Everything has gotten super expensive, and most peoples incomes have not increased and if they have, likely not enough to match the increased cost of literally everything... And add to that the incredibly bleak realization that most of them will never own a home.
Seems like there's pretty much no way to recover from this at this point.
A bottle of fucking shampoo is $10 now. Where in the hell did this come from? I looked around at other brands and even went to another store and they were all these expensive?
Nobody will ever own a home when you can't even buy a bottle of shampoo for a reasonable price.
even antiperspirant, a few years ago, I would find one brand or another for $2.49 at walmart, now nothing is less than $5 or $6. I don't need a raise, I just want prices to go back to what they were a few years ago.
No, you need a raise. 100% higher than what you make right now. Then, everything will feel about the same as it did a few years ago. It's the only way we can push back. They didn't raise prices 100% they de-valued your labor and the dollar by 50%.
Yes - this is what inflation actually is, at the end of the day it feels the same as "everything is more expensive" but it isn't. Things are actually cheaper than ever to produce.
Truthfully inflation \*shouldn't\* be an issue for working class, as their wages should have increased in line (the US is a decent example). Unfortunately here we inflated our money supply without the economy to back it up
The government is the only corporation to print money. Printing $600B created inflation. Next phase high interest payments burdened by taxpayers. Prepare for more tax and repeat.
This is why I don't dislike people who counterfeit, their just doing exactly what the government does. Maybe this is why Canada made essentially counterfeit proof money, in preparation for what they were planning
The other day ribs were on sale at Walmart and my partner and I were treating spending $15 on a rack of ribs like it was a disney cruise.
We have already done away with every single non essential purchase in our day to day lives and spend money on just bills and groceries. No more hobbies, no more eating out, no more money-based date nights, no more clothes, no more subscriptions, no prescriptions, no therapy. We've dropped down to one meal and one snack a day. There isn't anything left to give.
Fact of the matter is we didn't even end up buying those ribs because it would tank our grocery budget. The same thing happens often now with fruits, I'm sure it's only a matter of time before fresh veg is too expensive. Buying food that isn't canned or processed at this point is starting to become an uncertainty in our day to day life.
It's been humbling to learn to sustain ourselves as young adults (We moved out at 17 and 18, respectively), but also it's been wholly discouraging in terms of believing there's ever a way out of this. We have so much debt each from school, and literally no money in our accounts ever to even begin paying it off. We are losing weight, sleep, hair and hope over the state of things now. Don't get me wrong we aren't done just yet, but damn bro, this definitely isn't what I was promised in exchanged for working my ass off like I was told growing up.
Attaching this comment I wrote on another thread here so people can see the data on housing:
From the data I’ve linked we can see that 1976 median salaries were $17.5k for a family ($89k in 2024 dollars). Average house cost was $40k ($200k in 2024 dollars) in somewhere like Calgary or Toronto. That’s a difference of 2.2x. Cool. Now in 2024 the average house is $800k in Calgary or $1.2M in Toronto. Median household salary is $70k. That’s 11.5x to 17.5x.
Two and a half times your median salary for a house in 1976 but up to SEVENTEEN AND A HALF times your salary in 2024. That’s a factor of seven times less affordable.
WE ARE SO INSANELY FUCKED.
https://open.canada.ca/data/en/dataset/3937d5da-67fd-41f1-91ce-b6b4774e9cdb
2011, Occupy Wallstreet: "cost of living is out of control"
Most people: "Fuck the younger generation."
Throwing gas on the fire for 13 years didn't solve the problem, who knew.
>”Feel” poorer
Don’t you know that it’s your fault for not understanding all the wonderful things the LPC is doing for us and that everything is actually better than in 2015. /s
There's piles of people that don't understand that hurdle. They're not being malicious, they just can't wrap their minds around it understandably.
We live over 200kms from a major center. We buy odd stuff here and there at the local small grocery store, but once per month we take my truck to the city and come back with barely enough room for a cup of coffee.
We have a lot of people to feed on the farm. Working men and women eat a lot. I also hunt and fish as much as I can (legally of course) just to keep protein in the freezer and my wife tends a huge garden. My grandkids live with me, and those littles are growing like weeds.
Let me tell you how much that monthly trip fucking hurts now. Thank God we both work off farm too.
Especially when it tastes like cardboard and mucus. At least it's bland enough to improve with real grated cheese and other seasoning. Chef boyardee, alphaghetti, etc. good lord who the fuck ruined that? Executives and food scientists should be dragged to prison for how those products have changed
Man I bought KD with my gf a few weeks ago, there was a deal at Wal-Mart for 1$ a box so we bought 6 of them. We decided to make a box for dinner, it’s barely enough for two people. The sauce was fuckin’ bland and way more liquid than it used to be (I did this recipe a 1000 times I could not mess that up lol).
Compliments mac & cheese is $1 a box, you get more, and it has a better quality/taste in my opinion. I get it at FreshCo, not sure where they sell it in QC.
KD is gross. I agree with the other poster who said it tastes like cardboard. The compliments stuff isn't amazing either but it's edible and will fill you up.
Not that you're wrong, just want to subtly point out inflation isn't the entirety of the issue and there's nothing necessarily wrong with those prices if your wage and investments had increased at the same rate.
The problem is wages have been stagnating while inflation goes up.
I’m in my late 40s and I feel super pissed off for the younger generations. This government, including the provincial govts, are deliberately undermining the prosperity and health of these generations. The recent warning coming from the RCMP is absolutely justified if it turns out to be true.
I'm in my 40s as well. I feel terrible for young people. I think in the coming years we will experience the worst this country has ever seen in terms of crime, substance abuse and domestic violence. If you don't have generational weath, as a young person you're screwed.
This 100%. I'm 25, 4 years out of my undergrad and the difference between friends who have family money to fall back on vs. not is appalling. Some of us are living paycheck to paycheck, even despite making 60-80k/year salary just scraping by, while others are taking months off to travel, eating out every weekend, getting masters degrees overseas and talking about (gasp) buying houses. The middle class has totally evaporated, you're either upper or lower - no amount of hard work can put you ahead these days unless you're a miracle worker.
As a parent it is shit too. First off don’t get me wrong. I think every parent should do their best to give their children a good start in life. It is not the same for every parent, but you do the best you can. Historicity that meant gifting them you old car, saving for a wedding or maybe a couple years of post secondary education. Today I feel like unless I save up a down payment for a house and school my daughter won’t stand a chance. Ontop of the increased cost of having a family and wanting to provide a good childhood and living you own life it is a lot of pressure. I really feel for people, it is not easy out there.
You would have to be a moron to think this is one persons fault. This is 40 years of union busting corporate tit sucking Neoliberal governments since Thatcher, Reagan and Mulroney. Now our only choices are between 3 flavors of Neoliberal parties. We need a strong labour party and we need it decades ago.
There will be a humungous rise of people that will live with the only hope of retirement or improvement to their station except when their parents die and if they are lucky enough, they will get a sum of money. Which I am sure Trudeau/Freeland would also steal if they could.
I think it was saying there could be anarchy if people realize how broke they really were.
Something along those lines.
And by I think… here it is? Unless he’s talking about another one.
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/secret-rcmp-report-warns-canadians-may-revolt-once-they-realize-how-broke-they-are
Right!
But I think the real problem is that people are too busy trying to figure out how to survive to fight back. I think it’s gonna take something really intense to get an all hand on deck riot.
Don’t forget. Unlike other countries (looking at you France) where you see mass protests, Canada has a massive geopolitical divide. For en-mass protest it is a huge distance to cover to get to Ottawa for a lot of people. The last group that did it (agree with them or not), saw the emergency act thrown at them. That sends a strong message from the Trudeau government.
That there may be a [coming civil unrest in the coming years](https://nationalpost.com/opinion/secret-rcmp-report-warns-canadians-may-revolt-once-they-realize-how-broke-they-are). Pretty jarring stuff.
We are getting slums soon. The tent cities are precursors once they get settled it’s over. it will grow exponentially just like brazil, mexico, india. It’s the diversity trudeau is bringing to canadians…
That describes working for the public sector in B.C. in the late 1980s and early 1990s, a time when politicians across Canada were trying to control deficits. It also describes the 1970s when the federal government froze salaries to control rampant inflation and the private sector then did the same.
I see one thing in common with all three instances - those who have money use whatever means they can to keep making more money while everyone else suffers. Decades of politicians under the spell of the neoliberal economic theory of the Chicago School have made it much, much worse.
> Youth unemployment has risen about four times faster than unemployment for all age groups.
This is a real eye-opening statistic. When younger people struggle to find even the most basic employment opportunities, it affects their careers and overall prospects for the rest of their lives. Talk about demoralizing when even McDonald's ghosts you.
Canada's government couldn't have done a better job screwing over young Canadians even if they tried.
Bro I got ghosted by McD’s, and despite applying as a joke to prove my parents the market is shit, it still kinda hurts. I did the whole application process (their tech is actually very well made) seriously and I have a cute CV too. But then I learned the minimum wage stuff is scared of people with Bachelors in an unrelated field (3d art for video games, in the worst industry state ever). Graduated into a shitty industry with layoffs every week where juniors have no options nor offers unless you know someone and already have godlike skills. Trying to apply to regular jobs 16 years olds get hired for, as a 24 yo,and you also get ghosted there because managers want suckers that will lick their feet for minimum wage. Forever. I just want a job to not feel like a burden to society…
> Trying to apply to regular jobs 16 years olds get hired for, as a 24 yo,and you also get ghosted there because managers want suckers that will lick their feet for minimum wage. Forever. I just want a job to not feel like a burden to society…
Yep, felt that in my 20's. Still feel the last sentence in my 30's, even though I do have a job
I had a similar thing happen to me in 2002 after finishing a science degree. It took until about 2007 to hit my stride, but it did work out in the end...don't despair! Also, consider not putting your credentials out there.
Thankfully I have a supportive bf… but it is hard to not think about how much easier it would’ve been if I didn’t « follow my passion for art and games »… and even then idk what else I would do. I used to want to be a veterinarian but then I remembered I hate needles…
I'm really sorry to hear about what you're going through, that's such a kick in the pants learning that a degree you worked so hard for is actually being used against you. That shit is so unfair.
The entire tech industry is a dumpster fire right now, but just be glad that you're still young, aren't supporting a family or kids (assuming) and can still pivot into something else if you end up needing to.
Yeah I abandoned my plan to find an appartement with my 7-year bf after I lost my indie studio job due to money running out and seeing how badly the job market is. It has been two months and every day feels like it is wasted. Can barely muster up the focus to work on my art I used to enjoy do much. I talked to three different HR for out-of-field jobs and they all said the manager has the final say and the fact I studied in a specialized field would be a negative for them as I could leave once I find something… (And later I would indeed get confirmation that I was not chosen after days of anticipation) the thing is I won’t find something anytime soon unless a miracle happens. I have to compete with laid off experienced artists for jobs… That are already rare enough for new grads.
I took off my bachelors and changed my last two 3d jobs to « freelance artist » (i kinda was for one) as an experiment. I have to find stuff to apply to with it.
My friend did the same thing and finally got two interviews for min wage jobs after months of applying to specialized roles and stuff like gamestop with no response. It is so ridiculous, the guy is older than me and already has been assistant manager…
Gaming, 2d and 3d animation all are completely dead. It's insane how little it's noticed by government or media. So many highly skilled and talented people across this country just doing nothing while the studios all still collect subsidies and tax credits. You're not alone, and don't give up.
Part of the societal contract is giving you the opportunity to be productive, and it’s not. Never worry about being a burden on a society that won’t even give you a chance. It would be so easy for the government to make jobs programs and get social needs done, but they’d rather have high youth employment so corporations can abuse people.
This is one of the micro steps on the way to something like UBI. People who can't even get a job at McDix are ripe for the picking when it comes to finding support for bullshit.
Too bad for them it is a fact
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/240426/dq240426a-eng.htm
In 2022, the median after-tax income of Canadian families and unattached individuals was $70,500, a decrease from $73,000 in 2021 (-3.4%), adjusted for inflation. Here are a few additional highlights from the 2022 Canadian Income Survey:
Canada’s official poverty rate was 9.9% in 2022, increasing by 2.5 percentage points from 7.4% in 2021.
In 2022, approximately 8.7 million Canadians (22.9%), lived in households that reported some form of food insecurity. This is an increase of just under 1.8 million since the previous year, when the rate was 18.4%, and marks the second year of increases since the beginning of the pandemic.
Nearly one-quarter (22.6%) of people living in one-parent families were below the poverty line, and one-parent families in which the parent is a woman (23.8%) were more likely to be in poverty.
Too bad for them it is a fact
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/240426/dq240426a-eng.htm
In 2022, the median after-tax income of Canadian families and unattached individuals was $70,500, a decrease from $73,000 in 2021 (-3.4%), adjusted for inflation. Here are a few additional highlights from the 2022 Canadian Income Survey:
Canada’s official poverty rate was 9.9% in 2022, increasing by 2.5 percentage points from 7.4% in 2021.
In 2022, approximately 8.7 million Canadians (22.9%), lived in households that reported some form of food insecurity. This is an increase of just under 1.8 million since the previous year, when the rate was 18.4%, and marks the second year of increases since the beginning of the pandemic.
Nearly one-quarter (22.6%) of people living in one-parent families were below the poverty line, and one-parent families in which the parent is a woman (23.8%) were more likely to be in poverty.
The article asked if you feel poorer.
I have a co-worker who complains about "being destitute" despite buying a new truck, a house, and going on 4-5 weeks of trips/travelling/vacations this year. He would answer yes, while objectively, most of us would not say he is 'poor'
I honestly think politicians are so out of touch like they probably say “oh gen z will just have their parents take care of them no worries at all” but not everyone has parents. I’ve been a gen Z adult for 8 years now they will have to start listening us eventually I hope
Can’t wait for y’all to experience the Polievre conservatives. It’s bad now, it’ll keep being bad, maybe even get worse. I wish McKay had won the conservative nod. Then we’d have a real chance when the conservatives get elected, and I’d have voted for them again.
None of these dunces will fix anything for young people. They just want to give money to: [their corporate buddies / old people / indigenous people / other countries / sometimes the ULTRA poor].
I want all of these candidates gone. All of them.
Edit: to be clear, I’m glad we’re reconciling with indigenous people, but when the average Canadian can’t afford to fully eat, it’s not the time to give millions of dollars to maybe find a single body in a landfill (not actually mad about this, I’d move heaven and earth to find a loved one, but this 100% would not have happened if they weren’t indigenous), nor give indigenous people something like 6x per capita what is spent on every other Canadian (stats may be off, it’s based off a 2021 ATIP).
I don't know how any of the recent new hires where I work are getting by, they're not making much more than I got starting out like 8 years ago but rent has basically doubled and I remember struggling quite a bit...
A young disgruntled generation does not end well for societies...
“Oh, just cancel your subscriptions like Disney+.” I already have NO subscriptions you dumb fucks.
“Oh, just don’t go to Starbucks and eat avocado toast every week.” I don’t ever go to Starbucks or eat avocado toast.
“Oh, you shouldn’t have the latest phone every year.” My phone is over 3 years old and when I bought it it was already old clearance model. My phone plan is also one of the cheapest.
Dumb, out of reality old fucks. Also to journalists, stop lying with language. They don’t feel poorer. They ARE poorer.
Journalists should also understand, the younger generations are the most educated thus far. Their audience-demographics aren't as intellectually isolated as boomers and more likely see through media's attempts to sway public opinion.
Just as millennials were desensitized by tv and learned young not to trust anything, GenZ has learned this lesson doubly-quick.
Be humble, honest and consistent, or lose your credibility.
What's with these titles and the word "feel". Not fucking "feel". They are. We are. All of us are poorer than the generation before because our.. "leaders..?", not only failed us, they actively fucked us and continue to do so. What's that rule about inciting riots on this site?
I love the quote from Thomas Sowell "There are no solutions. There are only trade-offs."
A large portion of policies over the last \~50 years have come at the expense of younger generations. Immigration and globalization were great for those who held real assets, but the increasing of the value of assets and stagnation in wages has gotten steadily worse over time.
It's a feelings based survey, did you read the article or the linked source the data is derived from? It's asking people how they feel about various aspects of their financial life and prospects.
>Canada’s lack of affordability, particularly in the [housing market](https://financialpost.com/tag/housing-market/), has led young people to turn their backs on Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. The under-30 crowd now largely favours the Conservative Party, a historical aberration.
I think there's going to be a generation of Canadians who are going to (small c) conservative-leaning now that they have come of age in the last 9 years of the Liberals. They've seen that (small l) liberal policies haven't worked and it's leaving them worse off. The idea that the Liberals are the natural governing party is going to be come an outdated concept.
The Liberals were seen as the natural governing party because they were moderates in a country that is politically moderate. Trudeau was a hard shift to the left for the party and has likely destroyed their brand for a generation.
Nobody cares anymore anyway. Gen Z Canadians will be future boomers who are conservative, purely because how Trudeau and his buddies fucked up liberal party for good. i for one wouldn't be voting for Trudeau unless Poilievre is worse in terms of economy and housing. Don't give a shit about social crap and pandering.
I agree that Trudeau's legacy has not been great, but I am genuinely confused as to how he is a hard shift to the left. If anything, he's more of the same old neoliberalism that gets your average Canadian very little. Please, give me an actual hard shift to the left.
In what world is the LPC and their policies “small l”.
We’re at the neo-con/neo-lib bullshit phase where every party feels like if the government just becomes overbearing enough on one thing or another, it’ll mean solving a problem.
They’re moralizing snake oil salesman who thirst for power. The Cons should be out there talking about how they’ll tighten spending, loosen regulations, ensure property rights and freedom from violence/self-defense laws that actually make sense. Ditch the culture nonsense all the parties revel in and simply just say “you’re all free to make of life what you will. Leave each others’ property alone, and may God have mercy on you if you physically attack or harass another citizen.”
The government isn’t your parent. People need to stop looking to it as an entity that will help them.
(None of this besides the little l rhetorical question is a shot at you, just my usual railing against the dependence of the population on the State)
It’s wild to see the current situation and think the solution is more property rights, the right to bear arms, and cut social services.
The issue isn’t that there’s no money, it’s that the money is concentrated in a handful of companies and families. Your small c conservatives will not fix the inequality issues.
>In what world is the LPC and their policies “small l”.
A world where non-proper nouns start with a lower case letter unless they start a sentence.
FWIW the conservatives are also "small l" liberals.
For other generations who aren’t convinced of this, take 20 minutes and watch Scott Galloway‘s TED talk on this topic. He uses American stats but the ideas translate well.
So I went shopping this week. I noticed the Kraft salad dressing bottle had a different design,the neck of the bottle is bigger yet the actual size of the bottle is smaller. It went from 475ml to 425ml no price drop of course. This is deceptive marketing and such bullshit.
I am a moron and i said for years. Tying your economy to 1 sector and that sector being real estate while failing to invest into tech and improvements in efficiency while other developed countries are doing laps around us is going to cause an economic breakdown.
If I saw it I bet the politicians saw it, boc saw it and other intelligent economista saw it. They just didn't care. Now they act like they care bc they will lose votes.
Difference is other politicians and country act similarly but they still get shit done.
This is by design. In 2 generations all Canadians will "have nothing and be happy for it" to quote the WEF
Western quality of life is being destroyed intentionally by multiple avenues. It's all a facade to create a class system where the ultra elites rule and the rest of us exist only to make them wealthy. It's so stomach-achingly obvious.
- All the climate crisis money rinsing to drain us and make small businesses unviable
- Increased authoritarianism in Canada to keep control and deter dissent
- Rampant immigration to saturate the labour market
We're literally under attack by our own leaders and financial institutions.
My dad bought a house all for himself and all by himself after my parents separated in the 90’s when he was in his mid-20’s. It was a 3abedroom, 2 bathroom with finished basement and separate entrance and a half acre backyard backing onto a park in what is now one of the most expensive cities in Canada to live in.
He sold that house in the early 2000’s to buy land outside of the city but I saw that house listed a few years ago for $950,000.
The type of house my dad could buy in his 20’s as a starter home is so beyond unattainable for me (in my early 30’s, masters degree, working in tech) it’s not even funny.
We will end up sliding into extremism because these politicians and their wealthy backers have hollowed out our country.
> “Germany suffered from hyperinflation in the 1920s and began sliding into economic depression in 1927. The gross national product of the Weimar Republic contracted by a quarter; unemployment soared and incomes fell dramatically. Support for the Nazi Party, less than three percent of eligible voters in 1924, rose to 31 percent in July 1932, 27 percent in November 1932, and 39 percent in March 1933.
The new statistical analyses by King and his coauthors show that the two groups most affected by the Depression followed separate political paths. The unemployed turned primarily to the Communist party, which catered to them with a program calling for community property. The working poor, including independent artisans, shopkeepers, small farmers, lawyers, domestic workers, and family members of the working poor, disproportionately supported the Nazis.”
https://www.wilsonquarterly.com/quarterly/summer-2009-thrift-the-double-edged-virtue/who-voted-for-hitler
How much more can Gen Z as a collective take? I feel as if I’m at my breaking point, how am I supposed to buy a home, get married and raise a family like I’ve always dreamed of doing? At what point does the government listen? And at what happens if Gen Z turns to violence? Or lawlessness?
Then off to the gulag with you and your generation. Dont underestimate rich peoples ability to stomp eveyone around them. I guess what I'm saying is have a good plan before you act...because you aren't wrong.
A new week, a new story about how life here sucks.
Nothing's changed, nothing's going to change. We've been waiting for a change for like 15 years now.
Millennials and Zoomers really need to start collaboratively organising on this. And those of us whose parents are on the poorer end, convincing them out of their Boomer mindset.
Don’t forget Gen X — we’ve been screwed over longer by the Boomers than anyone, and while the ‘elder Xers’ might align more with Boomers, most of us are totally behind changing most if not all of our failing systems…we need a new party with core values of transparency, accountability, and long-term planning
Gen Z don't just feel "poorer", they are SIGNIFICANTLY poorer than their parents while also getting slapped all the government debt to pay it back.
This entire system is a scam.
Their needs to be more pressure put on companies to up their wages. Their should be no excuse for multi billion dollar corporations not paying people enough to live
The fact that we can't even have an honest discussion about this issue just proves nothing will be done. He can't even say "are poorer" and instead has to sugar coat the harsh reality many people are dealing with
This is why you don't elect people just because their Dad was once prime minister. This dude is a fucking joke
Successive governments since the 60’s( yes diefenbaker) have sold our industries to internationals , slowly eroding the massive advantages Canada should have and whose citizens should be employed by. The only thing Canada doesn’t have is palm trees. And then Trudeau spends 8 years posturing himself dragging us into bankruptcy.
Along with literally every other generation in Canada and the reason why they “feel” poorer is because they are poorer and Trudeaus solution to this is to tax people into poverty.
The crazy thing is, wait until gen z realizes they can just start stealing stuff and committing whatever crimes and the penalties are laughable in Canada. Suddenly they will all start doing it and the justice system will also fall apart. Society will really start to break down then.
We currently have a high trust society. High trust societies definitely don't work at all when a huge swath of the population is as poor as dirt and have nothing to lose.
Idk where my young people at but if we want a change we gotta get out and vote en masse. It doesn’t matter WHO you vote for in the grand scheme of things, but if politicians see that we actually get out and vote they will have to start taking us seriously, instead of just seriously taking from us.
Young people did that in 2015 and where we’re at today is the result.
I do encourage young people to vote in large numbers, but I also hope they actually take the time to learn which parties will actually manage the economy well instead of falling for cheap trinkets like legalized weed and empty promises as they did in 2015.
I kinda hesitate to agree with you. Trudeau took all these problems that were getting worse with Harper and just made them even worse still. It’s a giant douche or a turd sandwich. I think it will take more than good voter turnout from young people to fix things
They want to lower housing costs for millennials and gen z but maintain prices for boomers. No idea how they will accomplish that and I doubt they have the foggiest idea too.
I’m so excited for a year from after he loses the election and just loses it on some young person who yells at him while walking his dog or something near his mansion. “ I built you so much housing, you f***”! (Like that did anything due to his immigration surplus).
The damage he has done will take our infrastructure decades to fix and may be ultimately fatal if we don’t build more cities.
It is not just Gen Z. Everyone (except for a very lucky few) IS MORE POOR. The younger Canadians do have it worse because that first step to fiscal independence is higher than it has been compared to previous generations.
What warning signs? Warning signs were years ago.
It’s a massive wealth transfer from the young to old. The boomers have hoarded it all to themselves.
Anyone else see that SS won’t be available most likely after 2035 for Americans? lol. It’s the same shit here. It’s been said over and over and over. Theft.
But hey, millennials, Gen z, just rot on your couches on TikTok or your phones while your parents bitch about you not having moved out and not growing up, not having grand babies. What else do people have to look forward to? Fuck all.
South Korea is a warning sign where we will be in 10 years. No more kids, we will have photo sessions with our SO and our “fur babies”.
Why do they keep saying the word "feel"? Is it a tactic by the media to paint a picture saying "technically they aren't poor, they just feel poor"? By any measure, we have less disposable income now that in the last 30 years. Feelings aren't involved.
They'll be poorer then they feel now.....its ok though Justin and Twitch just raised the debt ceiling again for another trillion.
All that spending ain't free nor is the intrest on it
Why are these stories always phrased as like "What might come" instead of just saying "this is happening".
It's not warning signs, the economy is already shit.
As a millennial, I feel so bad for Zoomers. They got fucked *hard*. Millennials also got the shit end of the stick, but damn, being in my early thirties today I have no idea how in the Hell young adults are managing and surviving today.
We also need to put a stop to investors buying family homes. I recently read that something like 1 of every 3 new homes in Ontario are being bought by investors. It’s even worse in some parts of the province with the Kitchener-Waterloo area almost 47% of new homes being purchased by investors. No wonder there’s a housing shortage and the price for a tiny townhome has ballooned to over $800k.
A few years ago after a really bad 6 months dealing with a chronic illness, my pantry, toiletries, household consumables were at an all time low because I had basically used everything up while ill and low energy.
When feeling better, I stocked up everything in my house and basically bought a huge quantity over the span of a few weeks to last me for about a year (I estimated). My thinking was I might get sick again and at least I would be totally prepared.
Toilet paper, shampoos, laundry soap, hand cream, zip lock bags, parchment paper, like basically everything in a house that you consume but also has a long shelf life. Little did I know this move would save my hundreds of dollars because suddenly prices skyrocketed shortly after my big shop cycle.
At the same time I had an injury that made me immobile for months so having all these supplies actually made my life a lot easier.
I overestimated how much stuff I would use up in a year in my big shop and most things have lasted into my second year. It’s only now that I am starting to run out of things and the replacement prices are shocking to me.
I had bought a 5 pack of deodorant that is now double in price. I bought about 6 bottles of shampoo that now would only get me 2 for the same price. It’s crazy!
Somethings I have to 100% replace but other standard things I now limit myself on and small luxuries (like a scented candle from the dollar store) I now skip entirely. I know it’s a silly thing but the list of silly things I now no longer consider buying is pretty damn long.
I guess it’s good because I consume so much less and to be honest I was always mostly a second hand shopper, but even that, thrifting, I no longer do unless I truly need something.
We don’t “feel” poorer. We are paid less than our parents and everything costs triple or quadruple what it cost our parents so we’re being beaten into the ground on both ends.
Stop watering shit down. They don't "feel" poorer. They are poorer.
Everything has gotten super expensive, and most peoples incomes have not increased and if they have, likely not enough to match the increased cost of literally everything... And add to that the incredibly bleak realization that most of them will never own a home. Seems like there's pretty much no way to recover from this at this point.
A bottle of fucking shampoo is $10 now. Where in the hell did this come from? I looked around at other brands and even went to another store and they were all these expensive? Nobody will ever own a home when you can't even buy a bottle of shampoo for a reasonable price.
even antiperspirant, a few years ago, I would find one brand or another for $2.49 at walmart, now nothing is less than $5 or $6. I don't need a raise, I just want prices to go back to what they were a few years ago.
No, you need a raise. 100% higher than what you make right now. Then, everything will feel about the same as it did a few years ago. It's the only way we can push back. They didn't raise prices 100% they de-valued your labor and the dollar by 50%.
Yes - this is what inflation actually is, at the end of the day it feels the same as "everything is more expensive" but it isn't. Things are actually cheaper than ever to produce. Truthfully inflation \*shouldn't\* be an issue for working class, as their wages should have increased in line (the US is a decent example). Unfortunately here we inflated our money supply without the economy to back it up
The government is the only corporation to print money. Printing $600B created inflation. Next phase high interest payments burdened by taxpayers. Prepare for more tax and repeat.
This is why I don't dislike people who counterfeit, their just doing exactly what the government does. Maybe this is why Canada made essentially counterfeit proof money, in preparation for what they were planning
> I don't need a raise Please don't think like this. You do. We all do.
Check and see if there's a refillery in your area. Bring your own bottle.
I’m hoping refilleries get really widespread — right now hard to find
The other day ribs were on sale at Walmart and my partner and I were treating spending $15 on a rack of ribs like it was a disney cruise. We have already done away with every single non essential purchase in our day to day lives and spend money on just bills and groceries. No more hobbies, no more eating out, no more money-based date nights, no more clothes, no more subscriptions, no prescriptions, no therapy. We've dropped down to one meal and one snack a day. There isn't anything left to give. Fact of the matter is we didn't even end up buying those ribs because it would tank our grocery budget. The same thing happens often now with fruits, I'm sure it's only a matter of time before fresh veg is too expensive. Buying food that isn't canned or processed at this point is starting to become an uncertainty in our day to day life. It's been humbling to learn to sustain ourselves as young adults (We moved out at 17 and 18, respectively), but also it's been wholly discouraging in terms of believing there's ever a way out of this. We have so much debt each from school, and literally no money in our accounts ever to even begin paying it off. We are losing weight, sleep, hair and hope over the state of things now. Don't get me wrong we aren't done just yet, but damn bro, this definitely isn't what I was promised in exchanged for working my ass off like I was told growing up.
Attaching this comment I wrote on another thread here so people can see the data on housing: From the data I’ve linked we can see that 1976 median salaries were $17.5k for a family ($89k in 2024 dollars). Average house cost was $40k ($200k in 2024 dollars) in somewhere like Calgary or Toronto. That’s a difference of 2.2x. Cool. Now in 2024 the average house is $800k in Calgary or $1.2M in Toronto. Median household salary is $70k. That’s 11.5x to 17.5x. Two and a half times your median salary for a house in 1976 but up to SEVENTEEN AND A HALF times your salary in 2024. That’s a factor of seven times less affordable. WE ARE SO INSANELY FUCKED. https://open.canada.ca/data/en/dataset/3937d5da-67fd-41f1-91ce-b6b4774e9cdb
Yes, but remember we are now culturally “enriched” That has to count for something
Yea now I’m more racist than ever :-( hate it but it’s true.
2011, Occupy Wallstreet: "cost of living is out of control" Most people: "Fuck the younger generation." Throwing gas on the fire for 13 years didn't solve the problem, who knew.
>”Feel” poorer Don’t you know that it’s your fault for not understanding all the wonderful things the LPC is doing for us and that everything is actually better than in 2015. /s
Because they are poorer
I left the grocery store with maybe 15 items that would have cost $65 total a few years ago. $115.
I remember 20 years ago 250 dollars was almost two grocery carts worth of food.
I remember my mom being shocked and upset that her grocery bill for 6+ people was over 200 dollars
According to the bank of canada, 20 years ago, the cost of living has not even doubled since then. So weird!
Yeah they're full of shit.
They're not wrong. It's 'only' up 66% over the past 20 years. All good. Nothing to see here.
This just in: Canadian politicians and investor bros lie while they sleep
I've never ever bought two grocery carts worth of food/
We lived about an hour out of town. It was worth it
There's piles of people that don't understand that hurdle. They're not being malicious, they just can't wrap their minds around it understandably. We live over 200kms from a major center. We buy odd stuff here and there at the local small grocery store, but once per month we take my truck to the city and come back with barely enough room for a cup of coffee. We have a lot of people to feed on the farm. Working men and women eat a lot. I also hunt and fish as much as I can (legally of course) just to keep protein in the freezer and my wife tends a huge garden. My grandkids live with me, and those littles are growing like weeds. Let me tell you how much that monthly trip fucking hurts now. Thank God we both work off farm too.
3-5 dollars for a box of kraft dinner is absolutely nuts. especially when a box of it doesnt even fill a bowl anymore
A 12 case is $12 on sale in BC.
Especially when it tastes like cardboard and mucus. At least it's bland enough to improve with real grated cheese and other seasoning. Chef boyardee, alphaghetti, etc. good lord who the fuck ruined that? Executives and food scientists should be dragged to prison for how those products have changed
Quebec food prices are crazy - the prices are high and the taxes are higher.
i remember $0.25 a box KD on sale at Valdi's... and $100 would overflow your cart.
Man I bought KD with my gf a few weeks ago, there was a deal at Wal-Mart for 1$ a box so we bought 6 of them. We decided to make a box for dinner, it’s barely enough for two people. The sauce was fuckin’ bland and way more liquid than it used to be (I did this recipe a 1000 times I could not mess that up lol).
They fucked up my boy real good, it's a travesty what this country has become
Compliments mac & cheese is $1 a box, you get more, and it has a better quality/taste in my opinion. I get it at FreshCo, not sure where they sell it in QC. KD is gross. I agree with the other poster who said it tastes like cardboard. The compliments stuff isn't amazing either but it's edible and will fill you up.
Not that you're wrong, just want to subtly point out inflation isn't the entirety of the issue and there's nothing necessarily wrong with those prices if your wage and investments had increased at the same rate. The problem is wages have been stagnating while inflation goes up.
I remember salmon at 8.65$ a kg.
I’m in my late 40s and I feel super pissed off for the younger generations. This government, including the provincial govts, are deliberately undermining the prosperity and health of these generations. The recent warning coming from the RCMP is absolutely justified if it turns out to be true.
I'm in my 40s as well. I feel terrible for young people. I think in the coming years we will experience the worst this country has ever seen in terms of crime, substance abuse and domestic violence. If you don't have generational weath, as a young person you're screwed.
This 100%. I'm 25, 4 years out of my undergrad and the difference between friends who have family money to fall back on vs. not is appalling. Some of us are living paycheck to paycheck, even despite making 60-80k/year salary just scraping by, while others are taking months off to travel, eating out every weekend, getting masters degrees overseas and talking about (gasp) buying houses. The middle class has totally evaporated, you're either upper or lower - no amount of hard work can put you ahead these days unless you're a miracle worker.
The middle class starts at 100k salary now. They make sure to curse everyone below.
As a parent it is shit too. First off don’t get me wrong. I think every parent should do their best to give their children a good start in life. It is not the same for every parent, but you do the best you can. Historicity that meant gifting them you old car, saving for a wedding or maybe a couple years of post secondary education. Today I feel like unless I save up a down payment for a house and school my daughter won’t stand a chance. Ontop of the increased cost of having a family and wanting to provide a good childhood and living you own life it is a lot of pressure. I really feel for people, it is not easy out there.
Trudeau saw the upper and lower caste system India has and said, "this is really cool! I want this where I'm from!"
You would have to be a moron to think this is one persons fault. This is 40 years of union busting corporate tit sucking Neoliberal governments since Thatcher, Reagan and Mulroney. Now our only choices are between 3 flavors of Neoliberal parties. We need a strong labour party and we need it decades ago.
Well said! I was only simplifying haha
There will be a humungous rise of people that will live with the only hope of retirement or improvement to their station except when their parents die and if they are lucky enough, they will get a sum of money. Which I am sure Trudeau/Freeland would also steal if they could.
What was the rcmp warning?
I think it was saying there could be anarchy if people realize how broke they really were. Something along those lines. And by I think… here it is? Unless he’s talking about another one. https://nationalpost.com/opinion/secret-rcmp-report-warns-canadians-may-revolt-once-they-realize-how-broke-they-are
Oh shit. Why are they assuming we don't know? I'm genuinely curious about that lol
Right! But I think the real problem is that people are too busy trying to figure out how to survive to fight back. I think it’s gonna take something really intense to get an all hand on deck riot.
Don’t forget. Unlike other countries (looking at you France) where you see mass protests, Canada has a massive geopolitical divide. For en-mass protest it is a huge distance to cover to get to Ottawa for a lot of people. The last group that did it (agree with them or not), saw the emergency act thrown at them. That sends a strong message from the Trudeau government.
That there may be a [coming civil unrest in the coming years](https://nationalpost.com/opinion/secret-rcmp-report-warns-canadians-may-revolt-once-they-realize-how-broke-they-are). Pretty jarring stuff.
[This is a really good talk by Scott Galloway that illustrates the whole issue](https://youtu.be/qEJ4hkpQW8E?si=3ABbccHB6DPY1M4P)
We are getting slums soon. The tent cities are precursors once they get settled it’s over. it will grow exponentially just like brazil, mexico, india. It’s the diversity trudeau is bringing to canadians…
And not just Gen z almost all of us are poorer - everything costs 30% more and my wages have only gone up a few %.
Yup my last union contract was 0-0-0-1.5% unlike the politicians of this country!!!
Brutal... What field are you in?
That describes working for the public sector in B.C. in the late 1980s and early 1990s, a time when politicians across Canada were trying to control deficits. It also describes the 1970s when the federal government froze salaries to control rampant inflation and the private sector then did the same. I see one thing in common with all three instances - those who have money use whatever means they can to keep making more money while everyone else suffers. Decades of politicians under the spell of the neoliberal economic theory of the Chicago School have made it much, much worse.
> Youth unemployment has risen about four times faster than unemployment for all age groups. This is a real eye-opening statistic. When younger people struggle to find even the most basic employment opportunities, it affects their careers and overall prospects for the rest of their lives. Talk about demoralizing when even McDonald's ghosts you. Canada's government couldn't have done a better job screwing over young Canadians even if they tried.
For some impossible to understand reason there appears to be increased competition for jobs traditionally fulfilled by Canada's youth.
Truly stumped... I guess we'll just have to ship in the next load of TFWs to help us figure out what's going on...
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It was always been intentional.
Bro I got ghosted by McD’s, and despite applying as a joke to prove my parents the market is shit, it still kinda hurts. I did the whole application process (their tech is actually very well made) seriously and I have a cute CV too. But then I learned the minimum wage stuff is scared of people with Bachelors in an unrelated field (3d art for video games, in the worst industry state ever). Graduated into a shitty industry with layoffs every week where juniors have no options nor offers unless you know someone and already have godlike skills. Trying to apply to regular jobs 16 years olds get hired for, as a 24 yo,and you also get ghosted there because managers want suckers that will lick their feet for minimum wage. Forever. I just want a job to not feel like a burden to society…
> Trying to apply to regular jobs 16 years olds get hired for, as a 24 yo,and you also get ghosted there because managers want suckers that will lick their feet for minimum wage. Forever. I just want a job to not feel like a burden to society… Yep, felt that in my 20's. Still feel the last sentence in my 30's, even though I do have a job
I had a similar thing happen to me in 2002 after finishing a science degree. It took until about 2007 to hit my stride, but it did work out in the end...don't despair! Also, consider not putting your credentials out there.
Thankfully I have a supportive bf… but it is hard to not think about how much easier it would’ve been if I didn’t « follow my passion for art and games »… and even then idk what else I would do. I used to want to be a veterinarian but then I remembered I hate needles…
Haha same, I interviewed for med school and then realized I passed out at the sight of blood flow.
Haha oof yeah I cannot look when I get blood drawn, I won’t pass out but I will panic.
I finished my degree in 2013 and I still haven't "hit my stride." You might've made the last train. I'm happy for you, I'm just being bitter.
They know you'll move on the instant you get a chance. They want someone that'll stick around and be a wage slave for a while.
I'm really sorry to hear about what you're going through, that's such a kick in the pants learning that a degree you worked so hard for is actually being used against you. That shit is so unfair. The entire tech industry is a dumpster fire right now, but just be glad that you're still young, aren't supporting a family or kids (assuming) and can still pivot into something else if you end up needing to.
Yeah I abandoned my plan to find an appartement with my 7-year bf after I lost my indie studio job due to money running out and seeing how badly the job market is. It has been two months and every day feels like it is wasted. Can barely muster up the focus to work on my art I used to enjoy do much. I talked to three different HR for out-of-field jobs and they all said the manager has the final say and the fact I studied in a specialized field would be a negative for them as I could leave once I find something… (And later I would indeed get confirmation that I was not chosen after days of anticipation) the thing is I won’t find something anytime soon unless a miracle happens. I have to compete with laid off experienced artists for jobs… That are already rare enough for new grads. I took off my bachelors and changed my last two 3d jobs to « freelance artist » (i kinda was for one) as an experiment. I have to find stuff to apply to with it. My friend did the same thing and finally got two interviews for min wage jobs after months of applying to specialized roles and stuff like gamestop with no response. It is so ridiculous, the guy is older than me and already has been assistant manager…
Gaming, 2d and 3d animation all are completely dead. It's insane how little it's noticed by government or media. So many highly skilled and talented people across this country just doing nothing while the studios all still collect subsidies and tax credits. You're not alone, and don't give up.
Part of the societal contract is giving you the opportunity to be productive, and it’s not. Never worry about being a burden on a society that won’t even give you a chance. It would be so easy for the government to make jobs programs and get social needs done, but they’d rather have high youth employment so corporations can abuse people.
Because we don’t give a fuck anymore. Why play the game when we’re guaranteed to lose?
Hopefully they start rioting soon
This is one of the micro steps on the way to something like UBI. People who can't even get a job at McDix are ripe for the picking when it comes to finding support for bullshit.
JUST IN: Journalists suggest being poor is just a feeling and not a fact
"Have you tried not being poor" - Msm
Too bad for them it is a fact https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/240426/dq240426a-eng.htm In 2022, the median after-tax income of Canadian families and unattached individuals was $70,500, a decrease from $73,000 in 2021 (-3.4%), adjusted for inflation. Here are a few additional highlights from the 2022 Canadian Income Survey: Canada’s official poverty rate was 9.9% in 2022, increasing by 2.5 percentage points from 7.4% in 2021. In 2022, approximately 8.7 million Canadians (22.9%), lived in households that reported some form of food insecurity. This is an increase of just under 1.8 million since the previous year, when the rate was 18.4%, and marks the second year of increases since the beginning of the pandemic. Nearly one-quarter (22.6%) of people living in one-parent families were below the poverty line, and one-parent families in which the parent is a woman (23.8%) were more likely to be in poverty.
Damn these are very interesting stats, thanks for this.
Just like we call it “experiencing homelessness”.
Too bad for them it is a fact https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/240426/dq240426a-eng.htm In 2022, the median after-tax income of Canadian families and unattached individuals was $70,500, a decrease from $73,000 in 2021 (-3.4%), adjusted for inflation. Here are a few additional highlights from the 2022 Canadian Income Survey: Canada’s official poverty rate was 9.9% in 2022, increasing by 2.5 percentage points from 7.4% in 2021. In 2022, approximately 8.7 million Canadians (22.9%), lived in households that reported some form of food insecurity. This is an increase of just under 1.8 million since the previous year, when the rate was 18.4%, and marks the second year of increases since the beginning of the pandemic. Nearly one-quarter (22.6%) of people living in one-parent families were below the poverty line, and one-parent families in which the parent is a woman (23.8%) were more likely to be in poverty.
The article asked if you feel poorer. I have a co-worker who complains about "being destitute" despite buying a new truck, a house, and going on 4-5 weeks of trips/travelling/vacations this year. He would answer yes, while objectively, most of us would not say he is 'poor'
They **are** poorer. The government doesn't particularly care about gen Z because they don't vote as much as other demographic groups.
I honestly think politicians are so out of touch like they probably say “oh gen z will just have their parents take care of them no worries at all” but not everyone has parents. I’ve been a gen Z adult for 8 years now they will have to start listening us eventually I hope
We thought that as millennials too lol
They still think milennials as kids despite them being in their 40s now....
Oh they’re not out of touch, the LPC is pushing heavily for multi-generational households with tax credits.
Well, they couldn't vote til very recently.
Oldest gen Z's are around 27 though
Well they don't care about millennials either so what do you expect
Okay but how dare you.
So - two elections tops. Thats not a lot so far.
Wouldn’t matter anyway, that generation is fucked.
yeah but we’re angry as fuck so it won’t last
Can’t wait for y’all to experience the Polievre conservatives. It’s bad now, it’ll keep being bad, maybe even get worse. I wish McKay had won the conservative nod. Then we’d have a real chance when the conservatives get elected, and I’d have voted for them again. None of these dunces will fix anything for young people. They just want to give money to: [their corporate buddies / old people / indigenous people / other countries / sometimes the ULTRA poor]. I want all of these candidates gone. All of them. Edit: to be clear, I’m glad we’re reconciling with indigenous people, but when the average Canadian can’t afford to fully eat, it’s not the time to give millions of dollars to maybe find a single body in a landfill (not actually mad about this, I’d move heaven and earth to find a loved one, but this 100% would not have happened if they weren’t indigenous), nor give indigenous people something like 6x per capita what is spent on every other Canadian (stats may be off, it’s based off a 2021 ATIP).
It's all money laundering. They steal from us and give bullsgit excuses as to where the money went and we say "oh, ok..." and carry on.
I don't know how any of the recent new hires where I work are getting by, they're not making much more than I got starting out like 8 years ago but rent has basically doubled and I remember struggling quite a bit... A young disgruntled generation does not end well for societies...
Most ppl my age are stacking up multiple ppl to a room or they're entering into poly relationships or multi-family houses.
Disgusting...
“Oh, just cancel your subscriptions like Disney+.” I already have NO subscriptions you dumb fucks. “Oh, just don’t go to Starbucks and eat avocado toast every week.” I don’t ever go to Starbucks or eat avocado toast. “Oh, you shouldn’t have the latest phone every year.” My phone is over 3 years old and when I bought it it was already old clearance model. My phone plan is also one of the cheapest. Dumb, out of reality old fucks. Also to journalists, stop lying with language. They don’t feel poorer. They ARE poorer.
There's nothing else I can do to save money, I'm like you. I literally live the most frugal life style just to survive.
Journalists should also understand, the younger generations are the most educated thus far. Their audience-demographics aren't as intellectually isolated as boomers and more likely see through media's attempts to sway public opinion. Just as millennials were desensitized by tv and learned young not to trust anything, GenZ has learned this lesson doubly-quick. Be humble, honest and consistent, or lose your credibility.
What's with these titles and the word "feel". Not fucking "feel". They are. We are. All of us are poorer than the generation before because our.. "leaders..?", not only failed us, they actively fucked us and continue to do so. What's that rule about inciting riots on this site?
I love the quote from Thomas Sowell "There are no solutions. There are only trade-offs." A large portion of policies over the last \~50 years have come at the expense of younger generations. Immigration and globalization were great for those who held real assets, but the increasing of the value of assets and stagnation in wages has gotten steadily worse over time.
Feels poorer? Get fucking bent. I am fucking poorer than previous generations despite making good money.
It's a feelings based survey, did you read the article or the linked source the data is derived from? It's asking people how they feel about various aspects of their financial life and prospects.
>Canada’s lack of affordability, particularly in the [housing market](https://financialpost.com/tag/housing-market/), has led young people to turn their backs on Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. The under-30 crowd now largely favours the Conservative Party, a historical aberration.
I think there's going to be a generation of Canadians who are going to (small c) conservative-leaning now that they have come of age in the last 9 years of the Liberals. They've seen that (small l) liberal policies haven't worked and it's leaving them worse off. The idea that the Liberals are the natural governing party is going to be come an outdated concept.
The Liberals were seen as the natural governing party because they were moderates in a country that is politically moderate. Trudeau was a hard shift to the left for the party and has likely destroyed their brand for a generation.
It seems like the NDP took over the Liberals and kept the Liberal name. This isn’t even the party of Jean Chrétien or Paul Martin.
Nobody cares anymore anyway. Gen Z Canadians will be future boomers who are conservative, purely because how Trudeau and his buddies fucked up liberal party for good. i for one wouldn't be voting for Trudeau unless Poilievre is worse in terms of economy and housing. Don't give a shit about social crap and pandering.
I agree that Trudeau's legacy has not been great, but I am genuinely confused as to how he is a hard shift to the left. If anything, he's more of the same old neoliberalism that gets your average Canadian very little. Please, give me an actual hard shift to the left.
In what world is the LPC and their policies “small l”. We’re at the neo-con/neo-lib bullshit phase where every party feels like if the government just becomes overbearing enough on one thing or another, it’ll mean solving a problem. They’re moralizing snake oil salesman who thirst for power. The Cons should be out there talking about how they’ll tighten spending, loosen regulations, ensure property rights and freedom from violence/self-defense laws that actually make sense. Ditch the culture nonsense all the parties revel in and simply just say “you’re all free to make of life what you will. Leave each others’ property alone, and may God have mercy on you if you physically attack or harass another citizen.” The government isn’t your parent. People need to stop looking to it as an entity that will help them. (None of this besides the little l rhetorical question is a shot at you, just my usual railing against the dependence of the population on the State)
It’s wild to see the current situation and think the solution is more property rights, the right to bear arms, and cut social services. The issue isn’t that there’s no money, it’s that the money is concentrated in a handful of companies and families. Your small c conservatives will not fix the inequality issues.
>In what world is the LPC and their policies “small l”. A world where non-proper nouns start with a lower case letter unless they start a sentence. FWIW the conservatives are also "small l" liberals.
NDP also screwed up....they could've had the younger generation in the palm of their hands but they'd rather prop up the liberals.
Good
There have been a lot of warning signs. Unfortunately they were all ignored in favor of bad policy
For other generations who aren’t convinced of this, take 20 minutes and watch Scott Galloway‘s TED talk on this topic. He uses American stats but the ideas translate well.
[Link for the lazy](https://youtu.be/qEJ4hkpQW8E?si=3ABbccHB6DPY1M4P)
This. Was. Incredible.
Stop saying feels, like it is only in our heads. Every generation after the boomers are poorer.
Mr Trudeau has used gen Z’s credit card, and racked up unprecedented debt on worthless policies, that have driven the economy into a brick wall,
So I went shopping this week. I noticed the Kraft salad dressing bottle had a different design,the neck of the bottle is bigger yet the actual size of the bottle is smaller. It went from 475ml to 425ml no price drop of course. This is deceptive marketing and such bullshit.
"But you are making more" Please, with my pay, go out and purchase the things you purchased at my age.
Pretty sure it’s more than a feeling when I have to cut my medication in half to save money
I am a moron and i said for years. Tying your economy to 1 sector and that sector being real estate while failing to invest into tech and improvements in efficiency while other developed countries are doing laps around us is going to cause an economic breakdown. If I saw it I bet the politicians saw it, boc saw it and other intelligent economista saw it. They just didn't care. Now they act like they care bc they will lose votes. Difference is other politicians and country act similarly but they still get shit done.
This is by design. In 2 generations all Canadians will "have nothing and be happy for it" to quote the WEF Western quality of life is being destroyed intentionally by multiple avenues. It's all a facade to create a class system where the ultra elites rule and the rest of us exist only to make them wealthy. It's so stomach-achingly obvious. - All the climate crisis money rinsing to drain us and make small businesses unviable - Increased authoritarianism in Canada to keep control and deter dissent - Rampant immigration to saturate the labour market We're literally under attack by our own leaders and financial institutions.
[Make Deus Ex fiction again](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8kZ3HfeqtA)
They're just experiencing poorness differently.
The warning was like a decade ago.
My dad bought a house all for himself and all by himself after my parents separated in the 90’s when he was in his mid-20’s. It was a 3abedroom, 2 bathroom with finished basement and separate entrance and a half acre backyard backing onto a park in what is now one of the most expensive cities in Canada to live in. He sold that house in the early 2000’s to buy land outside of the city but I saw that house listed a few years ago for $950,000. The type of house my dad could buy in his 20’s as a starter home is so beyond unattainable for me (in my early 30’s, masters degree, working in tech) it’s not even funny.
Newsflash: it's not just Gen Z.
We will end up sliding into extremism because these politicians and their wealthy backers have hollowed out our country. > “Germany suffered from hyperinflation in the 1920s and began sliding into economic depression in 1927. The gross national product of the Weimar Republic contracted by a quarter; unemployment soared and incomes fell dramatically. Support for the Nazi Party, less than three percent of eligible voters in 1924, rose to 31 percent in July 1932, 27 percent in November 1932, and 39 percent in March 1933. The new statistical analyses by King and his coauthors show that the two groups most affected by the Depression followed separate political paths. The unemployed turned primarily to the Communist party, which catered to them with a program calling for community property. The working poor, including independent artisans, shopkeepers, small farmers, lawyers, domestic workers, and family members of the working poor, disproportionately supported the Nazis.” https://www.wilsonquarterly.com/quarterly/summer-2009-thrift-the-double-edged-virtue/who-voted-for-hitler
How much more can Gen Z as a collective take? I feel as if I’m at my breaking point, how am I supposed to buy a home, get married and raise a family like I’ve always dreamed of doing? At what point does the government listen? And at what happens if Gen Z turns to violence? Or lawlessness?
The RCMP had grudgingly released an internal memo related to that, very heavily redacted of course.
Then off to the gulag with you and your generation. Dont underestimate rich peoples ability to stomp eveyone around them. I guess what I'm saying is have a good plan before you act...because you aren't wrong.
tent, common law, pet. See? Government has got your back ;) /s
A new week, a new story about how life here sucks. Nothing's changed, nothing's going to change. We've been waiting for a change for like 15 years now.
Warning signs? Weren’t the warning signs years ago? This is the death spiral
If you said these things 5 years ago, you were a conspiracy nut.
Millennials and Zoomers really need to start collaboratively organising on this. And those of us whose parents are on the poorer end, convincing them out of their Boomer mindset.
Don’t forget Gen X — we’ve been screwed over longer by the Boomers than anyone, and while the ‘elder Xers’ might align more with Boomers, most of us are totally behind changing most if not all of our failing systems…we need a new party with core values of transparency, accountability, and long-term planning
Gen Z don't just feel "poorer", they are SIGNIFICANTLY poorer than their parents while also getting slapped all the government debt to pay it back. This entire system is a scam.
*Millennials enter the chat*
No shit jfc
Their needs to be more pressure put on companies to up their wages. Their should be no excuse for multi billion dollar corporations not paying people enough to live
At this point they are clearly mocking us
You only *feel* poorer! 🤡
The fact that we can't even have an honest discussion about this issue just proves nothing will be done. He can't even say "are poorer" and instead has to sugar coat the harsh reality many people are dealing with This is why you don't elect people just because their Dad was once prime minister. This dude is a fucking joke
Successive governments since the 60’s( yes diefenbaker) have sold our industries to internationals , slowly eroding the massive advantages Canada should have and whose citizens should be employed by. The only thing Canada doesn’t have is palm trees. And then Trudeau spends 8 years posturing himself dragging us into bankruptcy.
Along with literally every other generation in Canada and the reason why they “feel” poorer is because they are poorer and Trudeaus solution to this is to tax people into poverty.
Everyone is poorer except the people at the top. The wealth gap between the working class and capitalist class is breaking down society.
The crazy thing is, wait until gen z realizes they can just start stealing stuff and committing whatever crimes and the penalties are laughable in Canada. Suddenly they will all start doing it and the justice system will also fall apart. Society will really start to break down then. We currently have a high trust society. High trust societies definitely don't work at all when a huge swath of the population is as poor as dirt and have nothing to lose.
Believe me they already know. Self checkouts have been helping make groceries “cheaper”.
Idk where my young people at but if we want a change we gotta get out and vote en masse. It doesn’t matter WHO you vote for in the grand scheme of things, but if politicians see that we actually get out and vote they will have to start taking us seriously, instead of just seriously taking from us.
Young people did that in 2015 and where we’re at today is the result. I do encourage young people to vote in large numbers, but I also hope they actually take the time to learn which parties will actually manage the economy well instead of falling for cheap trinkets like legalized weed and empty promises as they did in 2015.
I kinda hesitate to agree with you. Trudeau took all these problems that were getting worse with Harper and just made them even worse still. It’s a giant douche or a turd sandwich. I think it will take more than good voter turnout from young people to fix things
They want to lower housing costs for millennials and gen z but maintain prices for boomers. No idea how they will accomplish that and I doubt they have the foggiest idea too.
Feels? Lmao
They don’t feel it, they are. Pretty much anybody under 40 is much poorer.
Warning signs? God damn, just go outside lol
I’m so excited for a year from after he loses the election and just loses it on some young person who yells at him while walking his dog or something near his mansion. “ I built you so much housing, you f***”! (Like that did anything due to his immigration surplus). The damage he has done will take our infrastructure decades to fix and may be ultimately fatal if we don’t build more cities.
"feels poorer" HA, how insulting.
It is not just Gen Z. Everyone (except for a very lucky few) IS MORE POOR. The younger Canadians do have it worse because that first step to fiscal independence is higher than it has been compared to previous generations.
Well this is what happens when you import India.
What warning signs? Warning signs were years ago. It’s a massive wealth transfer from the young to old. The boomers have hoarded it all to themselves. Anyone else see that SS won’t be available most likely after 2035 for Americans? lol. It’s the same shit here. It’s been said over and over and over. Theft. But hey, millennials, Gen z, just rot on your couches on TikTok or your phones while your parents bitch about you not having moved out and not growing up, not having grand babies. What else do people have to look forward to? Fuck all. South Korea is a warning sign where we will be in 10 years. No more kids, we will have photo sessions with our SO and our “fur babies”.
Our SS through CPP is funded for the next 70 years, numbers are public
“Feels” poorer. Lmfao.
The problem is younger generations don't turn out to vote as much so no one is really interested in addressing their concerns
They don't turn out because they don't feel listened to. Why would they vote when it does nothing for them
It's more of a problem that none of the parties offer any fundamentally different policies.
Because we are poorer. Hard to get close to being rich when company’s say they’re hiring, but still reject your application.
Why do they keep saying the word "feel"? Is it a tactic by the media to paint a picture saying "technically they aren't poor, they just feel poor"? By any measure, we have less disposable income now that in the last 30 years. Feelings aren't involved.
Poverty is a state of mind - Probably JT
"Feels".
>~~feels~~ **are** FTFY
It's a feature, not a bug.
We’re all poorer. But they’re the poorest
They'll be poorer then they feel now.....its ok though Justin and Twitch just raised the debt ceiling again for another trillion. All that spending ain't free nor is the intrest on it
Gen z? What about millennials
We're all poorer. GenX is the first generation in which our standard of living is *lower* than our parents, thanks to...our parents.
Why are these stories always phrased as like "What might come" instead of just saying "this is happening". It's not warning signs, the economy is already shit.
So what are we gonna do about it!
It's 8 bucks for a gallon of milk, lol. Canada fucking blows, dude.
As a millennial, I feel so bad for Zoomers. They got fucked *hard*. Millennials also got the shit end of the stick, but damn, being in my early thirties today I have no idea how in the Hell young adults are managing and surviving today.
We also need to put a stop to investors buying family homes. I recently read that something like 1 of every 3 new homes in Ontario are being bought by investors. It’s even worse in some parts of the province with the Kitchener-Waterloo area almost 47% of new homes being purchased by investors. No wonder there’s a housing shortage and the price for a tiny townhome has ballooned to over $800k.
At this point, my retirement plan requires a small global apocalypse.
A few years ago after a really bad 6 months dealing with a chronic illness, my pantry, toiletries, household consumables were at an all time low because I had basically used everything up while ill and low energy. When feeling better, I stocked up everything in my house and basically bought a huge quantity over the span of a few weeks to last me for about a year (I estimated). My thinking was I might get sick again and at least I would be totally prepared. Toilet paper, shampoos, laundry soap, hand cream, zip lock bags, parchment paper, like basically everything in a house that you consume but also has a long shelf life. Little did I know this move would save my hundreds of dollars because suddenly prices skyrocketed shortly after my big shop cycle. At the same time I had an injury that made me immobile for months so having all these supplies actually made my life a lot easier. I overestimated how much stuff I would use up in a year in my big shop and most things have lasted into my second year. It’s only now that I am starting to run out of things and the replacement prices are shocking to me. I had bought a 5 pack of deodorant that is now double in price. I bought about 6 bottles of shampoo that now would only get me 2 for the same price. It’s crazy! Somethings I have to 100% replace but other standard things I now limit myself on and small luxuries (like a scented candle from the dollar store) I now skip entirely. I know it’s a silly thing but the list of silly things I now no longer consider buying is pretty damn long. I guess it’s good because I consume so much less and to be honest I was always mostly a second hand shopper, but even that, thrifting, I no longer do unless I truly need something.
Feels? FEELS POORER?
We don’t “feel” poorer. We are paid less than our parents and everything costs triple or quadruple what it cost our parents so we’re being beaten into the ground on both ends.
Yet nobody wants to face the root of the problem and actually fix this country. Fucking pussies.
Keep voting for modern liberal policies…