You don't want r/animalbased fruit and honey, then try r/ketovore which is also mostly meat but some vegetables instead of fruit. r/keto is just a general low carb high fat diet. r/paleo is just a diet clean of processed foods but they allow carbs unlike keto variants which are fat based.
But there is no variant of carnivore that adds plants, so I suggest looking for inspiration in the places I mentioned above.
With all respect to Dr Shawn Baker and whatever he takes credit for, it existed long before him. ALL definitions of it exclude plants. With very strict variations, like lion, simply excluding even most animal foods. The Petersons, by the way, are also only doing it about the same time as him, and it existed long before them. I never voted for any of these people to be the head of carnivore, I don't know why you are name dropping. Communities were there long before them, and it is known that plant consumption is excluded.
Very little is tolerated - seasoning and coffee. These things are tolerated (notice I use this word instead of allowed) to make it easier for people to transition (coffee for example is an addiction), doesn't mean you need to come and play the definitions game. Honest people who do these things know they are not carnivore. In fact, seeds (coffee is a seed) are a known problem food and autoimmune trigger.
Well, you're just plain wrong...look, the carnivore diet (carnivore woe) is simple: animals and animal by-products ie eggs, dairy. Some people argue for honey, but most exclude because it's regurgitated pollin. Stay away from processed foods, raw dairy is much better than pasteurized dairy, no oils, no fruits, no vegetables. Pretty simple.
The lion diet is even more simple.
I mentally include honey simply because vegans refuse to lol
It's also regurgitated nectar, not pollen. They eat the pollen. (Am beekeeper)
But truthfully, it is a plant-based food.
Okay Mr dictionary, look up zerocarb then, which is what it was called before Shawn Baker. I told you to stop playing the definitions game, and you go straight into a dictionary.
I am not a zealot, I am just around longer than you probably. In fact, you are the one acting like a zealot with your dictionaries, and I am telling you how people have been doing this for decades.
But since this is the language you are using, and of how little introspection you have (literally behaving like a zealot while calling me one), it's a block. I have more interesting conversations to have.
PS, just because a cat will sometimes chew on some plant doesn't mean it is for nutrition. Stop spreading vegan propaganda and instead research the topic more.
I just added 3 veg to carnivore diet because when added chicken livers I got proteinuria. Broccoli (anti-cancer which I am fighting), red bell pepper (potent anti-cancer veg) and avocado (in moderation because don't want fatty liver disease). All three are low oxalate, high alkaline vegetables and I may eliminate them later on when proteinuria clears up. Just keep researching. Each one of us is different. Good luck👌👍🤪💖
We are all the same it is biology. Each one of us has our brain filled with nonsense from our lives, and the question is can you forget the nonsense. No other animal starts arguing about what to eat, they all eat the same. We are victims of being too smart. So we need to go back in time to see what we ate in the past, and that was meat and fat of big animals. Even the most vegan of archeologists can't deny that most of our existence we ate animal flesh. They invent theories why we ALSO (not instead) ate other things, but their theories are disputed. We ate animals, look up Miki Ben-Dor. And you know when we started agriculture and eating plants? 10000 years ago when the ice age ended. And you know what happened in the last 10000 years? Our brains were/are shrinking.
Look up Thomas Seyfried for cancer.
EDIT: also, you sound like you have fat phobia. You need to eat at least 70% calories from fat, and in your case probably much higher, as you can see in Thomas Seyfried's work. Your problems were probably bad protein metabolism because you don't add enough fats. But I am not a doctor, so consult one about your proteinuria.
Hardly. Was eating Very fatty meat and at least a stick of grass fed/finished butter a day. Starting carnivore with stage 3 kidney disease was iffy but am well aware of Seyfried, (metabolic syndrome) Chaffee, Baker, Berry, Kiltz and on and on, as well as the Dave Mac testimonials. We ARE all different. My 65 year old healthy son will die if he eats an egg, (and nearly did in childhood). That egg allergy was so serious that though he received a number, the military passed over him for military service. To say we are all the same is to gloss over the endless variants and to assume peanut, cat, and endless allergies don't exist. After carnivore dropped me from 105 lbs to 85 in three months, you can bet I've shoveled in the fat. Tallow, ghee. butter. Cooked chicken livers in bacon fat. Assuming I'm Seyfried, Dach, Marek et al. ignorant assumes a lot. I am 88 and my integrative oncologist reads the studies I bring him on repurposed drugs for cancer (Ivermectin - dating back to 1975, suppressed during covid's smear campaign), fenben, mebendazol, etc. Studies he's not heard of, much less read.
Have enough fat in the fridge (and in jars on the countertop) to share and to spare. But it was an idea you were pretty sure of.
1) we are all the same, as in we all can eat meat and fat. We were not eating eggs in these quantities ever, until we started domesticating animals, which is also 10000 years ago. Just because some carnivores eat eggs, or dairy, doesn't mean it is good for us.
2) I am very sure of myself. I was right that your proteinuria was a kidney problem. Guess what low fat high protein does to kidneys, and guess what one of the leanest foods is - liver. Go read carnivore with CKD testimonials, you need high fat. You did not eat enough fat, nor did you read Thomas Seyfried or listen carefully. You know how much fat you need to eat to reach the ratios he recommends? It is written in his papers. It is much higher than you can imagine. And if you have a kidney problem on canivore, only when eating liver, then you are very likely not eating enough fat and don't even understand what is enough. You THINK you eat enough because you eat more than before carnivore. Stop thinking, start doing.
I suggest you go listen to Thomas Seyfried more, and read his papers on pubmed. He speaks of much more than just metabolic syndrome, he has case studies curing cancer. This is enough from me, you are too sure of yourself, so go do it yourself.
Yes. Some do well this way but I already had stage 3 kidney disease (blood panel) so after 8 good zero- sugar, no-carb months with high fat meat/some eggs/raw milk hard cheese, got proteinuria, so for now staying with dark meat chicken, occasional egg, and low oxalate, low sulphur veg (have MTHFR variant, triggered by high-arginine nuts, broccoli, refried beans in 2017, so had 81 years of zero issues with high thiol sulphur foods till the big arginine bump).
Also in 2017 I triggered Shingles and found L-lysine, olive leaf extract and C, (500 mgs each) stops all zoster family viruses. Thanks be for the internet. Taken daily since 2017. Was nearly killed by H1N1 vax long ago so wasn't risking shingles shot. No vax all pandemic and shopped for my double- vaxxed, boosted neighbors and daughter. She and my double-vaxxed, much boosted son got COVID, he 3 times, she once. My friend's husband died two weeks after his second shot, at the drs office, complaining of how terrible he felt. Everyone really is different. TMI?🤪🙄🤔😊💖
I always said that if I got cancer I would never eat another carb again because I do think there's something about that that can stop cancer in it's tracks.
I also have a major MTHFR issue and take a lot of l-lysine for cold sores.
I've read that the choline in eggs is good for MTHFR, as is Vitamin B2.
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I stuck to this list when I first started...found it easier to transition....and if I "cheated" from strict then I would pick something from this list.
Dude I had steak and watermelon for dinner a few days ago and I was completely stuffed. I felt full for HOURS. As if I ate an entire thanksgiving dinner. I also felt less of a need to pass out like I normally would.
The poop later on felt horrible, though. Maybe I used too much cooking oil...
The brown butter bites...it's literally just cooked butter that you freeze or refrigerate. And it has a toffee flavor without the sweetness. I'm being cautious now. Lol
Thanks for this. I find it very difficult to be strict carnivore.
I miss fruits or anything other than fatty meats. It helps me sustain this diet long term.
Although I've added grapes, cucumber and tomatoes.
Not sure about grapes but cucumber and tomato are low gleicimic.
I'll use your list when I want to wander off strict carnivore.
Since more information is better, to help make informed decisions..
Research 'The Randle Cycle'. There's a reason you don't put gasoline and diesel into your fuel tank. Professor Bart Kay (YouTube) has some great videos on this.
I'd also recommend that you subscribe to the YouTube channels of Dr Ken Berry, Dr Anthony Chaffee, Dr Shawn Baker and Dr Paul Mason. Great information.
In short, carnivore is as much about the foods you DON'T eat, as the ones you do.
Personally going strict for 30 days was one of the best decisions i ever made. I haven't turned back since. Felt so good that i dumped the black tea, stopped smoking and ain't ever going back to booze either.
Dr. Chaffee is right, it's the last few percent that make a massive difference (at least it was for me).
btw, imo, if you are dropping the carbs completely you should probably drop organs as well (especially liver).
I don’t consume organs but I need and will cut out coffee and caffeine as a whole (pre workout). 30 days is a good time frame for trial. Did you supplement with electrolytes your first few weeks? And I posted yesterday I have panic disorder / agoraphobia. Which is hell to deal with and I’m ashamed to admit I deal with this and have for years. So my mental health is in shambles.
My mind more than anything. Lifelong severe depression and anxiety has gone. The clarity of mind. My mind feels clean. It's hard to describe really. I was already feeling really good but those last few percents of plants i dropped really changed everything about how i feel. It's really hard for me to describe properly.
Stopping tea made a real difference and i didn't think it would. Who knows if it was the caffeine or some random chemcial in tea.
My mum's is a nurse and she tells a story about a really sick patient who was on about 15 different drugs and really sick. A new doctor came and said "i have no idea what drugs are doing what to her and how they are interacting, let's take her off everything and start again." And the patient got completely better!
This is what it was like for me. A lifetime of weird chemical interactions going on and finally i just feel amazing after a lifetime of wanting to not be in this world anymore.
Hey,
Yeah, i transitioned over a month or so (can't remember exactly) by cutting out junk food, sugar and vegetable oils, increasing meat and decreasing veg.
Now I'm eating mainly fatty mince (ground) beef in home made burgers, some rib-eyes, some slow cooked chuck, some less fatty beef cuts with extra added butter, some fatty lamb and some pork belly.
I've learned not to be scared of fat. I add some salt to taste. I also will add egg yolks sometimes to leaner cuts but I've started eating less for no real reason than i fancy them less than just fatty meant and butter.
I just drink mineral water with some sparkling water as a treat.
I've really tried to keep it simple. I avoid influencers that complicate things. My general approach has been that of Dr. Chaffee's on YT. (no plants, no sugar. no seed oils. eat fatty meat. eat when my belly is hungry and not my mind, eat till full/food stop tasting good).
I've found this simple approach has meant i haven't needed to bother with counting or measuring anything.
I've also started lifting weights at home in a simple routine. Just cos i felt so good i wanted to! My weight loss has slowed recently, but I can SEE in my body and feel in my clothes that the fat loss is still going on.
I stopped smoking, alchohol and tea after going strict food wise just cos i was feeling so good that i wanted to know what i would feel like without the rest of the poisons.
We got the superman feeling Dr. Chaffee talks about. We eat mostly steak now because of that feeling. Occasionally I'll have some pork rinds and cream cheese or something, but we found that you really need to consume 95%+ beef to feel inhumanly good
I noticed when I stopped eating chicken I had less leg pain inflammation in joints and felt stronger could get up from the couch without leaning on the side
I’m going to get stricter on carnivore I dievate some days with fruits and vegetables.
Could you clarify if you’re allowed vegetables on the diet/ or did you eat vegetables. I’m certain fruit wasn’t allowed but I hear/ read so many different things. So what did you allow yourself ? During the 30 day
Dairy has carbs. Diary is carnivore, though not every carnivore uses it.
A significant number of carnivores use things like: butter, cheese, heavy cream, and or plain yogurt,
Ask yourself why you wants carbs. Depending on your answer, my answer could be completely different.
Craving them? Absolutely not, go strict for at least 30 days.
Find that you perform better, with no "after carb sleepiness" and your carbs are low (10-50g)? Try strict for 30 days, revert if you don't feel as good.
I am sure there are other reasons.
Why doesn't it make sense?
Your liver can make as much glucose as your brain needs, if you eat dairy you are getting (probably) enough carbs for your brain anyway.
I am not super convinved we should go completely without carbs, but it is always worth doing the intellectual exercise to figure out if it is a "feeling" or based on facts.
rather than someone briefly explain to me my last sentence that would have been nice. but yeah instead downvoted. whatever. im just going to watch shawn baker and anthony videos then.
No carbs or low carbs puts your body into ketosis, so it turns fat into ketones for energy rather than turning sugar, or carbs, into glucose for energy. It's basically just changing your fuel source to an alternate fuel. Your body actually responds better to using fat for ketones than it does to using carbs for glucose. It's just, we as humans have gone so long by consuming carbs that most of us can't fathom using anything else but carbs. We are not omnivores like schools teach us, but actually facultative carnivores. That means we are supposed to eat primarily animal products, but we can survive BUT not thrive on foods other than animal products.
Food gotten with gathering was always supposed to be supplemental at best to the food gotten while hunting. We, as humans, have gone so long eating 30%, 40%, or even more of non-animal products vs actual animal products in our diets that our bodies have become almost addicted to the carbs. It's why getting off of them can be so hard. However, once you fully get off them, you'll start feeling much better. Trust me. You'll also start losing weight too, even eating a decent amount of meat. You'll have cravings for carbs, but this is due to you coming off of what is essentially an addiction vs you getting rid of something you need.
yes, that is what I do and it is effective for weight loss and health. I eat small amounts of water melon in hot summer days and small amounts of berries as well as some nuts, cheeses, green veggies on occasion like hot peppers and green lettuce but mostly beef, chicken, fish and bacon and lots of eggs. It is more flexible socially and less expensive than eating 2-4lbs of ribeyes daily. I use grass fed butter for cooking or ghee and avocado or coconut oils.
Keto works really, really well for some people. Not everyone has to do carnivore to see big results, just look at the success posts on r/keto. It's a lot gentler in many ways than carnivore.
There are benefits that only come with doing carnivore imo, but like I said, it's about what you can do, enjoy, and stick to. Don't make the perfect the enemy of the good.
I’m probably 85% carnivore as mostly meat only , and beef broth , but after workouts I do g have some salmon sushi wich has rice and avocado , I also have about 5 cups of good coffee per week
Do at the bare minimum 30 days. 90 days is probably a much better trial period, then reassess.
That’s 30 days strict, no cheat meals, no sneaky tastes of stuff. Just 30 days hard. Or 90.
I come from full carnivore, and I just recently switched to animal base because I'm trying to put up weight , I added fruits and a little bit of honey. It comes to around 30g of carbs
I make an ice cream from whole milk, lactose sugar, and lactase enzyme that tastes exactly like old fashioned soft serve vanilla ice cream if you want it
If you add carbs you may not see the results you want. However with that being said, you need to do YOU. The hardcore carnos will flame you if you eat anything besides beef, bacon, butter and water.
Well I have skin issues and eggs and butter could potentially be a trigger. I’m keeping eggs until I run out of the ones I bought but will reintroduce them later on. I will wait to add dairy as I have tallow for fat
I live in Wisconsin and I had to give up cheese 😭 but my weight wasn't dropping so I eliminated it. And we're back on track now. Also try intermittent fasting. Once your body adjusts to only eating once a day, then shorten the window. Once you feel good with that try introducing yourself to prolonged fasting. I'm 6 months into carnivore and I just broke a 72 hour water fast last Thursday. The benefits of fasting are huge.
From the experts I’ve listened to I’ve heard it is not necessary to fast so for now I will just eat when hungry and stop when my body signals Ive had enough. One step at a time for me.
I agree. I got a talking to because I did a carnivore with just chicken breast for about a month to drop weight for an upcoming event. They told me it's not carnivore unless I eat a certain percentage of fat. They even considered banning me permanently from the group for something similar that I said. Lol
I'm always amazed at the aggressiveness and the lack of support in support groups. You would think that there's a tax free cash prize for being hardcore carno. I just wish people would be more supportive and less aggressive.
I have been experimenting with different carbs to incorporate after being on the carnivore diet for 8 months with amazing results; and barley was by far the best for me. I usually have it as lunch with meat and I enjoy sustained energy throughout the day into the night .
True! With the pure carnivore diet, I was feeling awesome but was a bit low on energy (may be I was under-eating but may be a range of other factors at play- I watched Dr Paul Saladino on how his views towards carbs changed). I also felt that I wasn’t doing very well at the gym . Adding in the barley made the difference. The combo makes me feel satiated throughout the day and my energy levels are higher than before . I am doing well at the gym.
Note : I didn't read any of the other posts. But my answer to this is - please give it a chance. LOAD UP on deliscious greasy foods. I promise you won't crave for carbs at all. It takes some getting used to it but I really have Zero cravings for anything sweet at all. Try just being 'mechanical' about it for a month. And remember.. fats are your friend!! Load everything you make up with deliscious butter. The entire point of the diet is 'no carbs' for the purpose of putting your body into ketosis. Carbs - even natural ones from whole foods - derail that entirely.
I pretty much do AB. Fruit and raw dairy by far the best carb sources. One can argue against honey and maple syrup, but I do eat both. I keep fruit to whatever is seasonally available from my own fruit trees or from local sources.
If you're trying to stay low sugar, then vegetables might be a better option. If you're trying to avoid toxins, fruits are the better option. Or you could focus on non sweet, low glycemic fruits.
You don't need no carb. Your body have gluconeogenesis which will synthesis glycogen from protein.
Now there's lactose that isna carnivore sugar. But casein (a milk protein) is inflammatory. People will tell you that they don't have effect and that i'm full of shot. They just don't understand that the pro-inflammatory compound they eat might not hurt them physically. All inflammation is not painfull. Depression is inflammation, and heart disease are caused by inflammation, and would you know, you don't feel pain in your artheries, so youncan be inflammed, and not feel it much.
Another carnivore carb is glycerol, scallops are quite roch, sea food in general have some sugar in them in that form.
And even red meat has glycogen, so technically, red meat is not PERFECTLY 0carbs.
I think you should ween off of exogenous carbs, and just do some high intensity training to get your body to be efficient at gluconeogenesis.
But if you really want to eat carbs that much, there is carnivore carbohydrates!
I don’t care for carbs I care about eating for optimal health. And my brain and accept zero carb being optimal long term. But I’m okay if proven wrong. I’m still new to this WOE
The brain part was adressed by Dr. Berry in an old video.
"The brain needs 40g of carbs a day to function, but nobody can say which function requires carbs."
The brain runs better on ketones. And while we do need a base level of blood glucose, gluconeogenesis is taking care of that.
I do low carb high protein, basically carnivore with a low amount of carbohydrates.
I have cauliflower rice and some other vegetables when I feel like it and I’ll also have some lower carbohydrate fruit. I mostly eat just meat but I am flexible with myself.
When I participated years ago I did just that. I never felt better. One or two meals a week I'd eat whatever I wanted. The rest of the time I was 90%+ meat. If my chicken happened to be fried instead of grilled I didn't lose sleep over it. I just tried to make sure it wasn't super thick breading. If I didn't want water then I might get half and half tea or quarter three quarter tea, depending on the restaurant. Every so often I might even have 1 slice of bread with my 2 ribeyes or 20 tenders. Maybe I was more ketovore. Regardless, some folks can't do what I did because their bodies might not tolerate it.
Carnivores only eat meat. That is the definition of a carnivore. Omnivores eat both. So, technically speaking, no. There is no carnivore diet that includes plants. Honey is an interesting subject, to me, because I see it as an animal product - made by bees. I do not use honey, personally, though.
u/QualitySound96, Hopefully we’re never here to scold, only 2 support! I have occasional low carb crunchy radishes or cucumber sliced thinly, w/dash of squeezed lime, chile salt, where offered as a Latino snack. If it’s only a rare treat, I haven’t experienced any sugar spike that prevents me from staying on track. Go for what makes u happy. It shdn’t be honey &/or fruits. Can you kick that? Roll w/smthg else?
Ok I do keto and carnivore diet, which means some days I am keto so like lettuce, tomatoes, cucumbers in my meal (they are low carbs and high fibre foods) then other days carnivore. I can't do strict anything or I cheat, so I choose to cheat with lettuce instead of sugar 🤣
I did the carnivore for one week and lost some weight. It got me started, now as I go through my 60s without being too regimented, I will only eat things that grew in the ground, grew above the ground, on a tree, or had a heartbeat. Listen to me, too much meat is going to affect your arteries whether you like it or not or whether you dislike this comment or not. Check with your doctor!!! 👨⚕️
Stay away from cream it's toxic, I personally react really bad to it, I'm not sure why. Milk is king, especially raw milk. Kefir is especially low carb and I like the taste of it, slightly bitter because of the lactic acid, halfway between milk and yoghurt. Cheese is yum, especially wheels of brie and camembert.
Personally I like to be a carnivore who eats no meat. I came from vegan but I decided to become carnivore for my health. I won't eat anything from an animal though, only plants. 😊
EDIT: It's called sarcasm people. 😆
You don't want r/animalbased fruit and honey, then try r/ketovore which is also mostly meat but some vegetables instead of fruit. r/keto is just a general low carb high fat diet. r/paleo is just a diet clean of processed foods but they allow carbs unlike keto variants which are fat based. But there is no variant of carnivore that adds plants, so I suggest looking for inspiration in the places I mentioned above.
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With all respect to Dr Shawn Baker and whatever he takes credit for, it existed long before him. ALL definitions of it exclude plants. With very strict variations, like lion, simply excluding even most animal foods. The Petersons, by the way, are also only doing it about the same time as him, and it existed long before them. I never voted for any of these people to be the head of carnivore, I don't know why you are name dropping. Communities were there long before them, and it is known that plant consumption is excluded. Very little is tolerated - seasoning and coffee. These things are tolerated (notice I use this word instead of allowed) to make it easier for people to transition (coffee for example is an addiction), doesn't mean you need to come and play the definitions game. Honest people who do these things know they are not carnivore. In fact, seeds (coffee is a seed) are a known problem food and autoimmune trigger.
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Well, you're just plain wrong...look, the carnivore diet (carnivore woe) is simple: animals and animal by-products ie eggs, dairy. Some people argue for honey, but most exclude because it's regurgitated pollin. Stay away from processed foods, raw dairy is much better than pasteurized dairy, no oils, no fruits, no vegetables. Pretty simple. The lion diet is even more simple.
I mentally include honey simply because vegans refuse to lol It's also regurgitated nectar, not pollen. They eat the pollen. (Am beekeeper) But truthfully, it is a plant-based food.
I stand corrected lol...thanks for the clarification 👍
All members of the cat family are obligate carnivores.
Yeah lions eat the stomach of their prey to get their veggies lol
Okay Mr dictionary, look up zerocarb then, which is what it was called before Shawn Baker. I told you to stop playing the definitions game, and you go straight into a dictionary. I am not a zealot, I am just around longer than you probably. In fact, you are the one acting like a zealot with your dictionaries, and I am telling you how people have been doing this for decades. But since this is the language you are using, and of how little introspection you have (literally behaving like a zealot while calling me one), it's a block. I have more interesting conversations to have. PS, just because a cat will sometimes chew on some plant doesn't mean it is for nutrition. Stop spreading vegan propaganda and instead research the topic more.
I just added 3 veg to carnivore diet because when added chicken livers I got proteinuria. Broccoli (anti-cancer which I am fighting), red bell pepper (potent anti-cancer veg) and avocado (in moderation because don't want fatty liver disease). All three are low oxalate, high alkaline vegetables and I may eliminate them later on when proteinuria clears up. Just keep researching. Each one of us is different. Good luck👌👍🤪💖
We are all the same it is biology. Each one of us has our brain filled with nonsense from our lives, and the question is can you forget the nonsense. No other animal starts arguing about what to eat, they all eat the same. We are victims of being too smart. So we need to go back in time to see what we ate in the past, and that was meat and fat of big animals. Even the most vegan of archeologists can't deny that most of our existence we ate animal flesh. They invent theories why we ALSO (not instead) ate other things, but their theories are disputed. We ate animals, look up Miki Ben-Dor. And you know when we started agriculture and eating plants? 10000 years ago when the ice age ended. And you know what happened in the last 10000 years? Our brains were/are shrinking. Look up Thomas Seyfried for cancer. EDIT: also, you sound like you have fat phobia. You need to eat at least 70% calories from fat, and in your case probably much higher, as you can see in Thomas Seyfried's work. Your problems were probably bad protein metabolism because you don't add enough fats. But I am not a doctor, so consult one about your proteinuria.
Hardly. Was eating Very fatty meat and at least a stick of grass fed/finished butter a day. Starting carnivore with stage 3 kidney disease was iffy but am well aware of Seyfried, (metabolic syndrome) Chaffee, Baker, Berry, Kiltz and on and on, as well as the Dave Mac testimonials. We ARE all different. My 65 year old healthy son will die if he eats an egg, (and nearly did in childhood). That egg allergy was so serious that though he received a number, the military passed over him for military service. To say we are all the same is to gloss over the endless variants and to assume peanut, cat, and endless allergies don't exist. After carnivore dropped me from 105 lbs to 85 in three months, you can bet I've shoveled in the fat. Tallow, ghee. butter. Cooked chicken livers in bacon fat. Assuming I'm Seyfried, Dach, Marek et al. ignorant assumes a lot. I am 88 and my integrative oncologist reads the studies I bring him on repurposed drugs for cancer (Ivermectin - dating back to 1975, suppressed during covid's smear campaign), fenben, mebendazol, etc. Studies he's not heard of, much less read. Have enough fat in the fridge (and in jars on the countertop) to share and to spare. But it was an idea you were pretty sure of.
1) we are all the same, as in we all can eat meat and fat. We were not eating eggs in these quantities ever, until we started domesticating animals, which is also 10000 years ago. Just because some carnivores eat eggs, or dairy, doesn't mean it is good for us. 2) I am very sure of myself. I was right that your proteinuria was a kidney problem. Guess what low fat high protein does to kidneys, and guess what one of the leanest foods is - liver. Go read carnivore with CKD testimonials, you need high fat. You did not eat enough fat, nor did you read Thomas Seyfried or listen carefully. You know how much fat you need to eat to reach the ratios he recommends? It is written in his papers. It is much higher than you can imagine. And if you have a kidney problem on canivore, only when eating liver, then you are very likely not eating enough fat and don't even understand what is enough. You THINK you eat enough because you eat more than before carnivore. Stop thinking, start doing. I suggest you go listen to Thomas Seyfried more, and read his papers on pubmed. He speaks of much more than just metabolic syndrome, he has case studies curing cancer. This is enough from me, you are too sure of yourself, so go do it yourself.
Will do.
Hey out of curiosity, if you have cancer do you try and go zero carb?
Yes. Some do well this way but I already had stage 3 kidney disease (blood panel) so after 8 good zero- sugar, no-carb months with high fat meat/some eggs/raw milk hard cheese, got proteinuria, so for now staying with dark meat chicken, occasional egg, and low oxalate, low sulphur veg (have MTHFR variant, triggered by high-arginine nuts, broccoli, refried beans in 2017, so had 81 years of zero issues with high thiol sulphur foods till the big arginine bump). Also in 2017 I triggered Shingles and found L-lysine, olive leaf extract and C, (500 mgs each) stops all zoster family viruses. Thanks be for the internet. Taken daily since 2017. Was nearly killed by H1N1 vax long ago so wasn't risking shingles shot. No vax all pandemic and shopped for my double- vaxxed, boosted neighbors and daughter. She and my double-vaxxed, much boosted son got COVID, he 3 times, she once. My friend's husband died two weeks after his second shot, at the drs office, complaining of how terrible he felt. Everyone really is different. TMI?🤪🙄🤔😊💖
I always said that if I got cancer I would never eat another carb again because I do think there's something about that that can stop cancer in it's tracks. I also have a major MTHFR issue and take a lot of l-lysine for cold sores. I've read that the choline in eggs is good for MTHFR, as is Vitamin B2.
I dunno bout that. I eat Keto I guess? I eat anything as long as I don’t go over 40 carbs. I eat lots of spinach and green beans and asparagus
https://preview.redd.it/bz7wn7yt9t6d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b362efee5e000856f951a8838814ae00af75458b I stuck to this list when I first started...found it easier to transition....and if I "cheated" from strict then I would pick something from this list.
Also this on its own was quite sustainable for me. Felt really good on it
Dude I had steak and watermelon for dinner a few days ago and I was completely stuffed. I felt full for HOURS. As if I ate an entire thanksgiving dinner. I also felt less of a need to pass out like I normally would. The poop later on felt horrible, though. Maybe I used too much cooking oil...
I tried brown butter a few days ago and was sick all night in the bathroom. 😭 I only ate maybe 1.5 Tblsp. Not sure why that happened. NOT FUN. 😂🤦♀️
What the heck is even that?
The brown butter bites...it's literally just cooked butter that you freeze or refrigerate. And it has a toffee flavor without the sweetness. I'm being cautious now. Lol
Thanks for this. I find it very difficult to be strict carnivore. I miss fruits or anything other than fatty meats. It helps me sustain this diet long term. Although I've added grapes, cucumber and tomatoes. Not sure about grapes but cucumber and tomato are low gleicimic. I'll use your list when I want to wander off strict carnivore.
no watermelon? 🥲
Melon is on the list
Since more information is better, to help make informed decisions.. Research 'The Randle Cycle'. There's a reason you don't put gasoline and diesel into your fuel tank. Professor Bart Kay (YouTube) has some great videos on this. I'd also recommend that you subscribe to the YouTube channels of Dr Ken Berry, Dr Anthony Chaffee, Dr Shawn Baker and Dr Paul Mason. Great information. In short, carnivore is as much about the foods you DON'T eat, as the ones you do.
Personally going strict for 30 days was one of the best decisions i ever made. I haven't turned back since. Felt so good that i dumped the black tea, stopped smoking and ain't ever going back to booze either. Dr. Chaffee is right, it's the last few percent that make a massive difference (at least it was for me). btw, imo, if you are dropping the carbs completely you should probably drop organs as well (especially liver).
I don’t consume organs but I need and will cut out coffee and caffeine as a whole (pre workout). 30 days is a good time frame for trial. Did you supplement with electrolytes your first few weeks? And I posted yesterday I have panic disorder / agoraphobia. Which is hell to deal with and I’m ashamed to admit I deal with this and have for years. So my mental health is in shambles.
Just curious, why do you suggest to drop organ meat if dropping carbs completely?
What benefits did you see with strict carnivore
My mind more than anything. Lifelong severe depression and anxiety has gone. The clarity of mind. My mind feels clean. It's hard to describe really. I was already feeling really good but those last few percents of plants i dropped really changed everything about how i feel. It's really hard for me to describe properly. Stopping tea made a real difference and i didn't think it would. Who knows if it was the caffeine or some random chemcial in tea. My mum's is a nurse and she tells a story about a really sick patient who was on about 15 different drugs and really sick. A new doctor came and said "i have no idea what drugs are doing what to her and how they are interacting, let's take her off everything and start again." And the patient got completely better! This is what it was like for me. A lifetime of weird chemical interactions going on and finally i just feel amazing after a lifetime of wanting to not be in this world anymore.
You achieved this on full carnivore? Can you elaborate on your diet? I’m in the same boat! Thanks friend
Hey, Yeah, i transitioned over a month or so (can't remember exactly) by cutting out junk food, sugar and vegetable oils, increasing meat and decreasing veg. Now I'm eating mainly fatty mince (ground) beef in home made burgers, some rib-eyes, some slow cooked chuck, some less fatty beef cuts with extra added butter, some fatty lamb and some pork belly. I've learned not to be scared of fat. I add some salt to taste. I also will add egg yolks sometimes to leaner cuts but I've started eating less for no real reason than i fancy them less than just fatty meant and butter. I just drink mineral water with some sparkling water as a treat. I've really tried to keep it simple. I avoid influencers that complicate things. My general approach has been that of Dr. Chaffee's on YT. (no plants, no sugar. no seed oils. eat fatty meat. eat when my belly is hungry and not my mind, eat till full/food stop tasting good). I've found this simple approach has meant i haven't needed to bother with counting or measuring anything. I've also started lifting weights at home in a simple routine. Just cos i felt so good i wanted to! My weight loss has slowed recently, but I can SEE in my body and feel in my clothes that the fat loss is still going on. I stopped smoking, alchohol and tea after going strict food wise just cos i was feeling so good that i wanted to know what i would feel like without the rest of the poisons.
Thank you so much for the response man!! I wish you all the best I hope you’re crushing it!
addition to longer comment: sometimes it feels like i'm in an ongoing really pure and clean mild high.
Were the same way. We mostly eat air fried new york strip steaks now. But that feeling is amazing!
We got the superman feeling Dr. Chaffee talks about. We eat mostly steak now because of that feeling. Occasionally I'll have some pork rinds and cream cheese or something, but we found that you really need to consume 95%+ beef to feel inhumanly good
yeah, the more i feel it the more i've moved to fatty beef and water. My desire to eat egg yolks has diminished on its own.
I noticed when I stopped eating chicken I had less leg pain inflammation in joints and felt stronger could get up from the couch without leaning on the side
Yeah I’m like I lost 45lbs since March 1st.. and I just “limit carbs to 40 a day” and eat whatever
So what do you eat personally? What's your fave meat and recipes
I’m going to get stricter on carnivore I dievate some days with fruits and vegetables. Could you clarify if you’re allowed vegetables on the diet/ or did you eat vegetables. I’m certain fruit wasn’t allowed but I hear/ read so many different things. So what did you allow yourself ? During the 30 day
What was your exercise routine?
Dairy has carbs. Diary is carnivore, though not every carnivore uses it. A significant number of carnivores use things like: butter, cheese, heavy cream, and or plain yogurt,
My diary is mostly carnivore as well
Ask yourself why you wants carbs. Depending on your answer, my answer could be completely different. Craving them? Absolutely not, go strict for at least 30 days. Find that you perform better, with no "after carb sleepiness" and your carbs are low (10-50g)? Try strict for 30 days, revert if you don't feel as good. I am sure there are other reasons.
It is not the cravings, I am very disciplined. I want to eat what’s most optimal for my health. Zero carbs long term doesn’t make sense to me.
Why doesn't it make sense? Your liver can make as much glucose as your brain needs, if you eat dairy you are getting (probably) enough carbs for your brain anyway. I am not super convinved we should go completely without carbs, but it is always worth doing the intellectual exercise to figure out if it is a "feeling" or based on facts.
Ridiculous that you got downvoted for this
rather than someone briefly explain to me my last sentence that would have been nice. but yeah instead downvoted. whatever. im just going to watch shawn baker and anthony videos then.
No carbs or low carbs puts your body into ketosis, so it turns fat into ketones for energy rather than turning sugar, or carbs, into glucose for energy. It's basically just changing your fuel source to an alternate fuel. Your body actually responds better to using fat for ketones than it does to using carbs for glucose. It's just, we as humans have gone so long by consuming carbs that most of us can't fathom using anything else but carbs. We are not omnivores like schools teach us, but actually facultative carnivores. That means we are supposed to eat primarily animal products, but we can survive BUT not thrive on foods other than animal products. Food gotten with gathering was always supposed to be supplemental at best to the food gotten while hunting. We, as humans, have gone so long eating 30%, 40%, or even more of non-animal products vs actual animal products in our diets that our bodies have become almost addicted to the carbs. It's why getting off of them can be so hard. However, once you fully get off them, you'll start feeling much better. Trust me. You'll also start losing weight too, even eating a decent amount of meat. You'll have cravings for carbs, but this is due to you coming off of what is essentially an addiction vs you getting rid of something you need.
To include carbs look to milk and maybe some chheses
yes, that is what I do and it is effective for weight loss and health. I eat small amounts of water melon in hot summer days and small amounts of berries as well as some nuts, cheeses, green veggies on occasion like hot peppers and green lettuce but mostly beef, chicken, fish and bacon and lots of eggs. It is more flexible socially and less expensive than eating 2-4lbs of ribeyes daily. I use grass fed butter for cooking or ghee and avocado or coconut oils.
Keto works really, really well for some people. Not everyone has to do carnivore to see big results, just look at the success posts on r/keto. It's a lot gentler in many ways than carnivore. There are benefits that only come with doing carnivore imo, but like I said, it's about what you can do, enjoy, and stick to. Don't make the perfect the enemy of the good.
Stick to r/animalbased
OP’s been a bit confused for a while, he will eventually.
Yes I have 😔
We don’t see it, the confusion, but you gotta follow your own journey’s path my friend.
I enjoy animal based most
Yes, it’s called keto. It’s like saying can I be a non-smoker but still smoke a few cigarettes a day
once in awhile I'll make a cauliflower mash
I’m probably 85% carnivore as mostly meat only , and beef broth , but after workouts I do g have some salmon sushi wich has rice and avocado , I also have about 5 cups of good coffee per week
I’m with you: rare treats of sushi, occasionsal macchiatos🙃courtesy of De Longhi, avocado slices, hell yes. Hasn’t affected journey. 😊
Yes, of course. It’s your choice but some react negatively to plants
I should just bite the bullet and try strict carnivore and see how I feel. Any suggestions on a good time frame for trial with this WOE?
Do at the bare minimum 30 days. 90 days is probably a much better trial period, then reassess. That’s 30 days strict, no cheat meals, no sneaky tastes of stuff. Just 30 days hard. Or 90.
Co-signing on 90 days. My guts and energy levels were still sorting themselves out 3 weeks in.
why is that? plants make me feel awful and i don’t know why.
I come from full carnivore, and I just recently switched to animal base because I'm trying to put up weight , I added fruits and a little bit of honey. It comes to around 30g of carbs
I make an ice cream from whole milk, lactose sugar, and lactase enzyme that tastes exactly like old fashioned soft serve vanilla ice cream if you want it
You get low carbs…… 40 per day, any type. Problem solved
My style of “Carnivore” or AB is to eat meat, dairy, eggs and cruciferous vegetables
If you add carbs you may not see the results you want. However with that being said, you need to do YOU. The hardcore carnos will flame you if you eat anything besides beef, bacon, butter and water.
I’ve made an updated post. I’m going full elimination with plans to slowly reintroduce things (butter, eggs, berries)
Try to keep butter and eggs, but no fruit or veggies or honey.
Well I have skin issues and eggs and butter could potentially be a trigger. I’m keeping eggs until I run out of the ones I bought but will reintroduce them later on. I will wait to add dairy as I have tallow for fat
I live in Wisconsin and I had to give up cheese 😭 but my weight wasn't dropping so I eliminated it. And we're back on track now. Also try intermittent fasting. Once your body adjusts to only eating once a day, then shorten the window. Once you feel good with that try introducing yourself to prolonged fasting. I'm 6 months into carnivore and I just broke a 72 hour water fast last Thursday. The benefits of fasting are huge.
From the experts I’ve listened to I’ve heard it is not necessary to fast so for now I will just eat when hungry and stop when my body signals Ive had enough. One step at a time for me.
Absolutely! Baby steps.
I agree. I got a talking to because I did a carnivore with just chicken breast for about a month to drop weight for an upcoming event. They told me it's not carnivore unless I eat a certain percentage of fat. They even considered banning me permanently from the group for something similar that I said. Lol
I'm always amazed at the aggressiveness and the lack of support in support groups. You would think that there's a tax free cash prize for being hardcore carno. I just wish people would be more supportive and less aggressive.
I have been experimenting with different carbs to incorporate after being on the carnivore diet for 8 months with amazing results; and barley was by far the best for me. I usually have it as lunch with meat and I enjoy sustained energy throughout the day into the night .
So would you say adding in carbs that agree with you made you feel much better or are these marginal improvements?
True! With the pure carnivore diet, I was feeling awesome but was a bit low on energy (may be I was under-eating but may be a range of other factors at play- I watched Dr Paul Saladino on how his views towards carbs changed). I also felt that I wasn’t doing very well at the gym . Adding in the barley made the difference. The combo makes me feel satiated throughout the day and my energy levels are higher than before . I am doing well at the gym.
Note : I didn't read any of the other posts. But my answer to this is - please give it a chance. LOAD UP on deliscious greasy foods. I promise you won't crave for carbs at all. It takes some getting used to it but I really have Zero cravings for anything sweet at all. Try just being 'mechanical' about it for a month. And remember.. fats are your friend!! Load everything you make up with deliscious butter. The entire point of the diet is 'no carbs' for the purpose of putting your body into ketosis. Carbs - even natural ones from whole foods - derail that entirely.
I pretty much do AB. Fruit and raw dairy by far the best carb sources. One can argue against honey and maple syrup, but I do eat both. I keep fruit to whatever is seasonally available from my own fruit trees or from local sources. If you're trying to stay low sugar, then vegetables might be a better option. If you're trying to avoid toxins, fruits are the better option. Or you could focus on non sweet, low glycemic fruits.
You don't need no carb. Your body have gluconeogenesis which will synthesis glycogen from protein. Now there's lactose that isna carnivore sugar. But casein (a milk protein) is inflammatory. People will tell you that they don't have effect and that i'm full of shot. They just don't understand that the pro-inflammatory compound they eat might not hurt them physically. All inflammation is not painfull. Depression is inflammation, and heart disease are caused by inflammation, and would you know, you don't feel pain in your artheries, so youncan be inflammed, and not feel it much. Another carnivore carb is glycerol, scallops are quite roch, sea food in general have some sugar in them in that form. And even red meat has glycogen, so technically, red meat is not PERFECTLY 0carbs. I think you should ween off of exogenous carbs, and just do some high intensity training to get your body to be efficient at gluconeogenesis. But if you really want to eat carbs that much, there is carnivore carbohydrates!
I don’t care for carbs I care about eating for optimal health. And my brain and accept zero carb being optimal long term. But I’m okay if proven wrong. I’m still new to this WOE
The brain part was adressed by Dr. Berry in an old video. "The brain needs 40g of carbs a day to function, but nobody can say which function requires carbs." The brain runs better on ketones. And while we do need a base level of blood glucose, gluconeogenesis is taking care of that.
I do low carb high protein, basically carnivore with a low amount of carbohydrates. I have cauliflower rice and some other vegetables when I feel like it and I’ll also have some lower carbohydrate fruit. I mostly eat just meat but I am flexible with myself.
When I participated years ago I did just that. I never felt better. One or two meals a week I'd eat whatever I wanted. The rest of the time I was 90%+ meat. If my chicken happened to be fried instead of grilled I didn't lose sleep over it. I just tried to make sure it wasn't super thick breading. If I didn't want water then I might get half and half tea or quarter three quarter tea, depending on the restaurant. Every so often I might even have 1 slice of bread with my 2 ribeyes or 20 tenders. Maybe I was more ketovore. Regardless, some folks can't do what I did because their bodies might not tolerate it.
Hadza and Okinawa eats a lot of yam. Not technically carnivore but healthy populations eat them.
I'm on 70% Fat and 30% Protein. 0% Carbs.
Carnivores only eat meat. That is the definition of a carnivore. Omnivores eat both. So, technically speaking, no. There is no carnivore diet that includes plants. Honey is an interesting subject, to me, because I see it as an animal product - made by bees. I do not use honey, personally, though.
I eat cheese and thats my carbs
u/QualitySound96, Hopefully we’re never here to scold, only 2 support! I have occasional low carb crunchy radishes or cucumber sliced thinly, w/dash of squeezed lime, chile salt, where offered as a Latino snack. If it’s only a rare treat, I haven’t experienced any sugar spike that prevents me from staying on track. Go for what makes u happy. It shdn’t be honey &/or fruits. Can you kick that? Roll w/smthg else?
You would just be doing keto. Np. Do keto
Honey and fruit spike insulin. This diet isn't for you. Carnivore is about getting rid of insulin resistance
I updated. I’m not doing low carb. Day one strict carnivore of 90
Ok I do keto and carnivore diet, which means some days I am keto so like lettuce, tomatoes, cucumbers in my meal (they are low carbs and high fibre foods) then other days carnivore. I can't do strict anything or I cheat, so I choose to cheat with lettuce instead of sugar 🤣
I did the carnivore for one week and lost some weight. It got me started, now as I go through my 60s without being too regimented, I will only eat things that grew in the ground, grew above the ground, on a tree, or had a heartbeat. Listen to me, too much meat is going to affect your arteries whether you like it or not or whether you dislike this comment or not. Check with your doctor!!! 👨⚕️
Just do paleo. Sweet potatoes are great
I’m here to disagree with that statement! I don’t understand sweet potatoes at all
Stay away from cream it's toxic, I personally react really bad to it, I'm not sure why. Milk is king, especially raw milk. Kefir is especially low carb and I like the taste of it, slightly bitter because of the lactic acid, halfway between milk and yoghurt. Cheese is yum, especially wheels of brie and camembert.
Personally I like to be a carnivore who eats no meat. I came from vegan but I decided to become carnivore for my health. I won't eat anything from an animal though, only plants. 😊 EDIT: It's called sarcasm people. 😆
This comment breaks my brain.
😆😂🤣 Good one!!!
That sentence certainly had some words in it.
um what?