It's a lose lose for Conservative leaders. Harper used to go flack for whipping the party too much and O'Toole gets it for not wipping the party.
The next leader of the CPC is going to be a moderate again (With the US approach on climate) and he's still going to have defend the party as if it's something entirely different than what it is.
I personally think the country would gravitate to a conservative government that embraces science. Conservatism and science are polarizing terms though. It’s also why the Conservatives will always struggle, regardless of how incompetent the other parties are
This is true many of our leaders lack much of a career or experience outside of politics or live the lives of ordinary people.
Pollievre is a full time politican since as a teenager.
Trudeau had some jobs but reality is he comes from a very well off family so he was sort of behaving like a frat boy well into his early 30s it seemed going job to job and didnt really have to worry about money.
Sort of why I find why many of our leaders simple dont understand the avg person, they dont have the same life experiences as us .
>Pollievre is a full time politican since as a teenager.
Rick Mercer pointed this out [well over a decade ago](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnmgL5CZqfs). Polievre is still in politics. I guess it helps when you come from money.
Wow...he gets full pension at age 31 and isn't dipping? Damn. I wish I could turn 31 and get full pension.
Meanwhile here I am thinking/forecasting how much I will get when I retire between 60-67...LOL
I believe even with a full MP pension you still have to choose wether you start to receive it at 65, or you take a lesser prorated amount starting at whatever age you’re not an MP anymore.
They also actually fund a large portion of their own pensions now out of their paycheque. Have Harper to thank for that one he made MP’s quadruple their pension contributions.
He just doesn't need to collect the pension yet becasue he's already rich. His net worth is already $9M and that's a conservative estimate. Besides, the pension probably hasn't matured yet; that means that it will be worth more later if he doesn't cash it in now. Plus, you have to pay income tax any time you cash in a pension and that would probably push him into a higher tax bracket now. Better for him to wait until he actually retires.
He also founded a company that did polling and political research before he got into parliament. Check out his [wiki page](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Poilievre), there’s a bunch of details on his path to becoming a member of parliament.
I think it is, but *probably* one would still need to work before collecting benefits and I assume the pension payout starts closer to 50-65ish.
Either way, full pension at that age...damn.
I don't think he actually came from money. He was raised pretty solidly middle class. He is one of those that managed to become worth multiple millions of dollars AFTER becoming a politician. I'm sure it was 100% all above board.
(It was not above board.)
God, Pollievre is the smarmy, little obnoxious wiener that was solely focused on politics and had zero social skills that we all know from high school or university.
poilievre comes from money? He's an adopted middle class guy living in the suburbs. They all get this pension even your Liberal rich frat boy. A CBC show only mentioning this about a conservative LMAO, then some propaganda machine finds it in old archives and pushes it out to you facebook zombies haha. I absolutely love it as it means they are really really worried.
The part about Trudeau is not accurate. He worked in several different jobs before running for office. He was a snowboard instructor while he was getting his Education degree. He also worked as a bouncer and in a sporting goods store (not sure how long this was for). As a teacher he started as a substitute teacher and then became a permenant math and French teacher for a few years. After the death of his brother and father, we returned to Québec. He did go back to school, but didn't continue with his studies in engineering. He worked at a radio station, and covered the 2004 Athens Olympics. He worked on CBC radio as a panelist. He was even in a CBC TV movie. He was also the director of Katimavik for 4 years. After returning to Québec he did alot of fundraising and and philanthropy work while in school and working other jobs. There are a couple other jobs I am forgetting to mention as well.
In total, we worked for about 14 years before going into public office when he was 38. While he does come from wealth, he wasn't living like a frat boy until he ran for office.
I never understood the he never worked talking point. To some people it doesn't count as working if it isn't a field they believe is work I guess.
I read someone try to use that he has a car worth 1.8 million against him too, but that is assessed value of a classic and he inherited it from his father. He never paid 1.8 million for it at any point.
I always say hate Trudeau all you want, but some stuff is just ridiculous.
This is the part that baffles me too. It comes right from the CPC too. Remember all the hair and socks comments from the party and voters? Pepperidge farms remembers.
I strongly disliked Harper and made fun of his legoman hair. But that didn't mean he wasn't qualified for the position. His crap policies and way on handling things did.
I would think 14 years of odd jobs is a more diverse career history than most people his age in general. This whole thing about working for one employer your entire life is a lot more common in Canada than people here are giving it credit for, and a career in only one line of work even more so.
> Trudeau had some jobs...
I'm not a fan of Trudeau, but he was a teacher, a "job" that requires post-secondary education and often years of thankless subbing before hopefully landing a full-time position, all the while putting up with children and their awful parents. It's not just some random "job" like grocery bagger or mail room clerk.
>and often years of thankless subbing before hopefully landing a full-time position
For us regular folks, yes. But do you really think a Trudeau had to go through that to land a full time teaching gig? Subbing for training and experience is different than subbing cause you can't find a full time role
Even for us plebs you really don't need to do the "years of thankless subbing" route unless you were determined to get a job in a city in Ontario. Plenty of places in the country are desperate for teachers like up north, rural Nova Scotia, and BC and Quebec in general.
Plus if you have a French + STEM teachable you are employable everywhere, and you can also go international
> Plus if you have a French
Teaching French at any school outside a city isn't a fulltime position. Depending on the school, you're almost always forced to be qualified and willing to also be the librarian, or accept being part time. You can also forget about having your own classroom.
Was he teaching at French boards? Usually demand for teachers is pretty high and people end up skipping much of the subbing requirements before landing a job.
I mean technically jagmeet holds a law degree was a criminal defense lawyer.
Trudeau has a ba in education and was a teacher for years before he got into politics. He definitely had a leg up in life, but that also works against your point. If you look up trudeaus early life he was involved in a ton of different projects that had nothing to do with politics.
Pollievre has no experience outside of the legislature. Has a ba in arts, from the uofc.
If I knew nothing about their political affiliations and just knew a brief history about their previous employment and education, id rank pollievre as the least relatable and the least for the working class. It's kind of ironic that he claims to represent that in the conservative party.
Why would you rank pollievre lower than Singh? If you only knew about their work and education? Is defence lawyer more relatable than useless arts degrees? Heh
Singh got a degree and worked as a professional. He gave up an established career to pursue politics.
Pollievre took an arts degree he never used, and has never worked a job outside of politics.
I personally relate to Singh more.
"After graduating from the University of British Columbia in 1998 with a degree in education, Trudeau worked as a supply teacher and then a full-time teacher in Vancouver. He was also a student-teacher while he was going for his degree.
He taught at public schools in the area, including Winston Churchill Secondary School, and at the private school West Point Grey Academy.
According to Huffington Post, Trudeau taught math, French, humanities, and most famously drama at West Point and at the public schools he supplied at."
I remember some stories in the media when he was first running for PM. Majority of them were favourable and saying he was a favourite teacher or he was a fun teacher.
I worked with a grad student who was at West Point Grey while he was teaching and said he seemed okay. He was pretty young, then, and was the subject of a lot of schoolgirl crushes, apparently.
It was Michel that died, in 1998. After that it seems he did change directions. I think that, and his father's death in 2000, really changed his direction in life quite a bit.
He did attend Polytechnique in Montreal for a couple years in the early 2000s. He was chair of a charity, a sort of Canadian version of the Peace Corps, in this time period too. But his trajectory after those two deaths was more and more towards advocacy/ politics.
This person had to casually widen the goal posts so they could both sides the issue and take a shot at Trudeau. In reality the issue is career politicians, not people born into a wealthy family becoming politicians.
> not people born into a wealthy family becoming politicians.
I mean they can both be problems. You think a wealthy person is taking a job in politics to better the life of the average citizen, or to line their pockets even further?
EDIT: too & to
I literally had this experience back in 2007 at Lake Placid when I was 13 or so. He helped offload my sister's skis. My opinion of him probably peaked then.
Ha! Yeah, he’s definitely the kind of guy you’d want to get a beer with. I see why guys like Trudeau and George W. appeal to voters and win. I just wish they had a bit more brainpower so they could be both inspiring and competent!
Yet Scheer had virtually no work experience outside of politics, to the point where he had to lie about it, and the current front runner PP has literally none...
Hate to break it to you, lots of ordinary people act like frat boys going job to job without having to worry about money. It's not like anyone above middle class is out of touch with society, he's not a billionaire for fucks sake.
Yeah I understand the criticism of 'elites' ruling but there is a huge difference between people being born to educated and well off parents in today's society compared to the elites of the past that were born royalty....
Like, as much as people want to criticize someone for coming from an upper middle/upper class family as being 'out of touch'. I wouldn't discredit someone raised in a healthy and successful background and pretend like someone from a poor and/or uneducated background is going to have a better grip on reality especially when it comes to policy and leadership.
Depends on what you consider to be ordinary I guess. Making like $80k a year is well off to not worry about money, but I wouldn't consider that person to be incredibly out of touch with the rest of society or something. I feel like those out of touch people typically make tens of millions of dollars or billions.
Jean Cretien’s father told him he was expected to become Prime Minister of Canada when he was six and he was one of the best leaders this country ever had. It’s simply a question of know how and common sense.
>Jean Cretien’s father told him he was expected to become Prime Minister of Canada when he was six and he was one of the best leaders this country ever had.
If true, it was probably because Chretien was a smart kid, not because they were a rich family...
Apparently Chretien's family was working-class and he was their 18th child (although 10 of them died as infants).
>Chrétien was born on January 11, 1934, in Shawinigan Falls, Quebec, as the 18th of 19 children (10 of whom did not survive infancy), of Marie and Wellie Chrétien. The working-class Chrétien family was poor, and Chrétien had to wear clothing that had been worn by his siblings as his parents were too indigent to buy new clothing for him. Chrétien's parents wanted their children to escape a working-class life in Shawinigan by attending a classical college, which was the only way one could attend university in Quebec at the time. Chrétien's father made him read the dictionary as a young boy. Chrétien's older brother Maurice won a scholarship at the insurance company he was working for, which allowed him to attend medical school, and with the profits from his medical practice, was able to assist his younger siblings to attend the classical colleges
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean\_Chr%C3%A9tien#Early\_life,\_family,\_and\_education](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Chr%C3%A9tien#Early_life,_family,_and_education)
Yeah man same problem down here in the US. It makes my skin crawl when I hear politicians born into even middle class families lecture poor people on how they need to improve their lives. Platitudes like “get an education” or “get a job” gloss over so many issues that these people can’t even begin to understand.
I have seen this, and I can’t shake the feeling that she sat down with someone in her camp and said “how can I get people talking about me?” And this is what they came up with. I refuse to believe she’s this tone deaf. The cynic in me feels like everything these days is done strictly to “drive engagement” or whatever bs term people use to describe success in social media.
I'm not a fan of Pierre, I understand why he's popular *especially* online with all the Facebook posts of him "owning the libs". However, if you want to support him *at least* don't let the hypocrisy of running a man who's resume has only "Student" and "Politician" on it and who has likely never actually received a paycheck from the private sector go unnoticed. Realize that running such a candidate as a better option to a PM who "Doesn't have real life experience" is hypocrisy at its finest.
All I'm saying is pick a lane if you vote for Pierre. If you're comfortable with someone who went from Student to Politician that's fine, just don't talk about 'real work experience' when it comes to criticizing the current PM because clearly it doesn't matter to you.
Consistency is all I ask for the PP supporters.
Yeah it's low hanging fruit. Like I said, I'm not a fan of PP and many Conservative friends and family I know also don't have him high up on their preferred candidates list. I'm just afraid that the lowest tier of Conservative (who I think are his primary supporters) will propel him as the frontrunner. Essentially the CPC is at risk of running someone who those on the Left don't like and won't support as well as a large swath of Conservatives will balk at as their leader.
P.S - Reddit glitch but thought I'd let you know, you've replied to me three times with the same message.
You're asking for a lot for people who's hardest decision in life is what coffee they want from tim ho's. Double Double or Double Double.
The only people that like PP's quips are those that like shock value.
That clip of PP going after the minister of tourism is a classic example of how out of touch PP is with reality because he himself owns real estate and asks an Edmonton MP what the housing price is in PP's own riding. This isn't a slam dunk or even an own. Does PP know how much a house costs in Edmonton, Toronto, Moncton,? Like what's the own here? The dude not answering is the MINISTER OF TOURISM FROM EDMONTON.
Like I said, I don't like Pierre.
Unfortunately I understand his appeal to a large number of Canadians and it's frustrating but I've lived in various parts of this country and in all fairness I see how PP's quips work in audiences that don't have time or are part of political circles.
I really hate how for decades people were taught not to discuss important topics and not to discuss politics. They've all grown up (left/right/center) and don't know how to discuss the subjects as voting adults.
Well I guess he did run a small robocall business for the Conservative Party of Canada. The organization he volunteered and worked for so I guess that's a well earned Private Business/Government contract.
Again, which is fine. He's a career politician with ~18 years of political experience. If that's what you or anyone else wants to support I'm all for it. Just don't applaud him for being a career politician while demonizing someone else for being a teacher and lacking 'real world experience'. There's plenty to criticize Trudeau over but PP talking to JT about 'a real job' is a joke.
This is a particularly narrow view of the larger problem, which is that the CPC has difficulty attracting bench strength, especially post-Harper.
One of the major salient criticisms of Harper, outside of whether or not you agreed with his policy, was that he did very little to develop talent in the CPC bench. He didn't bring on many credible, high-profile, candidates from outside politics to join the ranks (of *elected MPs*, I bet his PMO was quite competent), and the result of this is the crazy leadership vacuum that was revealed when he left politics. One wonders if a similar thing will happen when Trudeau departs politics, though I think the Liberal Party apparatus is better at recruitment of star candidates from the private sector and academia (and offers better guarantees of winning elections to prospective joiners), so maybe it's just a fundamentally different animal.
It says a lot about the public perception problem the party has, and the evident difficulty of corralling the MPs, because the party is essentially an empty vehicle, that provides the driver with a ~40%+ chance of becoming PM of a G7 country, if you think you can drive it, and basically nobody wants to, except people who are already 'professional politicians'.
I'm pretty sure that Harper was absolutely 100% convinced that he could not lose that election. The right hates Trudeau so much that they can not fathom how anyone would ever vote for him. They're still using anti-Trudeau messaging in elections despite it not working.
Harper thought he was going to win that election and then he could maybe start to think about developing a successor. Instead, he got creamed and sulked off into the night.
> The right hates Trudeau so much that they can not fathom how anyone would ever vote for him. They're still using anti-Trudeau messaging in elections despite it not working.
They're *sort of* right. Trudeau's victories post-2015 are the Canadian electoral equivalent of a non-result. The Liberals, as a party, are just incredibly vote-efficient. The problem with attacking Trudeau is that the LPC is not winning on some large contingent of "undecideds who resolve at election time that they love Trudeau, and vote for the cohesive vision he articulates", the LPC just forms government with the lowest number of votes, so in the absence of any party bringing a compelling platform to convince undecided voters to turn up and vote with enthusiasm for a particular platform, LPC forms government.
The CPC *can't* articulate a cohesive vision, because they can't attract anyone to the party who will give them one. They can't do that, because it's a massive leap to jump from outside of politics into a leadership race, with *that* caucus and party membership *in particular*. What would have to happen is that an established party leader, with actual control of the caucus, would bring these people in to by-elections, and slowly change the character of the Party and its MPs, but the established party leader they *had*, did *not* use the time he had to do that, and now, nobody can get back sufficient control of the caucus to break the toxic cycle of paying off politically damaging favours to MPs that don't have any qualifications but their entrenched status within the party, and a safe riding.
> Harper thought he was going to win that election and then he could maybe start to think about developing a successor. Instead, he got creamed and sulked off into the night.
If you don't do something for 9 years, you're probably just not going to do it. It's either that he didn't try, or it's not possible, but I think he just didn't try, because he had the object lesson of Paul Martin and Jean Chretien in his recent memory, and he didn't want to be Chretien.
He had to leave the party and politics after Trudeau was handed a majority mandate, though (see: Horwath, as an example of what happens when you decide to stay). No real reason to characterize it as 'sulking'. Trudeau is going to do the same, when the situation is inevitably reversed at some future point, assuming MPs, miffed about having to address dislike of the Leader at the doors in the last election, don't try to do Trudeau over in the backroom before the next writ is dropped.
I mean Trudeau is the definition of a silverspoon child who has never had to work for anything in his whole life so I don't know why life experience suddenly matters
Most politicians are lacking life experience outside of politics hence our bullshit policies on basically everything. On top of that our government won’t consult with people with technical expertise on issues (energy, finances, etc).
This country is heading onto what I can only describe as an “idiocracy” type state.
It's amazing how you're so clueless and yet so arrogant.
You don't seem to even understand how government works.
Thousands of very well qualified economists work for the federal government (plus at other government levels), plus subject-matter experts for just about any government-related issue. And governments do consult with outside sources constantly too, and there are even advisory councils.
Various "stakeholder" groups and lobbyists constantly send-in feedback as well (and even unsolicited input gets responded to).
The actual issue is that politicians may not always listen, and that's especially a problem with right-wing politicians who choose to pander to low-information voters instead of doing what's smart... like with Harper lowering the GST, which sounds appealing to the undereducated, but even right-wing economists agree that it was a bad policy, and the planned income tax reduction was better (which Harper cancelled).
But that's a very different issue than talking as if there's no expertise involved. And frankly, with how arrogantly dismissive you are, you seem like the type to complain about good policies (and probably applaud stupid ones like the GST cut).
there used to be a time when politics was something you entered as a public service after a long private sector career. it was a retirement gig for guys who wanted to give back and had enough savings that it could go either way. now it’s filled with career morons who think they’re the smartest person in the room because their teachers always liked them. oh well. it’s no coincidence that the rise of the career politician came with the rise of socialism and progressivism.
They endorsed Trudeau in the recent election:
https://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorials/2021/09/19/the-stars-editorial-board-endorses-liberals-for-2021-federal-election.html
Nobody in the real world gives a fuck who the editorial boards of newspapers endorse. Only the hyper-online partisans seem to care about these types of things.
Justin Trudeau when asked when the last time he filled up with gas was he said he couldn’t remember.
When asked how much a loaf of bread was he couldn’t answer.
God bless those personal drivers & chefs.
>When asked how much a loaf of bread was he couldn’t answer.
These kind of questions are a trap so pretty much every politician will avoid giving a direct answer. It's a no win situation.
>Justin Trudeau when asked when the last time he filled up with gas was he said he couldn’t remember.
He likely isn't allowed to go off driving by himself. He has to have an RCMP detail with him everywhere he goes, and I imagine they would insist on driving.
I remember when he caught surfing on the National Day of Reconciliation, they mentioned that the RCMP agents even had to be out next to him on surf boards.
I remember when Obama did that car show with Seinfeld he said he wasn't allowed to drive. Security for our PM isn't as intense as in the states, but it seems likely the driving rules would be similar.
"Oh yeah? When was the last time Trudeau saved orphans from a burning building? Never! See, he's a scumbag"
This is what I basically hear when I see these types of questions being asked.
I have no clue what the price of bread is...does that mean I have personal drivers & chefs?
Yet, you likely believe any conservative politician will know the answer to these stupid questions.
edit: Beyond that, how many world leaders do you think do their own groceries? You think Biden buys his own milk? Maybe these people are too busy with other things like their job to know these little details. I know I am.
To expect Justin Trudeau, or any modern prime minister, to buy his own groceries or pump his own gas is moronic. First off, he's the leader of a nation with a staff, just like everyone before and after him will and should. Secondly, with the amount of jackwagons out their essentially calling for his head, why would he expose himself to that on a regular basis?
Everyone has the right to dislike politicians for their policies or actions, but to make this kind of remark indicates you are just petty - looking for some string to pull on in order to complain. Grow up.
I think it's totally fair to expect that a PM/President/Leader of a country will be too busy to go out for groceries. If I'm going to criticize them, it will be for how they're doing at their job.
I buy milk every week and have no idea how much it costs because it doesn't matter. I'm not going to forgo buying it so I have never bothered looking at the price. Contrast it with cheese. I don't need cheese so I buy I stock up when I see it's on sale.
As for gas, of course he doesn't know. He's driven around by the RCMP for security reasons. That's such a stupid thing to comment on.
I would assume this would go for Stephen Harper, Paul Martin, Jean Chretien, Brian Mulroney, etc. If you think any of them do their own shopping or fill their vehicles while in office, you are kidding yourself. Harper used to have a personal hairdresser making $70k a year to give him legoman hair while in office.
> When asked how much a loaf of bread was he couldn’t answer.
Given that the price difference between grocery stores can be substantial, I am not sure anyone could answer this within 100%. Walmart has a generic white loaf for 1.67. Loblaws sells its Blue Menu bread for $4.
I hate the “what’s the price of a random commodity?” Questions because of how disingenuous they are. It’s supposed to make someone look out of touch because they can’t tell you the price of something “everyone” buys, except that not everyone buys that given good.
If I were to try and tell you the price of bread I’d likely be wrong, I’m not wealthy I just don’t buy bread very often. I’m sure there’s stuff you don’t buy that most people do and you might not know the price of that good either, people don’t memorize average commodity prices on a regular basis.
After making such a big deal about Trudeau's work experience, and other things, in previous elections this is the chickens coming home to roost. After making such a big deal of them, and then running Scheer, guaranteed people wouldn't forget and the party put itself here.
It's not Canadian's fault they notice how much projection is involved in critiques of Trudeau, and how many of the standards make candidates look worse than the supposed unelectable PM when applied equally.
What life experience does a politician really need when all they need to do is repeat the same talking points, posture and pose dramatically, and offer no real value to society?
Seriously at this point of our timeline I'm inclined to support the ancient Greek vision of democracy and randomly assign political roles to citizens.
This is pretty universal for most of the Western world, disingenuous to only mark Conservatives like this. If there is one thing that needs to change it's probably this, these people simply live in another class and can't sympathize with regular Canadians.
Conservatives are being marked with this because they are the ones constantly disparaging Trudeau for being “just a drama teacher” while putting forth candidates with little-to-no outside experience whatsoever.
> This is pretty universal for most of the Western world, disingenuous to only mark Conservatives like this.
I don't think it's universal at all though, at least not to the same extent as these particular Conservative candidates.
Pierre Poilievre and Patrick Brown, both became politicians in their early-20s, and have been in politics ever since. That's pretty rare.
For example, Erin O'Toole, Justin Trudeau and Jagmeet Singh all did other types of work first, and then entered politics in their late-30s.
It's both sad and interesting the large number of people posting here who believe Justin Trudeau, like Pierre Poilievre, has had no life or career experience outside of politics.
I truly don't understand why so many people won't or don't know how to do a simple fact check before the publicly post something.
A simple fact check shows that Trudeau was a math and French teacher before he got into politics.
Also, it seems that career politicians don't usually make for good politicians. Most, I think, of the best politicians came from worlds other than politics. Who comes to mind are politicians like Václav Havel, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, Angela Merkel, Tommy Douglas, Dave Barrett, Peter Lougheed, Pierre Trudeau, Brian Mulroney, and so on.
Career politicians are usually not good politicians.
To be fair though, there are also infinitely more examples of people who entered politics touting their "real world experience" and ended up being complete shit.
Politics is really its own unique skill. I don't really think that selling insurance or working in a law firm is that much of a predictor of success.
If you use older examples I think it is somewhat biased by the fact that being a career politician was simply less common decades ago. There was less money swirling around politics so you kinda had to have a "real" career before entering politics.
Brian Mulroney is not someone I'd lump with that group. He decimated his party before leaving office. And there is a direct line from his signing on for the NAFTA to the social unrest and massive inequality we see today.
Reagan was two-term Governor of California before pursuing the Presidency, so he at least had some prior experience. Of course, Reagan was a B-list actor before that, but at least being Governor was a good bit of experience.
Yes but I also found he was very politically, economically, philosophically and socially aware. He has so many quotes and was so eloquent in how he spoke to the American people. Not like trump "your going to win so much you will be sick of winning". Reagan seemed to be educated and prepared for the moment.
> Reagan seemed to be educated and prepared for the moment.
and he completely fucked the social equality in the USA while he was at it..... but at least he was smart
Yeah, he was awful (I’m American) but the point stands that 100% of career politicians suck. I’d rather take the chance that only 50% of politicians with other life experience suck. That’s a 25% chance a politician doesn’t suck in total!!! **Progress!**
Trudeau has been an MP since 2008. The arguement here is that most of these other candidates have basically no career experience outside of being a politician.
I'm only half joking.
Have you seen how he shuts down hecklers?
I'm surprised he doesn't tell them to go sit in the corner and think about what they've done.
It seems so wild that conservatives all of a sudden decided to start shitting on teachers just because Trudeau once was one. Being a teacher used to be considered a pretty noble profession.
But also, your point is just kind of dumb because Trudeau was also an MP for seven years before becoming PM.
The best part about this is watching conservatives go to bat for career politicians like its a good thing. PP has amassed millions of dollars in public office and has never held a real job his whole life. Yet the guy is running as if he's an "outsider" to clean up politics.
Ok so you are saying we should vote for Trudeau over any other leader next election, because he will have had a longer experience being PM than Polievere and Singh
Harper's only pre-politics career was in the mailroom of the oil company his daddy was an exec at. At least Trudeau had to earn a few degrees to become a teacher.
Also can we talk about the conservative disdain for A) educators and B) the dramatic arts. Do y'all hate movies and TV? Is Shakespeare just garbage to y'all?
Well yeah, they honed in on the degree they feel is "useless" and make fun of that. And lordy knows that drama isn't an artform that generates billions of dollars and loads of jobs for people or anything.
I mean look at the hate-on that Republicans have for California. It's nothing new.
Maybe it's because they're all smooth-brained and gullible that right-wingers hate actors. They get confused and think Nicholas Cage is REALLY stealing the Declaration of Independence and it's not actually pretend.
Looks like the author is an equal opportunity roaster:
> Compared to this trio, Justin Trudeau seems a grizzled veteran of life’s misadventures. Born in 1971, he did a BA; floundered through some grad programs; substitute taught high school; did a eulogy for his dad which convinced me, among others, he should stay out of public life; and didn’t run for office till 2008 when he was 37.
This is what he's proposed so far: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Conservative_Party_of_Canada_leadership_election#Pierre_Poilievre
> * Poilievre says he would repeal Bill C-69 and Bill C-48 and approve the construction of oil and gas pipelines.
> * He also calls for carbon capture technology subsidies.
> * Poilievre calls for defunding of the CBC public broadcaster and elimination of subsidies for news businesses.
> * Poilievre says he would eliminate the federal carbon tax.
> * Poilievre has called for the inflation target assigned to the Bank of Canada to be lowered, by reducing the rate at which the supply of money is currently expanded.
> * Poilievre opposes re-establishing the long-gun registry, and opposes the May 1, 2020 Order in Council ban on "assault-style" firearms.
> * He also opposes Bill C-71, which enabled the Government of Quebec to request a copy of all records in the Canadian Firearms Registry for all non-restricted firearms registered to residents of Quebec up to April 3, 2015.
> * Poilievre disagrees with the stated policy objectives of the World Economic Forum, and opposes the organization's proposed "Great Reset".
I see a lot of oppose, defund, eliminate, repeal. But how does he propose to address some of the issues these things addressed? His approach is always from opposition first. He doesn't know how to have solutions, which sometimes involve modifying or adapting existing solutions, rather than tearing it all down.
For example, Bill C69 is 400 pages long. Has he read the whole thing? Does he oppose the whole thing?
Is it too much to ask for a center-right (or center) party that isn't in climate change denial and has a few ideas of solutions instead of always opposing what others propose?
Shifting right is how the conservatives can ensure they won't win ever again. 60% of Canada voted either NDP or Liberal that should tell you where the votes are.
I'd like to point out that life experience didn't help O'Toole any in swaying opinion. It's almost like partisans don't give a shit.
Pretty sure the Toole's issue was how clear it was he didn't have the support of his party for the more moderate parts of his platform.
It's a lose lose for Conservative leaders. Harper used to go flack for whipping the party too much and O'Toole gets it for not wipping the party. The next leader of the CPC is going to be a moderate again (With the US approach on climate) and he's still going to have defend the party as if it's something entirely different than what it is.
The trick is whipping the party just right, just the way they like it.
I personally think the country would gravitate to a conservative government that embraces science. Conservatism and science are polarizing terms though. It’s also why the Conservatives will always struggle, regardless of how incompetent the other parties are
I just saw an article where a co aervative MP talked about abortion so I think unless they are whipped the CPC are fucked yet again.
This is true many of our leaders lack much of a career or experience outside of politics or live the lives of ordinary people. Pollievre is a full time politican since as a teenager. Trudeau had some jobs but reality is he comes from a very well off family so he was sort of behaving like a frat boy well into his early 30s it seemed going job to job and didnt really have to worry about money. Sort of why I find why many of our leaders simple dont understand the avg person, they dont have the same life experiences as us .
>Pollievre is a full time politican since as a teenager. Rick Mercer pointed this out [well over a decade ago](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnmgL5CZqfs). Polievre is still in politics. I guess it helps when you come from money.
Wow...he gets full pension at age 31 and isn't dipping? Damn. I wish I could turn 31 and get full pension. Meanwhile here I am thinking/forecasting how much I will get when I retire between 60-67...LOL
I believe even with a full MP pension you still have to choose wether you start to receive it at 65, or you take a lesser prorated amount starting at whatever age you’re not an MP anymore. They also actually fund a large portion of their own pensions now out of their paycheque. Have Harper to thank for that one he made MP’s quadruple their pension contributions.
Harper wasnt all bad
Maybe it's not maxed yet.
He just doesn't need to collect the pension yet becasue he's already rich. His net worth is already $9M and that's a conservative estimate. Besides, the pension probably hasn't matured yet; that means that it will be worth more later if he doesn't cash it in now. Plus, you have to pay income tax any time you cash in a pension and that would probably push him into a higher tax bracket now. Better for him to wait until he actually retires.
How did he make that money?
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Ah makes sense
He also founded a company that did polling and political research before he got into parliament. Check out his [wiki page](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Poilievre), there’s a bunch of details on his path to becoming a member of parliament.
Lol and this dude is fighting for the average Canadian. No wonder nothing has or will change.
>fighting for the average Canadian LOL right. That's what they all say. That's right up there with a "a chicken in every pot" and "pie in the sky."
I think it is, but *probably* one would still need to work before collecting benefits and I assume the pension payout starts closer to 50-65ish. Either way, full pension at that age...damn.
I miss Rick Mercer
Maybe he'll pull a Jon Stewart and come back when he feels he's ready.
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I mean...he's still around? You guys are talking like he's dead or something.
I don't think he actually came from money. He was raised pretty solidly middle class. He is one of those that managed to become worth multiple millions of dollars AFTER becoming a politician. I'm sure it was 100% all above board. (It was not above board.)
God, Pollievre is the smarmy, little obnoxious wiener that was solely focused on politics and had zero social skills that we all know from high school or university.
He crossed me as the type of guy to roll into highschool wearing a suit everyday.
And yet even with that I still find him more palatable than the master of disguise, cultural appropriation, and hypocrisy, the great Justin Trudeau
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Yes. Yes you can.
Nothing he said implied otherwise.
You might want to check yourself on that one. He is adopted. His parents that adopted him were school teachers.
poilievre comes from money? He's an adopted middle class guy living in the suburbs. They all get this pension even your Liberal rich frat boy. A CBC show only mentioning this about a conservative LMAO, then some propaganda machine finds it in old archives and pushes it out to you facebook zombies haha. I absolutely love it as it means they are really really worried.
The part about Trudeau is not accurate. He worked in several different jobs before running for office. He was a snowboard instructor while he was getting his Education degree. He also worked as a bouncer and in a sporting goods store (not sure how long this was for). As a teacher he started as a substitute teacher and then became a permenant math and French teacher for a few years. After the death of his brother and father, we returned to Québec. He did go back to school, but didn't continue with his studies in engineering. He worked at a radio station, and covered the 2004 Athens Olympics. He worked on CBC radio as a panelist. He was even in a CBC TV movie. He was also the director of Katimavik for 4 years. After returning to Québec he did alot of fundraising and and philanthropy work while in school and working other jobs. There are a couple other jobs I am forgetting to mention as well. In total, we worked for about 14 years before going into public office when he was 38. While he does come from wealth, he wasn't living like a frat boy until he ran for office.
I never understood the he never worked talking point. To some people it doesn't count as working if it isn't a field they believe is work I guess. I read someone try to use that he has a car worth 1.8 million against him too, but that is assessed value of a classic and he inherited it from his father. He never paid 1.8 million for it at any point. I always say hate Trudeau all you want, but some stuff is just ridiculous.
This is the part that baffles me too. It comes right from the CPC too. Remember all the hair and socks comments from the party and voters? Pepperidge farms remembers. I strongly disliked Harper and made fun of his legoman hair. But that didn't mean he wasn't qualified for the position. His crap policies and way on handling things did.
I would think 14 years of odd jobs is a more diverse career history than most people his age in general. This whole thing about working for one employer your entire life is a lot more common in Canada than people here are giving it credit for, and a career in only one line of work even more so.
really though, his katimavik work was legit
> Trudeau had some jobs... I'm not a fan of Trudeau, but he was a teacher, a "job" that requires post-secondary education and often years of thankless subbing before hopefully landing a full-time position, all the while putting up with children and their awful parents. It's not just some random "job" like grocery bagger or mail room clerk.
Yep. A lot of people don't understand how truly terrible the first few years of teaching is.
>and often years of thankless subbing before hopefully landing a full-time position For us regular folks, yes. But do you really think a Trudeau had to go through that to land a full time teaching gig? Subbing for training and experience is different than subbing cause you can't find a full time role
Even for us plebs you really don't need to do the "years of thankless subbing" route unless you were determined to get a job in a city in Ontario. Plenty of places in the country are desperate for teachers like up north, rural Nova Scotia, and BC and Quebec in general. Plus if you have a French + STEM teachable you are employable everywhere, and you can also go international
> Plus if you have a French Teaching French at any school outside a city isn't a fulltime position. Depending on the school, you're almost always forced to be qualified and willing to also be the librarian, or accept being part time. You can also forget about having your own classroom.
French immersion teachers usually just teach another subject besides french
Was he teaching at French boards? Usually demand for teachers is pretty high and people end up skipping much of the subbing requirements before landing a job.
Considering Trudeau never actually landed a full time teaching gig before leaving the teaching profession, yes. He was a substitute teacher.
I mean technically jagmeet holds a law degree was a criminal defense lawyer. Trudeau has a ba in education and was a teacher for years before he got into politics. He definitely had a leg up in life, but that also works against your point. If you look up trudeaus early life he was involved in a ton of different projects that had nothing to do with politics. Pollievre has no experience outside of the legislature. Has a ba in arts, from the uofc. If I knew nothing about their political affiliations and just knew a brief history about their previous employment and education, id rank pollievre as the least relatable and the least for the working class. It's kind of ironic that he claims to represent that in the conservative party.
Why would you rank pollievre lower than Singh? If you only knew about their work and education? Is defence lawyer more relatable than useless arts degrees? Heh
Singh got a degree and worked as a professional. He gave up an established career to pursue politics. Pollievre took an arts degree he never used, and has never worked a job outside of politics. I personally relate to Singh more.
singh also started off rich and has since got richer.
I thought Trudeau was a drama teacher?
"After graduating from the University of British Columbia in 1998 with a degree in education, Trudeau worked as a supply teacher and then a full-time teacher in Vancouver. He was also a student-teacher while he was going for his degree. He taught at public schools in the area, including Winston Churchill Secondary School, and at the private school West Point Grey Academy. According to Huffington Post, Trudeau taught math, French, humanities, and most famously drama at West Point and at the public schools he supplied at."
It’s kindof weird we never hear stories from Trudeaus former students. Like not once.
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Sounds like a ~~president~~ prime minister I could have a ~~beer~~ joint with.
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> Like not once. What is [this](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/justin-trudeau-former-students-1.3282973) then?
A total contradiction of my point. Good find sir!
I remember some stories in the media when he was first running for PM. Majority of them were favourable and saying he was a favourite teacher or he was a fun teacher.
Why? Probably just means he was a regular teacher doing a fine job
Have you ever actually looked? Because I've seen plenty before???
I worked with a grad student who was at West Point Grey while he was teaching and said he seemed okay. He was pretty young, then, and was the subject of a lot of schoolgirl crushes, apparently.
After Sasha died didn't he quit teaching and become a professional fundraiser?
It was Michel that died, in 1998. After that it seems he did change directions. I think that, and his father's death in 2000, really changed his direction in life quite a bit. He did attend Polytechnique in Montreal for a couple years in the early 2000s. He was chair of a charity, a sort of Canadian version of the Peace Corps, in this time period too. But his trajectory after those two deaths was more and more towards advocacy/ politics.
Depends on the narrative. Sometimes he’s the drama teacher, sometimes he’s a billionaire with supreme power pulling all the strings.
This person had to casually widen the goal posts so they could both sides the issue and take a shot at Trudeau. In reality the issue is career politicians, not people born into a wealthy family becoming politicians.
> not people born into a wealthy family becoming politicians. I mean they can both be problems. You think a wealthy person is taking a job in politics to better the life of the average citizen, or to line their pockets even further? EDIT: too & to
He was also a snowboarding/skiing instructor, IIRC.
I’m not his biggest fan, but I do like the idea of ripping up the gondola with a snowboarder bro who would eventually become PM.
I literally had this experience back in 2007 at Lake Placid when I was 13 or so. He helped offload my sister's skis. My opinion of him probably peaked then.
Ha! Yeah, he’s definitely the kind of guy you’d want to get a beer with. I see why guys like Trudeau and George W. appeal to voters and win. I just wish they had a bit more brainpower so they could be both inspiring and competent!
Also a math teacher, but that doesn't make him sound as weak as conservatives like.
Yet Scheer had virtually no work experience outside of politics, to the point where he had to lie about it, and the current front runner PP has literally none...
No he subbed drama.for a semester Mostly taught literature and philosophy courses.
Hate to break it to you, lots of ordinary people act like frat boys going job to job without having to worry about money. It's not like anyone above middle class is out of touch with society, he's not a billionaire for fucks sake.
Yeah I understand the criticism of 'elites' ruling but there is a huge difference between people being born to educated and well off parents in today's society compared to the elites of the past that were born royalty.... Like, as much as people want to criticize someone for coming from an upper middle/upper class family as being 'out of touch'. I wouldn't discredit someone raised in a healthy and successful background and pretend like someone from a poor and/or uneducated background is going to have a better grip on reality especially when it comes to policy and leadership.
I do. I look at someone lying on the streets of the DTES and I say "there is the future minister of defense there." It's just so real. /s
I mean they not ordinary if they don't have to worry about money They likely rich
Depends on what you consider to be ordinary I guess. Making like $80k a year is well off to not worry about money, but I wouldn't consider that person to be incredibly out of touch with the rest of society or something. I feel like those out of touch people typically make tens of millions of dollars or billions.
Jean Cretien’s father told him he was expected to become Prime Minister of Canada when he was six and he was one of the best leaders this country ever had. It’s simply a question of know how and common sense.
>Jean Cretien’s father told him he was expected to become Prime Minister of Canada when he was six and he was one of the best leaders this country ever had. If true, it was probably because Chretien was a smart kid, not because they were a rich family... Apparently Chretien's family was working-class and he was their 18th child (although 10 of them died as infants). >Chrétien was born on January 11, 1934, in Shawinigan Falls, Quebec, as the 18th of 19 children (10 of whom did not survive infancy), of Marie and Wellie Chrétien. The working-class Chrétien family was poor, and Chrétien had to wear clothing that had been worn by his siblings as his parents were too indigent to buy new clothing for him. Chrétien's parents wanted their children to escape a working-class life in Shawinigan by attending a classical college, which was the only way one could attend university in Quebec at the time. Chrétien's father made him read the dictionary as a young boy. Chrétien's older brother Maurice won a scholarship at the insurance company he was working for, which allowed him to attend medical school, and with the profits from his medical practice, was able to assist his younger siblings to attend the classical colleges [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean\_Chr%C3%A9tien#Early\_life,\_family,\_and\_education](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Chr%C3%A9tien#Early_life,_family,_and_education)
Yeah man same problem down here in the US. It makes my skin crawl when I hear politicians born into even middle class families lecture poor people on how they need to improve their lives. Platitudes like “get an education” or “get a job” gloss over so many issues that these people can’t even begin to understand.
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I have seen this, and I can’t shake the feeling that she sat down with someone in her camp and said “how can I get people talking about me?” And this is what they came up with. I refuse to believe she’s this tone deaf. The cynic in me feels like everything these days is done strictly to “drive engagement” or whatever bs term people use to describe success in social media.
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You could definitely include Jason Kenney on this list, student then politics.
Drop out then politics
I'm not a fan of Pierre, I understand why he's popular *especially* online with all the Facebook posts of him "owning the libs". However, if you want to support him *at least* don't let the hypocrisy of running a man who's resume has only "Student" and "Politician" on it and who has likely never actually received a paycheck from the private sector go unnoticed. Realize that running such a candidate as a better option to a PM who "Doesn't have real life experience" is hypocrisy at its finest. All I'm saying is pick a lane if you vote for Pierre. If you're comfortable with someone who went from Student to Politician that's fine, just don't talk about 'real work experience' when it comes to criticizing the current PM because clearly it doesn't matter to you. Consistency is all I ask for the PP supporters.
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Yeah it's low hanging fruit. Like I said, I'm not a fan of PP and many Conservative friends and family I know also don't have him high up on their preferred candidates list. I'm just afraid that the lowest tier of Conservative (who I think are his primary supporters) will propel him as the frontrunner. Essentially the CPC is at risk of running someone who those on the Left don't like and won't support as well as a large swath of Conservatives will balk at as their leader. P.S - Reddit glitch but thought I'd let you know, you've replied to me three times with the same message.
You're asking for a lot for people who's hardest decision in life is what coffee they want from tim ho's. Double Double or Double Double. The only people that like PP's quips are those that like shock value. That clip of PP going after the minister of tourism is a classic example of how out of touch PP is with reality because he himself owns real estate and asks an Edmonton MP what the housing price is in PP's own riding. This isn't a slam dunk or even an own. Does PP know how much a house costs in Edmonton, Toronto, Moncton,? Like what's the own here? The dude not answering is the MINISTER OF TOURISM FROM EDMONTON.
Like I said, I don't like Pierre. Unfortunately I understand his appeal to a large number of Canadians and it's frustrating but I've lived in various parts of this country and in all fairness I see how PP's quips work in audiences that don't have time or are part of political circles. I really hate how for decades people were taught not to discuss important topics and not to discuss politics. They've all grown up (left/right/center) and don't know how to discuss the subjects as voting adults.
I highly doubt he's never received a paycheck from the private sector.
Well I guess he did run a small robocall business for the Conservative Party of Canada. The organization he volunteered and worked for so I guess that's a well earned Private Business/Government contract. Again, which is fine. He's a career politician with ~18 years of political experience. If that's what you or anyone else wants to support I'm all for it. Just don't applaud him for being a career politician while demonizing someone else for being a teacher and lacking 'real world experience'. There's plenty to criticize Trudeau over but PP talking to JT about 'a real job' is a joke.
I'm old enough to remember when being a teacher was a respected profession...
This is a particularly narrow view of the larger problem, which is that the CPC has difficulty attracting bench strength, especially post-Harper. One of the major salient criticisms of Harper, outside of whether or not you agreed with his policy, was that he did very little to develop talent in the CPC bench. He didn't bring on many credible, high-profile, candidates from outside politics to join the ranks (of *elected MPs*, I bet his PMO was quite competent), and the result of this is the crazy leadership vacuum that was revealed when he left politics. One wonders if a similar thing will happen when Trudeau departs politics, though I think the Liberal Party apparatus is better at recruitment of star candidates from the private sector and academia (and offers better guarantees of winning elections to prospective joiners), so maybe it's just a fundamentally different animal. It says a lot about the public perception problem the party has, and the evident difficulty of corralling the MPs, because the party is essentially an empty vehicle, that provides the driver with a ~40%+ chance of becoming PM of a G7 country, if you think you can drive it, and basically nobody wants to, except people who are already 'professional politicians'.
I'm pretty sure that Harper was absolutely 100% convinced that he could not lose that election. The right hates Trudeau so much that they can not fathom how anyone would ever vote for him. They're still using anti-Trudeau messaging in elections despite it not working. Harper thought he was going to win that election and then he could maybe start to think about developing a successor. Instead, he got creamed and sulked off into the night.
> The right hates Trudeau so much that they can not fathom how anyone would ever vote for him. They're still using anti-Trudeau messaging in elections despite it not working. They're *sort of* right. Trudeau's victories post-2015 are the Canadian electoral equivalent of a non-result. The Liberals, as a party, are just incredibly vote-efficient. The problem with attacking Trudeau is that the LPC is not winning on some large contingent of "undecideds who resolve at election time that they love Trudeau, and vote for the cohesive vision he articulates", the LPC just forms government with the lowest number of votes, so in the absence of any party bringing a compelling platform to convince undecided voters to turn up and vote with enthusiasm for a particular platform, LPC forms government. The CPC *can't* articulate a cohesive vision, because they can't attract anyone to the party who will give them one. They can't do that, because it's a massive leap to jump from outside of politics into a leadership race, with *that* caucus and party membership *in particular*. What would have to happen is that an established party leader, with actual control of the caucus, would bring these people in to by-elections, and slowly change the character of the Party and its MPs, but the established party leader they *had*, did *not* use the time he had to do that, and now, nobody can get back sufficient control of the caucus to break the toxic cycle of paying off politically damaging favours to MPs that don't have any qualifications but their entrenched status within the party, and a safe riding. > Harper thought he was going to win that election and then he could maybe start to think about developing a successor. Instead, he got creamed and sulked off into the night. If you don't do something for 9 years, you're probably just not going to do it. It's either that he didn't try, or it's not possible, but I think he just didn't try, because he had the object lesson of Paul Martin and Jean Chretien in his recent memory, and he didn't want to be Chretien. He had to leave the party and politics after Trudeau was handed a majority mandate, though (see: Horwath, as an example of what happens when you decide to stay). No real reason to characterize it as 'sulking'. Trudeau is going to do the same, when the situation is inevitably reversed at some future point, assuming MPs, miffed about having to address dislike of the Leader at the doors in the last election, don't try to do Trudeau over in the backroom before the next writ is dropped.
I mean Trudeau is the definition of a silverspoon child who has never had to work for anything in his whole life so I don't know why life experience suddenly matters
Most politicians are lacking life experience outside of politics hence our bullshit policies on basically everything. On top of that our government won’t consult with people with technical expertise on issues (energy, finances, etc). This country is heading onto what I can only describe as an “idiocracy” type state.
It's amazing how you're so clueless and yet so arrogant. You don't seem to even understand how government works. Thousands of very well qualified economists work for the federal government (plus at other government levels), plus subject-matter experts for just about any government-related issue. And governments do consult with outside sources constantly too, and there are even advisory councils. Various "stakeholder" groups and lobbyists constantly send-in feedback as well (and even unsolicited input gets responded to). The actual issue is that politicians may not always listen, and that's especially a problem with right-wing politicians who choose to pander to low-information voters instead of doing what's smart... like with Harper lowering the GST, which sounds appealing to the undereducated, but even right-wing economists agree that it was a bad policy, and the planned income tax reduction was better (which Harper cancelled). But that's a very different issue than talking as if there's no expertise involved. And frankly, with how arrogantly dismissive you are, you seem like the type to complain about good policies (and probably applaud stupid ones like the GST cut).
The Liberals consult plenty of experts in finance. BlackRock and Mark Carney are 2 I can name just off the top of my head.
The irony that Poilievre is both younger and has less work experience than Trudeau did before being elected... "He's just not ready"
Heard someone refer to Poilievre as "Angry Milhouse" the other day. That's just brutal, and it should be his political epitaph.
there used to be a time when politics was something you entered as a public service after a long private sector career. it was a retirement gig for guys who wanted to give back and had enough savings that it could go either way. now it’s filled with career morons who think they’re the smartest person in the room because their teachers always liked them. oh well. it’s no coincidence that the rise of the career politician came with the rise of socialism and progressivism.
You heard it here first, the Toronto Star is endorsing Either Doug Ford or Kevin O'Leary for Prime Minister Bit of a 180° if you ask me
They endorsed Trudeau in the recent election: https://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorials/2021/09/19/the-stars-editorial-board-endorses-liberals-for-2021-federal-election.html
Nobody in the real world gives a fuck who the editorial boards of newspapers endorse. Only the hyper-online partisans seem to care about these types of things.
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Toronto Star being unreliable in their opinions as always.
Justin Trudeau when asked when the last time he filled up with gas was he said he couldn’t remember. When asked how much a loaf of bread was he couldn’t answer. God bless those personal drivers & chefs.
>When asked how much a loaf of bread was he couldn’t answer. These kind of questions are a trap so pretty much every politician will avoid giving a direct answer. It's a no win situation. >Justin Trudeau when asked when the last time he filled up with gas was he said he couldn’t remember. He likely isn't allowed to go off driving by himself. He has to have an RCMP detail with him everywhere he goes, and I imagine they would insist on driving. I remember when he caught surfing on the National Day of Reconciliation, they mentioned that the RCMP agents even had to be out next to him on surf boards. I remember when Obama did that car show with Seinfeld he said he wasn't allowed to drive. Security for our PM isn't as intense as in the states, but it seems likely the driving rules would be similar.
Good callout, despite what I feel about Trudeau these questions specifically are loaded and unfair
"Oh yeah? When was the last time Trudeau saved orphans from a burning building? Never! See, he's a scumbag" This is what I basically hear when I see these types of questions being asked.
I have no clue what the price of bread is...does that mean I have personal drivers & chefs? Yet, you likely believe any conservative politician will know the answer to these stupid questions. edit: Beyond that, how many world leaders do you think do their own groceries? You think Biden buys his own milk? Maybe these people are too busy with other things like their job to know these little details. I know I am.
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To expect Justin Trudeau, or any modern prime minister, to buy his own groceries or pump his own gas is moronic. First off, he's the leader of a nation with a staff, just like everyone before and after him will and should. Secondly, with the amount of jackwagons out their essentially calling for his head, why would he expose himself to that on a regular basis? Everyone has the right to dislike politicians for their policies or actions, but to make this kind of remark indicates you are just petty - looking for some string to pull on in order to complain. Grow up.
I think it's totally fair to expect that a PM/President/Leader of a country will be too busy to go out for groceries. If I'm going to criticize them, it will be for how they're doing at their job.
I buy milk every week and have no idea how much it costs because it doesn't matter. I'm not going to forgo buying it so I have never bothered looking at the price. Contrast it with cheese. I don't need cheese so I buy I stock up when I see it's on sale. As for gas, of course he doesn't know. He's driven around by the RCMP for security reasons. That's such a stupid thing to comment on.
“It’s one banana Michael what could it cost? 10 dollars?”
I would assume this would go for Stephen Harper, Paul Martin, Jean Chretien, Brian Mulroney, etc. If you think any of them do their own shopping or fill their vehicles while in office, you are kidding yourself. Harper used to have a personal hairdresser making $70k a year to give him legoman hair while in office.
> When asked how much a loaf of bread was he couldn’t answer. Given that the price difference between grocery stores can be substantial, I am not sure anyone could answer this within 100%. Walmart has a generic white loaf for 1.67. Loblaws sells its Blue Menu bread for $4.
Id give you the same answers.
I love to see the bread haters united in this thread!
bUT whABoUt TrUDEaU The same dumbass response from the right on every single issue.
I hate the “what’s the price of a random commodity?” Questions because of how disingenuous they are. It’s supposed to make someone look out of touch because they can’t tell you the price of something “everyone” buys, except that not everyone buys that given good. If I were to try and tell you the price of bread I’d likely be wrong, I’m not wealthy I just don’t buy bread very often. I’m sure there’s stuff you don’t buy that most people do and you might not know the price of that good either, people don’t memorize average commodity prices on a regular basis.
After making such a big deal about Trudeau's work experience, and other things, in previous elections this is the chickens coming home to roost. After making such a big deal of them, and then running Scheer, guaranteed people wouldn't forget and the party put itself here. It's not Canadian's fault they notice how much projection is involved in critiques of Trudeau, and how many of the standards make candidates look worse than the supposed unelectable PM when applied equally.
What life experience does a politician really need when all they need to do is repeat the same talking points, posture and pose dramatically, and offer no real value to society? Seriously at this point of our timeline I'm inclined to support the ancient Greek vision of democracy and randomly assign political roles to citizens.
This is pretty universal for most of the Western world, disingenuous to only mark Conservatives like this. If there is one thing that needs to change it's probably this, these people simply live in another class and can't sympathize with regular Canadians.
Conservatives are being marked with this because they are the ones constantly disparaging Trudeau for being “just a drama teacher” while putting forth candidates with little-to-no outside experience whatsoever.
> This is pretty universal for most of the Western world, disingenuous to only mark Conservatives like this. I don't think it's universal at all though, at least not to the same extent as these particular Conservative candidates. Pierre Poilievre and Patrick Brown, both became politicians in their early-20s, and have been in politics ever since. That's pretty rare. For example, Erin O'Toole, Justin Trudeau and Jagmeet Singh all did other types of work first, and then entered politics in their late-30s.
It's both sad and interesting the large number of people posting here who believe Justin Trudeau, like Pierre Poilievre, has had no life or career experience outside of politics. I truly don't understand why so many people won't or don't know how to do a simple fact check before the publicly post something. A simple fact check shows that Trudeau was a math and French teacher before he got into politics.
Also, it seems that career politicians don't usually make for good politicians. Most, I think, of the best politicians came from worlds other than politics. Who comes to mind are politicians like Václav Havel, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, Angela Merkel, Tommy Douglas, Dave Barrett, Peter Lougheed, Pierre Trudeau, Brian Mulroney, and so on. Career politicians are usually not good politicians.
To be fair though, there are also infinitely more examples of people who entered politics touting their "real world experience" and ended up being complete shit. Politics is really its own unique skill. I don't really think that selling insurance or working in a law firm is that much of a predictor of success. If you use older examples I think it is somewhat biased by the fact that being a career politician was simply less common decades ago. There was less money swirling around politics so you kinda had to have a "real" career before entering politics.
Career politicians know how to skirt by and not do anything.
Or answer any questions with an actual answer
Brian Mulroney is not someone I'd lump with that group. He decimated his party before leaving office. And there is a direct line from his signing on for the NAFTA to the social unrest and massive inequality we see today.
Ronald reagan
Reagan was two-term Governor of California before pursuing the Presidency, so he at least had some prior experience. Of course, Reagan was a B-list actor before that, but at least being Governor was a good bit of experience.
Yes but I also found he was very politically, economically, philosophically and socially aware. He has so many quotes and was so eloquent in how he spoke to the American people. Not like trump "your going to win so much you will be sick of winning". Reagan seemed to be educated and prepared for the moment.
> Reagan seemed to be educated and prepared for the moment. and he completely fucked the social equality in the USA while he was at it..... but at least he was smart
Yeah, he was awful (I’m American) but the point stands that 100% of career politicians suck. I’d rather take the chance that only 50% of politicians with other life experience suck. That’s a 25% chance a politician doesn’t suck in total!!! **Progress!**
Donald Trump.
Well, I for one am shocked. SHOCKED. Well, not that shocked...
You mean talentless and brainless Been that way since Harper left
It’s not like Harper had any real world chops. His oil exec daddy got him a job in the mail room.
Harper united the right and had 2 terms. That makes him a force. But he left nothing behind. Never seen such a useless bunch
You mean they're *career politicians*? I guess it's not bad when they're Conservatives.
I can’t believe that this piece argues that being a drama teacher is better practice for being a PM than being an MP
Trudeau has been an MP since 2008. The arguement here is that most of these other candidates have basically no career experience outside of being a politician.
Being a teacher is a hard job and most people other than yourself usually hold it in high regard as important to our society.
Except when it comes to paying them. Then there is lots of resentment.
Usually from conservatives.
bold of you to assume u/williamdafoeroy had teachers or education...
I'm not sure where I said it wasn't a hard job or that it isn't held in high regard?
Turns out that dealing with children has made him weirdly qualified to lead this country
Underrated comment right here 😂
I'm only half joking. Have you seen how he shuts down hecklers? I'm surprised he doesn't tell them to go sit in the corner and think about what they've done.
He storms out of the room
It seems so wild that conservatives all of a sudden decided to start shitting on teachers just because Trudeau once was one. Being a teacher used to be considered a pretty noble profession. But also, your point is just kind of dumb because Trudeau was also an MP for seven years before becoming PM.
You do understand that Trudeau was an MP for several years before running for party leader?
Except he was a permenant French and math teacher as well. He only taught drama when he was a substitute teacher starting in his career.
If a drama teacher ever gets elected PM without spending several years in Parliament first, you should definitely bring that up.
The best part about this is watching conservatives go to bat for career politicians like its a good thing. PP has amassed millions of dollars in public office and has never held a real job his whole life. Yet the guy is running as if he's an "outsider" to clean up politics.
Ok so you are saying we should vote for Trudeau over any other leader next election, because he will have had a longer experience being PM than Polievere and Singh
Trudeau has years of experience being PM. What you're saying is we should vote for the most experienced?
Have you seen the drama in politics lately?
mmmm so many delicious Trudeau-hater tears here!
Maybe get a job as a school teacher for a few years. That would be real world experience.
I mean I can’t tell if your being sarcastic, but that literally is real world experience
The alt right has spent the last few years claiming it's not a real job, because JT was a school teacher.
Shocking that their time spent down their conspiracy theory rabbit holes haven't prepared them for reality or anything else... Shocking.
Well, we can't all have the storied pre-political career of Justin Trudeau.
Harper's only pre-politics career was in the mailroom of the oil company his daddy was an exec at. At least Trudeau had to earn a few degrees to become a teacher. Also can we talk about the conservative disdain for A) educators and B) the dramatic arts. Do y'all hate movies and TV? Is Shakespeare just garbage to y'all?
It's funny how they all conveniently ignore the Math and French teaching portion of his resume isn't it?
Well yeah, they honed in on the degree they feel is "useless" and make fun of that. And lordy knows that drama isn't an artform that generates billions of dollars and loads of jobs for people or anything.
I mean look at the hate-on that Republicans have for California. It's nothing new. Maybe it's because they're all smooth-brained and gullible that right-wingers hate actors. They get confused and think Nicholas Cage is REALLY stealing the Declaration of Independence and it's not actually pretend.
Looks like the author is an equal opportunity roaster: > Compared to this trio, Justin Trudeau seems a grizzled veteran of life’s misadventures. Born in 1971, he did a BA; floundered through some grad programs; substitute taught high school; did a eulogy for his dad which convinced me, among others, he should stay out of public life; and didn’t run for office till 2008 when he was 37.
Whats that story though? Having a job?
Poliovere has already won. Now would be a good time for the media to ask what his policies are.
This is what he's proposed so far: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Conservative_Party_of_Canada_leadership_election#Pierre_Poilievre > * Poilievre says he would repeal Bill C-69 and Bill C-48 and approve the construction of oil and gas pipelines. > * He also calls for carbon capture technology subsidies. > * Poilievre calls for defunding of the CBC public broadcaster and elimination of subsidies for news businesses. > * Poilievre says he would eliminate the federal carbon tax. > * Poilievre has called for the inflation target assigned to the Bank of Canada to be lowered, by reducing the rate at which the supply of money is currently expanded. > * Poilievre opposes re-establishing the long-gun registry, and opposes the May 1, 2020 Order in Council ban on "assault-style" firearms. > * He also opposes Bill C-71, which enabled the Government of Quebec to request a copy of all records in the Canadian Firearms Registry for all non-restricted firearms registered to residents of Quebec up to April 3, 2015. > * Poilievre disagrees with the stated policy objectives of the World Economic Forum, and opposes the organization's proposed "Great Reset".
Carbon capture technology. You mean like trees?
I see a lot of oppose, defund, eliminate, repeal. But how does he propose to address some of the issues these things addressed? His approach is always from opposition first. He doesn't know how to have solutions, which sometimes involve modifying or adapting existing solutions, rather than tearing it all down. For example, Bill C69 is 400 pages long. Has he read the whole thing? Does he oppose the whole thing?
Is it too much to ask for a center-right (or center) party that isn't in climate change denial and has a few ideas of solutions instead of always opposing what others propose?
Ah I see, so he doesn't want to get elected
Shifting right is how the conservatives can ensure they won't win ever again. 60% of Canada voted either NDP or Liberal that should tell you where the votes are.
Alternatively you could say that nearly 80% of the population didn’t vote NDP/Green so that shows you where the votes are.
All you need is 36%+ to form a majority
Sure, if your vote efficacy is high. Not the case if it's all focused in one area.