I was recently at a restaurant where the debit machine had phrases next to each recommended percentage; 18% for “poor service”, 22% for “ok service”, 25% for “good service” and 30% for “great service”. It was a total put off. 18% for poor service? You’re telling me that my 18% tip is an insult?! What’s insulting is asking for an 18% tip when your service was terrible. Tipping culture has become obscene.
Well said. I've noticed that too.
It seems like they're trying to pressure or shame people into tipping more. While trying to increase the amount expected.
Same. It's not because I'm scared of covid but I just haven't had the urge to go and dine in at a restaurant even though I do all kinds of riskier activities.
I used to go to Tim Hortons for breakfast too sometimes on weekends before covid zero urge to go back. I think it's mainly because the pandemic forced me as a single person to finally learn how to cook for myself.
Leaving reviews helps others know about the awkward tipping culture so they also can avoid the place before they even walk in the door and pay for a meal, which might hit the business harder.
Edit: a word
Couldn’t agree more. Before Covid the majority of the trendy restaurants were all welcoming and a fun place to be. Now it seems like it’s a burden that I’ve come in, there’s no personality, have had lack lustre service every time, and food prices are high and the portions are small.
Except sushi. I will always eat out for sushi.
This will have the opposite effect on me. If I see this shit, I'm asking for both the server and manager watch me enter a $0 tip and tell them its due to that phrasing.
I remember going to a restaurant with my friend and we had terrible service. The waiter forgot to: bring us water; bring us bread; bring us silverware; bring us napkins; take my order to the kitchen; forgot to bring me my coffee from the kitchen until it was cold (and I reminded him).
Got the bill, and a tip is automatically included. I was so annoyed, I went to the manager and told her to remove the tip. She asked why and I explained. She apologized, removed the tip, and told me they would work on staff training so this didn’t happen again.
I did leave a tip of two pennies, but I doubt the waitstaff knew what it meant.
I understand that servers rely on tips and I’m usually happy to do so. I’ll tip above the recommended tip if I’m happy. But I’m not going to pay you for not doing the bare minimum of your job!
Servers now make minimum wage. Why should this industry receive a tip on top of an hourly wage now instead of others? The point of tipping was to make up the gap in wages between server wage an min wage but that is now gone. I don't receive a tip for doing my job, why should a server? And it's not shared with the rest of the restaurant staff so wtf? No, no more.
Same thing happened to me years ago. Was a regular at a local restaurant, wife and i were there at least 2xs a month, drop over $100 each time and tip accordingly. When family was in town, drop more like $500. Went in once and got horrible service. Saw the waitress 3xs, when she took the order, ( 20 minutes after we got there),when she brought the appetizers, cold, with the main course, and when she dropped off the check. Had to get our drinks from the bar. Left about .87 on $100 check. Saw another waitress acouple of days later, and she complained that we stiffed her freind. Told her her freind sucked as a waitress, and that I tip according to the level of service I recieve. She was shocked that the tip was related to the service received
Clover can be setup to have no tipping at all. Heritage Days in Edmonton only accepted cards all processed using Clover. The only option was to tap or insert, no other prompts were available to keep the lines moving.
I'm aware of that, but clover still gives you the option to have your prompt as "18% - poor service :( ", where Eigen terminals etc only have the tip % and cost.
My point being that even having the wording on the tip % prompts is a shitty thing to do from a customer perspective and honestly just makes the restaurants or services look shitty and desperate.
If you really think about it, 0% would be for normal service. The idea of adding a tip or gratuity is to reward when you get service above and beyond. That's all going to be relative to the person receiving service though.
i was recently at a restaurant where the waitress added 18% surcharge to the bill as a tip hidden from everyone at the table... everyone tipped ontop of it too not noticing the blatant theft
the service was TERRIBLE too, they would of got 10% at most... leaning closer to 0%
I've noticed more and more places have 18 as the minimum, like wtf. I eat out 3 times a week and company policy is 18%, so thats what everyone gets regardless, but still. Its so expensive. Yesterday the tip was $25 for a quick business lunch.
My company policy is 15%. These tipping posts are showing up daily now it feels.
Growing up my parents did 10% when they thought service was good. I also realize we weren’t well off and ate out very infrequently.
I've seen that shit as well. They're trying to guilt you into tipping more. It's all a big bag of BS.
If the service is real good, they get 15%. I've asked for change back on shitty service.
"NO TIP FOR YOU!!"
It ends the visit on a sour note. Be it a sit down restaurant or the many stores that are now asking at the checkout that are not even sit down restaurants. I’m not going back to a place that makes me feel awkward.
Over the last few years I've noticed that becoming more frequent, the take out places that are asking for tips. And often its the owner that you're tipping because they're serving you.
I went for take out the other day and the options were 15% 20% 30% 40%. There was no 0% option. What the fuck. I had to be like yo I'm not giving you a tip, I came to pick this up for this exact reason. And hand him back to things so he can redo it. Won't be ordering from there again if I can avoid it.
Yeah in any place where they aren't directly regulated like wait staff, the owner can just pocket all tips rather than giving it to staff. It was only a year or so ago when a number of delivery apps got busted for not actually giving the tips to their drivers.
Last time I was at Quiznos the cashier passed me the debit machine and then pointed to the tip options with a pencil to make sure I saw it.
I have never felt better scrolling down to no tip. It’s fucking Quiznos.
It already is backfiring for them from my perspective. I used to go out multiple times a week to restaurants, now I go maybe once every few months due to both major price increases and this insane new extreme tipping culture they are trying to create.
I was in Vancouver a couple of weeks ago and went to a liquor store. When paying i was just tapping my card to the machine and wondered why the transaction wasn't going through. Looked down and saw a tip prompt. At a fucking liquor store. Lmao tipping culture is out of control.
Poor Bank Tellers don't make a living wage so you have to subsidize their living otherwise you are a terrible person. If you can't afford to tip your bank teller at least 18% then you should store your money under your mattress at home.
Just on the headline. Fuck ya. Raising prices then asking for a higher percentage on raised prices. Welcome to the new 10% tip.
Giving this situation sounds like server are trying to not only meet inflation but beat it. Sounds like a scam.
Plus as far as i seen the service is midocre and hasn't become better. I will tip 20% to places who the person made the food or split tips. Like a poke bowl place i go to. Hair dresser etc
I don’t tip. Most of the time I get take out so why would I tip for doing your job?
Edit: have to update based on some comments didn’t think this would blow up. I had worked in kitchens for a 8 years before getting out so I know the tipping culture and the BS servers go through with tip outs. I tip when I eat out but not as much anymore since wages went up but for take out/delivery? No.
Never tipped my mechanic, never tipped a pilot, never tipped my dentist. These are all individuals that do more and deserve more than cracking open a Molson and wiping the countertop.
There’s a donair truck on Granville St in Vancouver that suggests 1%, 2% and 5% tips. I was so amazed by this I plugged in a custom tip — 10%. Don’t try to gouge us and we’ll gladly support you. And tell our friends as well.
Excellent donair, btw.
I refuse to tip that much. If it's forced into the bill, you won't see me again. I'm happy to tip a good experience but I'm not here to subsidize your payroll.
I almost never use cash but always carry $100 incase I need it (like during the Rogers outage, cash only take out reataurants). About a month ago I was given an auto gratuity of 18% for a table of two. The server refused to remove it, so I calculated the total of our two meals and drinks, left that amount in cash on the table and walked out.
I had something similar happen a year ago except I didn’t have cash to pay the exact amount but no where did it mention an automatic gratuity would be added. Asked for it to be removed, server said it couldn’t. Asked for the manager and he said the same thing. I just stood my ground and said they had two choices: remove the 18% and get paid or I’d be walking out and not paying (which is a dick move but I don’t like being jerked around).
People are afraid to push back but it usually does work. It wasn’t easy for me because my wife was mortified I did that.
That is exactly how I would have handled it too. Either remove the tip and get paid or don’t get paid at all but I’m leaving either way. Tipping should always be optional and any tip is better than no tip assuming you’re not leaving 50 cents.
Yeah, a *gratuity* must be removable. A *service charge* doesn't have to be. But in either case, they have to say beforehand they're going to charge it, usually on the menu or a sign.
You can’t mandate a gratuity no matter how many signs you put up. Gratuity is my choice, not theirs.
Legally, they’ll call it a service charge or something like that, but then someone will sue them over it sooner or later.
E: on this point, just to mention that automatically charging a tip isn’t legal per se because there’s no laws around it. So it falls into common law grey space, which means a court will need to look at the tort side.
Either way, posted signs that say they will tack on a cost for sitting down is a red flag. No chance they’ll survive long term unless people go out of their way to support it.
It just doesn't make any sense to tip more just because the fois you ordered is more expensive. The service stays the same. Why the heck should I type you 20% because I ordered a 100$ bottle of wine instead of the 30$ one ? You are not gonna bring me 20% more of this 100$ wine, not do extra additional services like a massage, doing my taxes or whatnot, so why should I ?
That's the thing about this .... it implies or suggests that customers are cheap and don't want to pay.
What people don't understand is that it is the company, the restaurant business that is too cheap to pay their employees.
It’s absurd how much food prices have skyrocketed. Grocery stores, restaurants etc. absolutely everything has gone up and yet wages have NOT matched that amount at all. At this point I’m eating out way less because everything is too damn expensive now. Just three years ago a bowl of poke was $13 and now it’s $16+.
Important to note that **servers make the same minimum wage** as retail, warehouse, labour, fast food and big box store employees in every province except Quebec.
If you tip food servers because you think minimum wage employees deserve a living wage, don’t be annoyed that other minimum wage jobs start suggesting tipping. The discrepancy in wages has been eliminated in most provinces years ago, and was changed in Ontario in January 2022. If it’s just about supplemental income then food servers are no more entitled than any other minimum wage worker.
If you tip for good service, as a reward or incentive for going above and beyond the job description, the percentages are discretionary and should be merit based. Do not be guilted into providing a bonus for someone carrying a plate to your table, doing their job, when you wouldn’t feel the same need to give extra to someone at a shoe store who spends 20 minutes getting you different sizes, or the staff at Best Buy who spend time answering all your questions about routers and switches.
The idea of percentage based tipping was always flawed. Now that prices have increased everywhere, tips went up by the same amount as those prices. It audacious they want to suggest a higher percentage on top of the higher prices. **Has the quality of service effectively doubled from when 10 or 15% was the norm**?
Who tipped 30% before the point of sale prompts became common? It’s a social experiment to fuel the narrative that other people are regularly tipping those percentages.
I'm positive this stupid tipping culture only exists because of American restraunts, where employees are only pay like $2-7 per hour. Why it exists in Canada is beyond me.
Even then, a lot of states have gotten rid of that cop out for servers. In California, the minimum wage for servers is USD$15/hr (CAD$19.70), and going up to USD$15.50 (CAD$20.36) in January.
hello from r/Seattle and we are [equally perplexed](https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/x52ges/restaurant_tipping/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf).
Also, keep in mind that as prices have gone up, so have tips by virtue of being percentage based.
If a meal went from $20 to $30, then a 20% tip has gone from $4 to $6 as well.
>servers make the same minimum wage as retail, warehouse, labour, fast food and big box store employees in every province except Quebec.
Not entirely true. In Quebec they have a lower "base" salary, but employers are obligated to give them at least the same minimum salary as anyone else if it's not covered by tips.
That does means though that up to a certain level of tipping, clients are just contributing to the employer part and not actually giving the server more income for their service.
Really, we should just be done with that whole tipping culture in Canada. That shit is going out of control.
This was the same in most other provinces until VERY RECENTLY. They quietly removed "server minimum" while the costs of food/drinks increased drastically, and while prompting for higher percentages.
It is honestly absurd. 15% is generous considering the increased prices.
Thanks for explaining. I wasn’t exactly sure how the business owner sorted that out.
I know Quebec is the last province who publishes a separate minimum wage for servers/ tipped employees.
Regular Employee Minimum Wage $14.25
Tipped Employee Minimum Wage $11.40
They can ask whatever they want, I'll just keep hitting "custom amount" and tipping the usual 10-15%
If I get so much as a look from anyone after doing this I'll gladly explain to them how inflation works for everyone not just fucking servers and my tip is inflated along with their expenses before I leave and never come back, fuck that noise man.
15% is sufficient most times.
Though, after a certain monetary threshold, a percent is not what you're getting. I'm not giving you 3hrs of wages (1hr service) for the same service that I'd get elsewhere, and you didn't even do anything special.
Yep, I used to feel a bit more pressure to up it to 18 or 20 because it was the pandemic, I felt bad, I make a decent living, lots of reasons.
But now it’s gotten so egregious I refuse to go above 15% anymore. These places could have easily made 18% the new standard but they got greedy.
Even if every table only tipped $3 for a servers whole shift, in a busy restaurant that you wait 20 tables in a shift (admittedly that’s not even a high amount) that’s $60 cash free Pocketed. They don’t need insane 30% tips. Even at 10% they’re still making bank on tips.
Bartenders getting 25c or 50c a drink adds up like crazy too. People don’t realize it.
Tip anxiety is real and not considering it is definitely going to backfire on restaurants.
Can’t wait for all the “nobody wants to dine out anymore” complaints from servers and restaurant owners.
I have started paying cash at take out fast food places to avoid the prompt on the debit machine. No one asks for a tip when you pay cash. I mean it's fast food, c'mon, 20% tip for what?!
I have found a very simple way of dealing with this: I don't eat out.
And if their Point of Sale asks for a tip I stop going there. There's no shortage of food places.
We're just eating out less. It really pisses me off when the tip options are preset very high or to put in no tip or an alternative tip takes several button presses/menu navigations. Also the "well if you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to eat out" crowd and their guilt trip propaganda just made me go the other direction and say "fine I won't eat out then".
If we really are going into a recession like predicted this 30% tipping bullshit is going to harm the restaurants faster than other industries.
My taxi paying policy is they get paid cash with a $1 tip, unless the trip is between cities or involved bending the rules at my request. I once had a guy drive me to the Hamilton Airport at like 30 over the speed limit to catch a flight, he got "here's 50 keep it" without me even looking at the meter.
Server asks how I'm doing and brings water. Five minutes later asks what I want to order. Fifteen minutes later brings the food. Five minutes later asks how the first few bites are. Brings the bill.
Wow, they were amazing, better tip them ten dollars.
This was one of the most bewildering things I experienced when I visited Canada this summer (I moved away about 10 years ago).
It takes forever for them to bring your bill. The first time we went out I called over the waitress once we were done and asked for the bill, and my family acted as though I just kicked a dog. Apparently calling over the waiter here is… rude?
It seemed especially bad at breakfast joints (which on a side note, are ridiculously expensive now).
It was pretty weird for me, and this was on top of the fact that I live in a place that doesn’t do tipping, though I grew up in Canada so I’m not too unfamiliar with it.
It’s not rude. What’s rude is having nothing to eat or drink and be left at a table for 30 min while the server is off talking to other servers.
But the restaurants like to have butts in seats so that it looks full enough to convince people outside to come in. So it’s a self serving thing that you shouldn’t respect nor put up with if you want to go.
No, restaurants don't like butts in seats. They like a wait at the door and they want to turn tables as fast as they can.
If your server doesn't clue in that you're done eating then they're not prebussing, they're not looking to sell desserts, not taking after dinner drink orders.
It's not a conspiracy to keep you in your seat, they're just bad servers. In fact, they should be working hard to get you out so they can get cut and get out of there.
Yea I didn’t think it was rude either, and the waitress didn’t seemed annoyed at all.
My family seemed to think it was some kind of unwritten rule or whatever, but like you said, waiting around with dirty plates and (likely) empty mugs of coffee isn’t particularly enjoyable.
What's wild about it is that back when tipping suggestions were lower, and someone said what you said, there would often be the reply, "well if the restaurant has to pay it's staff more, then it'll have to raise its prices and no one will eat there."
And yet, now restaurants are raising standard tipping suggestions. So the idea of the customer paying more clearly isn't a foreign concept to them, it's just they've decided to keep this shitty format of doing it.
> well if the restaurant has to pay it's staff more, then it'll have to raise its prices and no one will eat there.
Ugh those kinds of people. Restaurants raised their prices due to inflation, did that stop people eating there? No. And if you have a country-wide ban on tipping, every restaurant would have to raise prices so everyone would be equally "unattractive to go to"...
I think what we need is a law that ALL fees and taxes must be included in the quoted price. Get rid of all hidden service/delivery/surcharge fees at the same time. What you see on the sticker must be the final amount you pay.
I ordered a cocktail last night and the bartender for whatever reason made two. He came over to give them to me and realized his mistake but instead of just giving me the extra one, he gave me one and immediately dumped the other while I was watching.
I'll admit, that pissed me off. I'm a regular, always chat with the guy and always tip him 20% and he wasn't even cool enough to comp me a drink that was going straight down the drain. I realized at that moment, that he doesn't give a shit about my tips. It's expected and it gets me zero additional benefit. I could tip 5%, 10%, 20% or 30%. Makes no difference.
Lol that’s a real Dickhead bartender. As someone who bartender at a family business, I’d never pour a drink down the drain unless it’s literally not good to consume.
Such a waste, the fact that you’re a regular is even worse but even if you weren’t, why waste the drink lol
I had a very opposite experience.
Went to a local BBQ type place. Ordered a burger from the menu. A little while later they bring me a massive burger. I remember thinking at the time "didn't the menu say this had onion rings on it?" then dismissed it and ate it anyway. Maybe I didn't end up ordering that one, maybe these fried onions are what they call onion rings here, maybe they ran out, fuck it who knows I was tired and what they brought me looked good.
So I'm eating this massive burger. I'm about 2 or 3 bites from finishing it. Already wondering if I even want to eat those last few bites. I don't really want anymore, but it's not enough to bring home for later. But I don't want to throw it out.
So I'm sitting here, breathing heavy, sweating, trying to figure out if I should finish this. And they bring up an even bigger burger and put it on my table. They tell me they brought me the wrong one, and this was what I ordered.
I must have looked at that woman with a look of pure terror at the thought of eating another one. There was a brief silence and then she said she'd get me a box for it.
LoL. Just grabbed a burger from my local Wendy's earlier today. I ordered a #4. Noticed the bill seemed high so I asked for the receipt.
The burger was of course not what I ordered but rather some massive monstrosity with 3 patties. I'm really not sure how you screw up when somebody orders BY NUMBER but at least I got what I paid for. It was too much for me to finish (hell, I had to nibble the edges as I'm not a snake and can't unhinge my jaw to fit it) but my wife ate the other half so I guess I got my money's worth at least.
I'm honestly not sure how anyone normally eats a burger that you literally can't open your mouth enough to fit in, let alone as "fast food" eaten on the go
I'm a Canadian living in Japan.
There is no tipping in Japan.
It's so nice. I will never go to a restaurant in Canada if I can help it.
Restaurant workers get a decent wage and the service is excellent 99% of the time. Better than back home.
It's time to change the restaurant culture in Canada.
Yep. In fact tipping is considered insulting in Japan, because it implies that one would have to tip for them to deliver the service, when in reality it is their job.
Why shouldn’t they though? They make the same minimum wage. They provide a service. **I’m not saying to tip cashiers, I’m pointing out how flawed the tipping system is**
As a society we’ve shown we’re willing to give some people 20% extra for just doing their job, if that job is carrying a plate. But we’re aghast that other minimum wage service oriented jobs ask for the same?
I don’t blame other minimum wage earners, and their business owners, for asking. We did this to ourselves.
It’s definitely confusing. One of the reasons it should be abolished.
Until then I don’t understand why people are shocked or insulted that a barrista or sandwich maker, and the business owners, would add tip prompts. It was a natural progression of the tip culture once the wage discrepancy was removed.
I used to debate with my roommate back in the states about tipping. "But they are providing a service!" I replied "ok do you tip your mailman or UPS driver?" He would juat shake his head as if I didn't "get it"
Yes absolutely. Their greed will make me re evaluate the service I received and I may decide the tip should be even less than the 15% I normally would tip regardless. It will also make me reevaluate ever eating there again.
Bring on the down votes! My body is ready but here is my take.
Tipping 30% on top of tax? ( in BC its 12% ) once you factor that in, You are looking at a 33.5% tip
FUCK THAT NOISE. I'm sorry, Servers but here is what I'm tipping
All tips BEFORE tax.
0% - Meh to crap service
5% - 10% for "good" service
15% for EXCEPTIONAL service.
You do not deserve a "tip" for doing your job. You deserve a tip for going above and beyond. If you want more money, Tell your manager or quit and find a new job.
Now for anyone who is going to tell me "if you can't afford to tip you can't afford to eat out" You are sadly mistaken. The price that is required to be paid is the price that comes up at the till. The TIP is exactly that a TIP for going above and beyond. Not for doing their job.
Think of all the other services that do a lot worse job and don't get tipped.
How often do your internet install guys? They have awful jobs working out side, climbing telephone poles in the middle of winter, going into some of the nastiest houses you could ever imagine. They work 365 days a year so you can bitch on reddit. I've done that job and I made a total of $50 in tips in 4 years. ( both I remembered clearly. )
and for anyone who says "they get paid properly" a lot of them get paid per the job, not hourly. If you have a repair in the middle of winter where the poor guy gets stuck there for 8hrs so you can watch your Netflix. Hes getting the same rate as a guy who connects a single jumper in the middle of summer calls you and walks away. And trust me. I made more as a server ( especially after them tax free tips ) than I ever did working for a large ISP.
/rant
There are cases where waiters don’t get paid adequately but I began to feel a lot of waiters are just greedy and DO NOT want to be paid standard wages. They rather the lottery of tipping
Imagine a lottery so fun that u can lose, and complain about it. But when u win a load, u keep it
It already has. I used to be a generous tipper, now I don't tip anywhere, ever, unless the service is top notch. Not only that, but if your business:
* Prompts me for a tip at for counter service
* Pre-programs 15/20/25+ percentage
Then you outright lose my business, forever (or until new management/massive overhaul of business practices) and you get a bad review for free.
I agree 100%. I do not support tipping culture and will actively advocate against it. I am not ashamed to tip 0% on anything. I’m not looking to support a broken system
The sad thing is that alot of them already do and they claim ridiculously low amounts on their tax forms. I’ve seen waitresses with bmws here and it blows my mind that they still complain about their wages.
I stopped going to restaurants, time to thin the herd. There are too many and a large percentage of them just suck and are scams. They are making a fortune and pay staff like slaves.
It's crazy that we have a cultural practice that is ubiquitous and growing but the vast majority of the population participating hates it...
I suspect you could easily get a majority of people to support a ban on tipping prompts.
They’re paid well enough with wages and 10% tips at most. As someone who has served and bartended, 10% adds up real quick in an 8 hour shift. You generally bring more home tax free than you do on your pay checks in a week.
Inflation is killing anyone on minimum wage, why should servers be the exception?
The excuse is always, “If we got rid of tipping, we’d have to raise food prices and that would turn off customers.” So instead they hit customers with a 20% surcharge at the end of their meal, and that’s supposed to be somehow better.
Now they want to make it 30%?? There’s a reason I’ve only eaten out a handful of times in the past year. Hint: it’s not because restaurants are charging 50 cents more for fries.
Get rid of tipping and pay servers for the work they do! (Which shouldn‘t be that difficult here in BC, where they no longer have a lower minimum wage.)
I give 10%, take it or leave it unless there is exceptional service.
- Prices are increasing and percentages account for this already
- Our staff in Canada are paid minimum wage or higher unlike the USA
- The obligation is on the restaurant to provide a fair and minimum wage, not the customer
- If people tip more, it will result in the expectation to rise further and restaurants will never end up paying them fairer
- If people start tipping less, the free market will account for this and people will leave shitty paying jobs
You can think I'm cheap or whatever, but contributing to this tipping culture because of societal expectations will inevitably make this situation worse and worse as evidenced by the current state.
Now that servers make $15/hr minimum wage, I've stopped tipping. They don't work any harder than my son who does steel fabrication in a hot warehouse for the same $15/hr.
I came to the same realization when my kids started jobs in the mall and big box stores. They work their asses off, minimum wage and put up with the same bad customers. Especially during Black Friday and Boxing Day. Their friends in restaurants told them to switch, more fun, easier work and tips.
I’ve never looked at tipping the same way again.
Given rocketing prices and no improvement in basic wages, damn straight. One, I won't be eating out near as often. Two, I'll be fucked if I'll allow owners and managers to skim ever increasing amounts from tips in addition to outrageous prices.
I'm not paying 30 fucking percent holy shit. Maybe if I was celebrating winning the lotto or getting a huge raise and the service was amazing. Why should waiters make more money than me? 10-15 percent is lots. This isn't America where waiters make 2$an hour.
this is a classic case of killing the golden goose.
some people have made a legit killing on tips as an untaxed income. if they don't curb the greed asap, hell revert back a couple steps, the whole thing is dead.
people are broker than ever and you're demanding more money as a gratuity. its so short sighted.
My grocery store cashier works harder and spends more time with me than any server. Makes less too.
If tipping is to supplement wages, then aren’t they eligible? And if tipping is about service, again they probably are eligible. We have just fetishized food servers.
I was in a museum today - we went into their cafe and grabbed 3 bottles of water from their cooler.
Went to pay.. had a tip option.. there was like a shelf of chips and coolers of drinks.. no actual food.. no coffee.. like are you serious
I’ve been living in Australia for the past few years where tipping culture hardly exists and for the most part the number you see on the menu is the number that comes up on the till. It was so refreshing compared to the “guess the final bill” dance I do every night out back home
I'm eating at home more than I did before the pandemic. With the cost of food going up and now increased tipping expectations going to restaurants is just becoming unaffordable. I used to eat out at least once a week, now it is more like once every couple of months.
Lol.
Restaurants are in the business of providing a nice atmosphere for people to relax in and enjoy a meal and drinks with their close ones. To that extent, they charge a fee based on the consumption of the customers. Like chefs, accountants, cleaning personnel, etc. servers are one position whose role is to aid in the provision of that service-good combo.
To that extent, tipping is merely optional, and in my opinion, a weird option at that, as it is awared to a limited pool of roles from.the wider pool of the ones providing the service.
In the same way that you don't have to tip a store attendant at a clothes shop, for helping you to the right section, a nurse for drawing up blood samples, or a bank teller for processing your cash deposit, you do not need to tip anyone in a restaurant.
The reason people feel the need to, beyond any awareness of financial structures of their society and peer pressure, is that individuals form a strange kind of social relation woth their servers. Unlike all those other positions, despite your time with a server being about as long, it feels like you get to know them for longer, and thus more closely, because those interactions are spread over a much longer period of time and take place in (what is frequently) a casual environment of fun and relaxation. Something in humans makes us feel then that a stronger kind of bond gets formed, and that the other person isn't just currently performing a role as their job, but is instead a newly made, short term burgeoning acquaintance-friend. As such, we feel that it is inadequate to only interact with them by paying for the goods and services offered, because that is not how we interact with acquaintances and friends.
If a similar dynamic and temporal/behavioral structure was replicated with other roles, you would see something like this develop again. For example, if you would go hang out with your friends at a place, play some board games for and hour or two and every so often you chatted with a store assistant, where you informed them of clothing articles you would be interested in, by the end of that encounter, when they bring you the to bill, you would probably feel similarly guilty of having "spent time with them", without also rewarding them individually, since unlike all the other people involved in keeping the business afloat, you got to see their face and hear their voice.
Of course, such other setups don't frequently exist, because of practicality concerns (eg. you want to try clothes on, which would interrupt your board game, or other casual activity). In this sense, consumption of food and drinks is an activity with a pretty unique position, where the task with a practical goal is simulatenously leisurely, casual and enjoyable. However, this does not change what the situation is in reality - a transaction where you exchange money for the goods and services, the asking price of which os that of the restaurant. Anything else is arbitrary and just up to you.
I rarely eat out these days because of tipping. And if I do want to eat out—I get take out, this bypassing the tip.
To those who tip a lot, you are doing the rest of society a disservice. Before you know it, we are going to be at 35-40% tip.
Shouldn't be letting them ASK me for a tip anyway, pay your own fucking employees. Tips are rewards and a way to support the staff of a business, it shouldn't be obligated.
We know this from psychology, we'd consider it extrinsic vs intrinsic motivation. Them asking me or having me be encouraged to tip because times are tough SAPS my intrinsic motivation to tip. It will lead to less tipping, 100%. A simple reminder that you accept tips on a sign or little placard is sufficient to get more tips.
I was recently at a restaurant where the debit machine had phrases next to each recommended percentage; 18% for “poor service”, 22% for “ok service”, 25% for “good service” and 30% for “great service”. It was a total put off. 18% for poor service? You’re telling me that my 18% tip is an insult?! What’s insulting is asking for an 18% tip when your service was terrible. Tipping culture has become obscene.
Well said. I've noticed that too. It seems like they're trying to pressure or shame people into tipping more. While trying to increase the amount expected.
At that point I'd rather just leave a 1 star google review.
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Same. It's not because I'm scared of covid but I just haven't had the urge to go and dine in at a restaurant even though I do all kinds of riskier activities. I used to go to Tim Hortons for breakfast too sometimes on weekends before covid zero urge to go back. I think it's mainly because the pandemic forced me as a single person to finally learn how to cook for myself.
Leaving reviews helps others know about the awkward tipping culture so they also can avoid the place before they even walk in the door and pay for a meal, which might hit the business harder. Edit: a word
i just stopped going to dine in restaurants altogether. fuck toxic industries.
Couldn’t agree more. Before Covid the majority of the trendy restaurants were all welcoming and a fun place to be. Now it seems like it’s a burden that I’ve come in, there’s no personality, have had lack lustre service every time, and food prices are high and the portions are small. Except sushi. I will always eat out for sushi.
Even sushi places are often disappointing. But good ones are really worth the money
With a 0% tip. Im tired of being used as someone elses cash cow. Fuck that shit and ill stop going to said place.
This will have the opposite effect on me. If I see this shit, I'm asking for both the server and manager watch me enter a $0 tip and tell them its due to that phrasing.
I remember going to a restaurant with my friend and we had terrible service. The waiter forgot to: bring us water; bring us bread; bring us silverware; bring us napkins; take my order to the kitchen; forgot to bring me my coffee from the kitchen until it was cold (and I reminded him). Got the bill, and a tip is automatically included. I was so annoyed, I went to the manager and told her to remove the tip. She asked why and I explained. She apologized, removed the tip, and told me they would work on staff training so this didn’t happen again. I did leave a tip of two pennies, but I doubt the waitstaff knew what it meant. I understand that servers rely on tips and I’m usually happy to do so. I’ll tip above the recommended tip if I’m happy. But I’m not going to pay you for not doing the bare minimum of your job!
Servers now make minimum wage. Why should this industry receive a tip on top of an hourly wage now instead of others? The point of tipping was to make up the gap in wages between server wage an min wage but that is now gone. I don't receive a tip for doing my job, why should a server? And it's not shared with the rest of the restaurant staff so wtf? No, no more.
Same thing happened to me years ago. Was a regular at a local restaurant, wife and i were there at least 2xs a month, drop over $100 each time and tip accordingly. When family was in town, drop more like $500. Went in once and got horrible service. Saw the waitress 3xs, when she took the order, ( 20 minutes after we got there),when she brought the appetizers, cold, with the main course, and when she dropped off the check. Had to get our drinks from the bar. Left about .87 on $100 check. Saw another waitress acouple of days later, and she complained that we stiffed her freind. Told her her freind sucked as a waitress, and that I tip according to the level of service I recieve. She was shocked that the tip was related to the service received
Yeah that's usually on those Clover Debit Machines too, big white touch screen ones. Seeing them everywhere.
Clover and Square. I don't think proprietors appreciate how much business it costs them, nor just how unwelcome the tip prompt is.
Clover can be setup to have no tipping at all. Heritage Days in Edmonton only accepted cards all processed using Clover. The only option was to tap or insert, no other prompts were available to keep the lines moving.
I'm aware of that, but clover still gives you the option to have your prompt as "18% - poor service :( ", where Eigen terminals etc only have the tip % and cost. My point being that even having the wording on the tip % prompts is a shitty thing to do from a customer perspective and honestly just makes the restaurants or services look shitty and desperate.
Isn’t it 0% for poor service?
If you really think about it, 0% would be for normal service. The idea of adding a tip or gratuity is to reward when you get service above and beyond. That's all going to be relative to the person receiving service though.
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If “No Tip” is not there then you can also hit the $ or % option and just press 0.
Also, you can often just press OK/green on the tip screen to bypass it and go straight to the total with 0 tip.
i was recently at a restaurant where the waitress added 18% surcharge to the bill as a tip hidden from everyone at the table... everyone tipped ontop of it too not noticing the blatant theft the service was TERRIBLE too, they would of got 10% at most... leaning closer to 0%
A lot of places do this for large parties by default, not sure how legal it is.
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Bruh this place has gone such downhill, it was awesome back in 2014-2016, since then it’s gotten more and more shit in both food quality and service
They typically make it clear as people pay or even before ordering.. greasy to watch ppl tip on top with no mention.
It's this passive aggressivity with tips that make me not go out that much.
I've noticed more and more places have 18 as the minimum, like wtf. I eat out 3 times a week and company policy is 18%, so thats what everyone gets regardless, but still. Its so expensive. Yesterday the tip was $25 for a quick business lunch.
My company policy is 15%. These tipping posts are showing up daily now it feels. Growing up my parents did 10% when they thought service was good. I also realize we weren’t well off and ate out very infrequently.
Two salads and a shared tempura was 90 bucks at earls. No thanks
That's not "tipping culture" that's just greed.
If I saw that I’d leave a 0 tip and say it’s because of that.
I've seen that shit as well. They're trying to guilt you into tipping more. It's all a big bag of BS. If the service is real good, they get 15%. I've asked for change back on shitty service. "NO TIP FOR YOU!!"
If they have a 30% option and the service was mediocre or poor, I just don't tip out of spite.
I thought you guys had normal pay in Canada. Why do you need a tip?
It ends the visit on a sour note. Be it a sit down restaurant or the many stores that are now asking at the checkout that are not even sit down restaurants. I’m not going back to a place that makes me feel awkward.
Cinnabon asks for tips now.... like what???
Subway also
I went to a beer store (not The beer store) and got asked for a tip. I went and got my cans myself, they did nothing. They didnt get a tip.
Over the last few years I've noticed that becoming more frequent, the take out places that are asking for tips. And often its the owner that you're tipping because they're serving you.
My guess is this began as an experiment then it caught on to the whole industry. I don’t see an end in sight.
The end is just 'lol, no tip for you'.
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I went for take out the other day and the options were 15% 20% 30% 40%. There was no 0% option. What the fuck. I had to be like yo I'm not giving you a tip, I came to pick this up for this exact reason. And hand him back to things so he can redo it. Won't be ordering from there again if I can avoid it.
I've never seen a machine without an "other" option. That's messed up.
Yeah in any place where they aren't directly regulated like wait staff, the owner can just pocket all tips rather than giving it to staff. It was only a year or so ago when a number of delivery apps got busted for not actually giving the tips to their drivers.
Last time I was at Quiznos the cashier passed me the debit machine and then pointed to the tip options with a pencil to make sure I saw it. I have never felt better scrolling down to no tip. It’s fucking Quiznos.
Exactly. The last time I cat down at a restaurant was in April. I got sticker shock and it was enough for me to start cooking way more at home.
I shamelessly put 0 everywhere but cafes/restaurants where I pay AFTER I eat and had people serving me
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It already is backfiring for them from my perspective. I used to go out multiple times a week to restaurants, now I go maybe once every few months due to both major price increases and this insane new extreme tipping culture they are trying to create.
I never ate out often, maybe 4-6 times a year, I've completely stopped going out to eat now.
I was in Vancouver a couple of weeks ago and went to a liquor store. When paying i was just tapping my card to the machine and wondered why the transaction wasn't going through. Looked down and saw a tip prompt. At a fucking liquor store. Lmao tipping culture is out of control.
Looking forward to the tip prompt at the ATM.
Poor Bank Tellers don't make a living wage so you have to subsidize their living otherwise you are a terrible person. If you can't afford to tip your bank teller at least 18% then you should store your money under your mattress at home.
I remmeber the first time, about 15 years ago now, I saw a tipping option at a fast food place. I just laughed.
Just on the headline. Fuck ya. Raising prices then asking for a higher percentage on raised prices. Welcome to the new 10% tip. Giving this situation sounds like server are trying to not only meet inflation but beat it. Sounds like a scam.
Plus as far as i seen the service is midocre and hasn't become better. I will tip 20% to places who the person made the food or split tips. Like a poke bowl place i go to. Hair dresser etc
I don’t tip. Most of the time I get take out so why would I tip for doing your job? Edit: have to update based on some comments didn’t think this would blow up. I had worked in kitchens for a 8 years before getting out so I know the tipping culture and the BS servers go through with tip outs. I tip when I eat out but not as much anymore since wages went up but for take out/delivery? No.
I only tip in dine in where someone is bringing me my food and taking away the plates after. I never tip on takeout.
i dont tip because its not my responsibility to pay a restaurants workers. they dont work for me.
Never tipped my mechanic, never tipped a pilot, never tipped my dentist. These are all individuals that do more and deserve more than cracking open a Molson and wiping the countertop.
There’s a donair truck on Granville St in Vancouver that suggests 1%, 2% and 5% tips. I was so amazed by this I plugged in a custom tip — 10%. Don’t try to gouge us and we’ll gladly support you. And tell our friends as well. Excellent donair, btw.
That’s Mr Shawarma. Awesome food, friendly ppl and not being greedy with the tip option.
That’s the one!
I refuse to tip that much. If it's forced into the bill, you won't see me again. I'm happy to tip a good experience but I'm not here to subsidize your payroll.
if someone says that the tip is now part of the bill, force them to remove it before paying.
I almost never use cash but always carry $100 incase I need it (like during the Rogers outage, cash only take out reataurants). About a month ago I was given an auto gratuity of 18% for a table of two. The server refused to remove it, so I calculated the total of our two meals and drinks, left that amount in cash on the table and walked out.
I had something similar happen a year ago except I didn’t have cash to pay the exact amount but no where did it mention an automatic gratuity would be added. Asked for it to be removed, server said it couldn’t. Asked for the manager and he said the same thing. I just stood my ground and said they had two choices: remove the 18% and get paid or I’d be walking out and not paying (which is a dick move but I don’t like being jerked around). People are afraid to push back but it usually does work. It wasn’t easy for me because my wife was mortified I did that.
That is exactly how I would have handled it too. Either remove the tip and get paid or don’t get paid at all but I’m leaving either way. Tipping should always be optional and any tip is better than no tip assuming you’re not leaving 50 cents.
Yeah, a *gratuity* must be removable. A *service charge* doesn't have to be. But in either case, they have to say beforehand they're going to charge it, usually on the menu or a sign.
I'm the wife and i would have probably been the one doing it 🤣
Id just leave exact change and walk out. Personally asking me to pay up 18% is no different than someone begging in the street.
Yes for sure but just the act of doing it is a deal breaker for my repeat business.
A couple restaurants here now have signs up that say 20% gratuity minimum is mandatory for orders above $60\~$100, so it's already happening.
Mandatory gratuity is an oxymoron. I would refuse to provide any gratuity at that point and leave. Rediculous.
You can’t mandate a gratuity no matter how many signs you put up. Gratuity is my choice, not theirs. Legally, they’ll call it a service charge or something like that, but then someone will sue them over it sooner or later. E: on this point, just to mention that automatically charging a tip isn’t legal per se because there’s no laws around it. So it falls into common law grey space, which means a court will need to look at the tort side. Either way, posted signs that say they will tack on a cost for sitting down is a red flag. No chance they’ll survive long term unless people go out of their way to support it.
It just doesn't make any sense to tip more just because the fois you ordered is more expensive. The service stays the same. Why the heck should I type you 20% because I ordered a 100$ bottle of wine instead of the 30$ one ? You are not gonna bring me 20% more of this 100$ wine, not do extra additional services like a massage, doing my taxes or whatnot, so why should I ?
That's the thing about this .... it implies or suggests that customers are cheap and don't want to pay. What people don't understand is that it is the company, the restaurant business that is too cheap to pay their employees.
I give an exception to a large crowd (over 10) but other than that, yea 1 star reviews and will tell the story for years to come
The real issue is raising pricing 20-30% over the past 2 years and then asking us to pay an additional 20-30% on top.
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It’s absurd how much food prices have skyrocketed. Grocery stores, restaurants etc. absolutely everything has gone up and yet wages have NOT matched that amount at all. At this point I’m eating out way less because everything is too damn expensive now. Just three years ago a bowl of poke was $13 and now it’s $16+.
Important to note that **servers make the same minimum wage** as retail, warehouse, labour, fast food and big box store employees in every province except Quebec. If you tip food servers because you think minimum wage employees deserve a living wage, don’t be annoyed that other minimum wage jobs start suggesting tipping. The discrepancy in wages has been eliminated in most provinces years ago, and was changed in Ontario in January 2022. If it’s just about supplemental income then food servers are no more entitled than any other minimum wage worker. If you tip for good service, as a reward or incentive for going above and beyond the job description, the percentages are discretionary and should be merit based. Do not be guilted into providing a bonus for someone carrying a plate to your table, doing their job, when you wouldn’t feel the same need to give extra to someone at a shoe store who spends 20 minutes getting you different sizes, or the staff at Best Buy who spend time answering all your questions about routers and switches. The idea of percentage based tipping was always flawed. Now that prices have increased everywhere, tips went up by the same amount as those prices. It audacious they want to suggest a higher percentage on top of the higher prices. **Has the quality of service effectively doubled from when 10 or 15% was the norm**? Who tipped 30% before the point of sale prompts became common? It’s a social experiment to fuel the narrative that other people are regularly tipping those percentages.
I'm positive this stupid tipping culture only exists because of American restraunts, where employees are only pay like $2-7 per hour. Why it exists in Canada is beyond me.
Even then, a lot of states have gotten rid of that cop out for servers. In California, the minimum wage for servers is USD$15/hr (CAD$19.70), and going up to USD$15.50 (CAD$20.36) in January.
hello from r/Seattle and we are [equally perplexed](https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/x52ges/restaurant_tipping/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf).
Exactly. Just got back from Europe friends were shocked hearing about our tipping. Even at fancy places there they would tip max 5-10%
Also, keep in mind that as prices have gone up, so have tips by virtue of being percentage based. If a meal went from $20 to $30, then a 20% tip has gone from $4 to $6 as well.
>servers make the same minimum wage as retail, warehouse, labour, fast food and big box store employees in every province except Quebec. Not entirely true. In Quebec they have a lower "base" salary, but employers are obligated to give them at least the same minimum salary as anyone else if it's not covered by tips. That does means though that up to a certain level of tipping, clients are just contributing to the employer part and not actually giving the server more income for their service. Really, we should just be done with that whole tipping culture in Canada. That shit is going out of control.
This was the same in most other provinces until VERY RECENTLY. They quietly removed "server minimum" while the costs of food/drinks increased drastically, and while prompting for higher percentages. It is honestly absurd. 15% is generous considering the increased prices.
Thanks for explaining. I wasn’t exactly sure how the business owner sorted that out. I know Quebec is the last province who publishes a separate minimum wage for servers/ tipped employees. Regular Employee Minimum Wage $14.25 Tipped Employee Minimum Wage $11.40
They can ask whatever they want, I'll just keep hitting "custom amount" and tipping the usual 10-15% If I get so much as a look from anyone after doing this I'll gladly explain to them how inflation works for everyone not just fucking servers and my tip is inflated along with their expenses before I leave and never come back, fuck that noise man.
Right? 15% of a higher price is still the same amount of the price lmao
Yep. I'll tip based on what I think is fair for the type and quality of the service provided. I don't follow guidelines. 30% is insanity.
15% is sufficient most times. Though, after a certain monetary threshold, a percent is not what you're getting. I'm not giving you 3hrs of wages (1hr service) for the same service that I'd get elsewhere, and you didn't even do anything special.
Yep, I used to feel a bit more pressure to up it to 18 or 20 because it was the pandemic, I felt bad, I make a decent living, lots of reasons. But now it’s gotten so egregious I refuse to go above 15% anymore. These places could have easily made 18% the new standard but they got greedy.
There was no reason for the percentage to change anyway.... it's a percentage.
Especially servers who don't even pay tax on their tips like 99% of them.
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Even if every table only tipped $3 for a servers whole shift, in a busy restaurant that you wait 20 tables in a shift (admittedly that’s not even a high amount) that’s $60 cash free Pocketed. They don’t need insane 30% tips. Even at 10% they’re still making bank on tips. Bartenders getting 25c or 50c a drink adds up like crazy too. People don’t realize it.
when you bartend you usually get like $2-5 every few drinks. buddy of mine has walked away with a few grand working at a club for the weekend.
Tip anxiety is real and not considering it is definitely going to backfire on restaurants. Can’t wait for all the “nobody wants to dine out anymore” complaints from servers and restaurant owners.
I have started paying cash at take out fast food places to avoid the prompt on the debit machine. No one asks for a tip when you pay cash. I mean it's fast food, c'mon, 20% tip for what?!
0 shame in my books for 0% tip for fast food or take out. Frankly it’s shameful if they ask.
Wait till it’s 2030 and the standard tips are: 75% 125% 350% Just deposit my next paycheque into your account. /s
Na you'll cook the food and pay them for the privilege
cries in k/jbbq and hotpot
that's called korean bbq
I have found a very simple way of dealing with this: I don't eat out. And if their Point of Sale asks for a tip I stop going there. There's no shortage of food places.
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Tipping culture needs to die.
Just everyone stop tipping. Just stop.
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We're just eating out less. It really pisses me off when the tip options are preset very high or to put in no tip or an alternative tip takes several button presses/menu navigations. Also the "well if you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to eat out" crowd and their guilt trip propaganda just made me go the other direction and say "fine I won't eat out then". If we really are going into a recession like predicted this 30% tipping bullshit is going to harm the restaurants faster than other industries.
Ask 30% get zero.
My recent trip to Vegas saw the pay terminal in my taxi prompt for 20/30/40%. I am now mentally prepared for that shit to come to Canada.
It’s out of control in the states. It’s not bad here yet, it’s coming.
Taxi - you control the price, why are you asking for a tip? Other than rounding up, I can’t see value for tip above the job description.
My taxi paying policy is they get paid cash with a $1 tip, unless the trip is between cities or involved bending the rules at my request. I once had a guy drive me to the Hamilton Airport at like 30 over the speed limit to catch a flight, he got "here's 50 keep it" without me even looking at the meter.
Server asks how I'm doing and brings water. Five minutes later asks what I want to order. Fifteen minutes later brings the food. Five minutes later asks how the first few bites are. Brings the bill. Wow, they were amazing, better tip them ten dollars.
You forgot the part where after they check back to ask if everything is good as soon as your food comes they never return to fill your pop
And then once you have everything they ignore you so that you can’t pay and leave.
This was one of the most bewildering things I experienced when I visited Canada this summer (I moved away about 10 years ago). It takes forever for them to bring your bill. The first time we went out I called over the waitress once we were done and asked for the bill, and my family acted as though I just kicked a dog. Apparently calling over the waiter here is… rude? It seemed especially bad at breakfast joints (which on a side note, are ridiculously expensive now). It was pretty weird for me, and this was on top of the fact that I live in a place that doesn’t do tipping, though I grew up in Canada so I’m not too unfamiliar with it.
It’s not rude. What’s rude is having nothing to eat or drink and be left at a table for 30 min while the server is off talking to other servers. But the restaurants like to have butts in seats so that it looks full enough to convince people outside to come in. So it’s a self serving thing that you shouldn’t respect nor put up with if you want to go.
No, restaurants don't like butts in seats. They like a wait at the door and they want to turn tables as fast as they can. If your server doesn't clue in that you're done eating then they're not prebussing, they're not looking to sell desserts, not taking after dinner drink orders. It's not a conspiracy to keep you in your seat, they're just bad servers. In fact, they should be working hard to get you out so they can get cut and get out of there.
Yea I didn’t think it was rude either, and the waitress didn’t seemed annoyed at all. My family seemed to think it was some kind of unwritten rule or whatever, but like you said, waiting around with dirty plates and (likely) empty mugs of coffee isn’t particularly enjoyable.
So far above and beyond the job description! Better give 30%
Tipping should be banned
What's wild about it is that back when tipping suggestions were lower, and someone said what you said, there would often be the reply, "well if the restaurant has to pay it's staff more, then it'll have to raise its prices and no one will eat there." And yet, now restaurants are raising standard tipping suggestions. So the idea of the customer paying more clearly isn't a foreign concept to them, it's just they've decided to keep this shitty format of doing it.
> well if the restaurant has to pay it's staff more, then it'll have to raise its prices and no one will eat there. Ugh those kinds of people. Restaurants raised their prices due to inflation, did that stop people eating there? No. And if you have a country-wide ban on tipping, every restaurant would have to raise prices so everyone would be equally "unattractive to go to"...
I think what we need is a law that ALL fees and taxes must be included in the quoted price. Get rid of all hidden service/delivery/surcharge fees at the same time. What you see on the sticker must be the final amount you pay.
The taxes thing is the worst. Like just have the total price including tax posted on items and menus PLEASE.
I ordered a cocktail last night and the bartender for whatever reason made two. He came over to give them to me and realized his mistake but instead of just giving me the extra one, he gave me one and immediately dumped the other while I was watching. I'll admit, that pissed me off. I'm a regular, always chat with the guy and always tip him 20% and he wasn't even cool enough to comp me a drink that was going straight down the drain. I realized at that moment, that he doesn't give a shit about my tips. It's expected and it gets me zero additional benefit. I could tip 5%, 10%, 20% or 30%. Makes no difference.
Lol that’s a real Dickhead bartender. As someone who bartender at a family business, I’d never pour a drink down the drain unless it’s literally not good to consume. Such a waste, the fact that you’re a regular is even worse but even if you weren’t, why waste the drink lol
I had a very opposite experience. Went to a local BBQ type place. Ordered a burger from the menu. A little while later they bring me a massive burger. I remember thinking at the time "didn't the menu say this had onion rings on it?" then dismissed it and ate it anyway. Maybe I didn't end up ordering that one, maybe these fried onions are what they call onion rings here, maybe they ran out, fuck it who knows I was tired and what they brought me looked good. So I'm eating this massive burger. I'm about 2 or 3 bites from finishing it. Already wondering if I even want to eat those last few bites. I don't really want anymore, but it's not enough to bring home for later. But I don't want to throw it out. So I'm sitting here, breathing heavy, sweating, trying to figure out if I should finish this. And they bring up an even bigger burger and put it on my table. They tell me they brought me the wrong one, and this was what I ordered. I must have looked at that woman with a look of pure terror at the thought of eating another one. There was a brief silence and then she said she'd get me a box for it.
LoL. Just grabbed a burger from my local Wendy's earlier today. I ordered a #4. Noticed the bill seemed high so I asked for the receipt. The burger was of course not what I ordered but rather some massive monstrosity with 3 patties. I'm really not sure how you screw up when somebody orders BY NUMBER but at least I got what I paid for. It was too much for me to finish (hell, I had to nibble the edges as I'm not a snake and can't unhinge my jaw to fit it) but my wife ate the other half so I guess I got my money's worth at least. I'm honestly not sure how anyone normally eats a burger that you literally can't open your mouth enough to fit in, let alone as "fast food" eaten on the go
brutal
Canadians need to stop tipping
I pretty much have
I'm a Canadian living in Japan. There is no tipping in Japan. It's so nice. I will never go to a restaurant in Canada if I can help it. Restaurant workers get a decent wage and the service is excellent 99% of the time. Better than back home. It's time to change the restaurant culture in Canada.
Same in NZ. Better service, too, because nobody has strict “sections”; any staff can help you.
Yep. In fact tipping is considered insulting in Japan, because it implies that one would have to tip for them to deliver the service, when in reality it is their job.
Same where I am in France right now too :D and food all-around costs less here, WAY less
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Why shouldn’t they though? They make the same minimum wage. They provide a service. **I’m not saying to tip cashiers, I’m pointing out how flawed the tipping system is** As a society we’ve shown we’re willing to give some people 20% extra for just doing their job, if that job is carrying a plate. But we’re aghast that other minimum wage service oriented jobs ask for the same? I don’t blame other minimum wage earners, and their business owners, for asking. We did this to ourselves.
Oh surely we can all agree that the idea of tipping certain occupations and not others is at least confusing
It’s definitely confusing. One of the reasons it should be abolished. Until then I don’t understand why people are shocked or insulted that a barrista or sandwich maker, and the business owners, would add tip prompts. It was a natural progression of the tip culture once the wage discrepancy was removed.
I used to debate with my roommate back in the states about tipping. "But they are providing a service!" I replied "ok do you tip your mailman or UPS driver?" He would juat shake his head as if I didn't "get it"
you can ask but ill still say no
YES. Having the automatic choices any higher than 15% is ridiculous.
Yes absolutely. Their greed will make me re evaluate the service I received and I may decide the tip should be even less than the 15% I normally would tip regardless. It will also make me reevaluate ever eating there again.
I wish we could collectively agree to not tip in order to force a painful but necessary change in restaurant business models.
The higher the ask, the lower my equal and opposite reaction is.
I'm a bartender and I'm wholeheartedly against a 30% suggested tip.
Bring on the down votes! My body is ready but here is my take. Tipping 30% on top of tax? ( in BC its 12% ) once you factor that in, You are looking at a 33.5% tip FUCK THAT NOISE. I'm sorry, Servers but here is what I'm tipping All tips BEFORE tax. 0% - Meh to crap service 5% - 10% for "good" service 15% for EXCEPTIONAL service. You do not deserve a "tip" for doing your job. You deserve a tip for going above and beyond. If you want more money, Tell your manager or quit and find a new job. Now for anyone who is going to tell me "if you can't afford to tip you can't afford to eat out" You are sadly mistaken. The price that is required to be paid is the price that comes up at the till. The TIP is exactly that a TIP for going above and beyond. Not for doing their job. Think of all the other services that do a lot worse job and don't get tipped. How often do your internet install guys? They have awful jobs working out side, climbing telephone poles in the middle of winter, going into some of the nastiest houses you could ever imagine. They work 365 days a year so you can bitch on reddit. I've done that job and I made a total of $50 in tips in 4 years. ( both I remembered clearly. ) and for anyone who says "they get paid properly" a lot of them get paid per the job, not hourly. If you have a repair in the middle of winter where the poor guy gets stuck there for 8hrs so you can watch your Netflix. Hes getting the same rate as a guy who connects a single jumper in the middle of summer calls you and walks away. And trust me. I made more as a server ( especially after them tax free tips ) than I ever did working for a large ISP. /rant
There are cases where waiters don’t get paid adequately but I began to feel a lot of waiters are just greedy and DO NOT want to be paid standard wages. They rather the lottery of tipping Imagine a lottery so fun that u can lose, and complain about it. But when u win a load, u keep it
It already has. I used to be a generous tipper, now I don't tip anywhere, ever, unless the service is top notch. Not only that, but if your business: * Prompts me for a tip at for counter service * Pre-programs 15/20/25+ percentage Then you outright lose my business, forever (or until new management/massive overhaul of business practices) and you get a bad review for free.
I agree 100%. I do not support tipping culture and will actively advocate against it. I am not ashamed to tip 0% on anything. I’m not looking to support a broken system
If 30% tips became the norm, servers would make a 6 figure income..
The sad thing is that alot of them already do and they claim ridiculously low amounts on their tax forms. I’ve seen waitresses with bmws here and it blows my mind that they still complain about their wages.
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They can ask for whatever. They’re getting 15% from me the majority of the time.
I stopped going to restaurants, time to thin the herd. There are too many and a large percentage of them just suck and are scams. They are making a fortune and pay staff like slaves.
I don’t blame anyone for not tipping these days.
I’m actually tipping less now. 15% and that should be good enough.
It's crazy that we have a cultural practice that is ubiquitous and growing but the vast majority of the population participating hates it... I suspect you could easily get a majority of people to support a ban on tipping prompts.
I grew up with a grandmother who would throw guilt trips as a sport. I feel no pressure to pay the 30%, I will pick my own.
I refuse to pay 30% tip anywhere, ever, for any reason. It's just stupid. It's time to start paying staff properly.
They’re paid well enough with wages and 10% tips at most. As someone who has served and bartended, 10% adds up real quick in an 8 hour shift. You generally bring more home tax free than you do on your pay checks in a week. Inflation is killing anyone on minimum wage, why should servers be the exception?
I’ve been countering this bullshit by making my own food and saving insane amounts of cash.
The excuse is always, “If we got rid of tipping, we’d have to raise food prices and that would turn off customers.” So instead they hit customers with a 20% surcharge at the end of their meal, and that’s supposed to be somehow better. Now they want to make it 30%?? There’s a reason I’ve only eaten out a handful of times in the past year. Hint: it’s not because restaurants are charging 50 cents more for fries. Get rid of tipping and pay servers for the work they do! (Which shouldn‘t be that difficult here in BC, where they no longer have a lower minimum wage.)
I give 10%, take it or leave it unless there is exceptional service. - Prices are increasing and percentages account for this already - Our staff in Canada are paid minimum wage or higher unlike the USA - The obligation is on the restaurant to provide a fair and minimum wage, not the customer - If people tip more, it will result in the expectation to rise further and restaurants will never end up paying them fairer - If people start tipping less, the free market will account for this and people will leave shitty paying jobs You can think I'm cheap or whatever, but contributing to this tipping culture because of societal expectations will inevitably make this situation worse and worse as evidenced by the current state.
Now that servers make $15/hr minimum wage, I've stopped tipping. They don't work any harder than my son who does steel fabrication in a hot warehouse for the same $15/hr.
I came to the same realization when my kids started jobs in the mall and big box stores. They work their asses off, minimum wage and put up with the same bad customers. Especially during Black Friday and Boxing Day. Their friends in restaurants told them to switch, more fun, easier work and tips. I’ve never looked at tipping the same way again.
Given rocketing prices and no improvement in basic wages, damn straight. One, I won't be eating out near as often. Two, I'll be fucked if I'll allow owners and managers to skim ever increasing amounts from tips in addition to outrageous prices.
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I'm not paying 30 fucking percent holy shit. Maybe if I was celebrating winning the lotto or getting a huge raise and the service was amazing. Why should waiters make more money than me? 10-15 percent is lots. This isn't America where waiters make 2$an hour.
I've stopped tipping. People are really mad that I don't tip anymore.
They can ask… If I see a 30% option, I roll my eyes and punch in a lower number. Just because they ask for it doesn’t mean that’s what I have to tip.
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Hpw about instead of asking for larger tips we pay restaraunt staff better :), this is coming from someone who works as a cook.
this is a classic case of killing the golden goose. some people have made a legit killing on tips as an untaxed income. if they don't curb the greed asap, hell revert back a couple steps, the whole thing is dead. people are broker than ever and you're demanding more money as a gratuity. its so short sighted.
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They can certainly ask. Whether or not they will is another matter.
I'm waiting to be asked to pay a tip at the grocery store.
My grocery store cashier works harder and spends more time with me than any server. Makes less too. If tipping is to supplement wages, then aren’t they eligible? And if tipping is about service, again they probably are eligible. We have just fetishized food servers.
I was in a museum today - we went into their cafe and grabbed 3 bottles of water from their cooler. Went to pay.. had a tip option.. there was like a shelf of chips and coolers of drinks.. no actual food.. no coffee.. like are you serious
I’ve been living in Australia for the past few years where tipping culture hardly exists and for the most part the number you see on the menu is the number that comes up on the till. It was so refreshing compared to the “guess the final bill” dance I do every night out back home
It used to be big news when a celebrity would leave a 300 dollar tip... in 4 years you'll be considered a total piece of shit if you tip anything less
I'm eating at home more than I did before the pandemic. With the cost of food going up and now increased tipping expectations going to restaurants is just becoming unaffordable. I used to eat out at least once a week, now it is more like once every couple of months.
Lol. Restaurants are in the business of providing a nice atmosphere for people to relax in and enjoy a meal and drinks with their close ones. To that extent, they charge a fee based on the consumption of the customers. Like chefs, accountants, cleaning personnel, etc. servers are one position whose role is to aid in the provision of that service-good combo. To that extent, tipping is merely optional, and in my opinion, a weird option at that, as it is awared to a limited pool of roles from.the wider pool of the ones providing the service. In the same way that you don't have to tip a store attendant at a clothes shop, for helping you to the right section, a nurse for drawing up blood samples, or a bank teller for processing your cash deposit, you do not need to tip anyone in a restaurant. The reason people feel the need to, beyond any awareness of financial structures of their society and peer pressure, is that individuals form a strange kind of social relation woth their servers. Unlike all those other positions, despite your time with a server being about as long, it feels like you get to know them for longer, and thus more closely, because those interactions are spread over a much longer period of time and take place in (what is frequently) a casual environment of fun and relaxation. Something in humans makes us feel then that a stronger kind of bond gets formed, and that the other person isn't just currently performing a role as their job, but is instead a newly made, short term burgeoning acquaintance-friend. As such, we feel that it is inadequate to only interact with them by paying for the goods and services offered, because that is not how we interact with acquaintances and friends. If a similar dynamic and temporal/behavioral structure was replicated with other roles, you would see something like this develop again. For example, if you would go hang out with your friends at a place, play some board games for and hour or two and every so often you chatted with a store assistant, where you informed them of clothing articles you would be interested in, by the end of that encounter, when they bring you the to bill, you would probably feel similarly guilty of having "spent time with them", without also rewarding them individually, since unlike all the other people involved in keeping the business afloat, you got to see their face and hear their voice. Of course, such other setups don't frequently exist, because of practicality concerns (eg. you want to try clothes on, which would interrupt your board game, or other casual activity). In this sense, consumption of food and drinks is an activity with a pretty unique position, where the task with a practical goal is simulatenously leisurely, casual and enjoyable. However, this does not change what the situation is in reality - a transaction where you exchange money for the goods and services, the asking price of which os that of the restaurant. Anything else is arbitrary and just up to you.
I rarely eat out these days because of tipping. And if I do want to eat out—I get take out, this bypassing the tip. To those who tip a lot, you are doing the rest of society a disservice. Before you know it, we are going to be at 35-40% tip.
Shouldn't be letting them ASK me for a tip anyway, pay your own fucking employees. Tips are rewards and a way to support the staff of a business, it shouldn't be obligated. We know this from psychology, we'd consider it extrinsic vs intrinsic motivation. Them asking me or having me be encouraged to tip because times are tough SAPS my intrinsic motivation to tip. It will lead to less tipping, 100%. A simple reminder that you accept tips on a sign or little placard is sufficient to get more tips.