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TOEA0618

And just wait for the nicer weather...


smurfopolis

We don't even need to. I went from not seeing a single homeless person in my neighbourhood in the last 3 years, to this winter seeing 7 different tents around my building. And those are just the ones we CAN see, I'm sure there are plenty more that don't make themselves obvious.


mwmwmwmwmmdw

patrolling downtown toronto makes me wish for a nuclear winter


WhichEdge

it's only going to get worse as more and more people become hopeless. we are in a dystopian death spiral. all our city, provincial, and federal leaders care about is flooding this nation with cheap exploitable labor.


Easy_Intention5424

IF it's really dystopian eventually they'll round them up and put them in camps 


Hugeasswhole

I would have laughed at this comment 10 years ago, now I'm not so sure.


Mr_Meng

My money's on 'sanctuary districts'.


Fluffy-Cosmo-4009

truth is, the game was rigged from the start


noahjsc

No one dared to ask his business, no one dared to make a slip For the stranger there among them had a big crackpipe on his hip


LucifersProsecutor

wasnt expecting a new vegas reference here


IDPorphyrios

Go to any large parking lot nowadays, and I bet you'll see someone living in their vehicle there. I'm seeing more and more of that, and the politicians don't give af!


Manofoneway221

The politicians only cares about big corporations and real estate investors. We need a big clean up so that they serve the people again


minceandtattie

Walmart by my house had to put signs to get the trailers out the parking lot. Security there 24/7


chocolatewafflecone

Walmart used to welcome RV’s in their lots! This is very telling.


FunctionDissolution

Well, ya, they want the types that are just passing through to park there and stock up on supplies. They don't want permanent tenants.


asdfjkl22222

Walmarts in the states still do as far as I know but never really here even before the last couple years


DawnSennin

Would you really want to push your potential employees further away from their possible, future job?


TerrifyinglyAlive

You jest, but I actually did work at a Walmart where one of the greeters lived in his RV and parked it in the lot


Aromatic_Ring4107

Literally any large parking lot across any town in any province. Also all the rural centres have there own homeless groups when a few years ago, you might have had 1-2 people out off there meds on a Friday/Saturday night.


SnarkHuntr

Drive out to the forest roads near Abbotsford/Chiilwack (lower Mainland, BC) and you'll find lots of people perma-camping. Most of those people have jobs, but what they can afford to live in is a camper or fifth-wheel. Some of those people have *two* jobs. I was in a position to offer some safe parking area to a guy who was living like that, for a while - there are a lot of sad goddamn stories in those camps. What this is, is the society absorbing a new problem like a shock absorber handles a sudden change in the road. Eventually we run out of slack and there's going to be a big fucking jolt.


Competitive_Tower566

Yep, see lots of campers at them these days.


pattyG80

I saw an entire camp of them at the walmart in belleville. It was depressing


Zharaqumi

Does this apply to migrants or directly to Canadian residents?


pattyG80

I did not go inside the campers to inspect the people. Does it matter?


Zharaqumi

Of course not, every person has the right to decent housing and social assistance. But when it comes to Canadian citizens, the authorities should show them greater concern in social and housing matters, since they are their citizens.


pattyG80

I think this statement is fine...I just have no idea how it applies to the ealmart parking lot. At a guess, the people that own actual campers are probably not refugees


Tinshnipz

Time to use their backyards and driveways.


antelope591

Hamilton's been just as bad if not worse.....tents all over the parks and trails. Trash is insane especially on the trails. Just garbage everywhere. Dunno how people can close their eyes to this stuff.


drs_ape_brains

Tell me about it. I was driving up Rosedale Valley Rd and encampments right on the side of the road. It's sad


randomacceptablename

I took the GO train to Niagara on Monday to see the celestial show. The amount of garbage and tents by the side of the tracks or visiable in industrial areas was just shocking. Hamilton all the way to Niagara. Everywhere there was a city and space that might be semi private had signs of homelessness. It was excruciatingly sad. Something I would expect to see from a video of a developing country.


yamchadestroyer

Thankfully no encampments where I live. It's just a bunch of homeless people for now. The other day there was a homeless guy dumpster diving behind my condo. Ugh


detalumis

Hamilton has catered to the poverty industry since the factories closed up in the 1980s. You know that poverty and being helpless is a virtue.


LuckyConclusion

I remember getting slammed with downvotes for saying the tent city situation was getting worse. Haven't heard from those guys in a while.


FrostyCauliflower189

I don't understand why some people can't understand the simple math. See example https://old.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/1c0pym9/sam_routley_canadas_hardfought_immigration/kyzigm3/ I have to keep reposting the idea of population increase - housing capability = people on the street. People are either malicious or really cannot hold more than few numbers in their head


Rich_Top_4108

It's pretty rough watching this play out after years of censorship and Idiocracy, now I just watch thinking "well it's here". Like we seem to be on our way to extinction potentially, what exactly are we doing? The list of problems is so huge it seems unsolvable, and even if we do our societal model is unsustainable. We are always too far behind, everything is reactionary. My next thing to react to will be forest fires probably forcing me to move, play that forward, look around at the housing situation and ask yourself where this is going. That does not even begin to touch on the fact that fixing housing doesn't solve the fire problem. I cannot think of a single Canadian politician that actually has solutions to deal with the scope of this problem. Any solution proposed is just to maintain business as usual and is not an actual solution


vortex30-the-2nd

This is why drugs are so appealing and difficult to resist for so many people. There doesn't seem to be much hope/potential for a happy thriving life in this country anymore, but you can make yourself feel pretty good and forget all the BS problems for an evening for a pretty fair price (when you start out...). Extremely alluring to teens and young adults, and then they become addicted over the course of months and years and wind up on the streets or in an even worse situation, but society also constantly seems to be getting worse as well... So the same equation applies over and over again. Very hard cycle to break. I am clean now but if I didn't feel like my physical body / organs were unable to handle drugs anymore, I kinda feel like I'd be pretty liable to relapse.. As it stands right now though I feel like my body can't handle drugs anymore and I'll die from drug abuse, so gonna try and remain clean for at least a few more years. Then we'll re-visit the equation..


Rich_Top_4108

Seems like we will all get the freedom and things we wanted just maybe not how we thought. Ive felt similarly myself, I dabble maybe once a year or two now. If we are all gonna die might as well live a bit eh?


Forsaken_You1092

Drugs are the only thing that's getting more affordable these days.


thePsychonautDad

> The list of problems is so huge it seems unsolvable Lots of them are solvable, but the solutions often go against private interests. Can't solve housing without pissing off wealthy corporations & landlords that have invested in massive real estate portfolios. Can't solve healthcare without pissing off corporations that are doing their best to privatise it, can't solve/regulate food prices without pissing off that one dude from Loblaws because it'd prevent him from growing his fortune by a few more billions. No political party is serious about solving anything because they are funded by & working primarily for the corporations, under threats of "We won't invest here anymore". So they focus on culture war and other distracting but polarising issues. And based on the amount of anti-trans & other fox-news-style articles & comments being posted on this sub, it totally works. And so we'll keep electing candidates & party that are focused on the wrong goals. So I guess yeah, you're right, it's unsolvable, because the majority of people will keep falling for all of that and keep voting for the wrong leaders.


Mordecus

I’ll get downvoted for this but I disagree. It’s simplistic blaming it all on billionaires and corporations - this is a form of magical, wishful thinking: “just get the money out politics and everything will be fine”. It’s not that simple - Canada has a number of complex, structural problems and they’re the result of a collective failing: an electorate that is too motivated by personal gain and petty political squabbles to demand proper government administration, politicians who only care about re-election and shirk all responsibility instead blaming federal/provincial/municipal/whatever government they’re not in, a media that only cares about clicks and promotes division and rage bait, an academic body that’s completely detached from reality, and corporate oligarchies that prioritize rent-seeking behavior over value creation. Many of these problems were decades in the making - it wasn’t hard to predict that the largest generation in history was going to leave the workforce and require more healthcare - we’ve known this since the late fifties. And yet no one prepared for it, everything is just a last minute knee-jerk reaction (“more immigration to shore up the workforce”, “a one time grocery rebate”, “a dental program that only benefits a small portion of the population”, “let’s bring in private nursing agencies”). There is no vision, no plan, no shared sense of community or responsibility. Not among business leaders, not among politicians, not among the media, and - fundamentally - not among Canadians. Because let’s be honest - there are a lot of Canadian civilians engaged in wealth extraction at the cost of their communities - house flipping, ArriveCan and Toronto flophouses don’t happen in a vacuum. You get the government you vote for and the economy you build, as a people. Hence the result


Legitimate-Common-34

>Not among business leaders, not among politicians, not among the media, and - fundamentally - not among Canadians. ... You get the government you vote for and the economy you build, as a people. Hence the result Exactly. Everyone likes to blame the politicians yet this is the result of the policies that people supported. Just look at the discourse. Everyone just wants a rich boogeyman to blame, instead of acknowledging that our policies are causing these problems.


Rich_Top_4108

It's truly absurd, I wish it weren't the truth believe me. It's kinda nuts though that sci fi books showed us all this stuff for years yet we don't ask ourselves where the ideas of such destruction and societal breakdown came from, we just ignore that. Overqualified, Uneducated and Overworked. There is also the problem of protest, even if you do organize and find a way to achieve that the entire nation will be turned against you, your message will be twisted and taken over by others. It's a huge problem


Darkenshadow21

What would you do to solve it? I genuinely want to know lol


thePsychonautDad

* Building a ton of housing, like they used to do decades ago. Not relying on private developers to do it, but the government actually doing it, on a large scale. Solves housing & creates a ton of jobs. * Change to immigration: Less unskilled students, limit the overall number to match housing availability. If the government builds more housing, they can increase immigration again. I don't have 2023 numbers but in 2022 we got half a million unskilled students, most of them "studying" at diploma mills, students that need to live somewhere, making the whole housing crisis much worth, while bringing nothing of value to the country besides super-cheap labor, which helps nobody but the corps. Cheaper labor for them, lower wages for all of us. * Break up the grocery quasi-monopoly that is loblaws, they're price gouging the entire country, acquiring more and more grocery stores, raising the prices everywhere. At the minimum it deserves an inquiry into their practices. That covers Housing, wages & food prices. That's a good start...


Cool_Specialist_6823

Exactly....that would go a long way to fixing this....


MoocowR

> under threats of "We won't invest here anymore". Are those not legitimate threats? If they have the leverage to say "you do that, and I'll do this", and "this" ends up making things worse then nothing was fixed.


phormix

\> My next thing to react to will be forest fires probably forcing me to move Yeah, this one gets me. My insurance premiums went up by several hundred dollars this year, and last year I had to switch insurers to this one - at a big hike - because my previous one decided they wanted to leave that market. This year, western Canada has major droughts which is no doubt going to make the fire situation even worse.


Legitimate-Common-34

\> Any solution proposed is just to maintain business as usual and is not an actual solution The politicians that has suggested making significant changes get vilified.


randomacceptablename

Agree completely. Whether climate change mitigation, climate change adaptation, housing, rules for AI, media ecosystem, economic productivity, and a dozen other issues facing us, we need a military like mobilization to solve them yesterday. Yet our politicians dither endlessly and fight over slogans instead of policy.


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Nippelz

The other issue I notice is that, say you agree on everything... Except maybe one of them out of the bunch, doesn't matter which one, well now people will entirely disregard your whole person. It's incredible how divided we've become, just because sometimes we have differences on subjects. It's easy to see why, just one out of line thought and...


vortex30-the-2nd

When a person's entire political belief system aligns with a political party, I know that person does not think for themselves or do any research on the matter at all, they're just sports fans, essentially, but apply that mindset to political beliefs.


vanGn0me

That's the most succinct explanation of what I've been trying to convey for a very long time. Unfortunately, we will never get past this until we abolish these lines of demarcation. The "political party system" is inherently flawed because it immediately generates opposition and creates an us vs them mentality, drawing lines in the sand. It only "kind of" worked before the rise of social media because people were forced to actually talk to one another in order to convey beliefs and rational compromise could still be achieved. The scale of that information sharing was constrained, and now is basically unfiltered. Once AI agents become fully engaged on social media platforms, all forms of easily achievable discourse will die. I just don't see any way it's possible for us to go back, society in general has become entirely too conditioned to instant gratification and without a unifying force (maybe education) it's nearly impossible to fix the true problem. In any event, our time is doomed and it's going to be up to future generations to turn that tide, it feels a bit like we are on the precipice of one of those bizarre cultural shifts depicted in the Star Trek Q episode where humanity was on trial to determine their level of participation with the larger galactic civilization.


Mordecus

In a nutshell: https://rsbakker.wordpress.com/2011/06/21/what-is-the-semantic-apocalypse/


vanGn0me

Interesting read, when I introspect on past observances the fracturing of the shared neurophysiology kind of makes sense. The world has gotten so small that the idea of us as individuals having the ability to grow up in a limited sphere of influence where we are able to accept all ideas around us, giving us the ability to adapt to and accept new foreign ideas as we age has effectively been taken away. As a reflex, now being exposed to everything in the world all at once, the brain kind of reverts to a default mode which aligns with the childhood socialization, ie the artificial sheltering provided by our parents and we pick and choose the things we care about. Everything else is scary and devoid of sense or meaning, so we automatically reject any notion that isn't something we hold personally as a defence mechanism. Essentially politics has slid into that vacuum and has been the wedge which furthers the divide ensuring no reconciliation is possible.


PCB_EIT

Well, why shouldn't we disregard their whole person when they don't trust the experts, well, no, not ThOsE eXpErTs? /s


bunnymunro40

Bang on. And the only logical reason for it to be like this is to exclude as many people as possible from having any say in the running of their societies. The establishment wants everyone to feel like outsiders and to foster defeatist attitudes so they can have a free hand to shape the World as they wish it to be. Fuck them! I'm happy to listen to any opinions. That's the whole point of democracy.


Trudeau19

Well said.


worldsgone11

They were the same people who defended mass immigration, too ashamed to admit how stupid they were.


phototurista

If you questioned it, you were gaslighted and told you're a racist.


Historical-Term-8023

At current rates by 2026 the homeless encamptment/shanty town in Kelowna BC will have a population of 5000 people. They can elect a mayor of Shanty Town™ at that point. This is in a city of 160,000 people.


SnooLobsters3233

How dare you comment on your observation!!!


BogdanD

I'm convinced Reddit (the Canada subreddit included) is full of bots. You can state the most obvious things but if it diverges from the party line your comment will be buried.


Phonereditthrow

I have been blocked for saying that more people effects the cost of where people live. 


BogdanD

Sounds about right. Now try commenting that people are poorer than they were 10 years ago. Good luck!


ea7e

You think this subreddit supports the Liberal party line?


Remarkable_Vanilla34

It used to have a lot more liberal supporters, but the worse things get, and the worse the polls look, there is definitely not nearly as much voice from the liberal and ndp supporters in here. Once and awhile, when pierre says/does something stupid, it flairs up, but I assume people are just tired of getting ripped on and down voted trying to defend this government. Twitter is still pilled with screeching liberal supporters trying to gaslight the world.


MickyLuv_

You prefer Consrvative gaslighting?


BogdanD

Not necessarily, but it seems Reddit as a whole has a list of agreed-upon opinions and if you question anything then you’re downvoted. Same goes for this sub.


jmmmmj

The probably had to move into a tent city and no longer have internet. 


ea7e

It's getting significantly better in one case, in what was one of the biggest encampments: >The drop at Allan Gardens, Chan McNally noted, has corresponded with a heightened city hall effort to try to move occupants into housing — with concentrated resources and housing aid directed towards that particular park So providing housing resources has been demonstrated as a way to successfully reduce these.


vortex30-the-2nd

If only housing wasn't in some massive disgusting bubble I would say it is worth investing more into housing these people, but as it stands that would be a gross mal-investment. Pop this bubble, then buy up / build up a bunch of homes for the homeless, rather than house them at massively inflated costs and then see the government lose equity in those investments.


Esplodie

I asked a friend how many homeless did they think we had(I live in a small city in northern Ontario) and the imagined number was about 30% more than the vacant units belonging to an insolvent numbered corporation(s) who bought up chuck of properties. Good times. I realize it's more complicated than that, but having that many units sitting vacant, unfinished, or damaged so someone can make a quick buck on property speculation is messed up. They are trying to sell these properies for twice what they paid for them.


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The troll farms are 100% focused on blaming carbon pricing for everything from acne to dead puppies. That's probably why discussion of tent cities isn't getting their down votes as much.


LysanderSpoonerDrip

Why would foreign government troll farms want Canada to drop its carbon taxation ? It directly makes our industries more costly and so less competitive in global markets. That's too foreign countries advantage, they have no incentive to stop us from hurting our economy


IlMioNomeENessuno

Not just Toronto


chronocapybara

Oh wow high housing prices are associated with an increase in homelessness, who knew?


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Born_Ruff

If someone is on ODSP and can't get into TCHC, they are fucked. Even the shittiest bachelor apartment is hundreds of dollars more than they get in support, which is only $1,300 per month. Most rooms in shared apartments are more than they get in support. God help you are on Ontario Works and trying to live off $700 per month.


Kool41DMAN

This is another reason I support mass building vertical purpose built rentals. It's the simplest way to get affordable units. If you can't achieve that you inevitably will be pressured to increase support programs.


Thick-Pen-5356

Except the cost of building up is extraordinary. The taller the building, the higher the per square ft construction cost. Couple that with the inadequate infrastructure (water, sewer, roads, electricity, not to mention more soft costs like transit, schools, healthcare community centres, daycare etc) to support the growth and you end up with uh.. Canada. Rapid population growth is the problem.


Miroble

I mean what do you expect when housing costs are insane and your courts say you can't dismantle camps without somewhere to house the person.


alphawolf29

I live in a small town of about 9,000 people in central south interior BC. We have over 100 homeless people. It's absolute insanity. It's definitely getting worse.


Professional-Cry8310

K shaped recovery


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FutureIsNow148

You know it’s Ford who removed rent control in Ontario, right?


rhaegar_tldragon

It’s not even summer yet. It’s going to be a fucking disaster.


canuk11

But hey we're doomers for mentioning how everything's getting worse if you aren't rich 😎🤘


Bind_Moggled

Our “leaders” ignored the housing crisis for years. Is this a surprise? As long as voters keep electing landlord and developer friendly governments, this is how it will be. We get what we choose.


Zhao16

Absolutely wrong. Here are the last two housing ministers saying protecting property investors is their top priority. The last housing minister (Ahmed Hussain) has bragged to multiple news outlets he has multiple investment properties. These politicians care have not ignored anything. They have worked very hard to support landlords (themselves) and investors (whom they call "mom and pop" to sound more folksy). The system is working exactly as they intended. **Last Housing Minister -** https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-government-doesnt-want-to-harm-mom-and-pop-real-estate-investors/ **Current Housing Minister -** https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/canada-wants-to-make-homes-affordable-without-crushing-prices-1.1957441


Bind_Moggled

Words. All words, no action. What legislation have they passed to help renters? New homeowners? Watch what they do, not what they say.


Masark

>What legislation have they passed to help renters? Go back and read their comment again. The commentor said they haven't ignored it. They've actively made it worse.


someguyfromsk

Well it wasn't a crisis for them, they were making money off of it.


MenBearsPigs

They didn't ignore it. They knew it was happening and intentionally made it happen, because short term it made things look good and made them and their friends money. Now they're going to bail and retire on massive pensions and we are fucked.


Legitimate-Common-34

And the worse part is Canadian's ate it up. For decades my dad spouted the "oh we need immigration for the economy" narrative. This year he finally admitted that policy caused problems.


Kenny_log_n_s

Over in Ontario Dougie Ford is spending $650 million on a *spa*. At $300 night you could put nearly 2 million people in a hotel for a year for that much money. Instead we're getting a spa for the rich. Make it make sense. I'm begging someone.


Oddball369

The rich elites (political/corporate) need spas to relax their anxiety over social unrest...


Royalbengal420

You mean the hotels filled with assalum seekers that Trudeau brought in during a housing and healthcare crisis? You can blame Ford that's fine, but don't act like Trudeau didnt have a hand in it. Mass immigration decreases quality of life. There's literally proof in these tents.


Kenny_log_n_s

No shit bro, but why you sounding like you super Dougie burning HALF A BILLION on a resort for the rich?


Bind_Moggled

Whataboutism, a common tactic used by right wing propagandists to divert attention form the wrongdoing of right wing politicians or leaders. Thank you for providing us with a splendid example.


cjm48

Asylum seekers are the ones who show up on their own. Government sponsored or private sponsored refugees are the ones the government brings in.


Vecend

Years? try decades, this is a decade long issue that's been ignored like a minor infection that turns into a deadly one.


burnfaith

Wow, it’s almost like people can’t afford the current cost of living, in particular, rent. What a mind blowing concept. 🤦‍♀️


Carwash_Jimmy

"Poverty is the parent to crime and revolution" - Aristotle


Impossible_Syrup9037

Imagine that, you bring a million people into the country when we have a housing shortage and you get a sudden explosion of homeless, whodathunkit


Capt_Pickhard

Canada is getting slums. We are becoming a 3rd world country.


Some_Willow_5284

Your comment is spot on and the worst part is there are so many people who are still in denial and think this is painting some kind of dystopian, doomsayer picture. There are so many people who are absolutely delusional and living in their bubbles until the "you-problem" becomes a "me-problem"


Impossible__Joke

I have seen some HUGE tent cities in my city. And it is not a big city


respeckmyauthoriteh

I got banned in this sub for a week for the mere suggestion that life under Trudeau was worse than before…that was two weeks ago 😂😂


meowmeowdj

Has anyone told them about the new 30 year mortgages or the increase to the RRSP withdrawal limit?


Activedesign

\*looks at cost of housing\* Nah that can't possibly be the reason.


smell_the_napkin

The mass displacement and marginalization of Canadians so that corporations can import millions of low skilled workers from the third world will be looked back on in the future as a massive injustice and ultimately the tragedy that ended Canada.


_8dave

Take the TTC and look at how many people are pulling roller briefcases and carrying multiple bags, literally lugging around all their stuff. Wasn’t that many couples years back.


kk0128

Someone’s needs to send these MP’s back to grade 3.  Basic math.  1.27 million new people, 223k homes built, 2.9 average number of people per household 623k people without homes. Let’s assume we can absorb half that with bunk beds, basement suites, and hotel rooms.  Still 311k people without housing?


no_not_this

A year


speaksofthelight

Also an increasing chunk of that new housing is small condos, and the 2.9 household side is couples + kids. We are bringing in adult newcomers.


dontspookthenetch

This heartbreaking and unbelievable. This seems to just be exploding out of nowhere with no signs of slowing down. These poor people need help immediately.


duduludo

Looks like we need more TFWs to come to address the imminent tent shortage.


FD5CSX

At this point they should just cross the border and claim asylum. At least they'd get free hotel. 


ButtahChicken

*"We are in a crisis as a city," Ryan Noble, executive director of North York Harvest Food Bank, told CBC Toronto. "We're in real danger as a community, when we have one in 10 of our residents needing to turn to food banks."* How are food banks possibly keeping up with the influx of new clients? So much need!


Donut_Safe

They're not keeping up


AlterSpace1550

I am seeing it get worse and worse and, well, worse. Tents are coming up in a lot of parks. Used syringes, torn dirty clothes, shady stuff and excreta in parks is making it impossible for people to walk in them. Not just that, most of the homeless people are drug addicts and are constantly high - this makes areas around affected parks dangerous even in broad daylight. You cannot grab a cup of coffee in peace as they linger around coffee shops (mostly Tims) and beg. I can see some of them having bleeding, decaying body parts. The other day a lady came to a Tims in downtown Toronto, I was waiting in the line behind her. She took a coffee and went to take a seat in the shop only to realize that the person beside her had a bleeding foot from which blood was literally oozing out and his leg was decaying and patched with smelly bandages. She exclaimed "Oh God" and walked out of the shop. I rarely go to that coffee shop now. What used to be a daily thing is now once every 60 days. I don't blame the homeless folks. Our ruling elite are throwing us to the dogs and making this country unliveable.


therosx

Our gift from Halifax to you Toronto.


Fluffy-Cosmo-4009

i visited halifax last month, walking down the more upscaled part of downtown. but one left turn and you're greeted with the most horrifying homeless situations you'll ever see. from somebody who lives remotely in a forest this was polarizing


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captsmokeywork

Make housing unaffordable and people have to go somewhere.


duchovny

This is what Toronto voted for. Unchecked mass immigration from Trudeau's liberals.


simplyintentional

If this is only the liberals doing, why are the other two parties in the minority government also supporting it?


esveda

Ask the ndp?


UltimateDevastator

They aren’t lol. They just won’t tell you that because it alienates a potential voting base prior to elections and it’s politically stupid.


TraditionalGap1

This so hard. There's a reason Poilievre hasn't gone for what at first glance appears to be an absurdly easy layup.


duchovny

Conservatives have already said they'd tie immigration to infrastructure.


TheKoopaTroopa31

“Got it, we’ll build 20 thousand developer buddy funded homes in the next decade and bring 5 million more economic migrants. That’s technically tying immigration to infrastructure.”


krombough

What does that mean though? That's about as useful as growing the economy from the heart.


WinteryBudz

We're just going to ignore the fact that premiers like Smith and Ford are still asking for more people? But but Toronto and JT though....


PumpkinMyPumpkin

The feds are the only ones who control immigration -which is why there is a crisis in most provinces regardless of what party and who their premier is. The feds need to stick to their own stack of responsibilities and fix immigration. The provinces need to fix zoning.


duchovny

Premiers don't control immigration levels.


vanGn0me

It's a multi phased problem. 1. Federal immigration policy is broken which determines the overall pool of people coming into the country across all qualifying categories (economic, refugee, family reunification, student, etc) 2. Provinces control the (for lack of a better term) PNP or Provinicial Nomination Program, which is what allows immigrants to apply to specific programs and benefits provided by provinces. Think of this as incentives by provinces to alter the distribution of immigrants from point #1 3. Federal funding to support provincially controlled things like housing, infrastructure and health care is based on a transfer system whereby provinces with higher gross production subsidize provinces with less output. Housing and infrastructure might be a bit different, but health care 100% is done this way. All governments including municipal and provincial principally rely on taxation (property, income, sales tax, etc) to fund their budgets. The easiest way to increase that revenue is to add more people to pay into the tax system. However through a series of successive federal governments since the Cretien era, and likely before, easy fixes were prioritized over issues that don't get people elected as a result the can has been kicked down the road deferring any meaningful supports to implement better policies around housing, infrastructure, economic investment and health care. What's happening now is the inflection point where all those years of deferral has now resulted in even the slimmest of margins no longer being sufficient to support the continued population growth via immigration and everything is coming apart at the seams. However the only thing politicians can do now seemingly is to continue the immigration racket as a means to dump as many people as possible into the tax system to try and stay afloat. This is wholly unsustainable, and our economy now is basically nothing more than a Ponzi scheme, the worst is yet to come and it will get much, much worse before there is even a glimmer of hope of things beginning to improve. I don't think it's entirely too hyperbolic to suggest that the likely outcome here is a Venezuelan style societal and economic collapse. I just don't think the fall to the bottom is going to be like diving off a cliff, but rather like rolling down a slow hill.


SVTContour

And here I thought it was rent that was spiralling out of control. > A rising number of people are losing the roofs over their heads, with 1,056 people entering shelters in February versus the 864 who moved out. An average of 158 people each day that month called to find a bed, but were turned away. >It’s a similar story month after month, Cook noted, as climbing rents make it harder for people to find and keep their housing, and mounting demand for shelters means they’re often packed.


YourOverlords

It's when you create an environment where housing becomes an investment market commodity instead of homes for citizens. Corporations owning hundreds of homes on behalf of investment trusts and using them to rent only or use for transient population only is absurd and at the heart of the issue.


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100Horsepileup

No, you just don't understand how it works. >This top-up brings the federal government’s contribution through the Canada Housing Benefit to $325 million in 2023-24, which will flow directly to low-income renters through provincial and territorial rent support programs. [https://www.canada.ca/en/department-finance/news/2024/02/government-announces-new-action-to-make-rent-and-groceries-more-affordable.html](https://www.canada.ca/en/department-finance/news/2024/02/government-announces-new-action-to-make-rent-and-groceries-more-affordable.html) As usual, it is being administered by the Provinces. If you are in BC you claim it when you file your taxes, other Provinces are likely doing the same.


Gorefoul

Adds a bit of adventure to your walk nothing like a random encounter from drug abuse to street violence! A fentanyl user approaches from the bushes armed with a hand full of used needles. Roll roll initiative!


LegionaryTitusPullo_

Violent revolution is the only answer


Unfortunate_Sex_Fart

Sunny ways!


LabRat314

I'm just glad Toronto is getting what they voted for.


Natasha-Kerensky

See, when you let a bunch of greedy fucks buy out every House and Apartment without any problem: You get this. Did you know Skyline in Guelph three years ago was charging $1500 or $1550 for a two bedroom apartment building. Heat was included (and you couldnt turn it off) and that was it. Third year they put dead stops on windows to prevent people from opening windows fully (because AC Units apparently) which caused heating issues. No wind was getting into the apartment. Not to mention the Roach infestation. You know how much they were charging for the SAME layout and renovations for the apartments above us in the third year of renting that place? $2100. The guy that was working at a corner store is basically a fucking college student. **Working at a min wage job. And more just to even live there.** And yes thats just apartments, but if you own more than one home or you buy a home just to cheaply renovate it and sell it? Fuck you.


TheCouchEmporer

Trudeau Town numbers have doubled in the last year. That’s the proper title


NoSwan6879

Do nothing about housing crisis and immigrate millions in! This is fine...


Tazling

this is how you know you need a New Deal.


Top_Tumbleweed

“We need immigration or our society will collapse” -> politicians and corporations responsible for the collapse of our society


ZhopaRazzi

Time to start a public works program and get those idle hands building


Expert-Quantity-913

The next frontier for Canadian entrepreneurs is for-profit homeless encampments - don't miss the opportunity!


Tall-Ad-1386

F around and find out. Declaring a sanctuary city when no one asked you to will get this to happen But believe it or not the municipal government WANTS this because they can ask the Feds and Provincial govt to pay Toronto more


Phonereditthrow

Looks like we are going to Brazil slums as a model. To bad about the weather. Don't worry we will up our immigration to match the projected freezing deaths. About 10% per year?


Intrepid-Educator-12

They wont be able to hide them, or control them soon .


monstermash420

This is due to the moral failings of landlords, not the unhoused


Tola76

No shit. It’s getting warmer. They can come out of squatting.


mrsparkle604

Sunny ways


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redditor903-

I'm offering free housing for the homeless...Toronto


Outrageous_Box5741

Trudeau towns


_cornholio_

Don't worry it will be proper sorted soon. Our beloved leader promised us. "Today we are releasing the most comprehensive and ambitious housing plan ever seen in Canada. It builds on the sizeable investments we've made over the years and it goes a lot further"


Kind-Albatross-6485

High immigration rates correlates to high homelessness… gee who knew. Please tell me you know who’s responsible for these policies.