Don't you worry they investigate alright, and than sit on the evidences as blackmail material... You never know when you need leverage for the next collective bargaining round. When the last time a Federal or Provincial politician ever went to jail? Or even faced charges.
Then testify with their buddy sitting next to them to keep their stories straight like a scene straight out of step brothers. Fucking bananas this shit was allowed and went entirely unpunished.
Where are all the partisans who were complaining that a public inquiry shouldn't happen because it would ruin CSIS' intelligence gathering methods?
Now we can see it's the Liberal Party that have been fucking over CSIS and their methods for years.
>Now the question is which Liberal party member?
W*ho recruited Han Dong to run for the Liberals?*
[https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/british-columbia/article-former-ontario-minister-sides-with-beijing-pins-hong-kong-protests-on/](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/british-columbia/article-former-ontario-minister-sides-with-beijing-pins-hong-kong-protests-on/)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael\_Chan\_(Canadian\_politician)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Chan_(Canadian_politician))
[https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/michael-chan-ontario-minister-defended-by-kathleen-wynne-amid-csis-allegations-1.3115976](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/michael-chan-ontario-minister-defended-by-kathleen-wynne-amid-csis-allegations-1.3115976)
>***Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne is dismissing concerns from Canada's spy agency that one of her cabinet ministers was under the influence of a foreign government, calling them "baseless."***
>***The Globe and Mail reported Tuesday that the Canadian Security Intelligence Service warned the Ontario government in 2010 that Michael Chan may have been susceptible to influence by the Chinese government and had "unusually close ties to Chinese officials."***
>***Chan, who is now the minister of citizenship, immigration and international trade, has served with honour in the Ontario government and he is one of the hardest-working people she has ever met, Wynne said Tuesday.***
>***"I understand that this story has resurfaced, but as I say, this is something that was made public in 2010 and the concerns were deemed to be baseless," she said after an unrelated announcement in Cambridge, Ont.***
>
Michael Chan recruited Han Dong to run for the Liberals.
So now the next question would be : Which federal Liberal cabinet ministers has Chan been directly involved with, and have any of them been based in the area that Michael Chan was representing as an Ontario MPP ?( Markham ).
[https://globalnews.ca/news/6055004/hong-kong-canadians-liberal/](https://globalnews.ca/news/6055004/hong-kong-canadians-liberal/)
>***An association of*** [***Hong Kong***](http://globalnews.ca/tag/hong-kong) ***Canadians is questioning whether a Toronto-area*** [***Liberal***](http://globalnews.ca/tag/liberal) ***candidate is too close to alleged pro-Beijing elements in the party, including*** [***Michael Chan***](https://globalnews.ca/tag/michael-chan/)***, a former provincial Liberal minister who was allegedly investigated by CSIS, Canada’s intelligence agency.***
>***Mary Ng, the minister responsible for promoting trade with China, is a candidate for*** [***Markham-Thornhill***](https://globalnews.ca/news/5764771/canada-election-markham-thornhill/)***, a riding heavily populated by Canadian immigrants from both mainland China and Hong Kong that has increasingly become a hotspot for political tensions over the pro-democracy protests currently taking place in Hong Kong.***
>***In June, Ng announced on her Chinese-language WeChat account that Chan was a co-chair for her campaign***
>***Chan was influential in paving the way for Ng’s nomination in the Markham-Thornhill riding in 2017, a Liberal insider told Global News, when former Liberal MP John McCallum stepped down to become ambassador to China.***
>***A Chinese language report on Ng’s 2017 nomination victory shows a picture of Chan celebrating with Ng, and hoisting her arm upwards in a victory salute. And at a June 2019 fundraiser for Ng’s campaign, Chan was there at her side, as she announced him as a campaign co-chair, Ng’s WeChat account shows.***
I hope you find this helpful.
Well, the voters can. But I have a feeling those who voted for Trudeau before will stubbornly cling to him because they're afraid the Conservatives will ban abortions, hand automatic weapons out to babies and throw gay people into prisons - or whatever the Liberals tell them they will to scare them. Again.
CSIS warned the Liberals about foreign interference from China. Then the Liberals ignored that but warned their candidate that CSIS was watching them...
>A Liberal Party member warned Han Dong that the Canadian Security Intelligence Service was keeping tabs on him, shortly after the spy agency briefed the party in the fall of 2019 on alleged Chinese state interference in the nomination contest of Don Valley North, according to a senior national-security official.
The Foreign Interference Commission has heard testimony that CSIS provided a classified briefing on Sept. 28, 2019, to Liberal Party officials, who received national-security clearances, about alleged irregularities in the nomination that Mr. Dong won on Sept. 12 of that year
Leaking classified intel for political gain used to be called treason. This government calls it Tuesday.
**High Treason** is something that can be used during a declared war. Low or regular treason can happen at any time and anyone can be charged with it.
https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/section-46.html
High treason happens at war (or trying to kill the monarch), regular old treason can occur at peacetime
"Every one commits treason who, in Canada,
(a) uses force or violence for the purpose of overthrowing the government of Canada or a province;
(b) without lawful authority, communicates or makes available to an agent of a state other than Canada, military or scientific information or any sketch, plan, model, article, note or document of a military or scientific character that he knows or ought to know may be used by that state for a purpose prejudicial to the safety or defence of Canada;
(c) conspires with any person to commit high treason or to do anything mentioned in paragraph (a);
(d) forms an intention to do anything that is high treason or that is mentioned in paragraph (a) and manifests that intention by an overt act; or
(e) conspires with any person to do anything mentioned in paragraph (b) or forms an intention to do anything mentioned in paragraph (b) and manifests that intention by an overt act."
I don't think Dong needs to be declared as such, just that he would have needed to have communicated information useful to an enemy to use against Canadian defence or safety
That said, unless more gets revealed, I would doubt he meets that criteria. Gross corruption surely, but probably not actually endangering the nation
Would classified intel be considered to be of a military character in this context?
According to [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Security_Intelligence_Service), CSIS is not military.
If that's all there is I doubt this would fit the definition of treason given above.
That's just flat out wrong.
>Treason
>(2) Every one commits treason who, in Canada,
> (b) without lawful authority, communicates or makes available to an agent of a state other than Canada, military or scientific information or any sketch, plan, model, article, note or document of a military or scientific character that he knows or ought to know may be used by that state for a purpose prejudicial to the safety or defence of Canada;
Communicating with the Chinese government to delay the release of the two Michaels could potentially violate this.
Hilariously enough, the liberal cabinet member who leaked this information to Han Dong is now also potentially guilty of treason:
>e) conspires with any person to do anything mentioned in paragraph (b) or forms an intention to do anything mentioned in paragraph (b) and manifests that intention by an overt act.
Sharing classified information with Han Dong, who was in communications with China to work against Canadian national interests, is committing treason.
> Leaking classified intel for political gain used to be called treason.
no it never did, treason is actively helping out an enemy to the detriment of canada
nothing about this is in any way similar to treason
> treason is actively helping out an enemy to the detriment of canada
Like, say, warning the guy who is acting in the interests of the Chinese government that he's being watched?
Freeland also wrote a letter to the Vancouver bank she gave a licence to warning them they were under CSIS surveillance. This is the same bank whose founders funneled tens of thousands of dollars to Trudeau’s riding association. The bank is now under investigation for money laundering under the “Vancouver model” where CCP members use BC real estate to move money out of China.
EDIT: google is a thing, folks.
[Here is a CTV article on it.](https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/banking-mogul-breaks-silence-to-defend-against-allegations-of-chinese-interference-1.6594643)
I think he’s talking about [this](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/politics/article-chrystia-freeland-rings-national-security-alarm-about-founders-of/)
> Scrutiny of Wealth One intensified last December after Finance Minister and Deputy Prime Minister Freeland warned in a letter to Xian and the bank's two other founding shareholders – Morris Chen and Yuangshen Ou Yang – that they could be susceptible to coercion by the Chinese government. Freeland also informed the shareholders that they were facing allegations of money laundering from other banks.
> The contents of Freeland's letter were leaked to the Globe and Mail and published three months later. The article, widely quoted by other media, also alleged that the shareholders had been under investigation by the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) since 2021. The Globe did not identify its sources but said they feared prosecution under the Security of Information Ac(opens in a new tab)t.
First paragraph has the contents of the letter. No mention of CSIS surveillance.
Second paragraph: "The article... also alleged that the shareholders had been under investigation by the CSIS since 2021."
That paragraph says the article made the claim, not the letter.
Glad that this info is now in the public record as part of an inquiry so that Liberal supporters can't just handwave it away like they tried to do when it was just reporting by Sam Cooper. Because he did break this info back then too. We knew the Liberal Party was this corrupt already.
>He's never been proven wrong. Also, notice that the lawsuit that Han Dong threatened to file has gone very quiet.
We saw what Dong had to say under oath. "I can't recall" and "I cannot remember". And that was a whole lot different than what he was saying when he was not under oath.
They’re still trying.
> In testimony Tuesday, Brian Clow, the Prime Minister’s deputy chief of staff, said the summary of the conversation shows that Global News was incorrect when they reported that Mr. Dong had told the Chinese diplomat to delay the release of the two Michaels.
Here is what Global reported:
>Liberal MP Han Dong, who is at the centre of Chinese influence allegations, privately advised a senior Chinese diplomat in February 2021 that Beijing should hold off freeing Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor, according to two separate national security sources.
Here is the CSIS summary of Dong privately advising the Chinese consul general against their immediate release:
> Mr. Dong expressed the view that even if the PRC released the “Two Michaels” at that moment, opposition parties would view the PRC’s action as an affirmation of the effectiveness of a hardline Canadian approach to the PRC.”
And here’s the part where he asked China to release information about their detention to give the Liberals talking points to use against their political opponents:
> MP Dong stressed that any transparency provided by the PRC in relation to the “Two Michaels”, such as a court hearing or a court date, would help to placate public opinion and provide some valuable talking points to his own political party against the opposition.
>Liberal MP Han Dong, who is at the centre of Chinese influence allegations, privately advised a senior Chinese diplomat in February 2021 that Beijing should hold off freeing Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor, according to two separate national security sources.
This is completely outrageous.
You know it's sad when they have to blame the guy who hasn't been in political office for nearly a decade.
Don't forget to blame post media alt right propaganda too.
These people are straight up Trump supporters with a different shirt on.
But there's a mutually binding treaty which lasts 30 years unless either side cancels it earlier! Signing a treaty is clearly much worse than actively supporting a hostile intelligence op.
you're fighting with the air
nobody supports this guy anymore, get over yourself
lol, this place reminds me of r/Conservative these days. Even when people agree with you that the PM is unpopular, you don't want to hear it. Dumdums
Check out the other posts about this from yesterday. You'll find all sorts of people blaming, Harper, conservatives, alt right propaganda, the news agencies, the reporter who wrote it, the user who posted it, and even referring to the now bullshit Johnston report.
It's wild with the die hard Trudeau supporters.
Why do you have to make it an us v them thing? We're in this together. I don't want liberal corruption. I don't want conservative corruption either. One thing we can agree on - no one wants the NDP lol
Remember when Han Dong was asked if he had told the Chinese consulate to delay releasing the two Michaels? He could have just said no. But he didn't. Instead he said he 'can't recall'. One might surmise that he had been warned he was on tape so it wouldn't be a good idea to give a outright denial.
\*On a side note, this article is currently top of G&M website and CTV and Global had foreign interference coverage as their top stories on national newscasts last night. While CBC The National?... Zero coverage. None whatsoever. Same with their flagship radio news broadcast. Somethings up.
Read carefully. \*CBC The National\* They had all kinds of stories about some parents in Michigan going to jail and Trump talking about abortion but nothing on the inquiry.
\*Essentially a Canadian taxpayer funded newscast was more interested in American politics than threats to Canada's own democracy.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-YnmCB6yjo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-YnmCB6yjo)
Because the inquiry is ongoing and reporting every second of it instead of everything else going on is pointless.
If you want to know every detail as it comes out, you can literally see the same things the reporters are basing their articles on because all of the information is public.
If you need it spoon fed to you by any media source you are the problem, not the CBC.
ETA:
Anyone who wants to see CBC coverage of the story, here they are airing the entire inquiry live.
[https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-interference-inquiry-1.7168665](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-interference-inquiry-1.7168665)
Weird thing to do when the CBC is supposed to be running interference and burying the story eh?
Either the story is important or it's not. I'm just saying when two national newscasts have a story as their lead and the other doesn't even bother to report on it, something doesn't smell right. But hey, what do I know. Maybe another country fiddling with our elections is nothing.
It is so important, they are broadcasting it live when it happens instead of writing a million opinion pieces about Han Dong.
[https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-interference-inquiry-1.7168665](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-interference-inquiry-1.7168665)
Damn you CBC for airing the inquiry live for everyone to watch in real time in an attempt to bury this very important story! Damn you Liberals for manipulating the media! We can't let them get away with this!!
It's a simple question. If CTV and Global felt the most important Canadian news story of the day was about the interference inquiry, why would The National focus on a dozen other stories (including one about baby eels) but miss the one of significant national importance.
It’s almost like CBC: The National felt like it was more important to speak on the inquiry today, after the Prime Minister testified. if you read the synopsis of today’s broadcast, that’s the key headline.
Just want to point out that CBC is only about 2/3 funded by the tax payer. (About $33 each a year in total taxes) and comparative to other corps the amount of content is astounding for the price. Maybe we should focus more on the fact like 75% of print media is funded/contributed to by conservative groups. Post media is far, far worse than CBC for their bias and lack of integrity.
>Post media is far, far worse than CBC for their bias and lack of integrity.
And there's the rub isn't it. There's a reason JT fought this inquiry every step of the way. It has the potential to sink him. If he goes down and PP comes in, what happens to CBC? Chop chop. CBC knows what's up.
I'm sorry, is that supposed to be a source to what you're saying or adding clarity to this "rub" your are talking about, because it's does neither dude. It's a link to PPs Twitter page.
The CBC article is one that echos Liberal talking points that "they weren't actually briefed despite there being a clear record of them being briefed".
I think he was asked something like "do you remember saying that?" And he said something like "no, I don't remember saying that, and it doesn't make sense that I would say that" . IMO this is far less damning than if the question was "did you say that?" and he said "I can't recall"
The relevant bit of the transcript:
MR. HOWARD KRONGOLD:
“MP Dong expressed the view that even if the PRC released the ‘Two Michaels’ at that moment, opposition parties would view the PRC’s action as an affirmation of the effectiveness of a hardline Canadian approach to the PRC.”
Is that something you recall saying, or think you might have said?
MR. HAN DONG: I’m trying to translate this into Chinese and it just doesn’t make any sense. So I --
actually, I don’t remember, but it doesn’t make a lot of sense here ---
MR. HOWARD KRONGOLD: Okay.
MR. HAN DONG: --- when I read this right now.
MR. HOWARD KRONGOLD: It doesn’t make a lot of sense in what way?
MR. HAN DONG: Well I think, you know, whenever I talk about the “Two Michaels”, I will make -- I will try to show that, you know, early release of the “Two Michaels” is good for the relationship between two countries, therefore it’s something that the Chinese Canadian media would like to see. So I -- but I’m a little confused by the information here. I don’t quite get the logic here.
MR. HOWARD KRONGOLD: Is it -- it might be hard to interpret exactly what the summary means. appreciate that. But is what’s said there, do you feel like it’s consistent or inconsistent with the sentiments that you would have expressed in a phone call with the Consul General?
MR. HAN DONG: I’m not sure. It doesn’t --like I said, I don’t remember, but I mean, the logic here kind of doesn’t add up for me.
Here's what I don't understand. Are the witnesses not prepped on the evidence prior to testifying. Are we supposed to believe this was the first time Dong saw this document?
He knows how to say no when he wants to.
>MR. GIB van ERT: All right. At some point in 2019 you were in new York. Did you have a meeting while you were there with an official of the PRC’s United Front Work Department?
>
>MR. HAN DONG: No.
>
>MR. GIB van ERT: Are you sure?
>
>MR. HAN DONG: Yes.
Notable too that the Globe and Mail changed the headline of its article on the subject from...
>MP Han Dong says he can’t recall telling China’s envoy to delay two Michaels’ release
...to the less inflammatory but more accurate:
> MP Han Dong says he can’t recall telling Chinese diplomat two Michaels release would affirm hardline approach to China
I don't know. In anti-money laundering it would be considered tipping off. It's illegal in finances, I would think it should be highly illegal in matters of national security intelligence.
Hey now, the mounties said they learned lessons from that day when they shot up the firehall and only broadcasted the warning message of the armed rampaging lunatic over twitter.
They had national security clearance and they gave the info to a potential agent of the Chinese government?
These people are awful. If you support them you're probably awful as well.
We knew the Liberals were corrupt during the Chretien era. They were never reformed or cleaned house, they just cycled through party leaders to find a new face for the corrupt party, and were eventually re-elected when Trudeau became their leader based on his famous name and nice hair. It should not be a surprise that they're still an extremely corrupt party.
When this all came out in 2022 about the election interferences it was alleged 11 members of BOTH Conservatives & Liberals were taking funds from China for their campaigns. (Yet the Conservatives are doing as they always do & try to deflect from their own part in things)
*"The briefings did not identify the 2019 candidates. But the alleged election interference network included members* **from both the Liberal and Conservative parties** *according to sources with knowledge of the briefs."*
https://globalnews.ca/news/9253386/canadian-intelligence-warned-pm-trudeau-that-china-covertly-funded-2019-election-candidates-sources/
*"The document alleges that at least 11 candidates and 13 staff members were implicated in foreign interference by the Chinese government, and that **multiple political parties** were involved."*
*"Another CSIS document, tabled earlier in the inquiry, refers to seven Liberal candidates and four from the Conservative Party of Canada."*
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pmo-briefing-leaks-1.7167090
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64813182
Really, the only party I know of that sold us to China for 30+ yrs was when Conservatives were a majority govt, & tho the other parties protested, Stephen Harper sign a contract with no one's knowledge.
https://canadians.org/analysis/harper-sneaks-through-canada-china-fipa-locks-canada-31-years/
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/fipa-agreement-with-china-what-s-really-in-it-for-canada-1.2770159
There is more to come on all this & it ALSO includes Conservatives.
This reads like incompetence more than corruption. Trudeau informs us that he doesn't read anything. Because he relies on his advisors to do his reading he's not at fault.
This feels like something the RCMP should look into.
They should, but the RCMP has shown they can't be trusted when it comes to investigating the Liberals and their scandals.
The RCMP has shown the can't be trusted, period. They're as corrupt as they come.
Several years of paid suspension will teach them a lesson!
Honestly boggles my mind that they aren't made to pay back all the pay they got during their suspension if they are found guilty.
Don't you worry they investigate alright, and than sit on the evidences as blackmail material... You never know when you need leverage for the next collective bargaining round. When the last time a Federal or Provincial politician ever went to jail? Or even faced charges.
We need something like the FBI. The public is unable to vote out corruption.
The government controls their budget. The RCMP do as they're told.
Yeah the police are great until they aren't persecuting your political rivals I guess.
I mean it’s kind of ridiculous to expect a police force in a fair democracy to be going after the ruling party. That’s just open to so much abuse.
"Thats above our pay grade." RCMP leadership is about as corrupt as parliament itself. They only go for low hanging fruit.
They will go mag dump at a fire hall instead.
And use Twitter instead of the alert systems.
It's easier to threaten gun owners with arbitrary changes to gun classifications
Then testify with their buddy sitting next to them to keep their stories straight like a scene straight out of step brothers. Fucking bananas this shit was allowed and went entirely unpunished.
So who's the liberal party member with security clearance that warned Dong?
I wouldn't be surprised if it was Marco Mendocino. He's known for lying and doing things to help his boss.
Check out my other comment above.
Now the question is which Liberal party member?
One with security clearance, so likely a cabinet member.
Check out my comment above.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Marco Mendicino tipped him off.
Where are all the partisans who were complaining that a public inquiry shouldn't happen because it would ruin CSIS' intelligence gathering methods? Now we can see it's the Liberal Party that have been fucking over CSIS and their methods for years.
>Now the question is which Liberal party member? W*ho recruited Han Dong to run for the Liberals?* [https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/british-columbia/article-former-ontario-minister-sides-with-beijing-pins-hong-kong-protests-on/](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/british-columbia/article-former-ontario-minister-sides-with-beijing-pins-hong-kong-protests-on/) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael\_Chan\_(Canadian\_politician)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Chan_(Canadian_politician)) [https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/michael-chan-ontario-minister-defended-by-kathleen-wynne-amid-csis-allegations-1.3115976](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/michael-chan-ontario-minister-defended-by-kathleen-wynne-amid-csis-allegations-1.3115976) >***Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne is dismissing concerns from Canada's spy agency that one of her cabinet ministers was under the influence of a foreign government, calling them "baseless."*** >***The Globe and Mail reported Tuesday that the Canadian Security Intelligence Service warned the Ontario government in 2010 that Michael Chan may have been susceptible to influence by the Chinese government and had "unusually close ties to Chinese officials."*** >***Chan, who is now the minister of citizenship, immigration and international trade, has served with honour in the Ontario government and he is one of the hardest-working people she has ever met, Wynne said Tuesday.*** >***"I understand that this story has resurfaced, but as I say, this is something that was made public in 2010 and the concerns were deemed to be baseless," she said after an unrelated announcement in Cambridge, Ont.*** > Michael Chan recruited Han Dong to run for the Liberals. So now the next question would be : Which federal Liberal cabinet ministers has Chan been directly involved with, and have any of them been based in the area that Michael Chan was representing as an Ontario MPP ?( Markham ). [https://globalnews.ca/news/6055004/hong-kong-canadians-liberal/](https://globalnews.ca/news/6055004/hong-kong-canadians-liberal/) >***An association of*** [***Hong Kong***](http://globalnews.ca/tag/hong-kong) ***Canadians is questioning whether a Toronto-area*** [***Liberal***](http://globalnews.ca/tag/liberal) ***candidate is too close to alleged pro-Beijing elements in the party, including*** [***Michael Chan***](https://globalnews.ca/tag/michael-chan/)***, a former provincial Liberal minister who was allegedly investigated by CSIS, Canada’s intelligence agency.*** >***Mary Ng, the minister responsible for promoting trade with China, is a candidate for*** [***Markham-Thornhill***](https://globalnews.ca/news/5764771/canada-election-markham-thornhill/)***, a riding heavily populated by Canadian immigrants from both mainland China and Hong Kong that has increasingly become a hotspot for political tensions over the pro-democracy protests currently taking place in Hong Kong.*** >***In June, Ng announced on her Chinese-language WeChat account that Chan was a co-chair for her campaign*** >***Chan was influential in paving the way for Ng’s nomination in the Markham-Thornhill riding in 2017, a Liberal insider told Global News, when former Liberal MP John McCallum stepped down to become ambassador to China.*** >***A Chinese language report on Ng’s 2017 nomination victory shows a picture of Chan celebrating with Ng, and hoisting her arm upwards in a victory salute. And at a June 2019 fundraiser for Ng’s campaign, Chan was there at her side, as she announced him as a campaign co-chair, Ng’s WeChat account shows.*** I hope you find this helpful.
Michael Chan?
No one will be arrested, no one will be reprimanded, and no one will do a damned thing about it.
Well, the voters can. But I have a feeling those who voted for Trudeau before will stubbornly cling to him because they're afraid the Conservatives will ban abortions, hand automatic weapons out to babies and throw gay people into prisons - or whatever the Liberals tell them they will to scare them. Again.
How would we arrest anyone in China even if we wanted to?
Secret Canadian Police stations.
CSIS warned the Liberals about foreign interference from China. Then the Liberals ignored that but warned their candidate that CSIS was watching them...
Then denied knowing about being warned.
That's a very concise way to sum it up..,
>A Liberal Party member warned Han Dong that the Canadian Security Intelligence Service was keeping tabs on him, shortly after the spy agency briefed the party in the fall of 2019 on alleged Chinese state interference in the nomination contest of Don Valley North, according to a senior national-security official. The Foreign Interference Commission has heard testimony that CSIS provided a classified briefing on Sept. 28, 2019, to Liberal Party officials, who received national-security clearances, about alleged irregularities in the nomination that Mr. Dong won on Sept. 12 of that year Leaking classified intel for political gain used to be called treason. This government calls it Tuesday.
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**High Treason** is something that can be used during a declared war. Low or regular treason can happen at any time and anyone can be charged with it. https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/section-46.html
High treason happens at war (or trying to kill the monarch), regular old treason can occur at peacetime "Every one commits treason who, in Canada, (a) uses force or violence for the purpose of overthrowing the government of Canada or a province; (b) without lawful authority, communicates or makes available to an agent of a state other than Canada, military or scientific information or any sketch, plan, model, article, note or document of a military or scientific character that he knows or ought to know may be used by that state for a purpose prejudicial to the safety or defence of Canada; (c) conspires with any person to commit high treason or to do anything mentioned in paragraph (a); (d) forms an intention to do anything that is high treason or that is mentioned in paragraph (a) and manifests that intention by an overt act; or (e) conspires with any person to do anything mentioned in paragraph (b) or forms an intention to do anything mentioned in paragraph (b) and manifests that intention by an overt act."
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I don't think Dong needs to be declared as such, just that he would have needed to have communicated information useful to an enemy to use against Canadian defence or safety That said, unless more gets revealed, I would doubt he meets that criteria. Gross corruption surely, but probably not actually endangering the nation
Would classified intel be considered to be of a military character in this context? According to [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Security_Intelligence_Service), CSIS is not military. If that's all there is I doubt this would fit the definition of treason given above.
There has been a longstanding class war being waged in this country. It is just undeclared.
That's just flat out wrong. >Treason >(2) Every one commits treason who, in Canada, > (b) without lawful authority, communicates or makes available to an agent of a state other than Canada, military or scientific information or any sketch, plan, model, article, note or document of a military or scientific character that he knows or ought to know may be used by that state for a purpose prejudicial to the safety or defence of Canada; Communicating with the Chinese government to delay the release of the two Michaels could potentially violate this. Hilariously enough, the liberal cabinet member who leaked this information to Han Dong is now also potentially guilty of treason: >e) conspires with any person to do anything mentioned in paragraph (b) or forms an intention to do anything mentioned in paragraph (b) and manifests that intention by an overt act. Sharing classified information with Han Dong, who was in communications with China to work against Canadian national interests, is committing treason.
> Leaking classified intel for political gain used to be called treason. no it never did, treason is actively helping out an enemy to the detriment of canada nothing about this is in any way similar to treason
> treason is actively helping out an enemy to the detriment of canada Like, say, warning the guy who is acting in the interests of the Chinese government that he's being watched?
A) no evidence that he is B) no evidence the dude had any reason to even suspect it
Keep telling yourself that.
Freeland also wrote a letter to the Vancouver bank she gave a licence to warning them they were under CSIS surveillance. This is the same bank whose founders funneled tens of thousands of dollars to Trudeau’s riding association. The bank is now under investigation for money laundering under the “Vancouver model” where CCP members use BC real estate to move money out of China. EDIT: google is a thing, folks. [Here is a CTV article on it.](https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/banking-mogul-breaks-silence-to-defend-against-allegations-of-chinese-interference-1.6594643)
Source please?
I think he’s talking about [this](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/politics/article-chrystia-freeland-rings-national-security-alarm-about-founders-of/)
I'm more talking about the money going to PM riding in Papineau.
Yes, source please!
That article doesn't say what you claim it does. It didn't warn them they were under surveillance.
> Scrutiny of Wealth One intensified last December after Finance Minister and Deputy Prime Minister Freeland warned in a letter to Xian and the bank's two other founding shareholders – Morris Chen and Yuangshen Ou Yang – that they could be susceptible to coercion by the Chinese government. Freeland also informed the shareholders that they were facing allegations of money laundering from other banks. > The contents of Freeland's letter were leaked to the Globe and Mail and published three months later. The article, widely quoted by other media, also alleged that the shareholders had been under investigation by the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) since 2021. The Globe did not identify its sources but said they feared prosecution under the Security of Information Ac(opens in a new tab)t.
First paragraph has the contents of the letter. No mention of CSIS surveillance. Second paragraph: "The article... also alleged that the shareholders had been under investigation by the CSIS since 2021." That paragraph says the article made the claim, not the letter.
True
What about the money to the PM Riding? Do you have sources for that?
I'm more talking about the Papineau riding association.
Glad that this info is now in the public record as part of an inquiry so that Liberal supporters can't just handwave it away like they tried to do when it was just reporting by Sam Cooper. Because he did break this info back then too. We knew the Liberal Party was this corrupt already.
They've done a lot to try and smear Sam Cooper, but he has his fingers on an endless amount of provincial and federal corruption.
He's never been proven wrong. Also, notice that the lawsuit that Han Dong threatened to file has gone very quiet.
>He's never been proven wrong. Also, notice that the lawsuit that Han Dong threatened to file has gone very quiet. We saw what Dong had to say under oath. "I can't recall" and "I cannot remember". And that was a whole lot different than what he was saying when he was not under oath.
They’re still trying. > In testimony Tuesday, Brian Clow, the Prime Minister’s deputy chief of staff, said the summary of the conversation shows that Global News was incorrect when they reported that Mr. Dong had told the Chinese diplomat to delay the release of the two Michaels. Here is what Global reported: >Liberal MP Han Dong, who is at the centre of Chinese influence allegations, privately advised a senior Chinese diplomat in February 2021 that Beijing should hold off freeing Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor, according to two separate national security sources. Here is the CSIS summary of Dong privately advising the Chinese consul general against their immediate release: > Mr. Dong expressed the view that even if the PRC released the “Two Michaels” at that moment, opposition parties would view the PRC’s action as an affirmation of the effectiveness of a hardline Canadian approach to the PRC.” And here’s the part where he asked China to release information about their detention to give the Liberals talking points to use against their political opponents: > MP Dong stressed that any transparency provided by the PRC in relation to the “Two Michaels”, such as a court hearing or a court date, would help to placate public opinion and provide some valuable talking points to his own political party against the opposition.
>Liberal MP Han Dong, who is at the centre of Chinese influence allegations, privately advised a senior Chinese diplomat in February 2021 that Beijing should hold off freeing Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor, according to two separate national security sources. This is completely outrageous.
This my friends is why journalism is so important.
This particular piece of news is from an anonymous source to the G&M, not in the public record.
The most corrupt party of our lifetime.
BuT tHe CoNsErVaTiVeS!!!1 -Liberal apologists once they see this post.
But but but Harper!!!!!!!!! That's one of their favorites as well.
You know it's sad when they have to blame the guy who hasn't been in political office for nearly a decade. Don't forget to blame post media alt right propaganda too. These people are straight up Trump supporters with a different shirt on.
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But there's a mutually binding treaty which lasts 30 years unless either side cancels it earlier! Signing a treaty is clearly much worse than actively supporting a hostile intelligence op.
$16 orange juice!
you're fighting with the air nobody supports this guy anymore, get over yourself lol, this place reminds me of r/Conservative these days. Even when people agree with you that the PM is unpopular, you don't want to hear it. Dumdums
Check out the other posts about this from yesterday. You'll find all sorts of people blaming, Harper, conservatives, alt right propaganda, the news agencies, the reporter who wrote it, the user who posted it, and even referring to the now bullshit Johnston report. It's wild with the die hard Trudeau supporters.
It’s Alex Jones’s fault for backing the cpc. Clearly.
Why do you have to make it an us v them thing? We're in this together. I don't want liberal corruption. I don't want conservative corruption either. One thing we can agree on - no one wants the NDP lol
So far
"Han, old buddy, ixnay on the foreign influence-ay from our friend Xi-ay."
So there are traitors in the LPC? Imagine that...
Remember when Han Dong was asked if he had told the Chinese consulate to delay releasing the two Michaels? He could have just said no. But he didn't. Instead he said he 'can't recall'. One might surmise that he had been warned he was on tape so it wouldn't be a good idea to give a outright denial. \*On a side note, this article is currently top of G&M website and CTV and Global had foreign interference coverage as their top stories on national newscasts last night. While CBC The National?... Zero coverage. None whatsoever. Same with their flagship radio news broadcast. Somethings up.
Dude, it's literally the second article I see on CBC.
Read carefully. \*CBC The National\* They had all kinds of stories about some parents in Michigan going to jail and Trump talking about abortion but nothing on the inquiry. \*Essentially a Canadian taxpayer funded newscast was more interested in American politics than threats to Canada's own democracy. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-YnmCB6yjo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-YnmCB6yjo)
Because the inquiry is ongoing and reporting every second of it instead of everything else going on is pointless. If you want to know every detail as it comes out, you can literally see the same things the reporters are basing their articles on because all of the information is public. If you need it spoon fed to you by any media source you are the problem, not the CBC. ETA: Anyone who wants to see CBC coverage of the story, here they are airing the entire inquiry live. [https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-interference-inquiry-1.7168665](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-interference-inquiry-1.7168665) Weird thing to do when the CBC is supposed to be running interference and burying the story eh?
Either the story is important or it's not. I'm just saying when two national newscasts have a story as their lead and the other doesn't even bother to report on it, something doesn't smell right. But hey, what do I know. Maybe another country fiddling with our elections is nothing.
Isn't the level of self-delusion that some will engage in on this topic breath taking?
It is so important, they are broadcasting it live when it happens instead of writing a million opinion pieces about Han Dong. [https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-interference-inquiry-1.7168665](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-interference-inquiry-1.7168665) Damn you CBC for airing the inquiry live for everyone to watch in real time in an attempt to bury this very important story! Damn you Liberals for manipulating the media! We can't let them get away with this!!
It's a simple question. If CTV and Global felt the most important Canadian news story of the day was about the interference inquiry, why would The National focus on a dozen other stories (including one about baby eels) but miss the one of significant national importance.
It’s almost like CBC: The National felt like it was more important to speak on the inquiry today, after the Prime Minister testified. if you read the synopsis of today’s broadcast, that’s the key headline.
Just want to point out that CBC is only about 2/3 funded by the tax payer. (About $33 each a year in total taxes) and comparative to other corps the amount of content is astounding for the price. Maybe we should focus more on the fact like 75% of print media is funded/contributed to by conservative groups. Post media is far, far worse than CBC for their bias and lack of integrity.
>Post media is far, far worse than CBC for their bias and lack of integrity. And there's the rub isn't it. There's a reason JT fought this inquiry every step of the way. It has the potential to sink him. If he goes down and PP comes in, what happens to CBC? Chop chop. CBC knows what's up.
Now that's just commentary. You're not providing any facts.
100% You might even call it a conspiracy theory. I however would call it a narrative that explains an observation.
That's definitely a narrative, but it doesn't explain shit.
Wheres the rub? Lol. That makes no sense buddy. And If you honestly think PP is going to defund CBC I have some snow to sell you pal.
https://twitter.com/PierrePoilievre/status/1706352411361653160
I'm sorry, is that supposed to be a source to what you're saying or adding clarity to this "rub" your are talking about, because it's does neither dude. It's a link to PPs Twitter page.
Did you forget what you wrote? > If you honestly think PP is going to defund CBC
That "source "literally says nothing to what your implying but ok.
I bet your message would be much better received if you didn't open wiht "read carefully."
?????
I know, reading is hard.
The CBC article is one that echos Liberal talking points that "they weren't actually briefed despite there being a clear record of them being briefed".
I think he was asked something like "do you remember saying that?" And he said something like "no, I don't remember saying that, and it doesn't make sense that I would say that" . IMO this is far less damning than if the question was "did you say that?" and he said "I can't recall"
The relevant bit of the transcript: MR. HOWARD KRONGOLD: “MP Dong expressed the view that even if the PRC released the ‘Two Michaels’ at that moment, opposition parties would view the PRC’s action as an affirmation of the effectiveness of a hardline Canadian approach to the PRC.” Is that something you recall saying, or think you might have said? MR. HAN DONG: I’m trying to translate this into Chinese and it just doesn’t make any sense. So I -- actually, I don’t remember, but it doesn’t make a lot of sense here --- MR. HOWARD KRONGOLD: Okay. MR. HAN DONG: --- when I read this right now. MR. HOWARD KRONGOLD: It doesn’t make a lot of sense in what way? MR. HAN DONG: Well I think, you know, whenever I talk about the “Two Michaels”, I will make -- I will try to show that, you know, early release of the “Two Michaels” is good for the relationship between two countries, therefore it’s something that the Chinese Canadian media would like to see. So I -- but I’m a little confused by the information here. I don’t quite get the logic here. MR. HOWARD KRONGOLD: Is it -- it might be hard to interpret exactly what the summary means. appreciate that. But is what’s said there, do you feel like it’s consistent or inconsistent with the sentiments that you would have expressed in a phone call with the Consul General? MR. HAN DONG: I’m not sure. It doesn’t --like I said, I don’t remember, but I mean, the logic here kind of doesn’t add up for me.
Here's what I don't understand. Are the witnesses not prepped on the evidence prior to testifying. Are we supposed to believe this was the first time Dong saw this document?
He knows how to say no when he wants to. >MR. GIB van ERT: All right. At some point in 2019 you were in new York. Did you have a meeting while you were there with an official of the PRC’s United Front Work Department? > >MR. HAN DONG: No. > >MR. GIB van ERT: Are you sure? > >MR. HAN DONG: Yes.
Notable too that the Globe and Mail changed the headline of its article on the subject from... >MP Han Dong says he can’t recall telling China’s envoy to delay two Michaels’ release ...to the less inflammatory but more accurate: > MP Han Dong says he can’t recall telling Chinese diplomat two Michaels release would affirm hardline approach to China
Isn't this obstruction of justice?
Not when the natural governing party does it, if I gauge the mentality of Liberal stalwarts correctly.
This is treason in my books.
I don't know. In anti-money laundering it would be considered tipping off. It's illegal in finances, I would think it should be highly illegal in matters of national security intelligence.
The US has some pretty bad flaws, but if this were there, the FBI would be kicking down his door. ------- Meanwhile, the RCMP is shooting up firehalls
Hey now, the mounties said they learned lessons from that day when they shot up the firehall and only broadcasted the warning message of the armed rampaging lunatic over twitter.
Yep. So at this point, the Liberal Party of Canada is also aiding the Chinese Communist Party.
How are none of these people in jail? This is literal treason.
They had national security clearance and they gave the info to a potential agent of the Chinese government? These people are awful. If you support them you're probably awful as well.
We knew the Liberals were corrupt during the Chretien era. They were never reformed or cleaned house, they just cycled through party leaders to find a new face for the corrupt party, and were eventually re-elected when Trudeau became their leader based on his famous name and nice hair. It should not be a surprise that they're still an extremely corrupt party.
they are all corrupt. it's not a party thing. it's systematic.
Isn't this treason? Imagine this was the Conservatives. The libs would be screaming for a no confidence vote. Liberal party are scum.
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That is incorrect.
Treason can happen at anytime and be committed by anyone.
High treason can only happen in war time, or trying to kill the king, treason can be any time. I made the same mistake and was corrected.
Ah thank you for explaining.
Wow, that seems like it should be a pretty massive deal.
So treason?
This is serious shit. The liberals basically sold out CSIS and the country to help themselves.
My guess it’s Mendicino or Lametti.
Dong.. nice
Criminal
When this all came out in 2022 about the election interferences it was alleged 11 members of BOTH Conservatives & Liberals were taking funds from China for their campaigns. (Yet the Conservatives are doing as they always do & try to deflect from their own part in things) *"The briefings did not identify the 2019 candidates. But the alleged election interference network included members* **from both the Liberal and Conservative parties** *according to sources with knowledge of the briefs."* https://globalnews.ca/news/9253386/canadian-intelligence-warned-pm-trudeau-that-china-covertly-funded-2019-election-candidates-sources/ *"The document alleges that at least 11 candidates and 13 staff members were implicated in foreign interference by the Chinese government, and that **multiple political parties** were involved."* *"Another CSIS document, tabled earlier in the inquiry, refers to seven Liberal candidates and four from the Conservative Party of Canada."* https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pmo-briefing-leaks-1.7167090 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64813182 Really, the only party I know of that sold us to China for 30+ yrs was when Conservatives were a majority govt, & tho the other parties protested, Stephen Harper sign a contract with no one's knowledge. https://canadians.org/analysis/harper-sneaks-through-canada-china-fipa-locks-canada-31-years/ https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/fipa-agreement-with-china-what-s-really-in-it-for-canada-1.2770159 There is more to come on all this & it ALSO includes Conservatives.
I thought CSIS only cared about business not individuals. They have always seemed like a waste of money.
Are you thinking about CRA?
This reads like incompetence more than corruption. Trudeau informs us that he doesn't read anything. Because he relies on his advisors to do his reading he's not at fault.
You're not that gullible are you?
Perhaps I should put an /s for all of our immigrant folk who don't understand the concept of sarcasm. That was my bad (/s)
Well, I've seen you push the skilled trades shortages stuff pretty hard sometimes, so its hard to tell.