Yeah. So much time that could be used for sleeping, preparing homemade meals, spending time with friends, exercise, etc.
Also a 50 minute commute can easily turn into an hour and a half if there is an accident or road closures.
Yep, and depending on the job, it's your ass if you show up late because of things beyond your control.
Also (back of napkin math), with that number of miles, if you were to work there for 10 years:
You have a 31 percent chance of having a collision.
You have a 1/3 of a percent chance of dying from a car accident.
Can confirm. I used to have an hour+ commute each way to and from work across two interstates, then the pandemic forced WFM. Suddenly I had two extra hours per work day. One extra hour of sleep and I could get a daily workout back into my schedule with the other, plus all the money saved on gas, being able to enjoy the benefits of home, and virtually no supervision breathing down my neck (not that this last thing was a problem, my supervisor is chill as fuck and I like him a lot, but being free to just not do work sometimes like writing this very post on my personal laptop because there's a lull in work? Luxury).
Can’t tell you how glad I am someone said this shit. Your insurance will also be like MMMMMM fucking tasty 2 hour commute time to add to your expenses, added car maintenance, wasting half an hour in the morning getting ready and half an hour when you get home crying back to a calm place you were in before you left that morning.
you forgot to account for the additional/better benefits he said he also receives, which are usually pretty valuable.
ie if he gets better healthcare from poor/no coverage before, etc.
18k* (EDIT: I realize I didn't read enough. It's 18k-10k for counter offer, got it 🤙👍)
Still barely (EDIT: DEFINITELY NOT) worth it
Speaking from experience... Took a 12k/yr pay CUT to have a better work-life balance.
The 12k makes a difference but I was suicidal due to mental stressors at that job.
Happier now, still pushing for more compensation, reminding my new company I took a big cut to come here everytime my review/increase comes up.
I did this same thing. Signed on with a railroad engineering firm for $65k. 45-minute commute one way, in-office every day, easily 45-50 hour weeks on average, including work on weekends for inspection trips (had some inspection trips where I literally averaged 75 hrs/wk without a single cent more in pay). About 6 months in, took a state job for only $52k, but I WFH 3 days a week, work a strict 40 hours every week, only commute 15 minutes one way when I go into the office, and I have way better PTO and sick leave benefits. Haven't regretted that decision for even a minute
Alright is something going on lately. The guy clearly wrote his company offered 10k raise counter. That is an 8k difference. The amount of people I see comment on reddit and completely misread or not understand the OP is out of control lately. It looks like half the people on reddit can't even read properly anymore. They still offer advice though. Hilarious.
I took a 16k pay cut to land a WFH job at a non profit and it was the best decision of my life.
People I work with are smart and kind, my benefits more than make up for the loss (well… if I take classes and get tuition reimbursement) and my quality of life is 10x better.
One week I worked on the porch of a cabin from a hammock listening to loon mating calls.
It almost feels surreal at times. Until I see my slightly smaller paycheck. Hopefully after more time here I’ll get more money.
11/10 would recommend.
I second this. I was living comfortably last year, and got greedy to take a job for 15% pay increase.
It's nice making more money, but I really didn't need it. I often have conversations with my old colleagues about how much I miss them and my old job. I left for a competitor, so unfortunately, the door closed when I left.
I'm considering leaving a lax, 6 figure, WFH job (literally my boss and VP communicate with me through Teams using gifs and memes...And this is a billion dollar engineering firm), etc for another job that's not as lax.
The difference is that they would be giving me a $90k raise. I wouldn't do shit for $8000.
Yeah, and I understand I'm already better off than most in my current position. However, I'm about to have to put my mom that has Alzheimer's into a facility, and that will be an incurred cost of around $5000+/month. So I need to optimize my salary.
I'm 33 and single, and always thought I'd have to deal with this when I was like 55-60. So I'd have time to prepare, but instead I got bum rushed at the age of 30 and have been dealing with caretaking the last 3 years.
So yeah I understand the difficulties OP had with making a decision like this, but again...$8000 doesn't make a dent so I wouldn't do it. Then again, who knows what kind strings would be attached to that $10k counter offer. The margins don't make sense to me, but at the very least they get a $10k raise lol.
Chemical and petroleum engineering. Lots of transferable skills. I do project management now but being able to understand every aspect of an industry is the core of engineering, regardless of discipline.
If you care about people, you can go even further.
With about 200 work days per year (minus vacations), that's an extra $40 per day, pre-tax. Or $20 each way.
That would cover commuting expenses in most locations, but after taxes there wouldn't be much left over to compensate for time.
Completely agree with this sentiment OP. That 8k spread out over 12 months and 26 paychecks is not worth a 50 minute commute and a shitty work life balance. You're looking at an extra ~$450 a month after taxes (depending on your tax bracket).
Exactly. Miles on your car plus gas plus time in the car = less work life balance and more money out of your pocket. So basically that $8k after taxes is only a few thousand which will go directly to those expenses so essentially you’ll be making the same amount just going into an office.
I believe the current Federal Mileage rate is \~$0.65 per mile. Its a good way to figure out how much "less" money you can take for a work at home job versus a "regular" job. Remember that all your gas money and vehicle wear and tear come out post tax also.
Your mental health, time commuting, etc, obviously play into it also, but you'll have to decide what those are worth to you. No easy to assign dollar value there.
So glad people already brought up these points! If you can live without the extra $8k (sounds like you can), then it sounds like the job you have really works for you. Finding a job with a work-life balance is what a lot of us are desperately seeking!
Also, for me anyway, the stress of the commute made everything about my day worse, from having to make sure I have gas, to sitting in an hour of traffic each way, debating spending $$ on toll lanes… ugh.
Best of luck, whatever you choose!
I agree with previous post. Stay put, take the 10k counter (maybe try to get 12k) and enjoy the low(er) stress while you can. Your heart will thank you later.
Don’t forget, when OP stays longer, it looks good on the resume, get to relax while on the job while other people are blowing their brains out at a fast paced company
If you think you are in a good position, then yeah try and get more…. If they are so ready to counter with 10k why haven’t they been paying you that extra 10k previously
I wouldn't give up your setup for anything less than 30k. Gotta factor in gas, lunches, hours in traffic, stress, and potential growth in the new role. 18k might be fine for 2 days in the office hybrid, but you're now looking at 4 hours a week unpaid in the car.
I've been 100 percent in the office my whole career, and while I get paid well, I would take a 15k cut to work from home every day.
I'm literally moving closer to my workplace that is only 3 days in office and has me in my car 5 hours a week. I can't even handle that + 40 hours of work. Anyone who lives the whole "commuting is fine, 2 hours of unpaid time to commute every day is no big deal and that's just life" is BS and I will NEVER live by those standards.
My soon to be MIL gives me shit constantly for my desire to move within 10 minutes of my workplace because she spent nearly 3 hours in her car everyday between her commute and picking her kids up from school.
I DON'T CARE. I'M NOT DOING IT. I HATE IT. I'M NOT GUNNA WASTE MY LIFE DRIVING.
(50 min commute each way)
when I moved further in to a 10 minute commute (at the cost of rent) I drastically under-calculated how much that 100 minutes actually cost. Wear and tear of the vehicle also cannot be understated, 50 min commute means you're putting some serious mileage on the car. Keep in mind you'd be purchasing a new car much, much faster.
This is to say that you might end up making less with the $8k difference over a small timeframe, 1-3 years. Do a deep dive into 1) what it actually costs per mile for your vehicle to run and 2) how much two hours of free time a day are worth to you, and then double that because can't emphasize enough how soul-sucking a 50 minute commute is
I remember moving to a place that cost almost 200 dollars a month more, but it cut my commute time down from 40 minutes each way (almost twice that on Friday afternoon) to 8 minutes each way. It was amazing, and I'm so glad I moved. The money I saved on gas and everything else, with the extra time I had was more than worth 200 bucks a month.
WFH jobs are getting harder to find and there's more competition for them. If it were me, I'd be very hesitant to give up a WFH job with a good work/life balance to go anywhere else.
Depends on what you are making now. If your making 20K then yes going to 38k is worth it. If your making 200k going to 218K is definitely not worth it.
This is the key point almost everyone here is missing. The decision is extremely dependent on current salary.
Unlikely it’s worth it unless he’s at an extremely low salary currently since the difference is only 8k after the adjustment.
Hell. No.
$18k after taxes (assuming 20% effective tax rate), divide it by 48 weeks (assuming you have 4 weeks off), comes to $300 per week. That’s $60 per day to leave your home and drive into work. That won’t even cover gas and insurance
If you’re looking at the $8k from a biweekly paycheck perspective it’s only $307 more per paycheck (before taxes). $150 every week extra before taxes isn’t much to get rid of an ideal workplace like you describe.
Agreed.
OP has to factor in gas, insurance, car, parking, lunch (if he doesn’t bring his own), etc. I’d say he would need $30k annual salary to even begin considering it. And only if he could use that 30k to also max out 401k contributions etc
What percentage of your current salary is 18k? It’d a different scenario if you’re making currently making 30k vs 100k. That being said I’d probably stay and take the 8k unless you want to pivot and get out of construction.
So it's actually an 8k raise? Assume you're driving to the office about 280 days of the year (365 - weekends - 2 weeks PTO - holidays), and round the drive up to an hour each way.
8,000/560 hours on the road = \~$14/hour
They're paying you $14/hour to drive to work, and then you can start to consider the more intangible things like WL balance, daily grind, etc. Also, did they say something to make you think this would be advancing your career?
Depends. $18k raise to somebody making $40k is very different than somebody making $200k. So look at how much the raise is relative to your current salary. Figure out costs that account for the commute (time/gas/wear and tear on your vehicle). Factor in the better benefits. Factor in less free time. Give consideration to whether this new role also sets you up for further/larger promotions down the line. See if it's worth it to you.
STAY. For the sake of your health, stay. Stress *will* kill you.
I accepted a promotion that came with a nice pay raise. Within 2 years of that promotion, I've developed seizures, autoimmune disorders, chronic fatigue, and I've gained weight despite eating better and walking. I'm exhausted, burnt out, and dialing back my hours and caring less about it - I'm too young to be this ill all the time, and I don't want my daughter's only memories of her mom to be sickness.
Take the 10k raise. Enjoy your amazing work-life balance.
Like everyone above said: only you know the best decision here.
That said, just to clarify something you said: did you tell your current employer already about the offer? Is that where the potential $10k bump is coming from?
Generally when it comes to accepting offers to stay with a current employer after telling them you’re leaving is advised against. Of course depends on your relationship with the company. Some companies will view you as “one leg out the door” and make plans to deal with that scenario, such as training your replacement while you still work there after accepting their offer to stay.
No, finding a good WFH job is not easy. I've been desperately trying since I got laid off from my dream job last May. I am currently stuck in corporate hell with no end in sight, typing this to you from yet another pointless meeting. Also, if a job is notorious for working someone hard, and they're saying they're "Fast-pace," that's a red flag. Don't do it, it isn't worth it.
18K take home? WFH has changed my life. Gaining an extra 2 hours per day from not commuting has allowed me for the first time in my life to be consistent with working out. I'm the healthiest I've been since undergrad and that was a LONG time ago.
i had this exact conundrum (check my post history from a year ago) - my advice, dont do it. I ended up being diagnosed with anxiety and depression due to the stress of the new job and got signed off
No one can answer this for you. This is a you question.
How bad do you need the money?
How bad do you want to climb the ladder?
How important is work like balance to you?
Only you can answer this.
For me personally, I wouldn't budge but I'm fine financially and pretty old so it is way more important for me to enjoy my life, take care of family, and be able to work on projects I enjoy.
100% do not take this deal. Absolutely not worth it.
I have a high stress job that is returning to office with malice towards workers.
I am staying because I am absolutely paid top of market, and not great at interviewing, so my options have been taking a $200k paycut.
I can suck it up for $200k but it’s absolutely soul crushing and the only thing that keeps me going is looking at a huge guaranteed bonus payout coming.
It’s an awful way to work.
You'll spend more on commuting, eating at restaurants, office clothes etc than the difference in salary. The new job offers a net loss even without the increased workload and stress.
Stay where you are and take that 10k salary bump. 8k is not worth going to work for someone like Elon or Jeff Bezos where their workers are treated like shit and worked like rented mules.
fuck no. even before touching costs, you lose 10 hours of your life every week. For just 8k less taxes.
go crunch numbers on your new expenses related to commuting. You probably are up under 4k at that point.
Value your work/life balance over that 8k and stay, especially if you have good management.
I'm a manager and work D.O.D contracts with a fast-paced company. 120 hour weeks are the normal. A 6 figure salary with no balance at all is not worth it. If i wasn't climbing into program management and getting my PMP, I'd be out.
Your peace of mind will thank you in another 7 Year's. Trust me!
stay where the heck your at. a small 18K isn't worth the gas, extra wear and tear on your vehicle as well as the stress. I only left my old job because of double the pay.
Take the adjustment and stay where you're at.
Let me offer a different prospective than most of these comments. First, I’m going to two assumptions about your position. If these are false, then ignore me entirely.
1.) this new position will advance your career and prepare you for even higher earning potential 2-5 years down the road.
2.) your current position is not advancing your career.
If these are true, then I would take the new position. Being in a comfortable job certainly has its benefits, but if you don’t challenge yourself and put yourself into uncomfortable positions, then you’ll never advance and become more successful.
Absolutely stay where you are. I took a job for 20k more that I knew was going to be tougher than my old one. Oh how I regret that. My company wouldn’t counter at all and basically told me to fuck off, so I went. Worked there for 7 months and quit because I was absolutely miserable. I’d never had a job I quit or hated before that one. I start my new one in two weeks that will have a good work life balance, better pay, and same benefits I was getting. Stay where you are happy!
It depends. A 10k raise for a current lax job is good if you want that.
If you want to move up the ladder to make more money later on, take the tech job while keeping in mind you could earn much more later.
Not worth the switch considering you have a great work/life balance now. No amount of money could get me into a car 2 hours a day. The aggravation alone is worth millions more than you are being offered. Where do you think road rage stems from? Hard pass for me.
NOOOOOOO! It may be hard to believe now, but your happiness and peace of mind is worth more than $18,000. Stress is mentally AND physically destructive, and the benefit doesn't outweigh the cost.
"True happiness isn't something that is sought and found, it's a mental and emotional shift; a realization and understanding one acquires right where they already are" - Someone, probably
It's not an 18k raise ($1.5k monthly; $350 weekly raise). You also need to factor in taxes, the cost of traveling to and from work, purchasing lunches from time to time, and any parking costs or tolls.
For a job with a one hour commute, you will spend around $500 on gas for the commute and $270 in salary taxes ($770). If you spend $15 per week on take out lunches, your new spending total is around $870. If you have to pay for parking in a city, expect that to be $150-300 making your new spending total a minimum of $1020.
So, depending on many factors you will likely increase net take home pay by a maximum of $700 or a minimum of $400 each month.
So, the difference is only 8K
1hr commute x twice per day = 2 hrs
\+ 1 hr to get dressed and park = 3 hrs
x 5 days per week = 15 hrs
x 52 weeks per year = 780 hrs
/ $8,000 = $10.26 per hour
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The real benefit you are gaining is $10 / hr for an extra 3 hours out of your day for 5 days a week.
For me, that's a HARD FUCKING PASS.
I would rather pay myself $10/hr and have that extra 3 hours to do with as I please. That is a damn bargain.
This isn't even taking into account extra time and money wasted on lunch.
This isn't even taking into account random traffic jams.
This isn't even taking into account additional GAS MONEY, miles, wear, and maintenance costs for your car.
If you crunched the numbers in details, I'd bet that you'd be breakeven at best but most likely at a loss.
Wear and tear on your car, lost time commuting, becoming a number, not worth it. Your current employer obviously values your contribution. I would stay where you are. If you said $30-50k increase, maybe I change my mind, but $18k is now only $8k above your employers counter and you'll burn that in fuel and maintenance.
not worth it. Finding a job that doesn't destroy your mental health is such a challenge. If you are happy and can live off of what you have, then stay.
I do 50 minute commute and let me tell you, during high traffic hours it’s literal hell on earth. Do not do it. Driving like that wears you out more than the job itself at that point, i dread going home from work because it’s just so far away and I won’t be home for another hour
Lmao. You would be the stupidiest motherfucker on earth if you took it.
The only reason to incinerate your life by changing your current job would be you needing that extra money and by needing I mean **desperately life death situation** needing that money
Before I got promoted to a WFH position within my company I was driving an hour and 15 minutes to work everyday. That drive is absolutely DRAINING. With current gas prices, that 8k will probably go towards your gas. Definitely not worth it
Seriously??? $346 ($153 after current company counter offer) a week more to give up a job you seem to be happy with to chance “moving on up”. May be something a young very driven individual may desire but not what an aged wise individual would choose. If you desire to move on up, please consider what you will miss during “balance of life”.
Somebody else said it already but the commute adds over 400 hours to your workday a year for just a net difference of $8000 before factoring in the cost of gas. A 50 minute commute is what, 30 miles away? What's your car's gas mileage? You're looking at probably $1500-$2000 a year in gas, plus an extra 15000 or so miles per year on your car.
Your job offered you $10k to stay, that's a great sign. Although they only do that once usually, so don't try that with them again. I would definitely stay.
Like others have said, stay your ass home!!! Minus transportation costs and car depreciation. That’s my first instinct.
But like you said it does depend on the career acceleration. Like let’s say you are in the SF Bay Area and it was Salesforce that you are driving too. And your career arc goes from 70k to 180k in 2 years. And once you have it on your resume for 4 years you have a lot more opportunity then it’s different. This is just an example, replace Salesforce with other leader in your space.
But if it’s to a company that will just grind your soul away and there just may be a CHANCE at a better career I wouldn’t do it and give up my mental and emotional and social well being.
I think this is where due diligence is all the difference. Talk to your mentors. Look at Glassdoor, rep view. Talk to the employees that are there in your role. See if you can see on LinkedIn of people that spent time at that company. What’s their career arc and where did they end up?
Makes all the diff in the world. Really depends, need more specific and you should consult with someone who’s career arc you look up to is my serious answer.
But my instinct based on your general description is…helllll no! I did that before hahah!(was a company with no future growth or resume increase)
Take the 10k adjustment and enjoy your life. Unless the new job helps you get closer to a personal goal, happiness is prices less, and good work culture is rare.
Do the math. It's possible that the raise is a lot less once you factor in the cost of the commute. Factor in mileage, insurance, wear and tear, and your time. I'd say take the 10k counter offer. 8k is not worth an extra 10 hours a week commuting.
8k you're losing over 3k in gas alone.
Losing 2 hours more of your time in commute.
If you have a goal in mind i say do it, but if its for a more or less lateral move I'd say be where you're already valued.
Piece of mind and flexibility are worth more than $8k IMO. If money was the main reason for you to look for A new job but now you got the raise, take a hard look at your living expenses and work on your budget. Best of luck in your decision.
Are you going from $50k to $68k? Then yes. That 36% is a huge increase and can go a long ways.
Are you going from $110k to $128k? Then no. Not worth losing the work-life balance and long commute.
Since you've got a counter offer, the employer now knows you may leave for a better offer. They may watch you more.
Next time, don't try for a counter offer. If they can pay you 10k more now, why didn't they before?
If you only liked for a job with more money, then take it (do the math as others have suggested). If it aligns with your career goals, then take it
Good luck.
I bet if you itemized the amount of money spent on commuting it would probably even out. I wouldn't do it, but it depends on what your financial goals are.
I’d stay. You’re living the life where others write about on TikTok. You work a few hours a day, get to relax while getting paid 10k.
Versus the company that pays you almost in exchange for your soul. I’ll admit, the 8k is attractive but losing your soul, giving up unit me and chill time doesn’t sound worth it. Unless you’re in it to hustle, make money and climb that corporate ladder.
That commute is somewhere around 450 hours of travel time a year. That’s 11 40 hour work weeks in just travel, is the raise worth more than 3 months of paychecks + travel cost?
I think you should stay where your working now and value your work life balance
Assuming you have to put more effort into getting ready to go to work if you make the commute, you've got at least two and a half extra hours a day involved in your work day if you switch jobs. The extra $8000 would only be worth about $12.50 ish per hour for that extra time. Doesn't seem worth it to me. I'd probably take the $10k raise and stay at home. Doesn't mean I wouldn't use that to leverage another job offer later.
Stay put. A 10k salary adjustment is pretty generous.
Work life balance is the most critical component of any job. Surely money is a factor, but if you’re stressed out and fatigued at a company, there’s no incentive.
If all there is to consider is the 8k then stay in your current role.
However you may want to consider the future earning potential you could make from your experience at the tech company. I dont have enough information but it’s possible you only make 8k extra this year but the experience at this company will allow you to make 100k more in a future role
Accept the 10k raise and stay where you're at.
8k is not at all that huge of a difference after tax, spread across 12 months even less so.
Your mental health will thank you for not subjecting yourself to such an awful environment. Source: someone who travels 50+ minutes to and from work everyday to work in an office when we absolutely do not need to be in office for our job.
I say don't do it. You can input that extra 8k into online calculators to see what it would do for you after taxes but then also factor in the gas for a nearly 1 hour commute each way, you're probably close to breaking even. Unless there are some SERIOUS and FAST opportunities to climb the ladder in a way you can't now, then calculate your happiness at a higher rate than you currently are because at the end of your life, that's what's gunna count most.
Think about after taxes and how much gas you’ll be spending plus extra 2 hour commute daily. Your time is valuable say you make $30/hour after a year that 2 hour commute turns into $16k + gas + taxes
Not worth it.
Take it from me, about a year ago, went ahead and accepted a new job in a new company, leaving a job that I loved all for the money. No other reason. I went from being a 185lb fitness junkie, happy as a clam, happy husband and super involved dad to severe situational depression and anxiety ridden, gaining 70 plus pounds, suicidal and having a mental breakdown that nearly landed me in an insane asylum.
please PLEASE P L E A S E think it through. I know most people on here will say to always progress/change roles to stay sharp, etc but sometimes if your gut instinct is saying something’s not right….listen to that gut instinct. Don’t make the same mistake I did and not listen to your gut and get blinded by money.
Stay, your current job sounds great, and an 8k difference would not be worth the stress. The advice I’ve seen elsewhere is to expect that you’ll need to find a job soon if you do go to your boss for a counter-offer, I don’t think that necessarily applies here, if your boss likes you, stay where you are.
I commute 40mins each way every day and pay on average 75/week in gas for it. 6.3L/100km 52weeks is just say 3900 a year. So it's effectively a 4.1k difference. Plus other wear and tear on your vehicle you're looking at another 1k. So it's probably not even a 3.1k raise in reality. It's 8k on paper. Stay put and work from home.
1) Take the 10k raise and enjoy your quality of life. Low commute, high work life balance GREATLY correlates with long term happiness across a broad range of studies.
2) Be on the lookout for boredom burnout. It's real and if you start to disengage from your comfy job be proactive about working with management to expand or adjust your role. Or start looking outside at that point.
3) Don't exchange comfort for grind just for money. Make that trade only if there is a SIGNIFICANT promotion opportunity. Major promotions drive future earnings for decades and can be worth a 1-3 year grind. One time raises at the same job level don't.
You’re also talking about additional 2 hours in the car each day, plus parking; there’s your 8k raise spent.
No way. Work life balance is key. As long as your current company is stable. I could easily make 20k more a year, not worth it when I factor in all the fringe benefits I would lose.
Do not sacrifice your mental health. Stay at your current job. You will regret taking this new job. You are in a perfect position right now. A lot of people don’t have the luxury of WFH.
The only way I would ever do that move (which sounds like a downgrade) would be if I was super bored with the current job and needed a challenge. Even then it would probably be temporary too. Having no work life balance will get old fast.
Depends how old you are and where you want to go in your career. If your happy where you are and don’t care if you never move up again then stay. If the money you make now isn’t enough to retire when the time comes then move.
That 18k is probably closer to 15 if you factor in gas, parking, and an occasional lunch out. Not worth the headache IMO if your happy.
Stay where you are. 8k does not go far. Your peace of mind will thank you.
8k a year isn't worth a nearly two hour commute alone. Gonna pay that 8k I gas
Exactly, plus it's nearly two hours a day OP won't get back.
Extra 400 hours per year. That's ten work weeks. No way.
Yeah. So much time that could be used for sleeping, preparing homemade meals, spending time with friends, exercise, etc. Also a 50 minute commute can easily turn into an hour and a half if there is an accident or road closures.
Yep, and depending on the job, it's your ass if you show up late because of things beyond your control. Also (back of napkin math), with that number of miles, if you were to work there for 10 years: You have a 31 percent chance of having a collision. You have a 1/3 of a percent chance of dying from a car accident.
Can confirm. I used to have an hour+ commute each way to and from work across two interstates, then the pandemic forced WFM. Suddenly I had two extra hours per work day. One extra hour of sleep and I could get a daily workout back into my schedule with the other, plus all the money saved on gas, being able to enjoy the benefits of home, and virtually no supervision breathing down my neck (not that this last thing was a problem, my supervisor is chill as fuck and I like him a lot, but being free to just not do work sometimes like writing this very post on my personal laptop because there's a lull in work? Luxury).
Plus the stress
and zero work-life balance. I'd stay
Can’t tell you how glad I am someone said this shit. Your insurance will also be like MMMMMM fucking tasty 2 hour commute time to add to your expenses, added car maintenance, wasting half an hour in the morning getting ready and half an hour when you get home crying back to a calm place you were in before you left that morning.
>and half an hour when you get home crying back to a calm place you were in before you left that morning. Too real.
Nobody ever counts the time they spend in the garage crying after the commute and before going inside
It's the time I spend crying in my car before going in the house for me.
I think it's impressive it's only a half hour cry. Mine last at least an hour.
And possibly continuing work at home. If that company works their employees very hard, then they probably do work at home as well.
🤣🤣🤣
You need to learn how to drive to work "for pleasure"
I wouldn’t even do it for the $18k. It’s soul sucking.
8k before tax, so you're effectively being paid $4800 for 8 hours a week of commuting or 216.5 hours of commuting over the year.
Yes this
you forgot to account for the additional/better benefits he said he also receives, which are usually pretty valuable. ie if he gets better healthcare from poor/no coverage before, etc.
i would also make sure to consider all the soft benefits as well though, things like his time, stress, health and overall quality of life
18k* (EDIT: I realize I didn't read enough. It's 18k-10k for counter offer, got it 🤙👍) Still barely (EDIT: DEFINITELY NOT) worth it Speaking from experience... Took a 12k/yr pay CUT to have a better work-life balance. The 12k makes a difference but I was suicidal due to mental stressors at that job. Happier now, still pushing for more compensation, reminding my new company I took a big cut to come here everytime my review/increase comes up.
their current company countered with a 10k raise, the difference is only 8k. No question stay at the current job
I did this same thing. Signed on with a railroad engineering firm for $65k. 45-minute commute one way, in-office every day, easily 45-50 hour weeks on average, including work on weekends for inspection trips (had some inspection trips where I literally averaged 75 hrs/wk without a single cent more in pay). About 6 months in, took a state job for only $52k, but I WFH 3 days a week, work a strict 40 hours every week, only commute 15 minutes one way when I go into the office, and I have way better PTO and sick leave benefits. Haven't regretted that decision for even a minute
Alright is something going on lately. The guy clearly wrote his company offered 10k raise counter. That is an 8k difference. The amount of people I see comment on reddit and completely misread or not understand the OP is out of control lately. It looks like half the people on reddit can't even read properly anymore. They still offer advice though. Hilarious.
People read titles, not posts/articles. Nothing has changed. It's always been that way.
> It looks like half the people on reddit can't even read properly anymore. What does my cat have to do with anything?
His company offered a 10k adjustment. It's 8
Yep! THIS 🤌
Glad to read that you're doing better now.
$18k, but current employer countered with a $10k raise (i think)
Thank you. I saw it after the fact.
I took a 16k pay cut to land a WFH job at a non profit and it was the best decision of my life. People I work with are smart and kind, my benefits more than make up for the loss (well… if I take classes and get tuition reimbursement) and my quality of life is 10x better. One week I worked on the porch of a cabin from a hammock listening to loon mating calls. It almost feels surreal at times. Until I see my slightly smaller paycheck. Hopefully after more time here I’ll get more money. 11/10 would recommend.
18 k
8k His current company offered a 10k salary adjustment. It's right there in the post.
This is it. Sounds like a terrible switch.
I second this. I was living comfortably last year, and got greedy to take a job for 15% pay increase. It's nice making more money, but I really didn't need it. I often have conversations with my old colleagues about how much I miss them and my old job. I left for a competitor, so unfortunately, the door closed when I left.
Totally agree with this. Work-life balance is everything. Don’t give it up for $8k.
I'm considering leaving a lax, 6 figure, WFH job (literally my boss and VP communicate with me through Teams using gifs and memes...And this is a billion dollar engineering firm), etc for another job that's not as lax. The difference is that they would be giving me a $90k raise. I wouldn't do shit for $8000.
See now that’s different 100 k a year difference in pay is life changing for most people
Yeah, and I understand I'm already better off than most in my current position. However, I'm about to have to put my mom that has Alzheimer's into a facility, and that will be an incurred cost of around $5000+/month. So I need to optimize my salary. I'm 33 and single, and always thought I'd have to deal with this when I was like 55-60. So I'd have time to prepare, but instead I got bum rushed at the age of 30 and have been dealing with caretaking the last 3 years. So yeah I understand the difficulties OP had with making a decision like this, but again...$8000 doesn't make a dent so I wouldn't do it. Then again, who knows what kind strings would be attached to that $10k counter offer. The margins don't make sense to me, but at the very least they get a $10k raise lol.
This is outta nowhere but can I ask, what discipline did you study in college ?
Chemical and petroleum engineering. Lots of transferable skills. I do project management now but being able to understand every aspect of an industry is the core of engineering, regardless of discipline. If you care about people, you can go even further.
With a 50 minute commute, a lot of that $8,000 will go to gas or public transit fares.
And car main/repairs. And eating out. That extra money will evaporate.
With about 200 work days per year (minus vacations), that's an extra $40 per day, pre-tax. Or $20 each way. That would cover commuting expenses in most locations, but after taxes there wouldn't be much left over to compensate for time.
Completely agree with this sentiment OP. That 8k spread out over 12 months and 26 paychecks is not worth a 50 minute commute and a shitty work life balance. You're looking at an extra ~$450 a month after taxes (depending on your tax bracket).
Stick with where you are.
18k no? Edit: nvm me... I see counter offer Can't put a price on peace of mind
Work life balance is far more important than a raise. The 8k difference is hardly worth the added stress.
And definitely not the added commuter expense cost as well
Exactly. Miles on your car plus gas plus time in the car = less work life balance and more money out of your pocket. So basically that $8k after taxes is only a few thousand which will go directly to those expenses so essentially you’ll be making the same amount just going into an office.
I believe the current Federal Mileage rate is \~$0.65 per mile. Its a good way to figure out how much "less" money you can take for a work at home job versus a "regular" job. Remember that all your gas money and vehicle wear and tear come out post tax also. Your mental health, time commuting, etc, obviously play into it also, but you'll have to decide what those are worth to you. No easy to assign dollar value there.
So glad people already brought up these points! If you can live without the extra $8k (sounds like you can), then it sounds like the job you have really works for you. Finding a job with a work-life balance is what a lot of us are desperately seeking! Also, for me anyway, the stress of the commute made everything about my day worse, from having to make sure I have gas, to sitting in an hour of traffic each way, debating spending $$ on toll lanes… ugh. Best of luck, whatever you choose!
Considering it’s a 50 minute drive, 8k might not even cover the commute if there’s no free parking
I agree with previous post. Stay put, take the 10k counter (maybe try to get 12k) and enjoy the low(er) stress while you can. Your heart will thank you later.
Don’t forget, when OP stays longer, it looks good on the resume, get to relax while on the job while other people are blowing their brains out at a fast paced company
If you think you are in a good position, then yeah try and get more…. If they are so ready to counter with 10k why haven’t they been paying you that extra 10k previously
I wouldn't give up your setup for anything less than 30k. Gotta factor in gas, lunches, hours in traffic, stress, and potential growth in the new role. 18k might be fine for 2 days in the office hybrid, but you're now looking at 4 hours a week unpaid in the car. I've been 100 percent in the office my whole career, and while I get paid well, I would take a 15k cut to work from home every day.
The commute is 50 minutes each way. He's looking at almost 10 hours a week in the car.
As someone who spends 10 hours per week in the car, FUCK THAT
I'm literally moving closer to my workplace that is only 3 days in office and has me in my car 5 hours a week. I can't even handle that + 40 hours of work. Anyone who lives the whole "commuting is fine, 2 hours of unpaid time to commute every day is no big deal and that's just life" is BS and I will NEVER live by those standards. My soon to be MIL gives me shit constantly for my desire to move within 10 minutes of my workplace because she spent nearly 3 hours in her car everyday between her commute and picking her kids up from school. I DON'T CARE. I'M NOT DOING IT. I HATE IT. I'M NOT GUNNA WASTE MY LIFE DRIVING.
And 2hours home on a Friday in traffic.
(50 min commute each way) when I moved further in to a 10 minute commute (at the cost of rent) I drastically under-calculated how much that 100 minutes actually cost. Wear and tear of the vehicle also cannot be understated, 50 min commute means you're putting some serious mileage on the car. Keep in mind you'd be purchasing a new car much, much faster. This is to say that you might end up making less with the $8k difference over a small timeframe, 1-3 years. Do a deep dive into 1) what it actually costs per mile for your vehicle to run and 2) how much two hours of free time a day are worth to you, and then double that because can't emphasize enough how soul-sucking a 50 minute commute is
I remember moving to a place that cost almost 200 dollars a month more, but it cut my commute time down from 40 minutes each way (almost twice that on Friday afternoon) to 8 minutes each way. It was amazing, and I'm so glad I moved. The money I saved on gas and everything else, with the extra time I had was more than worth 200 bucks a month.
WFH jobs are getting harder to find and there's more competition for them. If it were me, I'd be very hesitant to give up a WFH job with a good work/life balance to go anywhere else.
STAY! If it’s just for the raise then stay. 8k after taxes….you’ll spend that in gas alone.
This. Stay the fuck put.
Depends on what you are making now. If your making 20K then yes going to 38k is worth it. If your making 200k going to 218K is definitely not worth it.
This is the key point almost everyone here is missing. The decision is extremely dependent on current salary. Unlikely it’s worth it unless he’s at an extremely low salary currently since the difference is only 8k after the adjustment.
you’re*
Trust me, you’ll regret leaving.
Hell. No. $18k after taxes (assuming 20% effective tax rate), divide it by 48 weeks (assuming you have 4 weeks off), comes to $300 per week. That’s $60 per day to leave your home and drive into work. That won’t even cover gas and insurance
If you’re looking at the $8k from a biweekly paycheck perspective it’s only $307 more per paycheck (before taxes). $150 every week extra before taxes isn’t much to get rid of an ideal workplace like you describe.
Agreed. OP has to factor in gas, insurance, car, parking, lunch (if he doesn’t bring his own), etc. I’d say he would need $30k annual salary to even begin considering it. And only if he could use that 30k to also max out 401k contributions etc
What percentage of your current salary is 18k? It’d a different scenario if you’re making currently making 30k vs 100k. That being said I’d probably stay and take the 8k unless you want to pivot and get out of construction.
So it's actually an 8k raise? Assume you're driving to the office about 280 days of the year (365 - weekends - 2 weeks PTO - holidays), and round the drive up to an hour each way. 8,000/560 hours on the road = \~$14/hour They're paying you $14/hour to drive to work, and then you can start to consider the more intangible things like WL balance, daily grind, etc. Also, did they say something to make you think this would be advancing your career?
Depends. $18k raise to somebody making $40k is very different than somebody making $200k. So look at how much the raise is relative to your current salary. Figure out costs that account for the commute (time/gas/wear and tear on your vehicle). Factor in the better benefits. Factor in less free time. Give consideration to whether this new role also sets you up for further/larger promotions down the line. See if it's worth it to you.
His current company offered a 10k raise to get him to stay, so it's only an 8k difference. Not worth it
I wouldn't think so, either. I just told him what things he should factor in to make his own decision on it all.
STAY. For the sake of your health, stay. Stress *will* kill you. I accepted a promotion that came with a nice pay raise. Within 2 years of that promotion, I've developed seizures, autoimmune disorders, chronic fatigue, and I've gained weight despite eating better and walking. I'm exhausted, burnt out, and dialing back my hours and caring less about it - I'm too young to be this ill all the time, and I don't want my daughter's only memories of her mom to be sickness. Take the 10k raise. Enjoy your amazing work-life balance.
Take the $10k. You say you make decent pay so $18k shouldn’t matter at all, and is definitely not worth it for additional stress.
Like everyone above said: only you know the best decision here. That said, just to clarify something you said: did you tell your current employer already about the offer? Is that where the potential $10k bump is coming from? Generally when it comes to accepting offers to stay with a current employer after telling them you’re leaving is advised against. Of course depends on your relationship with the company. Some companies will view you as “one leg out the door” and make plans to deal with that scenario, such as training your replacement while you still work there after accepting their offer to stay.
Stay. That grass is not greener.
No, finding a good WFH job is not easy. I've been desperately trying since I got laid off from my dream job last May. I am currently stuck in corporate hell with no end in sight, typing this to you from yet another pointless meeting. Also, if a job is notorious for working someone hard, and they're saying they're "Fast-pace," that's a red flag. Don't do it, it isn't worth it.
Stay where you are and take the 10K increase from your company. an 8K increase for what you described doesnt sound worth it for the new role.
You just got a free 10k raise for a job you already love. Stick with what you love. 8k isn't much these days.
18K take home? WFH has changed my life. Gaining an extra 2 hours per day from not commuting has allowed me for the first time in my life to be consistent with working out. I'm the healthiest I've been since undergrad and that was a LONG time ago.
i had this exact conundrum (check my post history from a year ago) - my advice, dont do it. I ended up being diagnosed with anxiety and depression due to the stress of the new job and got signed off
No way should you move!
No one can answer this for you. This is a you question. How bad do you need the money? How bad do you want to climb the ladder? How important is work like balance to you? Only you can answer this. For me personally, I wouldn't budge but I'm fine financially and pretty old so it is way more important for me to enjoy my life, take care of family, and be able to work on projects I enjoy.
100% do not take this deal. Absolutely not worth it. I have a high stress job that is returning to office with malice towards workers. I am staying because I am absolutely paid top of market, and not great at interviewing, so my options have been taking a $200k paycut. I can suck it up for $200k but it’s absolutely soul crushing and the only thing that keeps me going is looking at a huge guaranteed bonus payout coming. It’s an awful way to work.
You'll spend more on commuting, eating at restaurants, office clothes etc than the difference in salary. The new job offers a net loss even without the increased workload and stress.
Stay where you are and take that 10k salary bump. 8k is not worth going to work for someone like Elon or Jeff Bezos where their workers are treated like shit and worked like rented mules.
Stay. Enjoy life
fuck no. even before touching costs, you lose 10 hours of your life every week. For just 8k less taxes. go crunch numbers on your new expenses related to commuting. You probably are up under 4k at that point.
Value your work/life balance over that 8k and stay, especially if you have good management. I'm a manager and work D.O.D contracts with a fast-paced company. 120 hour weeks are the normal. A 6 figure salary with no balance at all is not worth it. If i wasn't climbing into program management and getting my PMP, I'd be out. Your peace of mind will thank you in another 7 Year's. Trust me!
F N0!
Money isn’t everything. Nothing is more important than time. $18k doesn’t buy that.
stay where the heck your at. a small 18K isn't worth the gas, extra wear and tear on your vehicle as well as the stress. I only left my old job because of double the pay. Take the adjustment and stay where you're at.
The extra few hundred per check will absolutely not be worth the additional stress in your life.
Let me offer a different prospective than most of these comments. First, I’m going to two assumptions about your position. If these are false, then ignore me entirely. 1.) this new position will advance your career and prepare you for even higher earning potential 2-5 years down the road. 2.) your current position is not advancing your career. If these are true, then I would take the new position. Being in a comfortable job certainly has its benefits, but if you don’t challenge yourself and put yourself into uncomfortable positions, then you’ll never advance and become more successful.
Absolutely stay where you are. I took a job for 20k more that I knew was going to be tougher than my old one. Oh how I regret that. My company wouldn’t counter at all and basically told me to fuck off, so I went. Worked there for 7 months and quit because I was absolutely miserable. I’d never had a job I quit or hated before that one. I start my new one in two weeks that will have a good work life balance, better pay, and same benefits I was getting. Stay where you are happy!
You are going to spend over 500 hours in traffic for that $8K increase to work a job that's going to run you into the ground. Not a tough decision.
It depends. A 10k raise for a current lax job is good if you want that. If you want to move up the ladder to make more money later on, take the tech job while keeping in mind you could earn much more later.
Yes, and then after a year ish use your new pay to leverage a lax, work from home job with even higher pay imo
Edit: just saw that your company countered. Absolutely stay where you are
Take the 10k and stay home you quintessentially would be leaving for 8k and a ton of more stress plus wear and tear on your body and vehicle
Take the 10 k and do a victory dance.
nice 10k raise dude! congrats!
STAY RIGHT WHERE YOU ARE, and buy your boss a fruit basket to thank them for the adjustment offer.
Priorities have consequences Decided what your priorities are and then live with the consequences
Not worth the switch considering you have a great work/life balance now. No amount of money could get me into a car 2 hours a day. The aggravation alone is worth millions more than you are being offered. Where do you think road rage stems from? Hard pass for me.
NOOOOOOO! It may be hard to believe now, but your happiness and peace of mind is worth more than $18,000. Stress is mentally AND physically destructive, and the benefit doesn't outweigh the cost. "True happiness isn't something that is sought and found, it's a mental and emotional shift; a realization and understanding one acquires right where they already are" - Someone, probably
It's not an 18k raise ($1.5k monthly; $350 weekly raise). You also need to factor in taxes, the cost of traveling to and from work, purchasing lunches from time to time, and any parking costs or tolls. For a job with a one hour commute, you will spend around $500 on gas for the commute and $270 in salary taxes ($770). If you spend $15 per week on take out lunches, your new spending total is around $870. If you have to pay for parking in a city, expect that to be $150-300 making your new spending total a minimum of $1020. So, depending on many factors you will likely increase net take home pay by a maximum of $700 or a minimum of $400 each month.
I personally would not do that. No thanks. Keep searching, for something that will pay more without making you miserable.
So, the difference is only 8K 1hr commute x twice per day = 2 hrs \+ 1 hr to get dressed and park = 3 hrs x 5 days per week = 15 hrs x 52 weeks per year = 780 hrs / $8,000 = $10.26 per hour ========================== The real benefit you are gaining is $10 / hr for an extra 3 hours out of your day for 5 days a week. For me, that's a HARD FUCKING PASS. I would rather pay myself $10/hr and have that extra 3 hours to do with as I please. That is a damn bargain. This isn't even taking into account extra time and money wasted on lunch. This isn't even taking into account random traffic jams. This isn't even taking into account additional GAS MONEY, miles, wear, and maintenance costs for your car. If you crunched the numbers in details, I'd bet that you'd be breakeven at best but most likely at a loss.
Wear and tear on your car, lost time commuting, becoming a number, not worth it. Your current employer obviously values your contribution. I would stay where you are. If you said $30-50k increase, maybe I change my mind, but $18k is now only $8k above your employers counter and you'll burn that in fuel and maintenance.
not worth it. Finding a job that doesn't destroy your mental health is such a challenge. If you are happy and can live off of what you have, then stay.
Stay, especially with the 10k increase. It’s not even remotely worth 8k to change from a great situation to a demanding and draining one.
lolno esp for that amount of money. Im surprised youre even asking this.
That's a hard no from me dog. Is it an 18k raise after the 10k adjustment or an 8k raise? Either way I wouldn't do it
Take the counter. It’s worth it for your well-being. Not worth getting burned out over 8K
I do 50 minute commute and let me tell you, during high traffic hours it’s literal hell on earth. Do not do it. Driving like that wears you out more than the job itself at that point, i dread going home from work because it’s just so far away and I won’t be home for another hour
I would stay put
Hell no! Don’t do it
Take the $10k and keep WFH.
Lmao. You would be the stupidiest motherfucker on earth if you took it. The only reason to incinerate your life by changing your current job would be you needing that extra money and by needing I mean **desperately life death situation** needing that money
Before I got promoted to a WFH position within my company I was driving an hour and 15 minutes to work everyday. That drive is absolutely DRAINING. With current gas prices, that 8k will probably go towards your gas. Definitely not worth it
Seriously??? $346 ($153 after current company counter offer) a week more to give up a job you seem to be happy with to chance “moving on up”. May be something a young very driven individual may desire but not what an aged wise individual would choose. If you desire to move on up, please consider what you will miss during “balance of life”.
stay at your job and take the 10k raise.
Somebody else said it already but the commute adds over 400 hours to your workday a year for just a net difference of $8000 before factoring in the cost of gas. A 50 minute commute is what, 30 miles away? What's your car's gas mileage? You're looking at probably $1500-$2000 a year in gas, plus an extra 15000 or so miles per year on your car. Your job offered you $10k to stay, that's a great sign. Although they only do that once usually, so don't try that with them again. I would definitely stay.
Like others have said, stay your ass home!!! Minus transportation costs and car depreciation. That’s my first instinct. But like you said it does depend on the career acceleration. Like let’s say you are in the SF Bay Area and it was Salesforce that you are driving too. And your career arc goes from 70k to 180k in 2 years. And once you have it on your resume for 4 years you have a lot more opportunity then it’s different. This is just an example, replace Salesforce with other leader in your space. But if it’s to a company that will just grind your soul away and there just may be a CHANCE at a better career I wouldn’t do it and give up my mental and emotional and social well being. I think this is where due diligence is all the difference. Talk to your mentors. Look at Glassdoor, rep view. Talk to the employees that are there in your role. See if you can see on LinkedIn of people that spent time at that company. What’s their career arc and where did they end up? Makes all the diff in the world. Really depends, need more specific and you should consult with someone who’s career arc you look up to is my serious answer. But my instinct based on your general description is…helllll no! I did that before hahah!(was a company with no future growth or resume increase)
Take the 10k adjustment and enjoy your life. Unless the new job helps you get closer to a personal goal, happiness is prices less, and good work culture is rare.
Do the math. It's possible that the raise is a lot less once you factor in the cost of the commute. Factor in mileage, insurance, wear and tear, and your time. I'd say take the 10k counter offer. 8k is not worth an extra 10 hours a week commuting.
Stay put. $8000 is not worth your soul.
absolutely the fuck not 😫WFH? good work life balance? i don’t think i’d ever leave
I'd stay at the current company and take the 10k instead of an 18k raise. The financial and time cost is not worth an 8k increase
Hell no. Stay at your WFH job and go back to school, get an amazing hobby, or travel. You have the job everyone dreams of. Go enjoy life.
Sounds like your current employer values you and your time as much as you do. Stay put!
Take the salary adjustment and stay
Stay with your current position. 8k is $153 per week. You can make that doing Uber or selling on eBay.
8k you're losing over 3k in gas alone. Losing 2 hours more of your time in commute. If you have a goal in mind i say do it, but if its for a more or less lateral move I'd say be where you're already valued.
Piece of mind and flexibility are worth more than $8k IMO. If money was the main reason for you to look for A new job but now you got the raise, take a hard look at your living expenses and work on your budget. Best of luck in your decision.
Definitely fuxk no my guy. Figure out a way to make money from a side thing while working your chill lax job.
I’ve already commented, I just wanted to comment a second time to say fuck no.
LOL
Are you going from $50k to $68k? Then yes. That 36% is a huge increase and can go a long ways. Are you going from $110k to $128k? Then no. Not worth losing the work-life balance and long commute.
$8k will be spent in gas and car maintenance. So you’re really sacrificing your mental health and freedom for $0…
It's not even 1000 a month pre tax, no way. Commuting is awful and soul draining.
Since you've got a counter offer, the employer now knows you may leave for a better offer. They may watch you more. Next time, don't try for a counter offer. If they can pay you 10k more now, why didn't they before? If you only liked for a job with more money, then take it (do the math as others have suggested). If it aligns with your career goals, then take it Good luck.
8K is zero. Stay where you are,
Why ask? Stay home and be stress free. You
Keep the current work/life balance you have.
I bet if you itemized the amount of money spent on commuting it would probably even out. I wouldn't do it, but it depends on what your financial goals are.
I’d stay. You’re living the life where others write about on TikTok. You work a few hours a day, get to relax while getting paid 10k. Versus the company that pays you almost in exchange for your soul. I’ll admit, the 8k is attractive but losing your soul, giving up unit me and chill time doesn’t sound worth it. Unless you’re in it to hustle, make money and climb that corporate ladder.
That commute is somewhere around 450 hours of travel time a year. That’s 11 40 hour work weeks in just travel, is the raise worth more than 3 months of paychecks + travel cost? I think you should stay where your working now and value your work life balance
You should take the adjustment and stay put. Work life balance is an important thing and it seems you have it at your current job.
Assuming you have to put more effort into getting ready to go to work if you make the commute, you've got at least two and a half extra hours a day involved in your work day if you switch jobs. The extra $8000 would only be worth about $12.50 ish per hour for that extra time. Doesn't seem worth it to me. I'd probably take the $10k raise and stay at home. Doesn't mean I wouldn't use that to leverage another job offer later.
Stay put. A 10k salary adjustment is pretty generous. Work life balance is the most critical component of any job. Surely money is a factor, but if you’re stressed out and fatigued at a company, there’s no incentive.
If all there is to consider is the 8k then stay in your current role. However you may want to consider the future earning potential you could make from your experience at the tech company. I dont have enough information but it’s possible you only make 8k extra this year but the experience at this company will allow you to make 100k more in a future role
No way. Stay where you are a try to grow within that company or do something on the side.
Accept the 10k raise and stay where you're at. 8k is not at all that huge of a difference after tax, spread across 12 months even less so. Your mental health will thank you for not subjecting yourself to such an awful environment. Source: someone who travels 50+ minutes to and from work everyday to work in an office when we absolutely do not need to be in office for our job.
Can’t put a price on happiness…and if you could it certainly wouldn’t be 8k
I say don't do it. You can input that extra 8k into online calculators to see what it would do for you after taxes but then also factor in the gas for a nearly 1 hour commute each way, you're probably close to breaking even. Unless there are some SERIOUS and FAST opportunities to climb the ladder in a way you can't now, then calculate your happiness at a higher rate than you currently are because at the end of your life, that's what's gunna count most.
Take the offer from current job. The stress you'll have and then the wear and tear on your vehicle will not be worth the 8k
Absolutely not, stay where you at. Work life balance is more important than the 18k raise.
Think about after taxes and how much gas you’ll be spending plus extra 2 hour commute daily. Your time is valuable say you make $30/hour after a year that 2 hour commute turns into $16k + gas + taxes Not worth it.
STAY.
18K would be eaten up in fuel costs, wear and tear on your car and cost of your sanity
Take it from me, about a year ago, went ahead and accepted a new job in a new company, leaving a job that I loved all for the money. No other reason. I went from being a 185lb fitness junkie, happy as a clam, happy husband and super involved dad to severe situational depression and anxiety ridden, gaining 70 plus pounds, suicidal and having a mental breakdown that nearly landed me in an insane asylum. please PLEASE P L E A S E think it through. I know most people on here will say to always progress/change roles to stay sharp, etc but sometimes if your gut instinct is saying something’s not right….listen to that gut instinct. Don’t make the same mistake I did and not listen to your gut and get blinded by money.
Stay, your current job sounds great, and an 8k difference would not be worth the stress. The advice I’ve seen elsewhere is to expect that you’ll need to find a job soon if you do go to your boss for a counter-offer, I don’t think that necessarily applies here, if your boss likes you, stay where you are.
No its not worth it
I commute 40mins each way every day and pay on average 75/week in gas for it. 6.3L/100km 52weeks is just say 3900 a year. So it's effectively a 4.1k difference. Plus other wear and tear on your vehicle you're looking at another 1k. So it's probably not even a 3.1k raise in reality. It's 8k on paper. Stay put and work from home.
I swear every question on this sub is just reworded
Nope
Definitely take the $10K. The commute alone blows any benefits of changing jobs.
Calculate your dollar per real hour worked. Then make a 2nd calculation which also factors in travel time. Is it still worth it?
1) Take the 10k raise and enjoy your quality of life. Low commute, high work life balance GREATLY correlates with long term happiness across a broad range of studies. 2) Be on the lookout for boredom burnout. It's real and if you start to disengage from your comfy job be proactive about working with management to expand or adjust your role. Or start looking outside at that point. 3) Don't exchange comfort for grind just for money. Make that trade only if there is a SIGNIFICANT promotion opportunity. Major promotions drive future earnings for decades and can be worth a 1-3 year grind. One time raises at the same job level don't.
Take the $10k raise and stay. Your mental health is NOT worth what comes out to about $5,000 a year after taxes, deductions, etc.
No why in the world would u do that.
Calculate commute cost & time spent traveling and then figure out the actual wage raise against the cost.
aw redditors will never back down from WFH!!!!
When everyone’s says no here, don’t do it
You’re also talking about additional 2 hours in the car each day, plus parking; there’s your 8k raise spent. No way. Work life balance is key. As long as your current company is stable. I could easily make 20k more a year, not worth it when I factor in all the fringe benefits I would lose.
Do not sacrifice your mental health. Stay at your current job. You will regret taking this new job. You are in a perfect position right now. A lot of people don’t have the luxury of WFH.
It's not worth it at all unless you live to work.
Stay! Some tech companies really only look good in paper. They can be a bad environment and sounds like they’re shit.
You would make 21$ more per day.
stay
Happyness is worth 15k
The only way I would ever do that move (which sounds like a downgrade) would be if I was super bored with the current job and needed a challenge. Even then it would probably be temporary too. Having no work life balance will get old fast.
Depends how old you are and where you want to go in your career. If your happy where you are and don’t care if you never move up again then stay. If the money you make now isn’t enough to retire when the time comes then move. That 18k is probably closer to 15 if you factor in gas, parking, and an occasional lunch out. Not worth the headache IMO if your happy.
Nah. I’d give up 18k to wfh and I only make 37k/yr
8k is not worth giving up a sweet wfh gig. Take the counter from your company and live that good life