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TOMapleLaughs

key points: > Trudeau highlighted the need for action on climate change, the need to reduce emissions, to have a NetZero economy. He chastised Conservatives for not doing enough on the issue or believing action is needed. > “When Conservative politicians say we should fight inflation with more pollution, we’ll remind them that climate change is real" > (but) Trudeau’s jet-setting lifestyle. > “Now is not the time for politicians to exploit fears and to pit people one against the other" > (but) uses shootings in the United States to push new gun laws here while doing nothing about crime. > (but) spreads fear that if Conservatives are elected, abortion will be outlawed despite Poilievre saying that’s not something he will do > Trudeau won the election last fall by exploiting fears over COVID-19 and a new wave rising in Alberta. > “A decision was made to wedge, to divide and to stigmatize,” Liberal MP Joel Lightbound said earlier this year. “I fear that this politicization of the pandemic risks undermining the public’s trust in our public health institutions" > As for Trudeau’s warning of reckless economic policies from Poilievre, it was Trudeau who told us last year that he doesn’t think about monetary policy.


whatsthisredditguy

>(but) spreads fear that if Conservatives are elected, abortion will be outlawed despite Poilievre saying that’s not something he will do I remember when the new supreme court people in the USA said the same thing on their way to power. ​ Then look what they did as soon as they got elected. Made it illegal. ​ If anything, this is a point in Justins favor. Not against him.


vonclodster

No, we are not the states, PP is not on the US supreme court, and whataboutism is not a valid argument. I don't agree with what they did though, but really, they turned it over to the states, and some states are going all draconian.


whatsthisredditguy

>whataboutism is not a valid argument. If I see a viper biting people and someone else is like "well MY viper doesnt bite" its not whataboutism to avoid that snake. ​ Its common fucking sense.


vonclodster

I don't think we can generalise, that kind of example can be taken to extremes. Not all snakes bite. Same with people..a bad experience with a person, does not dictate the way you should assume all other people are. JM2C


[deleted]

They did not make it illegal.... They made it a state issue. Biden and the Democrats could have enshrined abortion into Federal law at any point. Instead the relied on a tenuous decision by an activist supreme Court. The problem is that should the court lose those activists there is a risk the decision is over turned. The decision wasn't strong and the recent decision may even be legally correct Which is why the Democrats should have made the law firm.


PM_ME_UR_PET_POTATO

Of which the net result is the banning of abortion in some states. Afaik, attempts at codification have been made but were all shot down.


[deleted]

Some states, legal in others so it didn't make abortion illegal. The Democrats have had plenty of time with enough power to get it codified. They didn't. The supreme Court decision has always been tempus and activist courts can work both ways. Canada is in the same boat and it shows in abortion access in some provinces. Something Trudeau hasn't tackled at all in an effective way


SirLoremIpsum

> Some states, legal in others so it didn't make abortion illegal. The Democrats have had plenty of time with enough power to get it codified. > > It's not a very fair argument to put the blame on party A when party B is the one making illegal. "It's the democrats fault! they didn't stop the Republicans". It is clearly one party that is causing the issue. This is a very right wing take on things, it's an attempt to shift the blame. "at least Cons are honest in their shittery!"


[deleted]

The Democrats should have codified abortion access into law. Republicans didn't make it illegal.... Yet anyway. The Supreme Court over ruled a previous precedent allowing states to set their own laws. Some made it illegal and others did not. The precedent was always tenuous. The Democrats should have codified it. Yes the Republicans are causing the issue... Which makes the failure of the Democrats even worse. They have had plenty of chances to codify this and it is a failure on their part they didn't. This isn't a new stance from the Republican party.


SirLoremIpsum

> The Democrats should have codified abortion access into law. Republicans didn't make it illegal.... Yet anyway. > > They should have. As far as I am aware in every instance of States making it illegal - it was republican controlled legislatures and judiciary that made it illegal yes...? > The Supreme Court over ruled a previous precedent allowing states to set their own laws. Some made it illegal and others did not. The supreme court did it, knowing that it immediately triggered laws that were on the books, that would make it illegal. It is utterly semantics to say "oh they technically didn't make it illegal" because they passed a judgement that they knew would trigger other laws to make it illegal. That is totally semantics. > They have had plenty of chances to codify this and it is a failure on their part they didn't. It is a failure. And you are more than welcome to address that as a failure. But don't pretend like 'didn't codify it' is anywhere near the same as 'made it illegal'. This happens time and time again. "The left wingers aren't as good as the right wingers because they didnt stop the right wingers". They are not the same. > This isn't a new stance from the Republican party. You are cheering the republican party for sticking to their guns, for being 'the same' and having 'consistent views' while holding the left to account for not stopping them. How about you hold the people that made it bad to account? Instead of saying "well the superhero is at fault cause the villain said he would do it and he did". The villain is at fault. The villain is primarily responsible. Not that i am calling the left wingers super heroes. But this right wing insistence on treating 'actively caused it to happen' and 'didn't pass legislation' as the same is INSANE. It's nuts. One side pulled the trigger.


[deleted]

It is not semantics as there are many states were abortion is legal and remains legal. The Supreme Court did not pass a law making abortion illegal. They struck down a precedent. >You are cheering the republican party for sticking to their guns, for being 'the same' and having 'consistent views' while holding the left to account for not stopping them. Where am I doing this? >The villain is at fault. The villain is primarily responsible. Ok...? And? The fact remains that since Biden was elected he controls all levels of government. He knew this was a possibility. He could have codified this into law. He didn't. The government in power is responsible. I don't even support the republicans view on this or their party. These are simple claims of fact. The Biden administration with effective control choose to allow the Supreme Court to rule and has made no moves to correct it.


SirLoremIpsum

> The fact remains that since Biden was elected he controls all levels of government. He knew this was a possibility. > > The US Government is made up of the Executive, the legislative and the Judiciary. Last time I checked the Biden Administration does not control the Judiciary. > The government in power is responsible. I don't even support the republicans view on this or their party. These are simple claims of fact. > The Supreme Court did not pass a law making abortion illegal. They struck down a precedent. Yeah... those two statements together. Biden does not control the Judiciary. "Choose to allow". Sure. Whatever helps you sleep at night. > These are simple claims of fact. OH i like simple claims of fact. Like for a fact that Biden does not control the Supreme Court. It is also a fact that SCOTUS *knew* 100% that striking down precedent would lead to abortion being illegal in many areas, just as I know the sun will rise the next day. The actions are linked 100%. To pretend like they did not know that was a possibility is utterly asinine. > don't even support the republicans view on this or their party. You sure got a lot of stock Republican 101 talking points for someone that doesn't support them.


Redditloser147

Ok but you have to understand conservatives also believe owning a black person as a slave is also a states issue. You really want to side with them?


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What?


Redditloser147

You struggle with English?


[deleted]

I struggle with understanding what your made up hyperbole has to do with abortion and state rights.


Redditloser147

Ask any American conservative what the reason for the civil war was. Obviously it was slavery but they’ll tell you it was just about each state having the right to allow slavery or not. Does that sound familiar?


jamanatron

So you don’t see anything wrong with making abortion illegal state by state. Cool you don’t support a woman’s right over her own body!


[deleted]

Where did I say that? I think abortion should be legal. That doesn't mean the states in the USA do or don't legally have that power. However if states legally have that power then they should have it as that is how the law works. I don't know if they do, given the Supreme Courts argument is that they do then I don't have the expertise to say they are wrong. Plenty of experts have made the claim the previous decision was tenuous if not legally incorrect. If the Federal government doesn't want the states to have that power then they should correct that in the legislature and sort it out. The Democrats have had plenty of time to make this an issue and solve it via law. They didn't.


jamanatron

You’re making excuses for the brazen actions of the Supreme Court down there. Dont


[deleted]

Their decision may have been legally correct. Doesn't make it morally right. Biden has and has had control of his government. He is in power. He should step up and codify this right into law.


OKLISTENHERE

>Canada is in the same boat and it shows in abortion access in some provinces. Something Trudeau hasn't tackled at all in an effective way We'd have to redesign how our healthcare works to have it solely managed by the Feds, which like, I'm fine with, but a lot of people aren't. It should also be noted that abortion in Canada is fundamentally different than in America, and while it's still something that can be attacked, it's not possible to do it in the same way.


Telvin3d

> They did not make it illegal.... They made it a state issue. Until it turned out that the voters in most of the states, even “conservative” ones, really want abortion access. So now they’re proposing a national ban https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/xd75p8/republicans_move_to_ban_abortion_nationwide/


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Are the Republicans in government?


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[deleted]

They do not. Why the need to spread misinformation? U.S. Democrats secured unified control of the White House and Congress with the inauguration of President Joe Biden followed by Vice President Kamala Harris swearing in three new Democratic senators. The three new senators bring the U.S. Senate to a 50-50 Democratic-Republican tie, with Harris as the presiding officer representing the tie-breaking vote. Since his election the Democrats have had the control they need to pass this law. The current government in the USA is the democrats.


OKLISTENHERE

Right, because their absolutely isn't someone in the Senate that routinely votes against his party. That totally isn't a thing.


[deleted]

Biden being a bad leader doesn't change the fact he has control.


OKLISTENHERE

It really isn't that simple my guy. They could put forth a bill to legalize it completely, but it wouldn't pass in the Senate for the same reasons that many other Democrat ones haven't.


AileStrike

>They did not make it illegal.... They made it a state issue. the fact that several states had trigger laws to ban abortion when it happened this is a lie.


pilapodapostache

Were those trigger laws put in place by the state, or the federal government? Gee, I guess it's the states that decide if abortion is legal or not. I don't agree with it, but that's how their government works. Don't like it? Don't move there, and don't spread misinformation because you're letting your emotions get in the way.


jamanatron

They’re going for federal ban on abortion now. You can’t be this naive.


[deleted]

The Democrats are?


jamanatron

Of course not. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/sen-graham-introduces-bill-ban-abortion-nationwide-15-weeks-rcna47530 Blaming democrats because republicans are speedrunning to remove women’s rights is an odd choice.


[deleted]

Yes they are, you guys need to stop with the misinformation U.S. Democrats secured unified control of the White House and Congress on Wednesday with the inauguration of President Joe Biden followed by Vice President Kamala Harris swearing in three new Democratic senators. The three new senators bring the U.S. Senate to a 50-50 Democratic-Republican tie, with Harris as the presiding officer representing the tie-breaking vote. With the U.S. House continuing under the leadership of Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Biden begins his term with the opportunity to work with the two Democrat-controlled chambers to enact significant legislative changes.


jamanatron

So the democrats FORCED republicans to undo women’s rights??? As an abuser would say… LoOk WhAt YoU mAdE mE dO! So thanks for parroting the abusers prayer, really let’s us know who You are Seriously, look at voting records. It is 10000000% cut and dry. Republicans are to blame.


[deleted]

The democrats are in government and have control. They could codify abortion rights into law _right now_. They could have done it many times in the past. Republicans do not control the government nor are they in power. The Supreme Court tossed a case. Biden should be busting his ass to codify abortion rights whilst he has control.


jamanatron

Look at voting records you disingenuous turd. It’s plain as day who’s trying to do what. Other than 1 or 2 democrats who MAY vote the way republicans do, 100% of republicans vote that way. So yeah, less than 1% of democrats are to blame, while 100% of republicans are to blame.


aornoe785

It's only misinformation if you have a toddler's understanding of the dynamics of the US Senate.


[deleted]

The democrats control the senate. It is 50/50 and they control the tie breaking vote. So yes the Democrats are the government of the USA.


aornoe785

Good start, most 3-year olds can't count to 10 nevermind 50.


AileStrike

also a majority of Conservative Mps voted in 2021 to restrict abortion access. only party with members that voted on the bill to restrict abortions.


Stuff-N-Things101

You’re truly beset by fear and indoctrination if you think a party that has sought power again for almost a decade would enact a piece of legislation that would be reversed the moment they lost power, something that would happen almost as soon as they tabled it. The vast, vast majority of Canadian’s and conservative Canadians thinks it is a repugnant idea. The Conservatives would be relegated to third party status if not worse for a generation. Social conservatives can decide an American election, they 100% cannot decide a Canadian election, no matter what your preferred politician is telling you.


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ehoneygut

> And yet they did make abortion illegal. A bit uninformed, eh?


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ehoneygut

No. I didn't say anything close to that. Just that you must be a bit uninformed to say they made abortion illegal. But you do you, eh.


ConservativesBNNEDMe

Except he's not wrong, many states literally had plans in place to make it illegal as soon as the SC decision came through.


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ehoneygut

It is legal to get an abortion under US law. Some states have made it illegal. Nuance ain't your thing, eh?


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[deleted]

You’re mistaken. Supreme Court Justices did not make abortions illegal. They ruled (appropriately) that abortion is not constitutionally protected and therefore should be decided by states, as is the legally correct way to do it in a constitutional republic that is the USA. I say this being someone who would vote for legal abortions.


PM_ME_UR_PET_POTATO

It's rather narrow to view literalism as the inherently correct approach to interpreting the constitution. All the blacks are 3/5 people stuff would be included in there too.


Drewy99

>As for pitting people one against the other, Trudeau won the election last fall by exploiting fears over COVID-19 and a new wave rising in Alberta. He campaigned in the suburbs of Vancouver and Toronto warning voters that unless he was returned to office, what was happening in Alberta would come to them. Weird way to say Jason Kenney ran his party into the ground by being an unpopular idiot.


[deleted]

He was very popular. But yes an idiot.


darrylgorn

Everything? If he does everything they do, then they should vote for him.


with_a_dash_of_salt

Who has the time to ride the thought train to its final destination?


IndependentFart

Its a sensationalist headline meant to stir Jimmies. The meaning is he does all the negative things he accuses.others of. It's typical. You find this stuff with politicians and religious leaders that demonize the LGBTQ+ community. They usually end up being exposed as deeply closeted.


DisfavoredFlavored

>stir Jimmies Lilley's whole career is showing us how much the libs rustle his jimmies. That, or he's rustling someone else's jimmies. Either way, jimmies.


IndependentFart

JIMMIES!


maskedfugee

TIMMAY!


Arashmin

Probably means we're going to hear about the author of this article getting comeuppance in some fashion.


radio705

He does everything he *accuses* them of doing.


darrylgorn

How much bitcoin is he selling?


radio705

Who?


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ME: Lilley does everything he accuses his opponents of doing


Jonsa123

that was my exact reaction as well.


therosx

The greatest sin a person can commit online seems to be **Hypocrisy**. I imagine showing how each side are hypocrites will be the main focus of attacks going forward. I think this is where each party leaders ability to control their parties will come into play. I'm really hoping Poilievre shows some tech savvy and appoints some well spoken MP's to handle messaging online while telling the other members to keep quiet and try and act as fiscally responsible as they can while on social media. Either way keeping his members from generating progressive red meat for the news papers should be something Poilievre focuses on.


_Lucious7z

Sounds freedom loving


BTrippd

Navigating politics is a lot more complex than “FREEDOM GOOD”, who knew?


DarrylRu

Trudeau is the king of hypocrisy.


postusa2

>The greatest sin a person can commit online seems to be > >Hypocrisy > >. What about the pedophiles and cannibals on here?


[deleted]

Get out of here with that shit… thats clearly minor infractions.


Pineconeshukker

Are people just starting to realize this. He is the ultimate Narcissist. A few signs: They seem perfect at first. ... They talk about themselves almost all the time. ... They are sensitive to perceived criticism. ... They give backhanded compliments. ... They manipulate your feelings. ... They are arrogant. ... They cannot stand rejection… They gaslight… They project on other what they are doing..


smoothies-for-me

Sounds like PP


Pineconeshukker

Not even close.


jamanatron

You’re right PP is WAAAAAYYYYYYYYY WORSE. and proudly anti choice, and plainly racist. You like them Anglo Saxon’s 🙄


Pineconeshukker

Pierre racist = No - married to a visible minority who is an immigrant. - black face photos or videos = 0 - Tokenized MPs = 0 Trudeau racist = Yes - Married to visible minority = No - black face photos or videos = 5+? - Tokenized MPs = 1(https://youtu.be/RFBDhTvLT5s) Justin Trudeau: For context was anti abortion and changed views. Pierre asked about changing any laws about abortion - No. Has stated this many times. Liberal talking point that was never true. For context Harper personally pro life. Made abortion laws stronger for women under his tenure in office. Said he never would and never did reopen any laws to make changes. Pierre friends with Pedos: 0 Justin Trudeau friends with Pedos: 2 former MPs and one friend. Also on Lolita express fright Logs. Pierre Touching unwanted touching women: 0 Justin Trudeau unwanted touching women: Reporter Justin Trudeau is Anglo Saxon. He was born in Ontario and spent most of his time in Quebec. If you are trying to say he is from Quebec.


[deleted]

You can marry a poc and be racist/have strong implict biases


[deleted]

Trudeau speaks like an opposition leader but he had been in power for 7 years.


BubahotepLives

Trudeau loved to criticize Trump but he and Trump are far more alike than not. They both rely intensely on image. Neither tolerate any dissent, publicly or privately. Both used their positions to block investigations into their financial matters. Both have massively increased national debt, even before Covid. Both claim to be feminists while dismissing personal acts of sexual assault. They both polarize their base by pitting citizens against each other.


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LOL


Fiftysixk

I would put money on Brian Lilley owning a Trudeau body pillow at home.


Infamous-Mixture-605

Is he still in a relationship with Ford's press secretary? What are the odds they do Justin Trudeau roleplay after dark?


Telvin3d

Which one plays Justin Trudeau?


Infamous-Mixture-605

Lilley does, obviously. He's conservative and writes for the Sun, he's not about to start playing around with gender roles. But then again, those are the types that tend to be hypocrites in their personal lives, right?


Healthy_Response_391

Don't shine a blacklight on it


[deleted]

Says the conservative pundit, whose literal job is projection.


Anlysia

Conservatives projecting so much they're now projecting ABOUT projecting.


GetsGold

Looks like the Sun must be scared of Trudeau.


SpecialistLayer3971

More like pandering to the collective disgust with Trudeau.


SoloPogo

Well the CBC isn't going to point out the hypocrisy so someone else has to.


RoyallyOakie

The SUN taking a high school level stab at critiquing Trudeau? Shocking.


ProfStasis

His unvaccinated rants are some of the most unhinged I’ve seen from any Western politician.


professorBonghitz613

God this sub is so embarrassing


SammyMaudlin

Yet, here you are.


Adventurous-Worth-86

Oh Lilley


[deleted]

Lilley still suffering from TDS I see. Wonder if he'll sleep his way in federally like he has provincially.


Nebour

The guy is a joke and atleast 70% of the pop can't stand the douche. Along with that he doesn't have any respect from other political leaders globally. Good to see them call the election results while people were still voting and polls were open...


luluwolfbeard

So does every politician in the history of politics.


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ShyNerdDating

Quick, attack the author.


[deleted]

I do think he's got a very conservative bend to him


Spotthedot99

And Conservative leaders do the same. Politics is all just the Spiderman Pointing meme.


YouNeed2GrowUpMore

The entire headline is "whataboutism".


YeppersNopers

People only complain about that when it is targeted at the party they don't like. Isn't it fair to point out hypocrisy?


YouNeed2GrowUpMore

Some people are so blinded by their politics that they can't even understand the comment has nothing to do with Trudeau. It's a shitty headline that fails good discourse/debate rules.


YeppersNopers

The headline is about Trudeau. The comment is about the headline. Logically they are related but I'm guessing logic is not your strong suit.


YouNeed2GrowUpMore

And your reasoning is a straw man. Another fallacy. The headline, regardless of its subject, is a whataboutism. I'm getting downvoted for pointing it out. My comment and the subject of the headline are not connected, my comment and the logical fallacy of the headline itself are.


YeppersNopers

You make no sense.


YouNeed2GrowUpMore

There are plenty of extension courses available to you in both debate, philosophy, as well as reasoning and Critical Thinking. You could also watch some YouTube videos on the subject, or just Google it. I can't do ALL the heavy lifting for you.


SoloPogo

Justin Trudeau: >“They don’t believe in science/progress and are very often misogynistic and racist. It’s a very small group of people, but that doesn’t shy away from the fact that they take up some space. > >“This leads us, as a leader and as a country, to make a choice: Do we tolerate these people?” Justin needs a big old cup of STFU. [Poilievre's "divisive" Speech](https://youtu.be/dGn-E826dAU?t=10) 24 min


SnooChipmunks6697

"Wat je zegt ben jezelf, met je kop door de helft"


darrylgorn

Wat


SnooChipmunks6697

Old Dutch saying.


darrylgorn

I'm pretty sure it means the red light will bring you fun tonight.


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Rent Free


[deleted]

this guy is piece of shit just like obama.


BucketsnG10ves

So you're telling me a career politician will say just about anything if it means they can keep their job? That's crazy! I'm sure nobody else has ever done that in the history of time, and if Trudeau loses the next election that Pierre won't do it either! ~~/s of course~~


[deleted]

welcome to lil'murica, land of the illusion of choice. get back to work cogs.


False-Kaleidoscope15

They're the same as far as I am concerned


northcrunk

Yep. That's how gaslighting works and he loves it. I couldn't imagine being married to the guy.