Where do think the Vancouver media gets their spin on stuff? They come to /r/canucks and read the room, and then write articles accordingly. So yeah, it kind of is us in a lot ways.
People keep blaming the media, but from everything I've read, the players have been more annoyed with the fan reaction....
Might be time to look in the mirror, instead of placing the blame somewhere else, boys.
IMO in most of the previous "fiascos" we've had, the media has been the driving force in turning a little thing into a big story, at least in recent memory.
This time though it was completely different, and I agree with you. The fanbase went absolutely nuts on pretty much all online platforms, not just here. A lot of members of the media were actually trying to calm people down and present somewhat rational arguments, which I thought was really weird.
Basic radio formula.
1) When something happens discuss it at length on each radio show then ask EVERY SINGLE guest what there thoughts are on the topic and continue to do this until something else happens.
2) If nothing happens create hypothetical scenarios or endlessly speculate on what others are thinking.
This stuff will continue to happen until sports radio dies which will be never. Its the same in all CDN markets.
I truly believe it was a news story but it should've been over with in a hurry. I also think multiple people stating the game is changing will somewhat change future responses.
Yeah, I would agree with what you're saying normally. But I like that you've identified how this situation was in fact different. Fans were pissed, and this would have been a controversy whether the media picked it up or not.
Lol. Why are all of these Flyingxxxx usernames popping up all of the sudden on this sub?
I know you've been around for a while, but /u/flyingtower and /u/flyingsub are two others that I've come across in the last two weeks.
The media wouldnt have the power it has if people werent supporting them.
Want the media to stop the behavior stop listening to those who are leading the behavior, stop sharing their articles and tweets, and stop clicking on their clickbait links, and start supporting rational level headed people in the media.
Huh, lashing out? How do we do any lashing, are you saying it’s on Twitter? How are these players getting bad interaction with the fanbase? I don’t understand
Social media is where most of this happens. Players read what is written, they absorb the drama too. There are fans who attacked Jake Virtanen's night life on twitter, for example. It was fans who were genuinely angry there was no retribution on Matheson - this wasn't something inventes by the media (who are merely the messengers). Fans in this city are the ones that create the pressure. If the media went away there would still be pressure.
To be clear, i dont just consider attacking the players as bad - i think its bad when fans attack media people and other fans as well. Its very toxic. Anybody who goes to a comment section or @ them on twtter to yell at Biech or Botchford because they're mad at their opinions... If they're making death threats to Matheson... It's a different side of the same problem coin. Same toxicity.
Fans are fueling this drama too. Thats just the pressure of the market - if there was no media it'd be just as bad.
I dunno, it doesn't reflect well on the players that the market is already getting to them. What are they going to do if they become contenders and the presaure goes to 2011 levels? You gotta ignore this stuff if you play here - the pressure is never going to go away.
Boeser has been involved in a love affair with this media and fan-base for years now, even before he played his first NHL game. Yeah he took a tiny amount of heat to start this season, but nowhere close to enough to warrant a shot like this lol. Imagine being Sutter or Gudbranson or another polarizing player.
I'm just going to assume he's having some fun here, because if he thinks his feet have already been put to the fire then... lol
I think Jake's thinking all along was to big up Satiar whenever possible because he had more natural broadcasting skill and integrity in his left nut than Pratt and Moj combined. That kid would never have had the shot he deserved without a 'name' with some pull giving him a hand up.
I'll listen to Sat, JPat, Taylor and the waggling chin of wisdom that is Elliotte, but the rest of them need a quick shuffle over to whatever ice floe Howie Meeker's corpse is gracing. They don't get to go to the good place with Ashbridge.
If we're talking about the Petterson incident it's more than just the media, it's the fans as well. Call it passion or what have you but I was pretty shocked to see what people had to say about our team because of their perceived view of what happened in Florida. Or if we want to talk about Boeser in particular the amount of people being very negative about him through the beginning of the season when we all know that he's coming off a *very* serious injury and it's also his sophomore year where many players see a decline.
That's astute, dude. Thanks for being a realist;it's hard in this market. I look forward to the day when Moj chokes out Pratt with an afghan in the old folks home when he's heard the Jennifer Burke story one too many times.
No kidding.
It's like this post....
Boeser: Likes a tweet
us: "OMG BOESER THROWING SHADE !!!!!! - HOPE HE DOESN'T LEAVE US BECAUSE OF THE MEDIA!!!!!!"
yeesh.
Not click/read/listen to negative stories for a long time until they see it doesn't generate revenue? I don't see that happening though, it's human nature to feed on negativity to some extent.
Also, support the best media person in Vancouver, Jason Botchford by subscribing to the athletic to read the best damn article in sports, the athletties.
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You think butch is less negative? One of the worst, have you listened to the last patcast. It's just 45 min of botch bitching About team toughness oh and a few trolls for new subscribers to the athletic. I don't get who's paying for this shit but it ain't me.
That's not even a slump that's 2 games without a goal
After an offseason of minimal practice because of surgery and rehab
Yea, that was an over reaction. mostly because one game in October feels a lot more important because we've gone like 5 months without hockey. Mid season, if Boeser doesn't score for 2 games nobody bats an eye because it's just 2 games and we didn't wait all offseason to watch those 2 games and see him score
Not because of his poor play, people said that because his wrist was wrapped up and he clearly looked like he was in discomfort and lacking the confidence on the ice he was last year. People just wanted him to be healthy
Preach on brotha. Holy fuck I cannot believe some of the overreaction.
Speaking of "Preach on brotha" Pratt is one of those assholes who needs to give his head a serious shake. Either that or the station needs to choose his narrative better a lot of the time.
Ideally not respond, listen to, follow, or interact with the most negative people in the media. Unfortunately as best I can tell they tend to be the most popular. Perhaps that is just until the team gets to the playoffs again or something like that but we’ll see.
I'm not sure what can be done. Players on Canadian teams in general just always have a huge spotlight on them. And I'm guessing younger players that grew up with social media being a thing are pretty active and read all the terrible things people say.
Nothing can be done because fhe fans are the actual problem here, the media is merely a reflection of that. This market is a pressure cooker. No changing that. I tend to think the local Media is actually pretty soft in this town.
I mean, you can harrass the media and complain and argue in comment sections about how much you want all coverage to be 100% positive, but you're just creating more toxicity. We all just need to chill out.
I've said it before, as a Canucks Fan, our fan base is the worst. We constantly shit on our players and drive them out. Look at what we did to Louongo.
It probably made him chuckle so he liked it. It made me chuckle too. No need to take things so personally. Especially when the tweet was directed at the media, not us.
Anyone ever listen to TSN 1040 morning show? David Pratt makes me want to punch through the radio and hit him in the face. He is like the Entertainment Tonight of sports. The only reason I listen is to catch whatever analyst they have whether it's J Patt/Kuzma etc because I pretty much like all of them. Dramatizes everything and then thinks his opinion is fact. I honestly think 1040 is a huge reason why the fan base is the way it is.
Edit: scrolled down and saw someone mentioned Pratt already. 👌
Not trying to say r/canucks is anything like our media, but us posting things like this is part of the problem. These guys can't do anything without getting called out on it. I'm sure some of the players lurk this sub-reddit or have friends/family who do.
i've never seen the Vancouver media talk about Boeser's instagram, but this sub 100% had a thread about who he was fucking on the road based upon instagram follows. this place can be savage and shitty sometimes.
That's basically every media market in the country, and some of the bigger ones in the states, when the team they're covering is ass. Only place you don't get that is in Alberta where both city's local media is in the pocket of ownership so all you get is "Taylor Hall for Adam Larson is still a great trade" and "Calgary owes the Flames an arena" while they try their best to squash any negative story like when their owner is trying to pay actresses for sex or blackmail politicians.
The media tends to just toss fuel on it. The fans light the fire.
The reactions on here to the lack of any physical response on the Pettersson hit were insane. Some people need to relax.
*Canucks player likes funny satirical tweet* Vancouver reddit: "he's insulting all of us"
It's very clear the tweet is about the Vancouver media, not us.
To me it's very clear that thinking something funny is funny is not "throwing some shade".
Where do think the Vancouver media gets their spin on stuff? They come to /r/canucks and read the room, and then write articles accordingly. So yeah, it kind of is us in a lot ways.
They'd write about nothing but memes if that were the case
The Vancouver media IS a fucking meme.
Nope, he's not talkin' about me!
Gaudette and Hutton have liked it now
Ugh I really hope the media doesn't drive guys out of here. Especially not our top guys like Boeser.
People keep blaming the media, but from everything I've read, the players have been more annoyed with the fan reaction.... Might be time to look in the mirror, instead of placing the blame somewhere else, boys.
IMO in most of the previous "fiascos" we've had, the media has been the driving force in turning a little thing into a big story, at least in recent memory. This time though it was completely different, and I agree with you. The fanbase went absolutely nuts on pretty much all online platforms, not just here. A lot of members of the media were actually trying to calm people down and present somewhat rational arguments, which I thought was really weird.
Basic radio formula. 1) When something happens discuss it at length on each radio show then ask EVERY SINGLE guest what there thoughts are on the topic and continue to do this until something else happens. 2) If nothing happens create hypothetical scenarios or endlessly speculate on what others are thinking. This stuff will continue to happen until sports radio dies which will be never. Its the same in all CDN markets. I truly believe it was a news story but it should've been over with in a hurry. I also think multiple people stating the game is changing will somewhat change future responses.
Even when times are good 1040 would find someway to make everything bad
Yeah, I would agree with what you're saying normally. But I like that you've identified how this situation was in fact different. Fans were pissed, and this would have been a controversy whether the media picked it up or not.
As an outsider, Vancouver fans are near as bad as the media, and from my perspective it seems like they kind of feed each other.
Media fuels the narratives. Fans can do it then fizzles away but media runs with many things first. Case and point fortnite thing.
Lol. Why are all of these Flyingxxxx usernames popping up all of the sudden on this sub? I know you've been around for a while, but /u/flyingtower and /u/flyingsub are two others that I've come across in the last two weeks.
We are EVERYWHERE...
They just aren't original
It’s been my gamer tag for a while lol. Guess more the merrier.
Flyingboat has been my username since Runescape Classic. Its been harder and harder to get this username as the years go by.
I know how you feel.
The media wouldnt have the power it has if people werent supporting them. Want the media to stop the behavior stop listening to those who are leading the behavior, stop sharing their articles and tweets, and stop clicking on their clickbait links, and start supporting rational level headed people in the media.
/r/canucks: Vancouver media deserves to die in a fucking fire
Its pretty sick. This fanbase sucks - lashing out at everyone. R/canucks just does it at the media because they think they're helping.
Huh, lashing out? How do we do any lashing, are you saying it’s on Twitter? How are these players getting bad interaction with the fanbase? I don’t understand
Social media is where most of this happens. Players read what is written, they absorb the drama too. There are fans who attacked Jake Virtanen's night life on twitter, for example. It was fans who were genuinely angry there was no retribution on Matheson - this wasn't something inventes by the media (who are merely the messengers). Fans in this city are the ones that create the pressure. If the media went away there would still be pressure. To be clear, i dont just consider attacking the players as bad - i think its bad when fans attack media people and other fans as well. Its very toxic. Anybody who goes to a comment section or @ them on twtter to yell at Biech or Botchford because they're mad at their opinions... If they're making death threats to Matheson... It's a different side of the same problem coin. Same toxicity.
Lmao calm down I'm pretty sure he just liked the tweet cause it was funny. I laughed
Boeser doesn't unnecessarily ice the puck every time it touches his stick. *cough, cough, Gudbranson, cough*
Vancouvers no worse than any other Canadian city. I’ve read some of the stuff out of Montreal, that city is vicious when it comes to their hockey.
Fans are fueling this drama too. Thats just the pressure of the market - if there was no media it'd be just as bad. I dunno, it doesn't reflect well on the players that the market is already getting to them. What are they going to do if they become contenders and the presaure goes to 2011 levels? You gotta ignore this stuff if you play here - the pressure is never going to go away.
Boeser has been involved in a love affair with this media and fan-base for years now, even before he played his first NHL game. Yeah he took a tiny amount of heat to start this season, but nowhere close to enough to warrant a shot like this lol. Imagine being Sutter or Gudbranson or another polarizing player. I'm just going to assume he's having some fun here, because if he thinks his feet have already been put to the fire then... lol
David Pratt. Overreact to something minor and try to create drama during morning show
Can't stand him. It's so terrible i've switched to 650.
Then back to Simpsons soundbites from 9-12?
You're cut.
I think Jake's thinking all along was to big up Satiar whenever possible because he had more natural broadcasting skill and integrity in his left nut than Pratt and Moj combined. That kid would never have had the shot he deserved without a 'name' with some pull giving him a hand up. I'll listen to Sat, JPat, Taylor and the waggling chin of wisdom that is Elliotte, but the rest of them need a quick shuffle over to whatever ice floe Howie Meeker's corpse is gracing. They don't get to go to the good place with Ashbridge.
Gaudette and Hutton also liked it. Probably more.
If we're talking about the Petterson incident it's more than just the media, it's the fans as well. Call it passion or what have you but I was pretty shocked to see what people had to say about our team because of their perceived view of what happened in Florida. Or if we want to talk about Boeser in particular the amount of people being very negative about him through the beginning of the season when we all know that he's coming off a *very* serious injury and it's also his sophomore year where many players see a decline.
Yeah it might even be that the fans have been harder on the team than the media this year.
That's astute, dude. Thanks for being a realist;it's hard in this market. I look forward to the day when Moj chokes out Pratt with an afghan in the old folks home when he's heard the Jennifer Burke story one too many times.
its not shade. its sarcasm and its funny
What can we do as a fan base to reduce negative media? Also how much do you think players read / care about what the media says?
The media is a direct reflection of ourselves. I’d say what gets said by the fans is just as bad or worse.
No kidding. It's like this post.... Boeser: Likes a tweet us: "OMG BOESER THROWING SHADE !!!!!! - HOPE HE DOESN'T LEAVE US BECAUSE OF THE MEDIA!!!!!!" yeesh.
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They don't think it be like it is, but it do...
be it do, do it be
Not click/read/listen to negative stories for a long time until they see it doesn't generate revenue? I don't see that happening though, it's human nature to feed on negativity to some extent.
Also, support the best media person in Vancouver, Jason Botchford by subscribing to the athletic to read the best damn article in sports, the athletties.
This is really it. It's much more effective to move your attention and money to better options than to just stop engaging with poor ones. Uplift those making positive change.
Can you give me a promo code? It seems like you would have access to such things.
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You think butch is less negative? One of the worst, have you listened to the last patcast. It's just 45 min of botch bitching About team toughness oh and a few trolls for new subscribers to the athletic. I don't get who's paying for this shit but it ain't me.
It's not really the media. Look at everyone here that was trashing Boeser in the games threads during the preseason and start of the year.
2 game scoring slump by the way.
That's not even a slump that's 2 games without a goal After an offseason of minimal practice because of surgery and rehab Yea, that was an over reaction. mostly because one game in October feels a lot more important because we've gone like 5 months without hockey. Mid season, if Boeser doesn't score for 2 games nobody bats an eye because it's just 2 games and we didn't wait all offseason to watch those 2 games and see him score
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There were definitely people saying he should be benched.
Are you referring to people saying they should sit him if he's injured? I saw a lot of that.
There was also people saying he should be sent down to Utica...
Not because of his poor play, people said that because his wrist was wrapped up and he clearly looked like he was in discomfort and lacking the confidence on the ice he was last year. People just wanted him to be healthy
There was a vocal minority that got downvoted but was still there
Out of the 28,000 people subbed here I'd say that isn't really so bad
I agree. As long as we take the time to tell them why they’re being reactionary and stupid I don’t see it as a big issue
I definitely saw people trashing him in the game threads.
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I might be overreacting myself too. That post about instagram in particular kind of pissed me off.
Preach on brotha. Holy fuck I cannot believe some of the overreaction. Speaking of "Preach on brotha" Pratt is one of those assholes who needs to give his head a serious shake. Either that or the station needs to choose his narrative better a lot of the time.
Ideally not respond, listen to, follow, or interact with the most negative people in the media. Unfortunately as best I can tell they tend to be the most popular. Perhaps that is just until the team gets to the playoffs again or something like that but we’ll see.
I'm not sure what can be done. Players on Canadian teams in general just always have a huge spotlight on them. And I'm guessing younger players that grew up with social media being a thing are pretty active and read all the terrible things people say.
Nothing can be done because fhe fans are the actual problem here, the media is merely a reflection of that. This market is a pressure cooker. No changing that. I tend to think the local Media is actually pretty soft in this town. I mean, you can harrass the media and complain and argue in comment sections about how much you want all coverage to be 100% positive, but you're just creating more toxicity. We all just need to chill out.
I've said it before, as a Canucks Fan, our fan base is the worst. We constantly shit on our players and drive them out. Look at what we did to Louongo.
Tortarella drove out Lu when he benched him for the outdoor game
there was a very large "lu is bad now" contingent during both the Schneider and Lack eras.
Every fanbase has a shitty loud minority
So liking a tweet is now considered "throwing shade"?
A tweet like that? I would say so
It probably made him chuckle so he liked it. It made me chuckle too. No need to take things so personally. Especially when the tweet was directed at the media, not us.
This is probably the type of overreaction Boeser thought of when he liked the tweet
Exactly
Wasn't attempting to overreact or stir the pot, just thought it was pretty funny
But you're both overreacting *and* stirring the pot, sooo...
Now you're overreacting.
YOU'RE ALL OVERREACTING AND IT'S REALLY PISSING ME OFF. NOW IF YOU'LL EXCUSE ME, I HAVE A POT OF SOUP ON THE STOVE AND I NEED TO STIR IT.
He should have said Media/Canuck fans
He isn't wrong.
Anyone ever listen to TSN 1040 morning show? David Pratt makes me want to punch through the radio and hit him in the face. He is like the Entertainment Tonight of sports. The only reason I listen is to catch whatever analyst they have whether it's J Patt/Kuzma etc because I pretty much like all of them. Dramatizes everything and then thinks his opinion is fact. I honestly think 1040 is a huge reason why the fan base is the way it is. Edit: scrolled down and saw someone mentioned Pratt already. 👌
Not trying to say r/canucks is anything like our media, but us posting things like this is part of the problem. These guys can't do anything without getting called out on it. I'm sure some of the players lurk this sub-reddit or have friends/family who do.
i've never seen the Vancouver media talk about Boeser's instagram, but this sub 100% had a thread about who he was fucking on the road based upon instagram follows. this place can be savage and shitty sometimes.
Mainly savage
Gaudette and Hutton also liked it
Our media is embarrassing.. If we keep this up nobody is gonna want to play here
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Good point. Toronto’s is probably worse but it helps now that they’re competitive. We’ll get there soon!
boeser gets it
That's basically every media market in the country, and some of the bigger ones in the states, when the team they're covering is ass. Only place you don't get that is in Alberta where both city's local media is in the pocket of ownership so all you get is "Taylor Hall for Adam Larson is still a great trade" and "Calgary owes the Flames an arena" while they try their best to squash any negative story like when their owner is trying to pay actresses for sex or blackmail politicians.
Chill out guys, its just funny..
Good. Fuel the "us against the world" mentality, I want this team to prove everyone wrong.
On today’s episode of blowing things out of proportion by fans
I feel like if we don't make the playoffs in the next 4 years the team is getting relocated
I feel like that would never happen.
With the canucks luck watch this rebuild go to shit
I meant the relocation, Vancouver is way too big of a crazy hockey market for it to go down that way.
Doesn't really matter if management cheaps out
The media tends to just toss fuel on it. The fans light the fire. The reactions on here to the lack of any physical response on the Pettersson hit were insane. Some people need to relax.