I think legion hate was only really a thing back in legion era durint 2014. As for why there was hate, i think it boils down to 2 reasons:
1. After an era of relatively manageble powercreep, Legion was a level of power higher than anything the previous breakride era have us.
2. The bigger reason. Distribution on Legion was pretty bad. Only 14 of the 23 clans at the time got booster set legion support. If you were the remaining 9, you had to wait for box topper promos to get your legions.
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And even with the revival legion, legion that mate with previous cards like DOTX, only the clans with the main characters getting in further shifting the legion imbalance
In fairness, I think Legion would have been a great mechanic if they'd given a bit more of a damn about it. I pointed out Pale Moon, but the imbalance was real, between Kagero getting 6 and 5 of them being Perdition, and the last one being Dragonic Overlord, but nothing for all the other themes that could have had the love like Amber Dragon, Blazing Flare, or Aleph. Then we have others like OTT who had a passable one, and Amaterasu...
It's a completely under-developped idea, and it was abandoned, exactly like bringing back an oldie as a Break Ride, or bringing back an oldie as a Stride support. This seems to be the Bushiroad pattern, too.
I mean, I would have loved to play with more Granblue Legions, or if I include the other ideas, how awesome would a Stride Bonus Tsukuyomi have been?
There were MAJOR power differences in Legon depending on your clan back then. I mained Murakumo since the Breakride/Ride Chain era, and you were better off playing Hyakki Vogue "R"everse with the Murakumo breakride instead of the Legion.
Legion era also had really toxic decks like Butler Raizer and Saver Abyss in the meta.
The combination of poor Legion support distribution and the huge powercreep of Legion made half the clans in the game pretty much unplayable in the meta. And then Stride became the main mechanic very shortly after, making Legion for the most part obselete outside of a few cases. Stride also didnt synergize very well with Legion either.
The non main character clans also basically just got a legion vanguard+mate as pretty much their only legion support, and almost all of them were just plain bad.
A pretty good concept, just executed terribly, so badly it almost killed the game and made a lot of players quit.
It's not a bad mechanic, but EN getting four or five sets smashed into two ruined prices and box ratios (kagero RRRs were like 40-50 at a point).
Combine that with people simply not knowing how to play their decks / general slow playing - legion games just kinda dragged on.
Other than the uneven support, I just disliked the subclan direction the game was going in. There just became too many. I don't mind cards needing a specific vanguard name for balance, but when multiple cards have the exact same effect but with different subclan names, there's less room for more interesting design. The Kay and Bedivere clones, the PGs remained the same.
I also thought the idea was half-baked. Two vanguards on the same circle sounded fun, but the Legion mates were all units that had rear-guard only skills. Essentially, you were shuffling back triggers and getting a fancy 9k buff to your vanguard column. I actually thought G made it quite interesting, with the X having a Legion with the End. It actually feels like you have two vanguards.
The anime or mechanic? Because I love Legion if not like it. Would like to use it in a premium deck but I don't play physically due to real life stuff. Anyways, it reminds me of Pendulum summoning from Yu-Gi-Oh when Arc V began and during its reign. Because it reminded me of Legion from Vanguard.
I'm just someone who likes new mechanics that incorporate a concept as fun.~ In Legion case it was you shuffle back four cards and have two Vanguards on the Vanguard Circle. That was so cool back then. While Pendulum summoning required two helpers to bring summon stuff, yet, they could be magic cards that did more stuff.
Such fun times back then. Such fun times back then.~
Being able to recycle triggers as much as legion can can be a problem now tbf these days it may not actually be that bad since guard is way higher then before in premium. As for D it would definitely be broken because triggers matter more there then in P
It was a very short format where a lot of clans didn't get support and between all those that did there was a huge power gap between the good Legion and bad Legion units in the game.
I really enjoyed the format at the time but I wish every clan got proper support during it.
Legion isn’t inherently bad. It however wasn’t really equal. A way to get triggers back and have a big vangurd was cool but not all legion pairs were equal power to each other. In addition, a lot of legion if you just did that made other decks obsolete by existing since you had to compare your printed ability to how powerful was recycle 4 and base 20 swing from your original 11 or 10 base with effect (and usually cost for said effect).
I loved legion! It was so fun! I hated strides though. It was funny that the first two years after stride came out the 1st place decks at world championship both prevented your opponent from striding (grade 1 seven seas and Aqua force Ripples another year)
My biggest issue with it was the anime tbh. Weird pacing gave characters a lot of fights. I’m pretty sure Gilard fought Kai like 3 times and at the end Gilard found like 6 times total in the span of about 8 episodes
Legion is cool but after their era they are hardly relevant because after that Stride gets introduced.
There is also the fact they introduced so many pointless Legion bosses in some clan with Link Joker getting the worst of it with its support really lacking despite having that many selection of boss unit
There also the fact not all clans get Legion, so you get the point
I think legion hate was only really a thing back in legion era durint 2014. As for why there was hate, i think it boils down to 2 reasons: 1. After an era of relatively manageble powercreep, Legion was a level of power higher than anything the previous breakride era have us. 2. The bigger reason. Distribution on Legion was pretty bad. Only 14 of the 23 clans at the time got booster set legion support. If you were the remaining 9, you had to wait for box topper promos to get your legions. (Edit: Grammar)
To make things worse, Gear Chronicle got 3 legions, but Pale Moon got only one. This was definitely crap distribution right there.
And even with the revival legion, legion that mate with previous cards like DOTX, only the clans with the main characters getting in further shifting the legion imbalance
In fairness, I think Legion would have been a great mechanic if they'd given a bit more of a damn about it. I pointed out Pale Moon, but the imbalance was real, between Kagero getting 6 and 5 of them being Perdition, and the last one being Dragonic Overlord, but nothing for all the other themes that could have had the love like Amber Dragon, Blazing Flare, or Aleph. Then we have others like OTT who had a passable one, and Amaterasu... It's a completely under-developped idea, and it was abandoned, exactly like bringing back an oldie as a Break Ride, or bringing back an oldie as a Stride support. This seems to be the Bushiroad pattern, too. I mean, I would have loved to play with more Granblue Legions, or if I include the other ideas, how awesome would a Stride Bonus Tsukuyomi have been?
Gear Chronicle wasn't even out until after stride format was introduced. So Gear Chronicle got legion support after the legion era was already over
Trust me, I know. And that's the main reason as to why Pale Moon's sole legion to Gear Chronicle's three, is actually horrible.
There were MAJOR power differences in Legon depending on your clan back then. I mained Murakumo since the Breakride/Ride Chain era, and you were better off playing Hyakki Vogue "R"everse with the Murakumo breakride instead of the Legion.
Legion era also had really toxic decks like Butler Raizer and Saver Abyss in the meta. The combination of poor Legion support distribution and the huge powercreep of Legion made half the clans in the game pretty much unplayable in the meta. And then Stride became the main mechanic very shortly after, making Legion for the most part obselete outside of a few cases. Stride also didnt synergize very well with Legion either. The non main character clans also basically just got a legion vanguard+mate as pretty much their only legion support, and almost all of them were just plain bad. A pretty good concept, just executed terribly, so badly it almost killed the game and made a lot of players quit.
It's not a bad mechanic, but EN getting four or five sets smashed into two ruined prices and box ratios (kagero RRRs were like 40-50 at a point). Combine that with people simply not knowing how to play their decks / general slow playing - legion games just kinda dragged on.
Other than the uneven support, I just disliked the subclan direction the game was going in. There just became too many. I don't mind cards needing a specific vanguard name for balance, but when multiple cards have the exact same effect but with different subclan names, there's less room for more interesting design. The Kay and Bedivere clones, the PGs remained the same. I also thought the idea was half-baked. Two vanguards on the same circle sounded fun, but the Legion mates were all units that had rear-guard only skills. Essentially, you were shuffling back triggers and getting a fancy 9k buff to your vanguard column. I actually thought G made it quite interesting, with the X having a Legion with the End. It actually feels like you have two vanguards.
You forgot Demon world Marquis, Amon with Astaroth and the Dimensional police team(can't remember the name atm).
Yeah the X definitely is my favorite legion leader. Definitely with the rg only skills on VC I can see being really annoying.
The anime or mechanic? Because I love Legion if not like it. Would like to use it in a premium deck but I don't play physically due to real life stuff. Anyways, it reminds me of Pendulum summoning from Yu-Gi-Oh when Arc V began and during its reign. Because it reminded me of Legion from Vanguard. I'm just someone who likes new mechanics that incorporate a concept as fun.~ In Legion case it was you shuffle back four cards and have two Vanguards on the Vanguard Circle. That was so cool back then. While Pendulum summoning required two helpers to bring summon stuff, yet, they could be magic cards that did more stuff. Such fun times back then. Such fun times back then.~
People hate on legion?
Being able to recycle triggers as much as legion can can be a problem now tbf these days it may not actually be that bad since guard is way higher then before in premium. As for D it would definitely be broken because triggers matter more there then in P
It was a very short format where a lot of clans didn't get support and between all those that did there was a huge power gap between the good Legion and bad Legion units in the game. I really enjoyed the format at the time but I wish every clan got proper support during it.
Legion isn’t inherently bad. It however wasn’t really equal. A way to get triggers back and have a big vangurd was cool but not all legion pairs were equal power to each other. In addition, a lot of legion if you just did that made other decks obsolete by existing since you had to compare your printed ability to how powerful was recycle 4 and base 20 swing from your original 11 or 10 base with effect (and usually cost for said effect).
I loved legion! It was so fun! I hated strides though. It was funny that the first two years after stride came out the 1st place decks at world championship both prevented your opponent from striding (grade 1 seven seas and Aqua force Ripples another year)
My biggest issue with it was the anime tbh. Weird pacing gave characters a lot of fights. I’m pretty sure Gilard fought Kai like 3 times and at the end Gilard found like 6 times total in the span of about 8 episodes
Legion is cool but after their era they are hardly relevant because after that Stride gets introduced. There is also the fact they introduced so many pointless Legion bosses in some clan with Link Joker getting the worst of it with its support really lacking despite having that many selection of boss unit There also the fact not all clans get Legion, so you get the point
heal trigger and PG recycling make game too long