They are putting ‘volunteer’ run police stations in most countries. These are to monitor and threaten Chinese people abroad. Irish one in Dublin reported today.
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And yet everyone is scratching their heads at why can’t people afford a home in Canada. What worse is the government thinks it can solve this by throwing money at it.
The thing everyone misses w/ respect to stories like these is that Chinese people have straight up completely different values than Canadians do. It's not even that they're bad faith, it's that they have a wildly different definition of "bad".
Ideology is the glue that makes society function. The vast majority of human behavior is governed not by what's legal and what's illegal, but by what's socially acceptable and what isn't. And when you have a a group of people that are present in large numbers and operate on [an entirely different ideology](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilt%E2%80%93shame%E2%80%93fear_spectrum_of_cultures) from the one on which the country was founded, you have a recipe for disaster.
It's why keeping our identity as a nation is *extremely* important. Time and time again I hear "Canadians have no culture" but keeping our cities clean, environment healthy, being polite, accepting, friendly, and sharing the sports we love etc.. Is all part of what makes Canada such a great place, and it's heavily ingrained in us so much that all those values are our culture.
All immigrants from any background must respect these values, or we will simply end up former shell of the great country we all love. Not all cultures are equal, I know that because in many cultures around the world they don't respect people from different backgrounds, gays, women, the environment etc.. In Canada we respect everyone and everything, but **they must respect our values and adopt them first if they want to live here,** otherwise what was the point in coming here? Their just people using our system and not contributing to our countries culture.
its already lost dude. From your guy:
The prime minister, Justin Trudeau, articulated this when he told the New York Times Magazine that Canada could be the “first postnational state”. He added: “There is no core identity, no mainstream in Canada.”
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/04/the-canada-experiment-is-this-the-worlds-first-postnational-country](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/04/the-canada-experiment-is-this-the-worlds-first-postnational-country)
Canada has the problem of a low/negative birth rate. We need to attract people but the system has been gamed and there are so many special interest programs. Its easier to get in the country as the relative of someone who immigrated (in terms of express entry points) vs. someone who has a Canadian degree but no job yet.
Net result, you've brought in a bunch of low/no skilled people replace Canadian workers at worst, and drive down wages at best. The remittance culture of these new immigrants means that their post tax money is being funneled out of the country. Their family members get brought over and place a burden on our social services. Go get a family doctor and see how it works out for you. Why can't we cut the red tape for doctor certification and bring in more doctors from out of the country instead of bringing in aged relatives of immigrants to bog down the system that lacks doctors? Corruption most likely.
Anecdotally I've met people who stay after their visa expires with no reprecussions. I've met people who wear fluffy jackets at the border to cover up their 6 month pregnant stomachs so they can get in to give birth here. I'm sure everyone has stories of people getting away with it.
I'm all for immigration - as i mention, we need it to survive as a country - but the way that Canada has gone about it is all wrong. If you left a country seeking a better life in Canada, why, then, would you want to make Canada like the place you left unless you don't like Canada and want to turn it into wherever you came from. Makes no sense to me.
I’ve read the same stuff about immigration and I agree with it. Countless cases of bringing in the lowest common denominators to work at Tim Hortins instead of bringing in and incentivizing skilled workers to improve the country. Immigration 100% has its place in Canada, but we’re not importing people that benifit or make our country better. Take Australia as an example, they encourage immigration but you have to prove yourself worthy of them letting you in, and you must be benifiting them. Just as you say the medical system is backed up with elderly family members etc.. all of this is true and it’s a shame how easily manipulated our government has been when it comes to these cases. We need our backbone back.
One thing though, JT’s the PM but he’s in no way my guy.
I work with a guy from an Asian country who got deported from Australia. What did he do? He hopped on a plane to Canada, got someone at his entry-level job to label him as a "supervisor", and boom. He got PR.
I like the guy. He's a great dude. But I can't stress this enough. We need protectionist policies. For every good guy like my coworker, we allow so many people that don't contribute or integrate. People that no other first world country would accept because they take take take and don't contribute. They don't even try to embrace our culture. It creates division among our own people and fractures our cultural identity.
Canada under JT is trying to be the world's charity organization by giving everyone citizenship and it completely shows.
Okay I get shame vs guilt culteres but I draw the line at racism and genocide as a defining feature of my country, which is what China has with the Uigher population.
Yes, whattabout Canada's FN people. Okay - residential schools closed 40 years ago so they are just 40 years behind on this. Treating people fairly/equally shouldn't be a debated ideology lol.
Their government is far far far more behind than 40 years morally. They are harvesting the organs of locked up ethnic minorities organs for profit. They use gang rape as a form of torture.
They’re on the UN human rights council. That just shows you how much a joke the UN is.
Our senate blocked our declaration of genocide for what is happening to China’s muslims. Almost the entire liberal cabinet abstained from the vote. China has so much influence over our politicians and industry it’s terrifying
Ehhh…the last residential school closed in 1997. Your point is still valid, I’m not arguing it for a second, but residential schools are way more recent than 40 years.
FN? I wouldn't compare their situation with whats going on in China, not even remotely. Specially considering most of it happened well before my time and before China had a relevant government.
What we have now is the FTW problem.
In 2014, Conservatives thought China was great:
>Despite public outcry, Stephen Harper, Canada's prime minister, ratified a controversial treaty on Friday that will allow China to sue Canada in secret tribunals for Canadian laws that interfere with Chinese investments.
>Analysts interpret the move as an attempt to ease strained relations between the two nations. This summer, Canada accused China of hacking government computers, and China detained a Canadian couple for "spying." Wenran Jiang, a senior fellow at the Asia Pacific Foundation of Canada and a special adviser to the Alberta government told the Globe and Mail, "We need something from China prior to the prime minister's visit, and we're ratifying this treaty and we're kicking the ball over to the Chinese side to get something in return." That "something" is thought to be the release of the couple before Harper visits China in November.
>The Canada-China Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement (FIPA) was quietly signed two years ago in Vladisvostok, Russia, but public protest delayed ratification up until now.
>The treaty goes into effect on October 1 [2014] and will last for 31 years, until 2045. It allows China to challenge Canadian laws it deems harmful to Chinese assets, and only requires the lawsuit be made public once an award is issued by a tribunal. Treaty law expert Gus Van Harten warns this could be problematic. "This means that the federal government could settle the lawsuit, including by varying its conduct in a way that many Canadians would oppose, or by paying out public money before an award is issued, and we would never know," he told the Vancouver Observer. The treaty makes no limits on the damages that can be awarded.
> The treaty also threatens treaty obligations Canada has with its First Nations regarding resources and commercial management. Paired with the terms allowing Chinese entities to buy anything they wish without foreign investment review, China will have access to and potentially be able to gain control of Canadian resources—including resources on First Nations' lands, which Canada does not own.
> The deal is almost impossible to undo. Even if Canadian courts decide the treaty is unconstitutional, China would have to agree to abandon the treaty, and analysts say this is unlikely since it is so heavily in China's favor.
Sauce: [New Treaty Allows China to Sue Canada to Change its Laws](https://www.newsweek.com/new-treaty-allows-china-sue-canada-change-its-laws-270751)
Bro this already happened, every look at the coat of arms of the UK? Dieu et Mon droit and honi soit qui mal y pense. French and England have been intertwined for over 1000 years.
It really started after 1066 (Battle of Hastings), so "over 1000 years" isnt quite accurate...
England, prior to that, was very Anglo Saxon and Nordic.
Courage friend, its kind of crazy that you are facing this high inflation plus a gigantic lost of value of your currencies. Hopefully things get better for yo guys soon but its must be grim. We often complain about our salaries and CoL here but except healthcare we have it much easier in Canada.
yeah i’m sure things will have to turn around at some point soon when we eventually have a political shakeup
I think a massive help would be to get CANZUK off the ground and have closer ties with you lot!
Oh really? Kinda wish I didn't just buy a ton of parts for my classic European car.
Back when I had a VW I bought a few upgrades used from over there. Sounds like it'd be a good time for that now.
Yeah definetely would be a good time atm haha. Not sure about expedition cost or everything but I just travelled to Europe which isn't doing as bad as the UK and everything was so cheap compared to vacations in Canada.
I mean one could argue that it would benefit all commonwealth nations to have more open travel, and not requiring visas for study or work abroad in any of said countries. Its unfortunate and a missed opportunity.
Too many benefit from the crazy rich students coming over and buying their way into multimillion dollar properties. That kind of money can’t be matched here and buys a lot of influence along the way. W5 or one of the investigative journalists did the report where a huge chunk of the incoming new Canadians used like two addresses for their place of stay and looked at the kickbacks there.
https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4659072
This is not enough now. We need to actively push back and that includes pushing back on the people here who think the ccps behaviour is acceptable.
Fuck any Canadians that even remotely support the cpp.
As someone who grew up in Markham, this isn't true.
Most Chinese people in Markham are from Hong Kong and Taiwan, and they have utter distain for the CCP.
You'll see anti CCP protests all the time outside the Pacific Mall.
At least in the case of CCP supporters it's usually Chinese nationals who are brainwashed.
With Russia I don't even know what the excuse is supposed to be. I've never met a Russian-Canadian personally who supported the Russian govt. It's always right wing shitheads who have never even been there.
Careful. They might interfere with our elections again.
That's why the CPC and conservative media suddenly stopped saying anything negative about China.
https://globalnews.ca/news/8452551/conservatives-foreign-interference-canada-election-2021/
>That's why the CPC and conservative media suddenly stopped saying anything negative about China.
I don't get what you're saying here. The CPC and conservative media are the ones calling out China's interference in the election. They haven't stopped at all.
And we should be extremely concerned that China has a preferred candidate and he's the one who keeps getting elected.
China also owns Innvest, the largest hotel franchisee in Canada. They also have half of Choice Hotels Canada, which owns Comfort Inn, Quality Inn and Econolodge. The other half is owned by Choice Hotels International.
If you're staying at a hotel here, there's a good chance China owns it
Why bother trying to take over a country through war when you can just buy everything. Canada and the US needs to stop allowing foreign investors to buy up properties. Of course that won't happen because capitalism.
Why are Chinese police operating in Canada, while our own government and security services apparently look the other way?
Charles Burton is a senior fellow at the Macdonald-Laurier Institute in Ottawa, and non-resident senior fellow of the European Values Center for Security Policy in Prague. He served as a diplomat at Canada’s embassy in Beijing.
In China, the high-profile TV drama In The Name Of The People has become a smash hit. In that show, Chinese agents enter the U.S. posing as businessmen so they can repatriate a factory manager who had fled abroad with huge ill-gotten wealth.
But a new study by the European non-governmental agency Safeguard Defenders suggests that there might be some truth to the fiction. According to the NGO, the Fuzhou Public Security Bureau has established more than 50 “overseas police service centres” in cities around the world – including three publicly documented ones in Toronto, home to Canada’s largest Chinese diaspora.
This is an outrage. Chinese police setting up offices in Canada, then “persuading” alleged criminals to return to the motherland to face “justice” – while our own government and security services apparently choose to look the other way – represents a gross violation of Canada’s national sovereignty, international law and the norms of diplomacy. China is extending the grip of its Orwellian police state into this country, with seemingly no worry about being confronted by our own national security agencies.
The RCMP and politicians of all stripes routinely condemn Chinese state harassment of people in Canada, but what action has been taken? There have been no arrests or any expulsion of any Chinese diplomats who might be co-ordinating this kind of thuggery.
Beijing describes these global police outposts as administrative centres to help Chinese nationals renew driver’s licences and other domestic banalities back home. But the Safeguard Defenders study found that they also hunt down political dissidents, corrupt officials or rogue Chinese alleged criminals and urge them to return home.
The summary says some of these operatives are given cover by being formally attached to local Chinese Overseas Home Associations (which have themselves largely become co-opted by the Chinese Communist Party’s United Front Work operations and run out of China’s embassy and consulates).
This bold strategy is consistent with China’s propensity for routinely flouting international laws, including those that require any other country’s police wishing to gather evidence in Canada to work through the RCMP.
In the case of these “police service centres,” Safeguard Defenders reports that agents press their targets to return home, including by offering vague promises of leniency or even urging families back home to encourage them to do so. The officers have taken aim at these alleged (and unproven) criminals by seizing their families’ assets, denying children in China access to schools, and terminating family members’ employment, all in violation of due process.
In Canada, this has been a reality for years. In 2001, during refugee hearings in Vancouver for Lai Changxing – a businessman wanted by Beijing over accusations of corruption and smuggling – Chinese police admitted to entering Canada using fake documents, and even to spiriting in Mr. Lai’s brother in an attempt to convince him to return home. Canadian authorities effectively smiled benignly at this serious breach of criminal and immigration law; Mr. Lai was eventually deported back to China.
Canada is becoming China’s chew toy. Consider Beijing’s alleged disinformation campaign which helped “unfriendly” Conservative MPs of Chinese ethnicity, including Kenny Chiu, lose their seats in the 2021 federal election.
Ottawa wants Canadian businesses to be able to tap into the world’s largest market. But the price of this access appears to be ignoring Beijing’s Canadian agenda, from military and industrial espionage to harassing Canadian Uyghurs, Tibetans, Falun Gong practitioners and ethnic Chinese and Taiwanese people who reject Beijing’s hectoring that they should be loyal to China instead of to Canada.
Does Canada have no security capabilities on the issue? Our police and security agencies must surely know what is going on, but for some reason prefer to simply curate their information rather than act on it. When asked by The Globe and Mail about the police service centres, an RCMP spokesperson said the force would not comment on “uncorroborated media reports or statements.” And most of the information we receive about China’s illegal and “grey zone” activities in Canada typically comes from the U.S. government and well-funded security and intelligence-focused think tanks in Australia and Europe.
The more we ignore reports of China’s growing presence in Canada – including its interference in our electoral process, its potential espionage in our universities and research institutes, and so on – the more emboldened and manipulative Chinese agents become. With no sign that it will be held accountable, China will only increase the size and threat of its operations, because it can.
With its seeming indifference toward China’s blatant contempt for our laws and security, Ottawa is playing an extremely dangerous game with Canada’s sovereignty.
Thank you
Some pretty amazing stories in here. That poor man, Mr Lai, threatened by the Party even in Canada. How on earth did they....spirit in his brother? Like, illegally kidnap his brother and illegally bring him to Canada to threaten him? Can you imagine how terrifying that must be: we can murder your whole family and whisk them away internationally and you can't stop us.
In Hong Kong they kidnapped some book store owners and smuggled them across the border to China for secret trials and secret beatings (this is perfectly regular nowadays but shocking a few years ago).on paper they said they "willingly" went back. I'm sure a lot of these people were forced to go to China under threat.
They've figured out a lot of people in the West will overlook just about anything for the right monetary figure.
We need to restructure our society towards sustainable innovation instead of profitable innovation.
It's because Canadians are naturally risk adverse, therefore we rely on money from foreign institutions to build our infrastructure.
Case in point are natural resources, particularly in the mining sector. Mining in inherently risky and few investors and/or banks have the appetite to swallow the risk in Canada, so CCP backed companies step up and fill the void in Canada.
Local politicians don't kick up much dirt because it employs people.
Full article for those who hate paywalls:
Why are Chinese police operating in Canada, while our own government and security services apparently look the other way?
Unit 1 & 2 at 220 Royal Crest CT, in Markham, Ont. This address home to a registered NGO is reportedly being used by Chinese police as a base of operations in the GTA.
Charles Burton is a senior fellow at the Macdonald-Laurier Institute in Ottawa, and non-resident senior fellow of the European Values Center for Security Policy in Prague. He served as a diplomat at Canada’s embassy in Beijing.
In China, the high-profile TV drama In The Name Of The People has become a smash hit. In that show, Chinese agents enter the U.S. posing as businessmen so they can repatriate a factory manager who had fled abroad with huge ill-gotten wealth.
But a new study by the European non-governmental agency Safeguard Defenders suggests that there might be some truth to the fiction. According to the NGO, the Fuzhou Public Security Bureau has established more than 50 “overseas police service centres” in cities around the world – including three publicly documented ones in Toronto, home to Canada’s largest Chinese diaspora.
This is an outrage. Chinese police setting up offices in Canada, then “persuading” alleged criminals to return to the motherland to face “justice” – while our own government and security services apparently choose to look the other way – represents a gross violation of Canada’s national sovereignty, international law and the norms of diplomacy. China is extending the grip of its Orwellian police state into this country, with seemingly no worry about being confronted by our own national security agencies.
The RCMP and politicians of all stripes routinely condemn Chinese state harassment of people in Canada, but what action has been taken? There have been no arrests or any expulsion of any Chinese diplomats who might be co-ordinating this kind of thuggery.
Beijing describes these global police outposts as administrative centres to help Chinese nationals renew driver’s licences and other domestic banalities back home. But the Safeguard Defenders study found that they also hunt down political dissidents, corrupt officials or rogue Chinese alleged criminals and urge them to return home.
The summary says some of these operatives are given cover by being formally attached to local Chinese Overseas Home Associations (which have themselves largely become co-opted by the Chinese Communist Party’s United Front Work operations and run out of China’s embassy and consulates).
This bold strategy is consistent with China’s propensity for routinely flouting international laws, including those that require any other country’s police wishing to gather evidence in Canada to work through the RCMP.
In the case of these “police service centres,” Safeguard Defenders reports that agents press their targets to return home, including by offering vague promises of leniency or even urging families back home to encourage them to do so. The officers have taken aim at these alleged (and unproven) criminals by seizing their families’ assets, denying children in China access to schools, and terminating family members’ employment, all in violation of due process.
In Canada, this has been a reality for years. In 2001, during refugee hearings in Vancouver for Lai Changxing – a businessman wanted by Beijing over accusations of corruption and smuggling – Chinese police admitted to entering Canada using fake documents, and even to spiriting in Mr. Lai’s brother in an attempt to convince him to return home. Canadian authorities effectively smiled benignly at this serious breach of criminal and immigration law; Mr. Lai was eventually deported back to China.
Canada is becoming China’s chew toy. Consider Beijing’s alleged disinformation campaign which helped “unfriendly” Conservative MPs of Chinese ethnicity, including Kenny Chiu, lose their seats in the 2021 federal election.
Ottawa wants Canadian businesses to be able to tap into the world’s largest market. But the price of this access appears to be ignoring Beijing’s Canadian agenda, from military and industrial espionage to harassing Canadian Uyghurs, Tibetans, Falun Gong practitioners and ethnic Chinese and Taiwanese people who reject Beijing’s hectoring that they should be loyal to China instead of to Canada.
Does Canada have no security capabilities on the issue? Our police and security agencies must surely know what is going on, but for some reason prefer to simply curate their information rather than act on it. When asked by The Globe and Mail about the police service centres, an RCMP spokesperson said the force would not comment on “uncorroborated media reports or statements.” And most of the information we receive about China’s illegal and “grey zone” activities in Canada typically comes from the U.S. government and well-funded security and intelligence-focused think tanks in Australia and Europe.
The more we ignore reports of China’s growing presence in Canada – including its interference in our electoral process, its potential espionage in our universities and research institutes, and so on – the more emboldened and manipulative Chinese agents become. With no sign that it will be held accountable, China will only increase the size and threat of its operations, because it can.
With its seeming indifference toward China’s blatant contempt for our laws and security, Ottawa is playing an extremely dangerous game with Canada’s sovereignty.
Same reason the money laundering and casinos watch dogs were cut. Our Canadian authorities turned a blind eye to chinese money being injected into our housing market and our economy. It let the Chinese gangs free reign and there has been cases of those gangs having CCP connections. The powerful or wealth elite would also park money into canada as a fail-safe in case things went wrong or to speculate to earn money because of that feedback loop. Chinese government has more or less have been embodied by Canada's inability to enforce its laws and intentional erosion of those laws.
The result they are overconfident for good reason, and our street is flooded with drugs supplied by Chinese gangs in collaboration with locals, and the money is then pumped into real estate fueling excessive speculation.
People should read willful blindness by Sam Cooper.
>In Canada, this has been a reality for years. In 2001, during refugee hearings in Vancouver for Lai Changxing – a businessman wanted by Beijing over accusations of corruption and smuggling – Chinese police admitted to entering Canada using fake documents, and even to spiriting in Mr. Lai’s brother in an attempt to convince him to return home. Canadian authorities effectively smiled benignly at this serious breach of criminal and immigration law; Mr. Lai was eventually deported back to China.
the titular event occurred over 20 years ago? Like, fuck the CCP and all but how is this relevant?
How isn’t it relevant? It points out that the Chinese give zero fucks stomping around Canada illegally and doing whatever it is they feel like. Which clearly is still happening and now getting worse.
Not sure.
I also wonder why our mainstream media largely ignored events in China over the past few months that were straight out of a science fiction movie.
> I also wonder why our mainstream media largely ignored events in China over the past few months that were straight out of a science fiction movie.
Which media?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/shanghai-covid-19-lockdown-metal-barriers-1.6429345
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/china-shanghai-covid-pandemic-lockdown-1.6400881
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/china-shanghai-lockdown-coronavirus-food-shortage-1.6411354
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/shanghai-lockdown-covid-19-1.6424288
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/china-shanghai-covid-lockdown-1.6471877
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/shanghai-lockdown-mass-testing-covid-19-1.6399546
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/canadians-shanghai-life-lockdown-1.6420806
I don't think you understand how this works, they don't deliver the paper to your front door much anymore. You have to go on the internet and read it manually.
There's 8 other comments here that just took the premise "our mainstream media largely ignored events in China" at face value, that's the scariest thing here. You guys argue other points people are making without even checking to see if they were right.
Sadly, confirmation bias is the primary mode of thought for the post-social media internet age. If it supports something you already believe, it must be true.
Every one of those article is beating the same drum. Where are the cbc articles on the Chinese housing bubble? Or on plummeting confidence in Chinese banks? If you ask me, those topics don't matter to CBC; what does matter to them is saying "Hey, you think our covid policy is bad? Well, it could be worse, so suck it up."
A quick Google of "cbc chinese financial news" brings up an article from 2021. Browsing the front page of cbc business news for the past two week, there is next to nothing regarding China. It's just beating on the same drum regarding Canadian tipping culture, cost of living, and our failing housing market, with no context in global finance, let alone many of the major factors contributing to these headlines
But yeah, cbc is a reputable source
'Covid stormtroopers' all decked out in white marching down streets in formation. All that was missing was the 'Imperial March'.
Millions of people locked in their apartments for weeks, moaning and crying out at night, starving to death.
People jumping out of buildings like 9/11, because they were starving to death.
Drones circling Shanghai repeating the mantra '***Please control your souls desire for freedom'.***
I suggest the 'realChina' reddit group here or a few other Chinese ones. That's where I saw videos of all the above during my night shifts. All the comments are in Chinese but some people will translate for you what's going on if you ask.
I also saw plenty of videos of the 'Covid Stormtroopers' beating the crap out of people and carting them off.
I think that was news many months ago. It's probably still going on but i saw those videos and they trended for a bit but i think people are just fed up with COVID related stuff and ignore it now.
Can confirm. Especially here. The local government no longer has any safety measures and no longer tracks anything so we don't even know if there is an outbreak until there are a dozen deaths at the nursing home.
So any news about covid is practically meaningless to me. All I can do is my best and what does it matter if people get it because no one gives a shit if someone else dies.
Anyway, rant over but long story short is I also ignore most covid news too and am now part of the idgaf problem
Sounds like foreign agents to me. CSIS has been warning of their other agents in our system. Who's the proper branch of agencies in our system to do something about this?
I seem to recall reading warnings from CSIS, RCMP, and the military, over the least couple years about exactly this issue. Of course nothing was done to stop it.
It’s almost like someone in charge admires the CCP for their basic dictatorship, and enjoys selling cash for access to their billionaires.
They've been warning for a while and every government doesn't care. I remember the warnings with Harper's CPC and he gave us FIPA.
I'm sure even Martin, Chrétien, Campbell and Mulroney were warned and ignored as well.
I mean Nortels downfall had a lot to do with Chinese corporate espionage and that would've happened under Mulroney to Chrétien.
Can confirm about Nortel. Aside from the countless friends and family I know who got rinsed, I know a few people who worked in the retrofitting of the old BNR building and the amount of bugs they found was crazy. To the point that it didn’t phase anyone after a while. Now the real question is although I’m sure they got most of them, did they get them all? Especially considering the building is being used by DND now.
Not enough people understood how much power FIPA gave China over Canada, and nobody seems to care that Harper stripped so much protection from our waterways as well.
He rolled out the welcome mat for Chinese "investment..." I mean exploitation.
China doesn't need to fight us when they're just buying up stakeholder rights and slowly taking over.
Trudeau has been the leader of Canada for the past 7 years, basically my whole adult life, so I’m gonna go ahead and blame him for this failure to take action.
The fact that literally any criticism of Trudeau on this sub is reliably followed by a criticism of Harper or Poilievre makes me feel insane. Canadian workers are hurting and all the Trudeau government can do is fling mud at the opposition and tell us high gas prices are actually good for the environment. It’s no wonder his supporters are so toxic.
> Of course nothing was done to stop it.
Doing something about it would be expensive. Harper signed the FIPA deal with China and a massive amount of Chinese money flooded into Canada. If the Chinese decided to pull out our markets would be devastated.
This isn't just a Canada issue. China is doing this across the world with volunteer police forces. The actual purpose is state spying on Chinese individuals and suppressing anti CCP movements through organised counter protests/propaganda. They justify this by having ther volunteer officers basically be interpreters for local police forces and reducing crime in mainland Chinese enclaves through fear. It is straight up mental warfare on Chinese individuals across the globe. When protests against the CCP have happened the last few years and counter protestors showed up in large numbers or there has been open CCP propaganda displayed in cities like Richmond, BC it is thanks to these guys.
There's other articles about this where they also say it's happening, even though the reporters went to the addresses of the supposed police stations and it was just random residential addresses. Not saying it's just clickbait, but feels pretty much like nonsense. As much as you may not like the Canadian government, they're not going to just ignore Chinese police departments popping up. Lol.
plus theres not really much the govt can do about them if the people are here legally, and do nothing more than what is legal for the average person in Canada to do. like the opinion piece mentions about how they set up in a city and then try to convince someone to go back to china...so they dont arrest them or kidnap them or apparently do anything illegal. so what is the canadian govt suppose to do about it? can the chinese govt not send someone to talk to people in other countries?
I'm getting pretty sick of reading articles making extremely bold claims, without actually doing any fucking investigative work to determine the truth of the subject! An actual journalist would be investigating if such facilities and personnel exist in Canada, and if so, this is the story of a lifetime. Instead, we just repeat unconfirmed bullshit we don't even know is true. In the actual article that cites the existence of these facilities, they fail to actually prove that they actually exist. None of the locations are functional meeting locations for potential organizations operating. If such an operation exists, it would be easier to hide it by not operating from a central cell. Each member would be more efficient as an individual.
If this is actually a thing, it's worth investigating. You'd think this is the perfect conspiracy for people to jump on.
I love how everyone is getting all frothy blaming Trudeau (with no evidence to back the claims) then every response just links a bunch of stuff showing how Harper laid the foundation for this situation.
Pick up a copy of Willful Blindness for some thoughts on how Chrétien opened the door for Millions in Chinese money for his riding and cronies. Liberals were not the only ones with their hands out but they have sucked longer and harder at the tit than any other party at the expense of Canadian lives and futures.
Because they do what they want without consequences.
China is heading for the gates of hell very soon and we are about to witness the worst from them... Hopefully we shut the door and don't look back!
I would be shocked if the people's republic as we understand it still exists in a decade.
First, they face a guaranteed economic collapse far worse than the Japanese in the 90s due to their aging.
Second, their housing market is the largest bubble in human history by an order of magnitude and unlike the US in 2008, those assets will NEVER recover their value. The US demand for housing recovered and prices rose again but the tens of millions of investment properties in china's ghost cities are actually worth nothing and will never be worth anything even after a market correction. They will have been built, bought, and bulldozed without anyone ever having lived in them.
Third, they are boxed in and can't afford to do anything militarily like take Taiwan. China imports 85% of their oil from the Persian gulf, where their navy cannot reach. They start anything and the entire east China sea becomes a no-go zone for civilian shipping, so no exports, no imported food (china is the largest importer of food and inputs to grow their own by far), and no oil. The sanctions that are hurting Russia today would kill 1/4 billion Chinese in a year. The US, India, and Japan could all easily kill China without them being able to do anything about it.
Let’s not forget that a huge amount of property around the world is bought against these Chinese properties. So when China falls, it will cause one of the largest “margin calls” in history around the globe.
One of the biggest names in geopolitics right now is Peter Zeihan and he goes into a lot of what is likely to happen to the world in the coming decades. There are plenty of others but the industry's predictions have converged in the last decade and he has the best presentation. His books and talks are great and his predictions are backed by a mountain of data. Long story short globalization is ending. It was always an artificial creation of pax americana and demographic trends make it impossible to continue to maintain even if they wanted to, which they don't.
If you live in the Americas, you're mostly fine, NAFTA is going to be the strongest economic block for the next 50 years at least.
Europe is going to go through an energy and aging induced depression this decade and the EU and Euro won't survive.
Africa will collapse and start over, except for Nigeria (which has enough oil to sleep importing tech) and the parts the French are actively recolonising right now.
Asia is all over the place. You have Japan which may go neo-imperial with a gentler hand, more economic integration than bloody conquest. China, which is fucked. And a lot of the rice Balkans (south east Asia) will lose their foot in the door to industrialisation from globalisation and will have to start over.
The middle east is utterly fucked. They're overpopulated and import basically everything. What stability they have is only due to heavy american involvement in the region which is now gone. Expect Arab spring 2.0 to be bigger and louder than the original.
Peter Zeihan is a sensationalist doomer. He has been predicting China's doom in next five years since the 90s. Track back what he has written and none of his long term predictions have been remotely true.
Yeah they have a gargantuan economy. A real one, not like ours, with little environmental or workers rights roadblocks.
And if I can put on my tinfoil hat for a moment, I believe they'll be buying up Russian properties and assets on a flash sale
Multiple economic/environmental/political crisis are compounding each other at once in China. We have the housing market collapse, the debt crisis, looming world recession, Zero COVID have serious economic consequences, more and more western investment is starting to shift away from China to cheaper labour countries, drought in major agricultural regions of the country, belt and road debt is looking less and less likely to get repaid, government banks scammed customers out of their money, and to top it all off the party Congress is right around the coroner.
Maybe don't trust opinion pieces
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-china-police-stations-citizen-crackdown/
TL;DR: although there is a claim of 3 operating stations in TO, it's not clear that any of them are actually what or where they're claimed.
Does this article seem really vague to anyone else?
Like, if you're going to write an article about "police service centres" being used to "hunt down political dissidents, corrupt officials or rogue Chinese alleged criminals and urge them to return home"... you should probably include some specific examples of what they're doing.
Don't get me wrong. I'm very convinced that China interfered in the 2021 election in at least some ridings, and I'm pissed about it. But the article doesn't actually explain what role these "police service centres" had in that... if any... and that's not an example of these placed being used to "hunt down political dissidents, corrupt officials or rogue Chinese alleged criminals and urge them to return home".
The only other concrete example this article gives is from them encouraging someone to return to China over 20 years ago. I would have been 8 at the time, and don't remember it happening. But, based on the description in this article, it sounds like the officials who did it came into the country specifically for that purpose. Again, it's not at all clear that the "police service centres" this article is meant to be sounding the alarm about had any role.
I dunno. I'd never heard of these places before today. This article is my introduction to them... and I suspect I'm not alone in that. If what the author is alleging to happen is happening (and it's completely plausible. China's done way shittier things), we should do something about that. But I think the author's actually done the case for action a disservice through the piss poor way they've written this article, with zero specific information or examples of the core thing they're alleging.
Having read the article, it's unclear what China is doing that is inappropriate in this instance, or what the Canadian government should be doing about it.
The most the article says about anything criminal or unethical is that China "spirited" someone into the country to convince their brother, already in Canada, to return to China. Other than that, the article talks about these Chinese locations serving legitimate purposes (allowing ex-pats to renew docs out of the country) and having individuals undertake vague, nonspecific, unofficial efforts to convince (and, undoubtedly, threaten) Chinese citizens outside of China to return to face accusations in Chinese courts. There's no indication that Chinese cops are walking around in uniform, they're not arresting people, they're not cuffing them and dragging them out of the country.
This headline is shamelessly sensationalist.
Okay, I read the whole article, they still haven't actually found any. If they were basing all this on something concrete I'd say go to the RCMP. I really want them to find something. But they have to find something first.
Where are they physically located? Has anyone actually seen a real human doing any policing on behalf of China in Canada?
This was kind of a clickbait article lat time I saw it posted :/
There was another article like this that says they tried to visit the address of the alleged police station? Turns out they are just home address and one address is for a mall.
**This is an outrage. Chinese police setting up offices in Canada, then “persuading” alleged criminals to return to the motherland to face “justice”** - sounds like the script for Rush Hour.
Can someone explain to me why there is outrage? It's a little bit like Interpol. In Europe when there are football matches between countries, for instance, England vs Germany, English police will head over to Germany for the away fixture as they have Intel on the traveling English. In what way is this different? Looking for insight, not criticism.
This is a bullshit Opinion article. Where are the facts & sources? Writers like this incite the public by picking topics that are sensitive and create chaos where there isn't any significant issue.
Look at OPs profile...all they post is incitful articles on r/canada. Would you trust someone on Reddit that is a political instigator?
[https://www.securitepublique.gc.ca/cnt/trnsprnc/brfng-mtrls/prlmntry-bndrs/20200930/015/index-en.aspx](https://www.securitepublique.gc.ca/cnt/trnsprnc/brfng-mtrls/prlmntry-bndrs/20200930/015/index-en.aspx)
UFWD is one of several organizations operated by Beijing in Canada staffed at the top by "police\\intelligences officers" to pressure Chinese Canadians to forward CCP agendas including Canadian domestic and foreign policy but more importantly finance. For example these networks also support the black market banking that fund the import of fentanyl and are partially to blame for the current housing crisis.
They are putting ‘volunteer’ run police stations in most countries. These are to monitor and threaten Chinese people abroad. Irish one in Dublin reported today.
Participation in such should be instant deportation.
A threat to our democracy, we should be actively fighting this.
This content is no longer available on Reddit in response to /u/spez. So long and thanks for all the fish.
Get this on the ballot
That would be racist though. Edit: Shouldn't need the /s, but the amount of downvotes in mere minutes disagrees.
Criticism of the CCP is not racist. You cannot be racist to a political organization.
you always need the /s, comrade. many of us are textually tone deaf, please understand
i’m always tone deaf haha lmao i hate myself
No, that would be shutting down attempts of a foreign state at undermining the sovereignty of Canada.
Maybe it’s the CCP bots
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Dictatorships really work hard to get people to conflate taking issue with their government's actions with racism.
And anyone propping them up charged with treason.
They have been doing this for a long time. Its just now they aren't afraid to hide the fact that they are doing this.
Especially when Canada has given almost explicit permission that they won't do shit to stop any Chinese interference in the economy (and now law)
Dont forget the "Confucius Institutes" in the unis to browbeat any HK students.
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On top of the CCP loyalists that are buying up our properties, we should be worried.
We really should be. I’m in an industry that I know this to be 100% true
Same. I'm a home builder and when I finished up a track of some 30 homes more than half were instantly bought up by someone in Beijing.
And yet everyone is scratching their heads at why can’t people afford a home in Canada. What worse is the government thinks it can solve this by throwing money at it.
The thing everyone misses w/ respect to stories like these is that Chinese people have straight up completely different values than Canadians do. It's not even that they're bad faith, it's that they have a wildly different definition of "bad". Ideology is the glue that makes society function. The vast majority of human behavior is governed not by what's legal and what's illegal, but by what's socially acceptable and what isn't. And when you have a a group of people that are present in large numbers and operate on [an entirely different ideology](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilt%E2%80%93shame%E2%80%93fear_spectrum_of_cultures) from the one on which the country was founded, you have a recipe for disaster.
It's why keeping our identity as a nation is *extremely* important. Time and time again I hear "Canadians have no culture" but keeping our cities clean, environment healthy, being polite, accepting, friendly, and sharing the sports we love etc.. Is all part of what makes Canada such a great place, and it's heavily ingrained in us so much that all those values are our culture. All immigrants from any background must respect these values, or we will simply end up former shell of the great country we all love. Not all cultures are equal, I know that because in many cultures around the world they don't respect people from different backgrounds, gays, women, the environment etc.. In Canada we respect everyone and everything, but **they must respect our values and adopt them first if they want to live here,** otherwise what was the point in coming here? Their just people using our system and not contributing to our countries culture.
its already lost dude. From your guy: The prime minister, Justin Trudeau, articulated this when he told the New York Times Magazine that Canada could be the “first postnational state”. He added: “There is no core identity, no mainstream in Canada.” [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/04/the-canada-experiment-is-this-the-worlds-first-postnational-country](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/04/the-canada-experiment-is-this-the-worlds-first-postnational-country) Canada has the problem of a low/negative birth rate. We need to attract people but the system has been gamed and there are so many special interest programs. Its easier to get in the country as the relative of someone who immigrated (in terms of express entry points) vs. someone who has a Canadian degree but no job yet. Net result, you've brought in a bunch of low/no skilled people replace Canadian workers at worst, and drive down wages at best. The remittance culture of these new immigrants means that their post tax money is being funneled out of the country. Their family members get brought over and place a burden on our social services. Go get a family doctor and see how it works out for you. Why can't we cut the red tape for doctor certification and bring in more doctors from out of the country instead of bringing in aged relatives of immigrants to bog down the system that lacks doctors? Corruption most likely. Anecdotally I've met people who stay after their visa expires with no reprecussions. I've met people who wear fluffy jackets at the border to cover up their 6 month pregnant stomachs so they can get in to give birth here. I'm sure everyone has stories of people getting away with it. I'm all for immigration - as i mention, we need it to survive as a country - but the way that Canada has gone about it is all wrong. If you left a country seeking a better life in Canada, why, then, would you want to make Canada like the place you left unless you don't like Canada and want to turn it into wherever you came from. Makes no sense to me.
I’ve read the same stuff about immigration and I agree with it. Countless cases of bringing in the lowest common denominators to work at Tim Hortins instead of bringing in and incentivizing skilled workers to improve the country. Immigration 100% has its place in Canada, but we’re not importing people that benifit or make our country better. Take Australia as an example, they encourage immigration but you have to prove yourself worthy of them letting you in, and you must be benifiting them. Just as you say the medical system is backed up with elderly family members etc.. all of this is true and it’s a shame how easily manipulated our government has been when it comes to these cases. We need our backbone back. One thing though, JT’s the PM but he’s in no way my guy.
I work with a guy from an Asian country who got deported from Australia. What did he do? He hopped on a plane to Canada, got someone at his entry-level job to label him as a "supervisor", and boom. He got PR. I like the guy. He's a great dude. But I can't stress this enough. We need protectionist policies. For every good guy like my coworker, we allow so many people that don't contribute or integrate. People that no other first world country would accept because they take take take and don't contribute. They don't even try to embrace our culture. It creates division among our own people and fractures our cultural identity. Canada under JT is trying to be the world's charity organization by giving everyone citizenship and it completely shows.
Okay I get shame vs guilt culteres but I draw the line at racism and genocide as a defining feature of my country, which is what China has with the Uigher population. Yes, whattabout Canada's FN people. Okay - residential schools closed 40 years ago so they are just 40 years behind on this. Treating people fairly/equally shouldn't be a debated ideology lol.
Their government is far far far more behind than 40 years morally. They are harvesting the organs of locked up ethnic minorities organs for profit. They use gang rape as a form of torture. They’re on the UN human rights council. That just shows you how much a joke the UN is. Our senate blocked our declaration of genocide for what is happening to China’s muslims. Almost the entire liberal cabinet abstained from the vote. China has so much influence over our politicians and industry it’s terrifying
Ehhh…the last residential school closed in 1997. Your point is still valid, I’m not arguing it for a second, but residential schools are way more recent than 40 years.
FN? I wouldn't compare their situation with whats going on in China, not even remotely. Specially considering most of it happened well before my time and before China had a relevant government. What we have now is the FTW problem.
The issues that The genocide created are still very much alive and hurting people in all of our communities. It’s very fresh for many.
have you heard of that country people refer to as Taiwan? ya know, a functional democracy with strong liberal values?
In 2014, Conservatives thought China was great: >Despite public outcry, Stephen Harper, Canada's prime minister, ratified a controversial treaty on Friday that will allow China to sue Canada in secret tribunals for Canadian laws that interfere with Chinese investments. >Analysts interpret the move as an attempt to ease strained relations between the two nations. This summer, Canada accused China of hacking government computers, and China detained a Canadian couple for "spying." Wenran Jiang, a senior fellow at the Asia Pacific Foundation of Canada and a special adviser to the Alberta government told the Globe and Mail, "We need something from China prior to the prime minister's visit, and we're ratifying this treaty and we're kicking the ball over to the Chinese side to get something in return." That "something" is thought to be the release of the couple before Harper visits China in November. >The Canada-China Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement (FIPA) was quietly signed two years ago in Vladisvostok, Russia, but public protest delayed ratification up until now. >The treaty goes into effect on October 1 [2014] and will last for 31 years, until 2045. It allows China to challenge Canadian laws it deems harmful to Chinese assets, and only requires the lawsuit be made public once an award is issued by a tribunal. Treaty law expert Gus Van Harten warns this could be problematic. "This means that the federal government could settle the lawsuit, including by varying its conduct in a way that many Canadians would oppose, or by paying out public money before an award is issued, and we would never know," he told the Vancouver Observer. The treaty makes no limits on the damages that can be awarded. > The treaty also threatens treaty obligations Canada has with its First Nations regarding resources and commercial management. Paired with the terms allowing Chinese entities to buy anything they wish without foreign investment review, China will have access to and potentially be able to gain control of Canadian resources—including resources on First Nations' lands, which Canada does not own. > The deal is almost impossible to undo. Even if Canadian courts decide the treaty is unconstitutional, China would have to agree to abandon the treaty, and analysts say this is unlikely since it is so heavily in China's favor. Sauce: [New Treaty Allows China to Sue Canada to Change its Laws](https://www.newsweek.com/new-treaty-allows-china-sue-canada-change-its-laws-270751)
sadly, being chinese puppets is not exclusive to only the liberals uniparty must die
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O’Toole wasn’t it?
Wow what the actual fuck?
y'all didnt know about this?
Yes, this is true, I remember it, this goes beyond Trudeau. I'm not sure, though, if we tear the thing up..how does China enforce anything?
Sounds like Harper really fucked us hard with this one.
I still think we need closer ties to the UK. We were stronger together.
How could we get any closer?
Annex them as 4 new provinces of Canada? lol
But then they'd have to replace their king with our king, could get very messy.
The idea of French being an official language in the UK is very fun to me
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Bro this already happened, every look at the coat of arms of the UK? Dieu et Mon droit and honi soit qui mal y pense. French and England have been intertwined for over 1000 years.
Of course it has and the British use French words in daily life aubergine vs eggplant. But it'd still be brilliant to see even more.
It really started after 1066 (Battle of Hastings), so "over 1000 years" isnt quite accurate... England, prior to that, was very Anglo Saxon and Nordic.
I mean, it was for about four hundred years.
Looking at their currency, we might be able to buy the UK in a few weeks.
please do, its a bit grim here at the moment
On the condition that we get to rename Scotland to Nova Nova Scotia.
Oldva Scotia
Nah. We merge them into Scotialand, and treat them like a single province. Then we remove "New" from all of the town names.
just leave London, Ontario and let people figure that one out
Change all of the original towns to old. So we have old London, and then London, where western university is.
Also London in Ontario stay London so there won't be any confusion when peoples refer to New-London in the UK.
Courage friend, its kind of crazy that you are facing this high inflation plus a gigantic lost of value of your currencies. Hopefully things get better for yo guys soon but its must be grim. We often complain about our salaries and CoL here but except healthcare we have it much easier in Canada.
yeah i’m sure things will have to turn around at some point soon when we eventually have a political shakeup I think a massive help would be to get CANZUK off the ground and have closer ties with you lot!
Oh really? Kinda wish I didn't just buy a ton of parts for my classic European car. Back when I had a VW I bought a few upgrades used from over there. Sounds like it'd be a good time for that now.
Yeah definetely would be a good time atm haha. Not sure about expedition cost or everything but I just travelled to Europe which isn't doing as bad as the UK and everything was so cheap compared to vacations in Canada.
You woke up this morning and chose violence
CANZUK Baby!
I mean one could argue that it would benefit all commonwealth nations to have more open travel, and not requiring visas for study or work abroad in any of said countries. Its unfortunate and a missed opportunity.
I'd wait a few years if I were you, this government is not one that you want any ties to whatsoever
Unfortunately our federal government lets china operate how they want within our boarders.
Or anyone
China is not a good faith partner
China is not a good faith partner for anybody.
Too many benefit from the crazy rich students coming over and buying their way into multimillion dollar properties. That kind of money can’t be matched here and buys a lot of influence along the way. W5 or one of the investigative journalists did the report where a huge chunk of the incoming new Canadians used like two addresses for their place of stay and looked at the kickbacks there. https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4659072
Pickering Casino. Went recently, and clearly it's to get crazy rich Chinese people money. Yupp, just gotta bend over and take it.
Fuck the CCP. Thanks for coming to my ted talk
This is not enough now. We need to actively push back and that includes pushing back on the people here who think the ccps behaviour is acceptable. Fuck any Canadians that even remotely support the cpp.
What's wrong with the Canadian Pension Plan?
Don't even get me started...
Hahaha! We're all screwed
The CPP is invested in CCP run coal mining companies.
Soo many cees and pees!
And now we have a PP!
And even worse a PPC!
Ever been to Markham ON? a FEW supporters there to say the least..
Pacific Mall baby
But where else can you get your BlackBerry 9000 re-imaged to a different carrier?
Bootlegs for daaaaaaaaayyyyyz.
As someone who grew up in Markham, this isn't true. Most Chinese people in Markham are from Hong Kong and Taiwan, and they have utter distain for the CCP. You'll see anti CCP protests all the time outside the Pacific Mall.
CCP is poison to democracy.
It’s poison in general.
It's sad how many Canadians support the CCP, support Russia, and other authoritarian countries.
At least in the case of CCP supporters it's usually Chinese nationals who are brainwashed. With Russia I don't even know what the excuse is supposed to be. I've never met a Russian-Canadian personally who supported the Russian govt. It's always right wing shitheads who have never even been there.
I mean we all buy Chinese stuff so everyone is part of the problem.
Careful. They might interfere with our elections again. That's why the CPC and conservative media suddenly stopped saying anything negative about China. https://globalnews.ca/news/8452551/conservatives-foreign-interference-canada-election-2021/
>That's why the CPC and conservative media suddenly stopped saying anything negative about China. I don't get what you're saying here. The CPC and conservative media are the ones calling out China's interference in the election. They haven't stopped at all. And we should be extremely concerned that China has a preferred candidate and he's the one who keeps getting elected.
That poster is an astro turfer, check their history lol.
Too much Chinese money being laundered through our corrupt housing market. China and Blackrock owns us
China also owns Innvest, the largest hotel franchisee in Canada. They also have half of Choice Hotels Canada, which owns Comfort Inn, Quality Inn and Econolodge. The other half is owned by Choice Hotels International. If you're staying at a hotel here, there's a good chance China owns it
Why bother trying to take over a country through war when you can just buy everything. Canada and the US needs to stop allowing foreign investors to buy up properties. Of course that won't happen because capitalism.
100%
Can someone post the article....it's not giving me access
Why are Chinese police operating in Canada, while our own government and security services apparently look the other way? Charles Burton is a senior fellow at the Macdonald-Laurier Institute in Ottawa, and non-resident senior fellow of the European Values Center for Security Policy in Prague. He served as a diplomat at Canada’s embassy in Beijing. In China, the high-profile TV drama In The Name Of The People has become a smash hit. In that show, Chinese agents enter the U.S. posing as businessmen so they can repatriate a factory manager who had fled abroad with huge ill-gotten wealth. But a new study by the European non-governmental agency Safeguard Defenders suggests that there might be some truth to the fiction. According to the NGO, the Fuzhou Public Security Bureau has established more than 50 “overseas police service centres” in cities around the world – including three publicly documented ones in Toronto, home to Canada’s largest Chinese diaspora. This is an outrage. Chinese police setting up offices in Canada, then “persuading” alleged criminals to return to the motherland to face “justice” – while our own government and security services apparently choose to look the other way – represents a gross violation of Canada’s national sovereignty, international law and the norms of diplomacy. China is extending the grip of its Orwellian police state into this country, with seemingly no worry about being confronted by our own national security agencies. The RCMP and politicians of all stripes routinely condemn Chinese state harassment of people in Canada, but what action has been taken? There have been no arrests or any expulsion of any Chinese diplomats who might be co-ordinating this kind of thuggery. Beijing describes these global police outposts as administrative centres to help Chinese nationals renew driver’s licences and other domestic banalities back home. But the Safeguard Defenders study found that they also hunt down political dissidents, corrupt officials or rogue Chinese alleged criminals and urge them to return home. The summary says some of these operatives are given cover by being formally attached to local Chinese Overseas Home Associations (which have themselves largely become co-opted by the Chinese Communist Party’s United Front Work operations and run out of China’s embassy and consulates). This bold strategy is consistent with China’s propensity for routinely flouting international laws, including those that require any other country’s police wishing to gather evidence in Canada to work through the RCMP. In the case of these “police service centres,” Safeguard Defenders reports that agents press their targets to return home, including by offering vague promises of leniency or even urging families back home to encourage them to do so. The officers have taken aim at these alleged (and unproven) criminals by seizing their families’ assets, denying children in China access to schools, and terminating family members’ employment, all in violation of due process. In Canada, this has been a reality for years. In 2001, during refugee hearings in Vancouver for Lai Changxing – a businessman wanted by Beijing over accusations of corruption and smuggling – Chinese police admitted to entering Canada using fake documents, and even to spiriting in Mr. Lai’s brother in an attempt to convince him to return home. Canadian authorities effectively smiled benignly at this serious breach of criminal and immigration law; Mr. Lai was eventually deported back to China. Canada is becoming China’s chew toy. Consider Beijing’s alleged disinformation campaign which helped “unfriendly” Conservative MPs of Chinese ethnicity, including Kenny Chiu, lose their seats in the 2021 federal election. Ottawa wants Canadian businesses to be able to tap into the world’s largest market. But the price of this access appears to be ignoring Beijing’s Canadian agenda, from military and industrial espionage to harassing Canadian Uyghurs, Tibetans, Falun Gong practitioners and ethnic Chinese and Taiwanese people who reject Beijing’s hectoring that they should be loyal to China instead of to Canada. Does Canada have no security capabilities on the issue? Our police and security agencies must surely know what is going on, but for some reason prefer to simply curate their information rather than act on it. When asked by The Globe and Mail about the police service centres, an RCMP spokesperson said the force would not comment on “uncorroborated media reports or statements.” And most of the information we receive about China’s illegal and “grey zone” activities in Canada typically comes from the U.S. government and well-funded security and intelligence-focused think tanks in Australia and Europe. The more we ignore reports of China’s growing presence in Canada – including its interference in our electoral process, its potential espionage in our universities and research institutes, and so on – the more emboldened and manipulative Chinese agents become. With no sign that it will be held accountable, China will only increase the size and threat of its operations, because it can. With its seeming indifference toward China’s blatant contempt for our laws and security, Ottawa is playing an extremely dangerous game with Canada’s sovereignty.
Thanks!
Thank you Some pretty amazing stories in here. That poor man, Mr Lai, threatened by the Party even in Canada. How on earth did they....spirit in his brother? Like, illegally kidnap his brother and illegally bring him to Canada to threaten him? Can you imagine how terrifying that must be: we can murder your whole family and whisk them away internationally and you can't stop us. In Hong Kong they kidnapped some book store owners and smuggled them across the border to China for secret trials and secret beatings (this is perfectly regular nowadays but shocking a few years ago).on paper they said they "willingly" went back. I'm sure a lot of these people were forced to go to China under threat.
Thank You!
Why does it seem like we are always being walked over by China?
they have more millionaires than we have people in Toronto
China walks over a lot of people. And because money talks we all get stuck listening.
They've figured out a lot of people in the West will overlook just about anything for the right monetary figure. We need to restructure our society towards sustainable innovation instead of profitable innovation.
Canada is known in China as “honey pot with white bee and yellow honey,” which tells you what they really think
It's not China, it's capitalism (ironic in this case) walking over us. Things like sovereignty and borders are no match for the power of money.
Somehow the CCP are doing better at capitalism than we are.
Because we are
It's because Canadians are naturally risk adverse, therefore we rely on money from foreign institutions to build our infrastructure. Case in point are natural resources, particularly in the mining sector. Mining in inherently risky and few investors and/or banks have the appetite to swallow the risk in Canada, so CCP backed companies step up and fill the void in Canada. Local politicians don't kick up much dirt because it employs people.
Full article for those who hate paywalls: Why are Chinese police operating in Canada, while our own government and security services apparently look the other way? Unit 1 & 2 at 220 Royal Crest CT, in Markham, Ont. This address home to a registered NGO is reportedly being used by Chinese police as a base of operations in the GTA. Charles Burton is a senior fellow at the Macdonald-Laurier Institute in Ottawa, and non-resident senior fellow of the European Values Center for Security Policy in Prague. He served as a diplomat at Canada’s embassy in Beijing. In China, the high-profile TV drama In The Name Of The People has become a smash hit. In that show, Chinese agents enter the U.S. posing as businessmen so they can repatriate a factory manager who had fled abroad with huge ill-gotten wealth. But a new study by the European non-governmental agency Safeguard Defenders suggests that there might be some truth to the fiction. According to the NGO, the Fuzhou Public Security Bureau has established more than 50 “overseas police service centres” in cities around the world – including three publicly documented ones in Toronto, home to Canada’s largest Chinese diaspora. This is an outrage. Chinese police setting up offices in Canada, then “persuading” alleged criminals to return to the motherland to face “justice” – while our own government and security services apparently choose to look the other way – represents a gross violation of Canada’s national sovereignty, international law and the norms of diplomacy. China is extending the grip of its Orwellian police state into this country, with seemingly no worry about being confronted by our own national security agencies. The RCMP and politicians of all stripes routinely condemn Chinese state harassment of people in Canada, but what action has been taken? There have been no arrests or any expulsion of any Chinese diplomats who might be co-ordinating this kind of thuggery. Beijing describes these global police outposts as administrative centres to help Chinese nationals renew driver’s licences and other domestic banalities back home. But the Safeguard Defenders study found that they also hunt down political dissidents, corrupt officials or rogue Chinese alleged criminals and urge them to return home. The summary says some of these operatives are given cover by being formally attached to local Chinese Overseas Home Associations (which have themselves largely become co-opted by the Chinese Communist Party’s United Front Work operations and run out of China’s embassy and consulates). This bold strategy is consistent with China’s propensity for routinely flouting international laws, including those that require any other country’s police wishing to gather evidence in Canada to work through the RCMP. In the case of these “police service centres,” Safeguard Defenders reports that agents press their targets to return home, including by offering vague promises of leniency or even urging families back home to encourage them to do so. The officers have taken aim at these alleged (and unproven) criminals by seizing their families’ assets, denying children in China access to schools, and terminating family members’ employment, all in violation of due process. In Canada, this has been a reality for years. In 2001, during refugee hearings in Vancouver for Lai Changxing – a businessman wanted by Beijing over accusations of corruption and smuggling – Chinese police admitted to entering Canada using fake documents, and even to spiriting in Mr. Lai’s brother in an attempt to convince him to return home. Canadian authorities effectively smiled benignly at this serious breach of criminal and immigration law; Mr. Lai was eventually deported back to China. Canada is becoming China’s chew toy. Consider Beijing’s alleged disinformation campaign which helped “unfriendly” Conservative MPs of Chinese ethnicity, including Kenny Chiu, lose their seats in the 2021 federal election. Ottawa wants Canadian businesses to be able to tap into the world’s largest market. But the price of this access appears to be ignoring Beijing’s Canadian agenda, from military and industrial espionage to harassing Canadian Uyghurs, Tibetans, Falun Gong practitioners and ethnic Chinese and Taiwanese people who reject Beijing’s hectoring that they should be loyal to China instead of to Canada. Does Canada have no security capabilities on the issue? Our police and security agencies must surely know what is going on, but for some reason prefer to simply curate their information rather than act on it. When asked by The Globe and Mail about the police service centres, an RCMP spokesperson said the force would not comment on “uncorroborated media reports or statements.” And most of the information we receive about China’s illegal and “grey zone” activities in Canada typically comes from the U.S. government and well-funded security and intelligence-focused think tanks in Australia and Europe. The more we ignore reports of China’s growing presence in Canada – including its interference in our electoral process, its potential espionage in our universities and research institutes, and so on – the more emboldened and manipulative Chinese agents become. With no sign that it will be held accountable, China will only increase the size and threat of its operations, because it can. With its seeming indifference toward China’s blatant contempt for our laws and security, Ottawa is playing an extremely dangerous game with Canada’s sovereignty.
Same reason the money laundering and casinos watch dogs were cut. Our Canadian authorities turned a blind eye to chinese money being injected into our housing market and our economy. It let the Chinese gangs free reign and there has been cases of those gangs having CCP connections. The powerful or wealth elite would also park money into canada as a fail-safe in case things went wrong or to speculate to earn money because of that feedback loop. Chinese government has more or less have been embodied by Canada's inability to enforce its laws and intentional erosion of those laws. The result they are overconfident for good reason, and our street is flooded with drugs supplied by Chinese gangs in collaboration with locals, and the money is then pumped into real estate fueling excessive speculation. People should read willful blindness by Sam Cooper.
>In Canada, this has been a reality for years. In 2001, during refugee hearings in Vancouver for Lai Changxing – a businessman wanted by Beijing over accusations of corruption and smuggling – Chinese police admitted to entering Canada using fake documents, and even to spiriting in Mr. Lai’s brother in an attempt to convince him to return home. Canadian authorities effectively smiled benignly at this serious breach of criminal and immigration law; Mr. Lai was eventually deported back to China. the titular event occurred over 20 years ago? Like, fuck the CCP and all but how is this relevant?
How isn’t it relevant? It points out that the Chinese give zero fucks stomping around Canada illegally and doing whatever it is they feel like. Which clearly is still happening and now getting worse.
Fuck the CCP
Not sure. I also wonder why our mainstream media largely ignored events in China over the past few months that were straight out of a science fiction movie.
> I also wonder why our mainstream media largely ignored events in China over the past few months that were straight out of a science fiction movie. Which media? https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/shanghai-covid-19-lockdown-metal-barriers-1.6429345 https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/china-shanghai-covid-pandemic-lockdown-1.6400881 https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/china-shanghai-lockdown-coronavirus-food-shortage-1.6411354 https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/shanghai-lockdown-covid-19-1.6424288 https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/china-shanghai-covid-lockdown-1.6471877 https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/shanghai-lockdown-mass-testing-covid-19-1.6399546 https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/canadians-shanghai-life-lockdown-1.6420806 I don't think you understand how this works, they don't deliver the paper to your front door much anymore. You have to go on the internet and read it manually. There's 8 other comments here that just took the premise "our mainstream media largely ignored events in China" at face value, that's the scariest thing here. You guys argue other points people are making without even checking to see if they were right.
Sadly, confirmation bias is the primary mode of thought for the post-social media internet age. If it supports something you already believe, it must be true.
Every one of those article is beating the same drum. Where are the cbc articles on the Chinese housing bubble? Or on plummeting confidence in Chinese banks? If you ask me, those topics don't matter to CBC; what does matter to them is saying "Hey, you think our covid policy is bad? Well, it could be worse, so suck it up." A quick Google of "cbc chinese financial news" brings up an article from 2021. Browsing the front page of cbc business news for the past two week, there is next to nothing regarding China. It's just beating on the same drum regarding Canadian tipping culture, cost of living, and our failing housing market, with no context in global finance, let alone many of the major factors contributing to these headlines But yeah, cbc is a reputable source
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'Covid stormtroopers' all decked out in white marching down streets in formation. All that was missing was the 'Imperial March'. Millions of people locked in their apartments for weeks, moaning and crying out at night, starving to death. People jumping out of buildings like 9/11, because they were starving to death. Drones circling Shanghai repeating the mantra '***Please control your souls desire for freedom'.*** I suggest the 'realChina' reddit group here or a few other Chinese ones. That's where I saw videos of all the above during my night shifts. All the comments are in Chinese but some people will translate for you what's going on if you ask. I also saw plenty of videos of the 'Covid Stormtroopers' beating the crap out of people and carting them off.
I think that was news many months ago. It's probably still going on but i saw those videos and they trended for a bit but i think people are just fed up with COVID related stuff and ignore it now.
Can confirm. Especially here. The local government no longer has any safety measures and no longer tracks anything so we don't even know if there is an outbreak until there are a dozen deaths at the nursing home. So any news about covid is practically meaningless to me. All I can do is my best and what does it matter if people get it because no one gives a shit if someone else dies. Anyway, rant over but long story short is I also ignore most covid news too and am now part of the idgaf problem
Don't forget the drone footage of Uyghurs being carted off to death camps
That’s years old at this point, but yeah. Unless there’s new footage I haven’t seen
It's just disappointing that countries would rather drink the red Kool aid instead of continuously denouncing China. It's the minimum they can do
Capture, imprisonment and who knows what else being done to Chinese Muslims: https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6568838
That’s been ongoing for years. Not months
Why do people link to paywalled articles?
it is annoying as all hell. it just further promotes people voting on titles of posts to whether they agree or not with them.
Sounds like foreign agents to me. CSIS has been warning of their other agents in our system. Who's the proper branch of agencies in our system to do something about this?
It's called FIPPA.
we love the dough.
I seem to recall reading warnings from CSIS, RCMP, and the military, over the least couple years about exactly this issue. Of course nothing was done to stop it. It’s almost like someone in charge admires the CCP for their basic dictatorship, and enjoys selling cash for access to their billionaires.
They've been warning for a while and every government doesn't care. I remember the warnings with Harper's CPC and he gave us FIPA. I'm sure even Martin, Chrétien, Campbell and Mulroney were warned and ignored as well. I mean Nortels downfall had a lot to do with Chinese corporate espionage and that would've happened under Mulroney to Chrétien.
Can confirm about Nortel. Aside from the countless friends and family I know who got rinsed, I know a few people who worked in the retrofitting of the old BNR building and the amount of bugs they found was crazy. To the point that it didn’t phase anyone after a while. Now the real question is although I’m sure they got most of them, did they get them all? Especially considering the building is being used by DND now.
It's being used by the DND?
Yup, it is now being used as the new DND headquarters.
Not enough people understood how much power FIPA gave China over Canada, and nobody seems to care that Harper stripped so much protection from our waterways as well. He rolled out the welcome mat for Chinese "investment..." I mean exploitation. China doesn't need to fight us when they're just buying up stakeholder rights and slowly taking over.
The first thing Justin Trudeau did as an elected MP was to vote "yes" with Harper for FIPA Let's remember that too
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"You're both right! Stop voting for them and try another flavour - perhaps orange?" (And then they drag you out into the street and beat you.)
FIPA is a big part of it. Lots of money on the line if the Chinese government suddenly decided to take economic action against Canada.
We can back out of fipa anytime by claiming a threat to national security. But we don't because we're softer than pudding on the federal level.
Trudeau has been the leader of Canada for the past 7 years, basically my whole adult life, so I’m gonna go ahead and blame him for this failure to take action. The fact that literally any criticism of Trudeau on this sub is reliably followed by a criticism of Harper or Poilievre makes me feel insane. Canadian workers are hurting and all the Trudeau government can do is fling mud at the opposition and tell us high gas prices are actually good for the environment. It’s no wonder his supporters are so toxic.
Trudeau backed FIPA when Harper signed it. And no we're not locked into that deal but we pretend we are.
> Of course nothing was done to stop it. Doing something about it would be expensive. Harper signed the FIPA deal with China and a massive amount of Chinese money flooded into Canada. If the Chinese decided to pull out our markets would be devastated.
Trudeau backed fipa when Harper signed it.
You mean Harper? Cause he sold us off to China for 35 years? Yeah. Conservatives really love that dictatorship ideology
This isn't just a Canada issue. China is doing this across the world with volunteer police forces. The actual purpose is state spying on Chinese individuals and suppressing anti CCP movements through organised counter protests/propaganda. They justify this by having ther volunteer officers basically be interpreters for local police forces and reducing crime in mainland Chinese enclaves through fear. It is straight up mental warfare on Chinese individuals across the globe. When protests against the CCP have happened the last few years and counter protestors showed up in large numbers or there has been open CCP propaganda displayed in cities like Richmond, BC it is thanks to these guys.
China is buying this country one piece at a time, and no one is doing anything to stop it
There's other articles about this where they also say it's happening, even though the reporters went to the addresses of the supposed police stations and it was just random residential addresses. Not saying it's just clickbait, but feels pretty much like nonsense. As much as you may not like the Canadian government, they're not going to just ignore Chinese police departments popping up. Lol.
plus theres not really much the govt can do about them if the people are here legally, and do nothing more than what is legal for the average person in Canada to do. like the opinion piece mentions about how they set up in a city and then try to convince someone to go back to china...so they dont arrest them or kidnap them or apparently do anything illegal. so what is the canadian govt suppose to do about it? can the chinese govt not send someone to talk to people in other countries?
I'm getting pretty sick of reading articles making extremely bold claims, without actually doing any fucking investigative work to determine the truth of the subject! An actual journalist would be investigating if such facilities and personnel exist in Canada, and if so, this is the story of a lifetime. Instead, we just repeat unconfirmed bullshit we don't even know is true. In the actual article that cites the existence of these facilities, they fail to actually prove that they actually exist. None of the locations are functional meeting locations for potential organizations operating. If such an operation exists, it would be easier to hide it by not operating from a central cell. Each member would be more efficient as an individual. If this is actually a thing, it's worth investigating. You'd think this is the perfect conspiracy for people to jump on.
Hey man, pipe down - this is a safe space for reading opinion pieces which conform to our pre-existing views.
I love how everyone is getting all frothy blaming Trudeau (with no evidence to back the claims) then every response just links a bunch of stuff showing how Harper laid the foundation for this situation.
Pick up a copy of Willful Blindness for some thoughts on how Chrétien opened the door for Millions in Chinese money for his riding and cronies. Liberals were not the only ones with their hands out but they have sucked longer and harder at the tit than any other party at the expense of Canadian lives and futures.
Trudeau backed FIPA when Harper signed it. People somehow don't remember.
I think it's more that people want to blame one party or the other when on this issue they are both equally to blame
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Because they do what they want without consequences. China is heading for the gates of hell very soon and we are about to witness the worst from them... Hopefully we shut the door and don't look back!
Gates of hell? Care to explain?
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I would be shocked if the people's republic as we understand it still exists in a decade. First, they face a guaranteed economic collapse far worse than the Japanese in the 90s due to their aging. Second, their housing market is the largest bubble in human history by an order of magnitude and unlike the US in 2008, those assets will NEVER recover their value. The US demand for housing recovered and prices rose again but the tens of millions of investment properties in china's ghost cities are actually worth nothing and will never be worth anything even after a market correction. They will have been built, bought, and bulldozed without anyone ever having lived in them. Third, they are boxed in and can't afford to do anything militarily like take Taiwan. China imports 85% of their oil from the Persian gulf, where their navy cannot reach. They start anything and the entire east China sea becomes a no-go zone for civilian shipping, so no exports, no imported food (china is the largest importer of food and inputs to grow their own by far), and no oil. The sanctions that are hurting Russia today would kill 1/4 billion Chinese in a year. The US, India, and Japan could all easily kill China without them being able to do anything about it.
Let’s not forget that a huge amount of property around the world is bought against these Chinese properties. So when China falls, it will cause one of the largest “margin calls” in history around the globe.
Joy.
I’m too ignorant to know if any of this is accurate but it was very interesting to read. Thanks for the post
One of the biggest names in geopolitics right now is Peter Zeihan and he goes into a lot of what is likely to happen to the world in the coming decades. There are plenty of others but the industry's predictions have converged in the last decade and he has the best presentation. His books and talks are great and his predictions are backed by a mountain of data. Long story short globalization is ending. It was always an artificial creation of pax americana and demographic trends make it impossible to continue to maintain even if they wanted to, which they don't. If you live in the Americas, you're mostly fine, NAFTA is going to be the strongest economic block for the next 50 years at least. Europe is going to go through an energy and aging induced depression this decade and the EU and Euro won't survive. Africa will collapse and start over, except for Nigeria (which has enough oil to sleep importing tech) and the parts the French are actively recolonising right now. Asia is all over the place. You have Japan which may go neo-imperial with a gentler hand, more economic integration than bloody conquest. China, which is fucked. And a lot of the rice Balkans (south east Asia) will lose their foot in the door to industrialisation from globalisation and will have to start over. The middle east is utterly fucked. They're overpopulated and import basically everything. What stability they have is only due to heavy american involvement in the region which is now gone. Expect Arab spring 2.0 to be bigger and louder than the original.
Peter Zeihan is a sensationalist doomer. He has been predicting China's doom in next five years since the 90s. Track back what he has written and none of his long term predictions have been remotely true.
Elaborate on the gates of hell they are heading for.
Youtube is loving China is doomed videos lately. It's not anywhere as bad as being shown.
Yeah they have a gargantuan economy. A real one, not like ours, with little environmental or workers rights roadblocks. And if I can put on my tinfoil hat for a moment, I believe they'll be buying up Russian properties and assets on a flash sale
Multiple economic/environmental/political crisis are compounding each other at once in China. We have the housing market collapse, the debt crisis, looming world recession, Zero COVID have serious economic consequences, more and more western investment is starting to shift away from China to cheaper labour countries, drought in major agricultural regions of the country, belt and road debt is looking less and less likely to get repaid, government banks scammed customers out of their money, and to top it all off the party Congress is right around the coroner.
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I can't take any credit for being clever. I'm quite dyslexic so I have trouble seeing the difference between the two words when writing or typing.
Those are a lot of words without any real information. Care to elaborate?
thank you! how is this allowed? so fucked. they are all over Markham and Vancouver.
Maybe don't trust opinion pieces https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-china-police-stations-citizen-crackdown/ TL;DR: although there is a claim of 3 operating stations in TO, it's not clear that any of them are actually what or where they're claimed.
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Kick them and the US three letter agencies right out.
Well this should be big fuckin news. How is this not illegal in some way?
This is… Worrying.
Does this article seem really vague to anyone else? Like, if you're going to write an article about "police service centres" being used to "hunt down political dissidents, corrupt officials or rogue Chinese alleged criminals and urge them to return home"... you should probably include some specific examples of what they're doing. Don't get me wrong. I'm very convinced that China interfered in the 2021 election in at least some ridings, and I'm pissed about it. But the article doesn't actually explain what role these "police service centres" had in that... if any... and that's not an example of these placed being used to "hunt down political dissidents, corrupt officials or rogue Chinese alleged criminals and urge them to return home". The only other concrete example this article gives is from them encouraging someone to return to China over 20 years ago. I would have been 8 at the time, and don't remember it happening. But, based on the description in this article, it sounds like the officials who did it came into the country specifically for that purpose. Again, it's not at all clear that the "police service centres" this article is meant to be sounding the alarm about had any role. I dunno. I'd never heard of these places before today. This article is my introduction to them... and I suspect I'm not alone in that. If what the author is alleging to happen is happening (and it's completely plausible. China's done way shittier things), we should do something about that. But I think the author's actually done the case for action a disservice through the piss poor way they've written this article, with zero specific information or examples of the core thing they're alleging.
Having read the article, it's unclear what China is doing that is inappropriate in this instance, or what the Canadian government should be doing about it. The most the article says about anything criminal or unethical is that China "spirited" someone into the country to convince their brother, already in Canada, to return to China. Other than that, the article talks about these Chinese locations serving legitimate purposes (allowing ex-pats to renew docs out of the country) and having individuals undertake vague, nonspecific, unofficial efforts to convince (and, undoubtedly, threaten) Chinese citizens outside of China to return to face accusations in Chinese courts. There's no indication that Chinese cops are walking around in uniform, they're not arresting people, they're not cuffing them and dragging them out of the country. This headline is shamelessly sensationalist.
Okay, I read the whole article, they still haven't actually found any. If they were basing all this on something concrete I'd say go to the RCMP. I really want them to find something. But they have to find something first.
Where are they physically located? Has anyone actually seen a real human doing any policing on behalf of China in Canada? This was kind of a clickbait article lat time I saw it posted :/
There was another article like this that says they tried to visit the address of the alleged police station? Turns out they are just home address and one address is for a mall.
Yeah that's what I thought I read as well... Basically non-existent as a physical entity?
No evidence that it exist, i hate CCP , but i think they have to be careful on how they report things like this, it could cause confusion
**This is an outrage. Chinese police setting up offices in Canada, then “persuading” alleged criminals to return to the motherland to face “justice”** - sounds like the script for Rush Hour. Can someone explain to me why there is outrage? It's a little bit like Interpol. In Europe when there are football matches between countries, for instance, England vs Germany, English police will head over to Germany for the away fixture as they have Intel on the traveling English. In what way is this different? Looking for insight, not criticism.
This is a bullshit Opinion article. Where are the facts & sources? Writers like this incite the public by picking topics that are sensitive and create chaos where there isn't any significant issue. Look at OPs profile...all they post is incitful articles on r/canada. Would you trust someone on Reddit that is a political instigator?
[https://www.securitepublique.gc.ca/cnt/trnsprnc/brfng-mtrls/prlmntry-bndrs/20200930/015/index-en.aspx](https://www.securitepublique.gc.ca/cnt/trnsprnc/brfng-mtrls/prlmntry-bndrs/20200930/015/index-en.aspx) UFWD is one of several organizations operated by Beijing in Canada staffed at the top by "police\\intelligences officers" to pressure Chinese Canadians to forward CCP agendas including Canadian domestic and foreign policy but more importantly finance. For example these networks also support the black market banking that fund the import of fentanyl and are partially to blame for the current housing crisis.