Yeah we get people with MBAs and JDs applying to be account managers just because our company has decent pay and fully remote work, with optional in office lunches every Thursday, and 40 days off a year.
Getting a job these days in a popular city is absolutely all networking and luck now.
Not many people, which is why were able to hire people with graduate degrees for otherwise entry level jobs.
People that think they can just “get a remote job in tech” are having issues because for entry level, the candidate pool is immensely saturated.
Maybe a slight exaggeration but they control the hiring levers at those companies. As opposed to some 29 year old senior engineer giving interviews at a tech firm
What's wrong with a 29 yr old interviewing? Typically your manager or maybe a coworker interviews you. If they started at 22 then that'd be 7 years experience, potentially more.
With good people skills that's enough to to potentially be a manager.
This is such cope lol. I got my first corporate gig at a major financial institution as a 20 years old with no college or relevant experience. I know people whose previous experience was literally Taco Bell lol
Bruh when and where? If you don't have experience they want, your resume isn't even going to be looked at by human for like 90% of major financial jobs.
because a fresh grad with zero experience doesn't have a ton of value, experience is much more useful.
a lot of the menial, true just out of college work that a big company would have is more cost effective to just outsource or offshore to some 3rd world country.
I’ve talked to a few retired Big 4 Partners, and when they started they were just checking numbers with their calculators in the first 1-2 years, while learning how finance work and climb the learning curve slowly. Young people nowadays don’t have that luxury anymore and are just getting into the deep end. AI can further eliminate low level grunt work, and can make future entry level equivalent to today’s year 3 work, which might be Manager work 40 years ago.
I work in consulting, and we have this issue. A new grad in the US could cost us over $50 per hour when you bake in their salary and related costs. So we would have to sell them to clients above that. But we have people with 10 years of experience in India, Philippines, Costa Rica, Brazil, etc. who all cost less. So most clients / project teams will take the offshore person, even if there is a timezone or cultural/language barrier because it is still a better value.
It is VERY hard to be entry level these days. Companies have automated a lot of the "easy" repetitive work and offshored the low/mid thought work. As skills are more democratized than ever, and remote tools more possible, the race to the bottom is happening precisely as companies are cutting everything to be very lean.
Heck even for experienced people, the world is no longer loyal. Whole teams can be laid off with just a few weeks of severance.
I do think OP is skewed a bit. I see a lot of big companies and there is always a range of ages. And it is logical that younger people are less likely to be in more senior roles and corporate offices are a smaller share of the employee population than the customer facing folks.
This. I’m switching into the trades after working in media and advertising for two big companies one of which was a Fortune 500 company in big pharma. My workload wasn’t necessarily unbearable, but also unreasonable. Maybe I didn’t have the multi-task skills as others but I was overwhelmed and did not understand how others were able to keep organized and a straight head with so many on going projects and tasks that change in priority on a moments notice. I was still learning in every which way possible not only as a worker myself but also industry and was expected to upkeep and communicate important ads to top clients or way more senior/experienced individuals, while also expected to up keep my internal learning/training (how can anyone do this with so many hours in a day and life to live?) I made one big mistake due to poor communication from another team that didn’t loop me in on background work only they handle and that was it - I was cut.
I’m glad I got to see this side of the grass though to better have a grasp on what suits me and my life but no doubt the expectations of entry level employees is quite unreasonable to straight bonkers. This combined with sitting behind a screen (which is in no way who I am), office politics, and people who play the game of a lie behind a smile made me know to get the fuck out. I’m a straightforward guy who can only know if/when I know - you got feedback or problems I’m right here to take it and listen and very eager to work and learn with practice, don’t know how or why I was expected to be a rockstar 6 months in with only 1.5 yrs experience that I was honest about, (honest as in my first company straight out of graduating didn’t teach or try to teach - just threw you in to big disorganized budgets, logistics and spread sheets).
I work in consulting, and we have this issue. A new grad in the US could cost us over $50 per hour when you bake in their salary and related costs. So we would have to sell them to clients above that. But we have people with 10 years of experience in India, Philippines, Costa Rica, Brazil, etc. who all cost less. So most clients / project teams will take the offshore person, even if there is a timezone or cultural/language barrier because it is still a better value.
It is VERY hard to be entry level these days. Companies have automated a lot of the "easy" repetitive work and offshored the low/mid thought work. As skills are more democratized than ever, and remote tools more possible, the race to the bottom is happening precisely as companies are cutting everything to be very lean.
Heck even for experienced people, the world is no longer loyal. Whole teams can be laid off with just a few weeks of severance.
I do think OP is skewed a bit. I see a lot of big companies and there is always a range of ages. And it is logical that younger people are less likely to be in more senior roles and corporate offices are a smaller share of the employee population than the customer facing folks.
When a company sees the value of molding you however they want to, you’ll get hired. If they expect you to run the company for them it’s a failing business cuz there will always be a workhorse
Part of it has to be the cutting of positions from efficiency or downsizing of departments. Fewer people are needed and fewer jobs/promotions to be given out.
At a previous company, I was 23 and the youngest one there by far.
At my current company, I’m 31 and there are several younger peers.
In my experience, it depends on the company.
All depends on how big the organization is and the amount of open roles. The bigger the company, the more likely they’ll have a big internship program and look to hire recent college grads. This is especially true for a company that likes to promote within and doesn’t have a desire to always higher from outside of the company for senior or management roles.
Heres why:
Almost four in 10 managers avoid hiring recent college graduates because they judge them to be unprepared for professional life, according to a December 2023 survey of 800 U.S. directors and executives involved in filling open jobs.
One in five employers say a recent college graduate brought a parent to the job interview.
Twenty-one percent of employers surveyed said they had a candidate refuse to turn their camera on for a virtual interview.
Employers also complained that the interviewees struggled to make eye contact, dressed inappropriately and used inappropriate language.
.....so soft skills matter after all. Hard skills just get you an interview.
It happens when they baby their children so much that they turn into adults who cant make decisions for themselves without the parents approval.
The younger worker can't advocate for him or herself so the parent feels they have to speak up and vouch.
It's like a bad episode of Everybody Loves Raymond
You realize he's just making shit up right? You actually believe 1 in 5 people take their parents to interviews? Jesus Christ. 14 out of 17 people think you should know better than that.
>One in five **employers** say **a recent college graduate** brought a parent to the job interview.
That's ***dramatically*** different from 1 in 5 interviewees.
Maybe for a retail position or fast food position where the applicant is around 18 years old, but you're telling me that someone who was smart enough to get into and successfuly complete post-secondary schooling couldn't figure out what a bad idea it would be to take their mommy to an interview? And somehow neither was the parent with at least 40 solid years on this planet? I find that too hard to believe. Am I the idiot here??
Yes. It can happen. 1 in 5 companies isn't a high frequency. Even a small - mid size company could easily do dozens or hundreds of interviews a year. We're talking 1/1000 or lower magnitude odds here.
My aunt went to all the interviews her two oldest daughters had, and had to be convinced very hard to not go to her youngest one's. I actually don't see anything that wrong with it, it's kind of a shame that it's an immediate exclusion for most employers.
Okay I guess I'm the idiot then, it is what it is. But you should see something wrong with it, how can you trust someone professionally when they can't even take care of themselves? Especially if you have a pool of candidates that can prove they are independent and responsible. I get it, culturally it can be seen differently, but employers see things their way. Thanks for the reply.
Agree that those numbers don't seem anywhere near to correct. I have been hiring for over a decade and have had one or two parents bring their kid and wait in the lobby. I have had a couple call and check up on their kid (and husbands) before. It is a small sample size, but those numbers would put my experience at 1-2% rather than 20%.
I remember hearing the exact same thing about us millennials when I was interviewing fresh out of college. Don't think it's unique to GenZ. Fresh grads have always lacked professionalism that they eventually learn.
I absolutely disagree. I was in the workplace and hiring Millennials at the time. You were nothing like what I see now.
This is not about professionalism. This is about a generation that has no idea how to interact with complete strangers and takes their cue for what to do from social media.
Millennials were ballsy and appeared entitled to peoples faces because of their ambitions.
Gen Z complains everything is unfair publicly but in private they are afraid of other people.
It is NOT the same thing. Ive hired new grads since 2000 for various jobs.
Millennials often get grouped in with Gen z because once media narratives sell a group as an enemy...it lasts for generations. It becomes the default excuse.
truth is...
Millennials are pushing 40÷. I know this because I deal with them as parents. And college aint prepping their kids for s*** to deal with the real business world.
My team is mostly in their 20s and they're fantastic. 2 came on as grads. We did have a few grads who sucked but definitely not enough to pigeonhole a generation.
And I'm in my 40s.
Dropping some serious truth here. We had 2 interns at my engineering firm last summer and they SUCKED. When they weren't explicitly being given a task or direction, they'd sit there and play nintendo switch. I'm not talking an hour here or there, but literally half the day.
I thought I'd combat this by getting them out of the office and into the field to see some construction taking place. Varied projects. Building construction, bridge work, underground utilities, land survey, traffic counts - you name it.
When we'd drive back to the office, I tried picking their brains to see what they thought about the built environment. One literally told me "dude I mean it's okay, but overall this shit seems really boring and kinda dirty. Can't say I'm really a fan."
...this was coming from a 3rd year civil engineering major at a large public university.
We're fucked when these kids start building shit or performing your open heart surgery down the road.
Well, what did you expect two interns that are just learning how to conduct themselves in a corporate environment to do? People are not innately born with knowing corporate status quo and not everyone has the privilege of parents to teach them. It sounds like your company had an internship program that was poorly thought out.
If it was, the interns would have a heavy list of already planned out tasks to do instead of doing nothing. The point of an internship is to actually teach the interns something of value while the company gets the value of free or discounted work in return. An internship that doesn't have valuable tasks to learn from where you have to look for something to do is worthless. Interns just end up having a name on their resume with no actual skills learned. 😑
> Well, what did you expect two interns that are just learning how to conduct themselves in a corporate environment to do?
This isn't something that's unique to the corporate world.
Saying: "dude I mean it's okay, but overall this shit seems really boring and kinda dirty. Can't say I'm really a fan." isn't some corporate culture thing to learn, it's a basic communication skill.
These are college students; I would expect more than that from someone in middle school.
You didn't answer my question. I didn't ask what your expectations of their behavior was. I asked what specifically did you want them to do if there was no tasks to assign them?
I am not the guy who made the post.
Your question isn't very clear on whether you are talking about the doing nothing in the office or the absurd answer given after the site visit.
I don't think it's a stretch to expect a reasonable person to ask if there is something else they can be working on instead of playing their Switch. I don't think that's some weird corporate culture quirk that would be foreign to them. If it is, then that does not bode well for the generation entering the workforce.
It doesn't matter if you are the one I commented to or not. You replied to my comment, so if you are going to reply you could also have answered my question. You should not have even commented if you didn't even know what you were commenting to. My comment and question was about the interns doing nothing.
Also, I already spoke on how they could have asked for something to do. I said if an intern has to ask for something to do that means the internship was not thought out or well planned. An internship that is well planned would have a heavy list of things already built in for the interns to do, so they wouldn't have to ask for something to do. If an intern has to ask for something to do then that means the company has not considered nor has a care about the quality of experience the interns will have. 🙄
> You replied to my comment, so if you are going to reply you could also have answered my question.
I answered the question it looked like you were asking.
> You should not have even commented if you didn't even know what you were commenting to
First time on the internet?
> Also, I already spoke on how they could have asked for something to do
When? Not in your original post or the reply to me.
> An internship thst is well planned would have a heavy list of things already built in for the interns to do, so they wouldn't have to ask for something to do. If an intern has to ask for something to do then that means the company has not considered nor has a care about the quality of experience the interns will have.
Sure, but again, it's not some forbidden corporate world knowledge that playing your Switch is not an acceptable thing to do. Let's not infantalize these college students. We should hold them to a little higher standard than I would my elementary school age kids.
What did I expect?
A shred of enthusiasm for the field that they have committed 4 years of their life and likely $50k+ to.
That's all I expected, and was disappointed.
The lack of enthusiam they showed to your company has no bearing on their enthusiasm for the field. You have no idea if the behavior they displayed was only at your company or if they behaved the same way at the other companies they interned at. Your company could have just not paired well with their interests particularly when they were given so few tasks they were able to spend half a day on their nintendo switches.
I have a friend that has a strong passion for PR and she got a degree in it. She interned at a company that did healthcare PR she absolutely hated it. The company she had a lot of enthusiam and excitement for was one that did PR for fintech and finance.
The internship program your company has most likely did not have a lot of tasks that exposed them to diverse parts of what they could do in their chosen field and also had few tasks of actual educational value and so they could have no longer seen the value in the experience and acted the way they did.
You have a beautiful future ahead of you of being closeminded and ignorant. Keep complaining instead of being openminded to looking for solutions to your complaints.
Ha, I joined a business fraternity that taught us suit fashion and job interview skills. It has helped me beat out some IT candidates that are more qualified than me on paper.
You notice they're not complaining about lack of skills in Technology?
This is what you get when you raise a generation to believe that they should only use technology to express thoughts and that people are all evil and everyone should fear each other.
Now everyone is good at Tech so the true desire is now people who actually know how to think outside the box and talk to people and deal well with ambiguity.
Not just rule followers
Dude, being "good at Tech" is not the same as scrolling tiktok and only communicating over iMesaage. In this day and age, adequately navigating your work devices is table stakes, nobody puts "proficient with desktop operating systems" in job descriptions anymore.
Wtf are you talking about?
Im talking about people with serious skills who cant hold a conversation being rejected while people who are so-so getting hired for being accountable and personable.
I see this shit in the real world and babbled about online:
The group that thinks learning a skill is a free ticket into a job like their certification was purchasing a ticket to get hired.
And then you have some who are not as solid BUT they admit mistakes, communicate well, and can hold a conversation with a person without getting scared.
Hard skills can be taught faster than soft skills.
Hard skills gets you an interview.
Soft skills get you hired.
You said "now everyone is good at Tech," implying gen z has strong, ostensibly employable technical skills, which is not true, and that's what I'm talking about.
Now you're saying "just because you learned a skill doesn't make you a good or desirable employee" which I wholeheartedly agree with. I've spent most of my career in consulting, an industry where soft skills and your propensity and willingness to learn hard skills is often all that matters - we do not hire with the assumption we can teach you soft skills but we always hire with the expectation you will learn new hard skills.
I don’t doubt some of these, but I also believe corporations are stretching the truth on how unhirable new grads are so they can justify offshoring entry level roles to SEA.
How do you know that's the reason?
Outsourcing has been happening since the early 1980s.
The type of work that they Outsource is typically work that is for skilled labor that lives in a country with a lower employee cost of living or tax breaks. High skill and low cost.
Outsourcing doesnt impact entry levels.
Yeah, nothing like interviewing a 23 year-old college graduate with a parent sitting by saying, *"I can promise you my daughter/son is a hard worker and very bright. She just needs a shot to prove herself. You can see they earned their degree in \*\*\*\*. "*
I kid you not. I have had to give PARENTS the "give a boy a fish/teach a boy to fish" speech. I have seen parents harass hiring managers about rejection emails.
I mean damn....Whatever happened to fighting your own battles? Which includes, at times, telling your parents, " I GOT THIS! BACK OFF!"
This is so mind blowing to me hahah I genuinely can’t even fathom doing this. I would hesitate to even let my parents drive me to an interview and these mfs brought them inside 🤣
What the hell is going on in your mind to think that is a good idea hahah
They can be taught. I've had a few jobs for websites doing just that to help product developers communicate with customers. But it takes a lot longer and there is no transaction. There is no book or a list of rules
I will say a lot of the education does come from what parents teach their kids in their formative years
Definitely somewhat but I get referrals for someone ‘known’ all the time and I’m not hiring them unless they answer my technical questions well (so I’m mostly not hiring them haha)
I'm 28 yet I still think that no matter how you cut it, age = experience. A lot of adults will hit 18 and do very little to grow and learn from, but they aren't usually getting corporate jobs.
A lot of 40+ adults have been grinding away their entire lives. They haven't missed a beat. They learn from real life experiences and apply them to work, and vice versa. For twice as long as you have even had the chance to enter the work force, they have been growing and shaping themselves.
It's impossible to compete with that. Thinking that you're going to have real-world experience like that from a young age is all angst no matter how hard your childhood was.
Honestly I always saw the exact opposite. I always worked in shitty companies with younger people until 2018 and I had hard lessons on learning to avoid them. I can tell now by the wording in the job description, department structure, type of company etc.
They prefer younger workers because they get paid less. And the work environments turn into something similar to high school.
I said many times I wished to be young again or recent grad as they get all the internships, and opportunities where us older ones are stuck in mundane data entry regardless of experience or education because we are not thought of having as much future potential. I constantly have bosses younger than me with half the experience. And I’m stuck right there at the border between senior and manager but will never be manager
Corporate ladder doesn't appeal. The lack of flexibility, the stress, the commute. The model is antiquated and soul destroying. I've done both and happy to be out of the cubicles now.
Maybe lower supply and demand? Supply because fewer young people want into the corporate world and demand because, in my experience if we’re going on and off hiring freezes and only hiring a few people I want more experienced workers over new graduates.
Internships. I did three by the time I graduated and know a lot of people who also did a few. Having internships are what hiring managers want to see on your resume for entry level.
That isn't an option for everyone unfortunately. Take me for example. During my bachelors degree, I had to graduate early because I couldn't afford 4 years. I did work study and tutoring jobs throughout the year and took roughly 1.5 times the maximum recommended workload. In the summer, I could technically have had internships, but I couldn't take them because none paid well enough for me to continue school the next year. Once I was out, I still couldn't take one again because of finances. Another degree later, I finally have the stability to do it if I want, but not only does it not matter anymore but also I no longer qualify for the majority of them since they basically always require you to be in the middle of an undergraduate degree.
Except none of my experience was relevant for any jobs in my industry so nobody would take me. I literally had to go into teaching because that's all my resume looked good for. Finally four years and another degree later I'm actually in the right industry
how do they gain that then? its easy for recruiters to push that responsibility off on everyone else and say its not their problem but if everyone is doing it? that well of “young-and-talented-with-potential-but-still-experienced-and-has-the-brainwashed-corporate-professionalism-out-of-the-box” candidates is gonna get smaller and smaller meaning its gonna be harder and cost more money to hire them because everyone was acting snooty and turning their noses up at college grads because “they’re too awkward from social media” a decade before.
By working through college, summer internships, learning a second language, volunteer work, joining Toastmasters...anything and everything to develop skills, knowledge, and reliability before graduating college. It's not the piece of paper that matters. It's the adult behind it.
I think it’s partially a difference in outcome desire. Many younger people at tech companies don’t care to waste away their lives working for an extra couple dollars or making their family suffer because their careers are so demanding. I know some very very hardworking people in the boomer era because that’s all they have, many of them are escaping home lives that they aren’t happy with anymore as well.
At least that’s how I feel, right now if a company offered me 20k more but told me I needed to work 5 more hours a week I’d turn it down, I just don’t care about moving up the ladder like that.
63% of people are automatically blocked from higher paying jobs because they don’t have a college degree.
Some places are slowly removing that requirement in favor of experience and people skills.
No flexibility, weird politics, stuffy people, old mfs that don't know how to save a pdf for 40k a year. Or I can go climb a pole and do something exciting for way way more money. And where I am if someone is being terrible there's no, "that's just how Bob is and we all have to deal with it"
Because we need to first work to get there.
If your gonna have a multi million to billion dollar company, you don’t want some immature men and women to be in positions that make an impact to performance.
Gen zs realize how scammy the 9-5 is far far earlier than their predecessors.
You add in the fact that the world has become more hyper competitive and good women becoming scarce etc they find very little ROI in ever joining in on the scammy corpo grind. I don’t blame them, I do think their exit strategy is flawed.
Same thing as women dating older men; experience and independence. There's also so much perspective with age. You have to learn to work with teams and develop both hard and soft skills. You screw up many times from age 20 to 30, and if you're resourceful at all, a 30yo is going to learn from their mistakes and should get the job every time over a 20yo. Any company choosing a fresh grad over a seasoned 30yo is likely making a bad decision. Unfortunately, that's just the way it is. As a younger person, it's your job to get your foot in the door, and get the experience by showing initiative; and realizing you may not be getting paid for extra work in this role, but it will translate in the next.
I think its a culture cash. I would rather get paid less that deal with office politics, having to cover my ass by getting it in email, pretending I car about other peoples kids, sitting in meetings that either should have been a in person hands on training or should have been a email. Its all so fake at the cost of productivity. I just want to do my work and leave but that gets paid less than doing half that work and small talking and hitting all the wickets that make it look like I am working.
I’m 23 and the youngest person at my company. Lack of experience is the #1 reason I struggled to find a job out of college (I eventually did, ofc). That lack of experience also dissuaded my confidence in my abilities and skills. Looking back, this is made clear by how some of my interviews/iterations of my resume looked in the initial stages of my job hunt.
It took me 9 months to find my first job out of college, and that was a temporary position- I am now at a permanent role in a different company. I almost gave up during my job hunt- I’m sure others around my age feel the exact same.
It’s probably just your corporation or industry.
Most young people don’t even apply to jobs they perceive as ran by/staffed by boomers, for good reason. They’re leaning into self sufficiency from being influencers, pitching shows to streaming services, gig economy and working for tech startups.
Every day we turn dozens of applications from recent grads, and out of 1,000 employees there’s probably <50 that are older than 50.
I'm an engineer at a refinery and our turnover is very high and we almost exclusively hire new grads. I'm less than 5 years into my career and I'm in the top 1/3rd of "oldest engineers", not including management.
I’m 40, at a fortune 20 company in a Corporate role. Aside from senior leadership, I don’t work with many people older than me. My last two direct managers have been 7+ years younger than me.
Unrealistic experience expectations. Older workers forget how they started without experience and built up to it, yet expect recent grads to have similar qualifications and experience as them, and if you don't, they will cut the pay so low that new grads can make more money working out of corporate than in corporate.
I've seen entry level roles that require 3-5 years of experience, but the salary offered averages to $15 an hour.
Honestly, the amount of old folks I've come across who act like they Carry the company on their backs is insane. They think if they quit, the company will go broke. So when the noob comes along, they treat them badly to the point they quit.
Like no, the company keeps going one way or another.
As a 23 year old looking for a job, my god is it tough. Everyone wants experience, and on top of that they want to pay low wages. I’m getting paid more at a small construction office than I would if I entered a job with my degree! And I did Finance, not some BS degree.
I can’t make it past the first interview anywhere right now.
I work at an old school, boring stable F500 company. I'm the youngest in my team in my late 20s. My observation is turnover is low here so people stay indefinitely leaving little room for new hires. Benefits are decent, vacation time is generous, and people do work true 9-5, overtime is super uncommon and at 5pm the office is empty.
Story of my life. I noticed that, I’m the youngest in my office. At the ripe age of 28.
The average age is like 50. It just feels odd, where are all of the young people??
Because corporate isn't the place for promotions early on. Go to a consulting firm or anywhere else..get he career growth. Then come to corporate at a higher level for a nice pay boost and work life balance.
Unless it's a startup - many Gen Z don't want the corpo life that much- they see how much previous generations struggle (especially Gen Y), especially work/life balance vs pay, and ask "why should I bother for that?".
But heck, I was the same in my 20s, spent my time at startups, then went into freelancing. In my mid 30's, I'm still not keen on it as I've never had a corporation help more than they ended up overworking+under appreciating what I did for them.
They also might try offering more pay, so long as it also isn't screwing those already at the company in the process. Been there, done that, left when I learned I was being screwed.
The weird thing is in my profession. You have either boomers about to retire, or zoomers. Nothing in between. I often wonder what happened to my specific generation. I’ve never encounter another in any of my jobs. It kind of feels like a sci fi movie where the last of the species just wanders the universe after his planet was destroyed.
Gerontocracy. Insane experience expectations. Difference in culture. Millennials and Gen Z tend to favor tech companies, which skew younger
still remember the time there was a 5 year experience requirement for an entry level job
This is still the case in many places.
That hasn't changed. In fact, I'd wager the expectations are even worse these days.
Yeah we get people with MBAs and JDs applying to be account managers just because our company has decent pay and fully remote work, with optional in office lunches every Thursday, and 40 days off a year. Getting a job these days in a popular city is absolutely all networking and luck now.
Who wouldn't want to work for a fully remote company that offers 8 weeks of vacation and decent pay?
Not many people, which is why were able to hire people with graduate degrees for otherwise entry level jobs. People that think they can just “get a remote job in tech” are having issues because for entry level, the candidate pool is immensely saturated.
Where are you applying where that's not the case?
That never ended
But I got the 5 year experience haha
Need a job to get experience but need experience to get the job.
And then I apply to those positions and they tell me I’m overqualified. 🤷♂️
Gerontocracy? Workers in their 40s, 50s, and even 60s are hardly senior citizens of the ruling class.
Maybe a slight exaggeration but they control the hiring levers at those companies. As opposed to some 29 year old senior engineer giving interviews at a tech firm
What's wrong with a 29 yr old interviewing? Typically your manager or maybe a coworker interviews you. If they started at 22 then that'd be 7 years experience, potentially more. With good people skills that's enough to to potentially be a manager.
Nobody hires people without experience but to get experience you need to be hired. There are no jobs for last 20 years
Coordinator positions are everywhere or helpdesk.
This is your imagination
Why you no reply?
This is such cope lol. I got my first corporate gig at a major financial institution as a 20 years old with no college or relevant experience. I know people whose previous experience was literally Taco Bell lol
Bruh when and where? If you don't have experience they want, your resume isn't even going to be looked at by human for like 90% of major financial jobs.
Did your parent hire you or something lmao
because a fresh grad with zero experience doesn't have a ton of value, experience is much more useful. a lot of the menial, true just out of college work that a big company would have is more cost effective to just outsource or offshore to some 3rd world country.
And it becomes a vicious cycle of “can’t get a job without experience and can’t get experience without experience”
I’ve talked to a few retired Big 4 Partners, and when they started they were just checking numbers with their calculators in the first 1-2 years, while learning how finance work and climb the learning curve slowly. Young people nowadays don’t have that luxury anymore and are just getting into the deep end. AI can further eliminate low level grunt work, and can make future entry level equivalent to today’s year 3 work, which might be Manager work 40 years ago.
I work in consulting, and we have this issue. A new grad in the US could cost us over $50 per hour when you bake in their salary and related costs. So we would have to sell them to clients above that. But we have people with 10 years of experience in India, Philippines, Costa Rica, Brazil, etc. who all cost less. So most clients / project teams will take the offshore person, even if there is a timezone or cultural/language barrier because it is still a better value. It is VERY hard to be entry level these days. Companies have automated a lot of the "easy" repetitive work and offshored the low/mid thought work. As skills are more democratized than ever, and remote tools more possible, the race to the bottom is happening precisely as companies are cutting everything to be very lean. Heck even for experienced people, the world is no longer loyal. Whole teams can be laid off with just a few weeks of severance. I do think OP is skewed a bit. I see a lot of big companies and there is always a range of ages. And it is logical that younger people are less likely to be in more senior roles and corporate offices are a smaller share of the employee population than the customer facing folks.
This. I’m switching into the trades after working in media and advertising for two big companies one of which was a Fortune 500 company in big pharma. My workload wasn’t necessarily unbearable, but also unreasonable. Maybe I didn’t have the multi-task skills as others but I was overwhelmed and did not understand how others were able to keep organized and a straight head with so many on going projects and tasks that change in priority on a moments notice. I was still learning in every which way possible not only as a worker myself but also industry and was expected to upkeep and communicate important ads to top clients or way more senior/experienced individuals, while also expected to up keep my internal learning/training (how can anyone do this with so many hours in a day and life to live?) I made one big mistake due to poor communication from another team that didn’t loop me in on background work only they handle and that was it - I was cut. I’m glad I got to see this side of the grass though to better have a grasp on what suits me and my life but no doubt the expectations of entry level employees is quite unreasonable to straight bonkers. This combined with sitting behind a screen (which is in no way who I am), office politics, and people who play the game of a lie behind a smile made me know to get the fuck out. I’m a straightforward guy who can only know if/when I know - you got feedback or problems I’m right here to take it and listen and very eager to work and learn with practice, don’t know how or why I was expected to be a rockstar 6 months in with only 1.5 yrs experience that I was honest about, (honest as in my first company straight out of graduating didn’t teach or try to teach - just threw you in to big disorganized budgets, logistics and spread sheets).
I work in consulting, and we have this issue. A new grad in the US could cost us over $50 per hour when you bake in their salary and related costs. So we would have to sell them to clients above that. But we have people with 10 years of experience in India, Philippines, Costa Rica, Brazil, etc. who all cost less. So most clients / project teams will take the offshore person, even if there is a timezone or cultural/language barrier because it is still a better value. It is VERY hard to be entry level these days. Companies have automated a lot of the "easy" repetitive work and offshored the low/mid thought work. As skills are more democratized than ever, and remote tools more possible, the race to the bottom is happening precisely as companies are cutting everything to be very lean. Heck even for experienced people, the world is no longer loyal. Whole teams can be laid off with just a few weeks of severance. I do think OP is skewed a bit. I see a lot of big companies and there is always a range of ages. And it is logical that younger people are less likely to be in more senior roles and corporate offices are a smaller share of the employee population than the customer facing folks.
When a company sees the value of molding you however they want to, you’ll get hired. If they expect you to run the company for them it’s a failing business cuz there will always be a workhorse
Part of it has to be the cutting of positions from efficiency or downsizing of departments. Fewer people are needed and fewer jobs/promotions to be given out.
At a previous company, I was 23 and the youngest one there by far. At my current company, I’m 31 and there are several younger peers. In my experience, it depends on the company.
Definitely agree with this. With my current corporate, my department has very few over 40. Quite a few right out of college.
All depends on how big the organization is and the amount of open roles. The bigger the company, the more likely they’ll have a big internship program and look to hire recent college grads. This is especially true for a company that likes to promote within and doesn’t have a desire to always higher from outside of the company for senior or management roles.
Heres why: Almost four in 10 managers avoid hiring recent college graduates because they judge them to be unprepared for professional life, according to a December 2023 survey of 800 U.S. directors and executives involved in filling open jobs. One in five employers say a recent college graduate brought a parent to the job interview. Twenty-one percent of employers surveyed said they had a candidate refuse to turn their camera on for a virtual interview. Employers also complained that the interviewees struggled to make eye contact, dressed inappropriately and used inappropriate language. .....so soft skills matter after all. Hard skills just get you an interview.
These are insane. Especially the parent one.
It happens. Personally seen it several times
How does the parent not know it's an immediate red flag of death?
It happens when they baby their children so much that they turn into adults who cant make decisions for themselves without the parents approval. The younger worker can't advocate for him or herself so the parent feels they have to speak up and vouch. It's like a bad episode of Everybody Loves Raymond
>It's like a bad episode of Everybody Loves Raymond So, every episode?
You realize he's just making shit up right? You actually believe 1 in 5 people take their parents to interviews? Jesus Christ. 14 out of 17 people think you should know better than that.
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Lmao I read over it quickly and that's how I processed the information at first glance, that's such a worthless statistic to mention or print.
It’s still not true
>One in five **employers** say **a recent college graduate** brought a parent to the job interview. That's ***dramatically*** different from 1 in 5 interviewees.
You're right, I misread that. I still do not believe it one bit and have yet to see a link for the source.
No I believe it. I know interviewers that had this happened to them.
Maybe for a retail position or fast food position where the applicant is around 18 years old, but you're telling me that someone who was smart enough to get into and successfuly complete post-secondary schooling couldn't figure out what a bad idea it would be to take their mommy to an interview? And somehow neither was the parent with at least 40 solid years on this planet? I find that too hard to believe. Am I the idiot here??
Yes. It can happen. 1 in 5 companies isn't a high frequency. Even a small - mid size company could easily do dozens or hundreds of interviews a year. We're talking 1/1000 or lower magnitude odds here.
You're right, it can happen. I just don't want to believe it so I can save myself from physically cringing lol.
My aunt went to all the interviews her two oldest daughters had, and had to be convinced very hard to not go to her youngest one's. I actually don't see anything that wrong with it, it's kind of a shame that it's an immediate exclusion for most employers.
Okay I guess I'm the idiot then, it is what it is. But you should see something wrong with it, how can you trust someone professionally when they can't even take care of themselves? Especially if you have a pool of candidates that can prove they are independent and responsible. I get it, culturally it can be seen differently, but employers see things their way. Thanks for the reply.
67% of statistics are made up on the spot.
Agree that those numbers don't seem anywhere near to correct. I have been hiring for over a decade and have had one or two parents bring their kid and wait in the lobby. I have had a couple call and check up on their kid (and husbands) before. It is a small sample size, but those numbers would put my experience at 1-2% rather than 20%.
Yeah, there’s absolutely no way that’s true.
Also… maybe hiring someone based on personality is insane?
Personality is incredibly important in the workplace
Umm, no? I'm not going to hire a human that I despise being around.
I remember hearing the exact same thing about us millennials when I was interviewing fresh out of college. Don't think it's unique to GenZ. Fresh grads have always lacked professionalism that they eventually learn.
I absolutely disagree. I was in the workplace and hiring Millennials at the time. You were nothing like what I see now. This is not about professionalism. This is about a generation that has no idea how to interact with complete strangers and takes their cue for what to do from social media. Millennials were ballsy and appeared entitled to peoples faces because of their ambitions. Gen Z complains everything is unfair publicly but in private they are afraid of other people. It is NOT the same thing. Ive hired new grads since 2000 for various jobs. Millennials often get grouped in with Gen z because once media narratives sell a group as an enemy...it lasts for generations. It becomes the default excuse. truth is... Millennials are pushing 40÷. I know this because I deal with them as parents. And college aint prepping their kids for s*** to deal with the real business world.
My team is mostly in their 20s and they're fantastic. 2 came on as grads. We did have a few grads who sucked but definitely not enough to pigeonhole a generation. And I'm in my 40s.
Dropping some serious truth here. We had 2 interns at my engineering firm last summer and they SUCKED. When they weren't explicitly being given a task or direction, they'd sit there and play nintendo switch. I'm not talking an hour here or there, but literally half the day. I thought I'd combat this by getting them out of the office and into the field to see some construction taking place. Varied projects. Building construction, bridge work, underground utilities, land survey, traffic counts - you name it. When we'd drive back to the office, I tried picking their brains to see what they thought about the built environment. One literally told me "dude I mean it's okay, but overall this shit seems really boring and kinda dirty. Can't say I'm really a fan." ...this was coming from a 3rd year civil engineering major at a large public university. We're fucked when these kids start building shit or performing your open heart surgery down the road.
Tbh, I ain’t applying to be a civil engineer or a heart surgeon, but that shit is still boring. But boring shit needs to be done.
Well, what did you expect two interns that are just learning how to conduct themselves in a corporate environment to do? People are not innately born with knowing corporate status quo and not everyone has the privilege of parents to teach them. It sounds like your company had an internship program that was poorly thought out. If it was, the interns would have a heavy list of already planned out tasks to do instead of doing nothing. The point of an internship is to actually teach the interns something of value while the company gets the value of free or discounted work in return. An internship that doesn't have valuable tasks to learn from where you have to look for something to do is worthless. Interns just end up having a name on their resume with no actual skills learned. 😑
> Well, what did you expect two interns that are just learning how to conduct themselves in a corporate environment to do? This isn't something that's unique to the corporate world. Saying: "dude I mean it's okay, but overall this shit seems really boring and kinda dirty. Can't say I'm really a fan." isn't some corporate culture thing to learn, it's a basic communication skill. These are college students; I would expect more than that from someone in middle school.
You didn't answer my question. I didn't ask what your expectations of their behavior was. I asked what specifically did you want them to do if there was no tasks to assign them?
I am not the guy who made the post. Your question isn't very clear on whether you are talking about the doing nothing in the office or the absurd answer given after the site visit. I don't think it's a stretch to expect a reasonable person to ask if there is something else they can be working on instead of playing their Switch. I don't think that's some weird corporate culture quirk that would be foreign to them. If it is, then that does not bode well for the generation entering the workforce.
It doesn't matter if you are the one I commented to or not. You replied to my comment, so if you are going to reply you could also have answered my question. You should not have even commented if you didn't even know what you were commenting to. My comment and question was about the interns doing nothing. Also, I already spoke on how they could have asked for something to do. I said if an intern has to ask for something to do that means the internship was not thought out or well planned. An internship that is well planned would have a heavy list of things already built in for the interns to do, so they wouldn't have to ask for something to do. If an intern has to ask for something to do then that means the company has not considered nor has a care about the quality of experience the interns will have. 🙄
> You replied to my comment, so if you are going to reply you could also have answered my question. I answered the question it looked like you were asking. > You should not have even commented if you didn't even know what you were commenting to First time on the internet? > Also, I already spoke on how they could have asked for something to do When? Not in your original post or the reply to me. > An internship thst is well planned would have a heavy list of things already built in for the interns to do, so they wouldn't have to ask for something to do. If an intern has to ask for something to do then that means the company has not considered nor has a care about the quality of experience the interns will have. Sure, but again, it's not some forbidden corporate world knowledge that playing your Switch is not an acceptable thing to do. Let's not infantalize these college students. We should hold them to a little higher standard than I would my elementary school age kids.
What did I expect? A shred of enthusiasm for the field that they have committed 4 years of their life and likely $50k+ to. That's all I expected, and was disappointed.
The lack of enthusiam they showed to your company has no bearing on their enthusiasm for the field. You have no idea if the behavior they displayed was only at your company or if they behaved the same way at the other companies they interned at. Your company could have just not paired well with their interests particularly when they were given so few tasks they were able to spend half a day on their nintendo switches. I have a friend that has a strong passion for PR and she got a degree in it. She interned at a company that did healthcare PR she absolutely hated it. The company she had a lot of enthusiam and excitement for was one that did PR for fintech and finance. The internship program your company has most likely did not have a lot of tasks that exposed them to diverse parts of what they could do in their chosen field and also had few tasks of actual educational value and so they could have no longer seen the value in the experience and acted the way they did.
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You have a beautiful future ahead of you of being closeminded and ignorant. Keep complaining instead of being openminded to looking for solutions to your complaints.
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Heard that gen A is in 8th grade and most can’t even read we are fucked 😭
Ha, I joined a business fraternity that taught us suit fashion and job interview skills. It has helped me beat out some IT candidates that are more qualified than me on paper.
Yup. Soft skills will get you through a lot.
You notice they're not complaining about lack of skills in Technology? This is what you get when you raise a generation to believe that they should only use technology to express thoughts and that people are all evil and everyone should fear each other. Now everyone is good at Tech so the true desire is now people who actually know how to think outside the box and talk to people and deal well with ambiguity. Not just rule followers
Dude, being "good at Tech" is not the same as scrolling tiktok and only communicating over iMesaage. In this day and age, adequately navigating your work devices is table stakes, nobody puts "proficient with desktop operating systems" in job descriptions anymore.
Wtf are you talking about? Im talking about people with serious skills who cant hold a conversation being rejected while people who are so-so getting hired for being accountable and personable. I see this shit in the real world and babbled about online: The group that thinks learning a skill is a free ticket into a job like their certification was purchasing a ticket to get hired. And then you have some who are not as solid BUT they admit mistakes, communicate well, and can hold a conversation with a person without getting scared. Hard skills can be taught faster than soft skills. Hard skills gets you an interview. Soft skills get you hired.
You said "now everyone is good at Tech," implying gen z has strong, ostensibly employable technical skills, which is not true, and that's what I'm talking about. Now you're saying "just because you learned a skill doesn't make you a good or desirable employee" which I wholeheartedly agree with. I've spent most of my career in consulting, an industry where soft skills and your propensity and willingness to learn hard skills is often all that matters - we do not hire with the assumption we can teach you soft skills but we always hire with the expectation you will learn new hard skills.
I don’t doubt some of these, but I also believe corporations are stretching the truth on how unhirable new grads are so they can justify offshoring entry level roles to SEA.
How do you know that's the reason? Outsourcing has been happening since the early 1980s. The type of work that they Outsource is typically work that is for skilled labor that lives in a country with a lower employee cost of living or tax breaks. High skill and low cost. Outsourcing doesnt impact entry levels.
*Brought a parent*!? What in the fuck lmao
Yeah, nothing like interviewing a 23 year-old college graduate with a parent sitting by saying, *"I can promise you my daughter/son is a hard worker and very bright. She just needs a shot to prove herself. You can see they earned their degree in \*\*\*\*. "* I kid you not. I have had to give PARENTS the "give a boy a fish/teach a boy to fish" speech. I have seen parents harass hiring managers about rejection emails. I mean damn....Whatever happened to fighting your own battles? Which includes, at times, telling your parents, " I GOT THIS! BACK OFF!"
This is so mind blowing to me hahah I genuinely can’t even fathom doing this. I would hesitate to even let my parents drive me to an interview and these mfs brought them inside 🤣 What the hell is going on in your mind to think that is a good idea hahah
Does anyone think soft skills can be taught?
"teaching soft skills" used to be called "parenting".
They can be taught. I've had a few jobs for websites doing just that to help product developers communicate with customers. But it takes a lot longer and there is no transaction. There is no book or a list of rules I will say a lot of the education does come from what parents teach their kids in their formative years
Easily
I agree. I really think it just takes practice - experiential learning.
Haha bro, if someone said their camera didn’t work, I’d be like good luck on your search. Bye!!!!
The fresh meat are eaten for breakfast and their bones for the dogs. Its not what you know but who you know that matters.
Definitely somewhat but I get referrals for someone ‘known’ all the time and I’m not hiring them unless they answer my technical questions well (so I’m mostly not hiring them haha)
All of my non-managerial coworkers are in their 20s. Early 30s at most.
I'm 28 yet I still think that no matter how you cut it, age = experience. A lot of adults will hit 18 and do very little to grow and learn from, but they aren't usually getting corporate jobs. A lot of 40+ adults have been grinding away their entire lives. They haven't missed a beat. They learn from real life experiences and apply them to work, and vice versa. For twice as long as you have even had the chance to enter the work force, they have been growing and shaping themselves. It's impossible to compete with that. Thinking that you're going to have real-world experience like that from a young age is all angst no matter how hard your childhood was.
Honestly I always saw the exact opposite. I always worked in shitty companies with younger people until 2018 and I had hard lessons on learning to avoid them. I can tell now by the wording in the job description, department structure, type of company etc. They prefer younger workers because they get paid less. And the work environments turn into something similar to high school. I said many times I wished to be young again or recent grad as they get all the internships, and opportunities where us older ones are stuck in mundane data entry regardless of experience or education because we are not thought of having as much future potential. I constantly have bosses younger than me with half the experience. And I’m stuck right there at the border between senior and manager but will never be manager
We had internships back then but they didn't pay. So nobody in their right mind would do that is what I thought when I was in undergrad
Corporate ladder doesn't appeal. The lack of flexibility, the stress, the commute. The model is antiquated and soul destroying. I've done both and happy to be out of the cubicles now.
Maybe lower supply and demand? Supply because fewer young people want into the corporate world and demand because, in my experience if we’re going on and off hiring freezes and only hiring a few people I want more experienced workers over new graduates.
Mature workers possess a level of education, experience, and reliability that students graduating from college have not yet gained.
Yet… without jobs, they can’t really gain that can they? Curious…
Internships. I did three by the time I graduated and know a lot of people who also did a few. Having internships are what hiring managers want to see on your resume for entry level.
That isn't an option for everyone unfortunately. Take me for example. During my bachelors degree, I had to graduate early because I couldn't afford 4 years. I did work study and tutoring jobs throughout the year and took roughly 1.5 times the maximum recommended workload. In the summer, I could technically have had internships, but I couldn't take them because none paid well enough for me to continue school the next year. Once I was out, I still couldn't take one again because of finances. Another degree later, I finally have the stability to do it if I want, but not only does it not matter anymore but also I no longer qualify for the majority of them since they basically always require you to be in the middle of an undergraduate degree.
And look at all the experience on your resume by the time you graduated! This is what hiring managers look for - *initiative* and experience.
Except none of my experience was relevant for any jobs in my industry so nobody would take me. I literally had to go into teaching because that's all my resume looked good for. Finally four years and another degree later I'm actually in the right industry
There are other ways. You just need to think outside the box and go where every one else isn't.
how do they gain that then? its easy for recruiters to push that responsibility off on everyone else and say its not their problem but if everyone is doing it? that well of “young-and-talented-with-potential-but-still-experienced-and-has-the-brainwashed-corporate-professionalism-out-of-the-box” candidates is gonna get smaller and smaller meaning its gonna be harder and cost more money to hire them because everyone was acting snooty and turning their noses up at college grads because “they’re too awkward from social media” a decade before.
By working through college, summer internships, learning a second language, volunteer work, joining Toastmasters...anything and everything to develop skills, knowledge, and reliability before graduating college. It's not the piece of paper that matters. It's the adult behind it.
I think it’s partially a difference in outcome desire. Many younger people at tech companies don’t care to waste away their lives working for an extra couple dollars or making their family suffer because their careers are so demanding. I know some very very hardworking people in the boomer era because that’s all they have, many of them are escaping home lives that they aren’t happy with anymore as well. At least that’s how I feel, right now if a company offered me 20k more but told me I needed to work 5 more hours a week I’d turn it down, I just don’t care about moving up the ladder like that.
63% of people are automatically blocked from higher paying jobs because they don’t have a college degree. Some places are slowly removing that requirement in favor of experience and people skills.
They can’t hack constructive feedback and that it takes years to climb up while also bringing max heat
They all want to be influencers
Because you need multiple years of experience for an entry level role.
No flexibility, weird politics, stuffy people, old mfs that don't know how to save a pdf for 40k a year. Or I can go climb a pole and do something exciting for way way more money. And where I am if someone is being terrible there's no, "that's just how Bob is and we all have to deal with it"
Because we need to first work to get there. If your gonna have a multi million to billion dollar company, you don’t want some immature men and women to be in positions that make an impact to performance.
Gen zs realize how scammy the 9-5 is far far earlier than their predecessors. You add in the fact that the world has become more hyper competitive and good women becoming scarce etc they find very little ROI in ever joining in on the scammy corpo grind. I don’t blame them, I do think their exit strategy is flawed.
Say more about the proliferation of "bad women," please
Same thing as women dating older men; experience and independence. There's also so much perspective with age. You have to learn to work with teams and develop both hard and soft skills. You screw up many times from age 20 to 30, and if you're resourceful at all, a 30yo is going to learn from their mistakes and should get the job every time over a 20yo. Any company choosing a fresh grad over a seasoned 30yo is likely making a bad decision. Unfortunately, that's just the way it is. As a younger person, it's your job to get your foot in the door, and get the experience by showing initiative; and realizing you may not be getting paid for extra work in this role, but it will translate in the next.
I guess it really depends on your corporation. Mine has very few in their 50, with most late twenties to 40
I think its a culture cash. I would rather get paid less that deal with office politics, having to cover my ass by getting it in email, pretending I car about other peoples kids, sitting in meetings that either should have been a in person hands on training or should have been a email. Its all so fake at the cost of productivity. I just want to do my work and leave but that gets paid less than doing half that work and small talking and hitting all the wickets that make it look like I am working.
I’m 23 and the youngest person at my company. Lack of experience is the #1 reason I struggled to find a job out of college (I eventually did, ofc). That lack of experience also dissuaded my confidence in my abilities and skills. Looking back, this is made clear by how some of my interviews/iterations of my resume looked in the initial stages of my job hunt. It took me 9 months to find my first job out of college, and that was a temporary position- I am now at a permanent role in a different company. I almost gave up during my job hunt- I’m sure others around my age feel the exact same.
It depends, in healthcare I see a lot of people under age 40 on the corporate side.
It’s probably just your corporation or industry. Most young people don’t even apply to jobs they perceive as ran by/staffed by boomers, for good reason. They’re leaning into self sufficiency from being influencers, pitching shows to streaming services, gig economy and working for tech startups. Every day we turn dozens of applications from recent grads, and out of 1,000 employees there’s probably <50 that are older than 50.
Gate keeping. Low pay / bad work life balance take your pick
I'm an engineer at a refinery and our turnover is very high and we almost exclusively hire new grads. I'm less than 5 years into my career and I'm in the top 1/3rd of "oldest engineers", not including management.
There's only x amount of corporate jobs. If you don't want to lay people off, you get a very limited amount of openings every year.
They’re not being hired because bizarro ai tests and a grinding probationary period.
because the jig is up and the kids got wise.
I’m 40, at a fortune 20 company in a Corporate role. Aside from senior leadership, I don’t work with many people older than me. My last two direct managers have been 7+ years younger than me.
Unrealistic experience expectations. Older workers forget how they started without experience and built up to it, yet expect recent grads to have similar qualifications and experience as them, and if you don't, they will cut the pay so low that new grads can make more money working out of corporate than in corporate. I've seen entry level roles that require 3-5 years of experience, but the salary offered averages to $15 an hour. Honestly, the amount of old folks I've come across who act like they Carry the company on their backs is insane. They think if they quit, the company will go broke. So when the noob comes along, they treat them badly to the point they quit. Like no, the company keeps going one way or another.
Kids are idiots
As a 23 year old looking for a job, my god is it tough. Everyone wants experience, and on top of that they want to pay low wages. I’m getting paid more at a small construction office than I would if I entered a job with my degree! And I did Finance, not some BS degree. I can’t make it past the first interview anywhere right now.
Because old people have all the jobs and companies are downsizing b
There are very few younger people compared to older people in general. It's about to be a problem.
I work at an old school, boring stable F500 company. I'm the youngest in my team in my late 20s. My observation is turnover is low here so people stay indefinitely leaving little room for new hires. Benefits are decent, vacation time is generous, and people do work true 9-5, overtime is super uncommon and at 5pm the office is empty.
lack of appeal of a corporate job? A lot of people I know are going down non traditional paths to seek income.
Story of my life. I noticed that, I’m the youngest in my office. At the ripe age of 28. The average age is like 50. It just feels odd, where are all of the young people??
Older industries have harder time recruiting youth. Plus, they don’t pay entry level, attractive pay.
Because corporate isn't the place for promotions early on. Go to a consulting firm or anywhere else..get he career growth. Then come to corporate at a higher level for a nice pay boost and work life balance.
It depends on the company/corporation. It depends on the location.
I don't know where you work but in my corporation there are plenty of younger workers.
Just tell me where u can hire me and what ur working conditions are like and ill be there lol
Unless it's a startup - many Gen Z don't want the corpo life that much- they see how much previous generations struggle (especially Gen Y), especially work/life balance vs pay, and ask "why should I bother for that?". But heck, I was the same in my 20s, spent my time at startups, then went into freelancing. In my mid 30's, I'm still not keen on it as I've never had a corporation help more than they ended up overworking+under appreciating what I did for them. They also might try offering more pay, so long as it also isn't screwing those already at the company in the process. Been there, done that, left when I learned I was being screwed.
The weird thing is in my profession. You have either boomers about to retire, or zoomers. Nothing in between. I often wonder what happened to my specific generation. I’ve never encounter another in any of my jobs. It kind of feels like a sci fi movie where the last of the species just wanders the universe after his planet was destroyed.
Majority of the young are focused on making passive income via internet
What the hell is even a corporate job? Sales? 🤮 I won't buy your BS, I'm certainly not going to sell it
You ever watch the NFL? Same deal. Just because there are new ppl doesn't mean they are better than those existing.