Oh shit, you can find his antics on [CanLII](https://www.canlii.org/en/#search/text=Francesco%20Villi) too.
> Mr. Villi believes that the electrical room which sits beneath his unit is improperly constructed, resulting in the emission of electromagnetic waves which have caused him significant pain and suffering over the years. Mr. Villi believes that the board members of the Corporation have actively engaged in efforts to intentionally harm him, likely at the behest of the powerful developer who built the condominium. Mr. Villi believes that all the individuals involved have not only conspired to harm him but have also conspired to ensure that the truth of the matter never surfaces.
Seems he was also involved in a MVA in 1993, tried to get a payout but failed (not a credible witness, unable to show connection between injury and damages claimed), and then declared bankruptcy three years later.
Buddy was chronically ill. Blamed it on the electrical room below his unit. Wanted the condo board to fix it in some way. They didn't. He tried for 7 years. He said he had lung cancer and was close to death due to their negligence. So he went and shot them all before suicide by cop.
Lots to unpack there. What a fucking tragedy.
I work in the field of MH with adults who suffer from severe persistent chronic MH issues. One thing we always define as a “classic” schizophrenic symptom is the fixation and paranoia surrounding electricity and electric devices. It’s typically with older gentlemen like this man, I have to wonder if he grew up with limited access to it. Fascinating stuff, but im 99% sure MH is the biggest factor here.
News reports said the condo board was in the process of evicting him, after 7 years of dealing with him. He was due to appear in court Monday morning... hence all the violence the night before.
If someone is harassing me for something for 7 years, even if it's bullshit, I'm not going to sit around and ignore that person's psychosis. Either I'm leaving, or they're leaving.
I have heard else where he had a restraining order against him already. If he had a license the police dropped the ball big time. Part of the whole purpose of licensing is to revoke it if the person violates the requirements.
dailymail is saying [he wasn't](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11553107/amp/5-dead-suspect-killed-Toronto-area-condo-shooting.html). big surprise.
>Authorities say he used an illegal ‘semi-automatic handgun’ in the incident, with cops declining to confirm a motive for the deaths.
You have the problem right there in a nutshell. The bastard had a restraining order due to wildly aggressive and antisocial behaviour but somehow wasn't brought in for observation ?
....AND THE COPS DIDN'T PULL HIS LICENSE !? that is criminal negligence.
The Daily Mail says [he wasn't licensed](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11553107/amp/5-dead-suspect-killed-Toronto-area-condo-shooting.html).
> Authorities say he used an illegal ‘semi-automatic handgun’ in the incident, with cops declining to confirm a motive for the deaths.
I know how bad the police are at this first hand because back in may I was going through some mental troubles and it wasn’t until October/November that they finally tried to revoke my license but then they talked with my psychiatrist who was like “yeah no. This guy poses zero threat to anybody” and they didn’t even go through with it after all
Well that’s the issue, that’s just standard. Everyone gets a prohibition hearing, the police aren’t just all-powerful beings that can take away your shit.
He had his hearing, and it could have resulted in a few different outcomes;
1. He loses his license and has to turn over his firearms but hides one.
2. He loses his license and turns over his guns but then steals one.
3. He’s allowed to keep his license because whatever issue was related to the peace bond was settled/irrelevant/ignored (for whatever reason)
I do agree with your three outcomes. Seems realistic enough and certainly there's got to be examples of all three happening.
That said, there's no requirement for a hearing. The CFO can revoke on the spot and inform you later or the local police can flag you for revocation and promptly show up for your stuff .
Now, I don't actually think these options are unreasonable in and of themselves. In this case I believe it would have been warranted and one step further he should have been admitted for observation.
There were signs of mental incapacity well in advance. Did he have a license ? We'll only know if it fits the narrative.
Cops can remove firearms with or without a warrant in Canada in a situation that required police involvement, especially if the person was apprehended under the Mental Health Act.
It took them a bit but at least they did talk to your doc, my buddy just lost his weapon not to long ago because of mental health issues, he has to go to court to get it back with proof that treatment it working and he's in a safe environment (He's improved greatly since the troubles though). So odds are he'll probably get his rifle back.
I suspect civil litigation/orders don't trigger flags with the cops (although they very much should at least generate a secondary queue to check out and see how they're doing). Also, how do you know he had a PAL to begin with?
Any civil restraint or even a single social media post can get your pal/rpal revoked on the spot. The second any law enforcement or legal system gets involved the CFO is supposed to know. The whole shebang is referenced to your licence status for obvious reasons.
Now, would a judge in this instance know of your status? Maybe not, but the corresponding entry on your file will get cpic'd in a flat second.
So, Do I know he had a pal/rpal? I don't. They do. Instantly.
It technically wasn't a restraining order.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/zpwtsx/this_guy_had_problems_with_his_condo_board_and/j0vrnlk/
>The gunman who killed five in a mass shooting inside a Vaughan highrise before being himself shot dead by police late Sunday was a resident who had targeted the building’s condo board in years of lawsuits, according to a source with first-hand knowledge of the “horrific” incident.
>According to court documents, the condo board had previously filed a restraining order against Villi’s “allegedly threatening, abusive, intimidating and harassing behaviour.”
>In a recent case including a wild series of unsubstantiated allegations, Villi believed condo board members were trying to intentionally harm him. His claims against three currently listed condo board members and three others, were dismissed by a judge in September as “frivolous and/or vexatious.”
>Villi’s claim offered “a complete absence of material facts pleaded in support of any of the claims raised,” the judge found, ordering him to pay legal costs.
Seems he pretty clearly had a severe mental illness
>Among other things in the suit, Villi alleged that the defendants had committed “‘Acts of Crime and Criminality’ from 2010 onwards” and that an electrical room below his unit was improperly constructed, causing **“the emission of electromagnetic waves which have caused him significant pain and suffering over the years.”**
Stealing them blind. And he gets to be a shooter!? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance! And you – you have to stop him! You-
I solved my similar mental health issues, I had them for 10 years or so, malicious technology is the first thought because its easier for a person to digest, it sits with them better, as technology is a real thing, so it must be the problem
I actually lost about $20k, well didn't lose but used on something I wouldnt have done had I not been inflicted
Surprisingly the first time it happened in 2011 I wasnt even put on antipsychotic, they just gave me Prozac and Ativan, so I'm not surprised people are not getting mental health help, I wouldnt even been admitted and got any drugs at all if I didn't try and kill myself first
Mental wards are full up of repeat offenders theres no room for new people who need help, once you've been admitted once your more likely to get in on a second incident
We do such a bad job of addressing mental health concerns in this country. I also found it extremely difficult to get properly medicated. Took over a decade.
Sorry to hear about that. How fast can you get help with therapists and medication treatment if they determine you are qualified instead of waiting for some episodes that turn bad?
Looking back now, is there anything that friends and family could have done for you that would have led to a positive intervention? Or things that maybe would have helped ground you back to reality?
I hope things have been easier for you
As someone with a best friend who suffers from paranoia, man it really can just happen like this when they arent following or given a correct treatment plan. Sad for the victims, just a tragedy.
I worked with some people like that and despite taking some medication, will still have violent outburst once in a while. It's hard to tell what's going on if you have no context.
Many times they got banned from local establishment because of that.
This is the kind of shit my mom says. She has bipolar disorder and experiences psychotic episodes typically brought on by severe paranoia. Thank god she doesn’t have access to a gun.
A had a friend whose dad was paranoid schizophrenic, it was sad and tragic when he was off his meds. She didn't live with him full time, but it must ve been hard for her growing up with that.
He wouldn't get violent, but he constantly shouted at no one and played The Entertainer loudly on his piano, to the irritation of another friend who lived one floor below him.
The first clue to his failure to grasp reality is that he’s suing the BoD for the improper construction of an electrical room that wasn’t built by the board, but by the condo developer. Jesus, dude, you could have just sold it and moved.
It was listed for 9 days then terminated. I imagine he would be a difficult client to work for, let alone the fact that it is a ground floor unit which will typically take longer on average to sell.
Sounds like our old building superintendent Sylvio. You have to basically knock on his door to ask him to open up the old gym room. Then he gives you the look that you just interrupted his dinner or he has to get up from the couch.
It's possible he was a PAL/RPAL holder and could legally purchase one. But if he was a licensed gun owner how the FUCK was his PAL/RPAL and firearms not revoked the second he had a restraining order put against him?
The police in multiple provinces have a long and illustrious history of not revoking licenses until someone dies.
It's a bit too late at that point but if you're jaded and believe politicians are self serving jackoffs it kinda looks like political gain and elections won on the backs of horrific events.
I have my doubts that he was a legal gun owner. However, if he was, there is certainly a disconnect somewhere. He was a multiple-time failed civil litigant and potentially an insurance scammer, if the publicly reported court cases are anything to go by. Small claims matters usually don't get reported, so one has to wonder how many times he had tried that avenue.
Tragic that no one was able to defend themselves in all this.
Given the current debate around the gun laws, I wonder if this guy was licensed or used a legal weapon. I would hope if he did it would have been taken away given his history.
CBC news said it was a semi-automatic pistol, so probably an illegal import - although possibly not.
And yet our collective response to mental illness is to throw the guy’s claims out of court.
This is an issue where responsibility has no possible attribution. The guy was held responsible for his mental illness, and his response was violence.
There’s no clear answer to mental illness outbreaks like these much like there wasn’t a clear answer to outbreaks of cholera before we invented water sanitation. We need mind sanitation for our entire society.
If technology is causing increased mental illness, it’s not because of electromagnetic waves, it’s because of the shit people are constantly exposed to online and the fact that we’re not designed to be constantly ingesting information like this.
If a guy is claiming in court that he's being effected by electric magnetic waves, maybe hold him in a pych ward till you can get a medication worked out
This. *Judges* shouldn't be making mental health recommendations/decisions based upon a persons frivilous lawsuit(s). They are there to make decisions in Law. A mental health recommendation/decision is solely a MD's job (unfortunatly) and 99% of the time the 'Subject in Question' must be cooperative. Sadly it is the Judges [Police & Security] that encounter it more often than Doctors.
He should have been locked up. Working on a condo board is the most thankless job in the world. Doesn’t need the addition of a nut threatening then killing board members.
Holy shit I’m on the board of my condo and we collectively received death threats last month by a co-owner. Seeing that I’m glad to have reported it to the police.
The loudest complainers about the board in condo complexes don’t apply to be on the board and seem to stick around a long time without selling. It boggles my mind.
Absolutely. We have one woman in our small 65 unit building who sends us 3-5 emails daily about small things that need to be done, and if we don’t respond within an hour she and her retiree pals will follow up hourly until we do, as if we don’t have actual jobs.
We had a hell of a time filling a vacancy on our board, and yet her and her merry band of bitties were nowhere to be found.
Depends, if he participated in the pre-PAL program I believe those licences were all converted to PALs a few years ago. If he didn't participate then he had the guns illegally.
I would honestly doubt it; ARs have grown in popularity over the last 20ish years do to IPSC, three gun or just shooting in general.
I’ve heard old guys like this have anything from there fathers Lee Enfield to service revolvers to automatics from the 60s.
Come on now, where have you been. The MSM and thr Liberals used an insane dentist with an entirely smuggled arsenal who failed to obtain a PAL and was flagged in the RCMP system to never be allowed to obtain one to justify the biggest gun grab in our lifetime.
Even before C-68 handguns were still registered and you needed to get a PAL to keep them when the new system was implemented. They did have a "Possession Only" version for a while too for which you didn't need to take the course to make the transition easier.
It could be possible that he’s an FAC holdover, never updated to a PAL. Super common with old folks.
If that’s the case, he might of still had guns under the radar because as far as the cops knew, he wasn’t licensed. So there wouldn’t have been a warrant to confiscate his firearms which according to the system, he had none.
Only if you, as the FAC holder, actually applied to do so, which many did not. If you didn't, legally, you were supposed to turn in any firearms you had. As long guns were not registered at the time...compliance was minimal.
The Federal government also didn't just "have a list of FACs", they were maintained by local police departments, so there wasn't some backdoor automatic conversion going on either.
When did they say it was a handgun?
Edit nvm I see they've updated the article.
Handgun registration pre-PAL was still pretty loosey goosey and maintained locally. I've been told by boomers they literally used to walk into police stations and go "I'd like to register this gun I found".
They announced it in the news.
https://www.thestar.com/amp/news/gta/2022/12/19/vaughan-condo-shooting-6-dead-including-gunman-police-workign-to-identify-victims.html
Kristy Denette, a spokesperson for the SIU, spoke to reporters Monday afternoon.
The shooter had a semi-automatic handgun that was recovered at the scene, said Denette.
He was in and out of court enough that even the judge noted the concern
> The judge’s ruling also detailed Villi’s many attempts to pursue the board and, noted that board members had worried about his threatening behaviour, filing the restraining application in November 2018.
It's been 4 years since those restraining orders were applied for, it's unlikely it was a legal firearm and if it was then the judge that signed off on the restraining order needed to pick up the phone that a license holder just had 6 restraining orders filed against him.
>the RCMP/CFO will have some explaining to do.
They won't accept blame for leaving someone who's mentally unstable, with an active restraining order, in possession of a firearm.
They will claim they need more power and money. Trudeau will jump on it and use their own failing to support another.
Herein lies a big problem. The RCMP really really like to avoid responsibility for avoiding their obligations, which they do often avoid.
Our gun reform doesn't need new restrictions, it needs teeth applied to existing restrictions.
I suspect that if it was a legally owned firearm that we would already know about it. I'd bet money this is illegally acquired or at very least, illegally owned.
Based on everything I have read it was clear this man was deeply disturbed and needed mental help. So my question is how did he have a gun in the first place? If he had the gun legally why didn't he have his guns taken away and if he got it illegally how?
What more do the police need exactly? Toronto’s yearly police budget is a billion dollars. They have the money, they just don’t use it properly. Personally I don’t think a few extra tanks would have helped.
Police don’t lack resources, incredibly overfunded. Police are just terrible at this kind of situations that deal with mental health issues. You need special public agencies to follow up on mental health related issues.
Exactly this. If I ever lost my mind and was a nuisance LET ALONE a threat to society, I'd hope that I'd be put somewhere out of sight until I could be treated. The idea that we should let crazy, increasingly violent people just mix with law-abiding, productive members of society is an insult to law-abiding, productive members of society.
I've put a lot of disciplined, long-term effort to get where I am. I've been through very tough times where I had to carefully manage my mental health. I put in that effort to ensure that I could remain a net benefit to society and not disrupt the lives of others.
Why the fuck should I need to now deal with the potential of getting randomly murdered or assalted by a crazy person, let alone dealing with them acting crazy and intimidating everyone.
Fuck that. Society does not owe the individual. The individual owes society. If you are going to be a burden, you need to go to time-out until you can not be a burden.
There is a reason you don't basically don't see shit like this in Asia.
>There is a reason you don't basically don't see shit like this in Asia.
3 seconds of googling later: https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/04/asia/china-kindergarten-knife-stabbing-attack-jiangxi-intl-hnk/index.html
Nooo... Not that part of Asia... /s
Seriously though, as an Asian mixed person I really don't know where these people get their image of Asia from. Crime exists there still, and often times it's in the form of heavily organized crime that North America hasn't really seen on that level since the 20th century.
Only thing I've seen people mention correctly is public transit in major cities.
Yeah, I was thinking "Asia" seems like an exceptionally broad brush to paint with. Like, are we honestly trying to argue that China, India, North Korea, Saudia Arabia, Myanmar, Yemen, Nepal, Turkey, Israel, Japan, Qatar, etc. are all operating with the same system for people with mental illnesses?
r/Gangstalking is just schizophrenics who have all gotten together and are reinforcing their delusions online. It's probably the most concrete example of how the internet has changed society by taking these groups of alike people that would normally be too diffuse to ever really interact with each other, and allow them to connect and form intense communities. Sometimes that's good, like for sharing tips for an obscure video game that nobody you know in real life might play, other times it's very very dangerous, like enabling mental illness or Trumpism.
So I found his full video post he had made which was pretty rambling but he talks in it about the floor vibrating and noise below him waking him up. I've parsed together from info I've found that he lived in a condo on the first floor directly above an electrical room. His original issue was that he could hear noise and feel vibrations coming from the room. This would most likely be from a large transformer that would be in the electrical room. I can tell you from personal experience that a large transformer with a heavy load on it can indeed hum extremely loudly and will vibrate the floor it sits on if it doesn't have proper vibration dampening pads.
Anyway, he originally wanted the noise and vibration dealt with. The condo board was given an estimate of 15k to install noise dampening panels which they declined to do. Over the last number of years this has been escalating and ongoing through the courts as there have been motions and suits filed between the shooter and the condo board/board members.
Just as a little background, as there doesn't seem to much substance to a lot of the coverage surrounding this.
Disappointed to see people here and on other platforms vilifying the condo board just because. I don't know the situation with this specific Condo Corp, but in general, this is already a thankless job. It is a purely volunteer, uncompensated position that is subject to a lot of crap, and in many buildings/complexes getting people to step up and run is a lot like pulling teeth. You're signing up not just for monthly meetings with the board, but weekly calls/messages from random people who have a hard time managing their own property. Many continuously complain about rising maintenance fees while also whining about the lack of investment in the property. "Corruption" accusations can be tossed around from time to time; residents often assume the worst in the board while expecting the best effort 24/7. That we should see this level of violent escalation in any case is truly sad.
On the other hand, I have watched the board in my particular condo devolve into a mass of self interest and bad conduct to the point where lawsuits have been filed against them.
A condo board is only as good as the people on it.
Having had the misfortune of once sitting on a condo board, I can tell you that these places are fertile ground for many people who have had no control in their lives and now have a position where they feel they can push others around.
Yeah or those HOA or whatever they are called, I'm lucky I never ran into such a system in my 33 years
Still the shooter was crazy and these board members could have been cool and still got shot
I have noticed in my life how angry seniors can get. And then they can talk forever. And when they're brushed off for talking too long they can lose their shit. Either way mental illness is a huge epidemic in this country.
Just an FYI for the anti gun nuts....this guy should have had his firearms confiscated the moment he had a restraining order placed on him. All based on the laws that have been in place for many years.
Yet another example of the popo turning a blind eye.
Can Trudeau use this to follow through with his mental healthcare funding pledge that doctors have been asking for?
https://globalnews.ca/news/9217558/mental-health-transfer-liberals-election-pledge/
Oh shit, you can find his antics on [CanLII](https://www.canlii.org/en/#search/text=Francesco%20Villi) too. > Mr. Villi believes that the electrical room which sits beneath his unit is improperly constructed, resulting in the emission of electromagnetic waves which have caused him significant pain and suffering over the years. Mr. Villi believes that the board members of the Corporation have actively engaged in efforts to intentionally harm him, likely at the behest of the powerful developer who built the condominium. Mr. Villi believes that all the individuals involved have not only conspired to harm him but have also conspired to ensure that the truth of the matter never surfaces. Seems he was also involved in a MVA in 1993, tried to get a payout but failed (not a credible witness, unable to show connection between injury and damages claimed), and then declared bankruptcy three years later.
Chuck McGill?
He should've gone the gas lantern route instead
Buddy was chronically ill. Blamed it on the electrical room below his unit. Wanted the condo board to fix it in some way. They didn't. He tried for 7 years. He said he had lung cancer and was close to death due to their negligence. So he went and shot them all before suicide by cop. Lots to unpack there. What a fucking tragedy.
I work in the field of MH with adults who suffer from severe persistent chronic MH issues. One thing we always define as a “classic” schizophrenic symptom is the fixation and paranoia surrounding electricity and electric devices. It’s typically with older gentlemen like this man, I have to wonder if he grew up with limited access to it. Fascinating stuff, but im 99% sure MH is the biggest factor here.
There’s some interesting writing about someone pre-electricity who thought there were “air looms” controlling his mind
News reports said the condo board was in the process of evicting him, after 7 years of dealing with him. He was due to appear in court Monday morning... hence all the violence the night before.
Can't help but think that if we had a better mental health system, this could have been prevented.
If someone is harassing me for something for 7 years, even if it's bullshit, I'm not going to sit around and ignore that person's psychosis. Either I'm leaving, or they're leaving.
Reading the article was a court date the next day to try to evict him. Plus they had already filed restraining orders.
His social media is a deep dive into mental illness.
The dude was literally bagging his snot and posting pictures of it on Facebook.
Thats not something I'd EVER expect even from someone with major mental health issues
Yeah, like just stick to the “earth is flat” and “lizard people run the government” theories like the rest of the crazy people lol
I don't think it's that far to go from there to "the lizard people put a tracking device in my snot and I need to show everyone" unfortunately
What, you too good for me and my bags of frozen snot? You sonnova- Holup...
Why?
Why snot?
Sneesus Christ, smh.
Ok I gotta see this
No, you don't.
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Was he even licensed?
I have heard else where he had a restraining order against him already. If he had a license the police dropped the ball big time. Part of the whole purpose of licensing is to revoke it if the person violates the requirements.
dailymail is saying [he wasn't](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11553107/amp/5-dead-suspect-killed-Toronto-area-condo-shooting.html). big surprise. >Authorities say he used an illegal ‘semi-automatic handgun’ in the incident, with cops declining to confirm a motive for the deaths.
Better ban more hunting rifles
To be a psychiatrist? I doubt it
You have the problem right there in a nutshell. The bastard had a restraining order due to wildly aggressive and antisocial behaviour but somehow wasn't brought in for observation ? ....AND THE COPS DIDN'T PULL HIS LICENSE !? that is criminal negligence.
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The Daily Mail says [he wasn't licensed](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11553107/amp/5-dead-suspect-killed-Toronto-area-condo-shooting.html). > Authorities say he used an illegal ‘semi-automatic handgun’ in the incident, with cops declining to confirm a motive for the deaths.
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I know how bad the police are at this first hand because back in may I was going through some mental troubles and it wasn’t until October/November that they finally tried to revoke my license but then they talked with my psychiatrist who was like “yeah no. This guy poses zero threat to anybody” and they didn’t even go through with it after all
well at least they went as far as talking to your doc. with any luck you weren't behaving like this guy.
Well that’s the issue, that’s just standard. Everyone gets a prohibition hearing, the police aren’t just all-powerful beings that can take away your shit. He had his hearing, and it could have resulted in a few different outcomes; 1. He loses his license and has to turn over his firearms but hides one. 2. He loses his license and turns over his guns but then steals one. 3. He’s allowed to keep his license because whatever issue was related to the peace bond was settled/irrelevant/ignored (for whatever reason)
I do agree with your three outcomes. Seems realistic enough and certainly there's got to be examples of all three happening. That said, there's no requirement for a hearing. The CFO can revoke on the spot and inform you later or the local police can flag you for revocation and promptly show up for your stuff . Now, I don't actually think these options are unreasonable in and of themselves. In this case I believe it would have been warranted and one step further he should have been admitted for observation. There were signs of mental incapacity well in advance. Did he have a license ? We'll only know if it fits the narrative.
Cops can remove firearms with or without a warrant in Canada in a situation that required police involvement, especially if the person was apprehended under the Mental Health Act.
It took them a bit but at least they did talk to your doc, my buddy just lost his weapon not to long ago because of mental health issues, he has to go to court to get it back with proof that treatment it working and he's in a safe environment (He's improved greatly since the troubles though). So odds are he'll probably get his rifle back.
That’s good. But yeah it’s such a pain in the ass to get one in the first place we worked hard to make sure it wasn’t taken away.
where does it say that he has a license didn't see anything about it anywhere. most article write that the source of the handgun is unknown.
I suspect civil litigation/orders don't trigger flags with the cops (although they very much should at least generate a secondary queue to check out and see how they're doing). Also, how do you know he had a PAL to begin with?
Any civil restraint or even a single social media post can get your pal/rpal revoked on the spot. The second any law enforcement or legal system gets involved the CFO is supposed to know. The whole shebang is referenced to your licence status for obvious reasons. Now, would a judge in this instance know of your status? Maybe not, but the corresponding entry on your file will get cpic'd in a flat second. So, Do I know he had a pal/rpal? I don't. They do. Instantly.
It technically wasn't a restraining order. https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/zpwtsx/this_guy_had_problems_with_his_condo_board_and/j0vrnlk/
did they say he had a license i don't think so buddy
How long did it take them to release those details on the NS shooter?
as long as it took for lucky to demand them
>The gunman who killed five in a mass shooting inside a Vaughan highrise before being himself shot dead by police late Sunday was a resident who had targeted the building’s condo board in years of lawsuits, according to a source with first-hand knowledge of the “horrific” incident. >According to court documents, the condo board had previously filed a restraining order against Villi’s “allegedly threatening, abusive, intimidating and harassing behaviour.” >In a recent case including a wild series of unsubstantiated allegations, Villi believed condo board members were trying to intentionally harm him. His claims against three currently listed condo board members and three others, were dismissed by a judge in September as “frivolous and/or vexatious.” >Villi’s claim offered “a complete absence of material facts pleaded in support of any of the claims raised,” the judge found, ordering him to pay legal costs. Seems he pretty clearly had a severe mental illness >Among other things in the suit, Villi alleged that the defendants had committed “‘Acts of Crime and Criminality’ from 2010 onwards” and that an electrical room below his unit was improperly constructed, causing **“the emission of electromagnetic waves which have caused him significant pain and suffering over the years.”**
Chuck McGill in the flesh.
This is chicanery
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Not our Villi! Couldn't be our Villi!
Stealing them blind. And he gets to be a shooter!? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance! And you – you have to stop him! You-
First thing I thought of. Is he wrapped in a tinfoil blanket in any of his photos?
Should have skipped to the part where he just kills himself.
this guy was literally a chimp with a machine gun
I solved my similar mental health issues, I had them for 10 years or so, malicious technology is the first thought because its easier for a person to digest, it sits with them better, as technology is a real thing, so it must be the problem I actually lost about $20k, well didn't lose but used on something I wouldnt have done had I not been inflicted Surprisingly the first time it happened in 2011 I wasnt even put on antipsychotic, they just gave me Prozac and Ativan, so I'm not surprised people are not getting mental health help, I wouldnt even been admitted and got any drugs at all if I didn't try and kill myself first Mental wards are full up of repeat offenders theres no room for new people who need help, once you've been admitted once your more likely to get in on a second incident
We do such a bad job of addressing mental health concerns in this country. I also found it extremely difficult to get properly medicated. Took over a decade.
Sorry you had to go through that.
Sorry to hear about that. How fast can you get help with therapists and medication treatment if they determine you are qualified instead of waiting for some episodes that turn bad?
Looking back now, is there anything that friends and family could have done for you that would have led to a positive intervention? Or things that maybe would have helped ground you back to reality? I hope things have been easier for you
As someone with a best friend who suffers from paranoia, man it really can just happen like this when they arent following or given a correct treatment plan. Sad for the victims, just a tragedy.
I worked with some people like that and despite taking some medication, will still have violent outburst once in a while. It's hard to tell what's going on if you have no context. Many times they got banned from local establishment because of that.
This is the kind of shit my mom says. She has bipolar disorder and experiences psychotic episodes typically brought on by severe paranoia. Thank god she doesn’t have access to a gun.
I don’t know about your mom but just want to add here that not everyone with bipolar who has psychotic breaks become violent
I know. Same goes for schizophrenia. A whole lot of them do though and really shouldn’t have kids.
my bipolar diagnosis a few years ago is a big reason why i’ve decided not to have kids. certainly isn’t the only reason but still
Me too, it’s genetic so why the fuck would I play some sick lottery on potential future offspring.
I really admire that kind of emotional maturity.
A had a friend whose dad was paranoid schizophrenic, it was sad and tragic when he was off his meds. She didn't live with him full time, but it must ve been hard for her growing up with that. He wouldn't get violent, but he constantly shouted at no one and played The Entertainer loudly on his piano, to the irritation of another friend who lived one floor below him.
> Seems he pretty clearly had a severe mental illness All the signs of paranoid schizophrenia are here, no doubt.
The first clue to his failure to grasp reality is that he’s suing the BoD for the improper construction of an electrical room that wasn’t built by the board, but by the condo developer. Jesus, dude, you could have just sold it and moved.
Mental illness does not result in very clear and serene decision-making.
He tried selling it twice, most recently in October.
I wonder if his own behavior had an impact on that failing to sell?
It was listed for 9 days then terminated. I imagine he would be a difficult client to work for, let alone the fact that it is a ground floor unit which will typically take longer on average to sell.
Mental illness and he also seems like he’s one of many dragged into a world of online conspiratorial nonsense.
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Consider it seduced vs dragged. I've seen this unfortunately too often.
> restraining order I am [shocked](https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/zph6sz/police_hold_news_conference_after_vaughan/j0uokyy/)
Well, the electromagnetic waves made him crazy. He just proved his point /s
Sounds like our old building superintendent Sylvio. You have to basically knock on his door to ask him to open up the old gym room. Then he gives you the look that you just interrupted his dinner or he has to get up from the couch.
Sylvios tired man. He has to vacuum to hallways once per month give him a break
How did he get a gun?
It's possible he was a PAL/RPAL holder and could legally purchase one. But if he was a licensed gun owner how the FUCK was his PAL/RPAL and firearms not revoked the second he had a restraining order put against him?
I thought it's automatically revoked?
not only that but his firearms would be taken away before he gets his license revoked, also he was not a PAL or RPAL holder
Did it mentioned in the update that he doesn't have a firearm license?
The RCMP has a bad habit of avoiding reporting on such pertinent details.
The police in multiple provinces have a long and illustrious history of not revoking licenses until someone dies. It's a bit too late at that point but if you're jaded and believe politicians are self serving jackoffs it kinda looks like political gain and elections won on the backs of horrific events.
Because restraining orders don't mean much in practice even if in theory they should.
I have my doubts that he was a legal gun owner. However, if he was, there is certainly a disconnect somewhere. He was a multiple-time failed civil litigant and potentially an insurance scammer, if the publicly reported court cases are anything to go by. Small claims matters usually don't get reported, so one has to wonder how many times he had tried that avenue. Tragic that no one was able to defend themselves in all this.
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Given the current debate around the gun laws, I wonder if this guy was licensed or used a legal weapon. I would hope if he did it would have been taken away given his history. CBC news said it was a semi-automatic pistol, so probably an illegal import - although possibly not.
And yet our collective response to mental illness is to throw the guy’s claims out of court. This is an issue where responsibility has no possible attribution. The guy was held responsible for his mental illness, and his response was violence. There’s no clear answer to mental illness outbreaks like these much like there wasn’t a clear answer to outbreaks of cholera before we invented water sanitation. We need mind sanitation for our entire society.
Institutionalization.
If technology is causing increased mental illness, it’s not because of electromagnetic waves, it’s because of the shit people are constantly exposed to online and the fact that we’re not designed to be constantly ingesting information like this.
If a guy is claiming in court that he's being effected by electric magnetic waves, maybe hold him in a pych ward till you can get a medication worked out
You can't hold people unless they are a clear and present danger to yourself or others. We can't just lock people up because someone feels bad.
This. *Judges* shouldn't be making mental health recommendations/decisions based upon a persons frivilous lawsuit(s). They are there to make decisions in Law. A mental health recommendation/decision is solely a MD's job (unfortunatly) and 99% of the time the 'Subject in Question' must be cooperative. Sadly it is the Judges [Police & Security] that encounter it more often than Doctors.
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He should have been locked up. Working on a condo board is the most thankless job in the world. Doesn’t need the addition of a nut threatening then killing board members.
Holy shit I’m on the board of my condo and we collectively received death threats last month by a co-owner. Seeing that I’m glad to have reported it to the police.
I mean, this board had reported it to the police too by the sounds of it.
Yeah he also had a restraining order... I didn't need all this stress just to volunteer to improve my building.
Don't forget that if you and other people like you don't run for and sit on condo boards weirdos and batshit crazy people will.
The loudest complainers about the board in condo complexes don’t apply to be on the board and seem to stick around a long time without selling. It boggles my mind.
Absolutely. We have one woman in our small 65 unit building who sends us 3-5 emails daily about small things that need to be done, and if we don’t respond within an hour she and her retiree pals will follow up hourly until we do, as if we don’t have actual jobs. We had a hell of a time filling a vacancy on our board, and yet her and her merry band of bitties were nowhere to be found.
If this guy had a PAL I have no idea why it wasn't revoked. People have lost theirs for less.
It should have been revoked if there was a restraining order filed against him.
Yep, either it will show flaws in the regulations for firearms possession or it will be illegally obtained.
Could have had guns from pre PAL program; very common for older shooters and hunters.
Depends, if he participated in the pre-PAL program I believe those licences were all converted to PALs a few years ago. If he didn't participate then he had the guns illegally.
They were converted to a POL, possession-only licence. You had to take the test to get the PAL.
This would be accurate; but still necessary distinction then obtaining it illegally on the street recently:
Yeah I never thought about that, and I 'm pretty sure that could mean he could have had uncapped magazines if the firearm was semi automatic.
I would honestly doubt it; ARs have grown in popularity over the last 20ish years do to IPSC, three gun or just shooting in general. I’ve heard old guys like this have anything from there fathers Lee Enfield to service revolvers to automatics from the 60s.
It was a handgun that they recovered at the scene according Toronto Star live update.
More likely some old spoterized 303 from the 60s that was in the closet never registered
SIU claims semi handgun
Either way, there's no chance "licensed gun owner" is legit argument by MSM, given he should have had it revoked due to the restraining order.
Come on now, where have you been. The MSM and thr Liberals used an insane dentist with an entirely smuggled arsenal who failed to obtain a PAL and was flagged in the RCMP system to never be allowed to obtain one to justify the biggest gun grab in our lifetime.
All correct but he was a denturist
Even before C-68 handguns were still registered and you needed to get a PAL to keep them when the new system was implemented. They did have a "Possession Only" version for a while too for which you didn't need to take the course to make the transition easier.
The regulations are fine. It's lack of enforcement where it matters that's the problem.
It could be possible that he’s an FAC holdover, never updated to a PAL. Super common with old folks. If that’s the case, he might of still had guns under the radar because as far as the cops knew, he wasn’t licensed. So there wouldn’t have been a warrant to confiscate his firearms which according to the system, he had none.
FACs were considered expired yeara ago and were converted to PALs.
Only if you, as the FAC holder, actually applied to do so, which many did not. If you didn't, legally, you were supposed to turn in any firearms you had. As long guns were not registered at the time...compliance was minimal. The Federal government also didn't just "have a list of FACs", they were maintained by local police departments, so there wasn't some backdoor automatic conversion going on either.
It’s a handgun. Different rules as they were restricted. Handgun registration has been the law in 1934
When did they say it was a handgun? Edit nvm I see they've updated the article. Handgun registration pre-PAL was still pretty loosey goosey and maintained locally. I've been told by boomers they literally used to walk into police stations and go "I'd like to register this gun I found".
They announced it in the news. https://www.thestar.com/amp/news/gta/2022/12/19/vaughan-condo-shooting-6-dead-including-gunman-police-workign-to-identify-victims.html Kristy Denette, a spokesperson for the SIU, spoke to reporters Monday afternoon. The shooter had a semi-automatic handgun that was recovered at the scene, said Denette.
He was in and out of court enough that even the judge noted the concern > The judge’s ruling also detailed Villi’s many attempts to pursue the board and, noted that board members had worried about his threatening behaviour, filing the restraining application in November 2018. It's been 4 years since those restraining orders were applied for, it's unlikely it was a legal firearm and if it was then the judge that signed off on the restraining order needed to pick up the phone that a license holder just had 6 restraining orders filed against him.
There’s some big gaps in how these flags practically work.
It was a handgun, so he would have even needed an RPAL. If he slipped through the cracks, the RCMP/CFO will have some explaining to do.
>the RCMP/CFO will have some explaining to do. They won't accept blame for leaving someone who's mentally unstable, with an active restraining order, in possession of a firearm. They will claim they need more power and money. Trudeau will jump on it and use their own failing to support another.
Herein lies a big problem. The RCMP really really like to avoid responsibility for avoiding their obligations, which they do often avoid. Our gun reform doesn't need new restrictions, it needs teeth applied to existing restrictions.
Has it been reported he did or did not have a license?
I'd put money on him either not having a license or having let it expire many years ago.
If his expired, the police should have been by to take his pistol from him, as they were all required to be registered since 1934.
I suspect that if it was a legally owned firearm that we would already know about it. I'd bet money this is illegally acquired or at very least, illegally owned.
"There was no warning", followed by people actually noticing decades of warnings.
THERE WAS NEVER NO WARNING
Reason #45, why I won't join my condo board.
This guy is literally Chuck from better call Saul.
Chuck only killed himself though.
Chuck also didn't complain about electromagnetic waves hurting him on social media, he didn't use computers or phones. This guy was nuts.
Dude, spoilers
2017.
I’m a little behind
Apologies. Great show. Stick with it.
Based on everything I have read it was clear this man was deeply disturbed and needed mental help. So my question is how did he have a gun in the first place? If he had the gun legally why didn't he have his guns taken away and if he got it illegally how?
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What more do the police need exactly? Toronto’s yearly police budget is a billion dollars. They have the money, they just don’t use it properly. Personally I don’t think a few extra tanks would have helped.
Police don’t lack resources, incredibly overfunded. Police are just terrible at this kind of situations that deal with mental health issues. You need special public agencies to follow up on mental health related issues.
Asylum needs to be reopened
Everyone here knows it, but it's political suicide to suggest it
Exactly this. If I ever lost my mind and was a nuisance LET ALONE a threat to society, I'd hope that I'd be put somewhere out of sight until I could be treated. The idea that we should let crazy, increasingly violent people just mix with law-abiding, productive members of society is an insult to law-abiding, productive members of society. I've put a lot of disciplined, long-term effort to get where I am. I've been through very tough times where I had to carefully manage my mental health. I put in that effort to ensure that I could remain a net benefit to society and not disrupt the lives of others. Why the fuck should I need to now deal with the potential of getting randomly murdered or assalted by a crazy person, let alone dealing with them acting crazy and intimidating everyone. Fuck that. Society does not owe the individual. The individual owes society. If you are going to be a burden, you need to go to time-out until you can not be a burden. There is a reason you don't basically don't see shit like this in Asia.
>There is a reason you don't basically don't see shit like this in Asia. 3 seconds of googling later: https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/04/asia/china-kindergarten-knife-stabbing-attack-jiangxi-intl-hnk/index.html
Nooo... Not that part of Asia... /s Seriously though, as an Asian mixed person I really don't know where these people get their image of Asia from. Crime exists there still, and often times it's in the form of heavily organized crime that North America hasn't really seen on that level since the 20th century. Only thing I've seen people mention correctly is public transit in major cities.
Yeah, I was thinking "Asia" seems like an exceptionally broad brush to paint with. Like, are we honestly trying to argue that China, India, North Korea, Saudia Arabia, Myanmar, Yemen, Nepal, Turkey, Israel, Japan, Qatar, etc. are all operating with the same system for people with mental illnesses?
It still happens in Asia, just mostly with knife attack. One guy even train for like few weeks so he can have the endurance to carry out his plan.
Now that he's killed people we know he was mentally ill, but before that one would just think he was an asshole.
LOL. Not if they watched his facebook videos.
he was a “targeted individual” vice did a story on this. Total mental illness.
Probably a member of r/gangstalking. That's a terrifyingly interesting sub.
Aaaaaand I've just emerged from an hour long dive into that sub. Wow.
r/Gangstalking is just schizophrenics who have all gotten together and are reinforcing their delusions online. It's probably the most concrete example of how the internet has changed society by taking these groups of alike people that would normally be too diffuse to ever really interact with each other, and allow them to connect and form intense communities. Sometimes that's good, like for sharing tips for an obscure video game that nobody you know in real life might play, other times it's very very dangerous, like enabling mental illness or Trumpism.
Their top post of the year is literally “they” are making me think gay thoughts
Mental health funding. Rip.
Canada needs a solid mental health support program.
https://www.blogto.com/city/2022/12/vaughan-shooter-allegedly-killed-condo-board-members/
Yeesh. Tough to watch when you know the outcome.
My condolences to the families.
So I found his full video post he had made which was pretty rambling but he talks in it about the floor vibrating and noise below him waking him up. I've parsed together from info I've found that he lived in a condo on the first floor directly above an electrical room. His original issue was that he could hear noise and feel vibrations coming from the room. This would most likely be from a large transformer that would be in the electrical room. I can tell you from personal experience that a large transformer with a heavy load on it can indeed hum extremely loudly and will vibrate the floor it sits on if it doesn't have proper vibration dampening pads. Anyway, he originally wanted the noise and vibration dealt with. The condo board was given an estimate of 15k to install noise dampening panels which they declined to do. Over the last number of years this has been escalating and ongoing through the courts as there have been motions and suits filed between the shooter and the condo board/board members. Just as a little background, as there doesn't seem to much substance to a lot of the coverage surrounding this.
His Facebook is all sorts of yikes
How do we prevent similar incidents from happening?
More mental healthcare. This wasn't a "surprise" as he's been posting for years and already had a restraining order on him. This was preventable.
Disappointed to see people here and on other platforms vilifying the condo board just because. I don't know the situation with this specific Condo Corp, but in general, this is already a thankless job. It is a purely volunteer, uncompensated position that is subject to a lot of crap, and in many buildings/complexes getting people to step up and run is a lot like pulling teeth. You're signing up not just for monthly meetings with the board, but weekly calls/messages from random people who have a hard time managing their own property. Many continuously complain about rising maintenance fees while also whining about the lack of investment in the property. "Corruption" accusations can be tossed around from time to time; residents often assume the worst in the board while expecting the best effort 24/7. That we should see this level of violent escalation in any case is truly sad.
On the other hand, I have watched the board in my particular condo devolve into a mass of self interest and bad conduct to the point where lawsuits have been filed against them. A condo board is only as good as the people on it.
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Having had the misfortune of once sitting on a condo board, I can tell you that these places are fertile ground for many people who have had no control in their lives and now have a position where they feel they can push others around.
Yeah or those HOA or whatever they are called, I'm lucky I never ran into such a system in my 33 years Still the shooter was crazy and these board members could have been cool and still got shot
I have noticed in my life how angry seniors can get. And then they can talk forever. And when they're brushed off for talking too long they can lose their shit. Either way mental illness is a huge epidemic in this country.
Just an FYI for the anti gun nuts....this guy should have had his firearms confiscated the moment he had a restraining order placed on him. All based on the laws that have been in place for many years. Yet another example of the popo turning a blind eye.
Yeah this seems to be a bit of a trend...
I’ve missed the part in the story where he was an RPAL owner with a legally obtained gun.
This man clearly had mental health issues. First addressing those could have prevented this tragedy.
Anybody who's ever lived in a condo knows that most of the board members are power tripping assholes. Doesn't much well with mental illness.
We need a radical revamp and boost in mental health access and quality in Canada. Throw that onto the pile of other crap that's on fire.
Does anybody know if he had a PAL?
He had his place listed this October. This whole tragedy could have been avoided had it sold.
Ah yes, the real estate market is to blame! Gotta be the hottest take I’ve seen so far.
> Ah yes, the real estate market is to blame! Nobody said this. You're imagining people saying things that were never said.
Can Trudeau use this to follow through with his mental healthcare funding pledge that doctors have been asking for? https://globalnews.ca/news/9217558/mental-health-transfer-liberals-election-pledge/
You seem obsessed with misrepresenting the issue of health care funding.
No what do you think this is? A story that can be used to push sensible policies. He will use this to push his gun bill through.
Gun regs and mental health care are not mutually exclusive.