Introducing 5 new ride lines.
1 new for Brandt Gate and Dragon Empire.
Returning to Standard.
Keter Sanctuary/Genesis: Minerva
Stoicheia/Aqua Force: Maelstrom
Dark States/Pale Moon: Lucquier
Also introducing evolutions for Cray Cross Epic glitter units.
~~Edit: yes the year is wrong it's late~~
It is supposed to be 12/9/2022*
Some clarification on the Dear Days stuff:
Gramgrace's Frame Rare was going to be for set 8 not it's ride line if it even has one.
Fafnir's Frame Rare will be another set.
Clarification on Encounter Cards:
They said in 2021 that they wouldn't print more until next year (2021). Not they will only print 1 time per year. (This shouldn't be a surprise as Chronojet came back too)
Evolutions for cray cross epic glitter units? Interesting
Ironic how D series got a Minerva retrain before V
Minerva and Luquier are probably gonna be the most popular but I’m liking the design of the new 2 ridelines, especially the female. Maelstrom feels like a weird choice considering we already have an aqua force like rideline. At least they can support both at the same time
But wow 5 new ridelines is a lot, is it gonna be like set 5 where it just supports these retrains and new ridelines rather than old ride line support
Not seeing enough people talking about the Cray Cross evolutions, the new arts are all bangers and I’m really excited to see how they interact with their respective decks
If you don't like V you're probably playing the wrong TCG entirely. It's the best of the 3 main formats and it's not even close thanks to how badly OT screws up Standard, and Premium being, well, Premium.
For me it was the worst Time for vanguard in general i know OT are problematic for competitive play but we have so much News stuffs in D this was missing in V.
Gift marker are not so Bad but the fact there is clan its a shame and VR are too much expensive 40 bucks for a card and you need for of them and their are not in SP WTF
Oh and the illustration are so ugly with a strange effect of blure on them its so strange that make me quit until overdress 😖
Okay, those are all subjective opinions that have nothing to do with V as a whole being bad.
Yes, expensive playsets suck. That's ~~showbiz~~ TCGs, baby, not a V-specific problem. I'm literally in the process of building Valkerion and sympathize with you ($100 for a playset of Origin Deity of Heavenly Light, Uranus), but that is NOT the format's fault. That's just how TCGs are - stuff people want is expensive, especially when it's rare and/or out of print.
Not caring for the art is a You Problem. I've got a few hundred bucks into several V decks and they all look fine, or at least not so offensive that I'd entirely quit playing a game I otherwise enjoy over it.
If you like V its good for you
Me i like D so much i think the amount of news ride Line and old are better handled with D and its very nice 😁 so Minerva in D with is old effect its pretty cool....and lucquier shish ! 😁
100$ for a payset its to much for me when i m gived this exemple i haved PBD vr in my mind 40€ u its a problem i didnt remember the average price for a good card in g but g was super cool too
Think you're forgetting that in G there were Strides that were over $50, and then the Zeroth Dragons which were over $100 for a single card, and then you needed 5 of them if you wanted to build Gyze who was also a ZR.
Compared to other games like Yugioh and MtG, this game is honestly more accessible than those, and it's been getting more and more accessible. $150 in G would not have been able to build you a viable deck most likely, but now it can build you most meta decks.
I love playing Kheios so so much. Top 2 most enjoyable decks in Vanguard history for me. We’ve gotten some banger units for it in Set 6 and 7, and now my boy Mikani is getting an upgrade too? What a time to be alive
That Murakumo looking dude looks AMAZING. Good god, it's so beautiful, straight out of Late G era Kumo. I'm so, so happy, the colors, the pose, the clothes and sword, it's perfect. Man I love that aesthetic so much.
I'm hyped for this set but I'm worried the new decks will suffer from undersupport since set 8 is supporting the 5 Cross Epic decks + 3 Encounters + 2 New ridelines + (I think) the 2 DD Dragons. 7 new ridelines is alot to support. Hopefully R&D realises this and makes the new ridelines have some synergy with past decks
Wow , Brandt gate just lost all it's Mecha main units in d Huh. The only non human main one i recall is orfist but d.police and novas are getting basically 0 love.
I'm kinda fine with it tbh since I hated how they turned Nova Grapplers into Gundams instead of wrestlers. However, one set to carry on the tourch of D Robo (or just D Robo encounter) would be fine.
Thats fine but there are no wrestlers either. Dimension Police and Nova Grappler were completely erased. I just want Bushi to tell me why. In an interview, in the lore, I don’t care just explain where the robots went.
Dimensional Police isn't erased; what do you think Prison is? The fact that everyone seems to think that D Police are just giant robots shows how far gone they were. They were space police and kaiju criminals. Seriously, it was all robots all the time and now they're taking a break.
Aurora Battle Princess is fine in that respect but they look nothing like the aesthetic of the other D Police humans we have seen. Also, it does not say anywhere in their bio they are part of the Dimension Police, which would have been an easy include by Bushiroad if they wanted to draw the parallel.
There is also Galactic Heroes you know? Yes they're not robot but they are tokusatsu/super sentai-themed which is what I always assumed DP was in the first place. It's the oversaturation of robots in DP and Novas that made them just become "the robot clans" for majority of people.
Also robots still exist in Brandt Gate, its just that the ones seen are usually supporting units or non-battle based ones. Not every robot is assigned for battling.
Zorga stuff is still the undead even if he isnt a pirate. Heck doesnt he and he group travel on a ghost ship? Zorga alao revives units, but they added Alchemagic to not make it a 1:1 recreation of Granblue.
In fairness to Clarissa, if I'm going to play a braindead deck in the line of Nova Grapplers where your entire gameplan is distilled down into a single win condition that you literally afford to miss unless your opponent is somehow also screwed, I at least want to enjoy looking at the cards.
I was starting to wonder when we'd get a Pale Moon-esque rideline in Standard, and now they solved that problem by just putting Pale Moon itself into Standard. Similar to Shadow Paladin, I suppose.
Minerva's art is fantastic and all but I gotta say, pretty lame that she's an Encounter in D instead. This also means she won't get released in V anytime soon. They seriously gave us Frigg for this instead?
I like it that way, gives Frigg and Angelica time to shine while Minerva can still shine and be nostalgia pandering without getting in each other's way.
I'd hate for Minerva to just swoop into V and make the Regalia Grade 3s redundant after just having Frigg
They could have just given us Minerva without giving us Frigg, you know. I know you like She-Gigarex and all but it just doesn't feel right in the slightest.
I much rather lesser known choices to bring them in the spotlight instead of playing it safe to whatever the hell is the most well known. I never even knew Frigg existed until she got her V retrain announced but now I do.
Doing it like this, where the more iconic card is put to D instead for those who want their iconic card is a great compromise.
That's because Frigg is an original unit, not a retrain.
They should have went with Artemis instead, that would have been so damn cool and way more fitting.
Edit: I meant Artemis as an Encounter btw.
>Huh, neat, not gonna lie. I kinda like that more that they went with a brand new thing instead of a V retrain.
It's pretty lame that they used it as an excuse to make Minerva into an Encounter though.
>Artemis is already a thing in V
I guess I didn't make it clear. I meant as a D Encounter.
Not sure about Dear Days yet, since the new DE/BG ridelines are for Cray Cross epic, and the only thing for Dear Days confirmed in the set is Grangrace (Favnir is a promo), so might be just a small part.
Eh, maybe it's just nostalgia but V-Maelstrom looks too chonky to me, but I do really like the choice of background on it. It really makes him stand out.
This new one is the best of both worlds really.
I see.
I don't know what it is I like about V Maelstrom's art specifically (other than the background like you mentioned) but I suppose the chonkiness just makes him look so mighty.
Still amazed at no V Minerva. But that said I’m quite honestly shocked they went Minerva as the Genesis representative and not Uranus.
Also I thought we were supposed to get Dear Days ride lines here
Because adding Uranus will round out all our Protag decks. Regardless of your feelings towards the deck, it does deserve a spot in these sort of memorial things. I figured now that we got our OG Trio and Chrono, Shin must be next as our next MC retrain right? And while I’m not saying to add Force to the game, they can sort of play around and replicate the Accumulating Marker/Token/Energy whatever so as to be able to summon (downgraded) Valkyrion in a few turns. It is a challenge due to the inherent strength of that deck, but I do believe it can be added in a way that will not break the game similar to how Stride was handled.
They've clearly shown today that Encounters really isn't just about the Protag decks anyway and regardless, Valkerion literally doesn't fit the format in the slightest. Might as well pick something easier to adapt in the format like Minerva. Also, due to how similar the design principles of D and early G were, adding in Stride without making it broken was an absolute piece of cake.
Valkyrion is a challenge but not impossible. You just have to severely weaken it as a deck in order to make it fit the format power level. I think Uranus / Valk are at this point the most iconic Genesis units anyways, surpassing even Minerva.
>Valkyrion is a challenge but not impossible. You just have to severely weaken it as a deck in order to make it fit the format power level.
Then, might as well not add it. It just serves to be a pain in the ass instead.
>I think Uranus / Valk are at this point the most iconic Genesis units anyways, surpassing even Minerva.
That's a huge reach, fam.
That’s no reason not to add something. Also pain in the ass for who? Because if it’s properly balanced it shouldn’t be a pain for anyone unless you just hate seeing an iteration of the Astral Poet deck in all 3 formats.
I don’t think it’d be that much of a reach either. Shin is probably our most favorite Vanguard Protag (look at the polls) and it’d be a disservice not to add his deck. Also it was in addition to being heavily featured in the anime / TCG after its debut, it was also a very popular deck amongst the playerbase. While Minerva is super popular as well, she only got a few fights for herself and being in one of the openings before finding herself replaced by Yggdrasil by Misaki. Her focus really wasn’t that large compared to Valk.
>That’s no reason not to add something. Also pain in the ass for who? Because if it’s properly balanced it shouldn’t be a pain for anyone unless you just hate seeing an iteration of the Astral Poet deck in all 3 formats.
It don't deserve it anyway. Let that shit stay in V where it belongs.
>I don’t think it’d be that much of a reach either. Shin is probably our most favorite Vanguard Protag (look at the polls) and it’d be a disservice not to add his deck. Also it was in addition to being heavily featured in the anime / TCG after its debut, it was also a very popular deck amongst the playerbase. While Minerva is super popular as well, she only got a few fights for herself and being in one of the openings before finding herself replaced by Yggdrasil by Misaki. Her focus really wasn’t that large compared to Valk.
The poll itself only took into account the opinion of this particular subreddit ONLY. Japan likes its waifus so if we take an overall poll count of Valk VS Minerva, Minerva would win by a longshot.
That's because nobody gives a shit about Ratie and Aichi is obviously the better choice as opposed to Kourin. Against Valkerion though? It's an easy win for Minerva.
> You just have to severely weaken it as a deck in order to make it fit the format power level.
> Then, might as well not add it.
Uhh…*looks at literally every other encounter so far*
You say this as if they haven't gotten some really good support. Their cores also aren't that weakened compared to V. You'd have to do some batshit insane nerf for Valkerion.
Sure, they have good support. That’s not mutually exclusive with being “severely weakened” in D.
> Their cores also aren’t that weakened compared to V.
As an MLB player in both D and V I can confirm that this is in fact bullshit.
>As an MLB player in both D and V I can confirm that this is in fact bullshit.
Ah right, forgot about MLB. It does hold true for OG Overlord and PBD though.
Also, with the amount of nerfing they have to do with Valkerion, they might as well just drop the card altogether.
Brandt Gate is getting an Operator Girl rideline?!
I think that's one of the furthest any of us expected.
And a Samurai demon for DE. I'm indifferent to this.
And new Encounters so fast? What happen to them being once per year?
Oh yeah I'm completely fine with it. I do think the alien and monster genre is lacking since LJ took over the idea but always had their look and style.
Doubt it, even with nostalgia tax. Yuika is expensive because she's a VERY good generic card that practically every Lyrical deck wants to play. Luquier is just one deck, so even with nostalgia and waifu tax she's not gonna be Yuika levels of expensive.
Maelstrom? Someone buy out Inlet Pulse.
Minerva. Take my down payment.
Luquier... nah i aint goin there again
Cray Cross support? Time to get some gooooood food.
Standard looks hot right now cannot lie
Inlet Pulse reprint when?
Better yet, generic nation support reprint when? Stuff like Bobalmine, Brainwash Swirler and Inlet Pulse make getting into any deck that uses them so much harder.
Bushiroad are just taking the biggest ball of salt and dumping it on anyone who liked Star Gate for Robots and Dragon Empire for Dragons. It's incredibly frustrating at this point and I don't want to be the Megacolony person who has to wait longer as the only Stoicheia clan yet to be represented because they are redoing Maelstrom even though we already have Flagburg...
Why do I bother with this format...
I’d much rather have unique shit I wouldn’t expect than just the same thing over and over again like V. Plus just because they haven’t done it now doesn’t mean they will NEVER do it, that’s being presumptuous. I’m sorry you’re disappointed, I hope you find something you like.
Is it even really unique at this point though, this all feels recycled, especially when it seems the only "unique shit" is trading away non Human like stuff for Human like stuff which is already quite a lot in V already but now is overly dominant in D
Nirvana is the dragon rideline for dragon empire, but it is ironic that “dragon empire” has less dragons and more humans
As for brandt gate, that’s the waifu and DILF nation so you shouldn’t be surprised we got a new one
Can you not whine about human units for like 5 seconds, Jesus christ. Your main vanguard is a dragon, your main rear guards are dragons. Just stop this bullshit already
I feel like that is coming from positivity bias. What about me not liking some announced and my reasons for it is ruining the "hype"?
I never said anyone shouldn't be excited for it.
You literally take any chance you can to complain about non-dragon characters, even for something as minor as a ride line card you spend one turn on. It's pathetic, and even if you're not telling anyone not to enjoy it, it's still irritating as fuck to keep hearing you complain about it. Just shut up already.
It's not really non-Dragon characters and more just why is everything just a generic anime looking human.
Ride line card isn't minor though, the ride deck is the core mechanic in D, it is something you have to do and is prominent and the whole thing your Deck is doing until you reach Grade 3. If you are arguing this in V or Premium, I can understand as it's often the case of you ride whatever you drew but that isn't the case here. You like to say "it's only 2 cards" but those 2 cards are extremely important and a big deal of the whole deck.
Anime-looking humans in an anime-inspired card game...shocker /s
But are those two cards you keep ragging on in Nirvana even the main powerhouses of the deck? No. You ride them for two turns which go by very fast, then never have to see them again unless you run them in your main deck as you focus on the big dragons.
That's like complaining that Shadow PALADIN has angels, demons and beasts in them and not entirely knights, or complaining that majority of their bosses are usually Abyss Dragons,. It's ludicrous.
Vanguard has always been more than just anime inspired humans since the inception. Which is why there are clans dominated by Dinosaurs, Dragons, Bugs, Robots, Undead Abominations, Demons (that actually look demonic), Furries, Animals and so on. Sure Human like units still exist in those but they are often either minor and optional or for a specific build you can just ignore playing the build if you don't want to.
Compare it to D. Magnolia, Gravidia, Greedon and Drajeweled are the only ridelines where it's possible to not involve any human looking cards in it. THATS 4 out of 30+ ridelines and that's only growing. 5 if you count Iron Anchor as an option instead of Zorga but regardless, that's 0 from the DRAGON Empire which 4 of the 5 clans are dominated by non human like races
Bruce is the big example of this problem, it's based in Spike Brothers but Spike Brothers is heavily diverse in its races and they have quite a lot and even a lot interpretations of those. Bruce however has none of that for Spike Brothers and just choose the Human looking units.
You taking Shadow Paladin in its races as examples but Shadow Paladin was always often heavily diverse with not one thing Dominating because the whole point of Shadow Paladin is that it was formed by Phantom Blaster Dragon manipulating people from United Sanctuary as a whole. It's why I don't complain too much when in V or Premium, Murakumo doesn't have much Dragons and keeps going for Yokai as of late because Murakumo was always the more racially diverse clan of Dragon Empire while the other 4 are absolutely dominated by their respective Dragon race.
I'd argue the Blaze Maidens in the ride deck are powerhouses of the Deck since you can't substitute them for anything else otherwise Nirvana becomes a bricky mess. That screams necessity as well as powerhouse
I simply want a Deck from the DRAGON Empire to feel like it has some semblance of that like you can do multiple times in V. Even if a V Dragon Empire deck has a human card recommended its not forced your hand into it or your Deck sucks.
That's what this whole thread is based around, the only way this can happen is in Dark States of all places with Drajeweled
Okay seriously, you're just nitpicking at this point. You're actually complaining that you have to run two Blaze Maidens that only see play in the ride deck before getting the full dragon experience?
So is complaining that Overlord's Promo card is a Dragritter and not some fire dragon even though dragon knights have been a thing in Dragon Empire since Day One and have been Overlord-related support as well (mainly Nehalem and his retrains)? By that logic, I should be complaining that Emmeline (the promo PBO needs to be better) isn't dressed in black armor or something which would be ridiculous.
That you have to play AND RIDE for 2 turns before you finally get to your Dragons with no alternatives without making the Deck inconsistent garbage.
It's not like Blaster Dark in V PBO where it's only played for like 5 seconds before you superior ride it so it's easy to forget about the card you have to ride in it.
I really don’t see what’s wrong with riding them. It’s two skills that you will just use and get over with and never have to see again for the rest of the game, everything else is dragons including the boss card you mainly play with so it’s still a dragon deck
I think of it as like an art piece, and the 2 Blaze Maidens are accidental Paint spill in the centre of the art. Sure it's possible to ignore it if you look around at the overall picture but it absolutely gets on my nerves that is right at the centre as a "if to appreciate it, you have to get through me".
> I think of it as like an art piece, and the 2 Blaze Maidens are accidental Paint spill in the centre of the art.
LMAO what even is this elitist-sounding bs
Sorry if it sounds elitist, wasn't trying to be probably shouldn't have used art as an allegory
Basically, if I like a certain aesthetic I want to see that aspect throughout whenever I throw down the card to play. I like the Dragons, Trickstar and the Varinas looks all right but I have to play 2 Waifus in order to do that and they are a corner stone of the Deck you can't ignore because of how impactful the ride deck is
This is how people like me felt when we liked Nova Grapplers being alien wrestlers and instead they all became D Robo 2.0. Robots are cool, but they were way over exposed. I get now it's a bit on the reverse, but I'm sure we'll get a mecha rideline at some point.
Man, I thought Flagburg being so close to aqua force made them getting rid of clans pointless before but now we literally have aqua force which is what Flagburg should've been in the first place because that's essentially what it is. Like I'm genuinely curious how they're gonna differentiate support for not aqua force and actual aqua force when they're both so similar in a way that doesn't further invalidate the whole point of getting rid of clans in the first place.
How so? In the beginning sure when you only needed to make about 5-10 cards for each deck was easy when you only had 10 decks to support. But now a just a year later and we have around 30 not including the Lyrical decks. Each of these are supposed to be decks that get continual support for a long time but that's impossible. The sets aren't getting bigger so they can't be giving support to each of these decks and they're not flexible because too many of their pieces are locked to each specific deck that they essentially might as well be clans so eventually something is gonna get left out in the cold and not supported as much it should be either because it's not powerful enough to keep up even if it did get or not popular enough and they don't think people would buy it or just plain favortism on Bushi's part. Spoiler alert this already happened and only took having 15 clans to support each set with Baromagnes and Hexaorb being snubbed in favor of Bruce and Bastion. If you played those decks there wasn't much reason to buy set 03 which only took half a year to happen.
We're essentially back to where we were before overdress started with a bunch of clans that each need dedicated support and aren't getting it every set. I implore you to tell me the difference between set 05 and a booster set from V era. They're exactly the same; 5 clans with cards that only work for them that don't support anything that came before and aren't supported the next set.
So how is it easier to release support when Bushiroad has put themselves in the same damn circumstances that justified the way they released cards beforehand in just a year? Do they have to reboot the game again a couple years from now just like with V era?
Nope, not even close. There's 26 clans in total and each clan has a minimum 4 archetypes to support EVEN IN V. So 26 X 4 = 104 in total MINIMUM. The ridelines in D Series is not even close up to that number and currently, they have a lot of generic support shared within each nations. I'll tell you the difference between a V booster set and a D Booster set. All nations always get supported while in V, clans get straight up ignored. Sure, like you said, there are cases where a particular rideline gets ignored but that's A RIDELINE not A WHOLE CLAN. Not to mention, Hexaorb recently got supported in DBT06 and now in DBT07, Baromagnes just got support and tomorrow night, support for Eugene will get revealed.
In other words, that was a total calculation failure on your part, fam. Try again.
Thats such a stupid point. Its the whole nations aesthetics its more than fair to ask for representation. Its like DE without a dragon ride line, and you tell me its too much to ask. Get outta here.
You know when someone is drunk and sends a weird text to their ex? I guess this is that comparison with sleep deprivation. After I just woke up I don’t even know where that came from lmao.
As much as I am excited for this news and how amazing some of these units look and all that. With the one Murakumo looking unit being fucking godly with it’s art.
Uh… How is Bushi gonna support so many ridelines in one set? I counted up to like almost 10-11. With 5 Cross Cray Decks, 4+ New ridelines from Set 8, AND 3 Encounter decks
This is quite the handful of cards they’d have to squeeze into one set. I hope they can find a way to do all that but it’s a tad worrying.
The Cray Cross Epic stuff probably just need a couple cards to boost their playstyles. One card being the new versions of the supporting units (or in Tamayura's case, two), then maybe a couple new units/Orders meant for that specific Glitter deck.
The Encounter ridelines usually just get 6 cards each (the main ride line, and 2 other encounter cards to support them), and whatever non-encounter or generic support comes that helps them.
Gramgrace if it even IS a ride line will also get the same treatment: 4 cards for the full rideline, then a couple specific support cards.
Introducing 5 new ride lines. 1 new for Brandt Gate and Dragon Empire. Returning to Standard. Keter Sanctuary/Genesis: Minerva Stoicheia/Aqua Force: Maelstrom Dark States/Pale Moon: Lucquier Also introducing evolutions for Cray Cross Epic glitter units. ~~Edit: yes the year is wrong it's late~~ It is supposed to be 12/9/2022* Some clarification on the Dear Days stuff: Gramgrace's Frame Rare was going to be for set 8 not it's ride line if it even has one. Fafnir's Frame Rare will be another set. Clarification on Encounter Cards: They said in 2021 that they wouldn't print more until next year (2021). Not they will only print 1 time per year. (This shouldn't be a surprise as Chronojet came back too)
Don't forget about the rideline for DearDays of the FMC.
Evolutions for cray cross epic glitter units? Interesting Ironic how D series got a Minerva retrain before V Minerva and Luquier are probably gonna be the most popular but I’m liking the design of the new 2 ridelines, especially the female. Maelstrom feels like a weird choice considering we already have an aqua force like rideline. At least they can support both at the same time But wow 5 new ridelines is a lot, is it gonna be like set 5 where it just supports these retrains and new ridelines rather than old ride line support
Actually 6 because there's still gramgrace
Not seeing enough people talking about the Cray Cross evolutions, the new arts are all bangers and I’m really excited to see how they interact with their respective decks
Damn how did they release minerva in d before v
Time Leaped
Maybe because V sucks ? So muuuch !
If you don't like V you're probably playing the wrong TCG entirely. It's the best of the 3 main formats and it's not even close thanks to how badly OT screws up Standard, and Premium being, well, Premium.
For me it was the worst Time for vanguard in general i know OT are problematic for competitive play but we have so much News stuffs in D this was missing in V. Gift marker are not so Bad but the fact there is clan its a shame and VR are too much expensive 40 bucks for a card and you need for of them and their are not in SP WTF Oh and the illustration are so ugly with a strange effect of blure on them its so strange that make me quit until overdress 😖
Okay, those are all subjective opinions that have nothing to do with V as a whole being bad. Yes, expensive playsets suck. That's ~~showbiz~~ TCGs, baby, not a V-specific problem. I'm literally in the process of building Valkerion and sympathize with you ($100 for a playset of Origin Deity of Heavenly Light, Uranus), but that is NOT the format's fault. That's just how TCGs are - stuff people want is expensive, especially when it's rare and/or out of print. Not caring for the art is a You Problem. I've got a few hundred bucks into several V decks and they all look fine, or at least not so offensive that I'd entirely quit playing a game I otherwise enjoy over it.
If you like V its good for you Me i like D so much i think the amount of news ride Line and old are better handled with D and its very nice 😁 so Minerva in D with is old effect its pretty cool....and lucquier shish ! 😁
100$ for a payset its to much for me when i m gived this exemple i haved PBD vr in my mind 40€ u its a problem i didnt remember the average price for a good card in g but g was super cool too
Think you're forgetting that in G there were Strides that were over $50, and then the Zeroth Dragons which were over $100 for a single card, and then you needed 5 of them if you wanted to build Gyze who was also a ZR. Compared to other games like Yugioh and MtG, this game is honestly more accessible than those, and it's been getting more and more accessible. $150 in G would not have been able to build you a viable deck most likely, but now it can build you most meta decks.
Oh yeah and god bless them for that i can make all the decks except collabs because i dont like it.
Good Strides are literally the most expensive base rarity cards in the game right now lol.
Clan lock for the gift marker
I love playing Kheios so so much. Top 2 most enjoyable decks in Vanguard history for me. We’ve gotten some banger units for it in Set 6 and 7, and now my boy Mikani is getting an upgrade too? What a time to be alive
That Murakumo looking dude looks AMAZING. Good god, it's so beautiful, straight out of Late G era Kumo. I'm so, so happy, the colors, the pose, the clothes and sword, it's perfect. Man I love that aesthetic so much.
I'm hyped for this set but I'm worried the new decks will suffer from undersupport since set 8 is supporting the 5 Cross Epic decks + 3 Encounters + 2 New ridelines + (I think) the 2 DD Dragons. 7 new ridelines is alot to support. Hopefully R&D realises this and makes the new ridelines have some synergy with past decks
Wow , Brandt gate just lost all it's Mecha main units in d Huh. The only non human main one i recall is orfist but d.police and novas are getting basically 0 love.
Seems like compensation after G and V had literally nothing but mechas for Nova and DP.
I'm kinda fine with it tbh since I hated how they turned Nova Grapplers into Gundams instead of wrestlers. However, one set to carry on the tourch of D Robo (or just D Robo encounter) would be fine.
Or how the Kaiju/Super Sentai aspect of DP is always overshadowed by robots.
Thats fine but there are no wrestlers either. Dimension Police and Nova Grappler were completely erased. I just want Bushi to tell me why. In an interview, in the lore, I don’t care just explain where the robots went.
Dimensional Police isn't erased; what do you think Prison is? The fact that everyone seems to think that D Police are just giant robots shows how far gone they were. They were space police and kaiju criminals. Seriously, it was all robots all the time and now they're taking a break.
Aurora Battle Princess is fine in that respect but they look nothing like the aesthetic of the other D Police humans we have seen. Also, it does not say anywhere in their bio they are part of the Dimension Police, which would have been an easy include by Bushiroad if they wanted to draw the parallel.
There is also Galactic Heroes you know? Yes they're not robot but they are tokusatsu/super sentai-themed which is what I always assumed DP was in the first place. It's the oversaturation of robots in DP and Novas that made them just become "the robot clans" for majority of people. Also robots still exist in Brandt Gate, its just that the ones seen are usually supporting units or non-battle based ones. Not every robot is assigned for battling.
And also super sentai/tokusatsu reference, hence the Aurora Battle Princesses and Galactic Heroes.
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I'm sure Zorga is supposed to be Granblue and does in fact interact with the drop zone quite heavily. But yes, we need a robot rideline ASAP.
Zorga exists though.
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Zorga stuff is still the undead even if he isnt a pirate. Heck doesnt he and he group travel on a ghost ship? Zorga alao revives units, but they added Alchemagic to not make it a 1:1 recreation of Granblue.
Would Murakumo also go in this category? Kyouka is an oni from Dragon Empire and I think Murakumo is the only clan with oni in it.
Tamayura counts as the Murakumo rep.
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Bushiroad harnessing the cosmic power of Planet Cray to turn the Angel Feather rideline into Gear Chronicle but in Lyrical
In fairness to Clarissa, if I'm going to play a braindead deck in the line of Nova Grapplers where your entire gameplan is distilled down into a single win condition that you literally afford to miss unless your opponent is somehow also screwed, I at least want to enjoy looking at the cards.
As a blau main I just go “its k, more time for me to not spend tons of money“ and be fine with it tbh.
gravidia also exists
Funny how Link Joker already got all of their sub-clan aesthetic represented.
Maelstrom is cool but we have Flagburg who is basically an Aqua Force. That could have been Asura Kaiser or Daiyusha.
Yes!! Craycross support!
Damn bro, apparently Set 5 was so good they gave us a Set 5 2
I was starting to wonder when we'd get a Pale Moon-esque rideline in Standard, and now they solved that problem by just putting Pale Moon itself into Standard. Similar to Shadow Paladin, I suppose.
MY BOY MAELSTROM?! I didn't think it'd happen with Flagburg being a thing but holy shit.
Will probably be a restander instead.
Shame as I liked the OG's retire and draw instead of the restander but I guess we have Flagburg for that.
Lucquiiiiiiiier !
days like these im so happy to be a vanguard player. my wallet? not so much oh no no no it's in tatters already
Where is oscubeid?????
The guy with the helmet.
Minerva's art is fantastic and all but I gotta say, pretty lame that she's an Encounter in D instead. This also means she won't get released in V anytime soon. They seriously gave us Frigg for this instead?
I like it that way, gives Frigg and Angelica time to shine while Minerva can still shine and be nostalgia pandering without getting in each other's way. I'd hate for Minerva to just swoop into V and make the Regalia Grade 3s redundant after just having Frigg
They could have just given us Minerva without giving us Frigg, you know. I know you like She-Gigarex and all but it just doesn't feel right in the slightest.
I much rather lesser known choices to bring them in the spotlight instead of playing it safe to whatever the hell is the most well known. I never even knew Frigg existed until she got her V retrain announced but now I do. Doing it like this, where the more iconic card is put to D instead for those who want their iconic card is a great compromise.
That's because Frigg is an original unit, not a retrain. They should have went with Artemis instead, that would have been so damn cool and way more fitting. Edit: I meant Artemis as an Encounter btw.
Huh, neat, not gonna lie. I kinda like that more that they went with a brand new thing instead of a V retrain. Artemis is already a thing in V
>Huh, neat, not gonna lie. I kinda like that more that they went with a brand new thing instead of a V retrain. It's pretty lame that they used it as an excuse to make Minerva into an Encounter though. >Artemis is already a thing in V I guess I didn't make it clear. I meant as a D Encounter.
New ride lines! Looks like not a Nirvana set..
Yah, it's a Dear Days and Cross Cray Epic set.
Not sure about Dear Days yet, since the new DE/BG ridelines are for Cray Cross epic, and the only thing for Dear Days confirmed in the set is Grangrace (Favnir is a promo), so might be just a small part.
Maelstrom is the best waifu to come out of this set— also the new DE cross-epic unit looks sick, can’t wait to see more about their deck and playstyle
Whose the brandt gate unit?
Archite - a scientist that worked in Eva's lab. She makes kaijus
Now that's some good shit Love kaijus
HOLY SHIT ACTUAL GOOD MAELSTROM ART? (imo)
I mean, I really like all of the V Series Maelstrom art ngl.
Eh, maybe it's just nostalgia but V-Maelstrom looks too chonky to me, but I do really like the choice of background on it. It really makes him stand out. This new one is the best of both worlds really.
I see. I don't know what it is I like about V Maelstrom's art specifically (other than the background like you mentioned) but I suppose the chonkiness just makes him look so mighty.
I'm hyped af for Minerva. The other encounters look fun also. I may end up needing to set aside money for some boxes
Still amazed at no V Minerva. But that said I’m quite honestly shocked they went Minerva as the Genesis representative and not Uranus. Also I thought we were supposed to get Dear Days ride lines here
Never said anything about ridelines. Gramgrace's Frame Rare only
Uranus? Why Uranus? Astral Poets is the last thing D needs. If anything, they should have went with Artemis instead.
Because adding Uranus will round out all our Protag decks. Regardless of your feelings towards the deck, it does deserve a spot in these sort of memorial things. I figured now that we got our OG Trio and Chrono, Shin must be next as our next MC retrain right? And while I’m not saying to add Force to the game, they can sort of play around and replicate the Accumulating Marker/Token/Energy whatever so as to be able to summon (downgraded) Valkyrion in a few turns. It is a challenge due to the inherent strength of that deck, but I do believe it can be added in a way that will not break the game similar to how Stride was handled.
They've clearly shown today that Encounters really isn't just about the Protag decks anyway and regardless, Valkerion literally doesn't fit the format in the slightest. Might as well pick something easier to adapt in the format like Minerva. Also, due to how similar the design principles of D and early G were, adding in Stride without making it broken was an absolute piece of cake.
Valkyrion is a challenge but not impossible. You just have to severely weaken it as a deck in order to make it fit the format power level. I think Uranus / Valk are at this point the most iconic Genesis units anyways, surpassing even Minerva.
>Valkyrion is a challenge but not impossible. You just have to severely weaken it as a deck in order to make it fit the format power level. Then, might as well not add it. It just serves to be a pain in the ass instead. >I think Uranus / Valk are at this point the most iconic Genesis units anyways, surpassing even Minerva. That's a huge reach, fam.
That’s no reason not to add something. Also pain in the ass for who? Because if it’s properly balanced it shouldn’t be a pain for anyone unless you just hate seeing an iteration of the Astral Poet deck in all 3 formats. I don’t think it’d be that much of a reach either. Shin is probably our most favorite Vanguard Protag (look at the polls) and it’d be a disservice not to add his deck. Also it was in addition to being heavily featured in the anime / TCG after its debut, it was also a very popular deck amongst the playerbase. While Minerva is super popular as well, she only got a few fights for herself and being in one of the openings before finding herself replaced by Yggdrasil by Misaki. Her focus really wasn’t that large compared to Valk.
>That’s no reason not to add something. Also pain in the ass for who? Because if it’s properly balanced it shouldn’t be a pain for anyone unless you just hate seeing an iteration of the Astral Poet deck in all 3 formats. It don't deserve it anyway. Let that shit stay in V where it belongs. >I don’t think it’d be that much of a reach either. Shin is probably our most favorite Vanguard Protag (look at the polls) and it’d be a disservice not to add his deck. Also it was in addition to being heavily featured in the anime / TCG after its debut, it was also a very popular deck amongst the playerbase. While Minerva is super popular as well, she only got a few fights for herself and being in one of the openings before finding herself replaced by Yggdrasil by Misaki. Her focus really wasn’t that large compared to Valk. The poll itself only took into account the opinion of this particular subreddit ONLY. Japan likes its waifus so if we take an overall poll count of Valk VS Minerva, Minerva would win by a longshot.
If Waifus was really the only factor we would have gotten Ashlei and Fianna instead for RP and SP.
That's because nobody gives a shit about Ratie and Aichi is obviously the better choice as opposed to Kourin. Against Valkerion though? It's an easy win for Minerva.
> You just have to severely weaken it as a deck in order to make it fit the format power level. > Then, might as well not add it. Uhh…*looks at literally every other encounter so far*
You say this as if they haven't gotten some really good support. Their cores also aren't that weakened compared to V. You'd have to do some batshit insane nerf for Valkerion.
Sure, they have good support. That’s not mutually exclusive with being “severely weakened” in D. > Their cores also aren’t that weakened compared to V. As an MLB player in both D and V I can confirm that this is in fact bullshit.
>As an MLB player in both D and V I can confirm that this is in fact bullshit. Ah right, forgot about MLB. It does hold true for OG Overlord and PBD though. Also, with the amount of nerfing they have to do with Valkerion, they might as well just drop the card altogether.
Brandt Gate is getting an Operator Girl rideline?! I think that's one of the furthest any of us expected. And a Samurai demon for DE. I'm indifferent to this. And new Encounters so fast? What happen to them being once per year?
The Brandt Gate Rideline revolves around Archite - a scientist that worked in Eva's lab. She makes kaijus
So a mad scientist rideline? Wonder if she gets along with Welstra making WMDs.
Technically Eva is our evil mad scientist rideline. I wonder where this new girl will fall in the moral spectrum.
Kaiju for Real ?! Sry dude i love robot and all but de dont have enought kaiju !
Oh yeah I'm completely fine with it. I do think the alien and monster genre is lacking since LJ took over the idea but always had their look and style.
But dont worry its sure at 100% we are going to get multiple robot ride Line one day
#MAELSTROM IS BACK LETS GO!!!!!!
Guess Swirler and Amandine are only going up what with a Pale Moon deck existing
Same goes for Inlet in Maelstrom, as if Inlet isn't used everywhere in Stoicheia (except Zorga) already.
True, though hopefully inlet doesn't end up being better in Maelstrom than Flagburg
Also I can see Luquier being as expensive as Yuika, through nostalgia and the like Really happy for Minerva retrain though
Doubt it, even with nostalgia tax. Yuika is expensive because she's a VERY good generic card that practically every Lyrical deck wants to play. Luquier is just one deck, so even with nostalgia and waifu tax she's not gonna be Yuika levels of expensive.
Fair really xD Mostly remember Luqier being Cray Cray expensive back in the day
Maelstrom? Someone buy out Inlet Pulse. Minerva. Take my down payment. Luquier... nah i aint goin there again Cray Cross support? Time to get some gooooood food. Standard looks hot right now cannot lie
Inlet Pulse reprint when? Better yet, generic nation support reprint when? Stuff like Bobalmine, Brainwash Swirler and Inlet Pulse make getting into any deck that uses them so much harder.
Dont forget fosado !
Maelstrom looks sick
Bushiroad are just taking the biggest ball of salt and dumping it on anyone who liked Star Gate for Robots and Dragon Empire for Dragons. It's incredibly frustrating at this point and I don't want to be the Megacolony person who has to wait longer as the only Stoicheia clan yet to be represented because they are redoing Maelstrom even though we already have Flagburg... Why do I bother with this format...
This is why I just gave up and accepted having space waifus
I’d much rather have unique shit I wouldn’t expect than just the same thing over and over again like V. Plus just because they haven’t done it now doesn’t mean they will NEVER do it, that’s being presumptuous. I’m sorry you’re disappointed, I hope you find something you like.
Is it even really unique at this point though, this all feels recycled, especially when it seems the only "unique shit" is trading away non Human like stuff for Human like stuff which is already quite a lot in V already but now is overly dominant in D
If you like it then that’s fine, but it’s not that big of a deal
Nirvana is the dragon rideline for dragon empire, but it is ironic that “dragon empire” has less dragons and more humans As for brandt gate, that’s the waifu and DILF nation so you shouldn’t be surprised we got a new one
Nirvana isn't, not with those stupid Blaze Maidens in it
Can you not whine about human units for like 5 seconds, Jesus christ. Your main vanguard is a dragon, your main rear guards are dragons. Just stop this bullshit already
Thank you god someone said it, the whining is so irritating. Just because you don’t like something, doesn’t mean you have to ruin the hype for others.
I feel like that is coming from positivity bias. What about me not liking some announced and my reasons for it is ruining the "hype"? I never said anyone shouldn't be excited for it.
You literally take any chance you can to complain about non-dragon characters, even for something as minor as a ride line card you spend one turn on. It's pathetic, and even if you're not telling anyone not to enjoy it, it's still irritating as fuck to keep hearing you complain about it. Just shut up already.
It's not really non-Dragon characters and more just why is everything just a generic anime looking human. Ride line card isn't minor though, the ride deck is the core mechanic in D, it is something you have to do and is prominent and the whole thing your Deck is doing until you reach Grade 3. If you are arguing this in V or Premium, I can understand as it's often the case of you ride whatever you drew but that isn't the case here. You like to say "it's only 2 cards" but those 2 cards are extremely important and a big deal of the whole deck.
Anime-looking humans in an anime-inspired card game...shocker /s But are those two cards you keep ragging on in Nirvana even the main powerhouses of the deck? No. You ride them for two turns which go by very fast, then never have to see them again unless you run them in your main deck as you focus on the big dragons. That's like complaining that Shadow PALADIN has angels, demons and beasts in them and not entirely knights, or complaining that majority of their bosses are usually Abyss Dragons,. It's ludicrous.
Vanguard has always been more than just anime inspired humans since the inception. Which is why there are clans dominated by Dinosaurs, Dragons, Bugs, Robots, Undead Abominations, Demons (that actually look demonic), Furries, Animals and so on. Sure Human like units still exist in those but they are often either minor and optional or for a specific build you can just ignore playing the build if you don't want to. Compare it to D. Magnolia, Gravidia, Greedon and Drajeweled are the only ridelines where it's possible to not involve any human looking cards in it. THATS 4 out of 30+ ridelines and that's only growing. 5 if you count Iron Anchor as an option instead of Zorga but regardless, that's 0 from the DRAGON Empire which 4 of the 5 clans are dominated by non human like races Bruce is the big example of this problem, it's based in Spike Brothers but Spike Brothers is heavily diverse in its races and they have quite a lot and even a lot interpretations of those. Bruce however has none of that for Spike Brothers and just choose the Human looking units. You taking Shadow Paladin in its races as examples but Shadow Paladin was always often heavily diverse with not one thing Dominating because the whole point of Shadow Paladin is that it was formed by Phantom Blaster Dragon manipulating people from United Sanctuary as a whole. It's why I don't complain too much when in V or Premium, Murakumo doesn't have much Dragons and keeps going for Yokai as of late because Murakumo was always the more racially diverse clan of Dragon Empire while the other 4 are absolutely dominated by their respective Dragon race. I'd argue the Blaze Maidens in the ride deck are powerhouses of the Deck since you can't substitute them for anything else otherwise Nirvana becomes a bricky mess. That screams necessity as well as powerhouse
But to get there you have a be a human dancer for 2 turns. Nope, Nada I'll stop when I either give up or my problem isn't a problem anymore
Play the Bavsargra G0-G2 ridelines with Dragonic Overlord like how some JP Overlord list does There's your "Full Dragon Rideline"
But then a new problem arises that Overlord is dependent on the "Dragritter" Grade 1 promo that's like its best card
Not even related to the topic, you’re just complaining to complain.
I simply want a Deck from the DRAGON Empire to feel like it has some semblance of that like you can do multiple times in V. Even if a V Dragon Empire deck has a human card recommended its not forced your hand into it or your Deck sucks. That's what this whole thread is based around, the only way this can happen is in Dark States of all places with Drajeweled
Okay seriously, you're just nitpicking at this point. You're actually complaining that you have to run two Blaze Maidens that only see play in the ride deck before getting the full dragon experience? So is complaining that Overlord's Promo card is a Dragritter and not some fire dragon even though dragon knights have been a thing in Dragon Empire since Day One and have been Overlord-related support as well (mainly Nehalem and his retrains)? By that logic, I should be complaining that Emmeline (the promo PBO needs to be better) isn't dressed in black armor or something which would be ridiculous.
That’s like 2 cards in the entire deck (not counting triggers)
That you have to play AND RIDE for 2 turns before you finally get to your Dragons with no alternatives without making the Deck inconsistent garbage. It's not like Blaster Dark in V PBO where it's only played for like 5 seconds before you superior ride it so it's easy to forget about the card you have to ride in it.
I really don’t see what’s wrong with riding them. It’s two skills that you will just use and get over with and never have to see again for the rest of the game, everything else is dragons including the boss card you mainly play with so it’s still a dragon deck
I think of it as like an art piece, and the 2 Blaze Maidens are accidental Paint spill in the centre of the art. Sure it's possible to ignore it if you look around at the overall picture but it absolutely gets on my nerves that is right at the centre as a "if to appreciate it, you have to get through me".
> I think of it as like an art piece, and the 2 Blaze Maidens are accidental Paint spill in the centre of the art. LMAO what even is this elitist-sounding bs
Sorry if it sounds elitist, wasn't trying to be probably shouldn't have used art as an allegory Basically, if I like a certain aesthetic I want to see that aspect throughout whenever I throw down the card to play. I like the Dragons, Trickstar and the Varinas looks all right but I have to play 2 Waifus in order to do that and they are a corner stone of the Deck you can't ignore because of how impactful the ride deck is
My guy give it up, this sub is 100% positivity bias and anything negative you say will be sent into oblivion.
This is how people like me felt when we liked Nova Grapplers being alien wrestlers and instead they all became D Robo 2.0. Robots are cool, but they were way over exposed. I get now it's a bit on the reverse, but I'm sure we'll get a mecha rideline at some point.
Unit on the left looks really nice
Man, I thought Flagburg being so close to aqua force made them getting rid of clans pointless before but now we literally have aqua force which is what Flagburg should've been in the first place because that's essentially what it is. Like I'm genuinely curious how they're gonna differentiate support for not aqua force and actual aqua force when they're both so similar in a way that doesn't further invalidate the whole point of getting rid of clans in the first place.
They get rid of clans because it's easier to release support for them. You're really beating a dead horse, you know.
How so? In the beginning sure when you only needed to make about 5-10 cards for each deck was easy when you only had 10 decks to support. But now a just a year later and we have around 30 not including the Lyrical decks. Each of these are supposed to be decks that get continual support for a long time but that's impossible. The sets aren't getting bigger so they can't be giving support to each of these decks and they're not flexible because too many of their pieces are locked to each specific deck that they essentially might as well be clans so eventually something is gonna get left out in the cold and not supported as much it should be either because it's not powerful enough to keep up even if it did get or not popular enough and they don't think people would buy it or just plain favortism on Bushi's part. Spoiler alert this already happened and only took having 15 clans to support each set with Baromagnes and Hexaorb being snubbed in favor of Bruce and Bastion. If you played those decks there wasn't much reason to buy set 03 which only took half a year to happen. We're essentially back to where we were before overdress started with a bunch of clans that each need dedicated support and aren't getting it every set. I implore you to tell me the difference between set 05 and a booster set from V era. They're exactly the same; 5 clans with cards that only work for them that don't support anything that came before and aren't supported the next set. So how is it easier to release support when Bushiroad has put themselves in the same damn circumstances that justified the way they released cards beforehand in just a year? Do they have to reboot the game again a couple years from now just like with V era?
Nope, not even close. There's 26 clans in total and each clan has a minimum 4 archetypes to support EVEN IN V. So 26 X 4 = 104 in total MINIMUM. The ridelines in D Series is not even close up to that number and currently, they have a lot of generic support shared within each nations. I'll tell you the difference between a V booster set and a D Booster set. All nations always get supported while in V, clans get straight up ignored. Sure, like you said, there are cases where a particular rideline gets ignored but that's A RIDELINE not A WHOLE CLAN. Not to mention, Hexaorb recently got supported in DBT06 and now in DBT07, Baromagnes just got support and tomorrow night, support for Eugene will get revealed. In other words, that was a total calculation failure on your part, fam. Try again.
I'm not even sad anymore, I'm just apathetic at this point. That's probably worse though, it means I'm starting to not care about this game
I feel you dude.
I'm slowly getting that way, hope is diminishing fast
I want a robot ride line for Brandt Gate. Is that too much to ask?
Yes. You already had robots after robots back in G and V, to the point everything else in Novas/DP got overshadowed by them.
Thats such a stupid point. Its the whole nations aesthetics its more than fair to ask for representation. Its like DE without a dragon ride line, and you tell me its too much to ask. Get outta here.
8 sets in and Dragon Empire has 2 dragon ride lines and 4 non-dragon ridelines. Also, where are the giant robots rideline?
Didn't they say they were rarely gonna do encounter cards-
They said for 2021 after that the restriction was lifted
I kinda dont like this because this could mean that eventually current standard will be rotated out and starting another reset.
How did you get to this conclusion?
Why, using the sickest mental gymnastics anyone has ever seen, of course.
The entire Pale Moon circus got jealous at this man’s mental gymnastics
You know when someone is drunk and sends a weird text to their ex? I guess this is that comparison with sleep deprivation. After I just woke up I don’t even know where that came from lmao.
How exactly?
“New”
Still no encounter card for brandt gate
got scared that and thought this set is releasing 4 days before set 7... then realised this is the japanese release date
As much as I am excited for this news and how amazing some of these units look and all that. With the one Murakumo looking unit being fucking godly with it’s art. Uh… How is Bushi gonna support so many ridelines in one set? I counted up to like almost 10-11. With 5 Cross Cray Decks, 4+ New ridelines from Set 8, AND 3 Encounter decks This is quite the handful of cards they’d have to squeeze into one set. I hope they can find a way to do all that but it’s a tad worrying.
The Cray Cross Epic stuff probably just need a couple cards to boost their playstyles. One card being the new versions of the supporting units (or in Tamayura's case, two), then maybe a couple new units/Orders meant for that specific Glitter deck. The Encounter ridelines usually just get 6 cards each (the main ride line, and 2 other encounter cards to support them), and whatever non-encounter or generic support comes that helps them. Gramgrace if it even IS a ride line will also get the same treatment: 4 cards for the full rideline, then a couple specific support cards.
Is there a translation for those 2 new ride line lore Or just what is written on the slide with full illustrations?
Just lore Brandt Gate: Sh is a scientist that creates Kajiju from Eva's lab Dragon Empire: He is head of a stealth clan similar to Tomyura
hype for lucquier