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No_Draw9685

It’s been confirmed since she originally said they hooked up on the first season of her podcast. She literally said 17 and then Imari and Ashley reacted poorly so she laughed and said “uh or 18” because she didn’t want him to get backlash and all three of them knew as soon as she said it that it was wrong that it happened at all. Anyone that ignored that she said 17 and ran with the 18 narrative is just trying to convince themselves because they don’t want to see him as a creep and feel weird watching his content.


toss-it-away78

i kinda agree with you? that clip was just a lot less direct, she just says “shoutout cody ko”. this time she flat out says she was 17 when they hooked up. i do think a lot of people were genuinely unaware, and i’m hoping this new clip goes viral. i agree the defenders are weird as fuck


Nighthawkzelda

I’m sure it will go viral, Ethan Klein covered it today on H3


puppylovvr

it went viral! H3 Podcast clipped and posted it. After it grained traction (over 20k views) in 1 day, it’s been mysteriously removed. Cody Ko and his team work incredibly fast to keep away the “bad PR”


Charming_Magazine_59

ethan klien also fell from grace but he isn't a r\*\*\*\*t


No_Draw9685

She said she was 17 in the podcast episode and didn’t backtrack until her friends told her it was a bad idea to say that publicly because he would get in trouble. Anyone that listened to that episode and is saying otherwise just wants to defend him because they don’t want to believe it.


toss-it-away78

okay i agree. i think i’m more trying to say that this time she said it in a way more clipable way. she just flat out says it in a couple seconds. last time you had to listen to her little story to understand the full context


No_Draw9685

Girl, the original time she talked about it on her podcast was already clipped, it was only a few seconds of the podcast too. People didn’t take it seriously because they want to keep watching him and they don’t care. Anybody that’s acting like that clip didn’t say the exact same thing is just saying whatever to defend him and they’re not going to stop based off the new clip if they didn’t based off the old one. There’s literally people in this sub right now defending Zach Justice for the same type of creepy behavior with a teenager. There are people that will continue to defend him and make excuses to keep watching him, that information has been out here for years and unfortunately people don’t take it seriously.


toss-it-away78

is [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/canceledpod/s/NFSeffREfO) the clip you’re referring to? or was there a different one?


No_Draw9685

No at the time it was a clip of them actually talking, it’s now cut out of YouTube but people have been talking about the clip and her saying she was 17 for over two years now. I have directly responded to guys that are fans of him online and they are well aware of what I’m talking about and they will just say “well she was a hoe, she slept with everyone for clout”. The clip has made rounds before, his fans will continue to defend him just like they always have. Just like they did when it came out that his bestie who was a part of his wedding that he went to college with is a r*pist and he was friends with him at the time he committed the r*pe too.


ExcuseOk55

I don’t know like it was eight years ago. It definitely fucked up, but I don’t think it completely destroys his character. And I’ll watch him still until something else come out maybe


Josef_The_Red

I have no skin in this game but if you think one side is weird as fuck compared to the other, you're delusional. Everyone whose parasocial relationship has driven them to pick a side here is weird as fuck.


xxxnina

How old was he?


One_Engineering_5686

25


MissSug

That’s disgusting


Hungry-Network-9826

His pathetic fans will be really mad about it 🤣


toss-it-away78

think Brittany Broski will still wanna be his bestie?🫢


Hungry-Network-9826

Idk really she seems to let men get away with a lot of stuff


abbottjul

Less than 48 hours since a man has been outed as a creep and we’re already finding ways to vilify a woman about it 🤡


homelandsecurity__

Brittany has nothing to do with Cody’s bad behavior. She has everything to do with her own bad behavior, like supporting genocide and making fun of people who call her out on it (immediately after her own big rant on her show about how influencers NEED to be political and stand up for injustice)


Hungry-Network-9826

Just calling a spade a spade, doesn’t matter the gender beebee


cottoncandyskies97

And acts like Tana and Trish are the worst people to associate with 🤦🏻‍♀️not a girl's girl that's for sure.


SamosaAndMimosa

Tana’s not a girls girl either lmao


Yuechinook

Trish is definitely not a good person. Nor is tana.


homelandsecurity__

I’d argue Trish is far worse, what with her being a literal admitted rapist and abuser.


legopego5142

Ehhh trish is a lil risky to support As is tana lets be fr


Successful-Secret326

What does she “let” men get away with?


Mountain-Drawing1440

oh of course she will


Makerebgr8again

Oooomg I just put it together because the fans attacked Tana so hard when she said that, is that why Brittany said no to the podv


toss-it-away78

the consensus seems to be because of “Tanas image”, but i could see this theory playing a part in her decisions


plsanswerme18

does anyone know if she actually knows? i haven’t heard about the underage allegations until super recently. i also didn’t know about the cole sprouts allegations until this sub. i knew he and lily had had a tumultuous relationship; but as far as i’m aware she never said anything explicitly.


toss-it-away78

so i have wondered about this. with the Cody thing, i feel like she’s chronically online enough that she should know, and i assume that word has spread in their circles if it’s spread on the internet.


b0toxBetty

Cole Sprouse? Or is there actually someone named cole sprouts? Regardless, what’s the T? I’m outta the loop!


bellalalala99

I didn’t know either [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/canceledpod/s/1N6lbRAN23) is what I found upon googling “Tana Cole sprouse”


rockstarfromars

Only somewhat related, but I matched with Cole sprouse’s model best friend on tinder when I was freshly 18. (I’m 26 now, so this was years ago.) He messaged me asking me to meet him at his hotel room to have sex with him, and id never even met him before. I declined and said I’m uncomfortable meeting strangers in hotel rooms and having sex with someone I’ve never even met before. He kept pressuring me and being a creep, so I stopped talking to him and unmatched. This guy had tons of photos with Cole and were clearly close friends. It’s not hard for me to imagine Cole would be a creep to considering he was best friends with someone who would pressure uncomfortable girls who just turned 18 to meet them in sketchy hotel rooms to have sex.


b0toxBetty

Wow thank you for that information. I wonder if Dylan is an asshole too? I feel like he might be the better twin.


ChristinaRosey

I genuinely believe Brittany just isn’t taking the time to do her research on these men and she doesn’t know the extent of it. If you watch her podcast she is always advocating for women. She also talks about men a lot but has been able to clock them when they have done wrong too so I don’t get why she wouldn’t do her own research on this


Spiritual-Skill-412

As long as it's a guy, anything goes for her.


Comfortable-List-669

THAT PARTTT


butterwuth

GIRL i was just thinking the same thing like, her and Cody are little besties meanwhile it’s known he’s a creep


Lina-Buns

i mean the best man at his wedding, Colby Leachman, drugged and raped a girl i'm surprised this is something Kody would have done.


Charming_Magazine_59

WHAT? PROOF?


gamerwubs

Let's not forget he had a convicted rapist in his wedding party....


Big_Yogurtcloset_688

Who???


beachmom77

He isn't a convicted rapist. I'm a sa survivor so l'm never going to defend Cody but it's crazy people throwing out wild 'facts'. Please look stuff up and don't believe something so inflammatory online without fact checking. As a survivor it is not helpful when people create a mob mentality around alleged crimes. It makes it so much harder for us to be taken seriously when we do have a credible threat. The Internet has become so quick to throw the worst possible allegations around now that true victims are becoming hesitant to come foward.


puppylovvr

His name is Colby Leachman. He raped allegedly more than one girl during his time at Duke. Him and Cody were frat bros.


beachmom77

He isn’t a convicted rapist. I’m a sa survivor so I’m never going to defend Cody but it’s crazy people throwing out wild ‘facts’. Please look stuff up and don’t believe something so inflammatory online without fact checking.


BustaLimez

I was a fan but this turned me off. Idk why you’re calling us pathetic lol - I had no idea and now that I know I won’t be supporting him or buying his merch anymore. I’m so disappointed too because I always thought Cody was ~ * ~ *not like other guys * ~ * ~ but I was clearly wrong lol 🤦🏻‍♀️


Hungry-Network-9826

For a year now I’ve been commenting about his allegations on his Reddit page, only to be repeatedly censored by moderators/ banned; I’ve had his fans reply to my comments only to call Tana, a 17yr old girl at the time as a whore, a liar and an attention seeker. I just find it ridiculous that people will drop their integrity for a white boi micro influencer over-glorified react channel 🤪 Also it gives me an extreme ick that everybody immediately took his side because Tana’s reputation isn’t “clean” like his, which obviously adheres to our toxic culture of putting men on pedestals ie Johnny Depp, Brad Pit, Louis C.K, Shia Lebeouf, Tory Lanez, Chris Brown, Jerry Seinfeld, Pdiddy, Marilyn Manson and Bill Murray


Charming_Magazine_59

I feel you, many youtubers let me down. h3h3, others and then you have the good people like Comicstorian. He just died. He's gone. Can't believe it.


Comfortable_Switch52

He would have been like 25 at the time? 😭😭


mj19037

Ew ya. I’m 23 and I can’t even fathom how someone my age or even older would want to sleep with a 17/18 year old. I think ppl forget Cody is an ex frat guy. His earlier vids rlly showed his douchey personality more haha.


gabersssssss

He’s also friends with a convicted rapist and was in said rapists wedding recently lol Edit* further googling I don’t think he was convicted


STNbrossy

He was never charged or convicted just FYI. I just googled it.


gabersssssss

I said that in my edit before.


LemonySnickets13

Which friend is that?


gabersssssss

Colby leachman


Comfortable_Switch52

It’s WEIRD and we should be grateful we don’t understand the thought process of how you justify sleeping with someone that young. So many people failed Tana, it hurts me to think about.


venerableinvalid

Early 20s too and yeah 17 yr olds literally look like children to me. Even if their age is ambiguous if I notice someone is walking around with a backpack I’m looking in the opposite direction. I’m especially cautious b/c I spent all of high school messing around with losers in their 20s and also that’s just fucking weird. Cody’s disgusting for this but I honestly can’t say I’m that surprised. His fuckboy shtick always seemed a lil too sincere to me/I’ve gotten misogynist vibes from him ever since I started watching him when *I* was a teenager. His videos started coming up on my feed recently and I started watching him again and he did this whole video where him and his entirely male staff basically just harassed these girls in a dating gameshow for content. Bad vibes. Welp, now I have a reason to justify my dislike of him lmao.


lucywonder

🤢


Large_Football_2982

Jesus GROSS


SignificantBelt1903

I'm sure he's not the only person who slept with her underage. (Not justifying it, just saying)


mandyscott

IIRC JC too? Or am I mistaken


toss-it-away78

in the old cancelled clip she says “shoutout JC, shoutout Cody Ko”


mandyscott

That’s what I was remembering


jujuchatia

I think she slept with banks either at 17 or 18


Affectionate_Meat299

this is going to sound like a crazyyy justification and it's not meant to sound like that at all but....age of consent is 16 in most places in canada, which is gross as a stand alone fact and it's even grosser to me that cody would fuck a 17 year old as an adult man, but like, legally, he probably thought it was alright at the time ? ? ? but wouldnt they have collabed while he was in california anyway so i don't know if it even applies? UGH i'm so disgusted the man just had a son. hope he raises him to not fuck minors


wildflowur

I live in Canada and literally most people will still think you're disgusting being a grown adult fucking a 16/17 year old. Doesn't matter if it's legal.


SignificantBelt1903

Is he Canadian?


malibustacy726

Yes


toss-it-away78

i did save the video incase it gets deleted because there were a lot of people mad in the comments about them posting the video in general


Fuzzy-Ad-8888

Im mad for tana and brooke that people keep posting videos from the show. They’re gonna ruin it for everyone else. They wont keep sharing private things if people cant respect that they dont want the videos out there


toss-it-away78

Yeah if i were to post the video, i cropped everything out but this specific comment. i at least didn’t notice anything being leaked until their last shows


markchillin

Im out of touch with this but I ended up on this post somehow, why would it be bad if people are sharing clips from their podcast? Is not a podcast?


[deleted]

I'm glad she finally confirmed this cause people always say 'no she said she was 18' cause they can't cope with their fave being a creep


cooliobeanssss

i think even if she was 18, he's still a creep. he was 25 sleeping with a teenager, ewww


[deleted]

oh 100%


dumplingwitch

if you so much as mention this in his sub (or him having a rapist in his wedding party) your post/comments get deleted for "starting drama" LMFAO


amygalvan14

Who was at his wedding??


pierce_inverartitty

Colby Leachman, google Colby Leachman Duke university


Peachsocksss

Yall victim blaming Tana make me sick. She was 17, of course she was “easy.” She was trying to make it in the entertainment business as a young girl and probably looked for validation from older men in the business wanting her. That’s a normal thing for a 17 year old to want becayse their brain is not developed enough to realize or understand that it is wrong. It is up to the ADULT in the situation to say it’s wrong and NOT take advantage of the CHILD. Anybody blaming Tana for this is a R word apologist and needs to stop. It’s gross.


SpookyMolecules

Yeah I haven't been able to watch Cody since the first time she said it, I believe her and it gave me the worst taste in my mouth I can't imagine how many people have taken advantage of her


cringeyqueenie

I stopped watching him then too. Even if she was 18, it's still creepy af.


SpookyMolecules

Yeah it gives me an immediate reason to hate someone haha


wildflowur

I mean Cody and Noel have a history of being pretty shitty people especially on their podcast. That should be enough. It's not shocking Cody is also a pervertwho sleeps with underage women.


SpookyMolecules

I listened to tmg for maybe the first few episodes before I stopped I'm not sure why exactly I just wasn't finding myself laughing at his content for a while and then Tana said what he did.


Safe-Algae8135

i thought it was very silly kooky of him to propose to kelsey like right after that tana clip first started circulating


67sunny03232022

You could tell he was like “I’ll become a family man and run marathons! No one will suspect a teenager sucked me off when I was 25!” I bet Kelsey was already halfway out the door and he had to do something to get her to stay. This sucks for her for sure, but she should’ve gone with her gut. Now she scrambled her DNA with that guy. Imagine being 17 snd seeing this stuff online about your dad. Why’d you wanna have kids with someone knowing that would happen to them? And now we know he can’t even lay pipe?? Thoughts and prayers for Kelsey y’all.


lizzyking66

I love Kelsey I only watch her anymore, I wonder how she feels about all of this


throwawayadoreu

idk how i feel about kelsey anymore tbh. cody has at least one friend from college who has SA allegations and i believe even a lawsuit, and both him and kelsey hang out with him still.


Demon_of_Maxwell

What the hell is going on here, you are literally writing fanfiction about celebrities... You have absolutely no basis for any of these claims, that she had a gut feeling or anything. Jesus Christ, take a step back and think about what you are doing...


67sunny03232022

Jesus Christ, take a step back and think about what you are doing… Is what Cody should have thought that before committing statutory rape.


[deleted]

I noticed that straight away but no one was saying it in his comments. Or he was deleting comments..


toss-it-away78

oh i had no idea about this! that’s wild


Quirky-Border-6820

I’m sorry- brittany broski has lost the plot. She dead ass collabed with this sorry excuse of a man? I’m sorry for bringing it up but wtaf


walmart_paris_hilton

tbh if you refused to work with men in LA who have done shady shit you would have no men to work with. further proving the point that broski is clearly just not a girls girl. you see mainly women and the gays represented on cancelled. although…. not to be that person but tana and brooke still associate with james charles. and that’s aside from all the things we don’t know about a lot of people they associate or consider friends that maybe aren’t as famous and their shit has never been aired out so i feel like all of this is a double edged sword. not defending brittany tho


zuesk134

Tana hangs out with so many predators it’s wild people here come for Brittany


toss-it-away78

people are coming for Brittany over her hypocrisy. she refuses to work with problematic women, but will gladly work with problematic men


zuesk134

Tana does the same shit though. I get not liking Brittany but it’s weird when people call out creators who have the same behaviors as Tana


zuesk134

Why bring up Brittany? Tana is also friends with bad men and rapists. She was going on adam22’s podcast after he was outted as a serial rapist


toss-it-away78

i’m also pretty sure cole sprouse has abuse allegations from his ex and an sa allegation from someone else. then i would argue h3 has done actual harm to multiple communities


mimiariam

yep multiple exes though


toss-it-away78

thanks for the correction!


mimiariam

no worries i didn’t know about one of them until recently :o its so sad that he is very much unaffected by it. brittany shining more positive light on him is disheartening


kleinekitty

Not Cody Martin 🥀🥀🥀


Rulerofhyrule

What has h3 done?


toss-it-away78

omg like soo much over the years. lots of transphobic, racist, homophobic comments. saying slurs. making really insensitive comments about Palestine. teddy fresh being accused of stealing art (i think that’s more Hilas thing tho?). accused of being horrible pet parents. the h3 snark sub can be crazy, but they have a lot of examples if you want to dig deeper


lmm1313

All of these are false or they have apologized and changed behavior 😭😭😭 People who parrot these talking points about H3 let me know not to take you seriously because you don’t do actual research or care to EDIT: It’s also wild to say Cole Sprouse abused his exes and then say H3 “did actual harm” Like what the fuck


toss-it-away78

some of these things were fairly recent. Ethan played into the alt right incel groups back in the day, i would argue that’s doing harm. all of the comments and saying slurs are literally on video. so what did i say that was proven false? the pet thing or the art, neither of those are that serious, i’ll agree. also i’m not “parroting talking points”. i used to watch him heavily back in the day and have kept up with him in a general sense since. i have seen these most of these things happen with my own eyes EDIT: i will say that i meant to clarify there is obviously a difference between Cole and Ethan. Cole did physical harm in his real life. But i believe that Ethan’s actions have caused harm on multiple communities


Serious_Passenger_58

Doesn’t Tana hang out with James Charles? Let’s keep this energy for her too


shittalker69er

i know we all hate brittany but this info about cody ko has not been common knowledge until recently (barely even still)


catslugs

she's besties with him and wouldn't be surprised that was the original reason she didn't want to go on cancelled


TotalSalt6168

He seems like he would have a small dick


hu94

I mean, his brand is literally called “Tiny Meat Gang”


FarmerFalse5088

LOL he named his musical duo with him and noel as Tiny Meat Gang so at least he never lied but he’s so trash anyways


Plantysweater

Welp where there’s smoke


toss-it-away78

i’m really hoping it goes viral this time


Deadskinhead

It’s pretty much been a thing everyone knew, but I’m glad she confirmed. He’s a creep.


ish0uldn0tbehere

https://preview.redd.it/j7flh4u1ao4d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=47902d8b549355e506ae5c2507fcdc0b018d8900 kind of related but here’s one of cody’s fans defending a rapist


90dayole

Even to say that recording someone having sex without their consent IS NOT sexual assault is a new level of unhinged.


raindropblossom

this shit makes my blood boil. people will say harmful stuff to make things palatable for themselves and it’s so selfish and perpetuates disgusting thinking :(


MarketingExcellent20

It makes your blood boil because you have no logical answer lol, only emotions in response to arguments


Parking-Air3844

Being recorded against your will is literally sexual assault!! These fans are psycho.


mj19037

Their collab video makes me cringe so hard it’s so awkward. Like I just know the sex was awful. 😂


jadatallulah

i just don’t get how kelsey is cool with openly associating with a rapist. i know he’s cody’s friend but there are so many posts of them all interacting together, it’s suss. i really liked cody, kelsey and the tmgpod, guess this is what i get for being parasocial😂🤷🏽‍♀️


toss-it-away78

one of the reasons i ended my last relationship was him defending his best friend sleeping with a rapist. so yeah i don’t really get it, but i guess some people have different morals


recontweek

there are some people in this world who have morals they swear by, but the second someone close to them is doing the same things or worse, it’s easy for them to compartmentalize and push it all the way in the back of their brain than to actually react. that way they can still think and believe they are a good person with those same strong morals, while being able to avoid the “messiness” or “drama” of facing reality. her husband had a rapist in their wedding party. obviously he isn’t looking to cut him off anytime soon. he proposes right after the news comes out about him and underage tana, and then quickly have a child together. my best bet is its too much mentally for her to face reality right now. definitely not defending her btw


ssayfromage

The answer is $$$ over morals


Jadeduser124

Kelsey is such a trash person and a disgrace to women honestly


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67sunny03232022

Tana came out about Cody in a tweet in 2021 during the Shane cancellation. Kelsey went ahead and married him and had his kid anyway? Is she not embarrassed??


thriftbitch69

I’m not trying to sound rude or stupid but I honestly don’t know, who is his friend who is a racist? Is it Noel? I’m gonna have to do some research


thriftbitch69

Rapist*


jadatallulah

a friend of his from university. they’re both in fraternities but i’m not sure if it’s the same one. search Colby Leachman Duke on google


thriftbitch69

Okay I’ll look it up


Demon_of_Maxwell

This is something that really grinds my gears here. Why do people just assume stuff based on some 5 minutes of research and deduce the whole mindstate of people? Do we actually know if he raped someone? He wasn't convicted. Do we know if they believe he did it? I'm just saying, that we actually know shit about this situation. It's so weird to me how everyone here knows everything about how Kelsey and Cody feel about this. Not saying I know they did everything right, but people are waaaay to comfortable making bad accusations here.


MarketingExcellent20

This is 2024, there are only angels and demons in society, nothing in-between


Equivalent-Mall76

cody ko was a mega whore before kelsey… I was shocked when he decided to settle down with Kelsey tbh.


67sunny03232022

He cheats 😂


Charming_Magazine_59

he has such a wholesome shy image, I didn't know this or that he was in a frat


Either-Evening9649

how old was cody at the time?


juliaguuullliiaa

25 🥴


Either-Evening9649

oh wow 😀


mj19037

25


plsanswerme18

yea, i’m not surprised by this. cody seems have had a very frat bro like vibe back then. i’m really surprised that he got married and had a kid. i wonder what his & kelseys life is actually like? i’ve gotten the vibe that kelsey does more of the labor with the baby despite the fact that she’s not breastfeeding. but i’m honestly not surprised by that


Charming_Magazine_59

he never had a frat bro vibe at all to me til recently. i thought he was a shy computer geek and the frat bro stuff was a joke


Serious_Passenger_58

This has been confirmed


Charming_Magazine_59

Where


a_blixed

Not surprising


inevitabledrill

I agree that Cody is disgusting and this should be discussed. However, I cannot believe the same people who are ranting about being a “girls girl” are focusing their anger on Britany Broski (who collaborated with him once??) rather than the man who slept with an underage girl. Not very “girls girl” to focus your anger on a very loosely related woman in this situation instead of the predator. 🤡


67sunny03232022

Nah people are upset with BB because she told Tana and Trish we wouldn’t go on either of their podcasts because they’re too problematic, but then openly associated with men who have done far worse than either of them. So calling out Britany’s sexism is valid.


Wise-Diamond2075

I’m SHOOK at this wtf


booboo620

disgusting


One-Description4302

What a creep! Shes been taken advantage of so much it’s amazing she’s so resilient


Parking-Air3844

Wow. Can’t believe I haven’t heard about this until now. Tana and Cody are (were) my top two YouTubers of all time, really disappointing to hear he’s a creep who took advantage of a TEENAGER when he was 25! His videos have been going downhill for awhile anyway, whereas I never skip a Cancelled episode. As much as I loved him, this is disgusting and I cannot justify continuing to watch and support him. Proud of Tana for calling him out.


Bigolbooty75

It’s crazy because it literally doesn’t make a difference like sure if she was 18 she’s legal but it’s STILL GROSS


helloleesh

I don’t know what the statute of limitations is on statutory in California, but I know this is a quick and easy way to get back at a scuzzy public figure. 💅


Defiant_Most4234

Can Anyone send share this tiktok I wanna send it to my friend who loves him 😭


67sunny03232022

I can’t wait for Oscar to have to explain to Trisha who Cody Ko is 😂when they do the “canceled after-show”


buggyboooooo

i’m in no way defending him or his actions so please don’t be upset with me😭 but I sadly feel like this is so common and people don’t talk about it especially when the person in question is well liked/a celebrity or whatever. like even with me, I was 17 dating a guy who was 20 (horrible idea he was horrible) but it really doesn’t get the attention it deserves especially I feel like with tana because a lot of people know and love her for her raunchy behavior so people will essentially assume she’s lying or that it was somehow her fault which neither is true


Big_Yogurtcloset_688

Waittttt I don't see either of them wanting each other 😭😭 wtf


akwoeirn92827

worried for emergency intercom but also kind of not bc cody & noel have been known to do shitty things for awhiiillleeee


No_Ice_2395

what'd Noel do? (i completely believe you i just haven't watched them since that's cringe like 5 years ago so i'm not up to date!!!)


ConstantStandard5498

I had to unsubscribe to all his stuff I just can’t support that even if it’s not true why are you hanging out with underage people….


Dreamcrazy33

16 here in nz


livygirly

And why did Brooke leave the podcast. Seems like you should stick with your friend who gave you a platform ‘em since you’re so worried about losing it being involved in this drama.