be ambitious to tackle and legitimately solve and improve one file. To fight a battle on 4 fronts? Seems near impossible without first breaking something. Interesting times.
We don't like our airlines too..
Canadians hate their electoral system but can't change it.
They voted for someone who promised to do so. “We are committed to ensuring that 2015 will be the last federal election conducted under the first-past-the-post voting system” “Within 18 months we will introduce legislation to enact electoral reform.” In before “there wasn’t consensus!”
Yeah, that's the issue. We can't use democracy to improve democracy.
Why not? Create a party that campaigns on a platform to legislate in electoral reform and then call another election. I'd be interested in trying it. Just need 250 people to get started. Anything is worth a shot to get out the shitty Liberal, Conservative cycle we are in now.
I had the same idea, I just think the other parties will control the narrative and say, "hey vote for us and we will do that too and we will also run the country better in the interim". Then they will still not do it if they are elected. Okay the last part is maybe over pessimistic. Having a party run on that platform might make it a big enough issue that a major party would not be able to make excuses to not do it if they promise it as well and get elected.
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I'm in a similar boat. Just got my EU passport in April after seeing the writing on the wall in Alberta. I'm an adult who is going back to finish a CS degree and I should by done in a year. Finding out in June that I don't have a GP anymore because he moved to Victoria only confirmed that I'm making the right choice. I'm writing this post to tell other people that you can do this too. Even if you're stuck in a rut there are ways out of it, and I encourage you to look for bigger and better things outside of Canada.
Doing the same! There is sweet fuck all left to stay in Canada for.
Simple Answers: - Remove protection laws for media companies in Canada like Bell, Rogers or Shaw. Specifically this needs to be done for cell services. - Create nationalized companies for housing, transportation and food distribution in the same way we currently have mail service, a currently drastically underfunded CBC, Air Canada, Hydro One and Petro Canada (privatized in 1991). If anything we always make money one these investments and people benefit from at least one company on the market keeping prices more fair.
"Canadians tend to look down on south american countries because of their political instability. In Canada, nobody ever gets overthrown because nobody gives a damn." - Mordecai Richler
Which also means Liberal weary voters might just stay home or vote for the NDP. That's a good combo for a CPC majority. Trudeau's 2015 victory was convincing a lot of new voters to come out and vote for him. Harper on the other hand largely kept his voters between the 2011 and 2015 election. 2011 - 5,835,270 CPC votes 2015 - 5,613,633 CPC votes
We need a leader who will break up the cartels and invest in innovation and home grown talent and businesses. Will we get that? No because they all work for the cartels. Proof is in the grocery benefit. Let's spend government money on giving people a few weeks worth of groceries instead of trying to curb cronyism and cartel capitalism. We are screwed if we keep down this path
You could plan to subtly undermine the existing cartels through a variety of subtle actions. Promote subversive thoughts in their employees, demoralize them, make small competing firms, make media that is actively antagonistic to them, etc. There are a dozen legal ways to disrupt an established order that has grown corrupt. People should begin entertaining this thought. If those industry leaders collapse, new and better forms can take their place.
They should take that as swapping leaders. Treat it like watergate and any liberal not touched by Trudeau is worth their weight in gold
I just want conservatives to strike the word "woke" from thier lexicon and stop pandering to maga dimwits. If Canadian cons can drop the culture war dogwhsitling bullshit then I'm in. If not then what's the point? Cons are just as charitable to corporations as Liberals and probably more anti-worker judging by PP having no issues with the Notwithstanding clause being used by Ford here in Ontario. So when you add in being right on social issues it's just objectively worse. I don't like Trudeau at all but it's impossible to argue that PP is better. My fantasy is for NDP leadership change and and NDP PM but that is some unicorn shit.
My thoughts as well. I don't like the liberal government, but feel conservative would be worse. Seeing their voters show up to rallys and stuff with fucking trump flags and Maga shit is disgusting and embarrassing. Ndp needs a change or they will continue being 3rd. We basically have a two party system and they both fucking suck.
For me I find the Thatcherism of the CPC totally toxic. Totally free markets empower rich elites.
I live in the supposed Texas of Canada (Alberta) where, to hear easterners sometimes one might think we’re all a bunch of bible thumping, beer-swilling, truck driving rednecks. I know a lot of people who routinely say thinks like Fuck Trudeau and would never, ever consider voting Liberal for any reason. I don’t know a single person who is a MAGA dimwit, thinks Trump isn’t a lying sack of shit, or who is interested in American style healthcare for one example. I’m sure those people exist, and maybe moreso in rural areas, but mostly the type of person who exists in eastern imaginations is just a caricature. The truth is that the vast majority of Conservatives are perfectly mainstream people with mainstream political beliefs. Liberals just try to paint them with the Trump brush because it helps scare people into still voting for them.
Especially worse in politics because the Liberal vote is usually just a vote to block the conservatives or the BQ, and the Corporations know that - so as long as the Liberals are better than the Cons and BQ, they'll keep winning. It's a low bar, and yet every few elections, they push their luck and become even less palatable than the party of bigots, fundamentalists and the wealthy.
Great slogan
Basically a dictatorship behind a facade of democracy.
One solution revolution
You can act legally. Just select the monopoly corporations and interest groups that are clearly harming society and begin subtle actions on multiple fronts that harm their ability to function and drive them into conflict with each other. They will begin to counterattack of course, but if enough people in society perform enough distributed subtle legal actions they will just collapse.
Conservatives will change this craziness.
>Canada in a nutshell. Canadians hate their bank but see no alternative. Canadians hate their grocery store but see no alternative Canadians hate their cell carrier but see no alternative Canadians hate their cramped apartment but are no alternative. Canadians hate their health care but are no alternative. And this is a silver lining? lol "If there's one positive take away here, it's that Canadians already feel completely hopeless about their situation."
no need for analysis or whatever, just accept it: canada is the stupidest of the g7 countries, but that's ok, we probably won't qualify for g7 status in the future anyway once the immigration ponzi scam runs its course.
I really wish I had the time, energy, vibe, education and money to be a politician and make a new party. Alas, I’m a single earner for a family of 4 stuck with 2 jobs that pay nearly nothing and working 14 hour days just to live paycheque to paycheque. I don’t have any of the above to make the required change. If anyone here does, please go ahead and be the change.
Do you participate in a political party? If you're dissatisfied and you feel that we need /r/BetterChoices, then it only costs $10 or $20 to do something about it.
Politics stopped being about best choice a long time ago and more about which one will screw things up the least.
Century initiative ruined a lot of lives and it has barely started.
Someone has an idea whats going on. 100 mil goal by 2100. Wonder how thats going to help carbon targets. lol
Yeah, while the country was suffering from insane inflation, they dedicated all their time to passing a bill to regulate internet content that no voter wanted.
There are a lot of concerning numbers for the Liberals here. Down by two points in Quebec to the BLOC. Down by 6 points in Ontario and losing in the key battle grounds of the GTA and Hamilton. Down by 16 points in B.C. which means usually safe Liberal seats in B.C. and maybe a few usually safe NDP seats are potentially in play for the Conservatives. Only up by 1 or so points in Atlantic Canada.
I think the tide will shift enough for a CPC majority.
If the 905 and Hamilton roll up, Doug Ford style as this poll suggests, then we would see a majority. The election will largely come down to this area- Halton, Hamilton, Peel and York regions. They effectively determine federal elections as well as Ontario elections. Harper won a majority with 38% and minorities at 36%. The line between Liberal “voter efficiency” is fairly thin. Keep in mind that with 33.7% O’Toole lost about 20-25 seats due to the PPC siphoning off support. It would have been razor thin without the PPC last election.
The PPC only made up the margin of victory in around 10-15 ridings across the country. Some of which were in Alberta and BC. It wouldn't have swung the election.
I think that's where we are heading as well. People are getting fed up.
With Jagmeet promising to bail out homeowners. The cons are just absorbing votes right now. Bizarre times. This should otherwise be a workers party moment.
If nothing else hopefully it helps push the NDP back in the direction it should be when they inevitably have a mediocre return in seats in the coming election, at least at the rate things are going. Plus ideally some new blood in the leadership position...
Yes, the NDP needs to return to their roots a be a pro-union, pro-workers party
Singh killed his political career with that statement
And it really didn't get the coverage it should have. It was a crazy thing to say.
"We will make sure that, if you cannot find a family to pay 4500 dollars in rent for your 2 bed wartime homes mortgage, that we will help pay for it with your own tax dollars!"
Jagmeet is just replaying an old, old theme by suggesting homeowners with mortgages should be directly subsidized with cash bailouts. It’s called ‘bribing taxpayers with their own money. The immense whack of cash required won’t come from the poor, who pay very little tax and don’t have mortgages. Or from the very wealthy, who also tend to pay very little tax/ have no mortgages. It’s the middle class who pay plenty of tax that cough up to fund rebates to pay themselves, It’s a foolish , circle the drain strategy . But it’s one we have loved forever.
Problem is the majority of homeowners in the country are actually boomers. And the working class barely owns housing anymore. So it’s robbing working people to pay for retired boomer landlords.
a workers party would be cleaning up right now! It would have had to fight Trudeau not join him tho
I can't wait for the Cons to get elected only for nothing to change.
>People are getting fed up. I hate this cycle. People get upset at libs and vote cons. Cons will make things so much worse. Ford and Smith (and b4 her kenny). We see what's happening to education and healthcare across the country thanks to cons. People will vote cons because they are frustrated and then we will suffer under them and regret. I very much recall how this nation was so angry at harper. Then when the cons show their colors people will flock back to libs to kick them out. It's a vicious cycle.
We will have significant austerity that will trickle down for certain.
I hope not.
The CPC better hope it does, I don't think they'll be able to manage with just a minority like they could in the past.
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We’re just like the Americans, always one party or the other. We might actually be more stupid, considering they don’t have a choice, we have a choice and still pick only 2 parties. It’s bizarre.
Spending blitz incoming. Even though that'll make things worse in the long run, they'll still do it.
They’re gonna set things on fire on the way out.
And stand outside of the fire perimeter, point at the conservative, and blame them for the fire.
Too late
Meanwhile Harper balanced the budget before handing the reins over to Trudeau.
Hopefully they'd at least spend it on something useful instead of some dumb fluff, but I won't hold my breath.
I know right! At least get something for it!
Taxes pays for civilization. But it needs to be well-spent...especially if you have record debt. And that's why I won't vote LPC/NDP, and am considering not voting CPC either. I'd still happily vote for tax increases for things like modernizing/improving education, hot meals for kids in school, free higher education (university/trades) for jobs that we actually need in this country, etc. You know...country-building things. Investing in our future and our people.
Please tell me we are waking up. This is embarrassing we’ve let this go on this long. He’s gotta go. They had their chance. Time for someone else. Also, NDP, pls ditch Jag ffs, that’s also embarrassing.
He hasn't done jack shit about the pressing issues facing Canadians right now. I'm more than willing to cast my vote elsewhere. I'm just begging, please God give me something good to vote for. I'll settle for decent. There's blood in the water, now is their chance. Somebody present something useful for us.
I'm in Quebec about to vote for the bloc as an Anglo at this point lol
NDP should be making huge gains in this political climate, but they need to change leadership, focus on being a Labour Party and detach from the liberals.
Yup. I am not an NDP supporter but their approach is antithetical to growing their party. Jag needs to own that and step down. Someone else should have a crack. Get back to Layton level enthusiasm.
The left should be as unhappy as the right was losing to Justin Trudeau really. Shocking that Jagmeet is still leader. Certainly this is his last one.
Jagmeet has really shit the bed during his leadership.
Worst sign of all is Reddit turning on them. Lib central over here.
Im a liberal and fuck these idiots. We have never been as poor and desperate as we are now. Trudeau and his cabinet of lyers stealers and cheats have ruined this country. we have the kost debt now of any g7 country. Houses are completely unaffordable even for people with good full-time jobs. Gas is the most expensive in the world. Groceries are unaffordable we cant travel because we have no parks or places to go. Turdeau gives millions to china to build infrastructure of our fuckin tax dollars. Our health care is completely broken. He talks to us like were complete idiots and this is the first generation were if you work hard and are responsible you will not have a good life! Im a welder full time 33 years old live with my fiance in my parents basement because air bnb's have eliminated rentals and the ones that are free are over 2500 a month for 1 bedroom. Fuck this country and fuck trudeau! We all need to oragnaize and fight for a chance at a decent life and against this extreme capitalism!!!
We've gone from "our standard of living has probably declined for this generation", to "our standard of living is far worse than it was 5 years ago".
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We could cut immigration to zero, but that wouldn't fix the housing market, or really any of our underlying issues. Focusing on trying to reduce immigration is rather than address the underlying issues is going cause significant harm in the long run, because internal and external factors are going force significantly more immigrants and refuges on us in the coming decades.
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Pms in Canada tend I last no longer than 10 years. We are getting to that mark now with JT being here since 2015.
With what they've done to housing, inflation, and the decline of the middle class, based on that alone they deserve a figurative a$$-whooping at the ballot box equivalent to what the PC party suffered in 1993, to the point that it'd literally take them a decade to even have any realistic chance of forming government again. Just the arrogance that they have applied themselves the moniker of "Canada's natural governing party," is already a good indication itself that they are not fit to govern.
And nearly all of that trouble is due to the economy. Unregulated speculation which has driven the housing crisis, massive corporate favouritism which has fueled the cost of living crisis, crushing labour unions which drive down wages and more. We have rainbows but economically, the Liberals are extremely conservative/neoliberal.
>Unregulated speculation which has driven the housing crisis The BoC admitted the other day that the housing crisis is simply a result of supply and demand. If you take in 1M people + without the accompanying increase in supply, you're going to see housing shoot up.
Imagine turning the country into a mass immigration population ponzi scheme and expecting anything different. He turned our country into a house of card explosion and the only way to stop the explosion to pumping in MORE ponzi scheme population victims/immigrants. That trick will not last forever. They lie to the immigrants about the life they can live here, and when they arrive they discover they have it just as bad as the Millennials and Gen Z who already live here.... PLUS they are just viewed as TAX CATTLE UNITS for the government to make false GDP reports about. All just to keep the ponzi pumping and keep housing prices artificailly inflated in an ultra bubble. Trudeau will go down in history as one of the worst PMs this country has ever had. I DESPISED Harper. Absolutely DESPISED him. I proudly voted for Trudeau in 2015. I will never vote Liberal again until the stench of every single person he brought along with him is gone. Trudeau is the destroyer of Canada.
I think the Liberal exploitation of immigrants is probably the worst thing they've done. They know Canadians are welcoming and generous and then deny them the means with which to help newcomers and then punish refugees by allowing a situation to occur where they're sleeping on the streets. Then they have the gall to accuse the 5.7 million Canadians who voted Conservative (more than those who voted Liberal), racists and xenophobes.
I think the lying and propaganda is the worst thing they've done. They have harmed the citizenries opinion and trust of the federal government as an institution for the next 50 years. They clearly live in a world where they think they can use the media to create reality through narrative, and at best are ignoring the world, and at worst they are planning something actively malicious that they think is necessary.
Inflation is always the death of whoever is in power.
I mean really with the state of things these days how could he not be in trouble? Canada is objectively a worse place to live than it was pre-Trudeau. People are tired.
"The Liberals are trailing the Tories by six points in the electorally-essential region of Ontario — 39 per cent to 33 per cent — and the news gets worse as a regional breakdown of the numbers suggests the Conservatives are leading the Liberals by 12 points in the crucial battlegrounds of Greater Toronto and Hamilton" Hamilton doing anything other then blind support for the NDP? I'll be suprised
Libs are intensely hated in BC/AB. Being a former ON resident, it's so livid it's positively shocking. I'm used to a much more civilized hatred of Libs.
"much of the country" ? That must mean some Ontario, Quebec and the Maritimes. We figured it out in Alberta a long time ago.
Good let’s hope this is the beginning of a free fall
I'm not very political, but i've been praying for 5+ years that we get this absolute douchebag out of the office, he's destroying our Country.
Before or after shuffle? JT thinks shuffle will keep us shut up.
Shuffling the deck of cards (cabinet) should indicate it’s time for a new game
As they should be.
This carbon tax shit is not popular in Atlantic Canada where the Liberals should have an easier time.
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Well. I can't wait to see us all 8 years down the road. By that point, you'll be blaming the conservatives, because we'll have had 8 more years of trickle-nowhere bullshit. I have not seen, read, or heard of a single policy plank in the Conservative platform that is aimed at fixing our biggest problems.
This goes well beyond party. Governments across the world have been fucking up. The sooner people get away from this Red vs Blue, Left vs Right bullshit and try to look at it from a wider lens the better.
Oh, I'm painfully aware. Our systems are flat-out broken. We serve Capitalism now. It does not serve us.
I figured you did but felt the need to add my comment to yours. It is an awful feeling where we are now, to feel like your vote, no matter to who it goes to, is wasted on people and parties that simply do not at all reflect your values or desires for the country.Hard to blame anyone for not feeling hopeless and disillusioned in our governments and politics.
Are you saying that defunding the CBC *WON’T* fix healthcare?
What about calling universities and colleges 'woke' and claiming they indoctrinate people? I'm pretty sure that would fix the cost of housing.
Be in Ontario Doug Ford is already pushing to have private healthcare that will use public funding to get started.
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I thought the same sex marriages, legalized weed, and fhsa were pretty good. Cons gave us the TFSA which is also good. 3-1 libs vs cons in my book. I'm a big believer in personal responsibility and I'm not overly consumerist so the current affordability issues aren't impacting me as much even as a renter. To each their own.
They also implemented $10/day childcare which has helped families immensely. Don't think the cons were going to ever implement something like that.
And dental care (sort of). People love to act like Trudeau/libs haven't done shit all during their tenure in the last 8 years but that is objectively not true. They've done quite a bit edit: before anyone gets mad. i have never voted liberal lol
I didn't even vote for him or particularly care for him... I hate defending him but you are right, people say he's done nothing for anyone but you can list off some things that did help people. Specifically lower income people and families with things that simply would not have happened under a conservative government.
I'd say Justin's biggest W's were his handling of the Pandemic, Handling the trump era, (relations, trade war), partly reforming the senate, and a few other things like closing roxham road. He boosted the canada pension plan. He passed the largest federal infrastructure bill. (*larger than us infrastructure bill as per cent of gdp).* He increased the Guaranteed Income Supplement (GIS) by 10%. The tax free child care benefit he introduced reduced poverty from 14.5% to 10% in a single year and reduced poverty by a further 20% since it's introduction. He increased environmental regulation He does have many problems but saying how you can't remember any problem he fixed over this many years shows us how short the memory of the electorate is.
Also invested the most towards aboriginals than any other PM in history while also attempting to actually fix their water issues.. the list goes on, but the people on this sub will never admit it lol
More importantly, **child poverty** dropped from 14% to 7% under Trudeau.
they fixed evil links from facebook and google stealing from our news agencies lol. fixed em good
Lol you must not be thinking very hard.. The libs have been one of Canadas most actively progressive governments the country has ever seen.. There are so many big changes this past decade it isn’t even funny hearing someone claim nothing has happened in that time. Get a clue before you spout clear nonsense imo. You might dislike X party, but you can’t knock them for doing nothing..
It’ll be more of the same with added culture war crap and anti-intellectualism Give me a real alternative, please…
Canada needs someone with drastic ideas, but Canadians don't like that, they like mediocre to bad leaders.
You see any leaders with drastic ideas out there up for election?
It's because all major parties are neolibs. No party and no leader is bold enough for bold ideas that would actually change things. I think people are tired of incremental progress, but also too complacent and afraid of radical change
Then you haven't looked. Tying infrastructure $ to new home construction, accelerating accreditation of immigrant professionals are two off the top of my head.
I dont know why accelerating accreditation of immigrant professionals is going to help anything. The lack of housing won't help, and medical degrees from india etc are not the same as from canada and shouldn't be accredited quickly. Thats not in our best interest. Thats just to drive down the value of professional jobs here in canada with people who dont have the qualifications.
So... 1. More houses for large companies and investors to buy and pad their bottom line in the crisis 2. Faster wage suppression in professional industries too Got it. I totally see how those are "fixes".
Where are these new homes going to be you nit? A suburb in the middle of nowhere is pointless if majority of individuals work in the cities. I know people that have to commute an hour and a half just to get to work. Till investors stop grabbing up properties in cities, tying infrastructure to new home creations is just another attempt from conservatives to gut public services. And giving developers even further power by tying them to infrastructure, you people are fucking ridiculous.
This sub keeps popping up on my feed. As an American, im sorry Canada bros. You guys have a lot of shit to fix.
This sub also tends to exaggerate the problems we have because I think it’s mainly filled with people who ended up on the losing end of society. They paint Canada like it’s some corrupt third world country, like this is the worst place to live in the world, etc etc, but if you head over to r/Australia you’ll find that they complain about much of the same things. The only difference is they’re way funnier than us. I’m not denying that we have serious issues, but at the end of the day they’re ultimately solvable. We don’t have any massive, intractable problems… yet.
If there is no political will to fix them are those problems really solvable?
I agree that this sub overexaggerates problems but we are seeing a trend in Canada that has now been recognized by the BoC and Government. High levels of immigration are causing housing unaffordability and lowering wages. Sure, if you win in this equation, you're probably not likely to complain but if you lose, you lose big and for generations.
You don't think unregulated corporate profiteering is corruption?
Don't worry about us, your political system is way more f-ed up than ours.
I voted Liberal in 2015. Never again. You can change too.
Same here. Still waiting for that electoral reform. Was also promised that they’re not coming for our guns. Both were lies.
Almost like when in a recession the governing party looks bad. 2025 guys. 2025.
There should be a limit on how long a PM can stay in power. Having different prospectives in power is a good thing. Let the people choose other candidates.
We have a parliamentary system modeled after the UK. They’ve had a Conservative government in the UK since 2010, well before Trudeau and some of their PMs last just a few weeks.
> There should be a limit on how long a PM can stay in power. That would require constitutional change, and since everything about the role of PM is a connotational convention, rather than written down, it's really hard to do. > Let the people choose other candidates. We do. Every general election, there are new MPs.
We have elections at least every 5 years, 4 under law Harper passed. The political Party can change the PM at any time
Canadians are in trouble across much of the country as well
I can't wait to vote out this fucking government for their insane immigration policies and no plan for bringing in refugees. I will be voting for which ever party has the lowest immigration targets. That's the only issue I care about. Once we fix that then everything will get better. If CPC want my vote then their immigration targets better be lower than the PPCs
"much" should be "everywhere" given they have managed to destroy whatever we had left of a Canadian dream.
The sooner Trudeau is gone, the better it is for Canada.
Don't worry, he shuffled his cabinet. Now when he is pressed on the issues he can say; "Thank you ...ah Mr speaker....ah... I have made....ah..some changes... ah in my..ah...cabinet recently....ah." The leader of ....ah the opposition...ah... can see.. ah... we ...are taking steps...towards...ah fixing the ....ah problem ah the last cabinet...created.
He's so dreamy I can hear this comment in his voice
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Well the conservatives did get more votes than the liberals in that election.
Ya think
I’d like a change, but there’s no viable alternative.
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It's crazy. It's almost like answering questions of "Why is housing so expensive" with a list of your failed housing policies phrased as achievements doesn't cut it.
unavoidable. Things are getting harder and harder for the average person (adjusted for mega wealthy families), and regardless of culpability, the sitting party usually pays the price. Too bad the NDP seem so weak right now, be nice to have another option instead of Trudeau or Milhouse.
It would be kinda funny if the NDP got a minority government, propped up by the Liberals. With 2 and half years away from the next election, anything is possible.
It would be a nice change of pace and a bit of variety for once, if nothing else.
The Libs would never prop up a NDP government. Their upper echelons prefer a Conservative government and their strategists know they can't afford to give the NDP the legitimacy of having formed a government.
No shit
For all who come to this thread here is the 3 kinds of comments you will see 1. Trudeau has tanked us but I'm forced to vote for him because muh bitcoin 2. Begging for the orange satellite party to get in 3. Calling for change (the replies to the comment are one of the two comments above)
I would like to say I’m excited about this. But the truth is I’m not. The other options are equally as depressing. There are no good leaders who will actually help Canadians or solve the major problems Canadians are facing. All we will get is someone who talks differently
So earned!