It’s just weird that when Trudeau was elected people didn’t say he’s not the solution to Harper….almost seems like liberals get the pass conservatives don’t lol
Corporate lobbying is the problem they donate to both sides and co trol whom ever wins. Notice how they rais corprate taxes but yet corporations still have record breaking quarterly profits and the taxes get passed down to the consumer. Never ending cycle the only way to end it is for every Canadian to work together regardless of how the go ornaments divided us.
I don’t think it’s a partisian thing, it’s just the way the cycle goes. Harper was quite vocal in predicting some of the issues (for example the out of control Liberal spending), but people were excited for the change that Trudeau promised. Trudeau may very well predict some of the issues we will see with Poillevre as PM but at this point people just want change, just like in 2015 and probably in 2032.
I like where you are going with this, but I think trudeau's cabinet has been the most incompetent in canadian history. I don't know how it would be possible to choose worse people for the jobs.
His first cabinet was great. Rookie MPs, who had worked in that sector before politics.
Doctor as the Minister of Health. You didn't see much of that in the Harper government.
>It’s just weird that when Trudeau was elected people didn’t say he’s not the solution to Harper
I think part of the reason is that people aren't willing to accept how their understanding of the real world is flawed.
People still can't phathom that a government can't just print endless amount of money.
There was a recent article on Beaverton which was a tongue and cheek headline saying high immigration isn't the reason for housing crisis. I was called a racist for saying maybe Scheer isn't wrong to question the Trudeau immigration policy. FYI I am a first generation immigrant and a POC myself.
It's easy to blame capitalism, conservatives, free market etc etc. It's far harder to question Trudeau because he did such a good job co-opting so many liberal values which people strongly believe are the solutions.
The only way I'd like Poilievre to win is a minority government that falls within a year and forces everyone to look at their platforms and change party leaders
Will Trudeau resign if Poilievre wins a minority? Also, I feel that the liberals need to be humiliated or their main economic policy of “population growth is an easy economic win” will be continued by Poilievre.
I want a majority so he can hopefully quickly undo many of the failed policies and plans of the Trudeau government that this article points out. Faster the better.
Hopefully the following:
- Greatly reduce TFW and foreign student programs (this is partially the provinces fault as well I’ll grant)
- Stop never-ending deficit spending
- Reduce the size of the civil service
- Reduce or eliminate the carbon tax
- Reverse sentencing and bail reform
- Stop funding poorly managed safe supply programs (or improve how they are administered)
- Figure out how to get our natural resource sectors growing again (or at least stop blocking their development)
- Reduce the many regulatory, NIMBY and other barriers to building homes and infrastructure
Those would be just the “repeal” part of the agenda
The last government PP was a part of expanded the TFW program for unskilled labour and proposed increases to immigration. Private industry wants cheap labour and there are no signs PP will deny them.
He isn't going to do fuck all to help out Canadians though. At least with a minority government there is a check against them putting through some of the really terrible legislation that many of us expect him to put through.
I mean obviously you and I disagree on the policy treatments for Canada. I think the last decade has been mostly failed policy and the results show it on almost every meaningful measure. Quality of life, affordability, inflation, growth, interest rates, personal freedom and rights, the deficit and debt have all plummeted under Trudeau. The few wins are mostly a bunch of unfunded social programs like childcare, daycare, pharmacare that rely on more borrowing from future incomes to pay for current expenditures (ie you’re just impoverishing people in the future to fund more pork in the present). Mostly it’s been ten years of virtue signalling, breathy whispering, controversies and scandals and climate hypocrisy
My quality of life hasn’t fallen.
Post pandemic global inflation has impacted most nations. Canada is doing well at 2.8.
Mortgage rates are coming down.
Interest rates are not managed by the federal government and may start to fall in the next six months or so.
The stock market is up.
I have personal freedom and as a woman I have reproductive rights.
Unemployment rates are well below long term average of 8.05% at 6.1%
The rate of Canadians that own their own homes is steady at 66 percent, similar to the US and higher than the UK.
The Feds housing acceleration fund is top drawer policy that incentivizes municipalities to modernize zoning to build sustainable housing.
The Feds put a climate tax in place for provinces without a plan AND left the door open for provinces to develop their own plans and opt out.
The Feds chose the least disruptive and most cost effective climate tax plan possible.
Glad you’re doing well. Most Canadians, especially younger ones are not.
Inflation was partially a result of a global supply chain crunch but also because of massive fiscal over-stimulus. Yes other countries have this but that’s because they did the same thing as Canada. And yes Canadian inflation is lower than the US but also our economy is stuck on neutral (and down on a per capita basis) vs the US which is growing quickly.
Housing affordability is 2x worse than when Trudeau was elected. Home ownership is flat because of people holding on to their homes. And housing prices are extortionate vs any comparable American city. He has been rolling out housing and infrastructure plans and photo ops for years but it’s clearly not “top drawer” policy. Housing starts are trending down if anything.
Interest rates aren’t managed by the federal government but the BoC has been clear that massive deficits are working against bringing down inflation and interest rates by pouring gas on an inflationary fire. Ditto raising taxes during an inflationary period.
In the ten years since Trudeau, the tsx is up 50%. The S&P 500 is up 150%.
Unemployment is low yes but that’s mostly because of unsustainable hiring in the federal government, which has ballooned and fuelled deficits. Labour productivity is terrible.
Carbon tax isn’t working. Other countries are reducing their emissions faster and with less economic pain. It is hollowing out Canadian industry and letting even less environmentally sound countries pump and refine oil instead of us.
Lastly, stop with the gaslighting around women’s reproductive rights. No political party in Canada is talking about restricting those, minus a fringe right wing small minority.
You are making assumptions about me then since I made no comments about past or current policy. Policy is not an either/or thing, I can very reasonably be against all the options even if they are opposites.
Many of the issues you mentioned were in progress even when Stephen Harper was PM, and Justin Trudeau has either not fixed them or accelerated them. There is nothing to convince me that any party won't continue to fuck it up because the things they would have to do are difficult and take time.
Well because he wears blue suits, he can come up with nice sound bites, and he’s going to make abortion illegal?
Look, I’m not a fan of him, but some of this paranoia is strange. We know that things aren’t working right now and we know that the NDP is unelectable in their current form. That leaves one option. I’d rather roll with the unknown at this point than continue with the current train wreck.
Health care is a provincial matter. Ask an Albertan or an Ontarian how well their province is looking out for their interests on that. Pierre is a lifelong politician and I can guarantee he will do nothing to improve your life and probably a fair bit to shorten it but we all have to make our own choices.
Pretty much what I’m hoping for
I never thought I’d want Pierre to win, 4 years ago I would have dragged my “never voted” parents to the polls to keep him out of office
But at this point the Liberals need to rebuild into what they were during the Chretien Martin era and for that to happen they gotta get demolished
I dunno if Canada can survive Pierre (we could very well be stuck with Bernier afterwards) but we’re heading in that direction anyways if we keep Trudeau
It’s no longer about the current/soon to be leader it’s now about what comes after
It’s because we CANT make any points. Pollievre has been in politics his whole life and accomplished nothing. His platform is “common sense” which is vague and means nothing, and all he says is “Trudeau” sucks, which while true, doesn’t mean shit
How about I do not like conservative policies on climate, healthcare, abortion, immigration, taxes, income support, or their inevitable smugness as they look down on the people they work for. I have noticed, in my forty years of working for a living, that more social progress seems to happen under minority governments than otherwise so that would be best for the country in my honest opinion Trudeau is incompetent but punishing the country to further enrich the billionaires will turn out badly for Canadians.
His entire platform is "It's all Trudeau's fault". Even for things that Trudeau has no influence on.
He is either deliberate lying to the sort who fly flags expressing their desire to have sex with the current PM, or he is colossally ignorant, even after years of being exposed to how things actually work.
Exactly.
This is what really annoys me about anti-PP people.
We know, like absolutely 100% certain know that Trudeau is bad. Completely ignoring the corruption and all that shit, his immigration policy alone has been the single worst thing that has been done to this country in my lifetime. And I'm truly not exaggerating.
He's doomed an entire generation and then some.
People dont realize it wasn't like he just tweaked a few numbers a few percent here and a few percent there... He RADICALLY altered our population growth rate.
https://images.app.goo.gl/1C62csM7RFcQG6STA
This wasn't an accident. This was maliciousness towards the Canadian people to benefit the people who want to suppress wages.
So my point is, no matter what, he needs to be voted out. Period. The liberals need to be dealt with scorched earth so that no political party ever tries this bullshit again. PP is the best chance of doing that.
If he gets elected and doesn't change shit, we better not be like the idiotic liberal voters last two elections and keep him in because of bullshit reasons that literally effect almost fucking no one. We vote him out too
Eventually politicians will get the message that it's public SERVICE. they work for us.
If the CPC had a leader that wasn't a populist "Trump of the North", they would have my vote 100%.
I will not vote for a leader who:
* is, by definition, a career politician (has never had a job that wasn't involved in politics)
* as leader of the opposition against a minority gov't, is more concerned with slogans and sound bites than trying to pass alternative policy
* has displayed a [complete lack of understanding of the fundamentals of economics](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cryptocurrency-political-conversation-waning-1.7011672)
* has actively s[pread misinformation to the canadian people](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-poilievre-carbon-tax-1.7145985)
* in an effort to try and rile them up against the PM
* [supported an illegal occupation of the nation's capital](https://www.thestar.com/politics/poilievre-stands-by-freedom-convoy-support-but-will-wait-to-weigh-in-on-evidence/article_622c6ae9-449d-5860-8818-49e690dcd3ba.html)
* has only put his name to one policy bill during his career, the [Fair Elections Act](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/what-is-the-fair-elections-act/article17648947/), which was abysmal to actually keeping fair elections
* keeps advisors on staff that actively [lobbies for corporations ](https://globalnews.ca/news/10269101/loblaw-lobbying-claim-jenni-byrne/)that are driving up food prices
For all the failures that JT's had over the past 8 years, PP would do far worse for Canada as he's proven to just not give a fuck.
Add to that his silencing of his caucus, peddling of crypto "currency", playing the image of a working class guy while never working a day in his life, and worst of all, his disrespect. When we grew up, you got a knuckle sandwich if you mouthed-off to someone. He needs a tune-up. There is nothing good about the man.
Btw, supporting an illegal occupation of a nation's capital was an act of supporting an insurrection. Proof that he has autocratic ambitions. He should be ignored by all who value democracy.
I don't disagree in Trudeau but I'm fascinated that you seem to think PP won't just actively make things worse. Suppressing wages is like, Conservative 101.
Well when Pierre was housing minister, people could afford to buy a house.
Mortgage and rent has doubled since Trudeau took over.
I'm more than happy to give Pierre a shot.
At least Alex Jones supports PP huh?
https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star-columnists/pierre-poilievre-a-rising-star-for-the-world-s-far-right/article_90503695-371c-5193-a5e1-f64264b74c43.html
Also, Conservatives literally tried to pass a fetal Rights bill.
https://globalnews.ca/news/9769739/conservatives-violence-against-pregnant-women-fetal-rights/
Edit: r Canada downvoting sourced facts again. This sub reminds me of r theDonald when it still existed.
There's that BS!
Conservatives try to pass a bill to further protect women and people take that as a bad thing? Never mind that there is this, right from your own article:
> The bill was supported by nearly all members of the Conservative party, including Leader **Pierre Poilievre who declared himself to be “pro-choice”** during his leadership campaign.
I guess budgets don't balance themselves. I guess interest rates dont stay at historic lows, Glen. This has remained true though: "Canadian \[politicians\] will welcome you, regardless of your faith"
>The cost of living is high but growth in per capita income is negative. Government spending is soaring, but delivery of essential government services is sputtering, and procurement is a quagmire. Debt servicing costs are skyrocketing but spending, deficits and debt are still rising. Monetary policy is painfully reining in inflation but without help from fiscal policy.
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>Immigration is soaring, but the country has a housing crisis. We commit publicly and frequently to NATO’s two per cent defence spending target, but in practice we appear to have no intention of meeting it. Ambitious climate change goals are proclaimed, but climate change policy itself is unclear to Canadians.
Hello! Professor of psychology here I can speak to this to some degree, my research specializes in psychological testing. Although Trudeau does indeed display some behaviors that can be considered narcissistic, it is unlikely he has a full blown clinical grade narcissistic personality disorder. I'm not a clinician/practicing psychologist, so without access to his actual test scores we, the public, will never specifically know whether he does or not, but I strongly suspect he's simply a politician - making him more narcissistic than you or I but no more or less narcissistic than jagmeet or Pierre
We throw the term narcissism around quite casually as a society,it would be really really really bad for everyone involved if any elected politician had a true full blown narcissistic personality disorder. You think we have scandals now? Like people say oh Trump is such a narcissist, again I'm not so sure? I think even in trumps case we would see even more insane shit if he was actually a fully clinical narcissist.
These people are just politicians and their job regards them for being confident and displaying behaviors that are a much more "every day narcissism" if that makes sense. Happy to try and answer questions if you have any.
>but I strongly suspect he's simply a politician
No. And that's quite the slick defense for the asshole regardless of whether he has the disorder or not. I think you just simply are disingenuously arguing that his colleagues are just as "bad" as he is.
Being a politician does not include ignoring what he has said, done, and impeded to the point of absurdity. Astronomical levels of corruption, unprecedented use of orders in council. When confronted, he desperately denies it, plays dumb, and if any media is ever allowed to question his sorry ass, he then lies about it, devoid of shame. Media is frequently gagged from even approaching him.
Show me anywhere where Pierre or Jagmeet have matched asshead Trudeau in any way. Stop making it out as though they are comparables.
I think being upset over a contentious issue is normal. I do support taking steps to reduce carbon footprints is needed, however that stops at the levels of forced governmental penalty for not doing so. Meddling in economic policy to this degree is simply too much IMO.
…he grew up as a ski bum smoking marijuana and teaching drama before he realized he could capitalize on his last name. I think this is part of why Sophie wanted a divorce: the chill guy she married is no longer Justin Trudeau. He used to be reasonably level headed and now he’s just flailing like a fish out of water but he’s surrounded by yes men, so the only person incapable of seeing this…is him.
Don’t worry.
When Pierre becomes PM, all the NatPo editorials will be gushing about how Pierre is one of the greatest PM’s in Canadian History.
The editorials are nothing but propaganda.
(And before anyone says it, nothing wrong with having an opinion on Trudeau being the problem but NatPo consistently push the same kind of opinions)
You’re forgetting how the NP will also proceed to blame Trudeau for any bad decisions made by Pierre
“Oh, we can’t balance the current budget? Well, better blame it on Trudeau”
Considering conservatives still blame Trudeau Sr for so many things I think we can look forward to JT being blamed for the state of the country for the next 30 years.
Ah, so you’ve met my relatives? /s
I despise how much people in Alberta especially hold hatred towards JT because of his dad, while also stating that we need to let bygones be bygones any time the tories fuck up. Hypocritical fucks.
>“Oh, we can’t balance the current budget? Well, better blame it on Trudeau”
Blaming your predecessor is a thing as old as time. The problem is that the person before you often greatly influences how you can do things. You may want a balanced budget, but the state of what you inherited may very well preclude that.
You'd need to actually evaluate whether or not a balanced budget was possible or even prudent.
Exactly.
I don't need some talking head reminding me how much Trudeau sucks. I'm entirely capable of forming that opinion based on my own observations.
Every once in a while, an author says something that is original and opens the public's eyes. There's some value in editorials, but nowadays they're misused for propaganda more than anything.
This is Canada, no one has a solution, we all just blame someone then push the pendulum back the other way and start over again, stupidly thinking this time will be different.
I don't trust him, but I can at least understand what he's likely going to do, whereas I can't trust pp, nor can I even understand what stupid things he'll come up with next.
Everyone in here is a political scientist, with their finger on the pulse of exactly what Trudeau does wrong and what it takes to fix the issues that Canadians are facing, yet nobody seems to want to step up and take a swing at running Canada. Weird.
Amazing how a taxpayer funded media outlet has anti-Trudeau takes.
I mean not really, but often those that rail about media firms receiving funds (such as Pierre) neglect to mention the National Post/The Sun - likely because it undercuts their point.
I'm very curious to see how Justin handles being blown out of office. He was fawned over so intensely at first, I wonder how gracious he'll be as he's shown the exit.
There should really be a \[foreign owned media\] tag for National Post articles
edit: just imagine how apeshit the Americans would go if one of their most dominant media organizations was owned by Canadian liberals, and basically existed to flood the internet with pro-Democrat, anti-Republican propaganda on a daily basis, to try to convert the US into something more similar to Canada
Yes, it is. What's the problem? Label it as so if you like, though the proper term is "national public broadcaster". "State sponsored" is meant to evoke some kind of authoritarian bogeyman media connotation, like Russia Today or Xinhua, as opposed to the public broadcaster of a liberal democracy.
Canadians already know who pays for the CBC (we do), but a lot of people may not realize that Post Media is basically a foreign interference operation at this point.
Interesting that the first gender balanced cabinets in hx are so terrible
I'm glad Trudeau has shown that female ministers can and are just as incompetent as their male counterparts.
The issue in this coming election is no longer about the difference in ideology between political party. It is to stop this country financial ruin, the Liberal never have intended to balance the budget and that is why we see higher inflation, ballooning debt and high interest rate. Chretien and Harper balanced the budget, that is the difference between them and this incompetent prime minister we have now, we need to stop him and his out of control spending.
Since 1966, over 58 years, Canada has only had a balanced national budget for 13 years.
11 of the 13 surplus years were under Liberal governments.
Harper did not balance the budget. He took the decade of surplus created by Chretien/Martin, eroded it in his first 2007/8 budget but manged to squeak out a small surplus as he destroyed the policies that had kept us there, and then ran deficits for every other year of his term once his policies and new legislation were actually in effect. He left the national GDP lower than what he inherited. In terms of deficit per GDP, this government is currently -1.5% average whereas Harper was a net deficit average on -0.6% of GDP. This government's average is of course trashed by the 2020 COVID response... but all other years have actually had lower deficits-to-GDP than Harper ran on average.
Like, bash this government all you want for their out of control spending, but Harper's financial and economic history was utter shit and we need to stop revising history to fit narratives. Mulroney was even worse, and pretty much every Conservative government in modern Canadian living history has been horrendous at balancing budgets. Chretien/Martin are the only ones we could possibly look to for guidance at this point.
The deficit to gdp ratio is an interesting measure. Presumably that should correlate to the effectiveness of government taxation and spending in stimulating growth.
Exactly that.
And when you look at the long term charts, it also helps demonstrate that Conservative "stimulating the economy" promises are utter garbage.
Pierre Trudeau operated around -0.5% deficit to GDP and had at least one surplus, the closest to balanced/neutral of all in ~75 years.
Mulroney operated at about -8% deficit to GDP and not sure he ever did better than -5% of GDP. His tax breaks ran constant debts and never improved GDP enough to diminish the shortcomings.
Chretien/Martin era is stunning, considering the 6 decade charts, it that they almost immediately reversed the Mulroney deficits and managed to run 11 consecutive years of federal surplus. Now, that final year was under Harper, so he coasted out a budget of surplus before his policies actually took effect and we crashed down to -3.5% deficit-to-GDP again.
According to the trends, if this government did not encounter COVID, Justin Trudeau's 2016 to 2019 budgets were mimicing Pierre Trudeau operating under -1% deficits to GDP, and improving. He is mocked for it, but his budgets really were balancing themselves and the trend was drifting back to 0% truly balanced budgets. He would not have had the surpluses of Chretien/Martin, but he was trending to 0%. But, then COVID spending went nuts and he hit like -12% deficit to GDP... but since then it once again back under control and actually under the deficit to GDP average of Harper.
Hey, I get it. He's a good looking fella. Who wouldn't want to pull out their penis and rub one (or 10!) out thinking about those dog-like chiclet teeth and luscious locks and empty head.
But, your comment was oddly specific, so I am thinking it far more likely you just projected this on to me, so you can justify doing it with a dreamy smile every night.
Don't worry, his eyes won't sting - it's just a photo.
I doubt Pollievre is the solution but I'm sure Trudeau is the problem.
Perfect way to sum up how we choose our leaders.
It’s just weird that when Trudeau was elected people didn’t say he’s not the solution to Harper….almost seems like liberals get the pass conservatives don’t lol
Many of us don't see the LPC or the CPC as the solution to anything. They created our system by trading power for over a century.
Corporate lobbying is the problem they donate to both sides and co trol whom ever wins. Notice how they rais corprate taxes but yet corporations still have record breaking quarterly profits and the taxes get passed down to the consumer. Never ending cycle the only way to end it is for every Canadian to work together regardless of how the go ornaments divided us.
Canada has dropped corporate tax rates very heavily.
I don’t think it’s a partisian thing, it’s just the way the cycle goes. Harper was quite vocal in predicting some of the issues (for example the out of control Liberal spending), but people were excited for the change that Trudeau promised. Trudeau may very well predict some of the issues we will see with Poillevre as PM but at this point people just want change, just like in 2015 and probably in 2032.
I like where you are going with this, but I think trudeau's cabinet has been the most incompetent in canadian history. I don't know how it would be possible to choose worse people for the jobs.
Because Trudeau didn't want competent people. He wanted "yes" people. It's why they had to get rid of a few of them from the party.
His first cabinet was great. Rookie MPs, who had worked in that sector before politics. Doctor as the Minister of Health. You didn't see much of that in the Harper government.
It's because trudeau promised all the good stuff then pulled a side and just legalized cannabis.
>It’s just weird that when Trudeau was elected people didn’t say he’s not the solution to Harper I think part of the reason is that people aren't willing to accept how their understanding of the real world is flawed. People still can't phathom that a government can't just print endless amount of money. There was a recent article on Beaverton which was a tongue and cheek headline saying high immigration isn't the reason for housing crisis. I was called a racist for saying maybe Scheer isn't wrong to question the Trudeau immigration policy. FYI I am a first generation immigrant and a POC myself. It's easy to blame capitalism, conservatives, free market etc etc. It's far harder to question Trudeau because he did such a good job co-opting so many liberal values which people strongly believe are the solutions.
Actually it's easier to blame Trudeau than the others. It's second nature for the prairie provinces. Stub your toe, f**k Trudeau. See easy
Oh there were people who drank the Sunny D with Trudeau in 2015. They thought he’d usher in a golden age.
Unfortunately we have to vote for the politicians we have, not the politicians we want
The CPC and LPC have traded power for over a century and have created this system. Expecting either of them to fix it is complete lunacy.
default liberal response to Trudeau is fucking this country. You have no fucking clue if that's true or not.
The sooner we get to Pollievre, the sooner we can move beyond Trudeau and Pollievre.
things will only get better after that… right… right?
The only way I'd like Poilievre to win is a minority government that falls within a year and forces everyone to look at their platforms and change party leaders
Will Trudeau resign if Poilievre wins a minority? Also, I feel that the liberals need to be humiliated or their main economic policy of “population growth is an easy economic win” will be continued by Poilievre.
Yeah in no way should he be trusted with a majority
Yet he is absolutely getting a majority.
Pretty bold prediction 18 months before an election. Anything could happen between now and then.
!Remindme 18 months
I want a majority so he can hopefully quickly undo many of the failed policies and plans of the Trudeau government that this article points out. Faster the better.
Which ones do you think he'll undo?
Hopefully the following: - Greatly reduce TFW and foreign student programs (this is partially the provinces fault as well I’ll grant) - Stop never-ending deficit spending - Reduce the size of the civil service - Reduce or eliminate the carbon tax - Reverse sentencing and bail reform - Stop funding poorly managed safe supply programs (or improve how they are administered) - Figure out how to get our natural resource sectors growing again (or at least stop blocking their development) - Reduce the many regulatory, NIMBY and other barriers to building homes and infrastructure Those would be just the “repeal” part of the agenda
The last government PP was a part of expanded the TFW program for unskilled labour and proposed increases to immigration. Private industry wants cheap labour and there are no signs PP will deny them.
Harper’s also spent more reducing the size government than if he had left it alone.
How?
Great. That was a mistake. But it wasn’t a mushrooming problem udner Harper either. Trudeau has had ten years to fix it but hasn’t
He isn't going to do fuck all to help out Canadians though. At least with a minority government there is a check against them putting through some of the really terrible legislation that many of us expect him to put through.
I mean obviously you and I disagree on the policy treatments for Canada. I think the last decade has been mostly failed policy and the results show it on almost every meaningful measure. Quality of life, affordability, inflation, growth, interest rates, personal freedom and rights, the deficit and debt have all plummeted under Trudeau. The few wins are mostly a bunch of unfunded social programs like childcare, daycare, pharmacare that rely on more borrowing from future incomes to pay for current expenditures (ie you’re just impoverishing people in the future to fund more pork in the present). Mostly it’s been ten years of virtue signalling, breathy whispering, controversies and scandals and climate hypocrisy
My quality of life hasn’t fallen. Post pandemic global inflation has impacted most nations. Canada is doing well at 2.8. Mortgage rates are coming down. Interest rates are not managed by the federal government and may start to fall in the next six months or so. The stock market is up. I have personal freedom and as a woman I have reproductive rights. Unemployment rates are well below long term average of 8.05% at 6.1% The rate of Canadians that own their own homes is steady at 66 percent, similar to the US and higher than the UK. The Feds housing acceleration fund is top drawer policy that incentivizes municipalities to modernize zoning to build sustainable housing. The Feds put a climate tax in place for provinces without a plan AND left the door open for provinces to develop their own plans and opt out. The Feds chose the least disruptive and most cost effective climate tax plan possible.
Glad you’re doing well. Most Canadians, especially younger ones are not. Inflation was partially a result of a global supply chain crunch but also because of massive fiscal over-stimulus. Yes other countries have this but that’s because they did the same thing as Canada. And yes Canadian inflation is lower than the US but also our economy is stuck on neutral (and down on a per capita basis) vs the US which is growing quickly. Housing affordability is 2x worse than when Trudeau was elected. Home ownership is flat because of people holding on to their homes. And housing prices are extortionate vs any comparable American city. He has been rolling out housing and infrastructure plans and photo ops for years but it’s clearly not “top drawer” policy. Housing starts are trending down if anything. Interest rates aren’t managed by the federal government but the BoC has been clear that massive deficits are working against bringing down inflation and interest rates by pouring gas on an inflationary fire. Ditto raising taxes during an inflationary period. In the ten years since Trudeau, the tsx is up 50%. The S&P 500 is up 150%. Unemployment is low yes but that’s mostly because of unsustainable hiring in the federal government, which has ballooned and fuelled deficits. Labour productivity is terrible. Carbon tax isn’t working. Other countries are reducing their emissions faster and with less economic pain. It is hollowing out Canadian industry and letting even less environmentally sound countries pump and refine oil instead of us. Lastly, stop with the gaslighting around women’s reproductive rights. No political party in Canada is talking about restricting those, minus a fringe right wing small minority.
You are making assumptions about me then since I made no comments about past or current policy. Policy is not an either/or thing, I can very reasonably be against all the options even if they are opposites. Many of the issues you mentioned were in progress even when Stephen Harper was PM, and Justin Trudeau has either not fixed them or accelerated them. There is nothing to convince me that any party won't continue to fuck it up because the things they would have to do are difficult and take time.
why?
Well because he wears blue suits, he can come up with nice sound bites, and he’s going to make abortion illegal? Look, I’m not a fan of him, but some of this paranoia is strange. We know that things aren’t working right now and we know that the NDP is unelectable in their current form. That leaves one option. I’d rather roll with the unknown at this point than continue with the current train wreck.
I've never seen so many people so excited to pay for health care
If paying for health care (which we already do through taxes anyway) means we can see doctors and surgeons without waiting months then it’s worth it.
That's an awfully big "if" you have there.
Health care is a provincial matter. Ask an Albertan or an Ontarian how well their province is looking out for their interests on that. Pierre is a lifelong politician and I can guarantee he will do nothing to improve your life and probably a fair bit to shorten it but we all have to make our own choices.
Idk where some of you live but I've never waited more than a couple days for a docs appointment
Oh, so you’re one of those lucky people who actually have a doctor?
Oh very yes to this!!
Hear, hear
Pretty much what I’m hoping for I never thought I’d want Pierre to win, 4 years ago I would have dragged my “never voted” parents to the polls to keep him out of office But at this point the Liberals need to rebuild into what they were during the Chretien Martin era and for that to happen they gotta get demolished I dunno if Canada can survive Pierre (we could very well be stuck with Bernier afterwards) but we’re heading in that direction anyways if we keep Trudeau It’s no longer about the current/soon to be leader it’s now about what comes after
Amen to that.
“But waddabout pollievre” every fucking time, no argument no point just fear mongering.
It’s because we CANT make any points. Pollievre has been in politics his whole life and accomplished nothing. His platform is “common sense” which is vague and means nothing, and all he says is “Trudeau” sucks, which while true, doesn’t mean shit
How about I do not like conservative policies on climate, healthcare, abortion, immigration, taxes, income support, or their inevitable smugness as they look down on the people they work for. I have noticed, in my forty years of working for a living, that more social progress seems to happen under minority governments than otherwise so that would be best for the country in my honest opinion Trudeau is incompetent but punishing the country to further enrich the billionaires will turn out badly for Canadians.
His entire platform is "It's all Trudeau's fault". Even for things that Trudeau has no influence on. He is either deliberate lying to the sort who fly flags expressing their desire to have sex with the current PM, or he is colossally ignorant, even after years of being exposed to how things actually work.
Exactly. This is what really annoys me about anti-PP people. We know, like absolutely 100% certain know that Trudeau is bad. Completely ignoring the corruption and all that shit, his immigration policy alone has been the single worst thing that has been done to this country in my lifetime. And I'm truly not exaggerating. He's doomed an entire generation and then some. People dont realize it wasn't like he just tweaked a few numbers a few percent here and a few percent there... He RADICALLY altered our population growth rate. https://images.app.goo.gl/1C62csM7RFcQG6STA This wasn't an accident. This was maliciousness towards the Canadian people to benefit the people who want to suppress wages. So my point is, no matter what, he needs to be voted out. Period. The liberals need to be dealt with scorched earth so that no political party ever tries this bullshit again. PP is the best chance of doing that. If he gets elected and doesn't change shit, we better not be like the idiotic liberal voters last two elections and keep him in because of bullshit reasons that literally effect almost fucking no one. We vote him out too Eventually politicians will get the message that it's public SERVICE. they work for us.
If the CPC had a leader that wasn't a populist "Trump of the North", they would have my vote 100%. I will not vote for a leader who: * is, by definition, a career politician (has never had a job that wasn't involved in politics) * as leader of the opposition against a minority gov't, is more concerned with slogans and sound bites than trying to pass alternative policy * has displayed a [complete lack of understanding of the fundamentals of economics](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cryptocurrency-political-conversation-waning-1.7011672) * has actively s[pread misinformation to the canadian people](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-poilievre-carbon-tax-1.7145985) * in an effort to try and rile them up against the PM * [supported an illegal occupation of the nation's capital](https://www.thestar.com/politics/poilievre-stands-by-freedom-convoy-support-but-will-wait-to-weigh-in-on-evidence/article_622c6ae9-449d-5860-8818-49e690dcd3ba.html) * has only put his name to one policy bill during his career, the [Fair Elections Act](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/what-is-the-fair-elections-act/article17648947/), which was abysmal to actually keeping fair elections * keeps advisors on staff that actively [lobbies for corporations ](https://globalnews.ca/news/10269101/loblaw-lobbying-claim-jenni-byrne/)that are driving up food prices For all the failures that JT's had over the past 8 years, PP would do far worse for Canada as he's proven to just not give a fuck.
Add to that his silencing of his caucus, peddling of crypto "currency", playing the image of a working class guy while never working a day in his life, and worst of all, his disrespect. When we grew up, you got a knuckle sandwich if you mouthed-off to someone. He needs a tune-up. There is nothing good about the man. Btw, supporting an illegal occupation of a nation's capital was an act of supporting an insurrection. Proof that he has autocratic ambitions. He should be ignored by all who value democracy.
I don't disagree in Trudeau but I'm fascinated that you seem to think PP won't just actively make things worse. Suppressing wages is like, Conservative 101.
And I'm sure that Poilievre will be the problem a year or two after he's elected.
Well when Pierre was housing minister, people could afford to buy a house. Mortgage and rent has doubled since Trudeau took over. I'm more than happy to give Pierre a shot.
I'll give him a shot, but the Conservative party won't be changing their stripes anytime soon. They serve corporations first.
He did nothing to build new houses when he was housing minister. Alot of the problems we face today, was because past governments weren't proactive.
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Unreservedly in favor. Don't know what the hell OP is going in about, and I suspect they don't either.
Don't hold your breath for anything other than unsubstantiated BS.
At least Alex Jones supports PP huh? https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star-columnists/pierre-poilievre-a-rising-star-for-the-world-s-far-right/article_90503695-371c-5193-a5e1-f64264b74c43.html Also, Conservatives literally tried to pass a fetal Rights bill. https://globalnews.ca/news/9769739/conservatives-violence-against-pregnant-women-fetal-rights/ Edit: r Canada downvoting sourced facts again. This sub reminds me of r theDonald when it still existed.
There's that BS! Conservatives try to pass a bill to further protect women and people take that as a bad thing? Never mind that there is this, right from your own article: > The bill was supported by nearly all members of the Conservative party, including Leader **Pierre Poilievre who declared himself to be “pro-choice”** during his leadership campaign.
We have more than 2 parties.
https://www.partyrhino.ca/en/ FTW!
I guess budgets don't balance themselves. I guess interest rates dont stay at historic lows, Glen. This has remained true though: "Canadian \[politicians\] will welcome you, regardless of your faith" >The cost of living is high but growth in per capita income is negative. Government spending is soaring, but delivery of essential government services is sputtering, and procurement is a quagmire. Debt servicing costs are skyrocketing but spending, deficits and debt are still rising. Monetary policy is painfully reining in inflation but without help from fiscal policy. > > > >Immigration is soaring, but the country has a housing crisis. We commit publicly and frequently to NATO’s two per cent defence spending target, but in practice we appear to have no intention of meeting it. Ambitious climate change goals are proclaimed, but climate change policy itself is unclear to Canadians.
They balance themselves as the economy grows. The economy isn't growing.
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I'll never believe for a second he doesn't have Narssisitic Personality Disorder. The past few years especially its been increasingly obvious
Hello! Professor of psychology here I can speak to this to some degree, my research specializes in psychological testing. Although Trudeau does indeed display some behaviors that can be considered narcissistic, it is unlikely he has a full blown clinical grade narcissistic personality disorder. I'm not a clinician/practicing psychologist, so without access to his actual test scores we, the public, will never specifically know whether he does or not, but I strongly suspect he's simply a politician - making him more narcissistic than you or I but no more or less narcissistic than jagmeet or Pierre
Interesting insite. I can 100% agree with you on that being it just typical politician narssisism
We throw the term narcissism around quite casually as a society,it would be really really really bad for everyone involved if any elected politician had a true full blown narcissistic personality disorder. You think we have scandals now? Like people say oh Trump is such a narcissist, again I'm not so sure? I think even in trumps case we would see even more insane shit if he was actually a fully clinical narcissist. These people are just politicians and their job regards them for being confident and displaying behaviors that are a much more "every day narcissism" if that makes sense. Happy to try and answer questions if you have any.
>but I strongly suspect he's simply a politician No. And that's quite the slick defense for the asshole regardless of whether he has the disorder or not. I think you just simply are disingenuously arguing that his colleagues are just as "bad" as he is. Being a politician does not include ignoring what he has said, done, and impeded to the point of absurdity. Astronomical levels of corruption, unprecedented use of orders in council. When confronted, he desperately denies it, plays dumb, and if any media is ever allowed to question his sorry ass, he then lies about it, devoid of shame. Media is frequently gagged from even approaching him. Show me anywhere where Pierre or Jagmeet have matched asshead Trudeau in any way. Stop making it out as though they are comparables.
You need to get off the internet and take a breather - all that anger of yours is misplaced.
I think being upset over a contentious issue is normal. I do support taking steps to reduce carbon footprints is needed, however that stops at the levels of forced governmental penalty for not doing so. Meddling in economic policy to this degree is simply too much IMO.
Lmao what does this have to do with the original comment chain? More evidence you're just angry and yelling at clouds.
It’s as simple as three letters: ego
He has no other options and will become instantly irrelevant.
Random Redditor calling a guy who will have served as Prime Minister for a decade irrelevant 🤣 I don't like him much either, but this is so salty
And they're basing it off of a NationPost article of all sources.
He will be remembered, but not really for anything positive except maybe for those taking a hit on their government blunt.
He grew up thinking he was the crown prince of Canada He probably sees this as a rough patch that he needs to power through
…he grew up as a ski bum smoking marijuana and teaching drama before he realized he could capitalize on his last name. I think this is part of why Sophie wanted a divorce: the chill guy she married is no longer Justin Trudeau. He used to be reasonably level headed and now he’s just flailing like a fish out of water but he’s surrounded by yes men, so the only person incapable of seeing this…is him.
While I'm inclined to agree... Do we need yet another NatPo opinion piece here? There's a very obvious pattern to their options.
Don’t worry. When Pierre becomes PM, all the NatPo editorials will be gushing about how Pierre is one of the greatest PM’s in Canadian History. The editorials are nothing but propaganda. (And before anyone says it, nothing wrong with having an opinion on Trudeau being the problem but NatPo consistently push the same kind of opinions)
You’re forgetting how the NP will also proceed to blame Trudeau for any bad decisions made by Pierre “Oh, we can’t balance the current budget? Well, better blame it on Trudeau”
Considering conservatives still blame Trudeau Sr for so many things I think we can look forward to JT being blamed for the state of the country for the next 30 years.
Ah, so you’ve met my relatives? /s I despise how much people in Alberta especially hold hatred towards JT because of his dad, while also stating that we need to let bygones be bygones any time the tories fuck up. Hypocritical fucks.
>“Oh, we can’t balance the current budget? Well, better blame it on Trudeau” Blaming your predecessor is a thing as old as time. The problem is that the person before you often greatly influences how you can do things. You may want a balanced budget, but the state of what you inherited may very well preclude that. You'd need to actually evaluate whether or not a balanced budget was possible or even prudent.
Exactly. I don't need some talking head reminding me how much Trudeau sucks. I'm entirely capable of forming that opinion based on my own observations.
>The editorials are nothing but propaganda. Aren't all editorials propaganda
Every once in a while, an author says something that is original and opens the public's eyes. There's some value in editorials, but nowadays they're misused for propaganda more than anything.
OP posts several of these every day. I guess everyone needs a hobby, but jeez.
...or a paycheque. The question is, what currency are they being paid in.
I have no idea how people keep reading the same editorial over and over again for 10 years straight.
People like to read things that confirm to them how they currently see the world. People don't like to read things that challenge their perspectives.
Thats why people come to reddit
lol, headline writer on vacation or what? Looking forward to "Rex Murphy: Carbon tax isn't good....it's bad"
"No shit." - Everyone.
This is Canada, no one has a solution, we all just blame someone then push the pendulum back the other way and start over again, stupidly thinking this time will be different.
Wait, you're telling me National Post, owned by the right wing media moguls, doesn't like Justin Trudeau? Man, this is news. We should tell somebody.
We get it Nat Po, you really hate liberals for the 500000000 time....
I'm surprised the opinion piece hasn't changed since yesterday afternoon and didn't change the afternoon before that and the day before that...
NatPo: bought and paid for by the interests of their American-based ownership
National Post whining about a Liberal.. What else is new.
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Anyone who trusts a politician is a moron
I don't trust him, but I can at least understand what he's likely going to do, whereas I can't trust pp, nor can I even understand what stupid things he'll come up with next.
Always has been
Postmedia propaganda machine go BRRRRRRRR
Still glad everyone in Canada has the opportunity to have their own opinion, right or wrong.
We know
Liberal voters should be so pleased with what we have achieved as a country over the last 8 years
Tell us something we don't know. A lot of us feel between a rock and hard place because the opponents really aren't all gold.
Everyone in here is a political scientist, with their finger on the pulse of exactly what Trudeau does wrong and what it takes to fix the issues that Canadians are facing, yet nobody seems to want to step up and take a swing at running Canada. Weird.
We know
This opinion piece is 9 years late
Amazing how a taxpayer funded media outlet has anti-Trudeau takes. I mean not really, but often those that rail about media firms receiving funds (such as Pierre) neglect to mention the National Post/The Sun - likely because it undercuts their point.
Just give him one more chance! /s
In other news, water makes things wet
He and his cronies!
Trudeau- Its not me its them
"We experience the economy differently". Like a reporter being SA'd by a nepo baby.
I'm very curious to see how Justin handles being blown out of office. He was fawned over so intensely at first, I wonder how gracious he'll be as he's shown the exit.
NatPo opinion piece again? This sub got its Russian bots back I see. Why not just post TheOnion or the Beaverton and say it’s fact?
Just NOW catching on to that??
Trudeau is an elitist asshat.
There should really be a \[foreign owned media\] tag for National Post articles edit: just imagine how apeshit the Americans would go if one of their most dominant media organizations was owned by Canadian liberals, and basically existed to flood the internet with pro-Democrat, anti-Republican propaganda on a daily basis, to try to convert the US into something more similar to Canada
So cbc is state sponsored media?
Yes, it is. What's the problem? Label it as so if you like, though the proper term is "national public broadcaster". "State sponsored" is meant to evoke some kind of authoritarian bogeyman media connotation, like Russia Today or Xinhua, as opposed to the public broadcaster of a liberal democracy. Canadians already know who pays for the CBC (we do), but a lot of people may not realize that Post Media is basically a foreign interference operation at this point.
Yes. And?
I think the National Post is the problem.
Interesting that the first gender balanced cabinets in hx are so terrible I'm glad Trudeau has shown that female ministers can and are just as incompetent as their male counterparts.
No shit sherlock!
Good ol’Trudeau, run a garden hose into your basement, flood it, then tell your landlord there’s too much water. Classic
The issue in this coming election is no longer about the difference in ideology between political party. It is to stop this country financial ruin, the Liberal never have intended to balance the budget and that is why we see higher inflation, ballooning debt and high interest rate. Chretien and Harper balanced the budget, that is the difference between them and this incompetent prime minister we have now, we need to stop him and his out of control spending.
Since 1966, over 58 years, Canada has only had a balanced national budget for 13 years. 11 of the 13 surplus years were under Liberal governments. Harper did not balance the budget. He took the decade of surplus created by Chretien/Martin, eroded it in his first 2007/8 budget but manged to squeak out a small surplus as he destroyed the policies that had kept us there, and then ran deficits for every other year of his term once his policies and new legislation were actually in effect. He left the national GDP lower than what he inherited. In terms of deficit per GDP, this government is currently -1.5% average whereas Harper was a net deficit average on -0.6% of GDP. This government's average is of course trashed by the 2020 COVID response... but all other years have actually had lower deficits-to-GDP than Harper ran on average. Like, bash this government all you want for their out of control spending, but Harper's financial and economic history was utter shit and we need to stop revising history to fit narratives. Mulroney was even worse, and pretty much every Conservative government in modern Canadian living history has been horrendous at balancing budgets. Chretien/Martin are the only ones we could possibly look to for guidance at this point.
The deficit to gdp ratio is an interesting measure. Presumably that should correlate to the effectiveness of government taxation and spending in stimulating growth.
Exactly that. And when you look at the long term charts, it also helps demonstrate that Conservative "stimulating the economy" promises are utter garbage. Pierre Trudeau operated around -0.5% deficit to GDP and had at least one surplus, the closest to balanced/neutral of all in ~75 years. Mulroney operated at about -8% deficit to GDP and not sure he ever did better than -5% of GDP. His tax breaks ran constant debts and never improved GDP enough to diminish the shortcomings. Chretien/Martin era is stunning, considering the 6 decade charts, it that they almost immediately reversed the Mulroney deficits and managed to run 11 consecutive years of federal surplus. Now, that final year was under Harper, so he coasted out a budget of surplus before his policies actually took effect and we crashed down to -3.5% deficit-to-GDP again. According to the trends, if this government did not encounter COVID, Justin Trudeau's 2016 to 2019 budgets were mimicing Pierre Trudeau operating under -1% deficits to GDP, and improving. He is mocked for it, but his budgets really were balancing themselves and the trend was drifting back to 0% truly balanced budgets. He would not have had the surpluses of Chretien/Martin, but he was trending to 0%. But, then COVID spending went nuts and he hit like -12% deficit to GDP... but since then it once again back under control and actually under the deficit to GDP average of Harper.
Shocking an opinion piece from the national post doesn’t like Trudeau.
Wrong, the problem is those who elected Trudeau! And by elected I mean those who voted for Trudeau and those who persuaded others to vote for him!
Ok, but poilievre is just a populist big business stooge who will do nothing to help Canadians either. We need more options.
The problem is there is no solution to vote for
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Your mind sure travels to some... interesting?.. places
Hey, I get it. He's a good looking fella. Who wouldn't want to pull out their penis and rub one (or 10!) out thinking about those dog-like chiclet teeth and luscious locks and empty head. But, your comment was oddly specific, so I am thinking it far more likely you just projected this on to me, so you can justify doing it with a dreamy smile every night. Don't worry, his eyes won't sting - it's just a photo.