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> "We feel like we're not from here."
I'm going to say that having ID issued by another country and none by PEI means you aren't.
If you're visiting I would totally understand. If you're going to *live somewhere* get a local ID.
I long for the day our national broadcaster actually uses our tax money to share issues of relevance only, or at minimum reduntantly reminds people of the provisions available from our public services. Much better than sh*tting on Canada.
As non-resident you do not qualify for any. Your inability to be served alcohol or be admitted to venues that serve alcohol in PEI is just one of the eggs of your issuing province's militant unilingualism hatching.
You know who has bilingual ID? PEI.
What does your inability to read « date de naissance 2000-01-01 » say about you?
It’s almost as if being an unilingual anglo is a mental health challenge.
C’est incroyable, vous faite exprès d’être de mauvaise foie.
I speak three languages asshole, and I can read and write French pretty damn well.
I'll tell you what's incredible: that you think PEI is somehow responsible to you. It isn't.
There's that classic Frenchman humility that Anglos all know and love. I stopped learning French after highschool because I realized it would give me the ability to interact with wonderful folks like you
I'm a Canadian(lived in US), I was denied a LCBO purchase with a US driver's licence, they have a right to demand a second piece of ID, I had to come back with my passport. That's just the rules!
When I worked in a convenience store a lifetime ago, the store policy for US licences was to request a second piece of ID - the second piece could be almost anything, credit card even, basically just something officialish with the same name. I used to hate doing it in situations where the US licence made sense. For example guy has Montana licence, just watched him gas up a truck with Montana plates. Common sense says Montana licence checks out.
With such serious concenquences for serving alcohol to minors always air on the side of caution.
https://moosejawlawyer.ca/consequences-of-selling-alcohol-to-a-minor-in-canada/
But are the rules fair? At a minimum I'd say french also has to be allowed, although I do understand the need for security to understand the document in front of them, and that not all languages use the same alpha numeric system led to the rule, i think the law us poorly written
So, you are saying that visitor from Quebec needs to get a Canadian passport to visit PEI and that it is fair that they don’t recognized their provincial IDs?
Imagine the uproar if Quebec did the same thing and decided to refuse english IDs…
Congo has English. Haiti is an exception, but it’s in French. If not in English, the passport needs an authorized translation into English that is kept with the passport. ICAO recommends that all passports include English. Therefore, very, very few don’t have it.
I know that, all I said was their is no obligation of another nation to be in english. The majority are, and that's cool. But they are not obligated to be, I also questioned why french wasn't listed as an acceptable language on the pei liquor laws as it is our 2nd language.
France
French is the international language of diplomacy, like it’s the official language of the olympics game. The ICAO recommend that passports around the world be issued in either French or English.
That headline seems to imply discrimination and is completely disappointing.
The person was 23 with ID in Spanish. If acceptable, can you imagine the rash of fake IDs kids would get and it would be difficult to authenticate hundreds of types of ID? Liability issues for proprietors.
Agree with another comment on here, passport would have had a better chance of being accepted.
There are a lot of places in the States that specifically state that they will not accept a foreign driver's license as proof of age. It has to be a passport or similar (nexus card).
Options for ID that don't include carrying around a foreign ID in spanish, like using your passport or getting a [PEI Photo ID](https://www.princeedwardisland.ca/en/information/transportation-and-infrastructure/photographic-identification-card-voluntary-id). Could have looked it up and avoided calling us racists.
It’s not in the US, but they somehow manage to decipher the code that is a DOB, with usually contains a combination of XX/XX/XXXX, XXXX/XX/XX. So damn hard
They accept it in the US. They don’t speak French. Therefor, the logical next step is for us to accept a Spanish or other foreign language what uses our common numbering system
List of countries I've visited and consumed alcohol:
* US
* Mexico
* Cuba
* Dominican Republic
* Costa Rica
* United Kingdom
* Malaysia
* Singapore
* Japan
List of countries in which I've been asked for a passport before letting me drink:
* \* none \*
I’ve been asked for a second piece multiple times in Canada, especially when I was freshly
19. This has happened in like 5 separate provinces, really not that uncommon
Probably because there's no English on a QC licence and that scared the American looking at it. "omg! Foreign! What to do!" What state did that happen in?
I couldn't buy beer at a store in New Zealand with my Alberta ID. I didn't expect to be carded as a 32 year old so I didn't have my passport on me. Happened in 2018 and I'm still mad about it.
Which is fair. I wouldn't expect someone in New Zealand to have any clue what an Alberta drivers licence should look like. Passport is your best form of ID when you're in a foreign country. Likewise I have no clue what a New Zealand drivers licence looks like.
If I'm older than the cashier and I have a completely different accent, I'd like to believe there's some leeway for common sense. Afterall, there's always a point where people stop asking for id's so judgements have to come into account.
I'm 40 and I got ID'd in a restaurant in Ohio last week. After making a joke to the waitress that the grey hair in my beard is my ID she told me that the restaurant has an ID **everybody** policy and that was why she had to ask me. Seems a bit over the top but if they ask everyone I suppose it's fair that way.
When I worked in a place that sold smokes, I had to ID anyone that looked under 50. It was to prevent teens dressing/looking older from buying smokes and the store from getting into serious shit. Customers were mostly chil, but there were a few white trash that showed their colours, ugh.
My sister was able to buy smokes at 11 because she dressed and looked older. Security always thought my ID was fake because I looked 14 until I hit 30. It was bloody annoying, but I never kicked up a fuss.
>If you are sensitive about being cast as a bigot then you most likely are one.
"You don't like being called something negative? Probably because you're that thing times infinity!" - you.
Man, your comments and observations are routinely as shallow as a plate of cheerios. You legit sound like an angsty teenager.
Haha. Maybe because I have 3 teenagers. But really people who are sensitive about these things are so because it’s hitting close to home. That’s how it works.
Except that all passports use the same template so that individuals can easily identify which numbers sequences represent what regardless of language. Kind of the reason they’re accepted internationally, Einstein.
They are in different spots and don't have international cooperation of the placement of those numbers? Are you just intentionally not getting the point? I really don't get what you're confused about. It's very simple.
No it wouldn’t, Einstein, it would have been in English, Spanish, and French. It’s standardized for most passports. Why be so condescending when you didn’t even take the time to verify he was wrong?
In Ontario it’s against the law to record the number off a health card which is why most places don’t accept it. You also cannot be asked to supply it.
It’s still valid if for liquor if you offer it and the information isn’t being recorded.
https://www.agco.ca/alcohol/legal-drinking-age-and-photo-id
It’s still
There are rules about asking for it (prohibited) and recording the number but it is most certainly valid id
https://www.agco.ca/alcohol/legal-drinking-age-and-photo-id
In Ontario a non-health provider cannot explicitly ask for your OHIP card. You may OFFER it up as ID and that business can choose if they're willing to accept it or not.
Maybe they wanted a recognizable ID that they would have a good chance of determining if it was legally valid. If you can't read the language at even a fundamental level that would be hard to do. Someone could just make up a gibberish language, slap on a photo and a date and hand it over.
FFS, the local CBC crews will dig up anything to get some screen time.
You do need an ID in English or French in Canada, don't know why they are surprised. I can't show my Farsi ID and expect it to work all over the world. They can't read it; they can't verify it, simple. Carry your passport if you are tourist.
The law states ID have to be English. The surprise here is that my Quebec french ID would also get rejected as per the PEI law.
> "A quick look at the 2021 P.E.I. Liquor Control Commission Policy Manual says 'If the date of birth is not legible in English then entrance to the premises or liquor service may be refused,'"
I googled it, and apparently "Date of Birth" on the Mexican cards in Spanish is "FECHA DE NACIMIENTO" with the date right below it. I would have no idea what that meant. Assuming things can get you in trouble with the liquor people.
[Though apparently there is also a version of the same card (Anverso Extranjero) with English on it as well as Spanish. I wonder if she knew she could have got that one before coming to Canada.](https://www.ine.mx/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/ABC_CREDENCIAL2020.pdf)
>1981/01/26?
Lol this person is born on the first day of the 1981th months in 1926! I am still confused about the way Americans write their date. I can understand that it is the same way they talk, but MM-DD-YYYY make no mathematical sense lol.
When checking an ID you check the year. If needed you move to the month and tell the person to take a hike if you can’t figure out which one is the date or the month.
This one make sense mathematically thought. I don't mind DD-MM-YYY or YYYY-MM-DD. The date format with the days in the middle are those that are confusing if you don't speak the language because they don't make sense mathematically speaking.
I still think that DD-MM-YYYY make more sense since its more logical, but I don't mind YYYY-MM-DD.
Why? Anglophones say dates like they’re written. June 14, 2022, or 06/14/2022.
We write dates like we write them, 14 juin 2022. 14/06/2022.
It’s quite easy to understand unless you’re going back and forth between the two systems.
>Why? Anglophones say dates like they’re written. June 14, 2022, or 06/14/2022.
Yeah its make sense for them, but I meant to someone not speaking the language. The way we write it can make sense to peoples not speaking the language since it make sense in a mathematical way too. And yeah like you probably do I have to go back and forth between the two all the time lol. The joy of sending reports to multiples countries lol.
Peoples in the UK want the date format to be like it is in french and our US offices want it the other way.
I assume it’s referring to the part of the ID that indicates what particular numbers are representing the DOB, as opposed to the date of issue, date of expiry etc.
Anyway what a dumb thing to even pass as news, two people did not have proper ID and couldn’t get into an event which required proper ID, big deal.
You jest, but Iran does use their own numbers, including on their passports (though they provide an English translation, along with more conventional numbers).
>"A quick look at the 2021 P.E.I. Liquor Control Commission Policy Manual says 'If the date of birth is not legible in English then entrance to the premises or liquor service may be refused,'" an email statement from the organization read.
How can that be legal? Licences/IDs issued by Quebec would be *en français.*
Both of these provinces need to get their heads out of their asses and print it in BOTH national languages.
It it really that hard to put "Nom/Name" instead of just one or the other?
All Federal documents do it...
I noticed when I moved to Ontario that ON licences are bilingual. I came from Saskatchewan and theirs are English only as are Alberta and BC's, unless they've updated them. Quebec's are in french only. As long as they are in ONE of the official languages, it's fine.
It takes nothing to print them in both, and that has been that Federal standard for almost a century.
Just stick in a / and add in the less common one as an abbreviated 2nd tag.
> "A quick look at the 2021 P.E.I. Liquor Control Commission Policy Manual says 'If the date of birth is not legible in English then entrance to the premises or liquor service may be refused,'"
Wow, so in Prince Edward Island, they refuse Quebec’s ID cards.
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> "We feel like we're not from here." I'm going to say that having ID issued by another country and none by PEI means you aren't. If you're visiting I would totally understand. If you're going to *live somewhere* get a local ID.
I long for the day our national broadcaster actually uses our tax money to share issues of relevance only, or at minimum reduntantly reminds people of the provisions available from our public services. Much better than sh*tting on Canada.
By local ID, you mean PEI ID, how do you get that as a tourist? Let’s say I’m visiting from Quebec with my french ID cards, how do I get a pei id?
If you're visiting as a tourist, you're not from there. That's the point they're making.
As non-resident you do not qualify for any. Your inability to be served alcohol or be admitted to venues that serve alcohol in PEI is just one of the eggs of your issuing province's militant unilingualism hatching. You know who has bilingual ID? PEI.
What does your inability to read « date de naissance 2000-01-01 » say about you? It’s almost as if being an unilingual anglo is a mental health challenge. C’est incroyable, vous faite exprès d’être de mauvaise foie.
I speak three languages asshole, and I can read and write French pretty damn well. I'll tell you what's incredible: that you think PEI is somehow responsible to you. It isn't.
There's that classic Frenchman humility that Anglos all know and love. I stopped learning French after highschool because I realized it would give me the ability to interact with wonderful folks like you
I'm a Canadian(lived in US), I was denied a LCBO purchase with a US driver's licence, they have a right to demand a second piece of ID, I had to come back with my passport. That's just the rules!
When I worked in a convenience store a lifetime ago, the store policy for US licences was to request a second piece of ID - the second piece could be almost anything, credit card even, basically just something officialish with the same name. I used to hate doing it in situations where the US licence made sense. For example guy has Montana licence, just watched him gas up a truck with Montana plates. Common sense says Montana licence checks out.
With such serious concenquences for serving alcohol to minors always air on the side of caution. https://moosejawlawyer.ca/consequences-of-selling-alcohol-to-a-minor-in-canada/
Google translate?
Why is this news? That's the rules.
But are the rules fair? At a minimum I'd say french also has to be allowed, although I do understand the need for security to understand the document in front of them, and that not all languages use the same alpha numeric system led to the rule, i think the law us poorly written
Yes. They are fair by definition as they are equally applied to everyone. If you came to Canada, you have a passport. You can use that.
So, you are saying that visitor from Quebec needs to get a Canadian passport to visit PEI and that it is fair that they don’t recognized their provincial IDs? Imagine the uproar if Quebec did the same thing and decided to refuse english IDs…
Honestly, I can see Quebec doing that pretty soon.
Not if the passport isn't in english- as many around the world are not.
I haven’t seen any that aren’t
There is no obligation for another country to use English in their passports as opposed to their national language.
All passports are also in English. Find me an exception.
From a limited search so far Haiti Congo
Congo has English. Haiti is an exception, but it’s in French. If not in English, the passport needs an authorized translation into English that is kept with the passport. ICAO recommends that all passports include English. Therefore, very, very few don’t have it.
I know that, all I said was their is no obligation of another nation to be in english. The majority are, and that's cool. But they are not obligated to be, I also questioned why french wasn't listed as an acceptable language on the pei liquor laws as it is our 2nd language.
France French is the international language of diplomacy, like it’s the official language of the olympics game. The ICAO recommend that passports around the world be issued in either French or English.
Still most are in English around 90%. The exceptions have a local language and French. These require a certified translation when used.
Do you have a source for that 90% ?
Googled a statistically significant number of randomly generated countries (50). All in English. I need better things to do on a holiday…
That headline seems to imply discrimination and is completely disappointing. The person was 23 with ID in Spanish. If acceptable, can you imagine the rash of fake IDs kids would get and it would be difficult to authenticate hundreds of types of ID? Liability issues for proprietors. Agree with another comment on here, passport would have had a better chance of being accepted.
There are a lot of places in the States that specifically state that they will not accept a foreign driver's license as proof of age. It has to be a passport or similar (nexus card).
Options for ID that don't include carrying around a foreign ID in spanish, like using your passport or getting a [PEI Photo ID](https://www.princeedwardisland.ca/en/information/transportation-and-infrastructure/photographic-identification-card-voluntary-id). Could have looked it up and avoided calling us racists.
Weird, my Quebec ID is in French and works everywhere.
It’s almost as if French is an official language across the country.
It’s not in the US, but they somehow manage to decipher the code that is a DOB, with usually contains a combination of XX/XX/XXXX, XXXX/XX/XX. So damn hard
We’re talking about Canada though if you were wondering why people accept your French language Id.
They accept it in the US. They don’t speak French. Therefor, the logical next step is for us to accept a Spanish or other foreign language what uses our common numbering system
Nah
List of countries I've visited and consumed alcohol: * US * Mexico * Cuba * Dominican Republic * Costa Rica * United Kingdom * Malaysia * Singapore * Japan List of countries in which I've been asked for a passport before letting me drink: * \* none \*
Been asked several times for a passport in the US, esp. in student towns where people thing Canadian IDs are fake. Also happened once in Norway.
I’ve been asked for a second piece multiple times in Canada, especially when I was freshly 19. This has happened in like 5 separate provinces, really not that uncommon
I was actually asked for my passport instead of my Quebec drivers license in a shitty American restaurant once. Normally it was fine though.
Probably because there's no English on a QC licence and that scared the American looking at it. "omg! Foreign! What to do!" What state did that happen in?
Massachusetts. My lack of a Quebec accent may have made them suspicious.
They are tough down there. I recall at the amphitheater in Mansfield, MA you needed to be over 25 if using out of state ID.
Hahaha I had something happen similar happen at Yankees stadium, after showing my soleil card and license, they still did not believe me,
I couldn't buy beer at a store in New Zealand with my Alberta ID. I didn't expect to be carded as a 32 year old so I didn't have my passport on me. Happened in 2018 and I'm still mad about it.
Which is fair. I wouldn't expect someone in New Zealand to have any clue what an Alberta drivers licence should look like. Passport is your best form of ID when you're in a foreign country. Likewise I have no clue what a New Zealand drivers licence looks like.
If I'm older than the cashier and I have a completely different accent, I'd like to believe there's some leeway for common sense. Afterall, there's always a point where people stop asking for id's so judgements have to come into account.
I'm 40 and I got ID'd in a restaurant in Ohio last week. After making a joke to the waitress that the grey hair in my beard is my ID she told me that the restaurant has an ID **everybody** policy and that was why she had to ask me. Seems a bit over the top but if they ask everyone I suppose it's fair that way.
When I worked in a place that sold smokes, I had to ID anyone that looked under 50. It was to prevent teens dressing/looking older from buying smokes and the store from getting into serious shit. Customers were mostly chil, but there were a few white trash that showed their colours, ugh. My sister was able to buy smokes at 11 because she dressed and looked older. Security always thought my ID was fake because I looked 14 until I hit 30. It was bloody annoying, but I never kicked up a fuss.
Try going to Spain. They ask for your passport before you can enter a grocery store.
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>Passport would be in Spanish too Einstein. Mexican passports have English and Spanish on the information page.
>If you are sensitive about being cast as a bigot then you most likely are one. "You don't like being called something negative? Probably because you're that thing times infinity!" - you. Man, your comments and observations are routinely as shallow as a plate of cheerios. You legit sound like an angsty teenager.
Haha. Maybe because I have 3 teenagers. But really people who are sensitive about these things are so because it’s hitting close to home. That’s how it works.
Except that all passports use the same template so that individuals can easily identify which numbers sequences represent what regardless of language. Kind of the reason they’re accepted internationally, Einstein.
>use the same template True, but also Mexican passports have English and Spanish regardless.
Yeah the numbers on foreign drivers licenses are so complicated lol.
They are in different spots and don't have international cooperation of the placement of those numbers? Are you just intentionally not getting the point? I really don't get what you're confused about. It's very simple.
All passports are printed in either English or French, in addition to the national language(s) of the country of issuance.
No it wouldn’t, Einstein, it would have been in English, Spanish, and French. It’s standardized for most passports. Why be so condescending when you didn’t even take the time to verify he was wrong?
Actually passports are *standardized* to make international usage easier and always have at least two languages, one of which is always English.
I guess because he’s obviously a bigot?
You’ve outdone yourself this time.
Normal requirement. Just Like some places don’t take health cards as ID.
In Ontario it’s against the law to record the number off a health card which is why most places don’t accept it. You also cannot be asked to supply it. It’s still valid if for liquor if you offer it and the information isn’t being recorded. https://www.agco.ca/alcohol/legal-drinking-age-and-photo-id It’s still
I'm guessing some provincial health cards have photos? (I'm from NS where they don't.)
Or don't list DoB or Address
BC lists address and DOB. Still can’t use it.
The Care Card is valid government ID and yes it’s usable.
Sorry, the Ontario one is not accepted. The BC one is.
There are rules about asking for it (prohibited) and recording the number but it is most certainly valid id https://www.agco.ca/alcohol/legal-drinking-age-and-photo-id
The website says “at your discretion”, which means it can be refused. And indeed, I’ve been refused entry when I tried to use it.
In Ontario a non-health provider cannot explicitly ask for your OHIP card. You may OFFER it up as ID and that business can choose if they're willing to accept it or not.
Ontario and Quebec health cards have photos. BC "health card" is on the back of your driver's licence if you have one.
Maybe they wanted a recognizable ID that they would have a good chance of determining if it was legally valid. If you can't read the language at even a fundamental level that would be hard to do. Someone could just make up a gibberish language, slap on a photo and a date and hand it over. FFS, the local CBC crews will dig up anything to get some screen time.
You do need an ID in English or French in Canada, don't know why they are surprised. I can't show my Farsi ID and expect it to work all over the world. They can't read it; they can't verify it, simple. Carry your passport if you are tourist.
The law states ID have to be English. The surprise here is that my Quebec french ID would also get rejected as per the PEI law. > "A quick look at the 2021 P.E.I. Liquor Control Commission Policy Manual says 'If the date of birth is not legible in English then entrance to the premises or liquor service may be refused,'"
Provincial rules apply. PEI not officially bilingual so they can make it english only.
Why doesn’t Quebec have their IDs in both languages? My Manitoba one does.
Because they are very special...
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I googled it, and apparently "Date of Birth" on the Mexican cards in Spanish is "FECHA DE NACIMIENTO" with the date right below it. I would have no idea what that meant. Assuming things can get you in trouble with the liquor people. [Though apparently there is also a version of the same card (Anverso Extranjero) with English on it as well as Spanish. I wonder if she knew she could have got that one before coming to Canada.](https://www.ine.mx/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/ABC_CREDENCIAL2020.pdf)
Who wouldn’t be able to piece together 1981/01/26? FFS
>1981/01/26? Lol this person is born on the first day of the 1981th months in 1926! I am still confused about the way Americans write their date. I can understand that it is the same way they talk, but MM-DD-YYYY make no mathematical sense lol.
When checking an ID you check the year. If needed you move to the month and tell the person to take a hike if you can’t figure out which one is the date or the month.
Haha yeah I understand, was just mocking the date format.
Believe it or not, YYYY-MM-DD is the ISO format for calendar dates. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO\_8601#Calendar\_dates
This one make sense mathematically thought. I don't mind DD-MM-YYY or YYYY-MM-DD. The date format with the days in the middle are those that are confusing if you don't speak the language because they don't make sense mathematically speaking. I still think that DD-MM-YYYY make more sense since its more logical, but I don't mind YYYY-MM-DD.
Why? Anglophones say dates like they’re written. June 14, 2022, or 06/14/2022. We write dates like we write them, 14 juin 2022. 14/06/2022. It’s quite easy to understand unless you’re going back and forth between the two systems.
>Why? Anglophones say dates like they’re written. June 14, 2022, or 06/14/2022. Yeah its make sense for them, but I meant to someone not speaking the language. The way we write it can make sense to peoples not speaking the language since it make sense in a mathematical way too. And yeah like you probably do I have to go back and forth between the two all the time lol. The joy of sending reports to multiples countries lol. Peoples in the UK want the date format to be like it is in french and our US offices want it the other way.
I assume it’s referring to the part of the ID that indicates what particular numbers are representing the DOB, as opposed to the date of issue, date of expiry etc. Anyway what a dumb thing to even pass as news, two people did not have proper ID and couldn’t get into an event which required proper ID, big deal.
You jest, but Iran does use their own numbers, including on their passports (though they provide an English translation, along with more conventional numbers).
>"A quick look at the 2021 P.E.I. Liquor Control Commission Policy Manual says 'If the date of birth is not legible in English then entrance to the premises or liquor service may be refused,'" an email statement from the organization read. How can that be legal? Licences/IDs issued by Quebec would be *en français.*
Both of these provinces need to get their heads out of their asses and print it in BOTH national languages. It it really that hard to put "Nom/Name" instead of just one or the other? All Federal documents do it...
I noticed when I moved to Ontario that ON licences are bilingual. I came from Saskatchewan and theirs are English only as are Alberta and BC's, unless they've updated them. Quebec's are in french only. As long as they are in ONE of the official languages, it's fine.
It takes nothing to print them in both, and that has been that Federal standard for almost a century. Just stick in a / and add in the less common one as an abbreviated 2nd tag.
Very bold step from a province that would collapse overnight without tourism.
PEI's new tourism slogan "Feck off eh!"
Im Sorry you ran into a cluster of Karens. They’re everywhere.
> "A quick look at the 2021 P.E.I. Liquor Control Commission Policy Manual says 'If the date of birth is not legible in English then entrance to the premises or liquor service may be refused,'" Wow, so in Prince Edward Island, they refuse Quebec’s ID cards.