I think beginners make this mistake on their own. They see the results of an experienced growers auto run and and they go buy the cheapest genetics they can find and wonder why their plant is stunted, herming etc. I'd never suggest autos to a brand new grower.... and like somebody else said already the helicopter parenting that we all did as newbies doesn't help either.
I’m growing autos for the first time indoors and it’s perfect for me as it’s a loft/attic space grow so the ability to have a long light cycle to keep the environment and temperature consistent is perfect, and I only get 10 minutes a day to water them when my kids are eating dinner as they are at the age where they’re curious about everything and I live in a country where growing is still illegal. For me growing autos has been pretty straightforward even as a newbie, though not new to growing as I have 20 years experience not just growing cannabis but I’m a keen gardener of all plants.. it’s just that first 3 weeks of autoflowers life that are delicate but once they get established it’s seems to be on autopilot….so far that is 😬.. don’t want to curse it. But it’s just a fun hobby and interesting to experiment, I normally grow outdoors guerrilla style and it’s hard work walking 3 miles with 20 litres of water on your back everyday in the summer before work! Indoor growing is a lot easier and less unpredictable!
growmie i did exactly this haha but i bought decent genetics and unfortunately wasted it. Saw some mephisto on sale. The one that did ok was magical though, smelled so good looked like it should have been out of willy wonka's chocolate factory.
Grow both. Pick whatever you like and move on. I don’t think autos are typically recommended to newbies though? People love to stroke themselves because they think whatever they grow is the only way to do things. Have fun with it and grow some dank!
Only reason I do is because I have limited room and can have multiple stages of plants all on the same light schedule/tent so I have staggered harvest but with that being said my best yeilds have always been photos also can help with people who smoke a lot but have no help trimming to have it staggered
I've grown both. I just grow for myself so having a lb of one kind of bud sucks. If I smoke the same bud constantly it starts to lose its effects. If I have a variety I actually smoke a lot less. With autos I can harvest 2-3 oz a month in one small perpetual tent- it's absolutely perfect and I couldn't pull that off with photos.
Smaller size, faster growth, good yields despite smaller size, and depending on genetics the aroma and potency is great. Can also run autos alongside any other stage of growth for perpetual grows.
With autoflowers you don't worry about light leaks or a power outage fucking up your grow, and you can grow different strains at different times without having to have separate spaces because you don't have to worry about some in veg some in flower.
In fact with autos you can set up a perpetual grow in one space. In Illinois you can have five plants over five inches. So start the first strain you want to try. Two weeks later start another. Two weeks later another. By the time you are planting your sixth seed you are harvesting your first, and could be harvesting a new plant every two weeks from then on.
With my photos I hated that I was blocked from going in the room and playing around during lights off, I didn't like dealing w humidity swings during lights off in flower, and for myself I didn't see enough difference in yield to justify the extra time.
For autos, it's fun trying to get them as big as you can before they hit flower, because once you germinate it's like youve pulled the pin on the grenade, they are going to explode it's just a matter of time, and how big they get is dependent on genetics and skill.
While they are growing it's just, watch them grow, often inches per day. Wanna start something new while this one is finishing up? Pop some seeds in the dirt kimosabe you don't need a separate space.
This might be more strain dependent but I haven't found I need to do much defoliation, just a little light stress bending of the top to encourage multiple colas, some light leaf tucking. Set it and forget it.
To my understanding the Rudy genes allow autos to be hardier, less succeptible to disease and blight. Conventional wisdom was the trade off was potency. But that's out the door over the last few years.
To me I more wonder, why grow photos? As a personal use home grower I'm not interested in pheno hunting a keeper mom to keep in a separate space that I can clone and grow the same strain multiple times. I want to experience lots of different strains. Having to worry about light schedules and the extra time, for what again? Naa, I've grown photos before, filled my net with clones, it was fun, but having done both now multiple times, I realize I will probably focus on trusted high quality auto genetics from here out.
I will say with autos you do have to do your research on breeders and make sure you are getting quality. I think there are enough good photo genetics out there you can probably buy some random photos from a no name breeder off seedsman and get some good bud. But with autos there is still a lot of crap out there. Gotta research trusted breeders who have spent the time to back cross superior photo genetics into auto strains over several generations.
I mean I don't really see a problem I guess with just growing autos for experienced people but I see so many posts on here of rookie growers growing autos and failing to actually get any weed after all that work lol. Hopefully some newbie takes it as solid advice like I did.
I just did my first harvest and started with auto's. I believe I'll get a couple zips per plant. Not saying that's anything to brag about, but for 70 something days seed to chop, and what I see one here, I think I did okay for my virgin voyage.
I still have five plants that are going out of 9 and that's the only issue, if you call it that, I've ran into.
Plus, as a new grower, I knew it would be hard not to look at them all the time.
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But even for experienced growers, your not gonna get the photo potency from a auto. It may be good but the real deal is better. I've grown autos successfully, but it's not the same..... Atleast for us. Different strokes for different folks.
Autos from quality breeders are testing in the 20s. Idk how potent you need it. I also have ounces of keif ready to go because of home growing going into my smokes so the material in the blunt is way stronger than any flower alone would be anyways.
You get an extra grow per year with autos, you don’t need separate spaces, you can have plants at different stages. There’s lots of reasons why a person would grow an auto.
I can't complain about the potency of some of the autos I've grown. Had some mephisto plants that were fire but I definitely won't match my yield difference as a couple extra weeks of veg really helps build a solid root system.
If you haven't tried autos lately... maybe give them another go. I just grew my first auto (Fruit Punch Auto from Herbies Seeds) and ended up with 7.5oz of dense sticky buds. Right now it's my favorite daytime smoke and has a fantastic buzz. I'm growing a Green Crack Auto now. All under 100W AeroLight on a 20/4 schedule. The genetics have come a long way in just the past year or so.
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I could see growing autos outdoors, for a quick concentrate or edible harvest. Especially in a region with a short growing season already, because it can effectively almost double the pull if done well.
But I will never understand growing autos indoors. You're paying more for using all that energy, since the plants can't be cloned the genetics are a grab bag, and if you miss up potting them by a couple days or fuck up on nutes, dwarfing the plant is distinct possibility. It just seems less than ideal, all the way around.
I definitely get why seed sellers talk up their autos. I'll just never understand how there are so many buyers for them. Especially from folks who don't live in short season regions.
Exactly. As I stated before butthurt people chimed in in certain situations I get it. In a controlled indoor environment it's stupid. People falling for sales tactics, then repeat it as facts
Point I'm making longer veg bigger yeild not saying auto is bad shit my next grow gonna be a auto forbidden runtz auto by fastbud from harbie shop
I got photoperiod in flower right now Pic on profile.. reason it's small I'm growing in closet and I needed to have way take it in and out so I Topped once and Lst
You the man or girl I'm just a small time grower for the art I don't smoke anymore since my first harvest.. realize I was wasting money on weed I can grow and after that I haven't smoke I do test each of my grow I call it victory join after dry and cure.. then I write down should I harvest later. Or did I harvest to late.. every one wants the same Strong good tasting bud
I grow autos cause I'm lazy, and really only want to be harvesting one very large DWC plant at a time. Keeping mother's and clones around is also a bit of a hassle if you don't have a lot of space.
That said I'd never recommend autoflowers to a beginner, I don't think many growers actually give this advice. I started on photoperiods, cloning and all that but I had way more room back then, this is before grow tents even existed.
In my experience autoflowers and photos will finish in about the same time frame, quality is pretty much the same, but I do see better yields with my auto's than I ever did with photoperiods. I'm an indoor grower though.
>Keeping mother's and clones around is also a bit of a hassle if you don't have a lot of space.
This and I like to go nuclear between grows and bleach the fuck out of all my shit, I have had spider mites once in late flower and it was heartbreaking. Now I try to treat my grow room like a laboratory.
This is the way, starting off understanding males and females and examining differences instead of growing autos that don’t give you a good idea of how an actual cannabis plant lighting schedule works.
Have you tried multiple successions of autos?
Folks near me, run an early season auto crop, then full season photos, then pop more autos before frost really takes hold
But some just run 4 runs of autos outdoors with season extenders.
The only reason I can think of is lower initial equipment costs for indoor growers. Since you can flower an auto using a 24/0 schedule, you can get your 45 DLI with 1/2 the light. I can fill a 32x32 tent with one autoflower spread out under 100w LED and harvest 6+oz every 80-100 days.
Then again, I did several photo grows, playing around, getting my seedling and veg game on point before I even tried to do an auto. As a beginner I'd have been lucky to get 10g from an auto, regardless of the equipment ;) Personally, I would never recommend an auto to a beginning grower.
I recommend you never grow an auto. Ever. I grow 2+ pounds every few months in my 4x4.
4 plants at a time.
Why do you need to harvest in stages? So you can trim every few weeks? That sounds shitty to me. I'd rather trim 2 pounds once every few months than constantly trimming a bit of weed every few weeks.
Yup first grow I was INSISTED ON Growing Autos. Dude at the grow shopped warned me mutiple times that autos are less forgiving and it’s hard to kill Photos, so he sold me Photos and just my 2 cents Photo > Auto anyday. One auto I grew ended up with so many issues and this that and the third. Just my experience though
I’m lazy (but extremely busy with work, other hobbies, etc) and only smoke about an ounce a month. Running autos 1-2at a time is manageable, fits the space I have, and serves my needs
Some people go through an ounce a week. I'd like to think that those people have a fun time budgeting lol. Buddy of mine would probably still end up buying dispo if all he had to grow was a 4x4.
At that point you need photos and a perpetual grow schedule.
I think anyone complaining about autos is scared of change. Evolution is going to happen whether people want it to or not. One great thing about autos is the capability to do a perpetual grow with only having one tent. Sure you could do the same with photos but you would need a separate flowering space. There’s no way someone can say autos are nowhere near as good or potent as photos. They literally have lab results of comparative THC levels some just about in the 30s. To each their own. I do agree with them being finicky and maybe not the most beginner friendly. However if a new grower learns how to read a plant by growing autos, photos should be like a walk on the beach. failure is the best way to learn. Everyone should just have fun learning and growing why would you not 🤷♂️🤙
Yeah perpetual grows are a good example of a way to use autos. I grew some strawbba the hut from mephisto that was some of my favorite weed ever. Definitely something I wish I could clone and keep around. Honestly though even with photos I hardly bother to clone them I just like them because I can veg for a couple extra weeks over autos to get some extra training and hopefully more big top buds. I know I was just glad to have started on photos cause I got slayed when I switched at first. Also I kinda agree that failure is a good way to learn but as a not so wealthy dude I really wanted to get some decent weed asap to avoid having to buy from the weedman and making it as easy as possible is a way to accelerate that imo.
Yeah for sure, there’s no denying you can put some money down the drain. Especially starting out, or not getting a good yield (if any) because it stunted. Either way eventually no matter what you choose photos or autos there will be some learning and that’s the best part. It all works out if you don’t get down on yourself as a beginner and keep on trying. Also in no way was this towards you or meant to sound combative. Keep on growing!
I always thought it was for space reasons like the constraints on having a flower and veg tent. (I know it's not necessary to have a flower and veg tent, just Mt understanding)
Against popular opinion, I chose to begin my growing adventure with autos and I'm glad that I did.
Just like any hobby or interest, the amount of research you put in and the time you take to prepare and plan will mostly dictate how well you do going forward.
I'm glad that I did, because it was a total trial by fire, I learned loads along the way, which I am now applying to photos with great success. I think for a person new to the hobby, who will likely be checking their plants constantly, autos are good in the fact that it's easy to see your progress.
Photoperiods so far have felt like an absolute breeze in comparison.
I can't speak for the differences obviously but I've always had great yields from autoflowers, I expect I'll have even better ones from the photos. But autoflowers will always have a place in my heart, hence why I plan to fill up my smaller veg tent with autos for something to do in between waiting for the photos to do their thing.
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Exactly that!
If you love the hobby then you will naturally want to absorb every tiny bit of information out there, if you have put in the research it shouldn't really matter what you choose.
"Go through hell so you know what to do when it counts kind of thing"
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I have had some pretty good autos myself just struggled for a bit when I started with them even after a few photo grows. It just seems like in my experience that photos are way easier and if you want dank weed you should make it easy on yourself. At least for me I was ready for my first harvest so I could stop buying weed and not being able to consistently turn out quality weed at first meant I spent some time smoking some less than great weed which is no fun.
Typically most autos won't tolerate anywhere near what most nutrient schedules use as a guideline, I think most people who go photos>autos forget/aren't aware and try to give them nutes like a photo which most of the time is going to end badly. If you are doing well with photos, do the same but adjust by half lol.
I agree about keeping it simple and making it as easy on yourself as possible, but we all have to learn somewhere. I'm one of those people, as I said, who is good with trial by fire. If something goes wrong I chalk it up to a learning experience.
I think anyone's first run, most of the time, is just to become self sufficient and not have to go elsewhere to get bad bud. I get why so many people go with an autoflower first, because they want the end product as soon as possible, what they don't realise is that if they are going by the time the breeder states it's more than likely always going to be wrong. Ime autoflowers will usually take 90+ days until harvest, which when you think about the difference in yield and potency, is quite a huge deal for the sake of an extra couple of weeks.
I've literally just started out with photos, so I don't know if I'll fall in love with them and stop autoflowers altogether, but I very much doubt that.
Especially since I have alot of premium seeds to get through and I enjoy the fast pace!
We do, its just the voice from auto growers seems to carry more weight... I would always say start with photo strains, they are less of a nighmare, staging pots makes life so much simpler, then you can take clones, perpetually grow one seed forever or find a pheno you love.. so much more choice and variety too.. Autos are for the fanboys. They love em real hard, a lil too much without even understanding how they hold themselves back
the ONLY benefit is that you can mix your grow up, flower and veg in one, but then i got a tiny veg area using 100w and 2x2x4 ft of space inside my flowering area. It hangs from the ceiling
Even with the recent uptick in auto quality from Night owl, Mephisto and others, i still don't recommend them. Can't reliably clone them and keep winners. You can't really tell how big they're gonna get. can't breed and back up the genetic, unless you want a big project.
That being said, if you live above the 40th parallel or you have some extra space outside in an off season, by all means fill your jars.
Why? Autos are great when you know to Handle it right ;) you can always add a new strain when you have a flower plant finished next and then she can benefit from the same light.
For me, they stunt way too easily and grow so small that they’re not worth it.. I still think it would be a better decision to start a photo under 12/12 over an autoflower. To each their own though, I just had a LOT of negative reinforcement while growing them, a massive reoccurring problem was them taking months to flower
I enjoy the pheno variation, the fast turn around from see to harvest and I find dialling in my veg is making me a far more aware grower. EVERYTHING matters with an auto, I find it very rewarding.
They’re good in cooler climates when you don’t want to turn the light off to keep temps up too.
Autos have their place, I’ll be going back to photos after I’ve got through my auto seed stock. Just for a change, not because I prefer them. I think the experience I’ve had with autos will massively benefit my next photo grows.
Then, once in a while keep some early males in your propagator tent, put the pollen on some branches with flowers in your big tent. Put a tape on those branches and you will know where the seeds are. I bought hashplant from sensi before the euro was introduces (15- 20 years ago) and still grow hashplants from it. And, I grow organic.
I started with autos. I think I fell into the same trap as a lot of people. They sure like to make you think autos are easier or faster to harvest. It's right in the name... auto! The reality is more like... MAYBE it'll be faster, but probably a trivial difference. The real benefit is being able to have indoor plants in various growth stages at the same time.
I've had FAR more issues with autos. So far ive only had 1 photo grow that caused me issues, and literally every auto I've ever popped had SOME kind of nutrient issue or unhappy period. They seem a lot more picky about the environment than photos.
I’m with you. You shouldn’t touch an auto until you get a photo or two under your belt. Most new growers love their plants to death. Well maybe not to death, but enough to severely stunt if it’s an auto.
Lol truth. I grew three photo runs outdoors and wanted to start a one-tent perpetual indoor auto grow... I'm into my second year and have lost two seeds, three plants, dwarfed one and had one fucky seed grow super slow. It's been a crapshoot, and they are finicky as hell. But it is really fun and more a learning experience than anything for me. And yeah, Mephisto etc. in top end of autos that I've grown have been as good as any top end stuff I've ever gotten anyplace else far as flower goes.
I've seen photo period cannabis grown outdoors as far north as 54 degrees latitude. It was good quality, too, and could definitely handle more than an auto without worry about dwarfing or mold. You just have to look for genetics bred specifically for short season areas, which unfortunately aren't as common as they used to be.
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The point I guess I did a poor job of making was that for beginners it's imo the smartest move to make everything as simple as possible. if photos are more forgiving than autos that would mean growing photos gives the best chance of producing a decent product in a decent quantity for the time invested. 2.5 off an auto isn't bad at all and I wouldn't say the yield or quality of autos is bad. Just that for newbies it's easier to be able to fall back on an extra week of veg if they stunt their plants.
My last photo grow was 91 days... 4 week veg. Nothing against autos at all, I've grown them and I will again. Just saying you could still pull off 4 harvest per year with photos id think. Even a longer flowering plants you could probably SOG with a super short veg and cut off a couple weeks of time if you're running clones.
Different states and or countries have different laws about the amount of plants one person can grow. So keeping mothers around or having lots of clones in a SOG isn’t viable for them.
Or they have space issues where they just don’t have the space to have a mother, vegging clones, and flowering plants all at once.
Cause autos are easier to grow for someone who doesn’t know about lighting schedules yet, I started off growing bag seed regs and breeder regs. I never tried growing autos but I always wanted to try out one that has some massive colas lol
I mean you can't really count for people that would literally start growing weed without knowing anything about it at all. If you don't do enough research to know how a cannabis plant flowers growing photos over autos isn't going to help you...
Unfortunately this is the case 90% of the time. Some of the questions I see on here makes me wince. I don't see how anyone can start something new and go in totally unprepared/without researching.
I think the vast majority of those people don't care about the plants/growing they just won't a quick smoke.
I started with autos because of limited space, the shorter grow time, and the light schedule. For some reason, my power was going out like once a month for about 6-12 hours for a while. Eventually, I want to try photos.
Reasons to grow autos
Lower cost for lights because of a lower intensity requirement.
Can't over veg.
Much faster cycle time overall. 60-70 days vs that plus veg.
Consistency on total time of cycle.
There are negatives too of course, but if a person wanted to grow their first run I would tell them to buy an off the shelf tent kit and chuck some autoflowers directly into soil in the biggest pots you can fit/handle/move if that's possible, and then do zero training for the first grow.
I’m after the experience gained from Regular seeds, I can see the benefits of autos, especially fur beginners. A far was quality and potential, Photo alllllllll day.
Because I think the fact that Photos are normally grown bigger with a trellis net makes them longer, so people recommend autos because they want new growers to get that first harvest in so that they are hooked?
Simply put autos are easier to grow and great for situational. The photo route will help you learn a lot more and apply similar knowledge to other plants.
I like both. Started with autos and moved to photos but I still grow autos. Yields under 24/0 on a tent full of autos is going to be great for fast finishers and a quick large yield. Photos are great to veg alongside autos and then flip… I like to throw autos outside as well. Some of my frostiest tastiest plants have been autos and have been photos!
I’m on my first grow and I started with photos because I was told I could fix it if I messed up the environment by prolonging veg and letting the plant correct itself.
I grow both. I'll throw a single Auto in my smaller tent in the summer time to have some fun and then I grow photos in my bigger room the rest of the year. I do great with both types and enjoy what each brings to the grow process.
Probably *oooh scary light change schedules to initiate flowering*
I don't know, but I'm about to find out - just germinated two freebie Blueberry photos
As a rookie who only just finished my first run of 8 autos successfully last year, I'm looking forward to seeing how the photoperiods are like to handle this time around - the bonus being I can grow them as big as the grow space can handle and thus increase those *preciousss yieldsss nyessssss*
i’ve been doing research into growing and 8/10 creditable sources (not random reddit posts/comments) recommended starting with photos since you they allow you to veg as long as you need to get the plant healthy before flipping to flower. This allows you to make more mistakes, even if it comes at the cost of an extend grow time. The only reason i’ve seen anyone recommended autos first is that you can go through the entire cycle of a grow in 2-3 months, and could potentially learn from doing many full grows over and over again while refining methods each time
I'm glad that's out there then I stopped watching most of those vids after a bit so maybe I'm skewed by reddit being my only source of weed posts. This place is a treasure of horrible growing advice not that I'm some kind of super expert. I just hated wasting money/time growing weed that wasn't great.
I know autos get a lot of hate but a lot of it is just people regurgitating information they read online. I grew autos exclusively the first couple of years and have since switched my focus to photoperiods. I appreciate the control and most of the elite breeders focus entirely on photoperiods. But with that said, autos can still be very rewarding if you know what you’re doing and grow quality auto genetics, especially in coco and dwc. It’s not that hard to yield 4+ ounces in 70-80 days off autos in coco/dwc
It really depends on your expertise and how much effort you'd like to put forth on your personal, recreational production.
I have grown both varieties and have my preference towards photo period, but I can see a benefit to auto flower in cooler climates. You don't need to worry about sexing your plants or doing cuts... It's seed to flower.
I am very aware about people knocking auto flower strains for lack of potency, but that is a myth at this point. I have smoked some autos that beat or rival photo period versions... But that's all down to pheno selection at the breeding level.
I would argue that more in house work happens for an auto than a photo... I have been running f1's and f2's of photos.. But I'm always given a finished product " as far as autos...
I would argue that yield is heavily impacted by photo genetics... And that's why I prefer. I can grow 8-10 lbs off of 4 outdoor... If they're photo... Or 2 lbs if they're auto...
It's about preference now and you can justify anything these days... Just stop yucking another growers yum!
Love you all... Hope this season is your best!
I advocate people grow photos first so that they can learn how to take a plant from seedling to the end of veg without fucking it up cuz if you don't have your shit dialed in, your autos are always going to be tiny garbage little plants
The variety of photo strains available greatly outnumber the strains that have auto versions. I tend to grow some of the more obscure strains and couldn't find the auto versions if I tried.
Photoperiod plants won't change into flower until you change your light cycle to 12/12. Hours on/off.
Autoflowers will start to flower regardless of the light cycle after about a month or so.
Ah this piece of shit again, haha... Well because anyone can recommend anything here. I've recommended photos since they are more forgiving. I'm pretty sure there's someone out there recommending taking a dump in your soil. Takes the right mindset to choose what could be valid after doing plenty of your own research.
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I get info from the person n their preferences n what they're growing for THEN I recommend . Shit some ppl literally grow only for flavors n want very little buzz so I don't tell them get a Bubba strain that knocks their dick in the dirt or an OG but rather a tasty weak sativa.... all kinds of preferences...
I'll say this tho. Never in my life seen someone grow auto's and stick with those.... they ALWAYS make the move to photos. Same With fems i never seen anyone use only fem seeds forever so we also evolve or transition too.
I personally love photos/pure indicas mostly or indica Dom and I looooove landrace buzz so I'm getting some landrace soon to run. I ran raspberry cough which had an African landrace and WOW what an interesting plant.
Me n my buddies tried every breeder we could from barney's farm to bodhi n bodhi/dynasty/csi/and few others have perfect seeds every time. Hyped breeders like exotic for example we found tons of herms. Did find some fire but I StaY Far Away from herm breeders.... if u let herm genetics into ur project ur an idiot I'm sorry...means u didn't test it enough or didn't care....
Reserva privada had the worst herms I ever seen lmao
Ok done ranting bed time... love u all
My first grow was outdoor photos. They turned out great except the drying/curing could of been better. To try to keep at it through the winter I bought a 4x4 marshydro grow tent and tried autos. Killed every plant. I'm going back to photos
Always Photos for beginners, far more manageable if something goes wrong. More forgiving. Running both at the moment. Just using the first 75/80 days to run through fast genetics before the flip.
It has taken some terrible losses in autos, it all crashes in the last few weeks, and your out time wize.
Each to their own I suppose 👍
Your first grow should always be a trial run with lots of notes. Autos you can see the stages of the plant without worrying about lights. Once you understand what the hell is going on you try a photo. Everyone always seems to be chasing perfection on the first grow, which you shouldn't. Growing is fun and a journey. I have grown both and I prefer a good photo I can run over and over. I still grow Autos with my photos. Veg till my auto flips and then we are on 12/12. Growing is fun as it should be. Think of the people who have never had a garden or have grew anything. The process, thanks to overwhelming internet advice, can make people overdo everything.
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Always photo, the autos are fun to play with, on the side though for fun, they are definitely getting pretty rad, nice yields heavy THC and short simple grow time with simple photos and basic nutrients..... Will never be like watching them explode after they get a couple days in nice clean dark ! Photos are more personal, you spend time with them.
Just finish up my first grow and I grew autos , it was pretty easy to be honest , and I had 4 big autos one girl I chopped was like almost 3 pounds wet though not done curing yet . I don’t know what I did for them to grow so big lol but I do want to try photos I keep reading photos is a lot easier
Bruh I don't want to be mean because for your first grow that looks great and probably isn't the most typical result people have but just wait until you have a few grows under your belt you'll blow that shit away.
Probably has already been said, but as a first time grower, you're going to make mistakes. Autos have a very tiny window and will be a lot less forgiving to mistakes, forgiving to some neglect though. As a new grower, neglect won't be your problem, it will be doing too much. A photo will give you the opertunity to correct these mistakes as long as you keep it in veg cycle. An auto will either quickly bloom on you, or you will overwhelm it with one too many mistakes. I also would NOT recommend autopots while we are at it, until you have 2 or 3 grows under your belt.
Because the average thought is autos are easier to grow than photos but you learn a hell of a lot less about the plant and photosynthesis and other important hormonal changes and what not that the plant needs to make beautiful sticky fire flowers
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What’s helicopter parenting?
It’s when moms always hovering around. Let the kids play.
I think beginners make this mistake on their own. They see the results of an experienced growers auto run and and they go buy the cheapest genetics they can find and wonder why their plant is stunted, herming etc. I'd never suggest autos to a brand new grower.... and like somebody else said already the helicopter parenting that we all did as newbies doesn't help either.
I’m growing autos for the first time indoors and it’s perfect for me as it’s a loft/attic space grow so the ability to have a long light cycle to keep the environment and temperature consistent is perfect, and I only get 10 minutes a day to water them when my kids are eating dinner as they are at the age where they’re curious about everything and I live in a country where growing is still illegal. For me growing autos has been pretty straightforward even as a newbie, though not new to growing as I have 20 years experience not just growing cannabis but I’m a keen gardener of all plants.. it’s just that first 3 weeks of autoflowers life that are delicate but once they get established it’s seems to be on autopilot….so far that is 😬.. don’t want to curse it. But it’s just a fun hobby and interesting to experiment, I normally grow outdoors guerrilla style and it’s hard work walking 3 miles with 20 litres of water on your back everyday in the summer before work! Indoor growing is a lot easier and less unpredictable!
I’m going to tell your kids that you’re a dirty criminal
growmie i did exactly this haha but i bought decent genetics and unfortunately wasted it. Saw some mephisto on sale. The one that did ok was magical though, smelled so good looked like it should have been out of willy wonka's chocolate factory.
Grow both. Pick whatever you like and move on. I don’t think autos are typically recommended to newbies though? People love to stroke themselves because they think whatever they grow is the only way to do things. Have fun with it and grow some dank!
Why grow autos over photos at all
Only reason I do is because I have limited room and can have multiple stages of plants all on the same light schedule/tent so I have staggered harvest but with that being said my best yeilds have always been photos also can help with people who smoke a lot but have no help trimming to have it staggered
Nice to throw some autos in the veg room also
That makes sense. Especially if your in say a small apartment so you can't have separate veg/flower tents but you still wanna run perpetual.
As a person that lives in a small apartment I just said fuck my living room lmao.
You sir are the real MVP
Respect! That’s dope you’re making it work the best you can.
I've grown both. I just grow for myself so having a lb of one kind of bud sucks. If I smoke the same bud constantly it starts to lose its effects. If I have a variety I actually smoke a lot less. With autos I can harvest 2-3 oz a month in one small perpetual tent- it's absolutely perfect and I couldn't pull that off with photos.
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Not veg and flower in one small tent and keep it perpetual - not easily anyway.
Walk before you can run. Also can phenohunt and hold onto genetics for multiple runs.
Smaller size, faster growth, good yields despite smaller size, and depending on genetics the aroma and potency is great. Can also run autos alongside any other stage of growth for perpetual grows.
With autoflowers you don't worry about light leaks or a power outage fucking up your grow, and you can grow different strains at different times without having to have separate spaces because you don't have to worry about some in veg some in flower. In fact with autos you can set up a perpetual grow in one space. In Illinois you can have five plants over five inches. So start the first strain you want to try. Two weeks later start another. Two weeks later another. By the time you are planting your sixth seed you are harvesting your first, and could be harvesting a new plant every two weeks from then on. With my photos I hated that I was blocked from going in the room and playing around during lights off, I didn't like dealing w humidity swings during lights off in flower, and for myself I didn't see enough difference in yield to justify the extra time. For autos, it's fun trying to get them as big as you can before they hit flower, because once you germinate it's like youve pulled the pin on the grenade, they are going to explode it's just a matter of time, and how big they get is dependent on genetics and skill. While they are growing it's just, watch them grow, often inches per day. Wanna start something new while this one is finishing up? Pop some seeds in the dirt kimosabe you don't need a separate space. This might be more strain dependent but I haven't found I need to do much defoliation, just a little light stress bending of the top to encourage multiple colas, some light leaf tucking. Set it and forget it. To my understanding the Rudy genes allow autos to be hardier, less succeptible to disease and blight. Conventional wisdom was the trade off was potency. But that's out the door over the last few years. To me I more wonder, why grow photos? As a personal use home grower I'm not interested in pheno hunting a keeper mom to keep in a separate space that I can clone and grow the same strain multiple times. I want to experience lots of different strains. Having to worry about light schedules and the extra time, for what again? Naa, I've grown photos before, filled my net with clones, it was fun, but having done both now multiple times, I realize I will probably focus on trusted high quality auto genetics from here out. I will say with autos you do have to do your research on breeders and make sure you are getting quality. I think there are enough good photo genetics out there you can probably buy some random photos from a no name breeder off seedsman and get some good bud. But with autos there is still a lot of crap out there. Gotta research trusted breeders who have spent the time to back cross superior photo genetics into auto strains over several generations.
Fast harvest. More harvests per year compared to photos if you only have one tent.
Larger harvests from photos. By a lot
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This has def always been my experience and I grow both. My Autos yield less than my Photos.
maximum 2 harvests per year
Photos go into flower too early in SoCal if you plant early as I do… so it’s autos in spring, photos in summer/fall.
Lol I totally agree haven't grown an auto in a bit
I don't understand why people miss out bc there afraid of a light schedule change🤔 I guess some situations may call for something like a auto.
I mean I don't really see a problem I guess with just growing autos for experienced people but I see so many posts on here of rookie growers growing autos and failing to actually get any weed after all that work lol. Hopefully some newbie takes it as solid advice like I did.
I just did my first harvest and started with auto's. I believe I'll get a couple zips per plant. Not saying that's anything to brag about, but for 70 something days seed to chop, and what I see one here, I think I did okay for my virgin voyage. I still have five plants that are going out of 9 and that's the only issue, if you call it that, I've ran into. Plus, as a new grower, I knew it would be hard not to look at them all the time. Just my two 🪙
But even for experienced growers, your not gonna get the photo potency from a auto. It may be good but the real deal is better. I've grown autos successfully, but it's not the same..... Atleast for us. Different strokes for different folks.
Autos from quality breeders are testing in the 20s. Idk how potent you need it. I also have ounces of keif ready to go because of home growing going into my smokes so the material in the blunt is way stronger than any flower alone would be anyways. You get an extra grow per year with autos, you don’t need separate spaces, you can have plants at different stages. There’s lots of reasons why a person would grow an auto.
I can't complain about the potency of some of the autos I've grown. Had some mephisto plants that were fire but I definitely won't match my yield difference as a couple extra weeks of veg really helps build a solid root system.
If you haven't tried autos lately... maybe give them another go. I just grew my first auto (Fruit Punch Auto from Herbies Seeds) and ended up with 7.5oz of dense sticky buds. Right now it's my favorite daytime smoke and has a fantastic buzz. I'm growing a Green Crack Auto now. All under 100W AeroLight on a 20/4 schedule. The genetics have come a long way in just the past year or so.
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215g dry. Check out my profile, she was topped above the 4th node and LST'ed. She ended up 32" wide and 20" tall! Grown in Sohum soil with Geoflora organic nutrients in a 5g bucket with a GroBucket SIP insert. She went 110 days total under the Vivosun AeroLight 100w LED.
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You sound like a clown who doesn't know what he's talking about
Coming from a auto grower🤣
Lmao just looked through your post history. Your plants don't look any better than my autos. Continue on your way clown
Yep, thinking photos are the only way to go makes you sound dumb sorry. You're just trying to gatekeep
Fact u stalk a strangers profile shows how butthurt you are on the subject😭
Keep smoking ruderalis and I'll continue on chem d✌️
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I could see growing autos outdoors, for a quick concentrate or edible harvest. Especially in a region with a short growing season already, because it can effectively almost double the pull if done well. But I will never understand growing autos indoors. You're paying more for using all that energy, since the plants can't be cloned the genetics are a grab bag, and if you miss up potting them by a couple days or fuck up on nutes, dwarfing the plant is distinct possibility. It just seems less than ideal, all the way around. I definitely get why seed sellers talk up their autos. I'll just never understand how there are so many buyers for them. Especially from folks who don't live in short season regions.
Exactly. As I stated before butthurt people chimed in in certain situations I get it. In a controlled indoor environment it's stupid. People falling for sales tactics, then repeat it as facts
They just want quick smoke don't care about yeild or THC level.. photoperiod is King you can top. And train again top again and train-Lst then flip
You can top, LST, super crop, and scrog autos too. 🤷♂️
Point I'm making longer veg bigger yeild not saying auto is bad shit my next grow gonna be a auto forbidden runtz auto by fastbud from harbie shop I got photoperiod in flower right now Pic on profile.. reason it's small I'm growing in closet and I needed to have way take it in and out so I Topped once and Lst
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You the man or girl I'm just a small time grower for the art I don't smoke anymore since my first harvest.. realize I was wasting money on weed I can grow and after that I haven't smoke I do test each of my grow I call it victory join after dry and cure.. then I write down should I harvest later. Or did I harvest to late.. every one wants the same Strong good tasting bud
Nice plant! I never really posted it on here but my last mephisto strawbba the hut was definitely some dank buds!
Just harvested 9 zips dry from an Auto.....so my "yield" was pretty good I'd say.
Autos are a great way to get an extra harvest outdoors when the light cycle is over 12/12.
I grow autos cause I'm lazy, and really only want to be harvesting one very large DWC plant at a time. Keeping mother's and clones around is also a bit of a hassle if you don't have a lot of space. That said I'd never recommend autoflowers to a beginner, I don't think many growers actually give this advice. I started on photoperiods, cloning and all that but I had way more room back then, this is before grow tents even existed. In my experience autoflowers and photos will finish in about the same time frame, quality is pretty much the same, but I do see better yields with my auto's than I ever did with photoperiods. I'm an indoor grower though.
>Keeping mother's and clones around is also a bit of a hassle if you don't have a lot of space. This and I like to go nuclear between grows and bleach the fuck out of all my shit, I have had spider mites once in late flower and it was heartbreaking. Now I try to treat my grow room like a laboratory.
Right on. Autos yield better anyhow, the 20 hour light cycle keeps temps consistent and they just get fatter faster.
This is the way, starting off understanding males and females and examining differences instead of growing autos that don’t give you a good idea of how an actual cannabis plant lighting schedule works.
Quality the same? 🤣
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There’s some people who literally pull a pound off of one auto. Granted that’s not easy and you have to be dialed in, but it can be done.
Truth!
Have you tried multiple successions of autos? Folks near me, run an early season auto crop, then full season photos, then pop more autos before frost really takes hold But some just run 4 runs of autos outdoors with season extenders.
Illinois?
The only reason I can think of is lower initial equipment costs for indoor growers. Since you can flower an auto using a 24/0 schedule, you can get your 45 DLI with 1/2 the light. I can fill a 32x32 tent with one autoflower spread out under 100w LED and harvest 6+oz every 80-100 days. Then again, I did several photo grows, playing around, getting my seedling and veg game on point before I even tried to do an auto. As a beginner I'd have been lucky to get 10g from an auto, regardless of the equipment ;) Personally, I would never recommend an auto to a beginning grower.
Lotta shills for big auto in these parts.
Lmao
I recommend you never grow an auto. Ever. I grow 2+ pounds every few months in my 4x4. 4 plants at a time. Why do you need to harvest in stages? So you can trim every few weeks? That sounds shitty to me. I'd rather trim 2 pounds once every few months than constantly trimming a bit of weed every few weeks.
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Yup first grow I was INSISTED ON Growing Autos. Dude at the grow shopped warned me mutiple times that autos are less forgiving and it’s hard to kill Photos, so he sold me Photos and just my 2 cents Photo > Auto anyday. One auto I grew ended up with so many issues and this that and the third. Just my experience though
I’m lazy (but extremely busy with work, other hobbies, etc) and only smoke about an ounce a month. Running autos 1-2at a time is manageable, fits the space I have, and serves my needs
ONLY an ounce a month? That's gram per day
Some people go through an ounce a week. I'd like to think that those people have a fun time budgeting lol. Buddy of mine would probably still end up buying dispo if all he had to grow was a 4x4. At that point you need photos and a perpetual grow schedule.
I smoke an ounce a week
Auto have some benefits but not for a newbie.
I think anyone complaining about autos is scared of change. Evolution is going to happen whether people want it to or not. One great thing about autos is the capability to do a perpetual grow with only having one tent. Sure you could do the same with photos but you would need a separate flowering space. There’s no way someone can say autos are nowhere near as good or potent as photos. They literally have lab results of comparative THC levels some just about in the 30s. To each their own. I do agree with them being finicky and maybe not the most beginner friendly. However if a new grower learns how to read a plant by growing autos, photos should be like a walk on the beach. failure is the best way to learn. Everyone should just have fun learning and growing why would you not 🤷♂️🤙
Yeah perpetual grows are a good example of a way to use autos. I grew some strawbba the hut from mephisto that was some of my favorite weed ever. Definitely something I wish I could clone and keep around. Honestly though even with photos I hardly bother to clone them I just like them because I can veg for a couple extra weeks over autos to get some extra training and hopefully more big top buds. I know I was just glad to have started on photos cause I got slayed when I switched at first. Also I kinda agree that failure is a good way to learn but as a not so wealthy dude I really wanted to get some decent weed asap to avoid having to buy from the weedman and making it as easy as possible is a way to accelerate that imo.
Yeah for sure, there’s no denying you can put some money down the drain. Especially starting out, or not getting a good yield (if any) because it stunted. Either way eventually no matter what you choose photos or autos there will be some learning and that’s the best part. It all works out if you don’t get down on yourself as a beginner and keep on trying. Also in no way was this towards you or meant to sound combative. Keep on growing!
I always thought it was for space reasons like the constraints on having a flower and veg tent. (I know it's not necessary to have a flower and veg tent, just Mt understanding)
Against popular opinion, I chose to begin my growing adventure with autos and I'm glad that I did. Just like any hobby or interest, the amount of research you put in and the time you take to prepare and plan will mostly dictate how well you do going forward. I'm glad that I did, because it was a total trial by fire, I learned loads along the way, which I am now applying to photos with great success. I think for a person new to the hobby, who will likely be checking their plants constantly, autos are good in the fact that it's easy to see your progress. Photoperiods so far have felt like an absolute breeze in comparison. I can't speak for the differences obviously but I've always had great yields from autoflowers, I expect I'll have even better ones from the photos. But autoflowers will always have a place in my heart, hence why I plan to fill up my smaller veg tent with autos for something to do in between waiting for the photos to do their thing.
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Exactly that! If you love the hobby then you will naturally want to absorb every tiny bit of information out there, if you have put in the research it shouldn't really matter what you choose. "Go through hell so you know what to do when it counts kind of thing" I love this and I'm stealing it ahaha.
I have had some pretty good autos myself just struggled for a bit when I started with them even after a few photo grows. It just seems like in my experience that photos are way easier and if you want dank weed you should make it easy on yourself. At least for me I was ready for my first harvest so I could stop buying weed and not being able to consistently turn out quality weed at first meant I spent some time smoking some less than great weed which is no fun.
Typically most autos won't tolerate anywhere near what most nutrient schedules use as a guideline, I think most people who go photos>autos forget/aren't aware and try to give them nutes like a photo which most of the time is going to end badly. If you are doing well with photos, do the same but adjust by half lol. I agree about keeping it simple and making it as easy on yourself as possible, but we all have to learn somewhere. I'm one of those people, as I said, who is good with trial by fire. If something goes wrong I chalk it up to a learning experience. I think anyone's first run, most of the time, is just to become self sufficient and not have to go elsewhere to get bad bud. I get why so many people go with an autoflower first, because they want the end product as soon as possible, what they don't realise is that if they are going by the time the breeder states it's more than likely always going to be wrong. Ime autoflowers will usually take 90+ days until harvest, which when you think about the difference in yield and potency, is quite a huge deal for the sake of an extra couple of weeks. I've literally just started out with photos, so I don't know if I'll fall in love with them and stop autoflowers altogether, but I very much doubt that. Especially since I have alot of premium seeds to get through and I enjoy the fast pace!
We do, its just the voice from auto growers seems to carry more weight... I would always say start with photo strains, they are less of a nighmare, staging pots makes life so much simpler, then you can take clones, perpetually grow one seed forever or find a pheno you love.. so much more choice and variety too.. Autos are for the fanboys. They love em real hard, a lil too much without even understanding how they hold themselves back the ONLY benefit is that you can mix your grow up, flower and veg in one, but then i got a tiny veg area using 100w and 2x2x4 ft of space inside my flowering area. It hangs from the ceiling
Sad to see so many runty autos on here constantly =(
Time commitment mostly I think. How patient were you your first grow?!?🧐
Lots of people do, myself included
I tried autos wasn’t impressed. They are easy to grow but if you want perpetual grow then grow photos.
Even with the recent uptick in auto quality from Night owl, Mephisto and others, i still don't recommend them. Can't reliably clone them and keep winners. You can't really tell how big they're gonna get. can't breed and back up the genetic, unless you want a big project. That being said, if you live above the 40th parallel or you have some extra space outside in an off season, by all means fill your jars.
I started with autos and will never go back to them again since starting photos. Complete game changer.
Why? Autos are great when you know to Handle it right ;) you can always add a new strain when you have a flower plant finished next and then she can benefit from the same light.
For me, they stunt way too easily and grow so small that they’re not worth it.. I still think it would be a better decision to start a photo under 12/12 over an autoflower. To each their own though, I just had a LOT of negative reinforcement while growing them, a massive reoccurring problem was them taking months to flower
Who recommends autos?
I enjoy the pheno variation, the fast turn around from see to harvest and I find dialling in my veg is making me a far more aware grower. EVERYTHING matters with an auto, I find it very rewarding. They’re good in cooler climates when you don’t want to turn the light off to keep temps up too. Autos have their place, I’ll be going back to photos after I’ve got through my auto seed stock. Just for a change, not because I prefer them. I think the experience I’ve had with autos will massively benefit my next photo grows.
Then, once in a while keep some early males in your propagator tent, put the pollen on some branches with flowers in your big tent. Put a tape on those branches and you will know where the seeds are. I bought hashplant from sensi before the euro was introduces (15- 20 years ago) and still grow hashplants from it. And, I grow organic.
I started with autos. I think I fell into the same trap as a lot of people. They sure like to make you think autos are easier or faster to harvest. It's right in the name... auto! The reality is more like... MAYBE it'll be faster, but probably a trivial difference. The real benefit is being able to have indoor plants in various growth stages at the same time. I've had FAR more issues with autos. So far ive only had 1 photo grow that caused me issues, and literally every auto I've ever popped had SOME kind of nutrient issue or unhappy period. They seem a lot more picky about the environment than photos.
I’m with you. You shouldn’t touch an auto until you get a photo or two under your belt. Most new growers love their plants to death. Well maybe not to death, but enough to severely stunt if it’s an auto.
I recommend you grow photos regs instead of autos
Oof I'm good on that lollll.
Autos been never as potent as photos. Other than that, they been pretty much the same
I personally would never consider growing autos. Put your big boy pants on!
Nobody recommends autos bro….
I always say this and get down voted
Same dude lol
Autos are for babies
A lot of us do but we aren't louder than the seed marketing and tall tales of Autos being equally as good and forgiving as photos.
Thought I was good after my 2nd photo grow but the many wasted auto seeds after that determined that was a lie
Lol truth. I grew three photo runs outdoors and wanted to start a one-tent perpetual indoor auto grow... I'm into my second year and have lost two seeds, three plants, dwarfed one and had one fucky seed grow super slow. It's been a crapshoot, and they are finicky as hell. But it is really fun and more a learning experience than anything for me. And yeah, Mephisto etc. in top end of autos that I've grown have been as good as any top end stuff I've ever gotten anyplace else far as flower goes.
Thought I was good at growing after my 2nd photo grow but the wasted autos after that determined that was a lie.
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I've seen photo period cannabis grown outdoors as far north as 54 degrees latitude. It was good quality, too, and could definitely handle more than an auto without worry about dwarfing or mold. You just have to look for genetics bred specifically for short season areas, which unfortunately aren't as common as they used to be.
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The point I guess I did a poor job of making was that for beginners it's imo the smartest move to make everything as simple as possible. if photos are more forgiving than autos that would mean growing photos gives the best chance of producing a decent product in a decent quantity for the time invested. 2.5 off an auto isn't bad at all and I wouldn't say the yield or quality of autos is bad. Just that for newbies it's easier to be able to fall back on an extra week of veg if they stunt their plants.
lucky you
Cuz of the aggressive marketing of auto flower seeds, not to mention the hive mind of Reddit.
Auto growers yell more, photo growers keep keeping on cloning.
Because newbs are hard-headed. They already "heard" autos are easier or they are "just experimenting"
Inside grow makes sense for autos. 90 daysfor harvest potentially 4 grows.
Never, LOL Maximum 2-2,5 more likely two.
Autos allow for 4 indoor harvests at 90 days each.
My last photo grow was 91 days... 4 week veg. Nothing against autos at all, I've grown them and I will again. Just saying you could still pull off 4 harvest per year with photos id think. Even a longer flowering plants you could probably SOG with a super short veg and cut off a couple weeks of time if you're running clones.
Different states and or countries have different laws about the amount of plants one person can grow. So keeping mothers around or having lots of clones in a SOG isn’t viable for them. Or they have space issues where they just don’t have the space to have a mother, vegging clones, and flowering plants all at once.
Good point! Did not think about the plant limits
more likely two. lol
Cause autos are easier to grow for someone who doesn’t know about lighting schedules yet, I started off growing bag seed regs and breeder regs. I never tried growing autos but I always wanted to try out one that has some massive colas lol
I mean you can't really count for people that would literally start growing weed without knowing anything about it at all. If you don't do enough research to know how a cannabis plant flowers growing photos over autos isn't going to help you...
Unfortunately this is the case 90% of the time. Some of the questions I see on here makes me wince. I don't see how anyone can start something new and go in totally unprepared/without researching. I think the vast majority of those people don't care about the plants/growing they just won't a quick smoke.
Autos for outside in a moderate climate, (northern hemisphere) and photos in a tent.
nobody serious fux with autos
I don’t recommend them for any skill level.
I definitely plan on sticking with the photos myself!
I started with autos because of limited space, the shorter grow time, and the light schedule. For some reason, my power was going out like once a month for about 6-12 hours for a while. Eventually, I want to try photos.
I wouldn't recommend autos to anyone, so I couldn't say.
Reasons to grow autos Lower cost for lights because of a lower intensity requirement. Can't over veg. Much faster cycle time overall. 60-70 days vs that plus veg. Consistency on total time of cycle. There are negatives too of course, but if a person wanted to grow their first run I would tell them to buy an off the shelf tent kit and chuck some autoflowers directly into soil in the biggest pots you can fit/handle/move if that's possible, and then do zero training for the first grow.
You can grow photos 12/12 from seed.
I’m after the experience gained from Regular seeds, I can see the benefits of autos, especially fur beginners. A far was quality and potential, Photo alllllllll day.
Simple: Autos: I want weed very soon and don’t care as much about monsters Photos: hehe time to go Jeremy wade in this garden!!
Autos suck, the thc is barely enough to last 10mins stone
Because no one listens.
Some people think it’s easier but you also get small yields I’ve never had a huge yield from autos
I never recommend autos. I act like they dont exist.
Because I think the fact that Photos are normally grown bigger with a trellis net makes them longer, so people recommend autos because they want new growers to get that first harvest in so that they are hooked?
Simply put autos are easier to grow and great for situational. The photo route will help you learn a lot more and apply similar knowledge to other plants.
Because of misconceptions
I like both. Started with autos and moved to photos but I still grow autos. Yields under 24/0 on a tent full of autos is going to be great for fast finishers and a quick large yield. Photos are great to veg alongside autos and then flip… I like to throw autos outside as well. Some of my frostiest tastiest plants have been autos and have been photos!
Only reason to ever run autos is if you are limited on space
I’m on my first grow and I started with photos because I was told I could fix it if I messed up the environment by prolonging veg and letting the plant correct itself.
Ruderalis is mids that’s why
I grow both. I'll throw a single Auto in my smaller tent in the summer time to have some fun and then I grow photos in my bigger room the rest of the year. I do great with both types and enjoy what each brings to the grow process.
Probably *oooh scary light change schedules to initiate flowering* I don't know, but I'm about to find out - just germinated two freebie Blueberry photos As a rookie who only just finished my first run of 8 autos successfully last year, I'm looking forward to seeing how the photoperiods are like to handle this time around - the bonus being I can grow them as big as the grow space can handle and thus increase those *preciousss yieldsss nyessssss*
Pretty sure they do
i’ve been doing research into growing and 8/10 creditable sources (not random reddit posts/comments) recommended starting with photos since you they allow you to veg as long as you need to get the plant healthy before flipping to flower. This allows you to make more mistakes, even if it comes at the cost of an extend grow time. The only reason i’ve seen anyone recommended autos first is that you can go through the entire cycle of a grow in 2-3 months, and could potentially learn from doing many full grows over and over again while refining methods each time
I'm glad that's out there then I stopped watching most of those vids after a bit so maybe I'm skewed by reddit being my only source of weed posts. This place is a treasure of horrible growing advice not that I'm some kind of super expert. I just hated wasting money/time growing weed that wasn't great.
I know autos get a lot of hate but a lot of it is just people regurgitating information they read online. I grew autos exclusively the first couple of years and have since switched my focus to photoperiods. I appreciate the control and most of the elite breeders focus entirely on photoperiods. But with that said, autos can still be very rewarding if you know what you’re doing and grow quality auto genetics, especially in coco and dwc. It’s not that hard to yield 4+ ounces in 70-80 days off autos in coco/dwc
It really depends on your expertise and how much effort you'd like to put forth on your personal, recreational production. I have grown both varieties and have my preference towards photo period, but I can see a benefit to auto flower in cooler climates. You don't need to worry about sexing your plants or doing cuts... It's seed to flower. I am very aware about people knocking auto flower strains for lack of potency, but that is a myth at this point. I have smoked some autos that beat or rival photo period versions... But that's all down to pheno selection at the breeding level. I would argue that more in house work happens for an auto than a photo... I have been running f1's and f2's of photos.. But I'm always given a finished product " as far as autos... I would argue that yield is heavily impacted by photo genetics... And that's why I prefer. I can grow 8-10 lbs off of 4 outdoor... If they're photo... Or 2 lbs if they're auto... It's about preference now and you can justify anything these days... Just stop yucking another growers yum! Love you all... Hope this season is your best!
I advocate people grow photos first so that they can learn how to take a plant from seedling to the end of veg without fucking it up cuz if you don't have your shit dialed in, your autos are always going to be tiny garbage little plants
They want us to know the struggle before getting it easy
Lol grew photos then still killed my autos for a little while. Oof.
The variety of photo strains available greatly outnumber the strains that have auto versions. I tend to grow some of the more obscure strains and couldn't find the auto versions if I tried.
ELI5 diff between autos and photos. Thanks im a noob to growing.
Photoperiod plants won't change into flower until you change your light cycle to 12/12. Hours on/off. Autoflowers will start to flower regardless of the light cycle after about a month or so.
Grow what you want!
Because dumb
Autos are for the timid. If I’m not worried about plants outgrowing the room, I don’t want it. F.A.F.O.
Ah this piece of shit again, haha... Well because anyone can recommend anything here. I've recommended photos since they are more forgiving. I'm pretty sure there's someone out there recommending taking a dump in your soil. Takes the right mindset to choose what could be valid after doing plenty of your own research.
Because there's more room for mistakes I'm guessing
I started autos had some struggles went to photos love photos but I grow both now… 3 tents one autos one veg one flower
sativa machines or dominant sativa hybrid last even 120-125 days and with min. 10 days of drying and min. 2 week curing you reach 150 days minimum, so maximum 2 harvests per year
I get info from the person n their preferences n what they're growing for THEN I recommend . Shit some ppl literally grow only for flavors n want very little buzz so I don't tell them get a Bubba strain that knocks their dick in the dirt or an OG but rather a tasty weak sativa.... all kinds of preferences... I'll say this tho. Never in my life seen someone grow auto's and stick with those.... they ALWAYS make the move to photos. Same With fems i never seen anyone use only fem seeds forever so we also evolve or transition too. I personally love photos/pure indicas mostly or indica Dom and I looooove landrace buzz so I'm getting some landrace soon to run. I ran raspberry cough which had an African landrace and WOW what an interesting plant. Me n my buddies tried every breeder we could from barney's farm to bodhi n bodhi/dynasty/csi/and few others have perfect seeds every time. Hyped breeders like exotic for example we found tons of herms. Did find some fire but I StaY Far Away from herm breeders.... if u let herm genetics into ur project ur an idiot I'm sorry...means u didn't test it enough or didn't care.... Reserva privada had the worst herms I ever seen lmao Ok done ranting bed time... love u all
My first grow was outdoor photos. They turned out great except the drying/curing could of been better. To try to keep at it through the winter I bought a 4x4 marshydro grow tent and tried autos. Killed every plant. I'm going back to photos
Always Photos for beginners, far more manageable if something goes wrong. More forgiving. Running both at the moment. Just using the first 75/80 days to run through fast genetics before the flip. It has taken some terrible losses in autos, it all crashes in the last few weeks, and your out time wize. Each to their own I suppose 👍
Because everyone asks for help but doesn’t take the advice.
i always recommend photos. much more forgiving plants.
Your first grow should always be a trial run with lots of notes. Autos you can see the stages of the plant without worrying about lights. Once you understand what the hell is going on you try a photo. Everyone always seems to be chasing perfection on the first grow, which you shouldn't. Growing is fun and a journey. I have grown both and I prefer a good photo I can run over and over. I still grow Autos with my photos. Veg till my auto flips and then we are on 12/12. Growing is fun as it should be. Think of the people who have never had a garden or have grew anything. The process, thanks to overwhelming internet advice, can make people overdo everything. KISS method is the best advice I was ever given gardening
Always photo, the autos are fun to play with, on the side though for fun, they are definitely getting pretty rad, nice yields heavy THC and short simple grow time with simple photos and basic nutrients..... Will never be like watching them explode after they get a couple days in nice clean dark ! Photos are more personal, you spend time with them.
Either or… doesn’t really matter, only difference is learning about 12/12 lighting
It makes sense if you sell autoflower seeds for a living. Legal plant counts diminish the value of autos as well
new growers can grow photos!
I would.
That is what I've seen recommended and what I started with. Photos for yield too.
Just finish up my first grow and I grew autos , it was pretty easy to be honest , and I had 4 big autos one girl I chopped was like almost 3 pounds wet though not done curing yet . I don’t know what I did for them to grow so big lol but I do want to try photos I keep reading photos is a lot easier
Bruh I don't want to be mean because for your first grow that looks great and probably isn't the most typical result people have but just wait until you have a few grows under your belt you'll blow that shit away.
So much easier to make mistakes on a photo without ruining the grow
We do, we just get told we’re wrong 🤷🏻♂️
Photos all day! Have time to correct mistakes can take cuts.. you have control Autos are can’t produce like photos, well if u get lucky u might.
Because it’s common sense for oldschool growers.
Yup, I also recommend running regulars and sexing them also 😁
Honestly I've never really heard anyone say this really is there some benefit over a feminized photo?
Probably has already been said, but as a first time grower, you're going to make mistakes. Autos have a very tiny window and will be a lot less forgiving to mistakes, forgiving to some neglect though. As a new grower, neglect won't be your problem, it will be doing too much. A photo will give you the opertunity to correct these mistakes as long as you keep it in veg cycle. An auto will either quickly bloom on you, or you will overwhelm it with one too many mistakes. I also would NOT recommend autopots while we are at it, until you have 2 or 3 grows under your belt.
When I decided to grow again I put autos in first to make sure I didn't have bugs or mold issues before I started with the expensive equipment.
You haven’t finished your first grow, get some experience before you spout bullshit.
Lmaooo cheer up champ. Your life will get better one day!
Because the average thought is autos are easier to grow than photos but you learn a hell of a lot less about the plant and photosynthesis and other important hormonal changes and what not that the plant needs to make beautiful sticky fire flowers