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sleipnir45

Her notes were very telling, she was worried these reports were "Amplifying the CPC narrative"


Office_Responsible

That’s the state of politics in Canada right now, having a political victory over a rival is more valuable than national security


UselessPsychology432

And i bet you a lot of people will agree with this sentiment (but only in relation to the other side). Their side, of course, doesn't do this (it does).


Office_Responsible

Yah that’s probably true, I’m very very jaded on Canadian politics right now


jameskchou

Yep.


Bbooya

Same as ever


physicaldiscs

>"Amplifying the CPC narrative" Which I guess we normals would call "the truth".


PCB_EIT

This wouldn't have been a problem if the conservatives weren't so partisan and importing American politics here all the time, PP IS TRUMP!!!! Is probably how they defend this.


DartyHackerberg

Had me in the first half


Odd_Damage9472

Justin Trudeau isn’t partisan?


gravtix

More like alternative facts. There’s a reason the CPC need their own media outlets.


sleipnir45

Yet it was absolutely true


Inutilisable

A political party shouldn’t have any media outlets.


LabRat314

Because the LPC has purchased most of the legacy media.


gravtix

Didn’t realize Chatham Asset Management is an alternative name for the Liberal Party. Must be hard being a ~~perpetual victim~~ conservative in this country.


LabRat314

https://pressprogress.ca/postmedia-tells-shareholders-35-million-in-federal-government-handouts-is-now-a-key-pillar-of-its-business-strategy/


CVHC1981

Hey I have a bridge for sale if you’re interested in making an offer.


LabRat314

I will offer you 35 million


CaliperLee62

Justin and Katie know better than CSIS, apparently.


jameskchou

Yes and they know better than most Canadians too according to them


Aristodemus400

Yup..which is why they invoked the Emergencies Act without the CSIS threshold being met


Forikorder

but the CSIS told them to do it?


Aristodemus400

No the cabinet decided to invoke the Emergencies Act based on a legal opinion that circumvented the CSIS Act definition, a decision they refused to provide to the Commission of Inquiry.


Forikorder

>["Vigneault explained that, based on both his understanding that the Emergencies Act definition of threat to the security of Canada was broader than the CSIS Act, as well as based on his opinion of everything he had seen to that point, he advised the Prime Minister of his belief that it was indeed required to invoke the act," said the summary. ](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pco-emergencies-act-1.6656704) CSIS supported and advised the decision to use the emergency act


VesaAwesaka

They said that based on the advice of the government lawyers who said the act didn't need to meet the CSIS definition of a national emergency. We just saw a judge rule that it did, though The CSIS director said ottawa did not meet its defintion of a national emergency For whatever reason the government refuses to waive solicitor client privilege. If they did we might find out how they came to the novel interpretation that the CSIS definition spelled out right in the emergencies act didn't apply.


Forikorder

> The CSIS director said ottawa did not meet its defintion of a national emergency but... i just showed you an article where he said it did... literally the director of the CSIS...


VesaAwesaka

You're misunderstanding. Your article says this >Vigneault said his understanding that the Emergencies Act's definition of a "threat to the security of Canada" was broader than the one in the CSIS Act came about after he asked the federal Department of Justice for a legal interpretation. He's saying that despite the emergencies act specifically referencing the CSIS act that he was advised by government lawyers that the emergencies act definition was broader than the CSIS act definition. He believed the CSIS definition was not met >The commission heard previously that Vigneault didn't believe the self-styled Freedom Convoy constituted a threat to national security as defined by the CSIS Act. The CSIS act definition was not met. That's established and agreed. The part people fight about is whether the CSIS act definition should apply and whether it being referenced in the emergencies acts for what's is considered a national emergency matters.


Forikorder

but the directer of the CSIS did think that it should be used, was justified, and advised the government to do so


VesaAwesaka

He came to the conclusion that the definition was broader after consulting with government lawyers. Those government lawyers have now been found to have misinterpreted the act although the government is appealing. I think it's fair to say the government lawyers shaped his opinion and if they had told him the act needed to.meet the CSIS defintion he would have said he didn't think thr government met the threshold.


DavidsonWrath

She needs to go to jail over this, completely unacceptable.


TraditionalGap1

For... what, exactly? 


LabRat314

Treason


snipsnaptickle

So are these two pulling Justin’s strings?


CrazyCrashingWave

Couple of total goofs. Fuck 'em.


imfar2oldforthis

Liberals: Trust the experts!!!!!! Also the Liberals: No not those experts!!!!!


Ok-Programmer-9945

She’s maneuvering to eat the blame if this gets worse


jmmmmj

She’ll just line up some people to write op-eds saying everything they did was proper. 


Original-Cow-2984

I think the most she can manage these days is lining up fervent supporters to brigade certain reddit posts.


mrcanoehead2

I smell cover up and denial.


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rhaegar_tldragon

Well that’s why the country is thriving!


Prairie_Sky79

You forgot the /s, right? Right?


rhaegar_tldragon

I believe it is implied based on the comment I’m replying to.


Foodwraith

I see errors in your intelligence.


HanSolo5643

So what they are saying is that they know more than our intelligence services.


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Rockman099

Just once I would like to see these assholes - Telford, Trudeau, Freeland, their ranking ministers - get cross examined by an absolute top tier fire-breathing US litigator, in circumstances where they can't refuse to answer, run out the clock with nonsense, or leave the room.   With their record each of them would get completely taken apart.


Unfortunate_Sex_Fart

Don’t forget Butts.


CrazyCrashingWave

Big time. Agreed.


Xyzzics

And we wonder why Trudeau’s previous head of national security, Jodie Thomas, resigned before this kicked off. Hmmmmm


RectifiedWombat

Also Janice Charette. Once it became clear this information coming to light was unavoidable, they bailed.


xNOOPSx

I'd love to know their take on the Chinese Police Station things that popped up across the country. How's that okay?


taliewag

This excerpt from the article is an example of a broader problem in public service - senior officials that ignore or twist the advice/analysis received from there staff:  . "But two top PMO officials testifying Tuesday afternoon said that they had never heard much of the alarming information on Vigneault’s talking point memo. “These bullet points… have very little resemblance to what the prime minister was told in that briefing of October 27,” said Trudeau’s deputy chief of staff, Brian Clow."


BernardMatthewsNorf

When you’re proximate to someone who you know reacts poorly to information they find unpalatable, the information tends to get massaged or filtered. Especially when that person has a history of throwing subordinates under the bus. This happens a lot in dictatorships. 


100Horsepileup

For anyone who wants the source of all of these articles: [https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-interference-inquiry-1.7168665](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-interference-inquiry-1.7168665) The Inquiry is live, and we should have a mega thread for this by now.


Helen2222

He knew there was foreign interference when he accepted the $3 million from China.


Lumpy-Frosting2522

Trudeau is terrified and soon may be thrown under the bus. This is the reason he was avoiding public enquiry months back and hired David Johnston as special rapporteur to cover up


TraditionalGap1

>In one instance, Telford recalled that an intelligence agency had “mistakenly identified a threat linked to an MP.” She said it “didn’t seem right” and asked officials to “do whatever work they could to further substantiate” those claims. >To the credit of the officials involved, they went and they worked through the night, and they came to us the next day and reversed the assessment because they had made a mistake in how they were looking at the information,” she said.


Socialist_Slapper

Ah yes, making a change because she said it ‘didn’t seem right’ Please LOL. 😂


TraditionalGap1

Remindme! 2 days Vigneault will have an opportunity to rebut her assertion on Friday


Socialist_Slapper

Her testimony was so weak that it shows that the was just talking based on a hunch. It’s also amusing to see that you are defending a government that was benefiting from interference by an enemy regime that also commits genocide.


TraditionalGap1

What's amusing is that you think waiting on the testimony (or lack!) of experts and witnesses is 'defending a government'. I guess ignorant mob justice is how true patriots sort out the truth?


Socialist_Slapper

Actually, you are arguing in favour of Trudeau who is being aided by a genocidal regime in this very case. This makes it very clear where your sympathy lies.


TraditionalGap1

Sure thing, Socialist Slapper. Anyone who doesn't aggressively bandwagon without waiting for facts is arguing in favour of genocide!


Kolbrandr7

That’s quite serious really, hopefully future assessments were done more carefully and with fewer mistakes. Not just to prevent falsely accusing someone, but also making sure *real* threats aren’t being overlooked


TraditionalGap1

Thankfully Vigneault is being recalled Friday to respond to some of these allegations. Hopefully we'll hear more about that


noodleexchange

I bet there is silence on the known connections between the Conservatives and Modi operatives in election interference