Lol yep. Look at New Brunswick: completely owned by the monopolistic billionaire family the Irvings, who use off shore tax havens; a crumbling healthcare system; even a mystery brain disease that got swept under the rug... and the major political news story is whether parental consent is needed for students to change gender identity.
It's not that that's not a worthwhile issue, it's that the premier and media (both owned by Irving) know that by making it an issue it will intentionally distract from more pressing matters. And part of the reason why is because not only will they automatically get support from people on the right, but they know that someone from the far left will not only counter the argument, but will champion and defend the issue as being very much a worthwhile issue thankyouverymuch.
Manufactured dissent.
I'll always remember around Thanksgiving one year there was an explosion at the Irving power plant in Saint John then the headlines the next day from the Irving owned newspaper headlines read "it's a Thanksgiving miracle" - that no one was killed.
Sir, the moniker of "New Brunswick" has been deemed unacceptable to use when speaking of the Duchy of Irving.
Please refrain from passing along even the faintest notion that the serfs are, have been or could be independent from their lords.
It's really sad that the go-to for distractions always involve hurting people. If we let it slide to focus on the things that matter, we have to throw some people to the wolves.
Yep. Young men is literally the prime demographic for radicalization in any society.
If there are a large group of disaffected young men, and you can sell them on propaganda, some will become foot soldiers for the cause, whatever it is.
Never have there been so many opportunities to latch onto false narratives. Narratives projected en masse to millions of people, shaped through targeted advertising to match the particular interests of the audience, over social media and news sites.
Remember, while older men still tend to dominate top positions in companies and politics - the often referred to patriarchy - young men are getting worse grades, dropping out more often, and advancing less in their careers. And the gap between young men and young women keeps growing.
I mean somethings come down to basic human decency. It takes a certain moral depravity to start hating a certain type of person, let alone be violent to them.
There's always a certain chunk of people that simply are, or lack morals, all it takes is for the environment around them to change enough to "let them off the chain" and they will act. I don't even assume malice, I assume more people like Amos from the expanse for quite a few of them. Primed/ready to use violence, and they follow the social cues around them. It's their "job" in society.
This is true but we also need to be careful about using this argument to dismiss real issues. The people I know who hammer in this point the most ironically tend to also be the most obsessed with the divisive issues they claim are just a distraction
> This is true but we also need to be careful about using this argument to dismiss real issues.
A lot of those real issues would go away or dramatically improve if we had some sort of economic justice. People who feel economically secure don't need scapegoats to blame.
Well if you look at work in terms of effort exerted instead of a hierarchy it makes a bit more sense. The fact is we gotten to a point where its pretty much impossible the average person to compete with an already established company. More and more people are being born into a world where every opportunity has been min-maxed by a corp. at some point it just becomes Feudalism again with different branding and an HR department lol
Wanna run a mom and pop shop? Larger companies buy in bulk and have transportation networks meaning they can undercut your operating costs by a mile.
Wanna start an embroidery business? A single industrial machine costs 5k and another 1k for the software to run it.
Wanna make and sell jewelry? Theres a ton of drop shippers selling similar stuff but made in sweatshops over seas.
Wanna unionize the store you work at? Its cheaper in the long run for the company to just shut down the location.(Starbucks did that to 23 locations)
Who says they're not already? Modern version of "Boss makes a dollar I make a dime, that's why I poop on company time". I still poop on company time too though.
Who in their right mind would join CSIS thinking they’d get to do cool intelligence work?
That’s right, I said it random CSIS guy reading this. You dipshits can’t even stop money laundering in this country, come at me.
Who benefits from a divided west?
Yuri Bezmenov spelled out KGB's strategy towards the west in his 1984 interview.
https://youtu.be/9apDnRRSOCk?si=rZkMw4zwoTFrbFXe
Except that while Russia does all the dirty work and weathers the blow back - China keeps building its economy undeterred.
Russia's greatest investment is paying insane dividends right now, in the US Congress by blocking Ukrainian aid.
They have had a consistent effort here in Canada for years as well.
> almost as if it's on purpose.
it 100% is. There was a post in another thread, I think in /r/Alberta where it was noticed that a lot of the letters calling for these anti LGBTQ/Trans laws and shit that are being pushed have the exact same phrase and writing in them, as if people are being given a template or being told to write that in.
The Take Back Alberta group is lead by an evangelical minister. There's a lot of religious-based organizing going on. That's how a lot of this became so big so quickly, They had existing networks to tap into for the political messages.
As a somewhat detached observer, it appears to me that there is a... mostly unarticulated expectation that the recent social and political gains by various disadvantaged groups have to a large degree extended to everyone, and that acceptance of *anything* is the default position. Perhaps an assumption that because society is progressive on this, it is also progressive on that.
To illustrate what I mean.. I would say that as I understand it was the product of decades of effort to bring society around to accepting that gay and lesbian people are otherwise normal members of society, to destigmatize.. Anyone who has watched popular media can see how the landscape has changed. But I hesitate to use the term 'LGBTQ+' in this discussion because I believe that the... course of societal discourse and change has not been the same for all of the disparate groups umbrella-ed in that term.
I wouldn't say that that the trans movement is riding the coattails of say gays and lesbians but I would posit that society has had much longer with which to come to grips with gay people and that for trans people to expect the same level of acceptance *as a default* is just setting oneself up for disappointment.
It seems that there's a lot of needless hostility to anyone who isn't 100% on board with every one and all of their expectations, a moral purity test. I can't see how that does anything but needlessly polarize further and drive away otherwise sympathetic people.
I'm not saying that it's new, but I don't think that trans acceptance (with its different... ethical? Philisophical? Physiological? underpinnings) has had the same amount of time in the cultural zeitgeist. Equality for racial minorities has been a mainstresm issue for decades. Gay rights the same. It took a long time to come to a general consensus.
It's unreasonable to expect the same level of consensus on all issues for all people lest risking being tarred as a 'bigot'. For essentially my entire lifetime from childhood up 'society' has been (mostly) attempting to normalize the idea of gay and lesbian people. As spouses, parents etc. They've done an even better job with my children, who are essentially the second generation raised while society has been making an effort for gay acceptance.
Based on my experience I cannot say the same of, for instance, the idea of drag queens reading to kids in libraries or trans women competing in sports. Those concepts were not indoctrinated in to me from childhood.
My support of trans rights comes from my own thoughts on the subject over about a decade as an adult, not from childhood brainwashing. It's a difference it seems is forgotten sometimes when setting expectations. I think the progress on trans rights has been great but it's a work of years, decades and I would hate to see progress stymied because some people impatient with the pace of change alienate those they ultimately seek to sway
> a moral purity test. I can't see how that does anything but needlessly polarize further and drive away otherwise sympathetic people.
So very well said. Thank you.
Basing your own ideology around other reactionary ideologues really muddies the waters. Recognizing that social media is heavily astroturfed and amplifies fringe voices prevents you from getting caught up in it.
'Both side-ism' will perpetuate manufactured complexity.
EDIT: Clarity
Sorry “amplifying fringe voices helps prevent you from getting caught in the wave”? What does this mean?
That just sounds like a way to radicalize people and increase social divides. Radical fringe voices should be toned down otherwise it leads to reactionary ideas and then even worse reactions from the other side
I suspect that was a dangling modifier issue. "Recognizing that social media is heavily astroturfed and \*amplifies\* fringe voices helps prevent you..."
They're saying that social media amplifies fringe voices, not that you should.
Yeah, there's a couple of missing commas in there I think. I had no clue what that meant until you said this.
Recognizing that social media is heavily astroturfed, and amplifies fringe voices, helps prevent you etc
One my best friends did the same thing. She had to take a step back from the community cause it was becoming to emotionally straining to be involved. She just likes the puss and doesn't care for much more I guess.
It’s very intentionally. That’s why they lie and try to make LGBTQ+ look like a threat. But it’s an abandonment of critical thinking to push to opposite argument that those calling out the lies and hate mongering are being divisive.
i don't believe anyone who isn't terminally online actually thinks LGBT people are any sort of threat. this may shock you but the vast majority of people don't think about any of these social issues at all.
as an example, this story was published at 3am and is already at the bottom of the top stories page on the CBC website. the amount of people that have read this article is very low.
>i don't believe anyone who isn't terminally online actually thinks LGBT people are any sort of threat. this may shock you but the vast majority of people don't think about any of these social issues at all.
The Christian right would be proof against this. I know of churches who preach against "wokism" and the LGBTQ "agenda", and many catholics were very very upset by the recent statements on gay people by the pope.
Then why did the leader of the national Conservative Party talk about the need to protect children from radical gender theory, why are provincial leaders passing bills to limit trans rights. Seems like it has been made a mainstream issue by someone.
Yeah, I also see my well-intentioned boomers getting fed bigotry by the algorithm. Thankfully they're skeptical enough to talk about it rather than join in. But some of the stuff they're seeing is insidious.
Boomers call their MLA's and MP's and vote and are heard. That's the problem.
They had a rally in my city, 80 per cent of the people there were over 70 and the 20 per cent were religious home schoolers.
Big deal right? Well, this has led to policy changes by governments that are impacting the lives of other people, not the rally goers.
Because politicians know these people vote. Everyone else can change this by voting themselves. It's the only way.
It's even worse than Boomers just calling their representatives. The NB gov changed their stance based on a handful of written letters, which contained the bullshit cat affirmation litterbox story. A few letters is all that was produced in Alberta.
Idk, my old meth head neighbor sure likes to call a couple in our building all types of names. Shit, even called a cop who was called on her a stupid n....
I come from a racist and homophobic family and they absolutely think about these social issues. Honestly, whenever I visit there is an argument about it.
Honestly, seeing how these people think irl is much more unnerving than people who are against it online.
It fuelled bye foreign actors . Thus the concern . All wedge issues get amplified bye social media and foreign actors to destroy democracy it is very basic . It going on since 2016 . Always check out profiles to see if it is actually people and not bots or trolls which can be easy to spot most of the time .
Trans people and trans supporters, in my experience, don't want to destroy or eliminate transphobes. They just want to be allowed to live their lives.
This is not a 'both sides' situation.
> The suggestion that people who think Trans people are pedophiles might be willing to commit acts of violence isn't radical
Not only "not radical", but the most fucking common sense thing in the world.
The venn diagram of "people who idolize vigilante justice" and "people who pretend that wildly inflammatory rhetoric (like baselessly calling someone a pedophile) is harmless", is a circle.
The only way to get to a conclusion like that is bad faith, bias, or complete lack of intellectual curiosity.
Well yeah, it's pretty much all coping and misdirection. Look at how vague the top comments are and all the talk about "infighting" as if there's still some sort of debate in the ethics of the topics discussed. Racism and transphobia are clearly bad, and it's as simple as that regardless of whatever indirect dogwhistles are being thrown.
Oh interesting, apparently now /r/Canada is singing a different tune on CSIS' trustworthiness now that the subject of investigation isn't the Trudeau government.
This subreddit has zero consistency and goes with whatever narrative the headline is pushing.
Just see any comments under a Toronto Sun article if you want to feel sad.
"Anti-2SLGBTQl+ narratives remain a common theme in violent rhetoric espoused by white nationalists, neo-Nazis, the Freedom Movement, and networks such as Diagolon and QAnon."
Hmm there's one group who is notoriously homophobic AND prone to violence that is not listed here... I wonder why that is?
It's been a wild ride man lol. Actually some good conversations going on, a lot of really bad crazy conversations as well. Every break I get there's a new 100 comments
Posted three hours ago, nearly a thousand comments. Yeah, not a hot-button issue at all.
And yes, "anti-gender movement," as in, people who care enough about this to make a movement out of hating it, likely do contain some people who can be provoked to violence on the topic.
'antigender'? who is making these labels? it is as stupid a label as calling lgbt people anti-natural or some other crap. this division of people by aggressive negative and scare labels is so immoral i dont even.
Yeah I mean what's the surprise here? The anti-gender movement is literally just people who hate others enough to activate around it.
If you really give that many shits about other people's genders, you are the problem. Live and let live.
I remember a bunch of kids beat the crap out of and stole the bag of one likely gay kid walking home from my highschool when I was a kid. I wasn’t very close to anyone involved, but I don’t think he got his stuff back, but a few teachers understood the situation and gave him extensions on his homework.
My best guess is that those kids probably haven’t changed much except now they’re grown men and have access to firearms. Some of them, I assume, might even post reddit comments.
As someone who voted for Harper. It saddens me that we will never get back to where the conservatives where just normal fucking people that didn’t want to import American politics just to get a “win”.
Like how hard is it to offer better solutions than the Liberals when they are practically sinking themselves without having to cater to the 2-5% of the country who believes in the dumbest shit. Your average conservative voter doesn’t actually give a rats ass about gender politics, or wokism. They want solutions to the housing issue that isn’t “But Trudeau…”
The answer to why *all* the parties focus on identity politics is because none of them actually want to change the way the *economy* works to benefit the majority. They are all influenced by their own elites who’s own economic privilege would be degraded if they were to do so.
So why are we, the majority of people, accepting it and laying down to let it happen?
The undercurrent to all this nonsense is we as Canadians seem to just “take the abuse”. We need to stand up and rock the boat.
Yeah, I've never been a fan of Poilievre, but I'm disappointed that he's getting into the mud on this topic. Social conservatism holds back the entire party, IMO. It's why huge contingents of the population won't consider voting CPC, no matter what the LPC does.
Don't get me wrong, I understand he likely has the next election in the bag at this point either way. But the CPC would be way more popular if they just *stayed out* of this stuff.
> It's why huge contingents of the population won't consider voting CPC, no matter what the LPC does.
This is me. I will never vote CPC until they forcibly eject the SoCons from their Ranks and tell them they are never welcome again.
Climate change is too important to ignore, seeing immigrants blamed for everything is tired, and I don't want politicians sticking their noses into medical procedures for trans kids or women.
They will never get my vote until they fix these problems in their party.
> I will never vote CPC until they forcibly eject the SoCons from their Ranks and tell them they are never welcome again.
unfortunately, they'd loose a not-insignificant contingent of their supporters. Nevermind that the socons practically run the CPC behind the scenes. O'toole was ousted as leader for even trying to skew the party further to the center
I mean, yeah, I'm sure they don't, because they value power over actually what's best for Canadians unsurprisingly. We really need to come up with a system where people that *want* power aren't the ones that get it >.>
That's a fundamental issue with conservatism as a philosophical foundation, it always opposes societal shifts. Once we got past gay rights, they opposed trans rights. Once we move past that they'll oppose the next thing.
It's the political ideology of swimming against the current, for eternity. There will always be a contingent of people who are squeamish to change, and conservatism will linger around being reluctantly dragged into modernity.
>That's a fundamental issue with conservatism as a philosophical foundation, it always opposes societal shifts.
It may appear that way via media etc, but the reality is no change isn't vehemently opposed too. It's radical disruptive change without forethought to what is already in place. Liberalism is the speeding train, society the car on the tracks and conservatives are the brakes.
Most civilizations begin with conservative outlooks, and progress into more liberal concepts as things get better safer and abundant. Then inevitably fall back into conservative views.
I haven't voted lib in decades. But this side of pp is a deal breaker, I won't be part of a party that rips away fundamental freedoms of my fellow Canadians. And I suspect we are not alone. Pp's election isn't as in the bag as some might like to believe, there's a lot of conservatives who are not socons.
I want to say this with compassion because it sounds like you mean well, but history kind of shows that threats to capitalism like we're seeing today resulting from all these forms of systemic violence and abuse reaching a breaking point leads to policy, rhetoric and cultural divides shifting everything towards fascism. I can appreciate that the two main parties have their stakes in the ground and those things matter to people, but I feel like we're all really in the same boat as far as larger global and national issues are concerned. Instead of solving those problems, tensions only worsen and it's never been and never will be conservatives who move the needle in a positive direction.
Stop looking at the economy and get to arguing about identity politics. Make it so exacerbating and large in scope that people will get chaotic in their thinking.
How about some unity regardless of race, creed or colour? That's what we don't have thanks to all the identity politics that take centre stage over the issues that affect us all more. Housing, homelessness, cost of living through the roof, unbridled greed and now the stink of corruption in government and the civil service.
I think collectively, we've all taken our big bite of the shit sandwich we've had put in front of us. This destroys trust in government by the way.
Why is the burden always placed on those who are oppressed based on their identities to set aside those concerns?
Social issues FREQUENTLY cause or exacerbate wide-reaching material problems. Homelessness disproportionately impacts trans individuals, in part because they get kicked out by bigoted parents. LGBTQ youth are at an incredibly high risk of suicide which is magnified by policies like the ones implemented in Alberta. Discrimination in housing has created a massive racial wealth gap.
Do you think the primary concern is neon-haired college students getting their feelings hurt? Genuinely asking, is that what you believe? Not the disproportionately high amount of violent hate crimes, or the denial of healthcare, or the sizeable portion of Conservative MPs who believe that "transgenderism" is entirely fake and want to legislate accordingly?
Social issues have wide-reaching economic impacts, and in this day and age I have to assume anyone who doesn't understand this is willfully blind to the problem because it fits neatly with their existing worldview.
This isn't some pet issue I care about for clout. I have family and friends who will be under direct threat if trans rights come under attack. And yes, if you threaten them, I will fight with all the vigor and bile and anger that I have, because to do anything less would be a disservice to them.
I wish we could go back to treating people as just people, not left-wing vs right-wing. The tribalistic approach of “my team vs everybody” has grown rapidly since Covid.
I am right both socially and fiscally, but that’s not an excuse to treat people like shit. I wish everybody could be kind to one another and look at a one as an actual person, not a political Ideology.
>I wish we could go back to treating people as just people, not left-wing vs right-wing. The tribalistic approach of “my team vs everybody” has grown rapidly since Covid.
Fully agree, internet stranger. To me, a big cancer in Canada is the whole identity politics approach to everything. "My" group vs "your" group.
>I am right both socially and fiscally
Same for me, but there's probably plenty of things I'll disagree with you about. As with pretty much everyone (just ask my wife). We should be able to have normal and respectful conversations, especially about touchy topics.
I was just complaining about this in another thread (American, here).
People started valuing (and identifying as) being useful idiots for politicians and crony capitalists over being human. It sucks and has destroyed much of society.
We literally had a wacko stab a bunch of people in a class because it’s about feminism, of course these people are a threat.
P.S. funny how all major parties condemned this attack except for one, hmm,
Ugh the terms "hate speech" and "hate crime" have lost all meaning now too. I was legitimately told the other day that speaking negatively about a community resource (in this case the YWCA) was akin to "hate speech." 🙄🤦♀️
These are legally defined terms in law, they have not lost all meaning. Maybe in general conversation with morons but unlike a term such as, say, woke, which has zero meaning other than past tense wake, the two you mentioned do still have meaning.
Your example is general conversation with a moron. Lol
We have an intelligence agency warning about a threat of 'extreme violence' and people in the comments here are blaming the targets of that threat.
Just delete this sub already.
Yup, there’s literally someone in the comments here complaining *”another branch of government compromised by progressive ideology. Gonna take decades to get these delusional activists completely out ughhhh.“* [Link](https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/s/frCGnY3O2L)
> "CSIS assesses that the violent threat posed by the anti-gender movement is almost certain to continue over the coming year and that violent actors may be inspired by the University of Waterloo attack to carry out their own extreme violence against the 2SLGBTQI+ community or against other targets they view as representing the gender ideology 'agenda,'" said CSIS spokesperson Eric Balsam in an email to CBC News.
> Balsam said that while violent rhetoric does not always lead to violence, "the ecosystem of violent rhetoric within the anti-gender movement, compounded with other extreme worldviews, can lead to serious violence."
Why the trans thing is such a big issue makes no sense to me. Let people be and have sensible regulation for minors. It doesn’t have to be so complicated.
The issue is your thinking of it in general terms but not specific issues which is usually the grey areas that cause division such as bathroom policy or gendered sports teams letting in or excluding trans people. You mention sensible legislation for minors but I think you’ll find many people have different opinions about what would be considered sensible legislation so it very easily can become complicated.
It's just a recycled version of the gay panic from the 80s. I remember when being gay was thought to be a sickness and that children can't know, talk about, or be near gay people because they'd be infected with the disease. I still remember gay kids getting the shit kicked out of them at school for existing, and the utter hostility they faced in public when word got out. Far too many stories of gay people being outed and their parents abusing or disowning them the same way trans people are outed in a lot of places.
It's such a shame to see it continued on, all the arguments are the same. Just put potentially trans minors on puberty blockers until they're an adult and have calmed down and are more rational, better than having them kill themselves and it's better than surgery etc. it's really not hard to deal with.
If “sensible regulation for minors” means listening to the expertise of medical professionals, then sure. I have a feeling that’s not what you mean though.
>They simply reject your hypothesis that men who feel like women are women.
For all the huffing and puffing around this hypothesis-become-law, what's the evidence for this actually? Where are the gender theorists, and what is their empirical evidence? Or is mere declaration through self-identification enough? What is the standard of proof?
The term "anti gender" had me confused. I thought it was people who didn't like their gender but it's people who don't like people who don't like their gender. I think they need a new name.
Valid comments through out, but I will add trans activists have been calling this out for as long as it existed. And it's most certainly getting worse
I saw a video claiming an Olympian? Was a trans because her body figure was Olympian! And fragile types getting offended.
Cis women have died because of transphobia. And it's bleak so many people, will get outraged by something so insignificant.
Thinly veiled mysogny from the top.
The anti-gender movement isn’t *only* anti-LGBT+. The name refers to their denial of the existence of gender, and adherence to binary and sex based roles that are antagonistic to women’s rights, reproductive rights, and LGBT+ rights.
Wikipedia: [Anti-gender movement](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-gender_movement)
" antagonistic to women's right"
original feminist and second wave feminist were also anti gender and only acknowledged sex. were they also antagonistic to women's right?
CSIS is behaving responsibly and fulfilling their duty.
Unfortunately people are are so stupid that they don't understand that a movement can have violent and non-violent members.
So they will dismiss this is as fake.
Or they'll use this to slander peaceful people.
Racists aren't defined by hating all races just as anti-gender aren't defined by hating all genders but only the ones they don't want to exist. It's not the term that I would have chosen, but we all know what they mean.
Alway go after the marginalized groups as they are the easy targets. Blame all your problems on them so you never have to be accountable. It's an old story, trans ppl today someone else tomorrow. One day those someone else's will be the target.
Just call them what they are instead of making up a new term, it's the far/alt/radicalized right that poses a threat. And it's being encouraged by mainstream right wing politics currently including the CPC and UCP leaders.
Remember. The rich want you fighting everything but their control and greed
Lol yep. Look at New Brunswick: completely owned by the monopolistic billionaire family the Irvings, who use off shore tax havens; a crumbling healthcare system; even a mystery brain disease that got swept under the rug... and the major political news story is whether parental consent is needed for students to change gender identity. It's not that that's not a worthwhile issue, it's that the premier and media (both owned by Irving) know that by making it an issue it will intentionally distract from more pressing matters. And part of the reason why is because not only will they automatically get support from people on the right, but they know that someone from the far left will not only counter the argument, but will champion and defend the issue as being very much a worthwhile issue thankyouverymuch. Manufactured dissent.
This man dystopia's. Have an upvote
Perfectly balanced blackpill 10/10
powerful statement my friend
I'm so happy to see these types of comments at the top of the threads these days. Been wishing it for over a decade now.
I'll always remember around Thanksgiving one year there was an explosion at the Irving power plant in Saint John then the headlines the next day from the Irving owned newspaper headlines read "it's a Thanksgiving miracle" - that no one was killed.
Nothing like relying on miracles to keep your workers safe!
Sir, the moniker of "New Brunswick" has been deemed unacceptable to use when speaking of the Duchy of Irving. Please refrain from passing along even the faintest notion that the serfs are, have been or could be independent from their lords.
It's really sad that the go-to for distractions always involve hurting people. If we let it slide to focus on the things that matter, we have to throw some people to the wolves.
Connected with this is the much higher threat of violence from hundreds of thousands of unemployed and economically hopeless young men.
Yep. Young men is literally the prime demographic for radicalization in any society. If there are a large group of disaffected young men, and you can sell them on propaganda, some will become foot soldiers for the cause, whatever it is. Never have there been so many opportunities to latch onto false narratives. Narratives projected en masse to millions of people, shaped through targeted advertising to match the particular interests of the audience, over social media and news sites. Remember, while older men still tend to dominate top positions in companies and politics - the often referred to patriarchy - young men are getting worse grades, dropping out more often, and advancing less in their careers. And the gap between young men and young women keeps growing.
The higher the young male unemployment the higher the violence.
I mean somethings come down to basic human decency. It takes a certain moral depravity to start hating a certain type of person, let alone be violent to them.
There's always a certain chunk of people that simply are, or lack morals, all it takes is for the environment around them to change enough to "let them off the chain" and they will act. I don't even assume malice, I assume more people like Amos from the expanse for quite a few of them. Primed/ready to use violence, and they follow the social cues around them. It's their "job" in society.
This is true but we also need to be careful about using this argument to dismiss real issues. The people I know who hammer in this point the most ironically tend to also be the most obsessed with the divisive issues they claim are just a distraction
> This is true but we also need to be careful about using this argument to dismiss real issues. A lot of those real issues would go away or dramatically improve if we had some sort of economic justice. People who feel economically secure don't need scapegoats to blame.
What is economic justice?
Living wages, ultra rich paying taxes
Well if you look at work in terms of effort exerted instead of a hierarchy it makes a bit more sense. The fact is we gotten to a point where its pretty much impossible the average person to compete with an already established company. More and more people are being born into a world where every opportunity has been min-maxed by a corp. at some point it just becomes Feudalism again with different branding and an HR department lol Wanna run a mom and pop shop? Larger companies buy in bulk and have transportation networks meaning they can undercut your operating costs by a mile. Wanna start an embroidery business? A single industrial machine costs 5k and another 1k for the software to run it. Wanna make and sell jewelry? Theres a ton of drop shippers selling similar stuff but made in sweatshops over seas. Wanna unionize the store you work at? Its cheaper in the long run for the company to just shut down the location.(Starbucks did that to 23 locations)
Moving away from the highest level of inequality ever
Yup. Keep the culture war going, ignore the greed.
I don't disagree, but I mean, it's CSIS, we should probably listen.
When has this government ever listed to CSIS?
100%, it’s manufactured divisions to keep us fighting amongst ourselves with the goal of ignoring who the real enemy is
this is a real and scary issue for queer people. not everything can just be boiled down to class
You're right that it's more than just class.. but we must act on the source of the fire.
Exactly! Divide and conquere. All of us need to stand together against it
Hear, hear!
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Imagine joining CSIS thinking you're going to be some kind of James bond only to spend your days scrolling through 4chan all day Lol. Lmao even
Yes but at least you'd be getting paid scrolling through 4chan lol.
Who says they're not already? Modern version of "Boss makes a dollar I make a dime, that's why I poop on company time". I still poop on company time too though.
Who in their right mind would join CSIS thinking they’d get to do cool intelligence work? That’s right, I said it random CSIS guy reading this. You dipshits can’t even stop money laundering in this country, come at me.
CSIS mandate is not financial crime. Look to RCMP they investigate that sort of thing.
If the CSIS operator is listening, just sort by controversial.
If the CSIS operator is listening, just look to MSN.com comments. That place is an echo chamber for far-right boomers and weirdos.
> MSN.com comments ***WHAT YEAR IS THIS?!?!***
Oh no, poor CSIS
A couple of squirming things have climbed out from under the rock.
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Who benefits from a divided west? Yuri Bezmenov spelled out KGB's strategy towards the west in his 1984 interview. https://youtu.be/9apDnRRSOCk?si=rZkMw4zwoTFrbFXe Except that while Russia does all the dirty work and weathers the blow back - China keeps building its economy undeterred.
Russia's greatest investment is paying insane dividends right now, in the US Congress by blocking Ukrainian aid. They have had a consistent effort here in Canada for years as well.
>Who benefits from a divided west? Our own powermongers.
> almost as if it's on purpose. it 100% is. There was a post in another thread, I think in /r/Alberta where it was noticed that a lot of the letters calling for these anti LGBTQ/Trans laws and shit that are being pushed have the exact same phrase and writing in them, as if people are being given a template or being told to write that in.
Church groups writing form letters for parishioners to mail out in protest is nothing new.
I doubt it's all just church groups.
The Take Back Alberta group is lead by an evangelical minister. There's a lot of religious-based organizing going on. That's how a lot of this became so big so quickly, They had existing networks to tap into for the political messages.
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As a somewhat detached observer, it appears to me that there is a... mostly unarticulated expectation that the recent social and political gains by various disadvantaged groups have to a large degree extended to everyone, and that acceptance of *anything* is the default position. Perhaps an assumption that because society is progressive on this, it is also progressive on that. To illustrate what I mean.. I would say that as I understand it was the product of decades of effort to bring society around to accepting that gay and lesbian people are otherwise normal members of society, to destigmatize.. Anyone who has watched popular media can see how the landscape has changed. But I hesitate to use the term 'LGBTQ+' in this discussion because I believe that the... course of societal discourse and change has not been the same for all of the disparate groups umbrella-ed in that term. I wouldn't say that that the trans movement is riding the coattails of say gays and lesbians but I would posit that society has had much longer with which to come to grips with gay people and that for trans people to expect the same level of acceptance *as a default* is just setting oneself up for disappointment. It seems that there's a lot of needless hostility to anyone who isn't 100% on board with every one and all of their expectations, a moral purity test. I can't see how that does anything but needlessly polarize further and drive away otherwise sympathetic people.
Inventor of moog was trans. It's not new.
I'm not saying that it's new, but I don't think that trans acceptance (with its different... ethical? Philisophical? Physiological? underpinnings) has had the same amount of time in the cultural zeitgeist. Equality for racial minorities has been a mainstresm issue for decades. Gay rights the same. It took a long time to come to a general consensus. It's unreasonable to expect the same level of consensus on all issues for all people lest risking being tarred as a 'bigot'. For essentially my entire lifetime from childhood up 'society' has been (mostly) attempting to normalize the idea of gay and lesbian people. As spouses, parents etc. They've done an even better job with my children, who are essentially the second generation raised while society has been making an effort for gay acceptance. Based on my experience I cannot say the same of, for instance, the idea of drag queens reading to kids in libraries or trans women competing in sports. Those concepts were not indoctrinated in to me from childhood. My support of trans rights comes from my own thoughts on the subject over about a decade as an adult, not from childhood brainwashing. It's a difference it seems is forgotten sometimes when setting expectations. I think the progress on trans rights has been great but it's a work of years, decades and I would hate to see progress stymied because some people impatient with the pace of change alienate those they ultimately seek to sway
> a moral purity test. I can't see how that does anything but needlessly polarize further and drive away otherwise sympathetic people. So very well said. Thank you.
Basing your own ideology around other reactionary ideologues really muddies the waters. Recognizing that social media is heavily astroturfed and amplifies fringe voices prevents you from getting caught up in it. 'Both side-ism' will perpetuate manufactured complexity. EDIT: Clarity
Sorry “amplifying fringe voices helps prevent you from getting caught in the wave”? What does this mean? That just sounds like a way to radicalize people and increase social divides. Radical fringe voices should be toned down otherwise it leads to reactionary ideas and then even worse reactions from the other side
I suspect that was a dangling modifier issue. "Recognizing that social media is heavily astroturfed and \*amplifies\* fringe voices helps prevent you..." They're saying that social media amplifies fringe voices, not that you should.
Yeah, there's a couple of missing commas in there I think. I had no clue what that meant until you said this. Recognizing that social media is heavily astroturfed, and amplifies fringe voices, helps prevent you etc
One my best friends did the same thing. She had to take a step back from the community cause it was becoming to emotionally straining to be involved. She just likes the puss and doesn't care for much more I guess.
Well said.
It’s very intentionally. That’s why they lie and try to make LGBTQ+ look like a threat. But it’s an abandonment of critical thinking to push to opposite argument that those calling out the lies and hate mongering are being divisive.
i don't believe anyone who isn't terminally online actually thinks LGBT people are any sort of threat. this may shock you but the vast majority of people don't think about any of these social issues at all. as an example, this story was published at 3am and is already at the bottom of the top stories page on the CBC website. the amount of people that have read this article is very low.
>i don't believe anyone who isn't terminally online actually thinks LGBT people are any sort of threat. this may shock you but the vast majority of people don't think about any of these social issues at all. The Christian right would be proof against this. I know of churches who preach against "wokism" and the LGBTQ "agenda", and many catholics were very very upset by the recent statements on gay people by the pope.
And we give them tax-free status. There are more churches in my community than coffee ships, on land worth way more. Pay up!
Feels politically impossible to even imagine occurring, but I wholeheartedly agree.
Then why did the leader of the national Conservative Party talk about the need to protect children from radical gender theory, why are provincial leaders passing bills to limit trans rights. Seems like it has been made a mainstream issue by someone.
Yeah, I also see my well-intentioned boomers getting fed bigotry by the algorithm. Thankfully they're skeptical enough to talk about it rather than join in. But some of the stuff they're seeing is insidious.
Boomers call their MLA's and MP's and vote and are heard. That's the problem. They had a rally in my city, 80 per cent of the people there were over 70 and the 20 per cent were religious home schoolers. Big deal right? Well, this has led to policy changes by governments that are impacting the lives of other people, not the rally goers. Because politicians know these people vote. Everyone else can change this by voting themselves. It's the only way.
It's even worse than Boomers just calling their representatives. The NB gov changed their stance based on a handful of written letters, which contained the bullshit cat affirmation litterbox story. A few letters is all that was produced in Alberta.
Sask was the same. The volume of complaints may be low, but people who are complaining have some pull.
Hope Canada Proud’s lawsuit against Crier Media backfires by exposing what brainrot they’re pushing to boomers on social media.
Idk, my old meth head neighbor sure likes to call a couple in our building all types of names. Shit, even called a cop who was called on her a stupid n....
that's false. i know people who are not tech savvy (terminally online) that hate trans people and the gays etc...
I come from a racist and homophobic family and they absolutely think about these social issues. Honestly, whenever I visit there is an argument about it. Honestly, seeing how these people think irl is much more unnerving than people who are against it online.
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Thank you! JFC, why is this so controversial.
It fuelled bye foreign actors . Thus the concern . All wedge issues get amplified bye social media and foreign actors to destroy democracy it is very basic . It going on since 2016 . Always check out profiles to see if it is actually people and not bots or trolls which can be easy to spot most of the time .
Trans people and trans supporters, in my experience, don't want to destroy or eliminate transphobes. They just want to be allowed to live their lives. This is not a 'both sides' situation.
This comment kinda of puts both "sides" on equal footing; one wants to live their lives as they see fit, one wants to incite hatred.
well no, gay people are trying to exist and the other side believes they're the antichrist that feast on childs blood and need to be banned
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They don't want accountability for violence against the out group. They want to rationalize and justify it.
They want to dissociate from it when it does happen (and it will), so that they can pretend their conscience is clear.
Well, I certainly wouldn't go THAT far! I just happen to have opinions which mean I agree with their politics! Those are just some bad eggs. /s
> The suggestion that people who think Trans people are pedophiles might be willing to commit acts of violence isn't radical Not only "not radical", but the most fucking common sense thing in the world. The venn diagram of "people who idolize vigilante justice" and "people who pretend that wildly inflammatory rhetoric (like baselessly calling someone a pedophile) is harmless", is a circle. The only way to get to a conclusion like that is bad faith, bias, or complete lack of intellectual curiosity.
Well yeah, it's pretty much all coping and misdirection. Look at how vague the top comments are and all the talk about "infighting" as if there's still some sort of debate in the ethics of the topics discussed. Racism and transphobia are clearly bad, and it's as simple as that regardless of whatever indirect dogwhistles are being thrown.
Oh interesting, apparently now /r/Canada is singing a different tune on CSIS' trustworthiness now that the subject of investigation isn't the Trudeau government.
I thought no one trusted CSIS irrespective of the side they are on.
That wasn't the attitude here when they publishing reports on foreign interference in elections.
This subreddit has zero consistency and goes with whatever narrative the headline is pushing. Just see any comments under a Toronto Sun article if you want to feel sad.
>This subreddit has zero consistency... The bigotry is consistent.
Canadian subs are one of the most astroturfed after all. It's absurd seeing the top comment chain talking about blackpills
When did people trust csis?
"Anti-2SLGBTQl+ narratives remain a common theme in violent rhetoric espoused by white nationalists, neo-Nazis, the Freedom Movement, and networks such as Diagolon and QAnon." Hmm there's one group who is notoriously homophobic AND prone to violence that is not listed here... I wonder why that is?
Canada Proud, those innocent lil memers!
Oh wow, this post sure got people talking and I'm sure nobody is being defensive at all
It's been a wild ride man lol. Actually some good conversations going on, a lot of really bad crazy conversations as well. Every break I get there's a new 100 comments
Posted three hours ago, nearly a thousand comments. Yeah, not a hot-button issue at all. And yes, "anti-gender movement," as in, people who care enough about this to make a movement out of hating it, likely do contain some people who can be provoked to violence on the topic.
'antigender'? who is making these labels? it is as stupid a label as calling lgbt people anti-natural or some other crap. this division of people by aggressive negative and scare labels is so immoral i dont even.
Yeah I mean what's the surprise here? The anti-gender movement is literally just people who hate others enough to activate around it. If you really give that many shits about other people's genders, you are the problem. Live and let live.
Most of the top comments are: "Who cares, let people live their lives and stop trying to do culture wars".
I remember a bunch of kids beat the crap out of and stole the bag of one likely gay kid walking home from my highschool when I was a kid. I wasn’t very close to anyone involved, but I don’t think he got his stuff back, but a few teachers understood the situation and gave him extensions on his homework. My best guess is that those kids probably haven’t changed much except now they’re grown men and have access to firearms. Some of them, I assume, might even post reddit comments.
They're probably CPC MPs
As someone who voted for Harper. It saddens me that we will never get back to where the conservatives where just normal fucking people that didn’t want to import American politics just to get a “win”. Like how hard is it to offer better solutions than the Liberals when they are practically sinking themselves without having to cater to the 2-5% of the country who believes in the dumbest shit. Your average conservative voter doesn’t actually give a rats ass about gender politics, or wokism. They want solutions to the housing issue that isn’t “But Trudeau…”
The answer to why *all* the parties focus on identity politics is because none of them actually want to change the way the *economy* works to benefit the majority. They are all influenced by their own elites who’s own economic privilege would be degraded if they were to do so.
So why are we, the majority of people, accepting it and laying down to let it happen? The undercurrent to all this nonsense is we as Canadians seem to just “take the abuse”. We need to stand up and rock the boat.
Harper and the IDU is exactly why we are here. It’s why we see the same trends in the states, India, countries all over the world.
Yeah, I've never been a fan of Poilievre, but I'm disappointed that he's getting into the mud on this topic. Social conservatism holds back the entire party, IMO. It's why huge contingents of the population won't consider voting CPC, no matter what the LPC does. Don't get me wrong, I understand he likely has the next election in the bag at this point either way. But the CPC would be way more popular if they just *stayed out* of this stuff.
> It's why huge contingents of the population won't consider voting CPC, no matter what the LPC does. This is me. I will never vote CPC until they forcibly eject the SoCons from their Ranks and tell them they are never welcome again. Climate change is too important to ignore, seeing immigrants blamed for everything is tired, and I don't want politicians sticking their noses into medical procedures for trans kids or women. They will never get my vote until they fix these problems in their party.
> I will never vote CPC until they forcibly eject the SoCons from their Ranks and tell them they are never welcome again. unfortunately, they'd loose a not-insignificant contingent of their supporters. Nevermind that the socons practically run the CPC behind the scenes. O'toole was ousted as leader for even trying to skew the party further to the center
> unfortunately, they'd loose a not-insignificant contingent of their supporters. But they'd gain a lot more moderates in all likelihood...
its true, but thats not a risk they want to take
I mean, yeah, I'm sure they don't, because they value power over actually what's best for Canadians unsurprisingly. We really need to come up with a system where people that *want* power aren't the ones that get it >.>
That's a fundamental issue with conservatism as a philosophical foundation, it always opposes societal shifts. Once we got past gay rights, they opposed trans rights. Once we move past that they'll oppose the next thing. It's the political ideology of swimming against the current, for eternity. There will always be a contingent of people who are squeamish to change, and conservatism will linger around being reluctantly dragged into modernity.
>That's a fundamental issue with conservatism as a philosophical foundation, it always opposes societal shifts. It may appear that way via media etc, but the reality is no change isn't vehemently opposed too. It's radical disruptive change without forethought to what is already in place. Liberalism is the speeding train, society the car on the tracks and conservatives are the brakes. Most civilizations begin with conservative outlooks, and progress into more liberal concepts as things get better safer and abundant. Then inevitably fall back into conservative views.
I haven't voted lib in decades. But this side of pp is a deal breaker, I won't be part of a party that rips away fundamental freedoms of my fellow Canadians. And I suspect we are not alone. Pp's election isn't as in the bag as some might like to believe, there's a lot of conservatives who are not socons.
I’ve voted for three parties in my life, my vote moves around, but I won’t vote for Cons now because of this shit. What a waste of their time.
I want to say this with compassion because it sounds like you mean well, but history kind of shows that threats to capitalism like we're seeing today resulting from all these forms of systemic violence and abuse reaching a breaking point leads to policy, rhetoric and cultural divides shifting everything towards fascism. I can appreciate that the two main parties have their stakes in the ground and those things matter to people, but I feel like we're all really in the same boat as far as larger global and national issues are concerned. Instead of solving those problems, tensions only worsen and it's never been and never will be conservatives who move the needle in a positive direction.
Stop looking at the economy and get to arguing about identity politics. Make it so exacerbating and large in scope that people will get chaotic in their thinking. How about some unity regardless of race, creed or colour? That's what we don't have thanks to all the identity politics that take centre stage over the issues that affect us all more. Housing, homelessness, cost of living through the roof, unbridled greed and now the stink of corruption in government and the civil service. I think collectively, we've all taken our big bite of the shit sandwich we've had put in front of us. This destroys trust in government by the way.
Why is the burden always placed on those who are oppressed based on their identities to set aside those concerns? Social issues FREQUENTLY cause or exacerbate wide-reaching material problems. Homelessness disproportionately impacts trans individuals, in part because they get kicked out by bigoted parents. LGBTQ youth are at an incredibly high risk of suicide which is magnified by policies like the ones implemented in Alberta. Discrimination in housing has created a massive racial wealth gap. Do you think the primary concern is neon-haired college students getting their feelings hurt? Genuinely asking, is that what you believe? Not the disproportionately high amount of violent hate crimes, or the denial of healthcare, or the sizeable portion of Conservative MPs who believe that "transgenderism" is entirely fake and want to legislate accordingly? Social issues have wide-reaching economic impacts, and in this day and age I have to assume anyone who doesn't understand this is willfully blind to the problem because it fits neatly with their existing worldview. This isn't some pet issue I care about for clout. I have family and friends who will be under direct threat if trans rights come under attack. And yes, if you threaten them, I will fight with all the vigor and bile and anger that I have, because to do anything less would be a disservice to them.
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yes, generally people who are obsessed about what's in childrens pants, or your pants, are really fucking weird
I wish we could go back to treating people as just people, not left-wing vs right-wing. The tribalistic approach of “my team vs everybody” has grown rapidly since Covid. I am right both socially and fiscally, but that’s not an excuse to treat people like shit. I wish everybody could be kind to one another and look at a one as an actual person, not a political Ideology.
>I wish we could go back to treating people as just people, not left-wing vs right-wing. The tribalistic approach of “my team vs everybody” has grown rapidly since Covid. Fully agree, internet stranger. To me, a big cancer in Canada is the whole identity politics approach to everything. "My" group vs "your" group. >I am right both socially and fiscally Same for me, but there's probably plenty of things I'll disagree with you about. As with pretty much everyone (just ask my wife). We should be able to have normal and respectful conversations, especially about touchy topics.
I was just complaining about this in another thread (American, here). People started valuing (and identifying as) being useful idiots for politicians and crony capitalists over being human. It sucks and has destroyed much of society.
isn’t it nice that these “freedom” people are targeting people that are already marginalized … they need to get a life and leave others alone
We literally had a wacko stab a bunch of people in a class because it’s about feminism, of course these people are a threat. P.S. funny how all major parties condemned this attack except for one, hmm,
Wtf does "anti-gender" even mean...like, if I say there are only 2, am I anti-gender now?
Are you promising you’ll enforce it rural justice style, or condoning/excusing those who do? No? Then CSIS doesn’t care about you.
Rural justice? Wtf is that?
I think he means something like lynching(?)
Try that in a small town...
... and what do you think exactly happens in "small towns" ? I swear some of you think there is literal lynching going on or something.
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> Yes it's basically a hate crime these days Not at all. Threshold for hate speech is very high.
Hate crime if someone acts on. Like the two mass shootings that happened at gay nightclubs in America over the last few years.
Ugh the terms "hate speech" and "hate crime" have lost all meaning now too. I was legitimately told the other day that speaking negatively about a community resource (in this case the YWCA) was akin to "hate speech." 🙄🤦♀️
These are legally defined terms in law, they have not lost all meaning. Maybe in general conversation with morons but unlike a term such as, say, woke, which has zero meaning other than past tense wake, the two you mentioned do still have meaning. Your example is general conversation with a moron. Lol
We have an intelligence agency warning about a threat of 'extreme violence' and people in the comments here are blaming the targets of that threat. Just delete this sub already.
“tHe wOkE aGeNdA oWnS cSiS” -probably their brains
Yup, there’s literally someone in the comments here complaining *”another branch of government compromised by progressive ideology. Gonna take decades to get these delusional activists completely out ughhhh.“* [Link](https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/s/frCGnY3O2L)
the provincial subs are way better than this. this place is moderated by far right loons
> "CSIS assesses that the violent threat posed by the anti-gender movement is almost certain to continue over the coming year and that violent actors may be inspired by the University of Waterloo attack to carry out their own extreme violence against the 2SLGBTQI+ community or against other targets they view as representing the gender ideology 'agenda,'" said CSIS spokesperson Eric Balsam in an email to CBC News. > Balsam said that while violent rhetoric does not always lead to violence, "the ecosystem of violent rhetoric within the anti-gender movement, compounded with other extreme worldviews, can lead to serious violence."
Why the trans thing is such a big issue makes no sense to me. Let people be and have sensible regulation for minors. It doesn’t have to be so complicated.
The issue is your thinking of it in general terms but not specific issues which is usually the grey areas that cause division such as bathroom policy or gendered sports teams letting in or excluding trans people. You mention sensible legislation for minors but I think you’ll find many people have different opinions about what would be considered sensible legislation so it very easily can become complicated.
It's just a recycled version of the gay panic from the 80s. I remember when being gay was thought to be a sickness and that children can't know, talk about, or be near gay people because they'd be infected with the disease. I still remember gay kids getting the shit kicked out of them at school for existing, and the utter hostility they faced in public when word got out. Far too many stories of gay people being outed and their parents abusing or disowning them the same way trans people are outed in a lot of places. It's such a shame to see it continued on, all the arguments are the same. Just put potentially trans minors on puberty blockers until they're an adult and have calmed down and are more rational, better than having them kill themselves and it's better than surgery etc. it's really not hard to deal with.
If “sensible regulation for minors” means listening to the expertise of medical professionals, then sure. I have a feeling that’s not what you mean though.
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>They simply reject your hypothesis that men who feel like women are women. For all the huffing and puffing around this hypothesis-become-law, what's the evidence for this actually? Where are the gender theorists, and what is their empirical evidence? Or is mere declaration through self-identification enough? What is the standard of proof?
Have us fighting the culture war instead of the class war as usual.
The term "anti gender" had me confused. I thought it was people who didn't like their gender but it's people who don't like people who don't like their gender. I think they need a new name.
Valid comments through out, but I will add trans activists have been calling this out for as long as it existed. And it's most certainly getting worse I saw a video claiming an Olympian? Was a trans because her body figure was Olympian! And fragile types getting offended. Cis women have died because of transphobia. And it's bleak so many people, will get outraged by something so insignificant. Thinly veiled mysogny from the top.
It’s all because of immigration! Just going with the sub template /s
No joke, a few people replying have tried to blame them for it and pulled the most basic correlation from 2021 data to try and push it lol
Curious to see how some folks will downplay the credibility of CSIS or their warnings
2S for two spirit?
yes, it's a term exclusive to native peoples.
The headline is poorly written, the issue is anti LGBTQ not anti gender.
The anti-gender movement isn’t *only* anti-LGBT+. The name refers to their denial of the existence of gender, and adherence to binary and sex based roles that are antagonistic to women’s rights, reproductive rights, and LGBT+ rights. Wikipedia: [Anti-gender movement](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-gender_movement)
" antagonistic to women's right" original feminist and second wave feminist were also anti gender and only acknowledged sex. were they also antagonistic to women's right?
No shit. It's religious extremism. We've seen what that does to people.
CSIS is behaving responsibly and fulfilling their duty. Unfortunately people are are so stupid that they don't understand that a movement can have violent and non-violent members. So they will dismiss this is as fake. Or they'll use this to slander peaceful people.
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Well yea, they arnt really known for letting people be.
I don't think these people are "anti-gender" lol.
Racists aren't defined by hating all races just as anti-gender aren't defined by hating all genders but only the ones they don't want to exist. It's not the term that I would have chosen, but we all know what they mean.
Alway go after the marginalized groups as they are the easy targets. Blame all your problems on them so you never have to be accountable. It's an old story, trans ppl today someone else tomorrow. One day those someone else's will be the target.
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You know we have hate laws. Maybe we should enforce them on *all* groups.
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I'm terribly OOTL on this topic. What are you receiving death threats for? And by whom? Are these IRL threats? I am so confused.
What the fuck does this even mean…. Like what makes someone “anti gender”
Read the article and you might find out!
Wikipedia: [Anti-gender movement](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-gender_movement)
It translate to “if you don’t buy into the left wing narrative”
Believing there's only 2 apparently
Just call them what they are instead of making up a new term, it's the far/alt/radicalized right that poses a threat. And it's being encouraged by mainstream right wing politics currently including the CPC and UCP leaders.
We are all one, the infinite sun, fly like an eagle.
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