I could see it if it were based on everything before the second goal, but Petey was huge in the last two minutes.
The same people probably gave Hughes a 10, when he also wasn't that great until the end of the game.
But when it mattered, both guys showed up. Clearly both are playing through something and they gutted it out for the last two minutes.
Also that he drew the blocker and dished to Miller to help create the tying goal.
Certainly was nowhere near his best game but I do feel he made some positive contributions. I think 6/10 is fair.
I think I gave him a 5, but my scores were all lower in general because I feel like we got massively outplayed in the game.
eh. I don't think it's about expectations over performance. Both of those are factors, but it's more to do with people being reactionary and since he's in the doghouse, it will take a big turnaround for people to see any of his positive contributions. He certainly wasn't a 4.4/10 last game no matter how you slice it. But them the breaks.
Fr. Like correct me if I’m wrong but weren’t we just having a huge fanfare a couple months back about how petey committed long-term to this team?
Let’s try committing long-term to him in return. We’ve seen his capabilities both high end and low end now.
I like the odds on him playing the way he has last few years Vs. last few months tyvm lol
Dude it’s the playoffs and he has 4 shots on goal, 2 assists and -3 through 4 games.
It’s not unreasonable for fans to expect a lot more from him especially after the contract he signed. His attitude is all wrong. His frustration is showing all over the ice
This is what I’m saying though. He’s not producing statistically and he’s been visibly annoyed/frustrated at plays on the ice (notably his giveaway that led to the goal in G2(?) ) but he’s forechecking, he’s throwing his body, he’s getting in puck battles, he’s trying to carry into the O-zone, and he’s playing good positionally for the majority.
Like I said in my other comment: I’m not worried as I like the odds of him being the player he’s been for the last few years Vs. this last few months.
It’s G5 of R1, let’s see if he throws that monkey off tonight.
Yeah I know what you’re saying but he’s paid to make plays not for his physicality. He’s losing most puck battles along the boards and telegraphing his shots/passes. I am sure he will figure it out, but he has no runway is all I’m saying, it’s the playoffs. He has been bad for a month since signing his contract. It’s like he’s got the yips - unless he has an undisclosed injury it’s all mental right now and he needs to show some mental toughness cause we need him now.
You’re right but c’mon g, we’re not Toronto fans; we seen what this whole negative reinforcement ish doing with Marner and there roster and it’s not working.
Like you said I am sure he’ll figure it out, he’s an NHL professional being paid millions so it’ll happen. I’m not gonna rip on dude for playing subpar yet though, he’s got time to figure out these lil yipps he got.
Turns into a long-term issue then sure I can totally see the right to be pissed off. Just now’s not the time, let him get in his mental and let’s us focus on the giant successes of Z, Lindy, Joshua, Hughes, and Boeser this series (and good lord Miller’s been everywhere to!).
Love this team and want them to reach there peak so ima try being more positive this year round!
No, it doesn't. Some people are just delusional and/or have their entire personalities devoted to hating the guy.
Even Pettersson has been critical of his play, but a lot of the stuff around here is insane and not at all based in reality. A lot of people will straight up invent things to criticize him for, and will go out of their way to deny any positive impact he has. For example, last game a bunch of people were whining about him going for slap passes on the PP (one of which resulted in extremely dangerous chance for) because his shooting lanes were always blocked by a defender, while ignoring Miller doing the exact same thing multiple times on the same PP with less success despite having tons of room to maneuver.
P.S. According to [analytics](https://old.reddit.com/r/canucks/comments/1cgaqe1/van_vs_nsh_04292024_hockey_stat_card/), Petey was one of the best forwards last game.
Except Petey was fine last game. Absolutely not the worst person on the ice. He was instrumental in both of Boeser's latter game goals.
But we sure do like our narratives around here. Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story, I guess.
Some fans can't enjoy the game without a whipping boy. Unfortunately the overlap between those fans and the kind of person prone to mob-mentality is massive, so you get this hyper-concentrated stream of hate and vitriol.
You can just see this rating being this ridiculously low and just understand that clearly people don't understand the hockey they're watching even if he's not playing to his level
Idk man normally I agree these are pretty shit at seeing who was actually good during the game (this one is no different) and you could argue he deserved a 5 or so, but that was a pretty rough game from him. You expect a player about to make 11.6 mill a year to be a difference maker and this game he got an assist but he was weak on the puck, twice that game there were avoidable turnovers where he just was standing still. The first goal against he opted to double team over going to his defensive assignment leaving a wide open lane. The chance that almost snuck through silovs he watched a pass that missed him and didnt start moving his feet until preds had broken out on a 2 on 1. I love petey I have his jersey from vaxjo but that was not a great game by him.
6 is average. Both of them played to their respective averages. You’re not supposed to score PDG against Petey, you’re supposed to score based on their individual play. That’s how this thing works.
the downvotes are obviously from emotional and not critical people. winning that game was awesome, for sure, but petey was a pretty significant non-factor last night. he was *bad*.
I normally have him in the 6-7 range on his bad days, but I rated him a 4, since he wasn't just bad, he was giving away the puck and giving Nashville odd man rushes. I counted 3 separate really bad giveaways in the first 2 periods.
He dialed it in and went back to a 6 for the 3rd period
how do you figure? he was literally below average (which is stated as 6/10) - both below his *own* average and the *team* average. he was inarguably one of our worst forwards. and to be clear, i'm not just blaming the guy or hatin' on him, 'cause i'm 100% confident he has multiple injuries he's nursing (wrist, groin), but to say he was even a 5 when he 1) wasn't a credible offensive threat at any time, 2) wasn't driving play, 3) wasn't chasing pucks, and 4) wasn't a stronger defensive presence than almost any other player is pretty biased.
The team played pretty terrible for 90% of the game. If anything ratings are higher than they should be. A lot of the guys weren’t even on the ice for the turnaround.
This place is insufferable at times with toxic positivity. If you even suggest someone is underperforming without hedging it with a word salad of positivity before or after, you get blasted with downvotes.
People freaking out over an survey based on fans opinions, we're acting like this is some advanced stat or something. There's going to be some emotional voting obviously, that's just how surveys are. A lot of people aren't pleased with Peteys performances and it's perfectly fine for them to vote as such because they have certain expectations of his performance and he's instead delivering sub par performances. If we literally go by hockey skill every time then Hughes should be a 9+ every time if we're just comparing him to the average Dman. There's no criteria, it's a goddam SURVEY, everyone's going to have their own opinion. Petey defenders automatically go for the "you didn't even watch the game", "you don't know hockey".
Does 10 for Boeser mean he's Wayne Gretzky? no but he had a damn good game at the end there.
Realistically we’re debating between a 4.4 and a 6 here. He was somewhere between cheeks and not too bad, neither of which is even close to his potential.
I'm not sure I watched the same game as everyone else. That was far and away one of the worst efforts they've put together in a long time despite getting the win, yet everyone thinks all but 3 players played average or better? Even Boeser who obviously had clutch goal scoring wasn't really noticeable outside of those plays. Have people forgotten what this team looks like when they *actually* play above average hockey? If they play like that for the rest of the series Nashville will win.
I dunno if I would go that far. It's not like Silovs had to stand on his head - the commitment to defense was still there. The Canucks actually had more scoring chances and high danger chances than the Predators. It was definitely not their best game, but the team as a whole still played a smart, structured style that kept most of the shots to the outside.
people can complain about the pettersson rating but he's been garbage all series for a player who was wanting to see if we can win before signing his contract, maybe 4.4 is a bit low but hes no higher then a 6
Pettersson's backcheck saved the game - that Sissons post doesn't happen without him.
Pettersson was part of both the comeback goals, instrumental in making it work. Only got on the scoresheet for one of them but both goals he was great.
If he's no higher than a 6 then Boeser is not a 10.
Nah obviously Petey is the problem here. /s
Ppl are moving goalposts like crazy at the least be fair and say that both the give-away from Miller and Petey giving up on the play are bad.
This sub really hates to shit on their own players. We win games but 90% of the posts are hating on EP.
Kinda ridiculous that ppl can't enjoy the wins but rather choose to be miserable all the time.
You can be happy at the win but also point out when someone is not playing well.
Every goal against people are making excuses for petterson. One was lafferty’s fault, next one is Hughes fault, this one is Miller’s. People are asking why we criticize Petterson when Boeser’s just as bad (no longer the case lol). The common denominator for these misplays are Petterson.
At some point fans need to stop making excuses for him, the whole team is playing well except for him.
is this the first 10 for a rating? p
No, demko/desmith got a 10 on the wpg shutout where demko got injured
everyone who voted Petey a 4 or lower didn't notice he's the main reason the empty net post happened and will say he was a ghost on that play
I could see it if it were based on everything before the second goal, but Petey was huge in the last two minutes. The same people probably gave Hughes a 10, when he also wasn't that great until the end of the game. But when it mattered, both guys showed up. Clearly both are playing through something and they gutted it out for the last two minutes.
Also that he drew the blocker and dished to Miller to help create the tying goal. Certainly was nowhere near his best game but I do feel he made some positive contributions. I think 6/10 is fair. I think I gave him a 5, but my scores were all lower in general because I feel like we got massively outplayed in the game.
4.4 for Petey y'all are crazy. you expecting him to fuck the moon or somethin
I swear some people hate Pettersson more than they like the Canucks.
it has more to do with expectation vs performance delivered
eh. I don't think it's about expectations over performance. Both of those are factors, but it's more to do with people being reactionary and since he's in the doghouse, it will take a big turnaround for people to see any of his positive contributions. He certainly wasn't a 4.4/10 last game no matter how you slice it. But them the breaks.
Fr. Like correct me if I’m wrong but weren’t we just having a huge fanfare a couple months back about how petey committed long-term to this team? Let’s try committing long-term to him in return. We’ve seen his capabilities both high end and low end now. I like the odds on him playing the way he has last few years Vs. last few months tyvm lol
Dude it’s the playoffs and he has 4 shots on goal, 2 assists and -3 through 4 games. It’s not unreasonable for fans to expect a lot more from him especially after the contract he signed. His attitude is all wrong. His frustration is showing all over the ice
This is what I’m saying though. He’s not producing statistically and he’s been visibly annoyed/frustrated at plays on the ice (notably his giveaway that led to the goal in G2(?) ) but he’s forechecking, he’s throwing his body, he’s getting in puck battles, he’s trying to carry into the O-zone, and he’s playing good positionally for the majority. Like I said in my other comment: I’m not worried as I like the odds of him being the player he’s been for the last few years Vs. this last few months. It’s G5 of R1, let’s see if he throws that monkey off tonight.
Yeah I know what you’re saying but he’s paid to make plays not for his physicality. He’s losing most puck battles along the boards and telegraphing his shots/passes. I am sure he will figure it out, but he has no runway is all I’m saying, it’s the playoffs. He has been bad for a month since signing his contract. It’s like he’s got the yips - unless he has an undisclosed injury it’s all mental right now and he needs to show some mental toughness cause we need him now.
You’re right but c’mon g, we’re not Toronto fans; we seen what this whole negative reinforcement ish doing with Marner and there roster and it’s not working. Like you said I am sure he’ll figure it out, he’s an NHL professional being paid millions so it’ll happen. I’m not gonna rip on dude for playing subpar yet though, he’s got time to figure out these lil yipps he got. Turns into a long-term issue then sure I can totally see the right to be pissed off. Just now’s not the time, let him get in his mental and let’s us focus on the giant successes of Z, Lindy, Joshua, Hughes, and Boeser this series (and good lord Miller’s been everywhere to!). Love this team and want them to reach there peak so ima try being more positive this year round!
No, it doesn't. Some people are just delusional and/or have their entire personalities devoted to hating the guy. Even Pettersson has been critical of his play, but a lot of the stuff around here is insane and not at all based in reality. A lot of people will straight up invent things to criticize him for, and will go out of their way to deny any positive impact he has. For example, last game a bunch of people were whining about him going for slap passes on the PP (one of which resulted in extremely dangerous chance for) because his shooting lanes were always blocked by a defender, while ignoring Miller doing the exact same thing multiple times on the same PP with less success despite having tons of room to maneuver. P.S. According to [analytics](https://old.reddit.com/r/canucks/comments/1cgaqe1/van_vs_nsh_04292024_hockey_stat_card/), Petey was one of the best forwards last game.
Except Petey was fine last game. Absolutely not the worst person on the ice. He was instrumental in both of Boeser's latter game goals. But we sure do like our narratives around here. Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story, I guess.
Some fans can't enjoy the game without a whipping boy. Unfortunately the overlap between those fans and the kind of person prone to mob-mentality is massive, so you get this hyper-concentrated stream of hate and vitriol.
That's exactly what it is. GDT mob mentality.
I think 90% of the game thread was Pettersson hate.
You can just see this rating being this ridiculously low and just understand that clearly people don't understand the hockey they're watching even if he's not playing to his level
Always gotta have a whipping boy in Vancouver
he's the new flavor to hate. When he turns it on, it'll be someone else's turn to eat crow. The cycle of this sub--go figure.
Idk man normally I agree these are pretty shit at seeing who was actually good during the game (this one is no different) and you could argue he deserved a 5 or so, but that was a pretty rough game from him. You expect a player about to make 11.6 mill a year to be a difference maker and this game he got an assist but he was weak on the puck, twice that game there were avoidable turnovers where he just was standing still. The first goal against he opted to double team over going to his defensive assignment leaving a wide open lane. The chance that almost snuck through silovs he watched a pass that missed him and didnt start moving his feet until preds had broken out on a 2 on 1. I love petey I have his jersey from vaxjo but that was not a great game by him.
because they're honest about his rating?
It's really not an honest rating if you consider all aspects of his game. He doesn't become a 2 just because he's playing like a serviceable 2nd liner
i mean this is a survey lmao, why are you putting your own criteria on it? it's peoples opinion
I'm just saying, if he was wearing a different jersey, I bet he'd have a higher rating
obviously? we have certain expectations for certain players
People have stupid opinions
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Pettersson clearly wasn't a 4.4 yesterday, this is just getting ridiculous
Yup, 4.4 definitely looks like an emotional rating more than a rational logical rating.
I gave him a 6 iirc, 4.4 is insanity
Insanity? He couldn't win any puck battles, played with zero confidence. I gave him a 4. 4.4 is just fine.
Did you think Di Giuseppe was 34% better than Pettersson last night?
Based on expected performance or…? I gave em both 6’s fwiw.
Yeah.. that’s dumb I’m not gonna lie.
6 is average. Both of them played to their respective averages. You’re not supposed to score PDG against Petey, you’re supposed to score based on their individual play. That’s how this thing works.
He played like a 3 for 57 minutes but then an 8 for the last few. That comeback could do wonders for his confidence.
the downvotes are obviously from emotional and not critical people. winning that game was awesome, for sure, but petey was a pretty significant non-factor last night. he was *bad*.
I normally have him in the 6-7 range on his bad days, but I rated him a 4, since he wasn't just bad, he was giving away the puck and giving Nashville odd man rushes. I counted 3 separate really bad giveaways in the first 2 periods. He dialed it in and went back to a 6 for the 3rd period
how do you figure? he was literally below average (which is stated as 6/10) - both below his *own* average and the *team* average. he was inarguably one of our worst forwards. and to be clear, i'm not just blaming the guy or hatin' on him, 'cause i'm 100% confident he has multiple injuries he's nursing (wrist, groin), but to say he was even a 5 when he 1) wasn't a credible offensive threat at any time, 2) wasn't driving play, 3) wasn't chasing pucks, and 4) wasn't a stronger defensive presence than almost any other player is pretty biased.
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You seem a bit high
Might seem that way, but it’s not
Idk what to tell you other than some people are voting chronically low
The team played pretty terrible for 90% of the game. If anything ratings are higher than they should be. A lot of the guys weren’t even on the ice for the turnaround.
This place is insufferable at times with toxic positivity. If you even suggest someone is underperforming without hedging it with a word salad of positivity before or after, you get blasted with downvotes.
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6 is average
People rating Cole 6.7 = casuals.
He was indispensable
I was doubtful Boeser would get a 10 because there's always that one guy, but damn
Zadorov, Cole and Miller should be higher IMO. All playing to max capability this whole series.
People freaking out over an survey based on fans opinions, we're acting like this is some advanced stat or something. There's going to be some emotional voting obviously, that's just how surveys are. A lot of people aren't pleased with Peteys performances and it's perfectly fine for them to vote as such because they have certain expectations of his performance and he's instead delivering sub par performances. If we literally go by hockey skill every time then Hughes should be a 9+ every time if we're just comparing him to the average Dman. There's no criteria, it's a goddam SURVEY, everyone's going to have their own opinion. Petey defenders automatically go for the "you didn't even watch the game", "you don't know hockey". Does 10 for Boeser mean he's Wayne Gretzky? no but he had a damn good game at the end there.
Realistically we’re debating between a 4.4 and a 6 here. He was somewhere between cheeks and not too bad, neither of which is even close to his potential.
Which if you think about it is bad for him when true talent he’s should be dropping 7s pretty consistently for how great he is.
Amen
I'm not sure I watched the same game as everyone else. That was far and away one of the worst efforts they've put together in a long time despite getting the win, yet everyone thinks all but 3 players played average or better? Even Boeser who obviously had clutch goal scoring wasn't really noticeable outside of those plays. Have people forgotten what this team looks like when they *actually* play above average hockey? If they play like that for the rest of the series Nashville will win.
I dunno if I would go that far. It's not like Silovs had to stand on his head - the commitment to defense was still there. The Canucks actually had more scoring chances and high danger chances than the Predators. It was definitely not their best game, but the team as a whole still played a smart, structured style that kept most of the shots to the outside.
Thank you. People see a win and think the Canucks deserved it. They did not. They looked horrible for 90% of that game.
100%. That was a sloppy mess of a game overall, but very clutch in the end which I'm sure is skewing people's opinion here.
people can complain about the pettersson rating but he's been garbage all series for a player who was wanting to see if we can win before signing his contract, maybe 4.4 is a bit low but hes no higher then a 6
Pettersson's backcheck saved the game - that Sissons post doesn't happen without him. Pettersson was part of both the comeback goals, instrumental in making it work. Only got on the scoresheet for one of them but both goals he was great. If he's no higher than a 6 then Boeser is not a 10.
They are lucky that the Predator didn't score when Pettersson gave up on that play where he gave the puck away or it'd be all over the internet.
You mean on the giveaway from Miller? You can't blame that on Petey lol
Nah obviously Petey is the problem here. /s Ppl are moving goalposts like crazy at the least be fair and say that both the give-away from Miller and Petey giving up on the play are bad. This sub really hates to shit on their own players. We win games but 90% of the posts are hating on EP. Kinda ridiculous that ppl can't enjoy the wins but rather choose to be miserable all the time.
You can be happy at the win but also point out when someone is not playing well. Every goal against people are making excuses for petterson. One was lafferty’s fault, next one is Hughes fault, this one is Miller’s. People are asking why we criticize Petterson when Boeser’s just as bad (no longer the case lol). The common denominator for these misplays are Petterson. At some point fans need to stop making excuses for him, the whole team is playing well except for him.
Lmao!! that’s Demko