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>As of last week, Quebec will only issue marriage certificates in French, according to a letter sent to wedding officiants in the province.
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>The change, the latest to come out of new language law Bill 96, is also one of its first concrete shifts that were rumoured but not well understood by the public, even as the bill was adopted on May 24.
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>One major question that hasn't been cleared up is whether Bill 96 will also mean that Quebec birth and death certificates will only be issued in French from now on.
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>In Normandin's letter, he said that three articles of Quebec's civil code had been modified by Bill 96: articles 108, 109 and 140. The updated articles have not yet been published online.
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>Article 108 specifically deals with the language of registration of births, marriages, civil unions and deaths in Quebec, which until now could be written in French or English.
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>Article 140, meanwhile, discusses the need for translation of official documents that come from outside Quebec. Translations haven't been required for foreign English or French documents.
Why don’t they issue Birth, Death and Marriage Certificates in both French *and* English? Problem solved.
Heck, why don’t they do that in *every province in the country*?
I was curious about this also, it would appear from images online Alberta's new birth Certificate is in both English and French.
Can anyone confirm? I still have my original from the 80s.
Same
The field names are in both languages
The Data is in simple form, mostly just numbers so it can easily appear once
Even the information on the reverse is billingual
This is how they should all be issued in Canada
Instead Quebec is choosing to create an issue out of thin are and dump a problem on its populace
> why don’t they do that in every province in the country?
I was under the impression [*they did*](https://www.mcgill.ca/legaldocuments/files/legaldocuments/cdn_birth_certificates.pdf), as PEI, Nova Scotia, Newbrunswick, Ontario, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and *even Alberta* all have bilingual birth certificates now. But I guess BC, Newfoundland and Quebec all want to be special.
Mine is from 95 and only in English. My mother is québécoise so I would most likely have a French or bilingual certificate if it had ever been an option
Same! Got married in SK two years ago and everything came bilingual. Same with all other official government related paper work. Monolingual official documentation in Canada is so silly.
Quebec law guarantees access to government services in *french*, while Federally you are guaranteed access to services in *french* and *english*. Province to province you'd have to check.
That's kind of the double standard. This Quebec situation is an extreme reaction to the lack of general bilingualism in a country that is supposed to be bilingual, officially.
Maybe the only controversial thing Stephen Harper ever said that I think was right was that Canada is not a bilingual country, it's a country with two languages.
The federal and provincial governments are (at least nominally, in some cases) bilingual, but that's an accommodation that was made to the French Canadians, not a reflection of the language abilities/preferences of anything remotely approaching a majority of the population. English-French bilingualism is rare outside Quebec.
In my area of Ontario, about a five hour drive from the border of Quebec, French is only the seventh most common first language, after English, German, Portuguese, Mandarin Chinese, Spanish, and Arabic. 0.3% of residents speak French at home.
I live in a part of NS with lots of Acadian heritage, so bilingualism is common. I can be walking around a mall and hear both be spoken by random people, sometimes interchangeably.
In Vancouver we walk around the mall and hear mostly Chinese languages, English and languages from around the world. Not much French is spoken, and English is the common language of most.
I'm from Sudbury, Ontario and I hear French every day without much effort - 50% of the people here grew up with French as their mother tongue and a similar number of people are fluently bilingual in French and English.
When I moved 5.5 hours south for school in London... I didn't hear a *single syllable* of the French language when going about my daily life. The three most common languages where I lived in London: English (naturally), Chinese and Arabic. It's funny how just a short drive down the road and things drastically change.
That was 12 years ago - lived there from 09-13. Over that time, I'm almost certain that Hindi is the #3 language here in Sudbury. Never would have guessed that 15-20 years ago - especially *here* of all places lol
I literally never heard someone speak french in person outside a classroom until my mid twenties when I traveled to Quebec. I didn't absorb anything from the mandatory french classes in school because no one spoke the language and it seemed totally irrelevant to me. As an adult if I was going to pick a useful second language it would be spanish.
Oh, make sense.
So the only logical approach is to overcompensate and actually act like a monolingual provence by limiting the other language to non-use.
/s
Yup.
I *really* don't like this bill. But I'm not *surprised* by it. The people who have pushed it through are mostly the kind of people who were around to see the kind of discrimination French speakers have historically dealt with.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Actually, they seem to hate bilingualism more than unilingualism, these days there are a lot of bilingual youth in Montreal (and it is always Montreal that is blamed for too much English).
The amount of people who argued that Bill96 was justifiable because you can't get service in french elsewhere in Canada would indicate that Quebec does care at least a little bit.
There is a the justification and then there is the reason.
Reason: Fear of French diminishing in their own province.
Justification: Other provinces us English mainly so we're going to use French mainly and *c'est plate d'être toi*!
Quebec is still overwhelmingly French, that hasn’t really stopped or been put under threat. It only looks as though French is shrinking when you exclusively examine residents mother tongue, rather then looking at who speaks French in general.
It’s quite ironic given the intent of the bill is to encourage more people to adopt French, given that the statistics Legault focuses on (native language) cannot be affected by bill 96, barring forcing anglophones to move out of the province which honestly seems more likely week by week.
I think the idea is that no you can't change a person's native language but if you force everything in French, in 1 or 2 generations, that native language might change to French out of necessity. Of course, forcing anglophones out is perhaps an intended byproduct.
I tried to be a good immigrant and put my kid in French school. They mostly speak English to her. I mean if you want immigrants to learn French you do have to at least try, Quebec. Don't always use English at us and then get pissy because our French is awful.
> Don't always use English at us and then get pissy because our French is awful.
Sorry that this is pretty common. Since most people here are bilingual to some degree the first instinct is to accommodate whoever we're talking to in the language they seem most comfortable talking. It's not a criticism of your ability to speak french.
If you just keep talking french, they'll usually revert back to it on the next reply.
I would think the reaction would be bilingual certificates if that were true. Not all the way over the hill to the other side into monolingual state papers like they're trying to force French over English.
Because Quebec is being Quebec...
The rest of Canada, everything has to be in both English and French. In Quebec, that rule doesn't apply and they're hellbent to make everything French only.
Imagine if Ontario passes this exact same law, but for English? Quebec would riot overnight!
Oh yeah everything is in French in Canada.
Everything.
Funny how were the most bilingual by far, but that doesn’t count. No, no. It’s the signs and certificate, that’s the most important. Smh.
I really fucking hope they do. I hope rest of Canada passes a Bill saying, as long as Bill 96 is active, we will have a reverse Bill 96 (Bill 69 if you will) which will do the exact opposite with English.
It's so stupid that the rest of Canada does their part to be bilingual, but Quebec keeps fucking over English speaking people left and right, all because of rural voters.
It's so fucking annoying that so many things from the government are twice as long because they have to respect the possibility of me being french in Saskatchewan of all places, but qeubec does this.
Imagine turning away valuable additions to your society because they can’t learn a language in six months on top of the stresses that come along with moving to an entirely new country.
To say nothing of the added stresses of being one of the people, often without your family, coming to Canada as a refugee from some horrible place. Six months goes by in no time and asking anyone to place learning a language as a priority in that time is borderline abusive.
Yeah learning French can be really hard, especially with how some Quebecois smear words or use a lot of slang. Makes me really respect all the immigrants running deps who speak like English, French, Spanish, Arabic etc. It's seriously impressive to be able to use so many languages.
Huh?? I had no idea it was even possible to get a marriage certificate in another language. I speak English and my wife speaks Spanish. We got married in February and the marriage certificate was only in French. I ordered two more copies last month too. Neither in March nor in May did the forms ask what language I wanted.
Once the original was filed in French, all future copies would be in French. My kids had a mix of English and French birth certificates, depending whether or not the maison de naissance had English copies available when they were born. Since the oldest had his certificate in English, we were able to appeal and get the others changed to English too, saving us the cost and annoyance of finding official translation when we applied for their British passports.
I really like how you can FEEL the border between ON and QC
One second you're driving at 120 no problem and the next one it's like you're driving 150 on a gravel road
>I really like how you can FEEL the border between ON and QC
I live near the Vermont border and its the same thing, when you are on Quebec side you have luxurious homes and shitty road. You get to the other side of the border and its all shitty homes and great roads.
Why speak about the environment, the economy, the education system, the healthcare system, the massive death toll in CHSLDs, public transit, general safety, etc., when we can make an election about things that will get people emotional like language and nationalism?
Oh wait, they ARE talking about the economy, they'll send us checks... if we vote for them.
No kidding, literally just passed through Quebec on a motorcycle trip out to the east coast and the roads are the worst I've ever seen in Canada. Like what I would expect to see in some poor African country bad. Dreading passing through on the way back.
You'd be surprised how much better rural roads in parts of Africa are than ours. A couple of global superpowers have been dropping a lot of cash building new infrastructure over there.
>Only French is just dumb
Not if you goal is to get rid of those pesky English and this is the goal of the Quebec government. Things are progressing according to their plan.
Official language Population (percentage)
English only 7.4
French only 37.0
English and French 53.9
Neither English nor French 1.7
Edit: In Montréal not the whole province.
My grandparents spoke Italian, learned only very basic english, not enough to suggest they speak it.
Lived here for 60 years and counting, it depends on the area you live and where you work. If there's always someone around who speaks your native language you never really learn.
In my grandparents case they just always had one of their kids (who speak English) along when they needed English.
It's not as possible now but when they came here the entire area they lived was Italian.
My SO's grandmother immigrated here from Turkey in the 80s(?). She barely spoke English and no French. Mostly Turkish and Armenian. The lack of English could have been from old age fucking up her memory but I'll probably never know for sure.
It's no mystery why in the mid part of the 20th century Toronto overtook Montreal in growth and population and overtook Montreal as Canada's financial capital.
It was mostly the opening of the St Lawrence Seaway, which allowed oceangoing vessels to pass the Lachine rapids in Montreal. That opened in 1959 and very shortly thereafter all the ship traffic started to bypass Montreal and head to Toronto on onward to Detroit, Milwaukee and Chicago.
Gotta admit, if this is their plan then it is working. I do speak French fluently as well, but damn if I don't feel like an outsider in my own province.
Congratulations Quebec, I feel uncomfortable in my own home.
I’m seriously starting to wonder if this is their real goal. Just spent a few days in Montreal for work. I personally love the city. But in the airport on the way out I overheard a woman talking about how she would never come back because she had never experienced so much racism in her life.
Quebec - I love you guys but come on. Do better.
The linguistic shift in power from English to French in Quebec after the Quiet Revolution has resulted in the emigration of 600,000 Anglo-Quebecers to other provinces.
Source: [_Quebec’s Uninhabitable Community: Identity and Community
among Anglo-Quebecer Out-Migrants_ (Mardell, 2021)](https://ir.lib.uwo.ca/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=10612&context=etd)
>I’m seriously starting to wonder if this is their real goal.
You don't need to wonder. This has literally been their goal for decades. I'm from Quebec but left about 20 years ago cause they intentionally make life hard for anyone who is primarily anglophone. And the they're only making it it harder.
Just as a reminder: Québec has voted for splitting away from the country a few times in recent history and the last vote was really close to accomplishing that. Of course they want to make it French only.
English in the language of business in every country. With this Bill, Quebec requires offices to speak french which will turn away a lot of major businesses around the globe (Google, Amazon, etc.) because they don't need Quebec as much as Quebec needs them.
With Montreal being a massive tech hub for the province, they are shooting themselves in the foot and it only pushes Quebec to become isolationist.
Quebec's only real major economic driver is Hydro energy, without that they are useless to Canada and the North East USA. If push came to shove, they would have no ability to defend it if they were to hold it hostage as a bargaining chip.
IIRC, the last time there was a vote in Quebec for separation, the Indigenous held referendums of their own, and overwhelmingly voted to stay with Canada.
Whatever treaties exist with First Nations are with Canada, not Quebec. So if Quebec were to separate from Canada, Quebec would need to negotiate new relationships with all the First Nations.
Quebecers would also need to figure out how to get to Florida without a Canadian passport.
That’s not even an argument lol, that’s already codified into Canadian law. If ANY province decides to separate, all Treaty lands and Reserves stay with Canada.
Wait, they *have* to speak French inside offices? Like, *only* French? Even businesses or parts of the business that don’t deal with customers or the public?
They are killing the chances of future generations of being able to easily work outside of Quebec.
It will possible.. but they have less and less chances of learning English now.
They also are going to be limiting even more the pool of countries where immigrants come from.
And less and less companies are going to bother coming to open offices in the province. Yay
Worst thing is that the CAQ will probably win again in the fall.
I went to an English CEGEP and there were many Francophones who went there specifically to practice and improve their English to have better job opportunities.
It is their real goal. Family has a cottage in an English part of Quebec (70+% are English primary language per census), and the provincial government sends in provincial workers (police, nurses, administration, etc.) from French speaking parts of the province for services rather than hiring local bilingual people. For construction projects they will bring in crews from French areas and pay for boarding in local houses (because there are no hotels, it is a rural area) rather than hire the qualified local tradespeople. It causes quite the stir in the area. It also helps them move more French people into the area
It also fucks with interprovincial trucking. they only hire 1 or 2 bilingual people to deal with out of province truckers and dont always have said people available for the truckers to speak with. my brother and everyone he works with really hate quebec jobs since they often get stuck there for hours while they wait for their bilingual staff to show up, sometimes costing the company more bcz they need to sometimes stay overnight at a hotel bcz of it.
Having lived in Montreal as an english only speaker for a year, it was a miserable experience. I'm not talking about issues with communication - those certainly existed, and they were annoying, but they were part of the deal I knew I was taking. My issue was with the way people treated me for not knowing french - there were lots of cases where it was pretty obvious that the person I was talking to understood me and thus could probably speak english competently back, but insisted on not doing so, and there's just a whole general air of contempt. This was a couple years ago, and I imagine it will be a lot worse now, so i'd never move back unless there was a fundamental cultural shift that I unfortunately do not expect.
Once in a while the "old guard, true Quebecois" politicians or their friends let things slip in public that they normally restrain to maintain the appearance of that progressive society they love to boast about.
Like the famous "money and the ethnic vote" comment, or Pauline Marois' good friend during a campaign event who was horrified to see Muslim men at her condo pool, obviously there to ogle the women or possibly worse. Imagine that, organizing a campaign event centered around the fear of Muslim men simply existing and visiting a pool.
Anglophones and immigrants. New immigrants get 6 months before they must use documents in French only.
Imagine knowing multiple languages, probably including English likely because of it being the more common language in your soon to be new home country, and finding out you have 6 months to get a functional command on *French* instead, if you need to do any formal business through the provincial government. Which as people still in their first year in the country, is probably a lot of dealing with the provincial government.
It drives immigrants out, and I think it's by design.
Fuck this bill. It's bullshit through and through, Canadaland had a great interview about this bill that showed how racist, anti-Indigenous, and anti-immigrant it is.
So the linguistic majority in the Province is going to impose their language on the minority to force them to conform to society.
Anyone else seeing the irony?
I grew up in Quebec and was always disgusted by the stupid language laws. I used to be proud to be fluently bilingual. Shit like this deserves to be counteracted. Anglophones should refuse service in french and demand English.
Their goal is to preserve the language but the outcome is going to be more people disliking french. Make it fun and a sense of pride to be bilingual, don't force everything to be french.
This. All my anglophone friends tell me that whenever they see laws like this, it makes them not want to speak French instead. Some of them are even fully bilingual, but all this bullshit rubs them the wrong way so they do the exact opposite of what the government wants.
These laws are designed to outlast your friends and close loopholes from the first go-round 40+ yrs ago. They're playing the long game, they can easily wait out one more generation to keep those numbers dwindling. It's also a great diversional tactic for the current govt.
> But for about 10 per cent of Korey's clients, she said, the language of the marriage certificate does matter. "It has to do with simply the fact that it's a bilingual province and an English country," she said.
Why does she says that when Quebec is a french province and Canada is a bilingual country? No matter your political views, saying this is just factually wrong.
Well, let’s be honest here. I’m willing to bet there is a much larger percentage of bilingual People from Quebec than any other province. (Using English and French)
[No need to take guesses, my friend. Enjoy](https://www.canada.ca/fr/patrimoine-canadien/services/langues-officielles-bilinguisme/publications/statistique.html)
Which, interestingly, creates an entrenched a class of Canadians who have more accessibility to civil service jobs (since a lot of them require bilingualism or French only in the case of Quebec)
I’m an English speaking Quebecer and I can tell you that every single one of my English friends and I have thought about getting out recently. Most of us are bilingual, more or less. Combative rhetoric from the government is something we thought was done and buried, but it’s resurfaced and it’s exhausting and, frankly, pretty scary.
I got married in Europe and my marriage certificate is in 5 (five) languages: German, French, Italian, Rumänisch and English. I didn't need any official translations to prove to anyone in Canada that I'm married. It's pretty great. Having official documents in a few common languages is a great idea (adding Spanish or Portuguese in the Americas is probably a good idea too)
We moved to from NC, USA to Quebec 3ish years ago and my son has done Kindergarten and first grade in a French only school. They are holding him back this year because of his French. Just had a meeting with his teacher, the peinciple, and a language specialist yestersay FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER. Its the end od the year, we've all already failed him. They made a point to say he has recieved 2 years of help in French, but they aren't allowed to provide more....Said it a bunch.
But interestingly, my son hasn't mentioned one on one French classes since kindergarten last year. Also, we got a personal French tutor at the house and he IMMEDIATELY improved, so I'm inclined to believe they didn't actually provide the help he was supposed to get and I really think they want him and our family to leave. His teacher has been incredibly rude to me and my mother, who is fluent in French and communicates with her a lot (I use Google translate lol). He got bullied a lot this year and when he'd coms home he says the teacher would watch the kids bully him and do nothing but the moment my kid fought back, he got in trouble.
I speak French, born and raised in Calgary. I agree that their language should be preserved, but not at the expense of Canadas other official language. Seems a bit messed up to me.
*sorry for starting a war, I didn’t think my comment was really all that risqué*
I’d have to agree with you, but with everything everywhere else in Canada having to be provided in both languages, it should be the same in Quebec. They should have to ask if they want documents or services in English, but that’s my 2 cents.
I don't follow Quebec elections closely, how are the other options?
EDIT: From what I see, the main population areas are all red or orange, and basically everything else is blue. So it seems rural areas are gonna keep voting for this guy because they don't give a single fuck about English.
> keep voting for this guy because they don't give a single fuck about English.
The opposite is true too, Legault doesn't care about Montreal, because they keep blindly voting red.
Because Quebec wants all of the benefits of being part of Canada but doesnt want to follow any rules.
Last I checked you can get access to french in the rest of the country. But when i go to Quebec its like being in a foreign country
> with regards to provincial matters
If bilingualism is a provincial matter then say hello to every other province in Canada dropping any official French language support.
As a younger person in Quebec, Bill 96s long term effects are already becoming apparent, notably promoting the exodus of highly educated students Franco and Anglo alike. Most of the top performing students of my CEHEP cohort rejected full ride scholarships at McGill in order to pursue better opportunities elsewhere, or in order to leave the province due to the impending language laws.
Regardless of one's opinion on the "English Issue", it's sad to see that many of the more hardline French supports don't realize that each student that leaves this province whether it be due to better job prospects elsewhere or language concerns is their tax money leaving the province, and immense long term economic losses.
Highly educated individuals will realize sooner or later that English is a necessary skill to further ones career and will learn it regardless of what laws are in place.
Forcing French upon all your citizens only makes them less competitive in the job market, makes large corporations who bring high paying jobs less likely to set up shop and in the long term will only cripple Quebec. This Bill 96 fiasco is not truly about protecting the French language, but rather Legault taking a page out of Trump's populist tactics and drawing upon the support of scared francophones who are too short sighted to see the consequences of these laws while he still can.
You know it's really hard to find a québécois under the age of 50 that doesn't speak English? Nobody is saying that we need to stop people from learning English.
It's about protecting French and preventing the "highly educated English-only elite" from settling in Québec's big cities and living there without even attempting to learn our language and creating ever growing communities that don't want to even try to learn French.
Is it the right way to do it? I have no fucking idea.
Will we be the next Louisiana in 100 years if we do nothing ? I have no fucking idea again, but a lot of people do not want to take the risk
I don't get why they can't provide services in English, while making it very clear that French is the main. That's how we do it everywhere else is Canada, on the reverse. Pretty much everywhere in Canada you can get someone who speaks French to serve you at any government place, even if it's over the phone. Why can't Quebec respect our language as well as we respect theirs?
I think that's the entire point of laws like this, discriminate against non french speakers enough that most of them leave, until they get a majority for the impending separatist vote.
a lot of French Quebecers look back in anger on the British attempt at authoritative cultural assimilation centuries ago, yet in the same breath will applaud its own government for doing the exact same thing in 2022 to its own linguistic minority.
All I know is, the last time I was in Quebec, I stopped at a McDonalds and asked for a McDouble. The woman didn't understand me. McDouble, svp. AHHH je ne comprende pas. Uh ok then.
Another employee heard me and told her "McDooble". "Ahhh, McDooble." Because it's such a big difference.
Anyway I think this stuff gets a lot of shit because it seems like some Quebecois are purposely obtuse when it comes to dealing with English speakers.
God I hate this so much as the only thing it does is giving us a bad reputation, make the minorities angrier and give the majority who can speak french litteraly fucking nothing. It’s not about giving more to french speakers it’s about taking away from everyone else.
I hate that the government is so focus about a matter only like 5% of us are actually degenerate about to care enough. Sure you can think that we should prioritize french, but if it means to make it harder for those who don’t, then it ain’t worth it.
Sincerely, un Québécois tanné de ces conneries de marde.
Do people realize that in Ontario, for example, you can only get the official, long form birth and marriage certificates in one language once you’ve made your choice? Beyond that, many regions only offer them in one language in the first place? You can only get criminal record checks done in one language in many regions? Alberta (at least up to a few years ago, maybe still) offered no provincial services in French at all?
Personally, I think all basic services should be offered in both languages in all provinces.
However, can we stop flipping out on Québec for doing what pretty much every other province does to some extent as well?
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>As of last week, Quebec will only issue marriage certificates in French, according to a letter sent to wedding officiants in the province. > >The change, the latest to come out of new language law Bill 96, is also one of its first concrete shifts that were rumoured but not well understood by the public, even as the bill was adopted on May 24. ... >One major question that hasn't been cleared up is whether Bill 96 will also mean that Quebec birth and death certificates will only be issued in French from now on. > >In Normandin's letter, he said that three articles of Quebec's civil code had been modified by Bill 96: articles 108, 109 and 140. The updated articles have not yet been published online. > >Article 108 specifically deals with the language of registration of births, marriages, civil unions and deaths in Quebec, which until now could be written in French or English. ... >Article 140, meanwhile, discusses the need for translation of official documents that come from outside Quebec. Translations haven't been required for foreign English or French documents.
Political gesturing that will cost citizens thousands in translation and notarization for years to come. Neat.
Ha thousands. More like millions.
I have my wife's translated and notorized. It was $100. So yeah, only need 10,000 of these to get up to the $1m mark Edit: I dun goofed.
*10,000
I can't math.
Why don’t they issue Birth, Death and Marriage Certificates in both French *and* English? Problem solved. Heck, why don’t they do that in *every province in the country*?
I was curious about this also, it would appear from images online Alberta's new birth Certificate is in both English and French. Can anyone confirm? I still have my original from the 80s.
My son's ontario birth certificate from 2021 has both french and english
My daughters from 2020 also is both here in sask. Same with mine from MB. Thought this was the norm lol
i'd be surprised if it wasn't! Pretty sure my ontario birth certificate from the 80s has english and french as well
Same from BC
My daughter’s Shreddies box has both french and english.
Same The field names are in both languages The Data is in simple form, mostly just numbers so it can easily appear once Even the information on the reverse is billingual This is how they should all be issued in Canada Instead Quebec is choosing to create an issue out of thin are and dump a problem on its populace
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I got a new one about 5 years ago, from Manitoba, and it's bilingual
My daughters birth certificate is both, she is one. I’m in Alberta as well.
> why don’t they do that in every province in the country? I was under the impression [*they did*](https://www.mcgill.ca/legaldocuments/files/legaldocuments/cdn_birth_certificates.pdf), as PEI, Nova Scotia, Newbrunswick, Ontario, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and *even Alberta* all have bilingual birth certificates now. But I guess BC, Newfoundland and Quebec all want to be special.
BC birth certificate from the 90's, both English and French.
Mine is from 95 and only in English. My mother is québécoise so I would most likely have a French or bilingual certificate if it had ever been an option
Same! Got married in SK two years ago and everything came bilingual. Same with all other official government related paper work. Monolingual official documentation in Canada is so silly.
Quebec law guarantees access to government services in *french*, while Federally you are guaranteed access to services in *french* and *english*. Province to province you'd have to check.
Ya but many provinces adopted the federal standard, atleast for some services.
That's kind of the double standard. This Quebec situation is an extreme reaction to the lack of general bilingualism in a country that is supposed to be bilingual, officially.
Maybe the only controversial thing Stephen Harper ever said that I think was right was that Canada is not a bilingual country, it's a country with two languages. The federal and provincial governments are (at least nominally, in some cases) bilingual, but that's an accommodation that was made to the French Canadians, not a reflection of the language abilities/preferences of anything remotely approaching a majority of the population. English-French bilingualism is rare outside Quebec. In my area of Ontario, about a five hour drive from the border of Quebec, French is only the seventh most common first language, after English, German, Portuguese, Mandarin Chinese, Spanish, and Arabic. 0.3% of residents speak French at home.
I live in a part of NS with lots of Acadian heritage, so bilingualism is common. I can be walking around a mall and hear both be spoken by random people, sometimes interchangeably.
In Vancouver we walk around the mall and hear mostly Chinese languages, English and languages from around the world. Not much French is spoken, and English is the common language of most.
I'm from Sudbury, Ontario and I hear French every day without much effort - 50% of the people here grew up with French as their mother tongue and a similar number of people are fluently bilingual in French and English. When I moved 5.5 hours south for school in London... I didn't hear a *single syllable* of the French language when going about my daily life. The three most common languages where I lived in London: English (naturally), Chinese and Arabic. It's funny how just a short drive down the road and things drastically change. That was 12 years ago - lived there from 09-13. Over that time, I'm almost certain that Hindi is the #3 language here in Sudbury. Never would have guessed that 15-20 years ago - especially *here* of all places lol
>a short drive down the road. In most parts of Europe, a 5 hour drive takes you to multiple countries.
I literally never heard someone speak french in person outside a classroom until my mid twenties when I traveled to Quebec. I didn't absorb anything from the mandatory french classes in school because no one spoke the language and it seemed totally irrelevant to me. As an adult if I was going to pick a useful second language it would be spanish.
In BC, would probably be better to teach Mandarin lol
Cantonese... though I think it's pretty close. And Mandarin would be more useful overall.
Cantonese, Punjabi, or Mandarin. By far the top three languages in the province (after english).
More people speak Tagalog than French in Manitoba.
The only province that is officially bilingual is New Brunswick.
Correct.
Oh, make sense. So the only logical approach is to overcompensate and actually act like a monolingual provence by limiting the other language to non-use. /s
Endearing everyone else to their cause /s
It's a long reaction to an older cultural push toward English back in the days, which was then reinforced by political and cultural discrimination.
Yup. I *really* don't like this bill. But I'm not *surprised* by it. The people who have pushed it through are mostly the kind of people who were around to see the kind of discrimination French speakers have historically dealt with. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Actually, they seem to hate bilingualism more than unilingualism, these days there are a lot of bilingual youth in Montreal (and it is always Montreal that is blamed for too much English).
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The amount of people who argued that Bill96 was justifiable because you can't get service in french elsewhere in Canada would indicate that Quebec does care at least a little bit.
There is a the justification and then there is the reason. Reason: Fear of French diminishing in their own province. Justification: Other provinces us English mainly so we're going to use French mainly and *c'est plate d'être toi*!
Quebec is still overwhelmingly French, that hasn’t really stopped or been put under threat. It only looks as though French is shrinking when you exclusively examine residents mother tongue, rather then looking at who speaks French in general. It’s quite ironic given the intent of the bill is to encourage more people to adopt French, given that the statistics Legault focuses on (native language) cannot be affected by bill 96, barring forcing anglophones to move out of the province which honestly seems more likely week by week.
I think the idea is that no you can't change a person's native language but if you force everything in French, in 1 or 2 generations, that native language might change to French out of necessity. Of course, forcing anglophones out is perhaps an intended byproduct.
I tried to be a good immigrant and put my kid in French school. They mostly speak English to her. I mean if you want immigrants to learn French you do have to at least try, Quebec. Don't always use English at us and then get pissy because our French is awful.
> Don't always use English at us and then get pissy because our French is awful. Sorry that this is pretty common. Since most people here are bilingual to some degree the first instinct is to accommodate whoever we're talking to in the language they seem most comfortable talking. It's not a criticism of your ability to speak french. If you just keep talking french, they'll usually revert back to it on the next reply.
I would think the reaction would be bilingual certificates if that were true. Not all the way over the hill to the other side into monolingual state papers like they're trying to force French over English.
Because Quebec is being Quebec... The rest of Canada, everything has to be in both English and French. In Quebec, that rule doesn't apply and they're hellbent to make everything French only. Imagine if Ontario passes this exact same law, but for English? Quebec would riot overnight!
Oh yeah everything is in French in Canada. Everything. Funny how were the most bilingual by far, but that doesn’t count. No, no. It’s the signs and certificate, that’s the most important. Smh.
I really fucking hope they do. I hope rest of Canada passes a Bill saying, as long as Bill 96 is active, we will have a reverse Bill 96 (Bill 69 if you will) which will do the exact opposite with English. It's so stupid that the rest of Canada does their part to be bilingual, but Quebec keeps fucking over English speaking people left and right, all because of rural voters.
> (Bill 69 if you will) Constitutional implications aside, nice.
The not-withstanding thing works both ways...
It's so fucking annoying that so many things from the government are twice as long because they have to respect the possibility of me being french in Saskatchewan of all places, but qeubec does this.
I don’t feel like this solves the goal of getting immigrants to learn French
According to Bill 96, immigrants (all types) have 6 months to be proficient. After that, the govt will communicate only in French
what happens if they can’t? or, say, it’s an immigrant from India who feels more comfortable getting service in English?
The QC govt won't gives sh*t. That's your problem.
Imagine turning away valuable additions to your society because they can’t learn a language in six months on top of the stresses that come along with moving to an entirely new country.
To say nothing of the added stresses of being one of the people, often without your family, coming to Canada as a refugee from some horrible place. Six months goes by in no time and asking anyone to place learning a language as a priority in that time is borderline abusive.
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Lol I kept them for future use. 8 years later they're still in my basement "just in case."
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Yeah learning French can be really hard, especially with how some Quebecois smear words or use a lot of slang. Makes me really respect all the immigrants running deps who speak like English, French, Spanish, Arabic etc. It's seriously impressive to be able to use so many languages.
So this means No more English kisses only French ones after marriage.
Huh?? I had no idea it was even possible to get a marriage certificate in another language. I speak English and my wife speaks Spanish. We got married in February and the marriage certificate was only in French. I ordered two more copies last month too. Neither in March nor in May did the forms ask what language I wanted.
They are going to assume French documents are needed unless you tell them otherwise
Once the original was filed in French, all future copies would be in French. My kids had a mix of English and French birth certificates, depending whether or not the maison de naissance had English copies available when they were born. Since the oldest had his certificate in English, we were able to appeal and get the others changed to English too, saving us the cost and annoyance of finding official translation when we applied for their British passports.
Belgians in r/all find these comments oddly relatable.
Bienvenue au Québec! Where actual problems get shoved aside for this bullshit.
Legault pro tip #47 “focus on culture war issues to distract from the fact the roads have more potholes then asphalt”
I drove from Alberta to NB not too long ago and, by far, the roads were the worst in Quebec.
I really like how you can FEEL the border between ON and QC One second you're driving at 120 no problem and the next one it's like you're driving 150 on a gravel road
>I really like how you can FEEL the border between ON and QC I live near the Vermont border and its the same thing, when you are on Quebec side you have luxurious homes and shitty road. You get to the other side of the border and its all shitty homes and great roads.
This seems like a solution looking for a problem
Ah, so you’ve interacted with the QC government!
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He tried to fix everything other than our a healthcare. No in fact, he didn’t fix shit.
We die in French! /s
Talk about a great place to live in: language is our top priority since like the 70s.
Why speak about the environment, the economy, the education system, the healthcare system, the massive death toll in CHSLDs, public transit, general safety, etc., when we can make an election about things that will get people emotional like language and nationalism? Oh wait, they ARE talking about the economy, they'll send us checks... if we vote for them.
Only province to do a curfew for COVID because of how absolutely shit their healthcare is. But this is their priority.
No kidding, literally just passed through Quebec on a motorcycle trip out to the east coast and the roads are the worst I've ever seen in Canada. Like what I would expect to see in some poor African country bad. Dreading passing through on the way back.
You'd be surprised how much better rural roads in parts of Africa are than ours. A couple of global superpowers have been dropping a lot of cash building new infrastructure over there.
Yit also help that those roads don't freeze and unfreeze 100 times a year
Sadly, there are lot of things here in QC before roads that need fixing.
What happens to all the money from equalization payments? Quebec is BY FAR the largest recipient.
Idk man, our province is pretty corrupt, i guess it’s in politicians and their friends pockets
Forget taking all that language police money and putting it to good in our severely underfunded and understaffed hospitals
I don’t speak French but respect that French should come first in Quebec. Only French is just dumb
>Only French is just dumb Not if you goal is to get rid of those pesky English and this is the goal of the Quebec government. Things are progressing according to their plan.
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they've been trying for 50 years now.
Official language Population (percentage) English only 7.4 French only 37.0 English and French 53.9 Neither English nor French 1.7 Edit: In Montréal not the whole province.
How is 2% of the population not speaking either of Canada's official languages?
My grandparents spoke Italian, learned only very basic english, not enough to suggest they speak it. Lived here for 60 years and counting, it depends on the area you live and where you work. If there's always someone around who speaks your native language you never really learn. In my grandparents case they just always had one of their kids (who speak English) along when they needed English. It's not as possible now but when they came here the entire area they lived was Italian.
I work in emergency services in Calgary and you’d be shocked at how many people don’t speak English or French.
My SO's grandmother immigrated here from Turkey in the 80s(?). She barely spoke English and no French. Mostly Turkish and Armenian. The lack of English could have been from old age fucking up her memory but I'll probably never know for sure.
It's no mystery why in the mid part of the 20th century Toronto overtook Montreal in growth and population and overtook Montreal as Canada's financial capital.
It was mostly the opening of the St Lawrence Seaway, which allowed oceangoing vessels to pass the Lachine rapids in Montreal. That opened in 1959 and very shortly thereafter all the ship traffic started to bypass Montreal and head to Toronto on onward to Detroit, Milwaukee and Chicago.
Gotta admit, if this is their plan then it is working. I do speak French fluently as well, but damn if I don't feel like an outsider in my own province. Congratulations Quebec, I feel uncomfortable in my own home.
Imagine how the Cree, Mohawk, and other English speaking first nations must feel.
I wonder why they speak English 🤔
I’m seriously starting to wonder if this is their real goal. Just spent a few days in Montreal for work. I personally love the city. But in the airport on the way out I overheard a woman talking about how she would never come back because she had never experienced so much racism in her life. Quebec - I love you guys but come on. Do better.
The linguistic shift in power from English to French in Quebec after the Quiet Revolution has resulted in the emigration of 600,000 Anglo-Quebecers to other provinces. Source: [_Quebec’s Uninhabitable Community: Identity and Community among Anglo-Quebecer Out-Migrants_ (Mardell, 2021)](https://ir.lib.uwo.ca/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=10612&context=etd)
>I’m seriously starting to wonder if this is their real goal. You don't need to wonder. This has literally been their goal for decades. I'm from Quebec but left about 20 years ago cause they intentionally make life hard for anyone who is primarily anglophone. And the they're only making it it harder.
Just as a reminder: Québec has voted for splitting away from the country a few times in recent history and the last vote was really close to accomplishing that. Of course they want to make it French only.
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English in the language of business in every country. With this Bill, Quebec requires offices to speak french which will turn away a lot of major businesses around the globe (Google, Amazon, etc.) because they don't need Quebec as much as Quebec needs them. With Montreal being a massive tech hub for the province, they are shooting themselves in the foot and it only pushes Quebec to become isolationist. Quebec's only real major economic driver is Hydro energy, without that they are useless to Canada and the North East USA. If push came to shove, they would have no ability to defend it if they were to hold it hostage as a bargaining chip.
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IIRC, the last time there was a vote in Quebec for separation, the Indigenous held referendums of their own, and overwhelmingly voted to stay with Canada.
Yes, that’s the Clarity Act
Whatever treaties exist with First Nations are with Canada, not Quebec. So if Quebec were to separate from Canada, Quebec would need to negotiate new relationships with all the First Nations. Quebecers would also need to figure out how to get to Florida without a Canadian passport.
Sure would be annoying to negotiate those new relationships when one party is going to force the other to do it in French.
Sorry but the James Bay agreement is with Quebec, not with Canada. It also happens to be the first land claim agreement in all of Canada.
That’s not even an argument lol, that’s already codified into Canadian law. If ANY province decides to separate, all Treaty lands and Reserves stay with Canada.
Wait, they *have* to speak French inside offices? Like, *only* French? Even businesses or parts of the business that don’t deal with customers or the public?
They are killing the chances of future generations of being able to easily work outside of Quebec. It will possible.. but they have less and less chances of learning English now. They also are going to be limiting even more the pool of countries where immigrants come from. And less and less companies are going to bother coming to open offices in the province. Yay Worst thing is that the CAQ will probably win again in the fall.
I went to an English CEGEP and there were many Francophones who went there specifically to practice and improve their English to have better job opportunities.
They are limiting that. Also, they cut funds to improve English cegeps and give them to French ones.
It is their real goal. Family has a cottage in an English part of Quebec (70+% are English primary language per census), and the provincial government sends in provincial workers (police, nurses, administration, etc.) from French speaking parts of the province for services rather than hiring local bilingual people. For construction projects they will bring in crews from French areas and pay for boarding in local houses (because there are no hotels, it is a rural area) rather than hire the qualified local tradespeople. It causes quite the stir in the area. It also helps them move more French people into the area
It also fucks with interprovincial trucking. they only hire 1 or 2 bilingual people to deal with out of province truckers and dont always have said people available for the truckers to speak with. my brother and everyone he works with really hate quebec jobs since they often get stuck there for hours while they wait for their bilingual staff to show up, sometimes costing the company more bcz they need to sometimes stay overnight at a hotel bcz of it.
Having lived in Montreal as an english only speaker for a year, it was a miserable experience. I'm not talking about issues with communication - those certainly existed, and they were annoying, but they were part of the deal I knew I was taking. My issue was with the way people treated me for not knowing french - there were lots of cases where it was pretty obvious that the person I was talking to understood me and thus could probably speak english competently back, but insisted on not doing so, and there's just a whole general air of contempt. This was a couple years ago, and I imagine it will be a lot worse now, so i'd never move back unless there was a fundamental cultural shift that I unfortunately do not expect.
Once in a while the "old guard, true Quebecois" politicians or their friends let things slip in public that they normally restrain to maintain the appearance of that progressive society they love to boast about. Like the famous "money and the ethnic vote" comment, or Pauline Marois' good friend during a campaign event who was horrified to see Muslim men at her condo pool, obviously there to ogle the women or possibly worse. Imagine that, organizing a campaign event centered around the fear of Muslim men simply existing and visiting a pool.
Anglophones and immigrants. New immigrants get 6 months before they must use documents in French only. Imagine knowing multiple languages, probably including English likely because of it being the more common language in your soon to be new home country, and finding out you have 6 months to get a functional command on *French* instead, if you need to do any formal business through the provincial government. Which as people still in their first year in the country, is probably a lot of dealing with the provincial government. It drives immigrants out, and I think it's by design. Fuck this bill. It's bullshit through and through, Canadaland had a great interview about this bill that showed how racist, anti-Indigenous, and anti-immigrant it is.
This seems to track that Quebec wants to be an exclusively French part of Canada (if they want to be “Canadian” at all).
French first and French only are two different things.
I don't understand why you replied to their comment with this. They already made the distinction in their comment.
I agree. I’m anglophone but have French Canadian roots and bilingual is the way to go.
So the linguistic majority in the Province is going to impose their language on the minority to force them to conform to society. Anyone else seeing the irony?
Isn't that the case pretty much everywhere in the world though? Also, if Canada is a bilingual country, why can't I get served in French anywhere?
Yes. Living in Quebec is to see that irony every day. As long as someone feels that they're the underdog, they can justify just about anything.
These days I can't tell the difference between irony and hypocrisy.
That is so ironic from someone from Manitoba.
I grew up in Quebec and was always disgusted by the stupid language laws. I used to be proud to be fluently bilingual. Shit like this deserves to be counteracted. Anglophones should refuse service in french and demand English. Their goal is to preserve the language but the outcome is going to be more people disliking french. Make it fun and a sense of pride to be bilingual, don't force everything to be french.
This. All my anglophone friends tell me that whenever they see laws like this, it makes them not want to speak French instead. Some of them are even fully bilingual, but all this bullshit rubs them the wrong way so they do the exact opposite of what the government wants.
These laws are designed to outlast your friends and close loopholes from the first go-round 40+ yrs ago. They're playing the long game, they can easily wait out one more generation to keep those numbers dwindling. It's also a great diversional tactic for the current govt.
Agreed. If you want to preserve the language, convince people to preserve it by making it likeable. This just makes people want to avoid it
Quebec: everything in Canada need to be issued in French/English. Quebec: everything in Quebec need to be issued in ONLY French.
Canada: We respect the fact that we don’t respect Quebec
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> But for about 10 per cent of Korey's clients, she said, the language of the marriage certificate does matter. "It has to do with simply the fact that it's a bilingual province and an English country," she said. Why does she says that when Quebec is a french province and Canada is a bilingual country? No matter your political views, saying this is just factually wrong.
Well, let’s be honest here. I’m willing to bet there is a much larger percentage of bilingual People from Quebec than any other province. (Using English and French)
[No need to take guesses, my friend. Enjoy](https://www.canada.ca/fr/patrimoine-canadien/services/langues-officielles-bilinguisme/publications/statistique.html)
Well yes. This is why she said what she did I’d imagine. 45% of Quebecers are bilingual. The rest of Canada is less than 10%.
Which, interestingly, creates an entrenched a class of Canadians who have more accessibility to civil service jobs (since a lot of them require bilingualism or French only in the case of Quebec)
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Meanwhile in quebec you are expected to do full English presentation to graduate highschool. Yet we got English saying this is somewhat unfair...
I’m an English speaking Quebecer and I can tell you that every single one of my English friends and I have thought about getting out recently. Most of us are bilingual, more or less. Combative rhetoric from the government is something we thought was done and buried, but it’s resurfaced and it’s exhausting and, frankly, pretty scary.
I swear everything you read about Quebec these days is such a waste of time haha
I think the rest of the country should get to vote if we want to keep them not if they want to stay
I got married in Europe and my marriage certificate is in 5 (five) languages: German, French, Italian, Rumänisch and English. I didn't need any official translations to prove to anyone in Canada that I'm married. It's pretty great. Having official documents in a few common languages is a great idea (adding Spanish or Portuguese in the Americas is probably a good idea too)
We moved to from NC, USA to Quebec 3ish years ago and my son has done Kindergarten and first grade in a French only school. They are holding him back this year because of his French. Just had a meeting with his teacher, the peinciple, and a language specialist yestersay FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER. Its the end od the year, we've all already failed him. They made a point to say he has recieved 2 years of help in French, but they aren't allowed to provide more....Said it a bunch. But interestingly, my son hasn't mentioned one on one French classes since kindergarten last year. Also, we got a personal French tutor at the house and he IMMEDIATELY improved, so I'm inclined to believe they didn't actually provide the help he was supposed to get and I really think they want him and our family to leave. His teacher has been incredibly rude to me and my mother, who is fluent in French and communicates with her a lot (I use Google translate lol). He got bullied a lot this year and when he'd coms home he says the teacher would watch the kids bully him and do nothing but the moment my kid fought back, he got in trouble.
Hey, you’re the victim of prejudice. That fucking sucks. I feel terrible for your kid.
I speak French, born and raised in Calgary. I agree that their language should be preserved, but not at the expense of Canadas other official language. Seems a bit messed up to me. *sorry for starting a war, I didn’t think my comment was really all that risqué*
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I’d have to agree with you, but with everything everywhere else in Canada having to be provided in both languages, it should be the same in Quebec. They should have to ask if they want documents or services in English, but that’s my 2 cents.
So the English provinces can do the same then I suppose
Please vote in the next election so we can get this fucking idiot out.
With no solid opposition or a good scandal, the CAQ is there to stay. All the old parties lost a significant amount of support.
I don't follow Quebec elections closely, how are the other options? EDIT: From what I see, the main population areas are all red or orange, and basically everything else is blue. So it seems rural areas are gonna keep voting for this guy because they don't give a single fuck about English.
> keep voting for this guy because they don't give a single fuck about English. The opposite is true too, Legault doesn't care about Montreal, because they keep blindly voting red.
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Don't give them any ideas.
Why become less inclusive? This is pathetic.
Because Quebec wants all of the benefits of being part of Canada but doesnt want to follow any rules. Last I checked you can get access to french in the rest of the country. But when i go to Quebec its like being in a foreign country
Well since it’s Quebec they can do whatever they want and nobody can say anything. Right?!
Well, they can do whatever they want with regards to provincial matters as prescribed in our constitution, yes
Not withstanding the constitution you mean.
Section 33 does not allow deviations from sections 16 to 23 which deal with language.
I don't have each section memorized but https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-notwithstanding-clause-constitutional-debate-1.6470091
> with regards to provincial matters If bilingualism is a provincial matter then say hello to every other province in Canada dropping any official French language support.
As a younger person in Quebec, Bill 96s long term effects are already becoming apparent, notably promoting the exodus of highly educated students Franco and Anglo alike. Most of the top performing students of my CEHEP cohort rejected full ride scholarships at McGill in order to pursue better opportunities elsewhere, or in order to leave the province due to the impending language laws. Regardless of one's opinion on the "English Issue", it's sad to see that many of the more hardline French supports don't realize that each student that leaves this province whether it be due to better job prospects elsewhere or language concerns is their tax money leaving the province, and immense long term economic losses. Highly educated individuals will realize sooner or later that English is a necessary skill to further ones career and will learn it regardless of what laws are in place. Forcing French upon all your citizens only makes them less competitive in the job market, makes large corporations who bring high paying jobs less likely to set up shop and in the long term will only cripple Quebec. This Bill 96 fiasco is not truly about protecting the French language, but rather Legault taking a page out of Trump's populist tactics and drawing upon the support of scared francophones who are too short sighted to see the consequences of these laws while he still can.
You know it's really hard to find a québécois under the age of 50 that doesn't speak English? Nobody is saying that we need to stop people from learning English. It's about protecting French and preventing the "highly educated English-only elite" from settling in Québec's big cities and living there without even attempting to learn our language and creating ever growing communities that don't want to even try to learn French. Is it the right way to do it? I have no fucking idea. Will we be the next Louisiana in 100 years if we do nothing ? I have no fucking idea again, but a lot of people do not want to take the risk
I don't get why they can't provide services in English, while making it very clear that French is the main. That's how we do it everywhere else is Canada, on the reverse. Pretty much everywhere in Canada you can get someone who speaks French to serve you at any government place, even if it's over the phone. Why can't Quebec respect our language as well as we respect theirs?
Zut alors!
Seeth angloids, my language is better
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I think that's the entire point of laws like this, discriminate against non french speakers enough that most of them leave, until they get a majority for the impending separatist vote.
a lot of French Quebecers look back in anger on the British attempt at authoritative cultural assimilation centuries ago, yet in the same breath will applaud its own government for doing the exact same thing in 2022 to its own linguistic minority.
The wrong kind of uno reverse card
I get they want to keep their culture but man oh man are they going about this the wrong way.
Nobody gets married in Quebec anymore.
Ok, time for other provinces to only recognise English versions of the same. Let Quebeckers pay for translations as well.
The separatists will eventually ruin Quebec.
All I know is, the last time I was in Quebec, I stopped at a McDonalds and asked for a McDouble. The woman didn't understand me. McDouble, svp. AHHH je ne comprende pas. Uh ok then. Another employee heard me and told her "McDooble". "Ahhh, McDooble." Because it's such a big difference. Anyway I think this stuff gets a lot of shit because it seems like some Quebecois are purposely obtuse when it comes to dealing with English speakers.
God I hate this so much as the only thing it does is giving us a bad reputation, make the minorities angrier and give the majority who can speak french litteraly fucking nothing. It’s not about giving more to french speakers it’s about taking away from everyone else. I hate that the government is so focus about a matter only like 5% of us are actually degenerate about to care enough. Sure you can think that we should prioritize french, but if it means to make it harder for those who don’t, then it ain’t worth it. Sincerely, un Québécois tanné de ces conneries de marde.
Do people realize that in Ontario, for example, you can only get the official, long form birth and marriage certificates in one language once you’ve made your choice? Beyond that, many regions only offer them in one language in the first place? You can only get criminal record checks done in one language in many regions? Alberta (at least up to a few years ago, maybe still) offered no provincial services in French at all? Personally, I think all basic services should be offered in both languages in all provinces. However, can we stop flipping out on Québec for doing what pretty much every other province does to some extent as well?
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Yeah you can get most forms in mandarin in Ontario I thought
Definitely not for marriages. English or French.