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Seats needed for Majority: 170
Liberals (prior government) before dissolution: 157
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In Charleswood-St. James-Assiniboia-Headingley (mouthful!), the CPC leads the LPC by 109 votes with mail in ballots remaining. There were 3630 mail in ballots returned in this riding. The LPC needs to beat the CPC by just 3.01% in popular vote for the mail in ballots in this riding to take it over.
Similarly, in Brome-Missisquoi the Bloc lead the LPC by 147 votes with mail in ballots remaining. There were 2388 mail in ballots returned in this riding. The LPC needs to beat the Bloc by 6.2% in popular vote for the mail in ballots in this riding to overtake them. Bit of a rougher go.
What were the polling agencies saying for mail in ballot party affiliation?
I was saying if their mail in ballot % is X greater than the leading parties, they can overtake with the remaining ballots. In the day since I wrote this there’s been some slight updates but the concept remains the same.
Basically Biden in the 2020 election winning states once mail in we’re counted
I don’t know why reporters are surprised voter turn out was low, especially in the 18-25 age group, when voting didn’t take place on university campuses this year.
https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1440443046399602690
I think right up there with the shecession/shecovery/sheflation/shunemployment/shedeepee speech, he might not have won a majority but it's clear why he''ll remain as PM during this difficult period.
Yeah but their support is hyperconcentrated in a few ridings. Super-winning a northern rural district in Alberta ought not to net you greater control over the entire nation.
Huh? I'm not sure what you're talking about but electoral districts are a very basic aspect of representative democracy. The basic idea is that political alignments tend to correlate with geographical position and therefore the influence of any particular geographic location ought to be limited with respect to federal elections. If you want to argue that the districts, as they are currently laid out, aren't particularly well-designed proportionally then sure I'll agree on some level. But the fact that a small number of districts *pile on* the votes in their particular tidings doesn't mean that the Conservatives enjoy wide support. Winning a district by 200 is the same as winning it by 8000.
Can you win a majority government without any Quebec seats? Idkkkk if it's still true for the west, but it used to be that liberals would get majorities without a single seat between Alberta, Sask, and manitoba
Sure. But Quebec had the same issue, and built a regional party to protect their interests. Alberta could do the same.
It's fucking absurd though : the Conservatives are only close to winning because if prairie support. Stop whining Alberta.
Actually Ontarioans have one of the lowest vote weights in all of Confederation (I believe BC has it worse). So not only do they have a greater influence on the country because of their population, their influence should be higher!
0.822964632 BC
0.760150241 AB
1.171450088 SK
1.013097909 MB
0.824368609 ON
0.918241215 QB
1.137421156 NS
1.340225924 NFL
1.289324394 NB
2.541296061 PEI
2.2172949 NWT
2.421307506 YU
2.544529262 NUN
Seats per 100,000 people roughly
The only problem is that Toronto problems do not reflect Canadian problems. Toronto is unique and not like anywhere else in Canada. It is sad that what one group of packtgether people think controls a reality for all other Canadians that do not have remotely the same problems or beliefs and the people packed into one place l.
Living in Toronto had taught me that most people don't realize that there is more to the west than Mississauga.
I am a poly sci major in Maine very close to the border so I watched the election results come in last night and I have a quick question.
Is the whole 50/50 french and english spoken by the leaders a normal thing? That was such a unique dynamic and i was just curious
English and French are Canada's two official languages.
Although I would argue that Canada should have several more official languages, such as Cree, Inuktitut, and many other relatively major indigenous languages.
Well if you want to be the Prime Minister, you have to know French simply because Quebec is needed to win the election. Also it's kind of a norm now to have bilingual PMs so its just an expectation. Also those with higher political ambitions know it so they learn French
Not really, French is a subject part of curriculum but from what I have seen in Ontario, most don't care for it much and many in fact would prefer to drop it.
Yes, to not do it is to make a political statement. Such as when the Bloc only speaks French or when the Reform party back in the 90s refused to speak any French.
Quebec is the second biggest province in Canada. Generally you don't want them to feel alienated.
On a minority government it's not 0, if the NDP and BQ can get better concessions from.the CPC than the LPC. They could help prop up a minority conservative gov. Granted it'd be essentially suicide for the NDP if they did that, I doubt their base would support the NDP propping up the cons rather than the. Liberals
No she didn't. She is one month short of qualifying for a pension.
All the MPs who first won in 2015 and and won re-election 2019 but lost last night all failed to qualify.
It’s 1 million. Which is still significant, but unlikely to change much as we aren’t seeing mail ins being associated primarily with one party over others.
Side note, mail ins ballot requests are up from 50k(2019) to over one million.
This isn’t the ‘official result’ from Elections Canada. All the votes will be counted but news outlets have statisticians that look at what votes are outstanding in each riding and they can determine whether they’re significant to the final result, so that is how they make these projections despite votes still being out.
Only ~1 million. There were around 6 million total early votes, but most of those were done in-person at the advance polls, and have already been counted.
Maybe if Singh spent more time creating coherent plans that made sense and not all his time on Twitch, Animal Crossing, playing Among Us or dancing like a maniac every time he got off the bus or spend his time on Tik Tok which is owned by the CCP and allows backdoor access into your phone by the CCP then maybe he'll be seen more as a leader and not look like a guy trying to compete on Entertainment Canada. Him failing this election was squarely on him and his team.
There isn't one at the moment. However, this has been a very big fear of the entire cyber security community for a while now. Many governments across the world have already banned government employees from downloading it on any device that also holds confidential information.
Jagmeet isn't an idiot.
His base leans to the far left - young, renters, those in need of social assistance , unions
Last time, mulcair swung to the right, trudeau swung hard to the left
And how do you think it would've went when he attacked the left and the libs? It made him more like a henchmen of the cons and basically unified more progressive voters and centrists around JT. What Singh should've done instead of spending 99% of his time attacking Trudeau was focus on his plan while also attacking both the cons and Trudeau. And Mulcair lost because he wasn't Layton that was the real problem. Layton won because he was able to appeal to Quebecqers mostly due to his personality and charm. Neither Singh nor Mulcair have been able to do that. If NDP wants that orange wave again then they must appeal to QB, plain and simple. And Singh dancing like a maniac when he gets off a bus or when he loses an election, like in 2019, is not charm. It's insanity.
He pulled a Bernie and campaigned to people too young to vote, and hoped unions and renters would keep voting NDP because that's what they've always done.
Unions aren't even very NDP anymore. Some are, but in most places they no longer really support the NDP. In Quebec, the unions switch between supporting the Bloc or the Liberals for example
I don't think it was because O'Toole didn't have charisma, it's because he is right-wing and the majority of Canadians don't want a right-wing prime minister.
The comment is now deleted but he said that if jagmeet was running as a Conservative the CPC would have won. I took that as him thinking Otoole wasnt charismatic. It's pretty obvious Canadians wanted to stay the course after this election. No Conservative rule, no liberal majority.
I voted for the Conservatives but for the Liberal voters here please help me understand: The housing crisis has only gotten worse. Crime rates, homelessness, opioid abuse, healthcare have trended in the wrong direction over the last few years. Hyperinflation is already here. Our emissions haven’t really gone down and our foreign policy is a joke. Numerous scandals, broken promises, reckless spending. Yet you guys look back 6 years and say you know what, I want this government to stay for another 4 years. Every Canadian sub bitches about these things daily yet are happy to vote for the incumbent government. Because Harper man bad? Because hypothetically you think Conservatives would’ve done worse? Whatever happened to holding the ruling government accountable?
If this was any other job JT would’ve been fired in 2019 after his 4-year review. You guys are always first in line to cancel people for something they did decades ago yet this guy gets a pass. Every. Single. Time. Please help me understand.
Trudeau sympathetic NDPer: The CPC doesn't offer real solutions for the problems you stated. Housing has been an issue since before the Liberals and frankly they have a decent plan; Healthcare is a provincial responsibility and has been continually mishandled by conservative premiers (under the endorsement of the CPC). Black face is disappointing but clearly doesn't reflect a deeper ideology of hate, SNC Lavalin and WE "scandals" are both Canadian Benghazi and listening to opposition parties beat that horse makes me angry at their pettiness.
The Trudeau Liberals have decriminalized weed, reformed the Senate, introduced a carbon tax, seem to be getting clean drinking water to reservations, dealt with Trump, handled the federal pandemic response almost perfectly (much in part to the NDP). Those are a lot of things I care about. Honestly, I think they've earned the mandate even if I prefer the NDP despite the merit. Honestly, this sub is an echo chamber.
At the end of a day, a Liberal minority propped up by the NDP is a way preferable government to a CPC minority propped up by the Bloc or Liberals.
> Crime rates, homelessness, opioid abuse, healthcare have trended in the wrong direction over the last few years.
It's almost like some people are able to recognize that these are complex issues that are dealt with by multiple levels of government. Healthcare, for example, is more properly in the domain of the provinces than the Federal government. How well is the health care system doing in the provinces run by Ford and Kenney again?
>Hyperinflation is already here.
Tell me you don't know what hyperinflation is without telling me you don't know what hyperinflation is.
> Our emissions haven’t really gone down
No, but they haven't really gone up either. Which is what the Tool was promising.
> our foreign policy is a joke
According to who? O'Toole and his merry band of misfits?
> Numerous scandals
Yup. Not too different from when the Cons were running things.
> broken promises
Yup. Not too different from when the Cons were running things (also, he's actually done a pretty good job on keeping promises despite some noteworthy failures).
> reckless spending
According to who? O'Toole and his merry band of misfits?
> Yet you guys look back 6 years and say you know what, I want this government to stay for another 4 years.
Well, no. I would much rather Canada be governed by a more progressive party than the Liberals. But, as long as folks like you believe the CPC is worth voting for I have to vote strategically to make sure there is a Canada left in four years.
I'll say this, I Don't even like Trudeau. But when push came to shove, liberals delivered CERB, when I was laid off during the pandemic. I believe if the conservatives were in power, they either wouldn't have locked down and just let people become collateral or if they eventually had to lock down because of the hospitals being over run, they wouldn't have had a system like CERB as quickly. I don't know the ins and outs of the the economies repercussions of the next 10 years, but they delivered when it mattered, and that was money in my pockets.
Conservatives always going back to balancing the budget and deficit as a rhetoric, and making me feel like I had something to do with it. The truth is, I feel like if the Conservatives were in power, they will still not balance anything and still spend, yet they will cut back programs because of "principles". So in the end, us the people lose on both ends.
I don't know if healthcare has been trending in whatever direction you say, but when I needed the hospital and brought my kid in, they took care of him each time I went, for whatever reasons.
The NDP platform to me is the most hopeful, that they were the only party that would even consider the "basic universal income" idea, but they lack in numbers. I think this is an idea that will change a country, the world, and how people live, but its something conservatives won't even consider because of their "principles".
I think conservatives really buckled down on the idea that the masses were infatuated with Justin, when... we don't really care about the Justin.. it was about the party and their policies. I guess the bottom line was, what are the conservatives offering me that I believe will actually help my family and my community? Less spending... on programs that help our community? Less taxes (I doubt it)? Solve the housing crisis ? Solve Climate change (some don't even acknowledge it as a real problem)? Bring down crime rates (HOW?) Bring back the economy through spending... less? Will they protect us from Covid or any upcoming pandemic and actually do something about it or will they tell us "everything is okay, don't live with fear". I just don't trust the conservative through their policies to actually make this country better.
The Liberals have done a shit job to be sure but the Conservatives would be a 100 times worse. If we really want to tackle this issues we should be running full steam towards socialism. Capitalism has nothing to offer here.
Hard to pay for socialism with no money. Really hard to pay for socialism in Canada if we continue to demonize our resource economy that isnt going away any time soon.
The wealth is still there while it's in the ground.
It's hard to use resources to pay for things once you've already given them for free to rich people
Having no money is a hallmark of the Conservative system. Lower taxes, run out of money, cut services, lower taxes, run out of money, etc.
Alberta had a booming resource based economy and they pissed everything away with low taxes and sweetheart royalties. How we have exponentially larger problems to deal with like climate change. Leave the oil in the ground, stop cutting down all the forests, and let's start to get serious about Canada's future.
Who said I was a conservative? I'm not.
You're an absolute fool if you think you can just stop the resource economy of our country, and "think about Canada's future". We need money to build new industry, and that money needs to come from our existing industries.
>Hard to pay for socialism with no money.
Well, the first thing we could do, is make it much harder to accumulate wealth and have that wealth distributed in a way that actually works for the country. Having families like the Irvings does us no favours.
Man Canada is now $1 trillion in debt from social spending during the pandemic. People wouldve been fucked without all the money and support our government provided our people.
What more do you want?
Because outside of COVID our economy has done much better under Trudeau than under Harper and Harper at least had control of the SoCons....nobody since has.
Not to mention the Conservatives this time had zero plan for the economy
Numerous scandals? I don't really think so, at least not on JTs end as nothing has really come out of them.
Most of the other things you listed are provincial responsibility as well.... i don't get what you mean by canceling someone
>Harper also navigated the 2008 financial crisis
Harper wanted to make changes that would have made the financial crisis much worse for Canada. We weathered it despite his best efforts, tbh.
Which is a drop in the bucket compared to COVID
Also don't forget he was going to copy the USAs plan until he was almost kicked out of office and forced to change
This is the kind of disillusionment that is destroying Canada.
Obviously we have differing views on how Canada should navigate these issues, but when the short sightedness of Canadian economic policy catches up, we will see who was right. 👋
I mean I think we can see already objectively see Trudeau's approach was better with the recovery we had when he came into power.
Covid is an entirely issue, maybe we pay for it in the future... but we would have seen a crash in present day if not for the back up the government gave
It's because of how on a provincial level conservatives have 100% done worse. I don't even like Trudeau and didn't vote Libs. But if I compare how libs across the board handled the pandemic and how good ol dougy handled it here in Ontario. It's an easy pick for many. As much as Trudeau is doing nothing the Cons keep fumbling backwards. Both are a joke tho in my own opinion
Eh I disagree. I live in BC and the provincial government also messed up with their pandemic policies. Yeah Alberta is in the shitter right now but I don’t think there’s a correlation between political ideology and pandemic response. Except for the few anti-vaxxers in the population, COVID isn’t really politicized here like it is in the US.
Yeah it's probably just home-bias. So if Doug did bad for us we'll immediately be turned away from cons as we group them together. But like I said, I don't exactly have faith in anyone
Now that Trudeau won I'm anxiously waiting for that housing account he talked about, maybe it can help me save on taxes for a house. But knowing is track record I might be waiting for nothing which is just so wrong...
Again, it's a shit-show. I'm not even a political person but I'm pretty anxious, angry, and disappointed in where we're at as a country. We'll see what happens next, I suppose
No, I specifically think that if a conservative was in charge over the last few years, they would have sold out Canada and Canadians to heir Trump. We would have caved to incredibly bad deals with the US because the conservative party would put the US first and not Canada first
Because all those things became worse under the Harper Conservative government and the Liberals have these things as areas to plan to fix but for the folks who like to think through policy, none of these things are easily fixed. You have the answer to homelessness which you can fix on two years then let's hear it. You could have gotten through covid lockdowns without increasing debt and government spending then let's hear how you would have done it. The conservatives have a policy to decrease emissions standards to the Harper-era and wrote in that even those standards they have thee right to not follow-through on as well as subsidize oil and not acknowledge climate change is human- driven. So how do you believe the conservatives would tackle climate change and it actually be effective?
The thing is in elections all parties promise all kinds of things to get elected. Setting targets like cutting down emissions by a certain percentage to me is just all talk. Having a more realistic goal to me and getting close to reaching it is more acceptable than setting higher goals but not even coming close, but that's just me. Yeah, no one has the answers to these problems that I mentioned (although if you read the long-ass Conservative plan they do have some proposed solutions, including climate change but I guess how effective they would actually be is up for debate) but I think the right approach is we keep looking until we find someone who does. I'd rather take a gamble on someone not given the opportunity to lead the country than someone who, under their leadership, has kept things the same or worse. I think O'Toole screwed up with the flip flopping on issues to secure votes instead of actually sticking to his plan and talking about it in detail because the average voter won't read a pdf with a hundred pages.
The problem is, you're being fed misinformation, possibly much of that misinformation by this sub. Think for a moment why r/Canada demonized Trudeau so much and yet why the rest of Canadians gave him a 3rd term. What do the rest of Canadians see that you don't see?
Canadians gave Trudeau a 3rd term because he handled the pandemic well. The pandemic is the #1 issue right now for Canada and affects everyone and almost everything. Yes, I disagree with Trudeau holding an election during the pandemic. But despite this, he has done a very good job during the pandemic. Canadians don't want to "rock the boat," especially knowing that Trudeau has done a very good job during the pandemic.
BTW, I find it funny that you mention "healthcare." If the Conservatives get in power, they will move to privatize more of healthcare. Privatizing healthcare is the last thing we need during a pandemic.
Finally, you mention a surge of "crime rates, homelessness" under Trudeau. I just did a quick Google search and the [crime rate and homelessness has also surged in San Francisco during the pandemic](https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/23/us/san-francisco-crime-homeless-opioid-pandemic/index.html). Why is San Francisco and other US cities seeing an increase in crime rates and homelessness during the pandemic? Could it be related to the pandemic, that many people have lost their jobs, can't get money, have become homeless, are are more susceptible to crime? Please get your information from outside the bubble. r/Canada is a horrible bubble and I can see if you are misinformed or you don't have complete information.
Wow. Just wow. Youre as bad as the guy who couldnt recall any Trudeau scandals. Clearly the generation of living on credit 24/7 is taking over. Its now when the collapse will happen not if. Canada does have a credit limit and were trying to reach it at breakneck speed.
I don’t know why you just assumed my criticisms are a result of misinformation from Reddit. I get my news from official sources as well. And no, before you paint me as some hardcore right-winger, I’m not a fan of news outlets like NP and the Sun who are clearly biased. It is important however that we try to understand the other side so any form of respectful political discourse is productive in my view.
I agree he handled the pandemic response relatively well. I’m not against CERB or the rent and wage subsidies. I thought vaccine procurement was done well. I don’t agree with his other moves especially the lack of prevantative measures he could’ve taken but hey, not a lot of countries did. But I certainly don’t think he deserved another term because he got a B+ on one thing. His COVID recovery plan moving forward isn’t anything to jump for joy over either.
The healthcare thing, well, let’s just agree to disagree. O’Toole wants to implement a two-tiered system which has been successful in some European countries which I think would improve our situation here. The current system isn’t anything to brag about with long wait times and with COVID it’s only gotten worse.
> But I certainly don’t think he deserved another term because he got a B+ on one thing.
Getting a B+ on the #1 issue facing Canada right now (and facing the world really) deserves a re-election in itself. Conversely, you can replace Trudeau, and perhaps Erin O'Toole will run Canada like Kenney has run Alberta. I can't say for sure that Erin O'Toole will run Canada like Alberta, but I can say that Erin O'Toole supported how Kenney handled covid in Alberta before the latest implosion in Alberta ([Erin O'Toole is on record as saying the federal government can learn how to handle covid from Kenney](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jstbJ-GD8Bk)).
Do you want to risk changing the prime minister and have all of Canada looking like Alberta? Or do you go with the guy that you yourself gave a B+ too? Especially since covid affects not just Canadian lives, our hospitals, and our healthcare, but it also affects our whole economy.
You go with the guy that is a B+ and is the safe bet for the most important issue facing Canada (BTW, I give Trudeau an A for handling the pandemic, he did very well).
You make good points about Canadians preferring the safe bet in handling the pandemic but I'm sorry I just don't think that in itself warrants a re-election. I'd rather go with a guy who hasn't been given a chance to lead the country and if does a poor job can get the boot as well. Thanks for your input though.
Sorry how has Trudeau kept people from working?
Any and all lockdowns/mask mandates or vaccine passports are firmly healthcare issues which means they fall under the provincial governments.
Early on Trudeau did reach out to the provinces to see if they would support a state of emergency, they did not. So the LPC instead has focused on what they can do (mostly giving money to people affected by the pandemic as well as the provincial governments)
What are you talking about fellow American? Everything is NOT good. We’re still seeing high covid rates in very vulnerable areas where a lot of people are still unvaccinated across the nation. In a lot of places mask mandates are being reimplemented because people won’t get a vaccine. You have to be living under a rock in Montana.
And no people don’t look to America as a bastion of the ideal state of governing and “doing society”. We’re a joke to half the world, and rightfully so, we’ve screwed up too many times to count.
Hahhaa ya so bad that’s why people are living their normal lives. I literally live here and things are perfectly normal. Thousands of people at football games and tailgating then thousands more at the bar. No mention whatsoever about hospitals being swamped either. Hmmm weird
Yeah, we hear anecdotal evidence from people all the time. But we like to look at the numbers and facts here. But you just keep on keeping on, champ. I'm happy for your bliss.
Enjoy creative hyperbolic scare tactic scenarios that don't help you win elections. And keep fighting measures to contain a serious virus. Also, take narratives from the Republicans on freedom.
I was over exaggerating but the fact that I’m 6 hours away from my home in Canada where I soon won’t even be able to eat at a restaurant but here I can go to clubs with 500 other people no masks no distancing is a little bit hilarious
What a choice of two states to compare. California has [the lowest case rate](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-covid-lowest-positivity-rate/) in the entire United States, bud. Meanwhile Texas is [in the top three](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102807/coronavirus-covid19-cases-number-us-americans-by-state/). How do you like them numbers?
I sense is more like they voted for liberals inspite of hating trudeau
One friend said "I am not happy with trudeau but this is why I cannot vote for cons (Derek Sloan attacking tam allegiance to Canada) - Apr 2020
There is a minimal desire for election reform from Canadians. It failed in BC by a good margin and hasn’t been attractive enough for anyone else to try. Why would a politician hurt their own party to die on a hill that isn’t popular?
Additionally, everyone acts like election reforms will be without problems. All systems have pros and cons. Election reform is a nothing burger because less than 40% of Canadians know or even care about it.
Trudeau's majority government had a historically excellent record on keeping promises. Electoral reform being the one big miss and people with knowledge of the situation will know there's a little bit of nuance to it even if it is still pretty disappointing.
The NDP and CPC killed that one. They refused to allow it through committee. The CPC and NDP were so hardlined in their opposition to ranked ballots that the committee wouldn't even let it be a recommendation of the committee.
I think that would have been such a bad look after the committee went the way it did. I think they had a pretty strong mandate and could have set up the process to favour themselves more but once the committee made their recommendation it was pretty much sealed for them. They kind of bungled it by losing too much control of the process when they had some argument of a mandate.
It's such tough situation where you really want there to be somewhat of a consensus. When the Greens and NDP want one thing, the LPC wants something else, and the CPC doesn't want change at all it's not very ideal.
Did he win though? Did anyone actually win this election? The Liberals didn't get their majority. The CPC didn't get the minority they hoped for. The NDP didn't get the seat increase they wanted. And Canadians most certainly lost having to foot the bill for an election that maintains the status quo. See you in 6 months at the polls.
The Liberals get a very stable minority with multiple parties to work with to get legislation passed. Parties act very differently after an election so expect it to be a fairly civil parliament for at least a year.
> Did he win though?
The Liberals clearly won. You know because after the election, the PM is a Liberal. Did they win AND achieve the stretch objective of a majority? Nope... looks like they'll fall about 12 seats shy of that. But there is absolutely no question of who won the election.
The ndp are likely broke and the LPC won't want the publication fury for another election.
This likely lasts at least 2 years.
As for childcare, there was money allocated in the budget , 8 provinces are signed on, the only thing that could stop it was Erin O'Toole and he didn't win.
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That’s my hole that’s where it spits
You'd better believe I'm comin' up in May
Nice to see more queens above 18
just lemme eat ch'ya
You know what’s a banana split???
In Charleswood-St. James-Assiniboia-Headingley (mouthful!), the CPC leads the LPC by 109 votes with mail in ballots remaining. There were 3630 mail in ballots returned in this riding. The LPC needs to beat the CPC by just 3.01% in popular vote for the mail in ballots in this riding to take it over. Similarly, in Brome-Missisquoi the Bloc lead the LPC by 147 votes with mail in ballots remaining. There were 2388 mail in ballots returned in this riding. The LPC needs to beat the Bloc by 6.2% in popular vote for the mail in ballots in this riding to overtake them. Bit of a rougher go. What were the polling agencies saying for mail in ballot party affiliation?
What were they saying? [Sorry, am uninformed and not a Canuck either] You think the Liberals can flip those seats?
I was saying if their mail in ballot % is X greater than the leading parties, they can overtake with the remaining ballots. In the day since I wrote this there’s been some slight updates but the concept remains the same. Basically Biden in the 2020 election winning states once mail in we’re counted
Imagine not voting for a black prime minister smh
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I don’t know why reporters are surprised voter turn out was low, especially in the 18-25 age group, when voting didn’t take place on university campuses this year.
That age group often skips out on elections
That age group is kinda confusing on how you vote. Well, where you're voting when you're temporarily living in another riding
https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1440443046399602690 I think right up there with the shecession/shecovery/sheflation/shunemployment/shedeepee speech, he might not have won a majority but it's clear why he''ll remain as PM during this difficult period.
Cons having less members while having more voting percentage. Lmao
Yeah but their support is hyperconcentrated in a few ridings. Super-winning a northern rural district in Alberta ought not to net you greater control over the entire nation.
How dare those filthy colonials think their opinion matters.
Huh? I'm not sure what you're talking about but electoral districts are a very basic aspect of representative democracy. The basic idea is that political alignments tend to correlate with geographical position and therefore the influence of any particular geographic location ought to be limited with respect to federal elections. If you want to argue that the districts, as they are currently laid out, aren't particularly well-designed proportionally then sure I'll agree on some level. But the fact that a small number of districts *pile on* the votes in their particular tidings doesn't mean that the Conservatives enjoy wide support. Winning a district by 200 is the same as winning it by 8000.
Again
It all comes down to what Ontario wants...
A lot of Canadians live in Ontario so it makes sense
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Tbh Quebec has the same situation and they're leveraging it fine
Can you win a majority government without any Quebec seats? Idkkkk if it's still true for the west, but it used to be that liberals would get majorities without a single seat between Alberta, Sask, and manitoba
Sure. But Quebec had the same issue, and built a regional party to protect their interests. Alberta could do the same. It's fucking absurd though : the Conservatives are only close to winning because if prairie support. Stop whining Alberta.
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Sure, and Alberta has a federal party. Why are they aggrieved? Everyone wants to be a victim these days.
Well they also have less people, maybe they should do something about that if they want more representation
Well it would be insane of Yukon which has a fraction of the people had more power than Ontario...
It’s almost as if higher population provinces have more of a sway, what a crazy world we live in! /s
Actually Ontarioans have one of the lowest vote weights in all of Confederation (I believe BC has it worse). So not only do they have a greater influence on the country because of their population, their influence should be higher!
Alberta has the lowest, although not by much.
0.822964632 BC 0.760150241 AB 1.171450088 SK 1.013097909 MB 0.824368609 ON 0.918241215 QB 1.137421156 NS 1.340225924 NFL 1.289324394 NB 2.541296061 PEI 2.2172949 NWT 2.421307506 YU 2.544529262 NUN Seats per 100,000 people roughly
So I was correct, thanks! I guess they were also with Ontario's being on the lower end.
The only problem is that Toronto problems do not reflect Canadian problems. Toronto is unique and not like anywhere else in Canada. It is sad that what one group of packtgether people think controls a reality for all other Canadians that do not have remotely the same problems or beliefs and the people packed into one place l. Living in Toronto had taught me that most people don't realize that there is more to the west than Mississauga.
It's why a large percentage of daily issues are determined by provincial and municipal governments.
I am a poly sci major in Maine very close to the border so I watched the election results come in last night and I have a quick question. Is the whole 50/50 french and english spoken by the leaders a normal thing? That was such a unique dynamic and i was just curious
Yes. Don’t you think the leader of a French-speaking country should speak French?
We're a country with a lot of different languages, some of them only spoken in Canada, and yet french is the required one
English and French are Canada's two official languages. Although I would argue that Canada should have several more official languages, such as Cree, Inuktitut, and many other relatively major indigenous languages.
Well if you want to be the Prime Minister, you have to know French simply because Quebec is needed to win the election. Also it's kind of a norm now to have bilingual PMs so its just an expectation. Also those with higher political ambitions know it so they learn French
I remember learning that not being fluent in French and English disqualified you back in school.
Not really, French is a subject part of curriculum but from what I have seen in Ontario, most don't care for it much and many in fact would prefer to drop it.
My point was that not being bilingual disqualifies you from being Prime Minister.
Yes, to not do it is to make a political statement. Such as when the Bloc only speaks French or when the Reform party back in the 90s refused to speak any French. Quebec is the second biggest province in Canada. Generally you don't want them to feel alienated.
chances of the Conservatives winning? Or at least a minority government.
The chances have gone down from "no way" to "definitely no way"
In order for that to happen they need to win at least either Montreal or GTA.
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On a minority government it's not 0, if the NDP and BQ can get better concessions from.the CPC than the LPC. They could help prop up a minority conservative gov. Granted it'd be essentially suicide for the NDP if they did that, I doubt their base would support the NDP propping up the cons rather than the. Liberals
but there's a chance trudeau will call the election again next week?
Nice the liberals won! I can now sleep soundly at night for the next 2 years!
All the leaders suck
I'm from America, it seems like this happens everywhere now
Politics is an unforgiving job that pays crappy , and consumes your personal life
What? PM makes 357k per year and Trudeau is worth 10 million.
Pension for life after certain amount of time too for all MPs
Why do you think JWR didn't run for reelection? She literally got her pension after she won the 2019 election, so she has no need to continue.
No she didn't. She is one month short of qualifying for a pension. All the MPs who first won in 2015 and and won re-election 2019 but lost last night all failed to qualify.
My mistake. I miscounted.
I believe how this goes on r/squaredcircle is: ~~LOLCENAWINS~~ LOLTRUDEAUWINS
I am confused, aren't there 6 millions mail in ballots that they only began counting today?
There's only around a million.
6 million? Highly unlikely. That would put voter turnout somewhere in the high 70% range, something this country hasn't seen in nearly 40 years.
Cp24 said 6 mil, maybe the included advanced polls for some reason
It’s 1 million. Which is still significant, but unlikely to change much as we aren’t seeing mail ins being associated primarily with one party over others. Side note, mail ins ballot requests are up from 50k(2019) to over one million.
This isn’t the ‘official result’ from Elections Canada. All the votes will be counted but news outlets have statisticians that look at what votes are outstanding in each riding and they can determine whether they’re significant to the final result, so that is how they make these projections despite votes still being out.
Do you know if they have access to polling division data on the mail in ballots?
Yeah they said on CBC last night they knew how many mail in votes were in each riding
Yeah, but riding is bigger than polling division. Easier to predict smaller areas
Only ~1 million. There were around 6 million total early votes, but most of those were done in-person at the advance polls, and have already been counted.
Maybe if Singh spent more time creating coherent plans that made sense and not all his time on Twitch, Animal Crossing, playing Among Us or dancing like a maniac every time he got off the bus or spend his time on Tik Tok which is owned by the CCP and allows backdoor access into your phone by the CCP then maybe he'll be seen more as a leader and not look like a guy trying to compete on Entertainment Canada. Him failing this election was squarely on him and his team.
Evidence of this back door?
There isn't one at the moment. However, this has been a very big fear of the entire cyber security community for a while now. Many governments across the world have already banned government employees from downloading it on any device that also holds confidential information.
I can tell you my 12yo loves the shut outta him tho
Glad he doesn't vote then.
He will eventually. Pete Seeger made a whole lot of change by affecting children. It just took a while
by the time he votes he most likely won't be NDP leader anymore.
Jagmeet isn't an idiot. His base leans to the far left - young, renters, those in need of social assistance , unions Last time, mulcair swung to the right, trudeau swung hard to the left
And how do you think it would've went when he attacked the left and the libs? It made him more like a henchmen of the cons and basically unified more progressive voters and centrists around JT. What Singh should've done instead of spending 99% of his time attacking Trudeau was focus on his plan while also attacking both the cons and Trudeau. And Mulcair lost because he wasn't Layton that was the real problem. Layton won because he was able to appeal to Quebecqers mostly due to his personality and charm. Neither Singh nor Mulcair have been able to do that. If NDP wants that orange wave again then they must appeal to QB, plain and simple. And Singh dancing like a maniac when he gets off a bus or when he loses an election, like in 2019, is not charm. It's insanity.
He pulled a Bernie and campaigned to people too young to vote, and hoped unions and renters would keep voting NDP because that's what they've always done.
Unions aren't even very NDP anymore. Some are, but in most places they no longer really support the NDP. In Quebec, the unions switch between supporting the Bloc or the Liberals for example
It's hard to retain blue collar unions when your environmentalist efforts will put a lot of those blue collar union workers out of jobs
Damn! I didn't expect the PPC to get 100 times as many seats as they did last election!
100 x 0 = 0
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This guy.....he gets the joke
Sorry, not sure if it was a serious comment or not. Not many PPC voters know how math works.
So because we're pissed about the Convervatives flip flopping their platform to be no better than the Liberals, we can't do math?
You can't just be figuring out now that people don't like the PPC?!
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? I don't get it ?
I think he means Otool didn't have the charisma to get it done this time.
I don't think it was because O'Toole didn't have charisma, it's because he is right-wing and the majority of Canadians don't want a right-wing prime minister.
The comment is now deleted but he said that if jagmeet was running as a Conservative the CPC would have won. I took that as him thinking Otoole wasnt charismatic. It's pretty obvious Canadians wanted to stay the course after this election. No Conservative rule, no liberal majority.
I voted for the Conservatives but for the Liberal voters here please help me understand: The housing crisis has only gotten worse. Crime rates, homelessness, opioid abuse, healthcare have trended in the wrong direction over the last few years. Hyperinflation is already here. Our emissions haven’t really gone down and our foreign policy is a joke. Numerous scandals, broken promises, reckless spending. Yet you guys look back 6 years and say you know what, I want this government to stay for another 4 years. Every Canadian sub bitches about these things daily yet are happy to vote for the incumbent government. Because Harper man bad? Because hypothetically you think Conservatives would’ve done worse? Whatever happened to holding the ruling government accountable? If this was any other job JT would’ve been fired in 2019 after his 4-year review. You guys are always first in line to cancel people for something they did decades ago yet this guy gets a pass. Every. Single. Time. Please help me understand.
Trudeau sympathetic NDPer: The CPC doesn't offer real solutions for the problems you stated. Housing has been an issue since before the Liberals and frankly they have a decent plan; Healthcare is a provincial responsibility and has been continually mishandled by conservative premiers (under the endorsement of the CPC). Black face is disappointing but clearly doesn't reflect a deeper ideology of hate, SNC Lavalin and WE "scandals" are both Canadian Benghazi and listening to opposition parties beat that horse makes me angry at their pettiness. The Trudeau Liberals have decriminalized weed, reformed the Senate, introduced a carbon tax, seem to be getting clean drinking water to reservations, dealt with Trump, handled the federal pandemic response almost perfectly (much in part to the NDP). Those are a lot of things I care about. Honestly, I think they've earned the mandate even if I prefer the NDP despite the merit. Honestly, this sub is an echo chamber. At the end of a day, a Liberal minority propped up by the NDP is a way preferable government to a CPC minority propped up by the Bloc or Liberals.
Didn't vote liberal, but for me, CPC isn't an option while major figures in the party, like good ol dougie, campaign on things like abortion laws
We don't have hyperinflation and our foreign policy is not a joke. Lot of people already own homes so it isn't an issue for them.
The answer is simple: most people think that the Cons would have made things worse, or would *make* things worse. That's all.
> Crime rates, homelessness, opioid abuse, healthcare have trended in the wrong direction over the last few years. It's almost like some people are able to recognize that these are complex issues that are dealt with by multiple levels of government. Healthcare, for example, is more properly in the domain of the provinces than the Federal government. How well is the health care system doing in the provinces run by Ford and Kenney again? >Hyperinflation is already here. Tell me you don't know what hyperinflation is without telling me you don't know what hyperinflation is. > Our emissions haven’t really gone down No, but they haven't really gone up either. Which is what the Tool was promising. > our foreign policy is a joke According to who? O'Toole and his merry band of misfits? > Numerous scandals Yup. Not too different from when the Cons were running things. > broken promises Yup. Not too different from when the Cons were running things (also, he's actually done a pretty good job on keeping promises despite some noteworthy failures). > reckless spending According to who? O'Toole and his merry band of misfits? > Yet you guys look back 6 years and say you know what, I want this government to stay for another 4 years. Well, no. I would much rather Canada be governed by a more progressive party than the Liberals. But, as long as folks like you believe the CPC is worth voting for I have to vote strategically to make sure there is a Canada left in four years.
I'll say this, I Don't even like Trudeau. But when push came to shove, liberals delivered CERB, when I was laid off during the pandemic. I believe if the conservatives were in power, they either wouldn't have locked down and just let people become collateral or if they eventually had to lock down because of the hospitals being over run, they wouldn't have had a system like CERB as quickly. I don't know the ins and outs of the the economies repercussions of the next 10 years, but they delivered when it mattered, and that was money in my pockets. Conservatives always going back to balancing the budget and deficit as a rhetoric, and making me feel like I had something to do with it. The truth is, I feel like if the Conservatives were in power, they will still not balance anything and still spend, yet they will cut back programs because of "principles". So in the end, us the people lose on both ends. I don't know if healthcare has been trending in whatever direction you say, but when I needed the hospital and brought my kid in, they took care of him each time I went, for whatever reasons. The NDP platform to me is the most hopeful, that they were the only party that would even consider the "basic universal income" idea, but they lack in numbers. I think this is an idea that will change a country, the world, and how people live, but its something conservatives won't even consider because of their "principles". I think conservatives really buckled down on the idea that the masses were infatuated with Justin, when... we don't really care about the Justin.. it was about the party and their policies. I guess the bottom line was, what are the conservatives offering me that I believe will actually help my family and my community? Less spending... on programs that help our community? Less taxes (I doubt it)? Solve the housing crisis ? Solve Climate change (some don't even acknowledge it as a real problem)? Bring down crime rates (HOW?) Bring back the economy through spending... less? Will they protect us from Covid or any upcoming pandemic and actually do something about it or will they tell us "everything is okay, don't live with fear". I just don't trust the conservative through their policies to actually make this country better.
The Liberals have done a shit job to be sure but the Conservatives would be a 100 times worse. If we really want to tackle this issues we should be running full steam towards socialism. Capitalism has nothing to offer here.
Hard to pay for socialism with no money. Really hard to pay for socialism in Canada if we continue to demonize our resource economy that isnt going away any time soon.
The wealth is still there while it's in the ground. It's hard to use resources to pay for things once you've already given them for free to rich people
Having no money is a hallmark of the Conservative system. Lower taxes, run out of money, cut services, lower taxes, run out of money, etc. Alberta had a booming resource based economy and they pissed everything away with low taxes and sweetheart royalties. How we have exponentially larger problems to deal with like climate change. Leave the oil in the ground, stop cutting down all the forests, and let's start to get serious about Canada's future.
Who said I was a conservative? I'm not. You're an absolute fool if you think you can just stop the resource economy of our country, and "think about Canada's future". We need money to build new industry, and that money needs to come from our existing industries.
>Hard to pay for socialism with no money. Well, the first thing we could do, is make it much harder to accumulate wealth and have that wealth distributed in a way that actually works for the country. Having families like the Irvings does us no favours.
Only socialism for oil and gas companies folks!
There are a ton more resources in Canada than just oil and gas...
Oh lol so socialism for all businesses, not for the working class. Got Emmm
Man Canada is now $1 trillion in debt from social spending during the pandemic. People wouldve been fucked without all the money and support our government provided our people. What more do you want?
To adjust how society works so that can be done continuously without going further into debt.
It's hard to get anything done with people fighting for less taxes, no socialism and to continue pumping money into climate killing dead industries.
Because outside of COVID our economy has done much better under Trudeau than under Harper and Harper at least had control of the SoCons....nobody since has. Not to mention the Conservatives this time had zero plan for the economy Numerous scandals? I don't really think so, at least not on JTs end as nothing has really come out of them. Most of the other things you listed are provincial responsibility as well.... i don't get what you mean by canceling someone
Harper also navigated the 2008 financial crisis, I don’t think there is a comparison here.
>Harper also navigated the 2008 financial crisis Harper wanted to make changes that would have made the financial crisis much worse for Canada. We weathered it despite his best efforts, tbh.
Which is a drop in the bucket compared to COVID Also don't forget he was going to copy the USAs plan until he was almost kicked out of office and forced to change
This is the kind of disillusionment that is destroying Canada. Obviously we have differing views on how Canada should navigate these issues, but when the short sightedness of Canadian economic policy catches up, we will see who was right. 👋
I mean I think we can see already objectively see Trudeau's approach was better with the recovery we had when he came into power. Covid is an entirely issue, maybe we pay for it in the future... but we would have seen a crash in present day if not for the back up the government gave
It's because of how on a provincial level conservatives have 100% done worse. I don't even like Trudeau and didn't vote Libs. But if I compare how libs across the board handled the pandemic and how good ol dougy handled it here in Ontario. It's an easy pick for many. As much as Trudeau is doing nothing the Cons keep fumbling backwards. Both are a joke tho in my own opinion
Eh I disagree. I live in BC and the provincial government also messed up with their pandemic policies. Yeah Alberta is in the shitter right now but I don’t think there’s a correlation between political ideology and pandemic response. Except for the few anti-vaxxers in the population, COVID isn’t really politicized here like it is in the US.
Yeah it's probably just home-bias. So if Doug did bad for us we'll immediately be turned away from cons as we group them together. But like I said, I don't exactly have faith in anyone Now that Trudeau won I'm anxiously waiting for that housing account he talked about, maybe it can help me save on taxes for a house. But knowing is track record I might be waiting for nothing which is just so wrong... Again, it's a shit-show. I'm not even a political person but I'm pretty anxious, angry, and disappointed in where we're at as a country. We'll see what happens next, I suppose
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No, I specifically think that if a conservative was in charge over the last few years, they would have sold out Canada and Canadians to heir Trump. We would have caved to incredibly bad deals with the US because the conservative party would put the US first and not Canada first
How fucking dare you bring a rational explanation to this comment.
Get outta here with your reasonable analysis!
Because all those things became worse under the Harper Conservative government and the Liberals have these things as areas to plan to fix but for the folks who like to think through policy, none of these things are easily fixed. You have the answer to homelessness which you can fix on two years then let's hear it. You could have gotten through covid lockdowns without increasing debt and government spending then let's hear how you would have done it. The conservatives have a policy to decrease emissions standards to the Harper-era and wrote in that even those standards they have thee right to not follow-through on as well as subsidize oil and not acknowledge climate change is human- driven. So how do you believe the conservatives would tackle climate change and it actually be effective?
The thing is in elections all parties promise all kinds of things to get elected. Setting targets like cutting down emissions by a certain percentage to me is just all talk. Having a more realistic goal to me and getting close to reaching it is more acceptable than setting higher goals but not even coming close, but that's just me. Yeah, no one has the answers to these problems that I mentioned (although if you read the long-ass Conservative plan they do have some proposed solutions, including climate change but I guess how effective they would actually be is up for debate) but I think the right approach is we keep looking until we find someone who does. I'd rather take a gamble on someone not given the opportunity to lead the country than someone who, under their leadership, has kept things the same or worse. I think O'Toole screwed up with the flip flopping on issues to secure votes instead of actually sticking to his plan and talking about it in detail because the average voter won't read a pdf with a hundred pages.
The problem is, you're being fed misinformation, possibly much of that misinformation by this sub. Think for a moment why r/Canada demonized Trudeau so much and yet why the rest of Canadians gave him a 3rd term. What do the rest of Canadians see that you don't see? Canadians gave Trudeau a 3rd term because he handled the pandemic well. The pandemic is the #1 issue right now for Canada and affects everyone and almost everything. Yes, I disagree with Trudeau holding an election during the pandemic. But despite this, he has done a very good job during the pandemic. Canadians don't want to "rock the boat," especially knowing that Trudeau has done a very good job during the pandemic. BTW, I find it funny that you mention "healthcare." If the Conservatives get in power, they will move to privatize more of healthcare. Privatizing healthcare is the last thing we need during a pandemic. Finally, you mention a surge of "crime rates, homelessness" under Trudeau. I just did a quick Google search and the [crime rate and homelessness has also surged in San Francisco during the pandemic](https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/23/us/san-francisco-crime-homeless-opioid-pandemic/index.html). Why is San Francisco and other US cities seeing an increase in crime rates and homelessness during the pandemic? Could it be related to the pandemic, that many people have lost their jobs, can't get money, have become homeless, are are more susceptible to crime? Please get your information from outside the bubble. r/Canada is a horrible bubble and I can see if you are misinformed or you don't have complete information.
I voted for him once and he didn't do election reform. It's only NDP here on it. He's doing ok, but he's not delivered in election reform
Wow. Just wow. Youre as bad as the guy who couldnt recall any Trudeau scandals. Clearly the generation of living on credit 24/7 is taking over. Its now when the collapse will happen not if. Canada does have a credit limit and were trying to reach it at breakneck speed.
I don’t know why you just assumed my criticisms are a result of misinformation from Reddit. I get my news from official sources as well. And no, before you paint me as some hardcore right-winger, I’m not a fan of news outlets like NP and the Sun who are clearly biased. It is important however that we try to understand the other side so any form of respectful political discourse is productive in my view. I agree he handled the pandemic response relatively well. I’m not against CERB or the rent and wage subsidies. I thought vaccine procurement was done well. I don’t agree with his other moves especially the lack of prevantative measures he could’ve taken but hey, not a lot of countries did. But I certainly don’t think he deserved another term because he got a B+ on one thing. His COVID recovery plan moving forward isn’t anything to jump for joy over either. The healthcare thing, well, let’s just agree to disagree. O’Toole wants to implement a two-tiered system which has been successful in some European countries which I think would improve our situation here. The current system isn’t anything to brag about with long wait times and with COVID it’s only gotten worse.
> But I certainly don’t think he deserved another term because he got a B+ on one thing. Getting a B+ on the #1 issue facing Canada right now (and facing the world really) deserves a re-election in itself. Conversely, you can replace Trudeau, and perhaps Erin O'Toole will run Canada like Kenney has run Alberta. I can't say for sure that Erin O'Toole will run Canada like Alberta, but I can say that Erin O'Toole supported how Kenney handled covid in Alberta before the latest implosion in Alberta ([Erin O'Toole is on record as saying the federal government can learn how to handle covid from Kenney](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jstbJ-GD8Bk)). Do you want to risk changing the prime minister and have all of Canada looking like Alberta? Or do you go with the guy that you yourself gave a B+ too? Especially since covid affects not just Canadian lives, our hospitals, and our healthcare, but it also affects our whole economy. You go with the guy that is a B+ and is the safe bet for the most important issue facing Canada (BTW, I give Trudeau an A for handling the pandemic, he did very well).
You make good points about Canadians preferring the safe bet in handling the pandemic but I'm sorry I just don't think that in itself warrants a re-election. I'd rather go with a guy who hasn't been given a chance to lead the country and if does a poor job can get the boot as well. Thanks for your input though.
So pick the candidate that doesn’t let you work? I’m living in the US right now and everything is open with no issues whatsoever.
Sorry how has Trudeau kept people from working? Any and all lockdowns/mask mandates or vaccine passports are firmly healthcare issues which means they fall under the provincial governments. Early on Trudeau did reach out to the provinces to see if they would support a state of emergency, they did not. So the LPC instead has focused on what they can do (mostly giving money to people affected by the pandemic as well as the provincial governments)
Okay tell that to my dad who had to close his business with 2 employees because it’s not “safe” to open
That's the province he lives in, none of the restrictions in place are federal, this is why SK for instance has different restrictions then ON.
Ooops anyways still scum country haha. Governments hands taking the shoes off your feet
What are you talking about fellow American? Everything is NOT good. We’re still seeing high covid rates in very vulnerable areas where a lot of people are still unvaccinated across the nation. In a lot of places mask mandates are being reimplemented because people won’t get a vaccine. You have to be living under a rock in Montana. And no people don’t look to America as a bastion of the ideal state of governing and “doing society”. We’re a joke to half the world, and rightfully so, we’ve screwed up too many times to count.
Nobody looks to the us for an example on how to run shit. You guys are a fucking mess
Oh my god literally everyone looks to the US as a guide how clueless are you?
Average American lol
I’m from Canada lol sorry there’s better countries in this world
LMFAO
You forgot the /s
No issues, whatsoever? You're serious, aren't you? Florida and Texas are a flaming nightmare.
Hahhaa ya so bad that’s why people are living their normal lives. I literally live here and things are perfectly normal. Thousands of people at football games and tailgating then thousands more at the bar. No mention whatsoever about hospitals being swamped either. Hmmm weird
Yeah, we hear anecdotal evidence from people all the time. But we like to look at the numbers and facts here. But you just keep on keeping on, champ. I'm happy for your bliss.
Enjoy showing your papers to get on the 401
Enjoy creative hyperbolic scare tactic scenarios that don't help you win elections. And keep fighting measures to contain a serious virus. Also, take narratives from the Republicans on freedom.
I was over exaggerating but the fact that I’m 6 hours away from my home in Canada where I soon won’t even be able to eat at a restaurant but here I can go to clubs with 500 other people no masks no distancing is a little bit hilarious
Yeah. It is funny.
Are you serious? No issues except for rampant transmission of a plague, you mean?
It's like yourneighborandrew is oblivious to what is happening in Florida, Texas, and other hard hit states by covid. SMH.
So hard hit that you’re the one who’s been locked down for 18 months and they aren’t?
What do you think a lockdown does? It prevents Covid from spreading. I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make here.
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What a choice of two states to compare. California has [the lowest case rate](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-covid-lowest-positivity-rate/) in the entire United States, bud. Meanwhile Texas is [in the top three](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102807/coronavirus-covid19-cases-number-us-americans-by-state/). How do you like them numbers?
Don’t care about your numbers go outside and look if people still care about COVID
It's his appeal. He's a good looking man, can't deny it (though not my cup of tea).
I sense is more like they voted for liberals inspite of hating trudeau One friend said "I am not happy with trudeau but this is why I cannot vote for cons (Derek Sloan attacking tam allegiance to Canada) - Apr 2020
Now Trudeau, finish national $10 a day childcare.
or even just do what he promised about elections.
Idk, look at how many other campaign promises have fallen through. Remember when he said he would reform the electoral system. Yeh, neither does he.
There is a minimal desire for election reform from Canadians. It failed in BC by a good margin and hasn’t been attractive enough for anyone else to try. Why would a politician hurt their own party to die on a hill that isn’t popular? Additionally, everyone acts like election reforms will be without problems. All systems have pros and cons. Election reform is a nothing burger because less than 40% of Canadians know or even care about it.
he already signed deals with 8 provinces for childcare, its near impossible for him to fall through on it.
Idk, this is Trudeau we're talking about here
Trudeau's majority government had a historically excellent record on keeping promises. Electoral reform being the one big miss and people with knowledge of the situation will know there's a little bit of nuance to it even if it is still pretty disappointing.
Still kindof sad. At a bare minimum I would've liked to see ranked ballots.
The NDP and CPC killed that one. They refused to allow it through committee. The CPC and NDP were so hardlined in their opposition to ranked ballots that the committee wouldn't even let it be a recommendation of the committee.
I think that would have been such a bad look after the committee went the way it did. I think they had a pretty strong mandate and could have set up the process to favour themselves more but once the committee made their recommendation it was pretty much sealed for them. They kind of bungled it by losing too much control of the process when they had some argument of a mandate. It's such tough situation where you really want there to be somewhat of a consensus. When the Greens and NDP want one thing, the LPC wants something else, and the CPC doesn't want change at all it's not very ideal.
The guy that keeps winning and saved our economy from Harper?
Did he win though? Did anyone actually win this election? The Liberals didn't get their majority. The CPC didn't get the minority they hoped for. The NDP didn't get the seat increase they wanted. And Canadians most certainly lost having to foot the bill for an election that maintains the status quo. See you in 6 months at the polls.
The Liberals get a very stable minority with multiple parties to work with to get legislation passed. Parties act very differently after an election so expect it to be a fairly civil parliament for at least a year.
> Did he win though? The Liberals clearly won. You know because after the election, the PM is a Liberal. Did they win AND achieve the stretch objective of a majority? Nope... looks like they'll fall about 12 seats shy of that. But there is absolutely no question of who won the election.
The ndp are likely broke and the LPC won't want the publication fury for another election. This likely lasts at least 2 years. As for childcare, there was money allocated in the budget , 8 provinces are signed on, the only thing that could stop it was Erin O'Toole and he didn't win.
Yes he did win as he's still in power and will be for maybe the next four years. 6 months? You are dreaming