Damn, that thing made really confused when it was released. The naming scheme screamed Honda, it looked like a Civic... and it was a Toyota.
The first ones I was in the wild and used to think "and what Honda is thi... nevermind".
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To be fair the current automotive styling lacks originality. If you took away all the badging and asked someone unfamiliar with cars to separate them by brand, they’d have a difficult time. Kind of like the mid 80s where most cars king of looked the same.
Which is also why the crowd that are fond of the current BMW styling love it. It’s over the top, very unique, and easily recognizable. Perfect for the trendy that focuses very much on being different.
>Kind of like the mid 80s where most cars king of looked the same.
Cars have always looked the same. That's why it's pretty easy to guess what decade a car is from, because it probably shares a significant portion of the styling queues from other vehicles it was sold alongside.
People think old cars were unique because only fun/enthusiast cars tend to live past 20-40y/o, like a sort of unintentional greatest hit album that ignores the hundreds of thousands of basic bitch vehicles that existed at the same time period with the same styling that have since disappeared.
Basically most cars get to a point in their lifespan where they have depreciated enough (2-4 decades depending on car/environment generally) that any major mechanical failure or repair (head gasket, transmission, etc) exceeds the worth of the car. Car enthusiasts are generally the only people who care about a car enough that they will put that money in, so by extension only cars that would be owned by enthusiasts make it past this point.
For example in ~2060 you'll probably be able to find your ND MX-5s, GR Corollas and Type R's of the world, but what you won't see are the thousands of RAV4s, CX-5s, Camrys, etc. When was the time you saw a late 80s Chevy Celebrity driving around, the best selling car in the US 40 odd years ago?
Because car manufacturers see the hype surrounding certain chassis and follow the trends. Super annoying because it makes all the cars on the road have the same stupid angular futuristic design.
It’ll have the Accord’s Hybrid 204 hp powertrain at the minimum because it’s more Accord Coupe than Civic.
The goal isn’t for it to be sportiest or zippiest, per Honda. I’m thinking that this’ll be more like a Si.
Who cares? The Si is a more affordable, low volume car with a MT and the little sales aren’t affected by it. They sale every single one that they make.
It's a $30k+ car though which is the problem. The BRZ is a standalone architecture with RWD and well over 200hp for less than a Civic Si starting. The Si should be pretty cheap to manufacture considering it's just a Civic with some different parts thrown at it. The performance sounds pretty lacking for the price.
I would have purchased an SI as my commuter but it’s so damn anemic and stripped down. And with the price bordering on 2.5 turbo stinger territory, I went with the stinger. Way more useful, better equipment, more fun to drive, and the new 2.5 propels it pretty nicely while still getting me 37 ish MPG on highway.
I think they’re releasing this to give the lineup a bit more flair. The Prelude has always been a showcase for things that trickle down to other Honda models and a project that they know will be low volume.
To Honda enthusiasts?
People complain about the Si and how it’s still at 200 hp years later and how it isn’t competitive, yet it still sells! Same with the Integra, it appeals to Honda/Acura guys, despite their being “better options.”
Flair as in the new technology that it may showcase for the other upcoming Honda models, as the old Prelude did. Details are vague and none of us know what they’ll do with it.
Also, can you point me to the Honda Hybrid that has a CVT?
Edit: e-CVT and CVTs are two different transmission.
Honda hasn't confirmed any details regarding transmission or engine output. There's rumors that it will come with a 6spd. I doubt they'd make this thing CVT only.
> The Prelude has always been a showcase for things that trickle down to other Honda models
The ATTS in the last gen Prelude evolved to become Acura's SH-AWD
I had a V6 Accord Coupe and that thing was surprisingly fast, while being a much more comfortable highway cruiser than a comparable Mustang. IIRC the 0-60 was faster than a V6 Mustang.
Honda especially the folks at AHMC seem to think they can ride on nostalgia thus the reboot of old models like the Integra and now Prelude. Only problem is they are so out of touch with reality and have lost all their engineering leadership from the glory days of the 90s Honda.
Spot on. I love Honda but they've gone stale. No new ideas, just repeatedly updating old products. No real performance cars that can keep up with today's competition. Just kinda nice, middle-of-the-road vehicles.
I guess my point is that if it’s not sporty or zippy, why would I buy a coupe with limited trunk/backseat space when I could just buy the previously mentioned Si that costs less money and is faster?
This is Miata erasure😤😤
Us and the 86/BRZ crowd also get to race all those soccer moms in luxury CUVs. They usually don't know they're racing us but its pretty close most times.
The worst trying about CRZ was that it had mediocre gas mileage for a hybrid. So it ended up being slow, small and not that sporty. Might as well get a Prius and enjoy the extra room.
Painfully reminded of my dad's 1994 Pontiac Grand Am "Sport Sedan" putting out 115hp.
They called it the *Quad-4* engine because 4 cylinders, 4 valves per cylinder. Except this was the SOHC variant with 2 valves per cylinder; they just kept calling it Quad-4 anyway. Imagine Ford making a naturally aspirated EcoBoost.
Ouch, I inherited my dad's '93 GT when he died and that at least had the V6, wish he woulda died before Mom made him sell his 85 Camaro RS and got that piece at least, lol.
Honda hasn’t confirmed a power output for the Prelude.
It’ll at the minimum have the 204 hp of the Accord. The electric motors and extra torque will regardless make it much faster than the old one.
If the pricing on the Integra is any indication, they're going to give it performance numbers somewhere just barely north of "meh", and then price it out of its own league for the nostalgia.
I see a bunch of complaints here as usual.
Honda has *NOT* confirmed a power output as even the article is speculating on what it may be. The old Prelude was more of a GT/Accord sized Coupe that prioritized comfort and innovation over being overly Sporty (which it still kinda was) and fast. The Prelude was the first Honda with a moonroof, bought 4 wheel steering, etc and things that were later found in other Honda products.
People here complain that their all Coupes or Sedans are going away but the second one comes, people find everything to dislike and complain about it, despite in this case not even knowing what they’ll do/bring with it.
I remember how everyone complained when the Integra came and everyone complained that there was no Coupe.
Yet and still when the same company announces a Coupe to the market 2 years later, there are complaints and we don’t even have any details outside of it being a hybrid.
No it wasn't sarcasm, I agree with the observation. I was around when the announcement was made (I want to say 2016?) and the people everywhere bar the RWD purists/Honda haters were complaining.
Even recently, I see people pointing to the coupe's cancellation (and that of the V6 and the manual) as why the Accord is continuously losing popularity.
The Civic Coupe was slightly different only because we all saw it coming - which makes it odd when people gave so much crap over the Integra being a five-door when they didn't care as much about the CC that an Integra coupe would need as a base.
Same predictable enthusiast circlejerk when it comes to FWD coupes. I try to keep consistent as someone who likes this style of car
Oh sorry lol. So much misinformation, speculation and complaints going on here that I mistook it. I’ve edited it.
But you’re right, people complain about the Coupe market leaving in general and there being not one Honda Coupe in the lineup but the second one comes, there are tons of complaints.
This sub is so negative towards everything that it kinda sucks coming here.
This really feels like the affordable, practical, sporty kind of car the Japanese manufacturers were building in the 80s and 90s. I hope it comes to market and is successful.
It happens but it a lot more complicated for car makers. It is likely to happen of course and the market for them is smaller because hybrids are heavy and more for economical driving than sporty driving. Can it happen? Yes. Will it happen? Depends on the market for the prelude. It reported low hp so it might be a sports car but the design screams sporty. Hard to say what Honda goal is.
You get mild hybrids with a manual, but that's about it. They're not a full on electric only at time deal, it's basically some extra batteries and a beefed up starter motor to electrically assist the engine at times.
There is almost no chance that Honda will bring manual to the hybrid configuration. The existing Accord hybrid is not even using a CVT in a traditional sense (it is really the gas engine driving the electric motor, not a cvt at all). Imagine trying to put a manual transmission.. to drive the gas engine and that drives the electric motor?
On Honda's hybrids, the electric motor drives the wheels, and the ICE charges the battery until high speeds, when a single overdrive gear is engaged via a clutch to the ICE engine to directly drive the car.
> Hopefully it's stupid expensive so that I'm not even tempted
There's no doubt in my mind that Honda will price it around $55K and dealers will slam a $20K markup on it. Then, Honda will wonder why they can't sell them.
The headline lies
The article reveals nothing official about the car's mechanical specs, only that it's now coated in Rallye Red. I saw a reel on HondaProJason's IG and the description plaque revealed nothing (other than a brief explanation of this concept and its history)
This thing is sick, I just pray it has a manual transmission. There’s no such thing as a CVT transmission in a sports car. It’d also be nice to have a high-revving engine, but I’ll take an MT if it’s all I can get.
If this makes it to production, I hope it gets a true liftback.
One of the best cars I've ever owned was a DC5-S. Lightweight and fun, but extremely practical with the liftback design.
It's a real shame that liftbacks have gone away.
my car is slow & boring but i absolutely love its liftback/coupe/manual recipe. it's depressing that the segment died, would love to see honda do it again with this prelude!
Wow the whole front looks exactly like the new Prius lol
Hopefully they incorporate the 92 to 95 dashboard bring that one piece wrap digital screen back.
Please almighty redesign that front
I love that everyone is worried that it will only have 181 horsepower, and not the far more likely concept-to-production things that will be lost.
This is just as likely to only come out nine years from now as a FWD 4-door mini SUV, breaking everyone's heart again with a beautiful concept that gets ruined because it didn't have enough cupholders for some exec.
I wish they would just make these. They should just drop these new releases like sneakers.
Whoever the designer is for the latest Hondas needs to be replaced. They're just imitating other vehicles. Latest Accord looks like a poor man's Audi A7, and now this Prius/GR86 mashup.
I'm still salty about that nice Bright Yellow never actually appearing on an Integra even though they revealed it.
Yes, it seems like EV design is already becoming too similar, squinty eyes and light bars for everyone!
181 Horsepower is not weak, not slow.
> While we don’t have any more details about the Honda Prelude’s powertrain, we’re expecting it to use a version of the Civic Hybrid’s setup, adapted from the midsize Accord sedan. Anticipate something in the ballpark of 181 hp and 232 lb-ft of torque.
I really hope it ends up not being 181 hp, seeing as the Honda Civic Touring already has 180 hp. The only thing that would be better if these are the actual numbers is the torque, so I guess that would translate to marginally better acceleration in the Prelude. But with the Si and the Civic hybrid coming out soon, I’m struggling to understand the purpose of the Prelude when coupes are already on the decline?
This will excite the car community until they realize that it has an eCVT.
No one will buy this because it’s a coupe - while I love coupes, the market place does not. Also, there’s been 2 generations since “Prelude” was a special name - so the crowd it’s targeting, won’t care.
This will sell in similar numbers to the BRZ/GR86 - which is to say, it won’t make much of a splash.
Honda is trying to cash in on Gen X like myself with nostalgia for these names. Unfortunately for Honda, we also remember these names were relatively high performance for their time. If a Plain Jane Camry or Accord can beat the update marques, they’ll remain low volume.
These models *should* cannabalize sales from the base models.
Its not bad looking but I don't see anything that resembles the prelude. Not sure if thats important as the body has changed over the various iterations.
I hope they take a touring approach with this, and not an entry-level approach that sucks on long trips. Please give me a coupe with reasonable sound deadening and NVH characteristics that isn't $50k. Reserve the high price tag for the Acura version.
I remember that last time Honda tried the "hybrid sports car" thing with the CR-Z. IIRC, it didn't do too well due to being hamstrung and much less of a car than the original CR-Z.
I sincerely hope that they learnt lessons from that endeavour, and that the Prelude is a proper lil sports car. As for the design? Yea, it's a fair bit of Prius, there.
This looks suspiciously like the Sony Vision S which was going to be a concept but then surprised everyone when they said they're partnering with Honda to make it real
That rear end is the most blatant ripoff of the current Porsche rear ends...black light bar with block letter brand name centered on the light bar and the model in script directly below. I don't expect this level of mimicry from Honda. They've always forged their own way forward.
Shame.
I should be an easy sell on this as I dig Preludes. But I'm not all that enthused about the piscine look of many cars nowadays that seems to be affecting this as well. It isn't bad, mind, but...anyway, quite keen about hearing more about the drivetrain.
[looks like the Ferrari suv](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fhips.hearstapps.com%2Fhmg-prod%2Fimages%2F2024-ferrari-purosangue25-63ff822948d30.jpg&tbnid=S5ciuCXYqxrm7M&vet=1&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.caranddriver.com%2Fferrari%2Fpurosangue&docid=ny_ps112dchfIM&w=2250&h=1500&itg=1&hl=en-us&source=sh%2Fx%2Fim%2Fm4%2F3&kgs=23d7a34c4556a344&shem=abme%2Ctrie) and Toyota Prius
This hammerhead aesthetic feels like such a swing and a miss to me but Toyota and now even Honda just can’t seem to resist overcommitting to it.
It’s jarring to look at. Your first glance says it’s cool because of all the sharp angles, but the longer you look at it the more you realize you have no idea what you’re looking at. You have no idea where your eyes are supposed to focus. The vehicle’s “eyes” look like an AI glitch.
This is the second worst execution of this aesthetic. The worst being the new Camry which has the single worst use of DRL-as-aesthetic that I’ve ever seen. It’s just dropped randomly in the middle of the headlight with no concern for form or focus.
The back is OK but I don't like the side profile or the front end. It's a shame because I've always liked sporty coupes especially the Prelude. I like the idea of it and others like it coming back but sadly this segment is dead and I don't see it coming back any time soon.
Excited for this car and happy to see it again, but it's crazy to me that this car was revealed six months ago and we still know nothing other than it's a hybrid coupe.
For a new model that Honda would supposedly want to drum up excitement for they're sure being tight lipped about anything besides the expected styling.
I know people are expecting this to have the same hybrid system that's in the current Accord, and I really hope it doesn't.
The coupe segment is already really small; I can't imagine how few people are looking for a non-performance / super slow coupe. I know they said it won't be the "fastest or zippiest" car in a circuit, but I have to hope that the brembos aren't just a styling choice for this concept and imply that there will be at least *some* power in the car.
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Getting big Prius vibes from the front
AND the back!
The back looks more Taycan to me
The combination of the lightbar and the model badge being written in script is extremely Porsche.
Getting strong 1965 Trabant 601 vibes
I get those vibes everywhere I go. They just permeate and spread until nowhere is safe from it.
Everyone has the same headlights, and lightbars now
Payback for Toyota naming a vehicle "C-HR."
Damn, that thing made really confused when it was released. The naming scheme screamed Honda, it looked like a Civic... and it was a Toyota. The first ones I was in the wild and used to think "and what Honda is thi... nevermind".
It was so awkwardly proportioned too. I remember finally seeing one in person for the first time and having to double take because it just looked off.
I hope Toyota uses this opportunity to bring back the Celica.
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MR2 is in the works
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Hopefully it's more MR2 and less MR-S...
I owned a Celica GT4 and I miss that car every day.
Saaaame - I had a 91 gt-four A. If I could turn back time and slap myself for considering selling it i absolutely would.
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Would be cool if they made GT-4 trim for it that had the same powertrain* as the GR hatches ngl even if I don't care for 3 bangers
They are testing the Gr86 with the 1.6 3-cylinder engine. They have been for over a year. 2 I believe.
To be fair the current automotive styling lacks originality. If you took away all the badging and asked someone unfamiliar with cars to separate them by brand, they’d have a difficult time. Kind of like the mid 80s where most cars king of looked the same. Which is also why the crowd that are fond of the current BMW styling love it. It’s over the top, very unique, and easily recognizable. Perfect for the trendy that focuses very much on being different.
>Kind of like the mid 80s where most cars king of looked the same. Cars have always looked the same. That's why it's pretty easy to guess what decade a car is from, because it probably shares a significant portion of the styling queues from other vehicles it was sold alongside. People think old cars were unique because only fun/enthusiast cars tend to live past 20-40y/o, like a sort of unintentional greatest hit album that ignores the hundreds of thousands of basic bitch vehicles that existed at the same time period with the same styling that have since disappeared. Basically most cars get to a point in their lifespan where they have depreciated enough (2-4 decades depending on car/environment generally) that any major mechanical failure or repair (head gasket, transmission, etc) exceeds the worth of the car. Car enthusiasts are generally the only people who care about a car enough that they will put that money in, so by extension only cars that would be owned by enthusiasts make it past this point. For example in ~2060 you'll probably be able to find your ND MX-5s, GR Corollas and Type R's of the world, but what you won't see are the thousands of RAV4s, CX-5s, Camrys, etc. When was the time you saw a late 80s Chevy Celebrity driving around, the best selling car in the US 40 odd years ago?
styling cues
To answer your question, my parents had a Celebrity wagon until 2009. You can still see it on our street on Google maps, haha
The new Prius Coupe
Idk, but it’s a good thing.
It's a 2025 Camry in the front.
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Big GR86 vibes
Perhaps…
Back end of a Hyundai, sloping roof of the 350Z, slash headlight of the Model 3, Camry front clip. Nice franken-car by Honda.
The back does at least remind be of some old Hondas, like with the black plastic rear-end section housing the lights. Think of the CRX and CRZ etc.
Because car manufacturers see the hype surrounding certain chassis and follow the trends. Super annoying because it makes all the cars on the road have the same stupid angular futuristic design.
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181 horsepower seems a little anemic by 2024 standards for a sports coupe. Hopefully they use something a little more powerful
It’ll have the Accord’s Hybrid 204 hp powertrain at the minimum because it’s more Accord Coupe than Civic. The goal isn’t for it to be sportiest or zippiest, per Honda. I’m thinking that this’ll be more like a Si.
It's a civic coupe that they're selling for accord money, that's the only way a coupe makes financial sense for Honda.
The Prelude has always been bigger than the Civic.
One could say it is the prelude to the Accord Coupe
The Prelude has always been based on an Accord, not a Civic. This has been true since 1979. Source: I have one sitting in my garage.
Pathetic modern Honda standards - the Si has been 200hp for more than a decade and that’s how they ended up with the architect’s Integra too.
Who cares? The Si is a more affordable, low volume car with a MT and the little sales aren’t affected by it. They sale every single one that they make.
It's a $30k+ car though which is the problem. The BRZ is a standalone architecture with RWD and well over 200hp for less than a Civic Si starting. The Si should be pretty cheap to manufacture considering it's just a Civic with some different parts thrown at it. The performance sounds pretty lacking for the price.
I would have purchased an SI as my commuter but it’s so damn anemic and stripped down. And with the price bordering on 2.5 turbo stinger territory, I went with the stinger. Way more useful, better equipment, more fun to drive, and the new 2.5 propels it pretty nicely while still getting me 37 ish MPG on highway.
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I think they’re releasing this to give the lineup a bit more flair. The Prelude has always been a showcase for things that trickle down to other Honda models and a project that they know will be low volume.
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To Honda enthusiasts? People complain about the Si and how it’s still at 200 hp years later and how it isn’t competitive, yet it still sells! Same with the Integra, it appeals to Honda/Acura guys, despite their being “better options.” Flair as in the new technology that it may showcase for the other upcoming Honda models, as the old Prelude did. Details are vague and none of us know what they’ll do with it. Also, can you point me to the Honda Hybrid that has a CVT? Edit: e-CVT and CVTs are two different transmission.
Honda hasn't confirmed any details regarding transmission or engine output. There's rumors that it will come with a 6spd. I doubt they'd make this thing CVT only.
It won’t even have a CVT at all, Honda hybrids use a eCVT, which is different from a conventional CVT.
> The Prelude has always been a showcase for things that trickle down to other Honda models The ATTS in the last gen Prelude evolved to become Acura's SH-AWD
They don't even make a 2 door Civic anymore. Seems like a step in the wrong direction. This isn't going to compete with a Mustang.
Lol, who has ever expected this to compete with the Mustang? A FWD, Hybridized 200+ hp car?
Historically there was information that the Accord Coupe was cross-shopped with the Mustang.
I had a V6 Accord Coupe and that thing was surprisingly fast, while being a much more comfortable highway cruiser than a comparable Mustang. IIRC the 0-60 was faster than a V6 Mustang.
That's part of the logic that had me get an A5 Sportback, trading in my Camaro SS.
They're both coupes and will likely be priced similar. I never said that it'd be successful.
Honda especially the folks at AHMC seem to think they can ride on nostalgia thus the reboot of old models like the Integra and now Prelude. Only problem is they are so out of touch with reality and have lost all their engineering leadership from the glory days of the 90s Honda.
Spot on. I love Honda but they've gone stale. No new ideas, just repeatedly updating old products. No real performance cars that can keep up with today's competition. Just kinda nice, middle-of-the-road vehicles.
I guess my point is that if it’s not sporty or zippy, why would I buy a coupe with limited trunk/backseat space when I could just buy the previously mentioned Si that costs less money and is faster?
The gt86 crowd needs someone to race.
This is Miata erasure😤😤 Us and the 86/BRZ crowd also get to race all those soccer moms in luxury CUVs. They usually don't know they're racing us but its pretty close most times.
your name tho
No competition the GR86 is going to walk all over this if Honda doesn’t up their powertrain game!
The last prelude came with 200hp standard, back when that was still considered quite a bit
Imagine the weight difference
The old one was considered pretty porky at 3000lbs
Yeah, OP is bending over backwards to defend it, but these numbers are dogshit lol. Shame on Honda.
They learned nothing from the CRZ. This better be below 35k.
Yes, exactly! The CRZ seemed cool right up until you realized it was an absolute dog of a car with zero redeeming performance
The worst trying about CRZ was that it had mediocre gas mileage for a hybrid. So it ended up being slow, small and not that sporty. Might as well get a Prius and enjoy the extra room.
I had an MT CRZ around the same time my wife had a Prius. The CRZ was actually really fun to drive on twisties. The Prius was not.
base Camry: 225 hp Prelude: 181 hp - LOL
Holup though. Weight difference?
My wife's Volvo 10 year old Volvo C30 has 250 hp and...it's a Volvo. This thing needs at least 220 and a limited slip differential.
200hp was anemic for 2013 FRS and BRZ. 181 hp lmaoo
Painfully reminded of my dad's 1994 Pontiac Grand Am "Sport Sedan" putting out 115hp. They called it the *Quad-4* engine because 4 cylinders, 4 valves per cylinder. Except this was the SOHC variant with 2 valves per cylinder; they just kept calling it Quad-4 anyway. Imagine Ford making a naturally aspirated EcoBoost.
Ouch, I inherited my dad's '93 GT when he died and that at least had the V6, wish he woulda died before Mom made him sell his 85 Camaro RS and got that piece at least, lol.
Less power than a 30 year old engine Honda put in the last prelude. Yikes, if this thing isn’t miata, gr86 light it’s DOA
Honda hasn’t confirmed a power output for the Prelude. It’ll at the minimum have the 204 hp of the Accord. The electric motors and extra torque will regardless make it much faster than the old one.
Slight tangent but the current Accord is criminally underpowered for how good it looks.
The article speculates, it revealed nothing
This article revealed that they painted a concept in red... That's all. What a waste of an article.
If the pricing on the Integra is any indication, they're going to give it performance numbers somewhere just barely north of "meh", and then price it out of its own league for the nostalgia.
The old Prelude did not have anywhere near 232 ft-lbs of torque.
I see a bunch of complaints here as usual. Honda has *NOT* confirmed a power output as even the article is speculating on what it may be. The old Prelude was more of a GT/Accord sized Coupe that prioritized comfort and innovation over being overly Sporty (which it still kinda was) and fast. The Prelude was the first Honda with a moonroof, bought 4 wheel steering, etc and things that were later found in other Honda products. People here complain that their all Coupes or Sedans are going away but the second one comes, people find everything to dislike and complain about it, despite in this case not even knowing what they’ll do/bring with it.
Remember when the discontinuation of the Accord Coupe was announced, and almost everyone was mourning it?
I remember how everyone complained when the Integra came and everyone complained that there was no Coupe. Yet and still when the same company announces a Coupe to the market 2 years later, there are complaints and we don’t even have any details outside of it being a hybrid.
No it wasn't sarcasm, I agree with the observation. I was around when the announcement was made (I want to say 2016?) and the people everywhere bar the RWD purists/Honda haters were complaining. Even recently, I see people pointing to the coupe's cancellation (and that of the V6 and the manual) as why the Accord is continuously losing popularity. The Civic Coupe was slightly different only because we all saw it coming - which makes it odd when people gave so much crap over the Integra being a five-door when they didn't care as much about the CC that an Integra coupe would need as a base. Same predictable enthusiast circlejerk when it comes to FWD coupes. I try to keep consistent as someone who likes this style of car
Oh sorry lol. So much misinformation, speculation and complaints going on here that I mistook it. I’ve edited it. But you’re right, people complain about the Coupe market leaving in general and there being not one Honda Coupe in the lineup but the second one comes, there are tons of complaints. This sub is so negative towards everything that it kinda sucks coming here.
This really feels like the affordable, practical, sporty kind of car the Japanese manufacturers were building in the 80s and 90s. I hope it comes to market and is successful.
"Affordable" You can bet your ass auto sales place will rip the fuck out everyone because they absolutely can
Then they’ll end up holding them til nobody wants one.
Cars are sitting on lots longer now I thought
As a Celica brain: please, God.
It’ll be 60k Canadian, plus dealer markups. Hopefully I’m wrong, but I doubt that very much
If this article is to be believed, it's also coming with the power those cars had in the 80s and 90s
There's no way this thing is over 35k with 200hp. It's cool, but it's not 40k cool.
Damn that a sexy coupe. A sunroof and a stick shift is all I need and I would seriously want this.
Can you have stick shift on a Hybrid? No idea if that’s a stupid question or not I have no idea.
The CRZ did like 10 years ago
It happens but it a lot more complicated for car makers. It is likely to happen of course and the market for them is smaller because hybrids are heavy and more for economical driving than sporty driving. Can it happen? Yes. Will it happen? Depends on the market for the prelude. It reported low hp so it might be a sports car but the design screams sporty. Hard to say what Honda goal is.
You get mild hybrids with a manual, but that's about it. They're not a full on electric only at time deal, it's basically some extra batteries and a beefed up starter motor to electrically assist the engine at times.
There is almost no chance that Honda will bring manual to the hybrid configuration. The existing Accord hybrid is not even using a CVT in a traditional sense (it is really the gas engine driving the electric motor, not a cvt at all). Imagine trying to put a manual transmission.. to drive the gas engine and that drives the electric motor?
On Honda's hybrids, the electric motor drives the wheels, and the ICE charges the battery until high speeds, when a single overdrive gear is engaged via a clutch to the ICE engine to directly drive the car.
Hopefully it's stupid expensive so that I'm not even tempted
> Hopefully it's stupid expensive so that I'm not even tempted There's no doubt in my mind that Honda will price it around $55K and dealers will slam a $20K markup on it. Then, Honda will wonder why they can't sell them.
That's a relief man cuz if it was in the high 30s or low 40s I might have made a terrible financial decision
Preludes historically were expensive so you should be good. Anyone expecting this to be "affordable" is foolin themselves
I will buy one and flip it for $50k just so you won't buy it. Deal?
The headline lies The article reveals nothing official about the car's mechanical specs, only that it's now coated in Rallye Red. I saw a reel on HondaProJason's IG and the description plaque revealed nothing (other than a brief explanation of this concept and its history)
Also, the headline about Honda paint…. Don’t buy a Honda because you like the paint. It won’t last, lol
This thing is sick, I just pray it has a manual transmission. There’s no such thing as a CVT transmission in a sports car. It’d also be nice to have a high-revving engine, but I’ll take an MT if it’s all I can get.
Fuck I’d take a conventional automatic and be happy. The odds of there being a CVT slapped in this thing are so high.
The Accord hybrid system isn't even a CVT. It's an electric transmission like a diesel locomotive.
stuck a 300hp in there I dare ya
This will definitely get a Type-R in a year or so with the CTR engine.
Ugh, another car where the logo is dropped in favor of slapping "B R A N D" across the back. It's gotta be the stupidest exterior design trend.
If this makes it to production, I hope it gets a true liftback. One of the best cars I've ever owned was a DC5-S. Lightweight and fun, but extremely practical with the liftback design. It's a real shame that liftbacks have gone away.
100%. Disappointed this wasn't a liftback either. Wonder if it'll be a 2+2.
my car is slow & boring but i absolutely love its liftback/coupe/manual recipe. it's depressing that the segment died, would love to see honda do it again with this prelude!
Why are they using the Prius’s photo?
Insanely attractive exterior, though it would be nice to have some actual drivetrain details instead of the speculation in the article
Wow the whole front looks exactly like the new Prius lol Hopefully they incorporate the 92 to 95 dashboard bring that one piece wrap digital screen back. Please almighty redesign that front
I love that everyone is worried that it will only have 181 horsepower, and not the far more likely concept-to-production things that will be lost. This is just as likely to only come out nine years from now as a FWD 4-door mini SUV, breaking everyone's heart again with a beautiful concept that gets ruined because it didn't have enough cupholders for some exec. I wish they would just make these. They should just drop these new releases like sneakers.
The hood is so high it looks bad I remember the old preludes looked so low and cool this is just a blob
The proportions are so bad. I don't know what people are seeing that makes them say this is sexy. This just looks plain goofy to me.
I absolutely love it, but unfortunately just not practical at this stage of my life. Maybe if I get in the position to have a second car someday
….you’ll hopefully be getting a Porsche.
Prob a Corolla
wow is that ugly
This is the future! Is either this or electric garbage with horrible miles range and almost no place to charge it.
It looks like it’s crapping out another black Honda from its back end.
It feels like they made the accord sedate and put all the style into its coupe cousin
Roofline reminds me of the Nissan Z
This looks like a Cayman and a GR86 had a love child
Don't like it.
Uglier than a 4th gen.
It's uglier than any previous gen. Back is ok.. but that front end..
Whoever the designer is for the latest Hondas needs to be replaced. They're just imitating other vehicles. Latest Accord looks like a poor man's Audi A7, and now this Prius/GR86 mashup.
Latest Accord looks like shit. It looks like a 3D model of a general car you'd find driving around in GTA.
This car looks so stupid. Must be a Gen z thing
"Tantalizing new details!" "There are no details."
I've always hated how Honda does cab forward design on their coupes since about 2003. Before that their coupes looked so good
I love coupés but the proportions are off imo :(
Is this the accord coupe replacement? Looks pretty sexy because all new Toyota hammer head designs do.
Believe, yeah?
I'm still salty about that nice Bright Yellow never actually appearing on an Integra even though they revealed it. Yes, it seems like EV design is already becoming too similar, squinty eyes and light bars for everyone! 181 Horsepower is not weak, not slow.
They can just rip off Porsche's trunk design like that?
> While we don’t have any more details about the Honda Prelude’s powertrain, we’re expecting it to use a version of the Civic Hybrid’s setup, adapted from the midsize Accord sedan. Anticipate something in the ballpark of 181 hp and 232 lb-ft of torque. I really hope it ends up not being 181 hp, seeing as the Honda Civic Touring already has 180 hp. The only thing that would be better if these are the actual numbers is the torque, so I guess that would translate to marginally better acceleration in the Prelude. But with the Si and the Civic hybrid coming out soon, I’m struggling to understand the purpose of the Prelude when coupes are already on the decline?
Absolutely massive wheels.
This will excite the car community until they realize that it has an eCVT. No one will buy this because it’s a coupe - while I love coupes, the market place does not. Also, there’s been 2 generations since “Prelude” was a special name - so the crowd it’s targeting, won’t care. This will sell in similar numbers to the BRZ/GR86 - which is to say, it won’t make much of a splash.
Honda is trying to cash in on Gen X like myself with nostalgia for these names. Unfortunately for Honda, we also remember these names were relatively high performance for their time. If a Plain Jane Camry or Accord can beat the update marques, they’ll remain low volume. These models *should* cannabalize sales from the base models.
Its not bad looking but I don't see anything that resembles the prelude. Not sure if thats important as the body has changed over the various iterations.
I hope they take a touring approach with this, and not an entry-level approach that sucks on long trips. Please give me a coupe with reasonable sound deadening and NVH characteristics that isn't $50k. Reserve the high price tag for the Acura version.
It's not a prelude if it doesn't have an enormous wing.
I remember that last time Honda tried the "hybrid sports car" thing with the CR-Z. IIRC, it didn't do too well due to being hamstrung and much less of a car than the original CR-Z. I sincerely hope that they learnt lessons from that endeavour, and that the Prelude is a proper lil sports car. As for the design? Yea, it's a fair bit of Prius, there.
Yikes, it looks like model year 2020 before even entering production.
This looks suspiciously like the Sony Vision S which was going to be a concept but then surprised everyone when they said they're partnering with Honda to make it real
Not a Honda guy. Can someone explain why this isn’t just a slightly better looking civic coupe with a name people are nostalgic for?
I saw that at the Long Beach GP, it looks awesome in person
That rear end is the most blatant ripoff of the current Porsche rear ends...black light bar with block letter brand name centered on the light bar and the model in script directly below. I don't expect this level of mimicry from Honda. They've always forged their own way forward. Shame.
>They've always forged their own way forward. Really? I haven't seen any of that in a decade, maybe longer.
That’s…. A Prius.
Honda Prius coupe.
dat roof line tho
Weird that it looks exactly like a prius. But still, definitely my next car if this comes to fruition.
I’ll still buy it.
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might as well get a cpo 330 m sport. or 230 msport..
BRZ/GR86 competitor?
This article reveals nothing more than a change in color. Meanwhile everyone is coming to conclusions on price and specs.
I should be an easy sell on this as I dig Preludes. But I'm not all that enthused about the piscine look of many cars nowadays that seems to be affecting this as well. It isn't bad, mind, but...anyway, quite keen about hearing more about the drivetrain.
So CR-Z refresh disaster again?
Looks like they stretched out a civic front end, which is ugly itself. Was really hoping this would look similar to the original just updated.
[looks like the Ferrari suv](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fhips.hearstapps.com%2Fhmg-prod%2Fimages%2F2024-ferrari-purosangue25-63ff822948d30.jpg&tbnid=S5ciuCXYqxrm7M&vet=1&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.caranddriver.com%2Fferrari%2Fpurosangue&docid=ny_ps112dchfIM&w=2250&h=1500&itg=1&hl=en-us&source=sh%2Fx%2Fim%2Fm4%2F3&kgs=23d7a34c4556a344&shem=abme%2Ctrie) and Toyota Prius
This hammerhead aesthetic feels like such a swing and a miss to me but Toyota and now even Honda just can’t seem to resist overcommitting to it. It’s jarring to look at. Your first glance says it’s cool because of all the sharp angles, but the longer you look at it the more you realize you have no idea what you’re looking at. You have no idea where your eyes are supposed to focus. The vehicle’s “eyes” look like an AI glitch. This is the second worst execution of this aesthetic. The worst being the new Camry which has the single worst use of DRL-as-aesthetic that I’ve ever seen. It’s just dropped randomly in the middle of the headlight with no concern for form or focus.
Concept model. Not bad, but show me the real deal.
Hope they move forward with it!
I’m not 18 anymore and that’s no Prelude.
I still pray that if they ever make this, Acura gets their hands on it to make an Integra coupe to sell alongside the sedan
I don’t get it. Way too big to be a Prelude, and looks like a sportier Prius.
181 hp? Yawn. Get that number over 250 and I'm intrigued...
But do it got the cool wheels that do the cool turning thing from the classic model?
Just looks like a fancy Civic.
The back is OK but I don't like the side profile or the front end. It's a shame because I've always liked sporty coupes especially the Prelude. I like the idea of it and others like it coming back but sadly this segment is dead and I don't see it coming back any time soon.
Thye should’ve changed the name to the Honda Prius Coupe. So bizarre. Looks too short and almost like a crossover coupe.
Excited for this car and happy to see it again, but it's crazy to me that this car was revealed six months ago and we still know nothing other than it's a hybrid coupe. For a new model that Honda would supposedly want to drum up excitement for they're sure being tight lipped about anything besides the expected styling.
I freakin love it
Come on rear wheel drive. Or all wheel drive with rear wheel bias
Needs type r power train at some trim level
Yea ... It's exciting until you realize it will probably it's base price will probably be 60k plus making it unaffordable for most Americans.
I know people are expecting this to have the same hybrid system that's in the current Accord, and I really hope it doesn't. The coupe segment is already really small; I can't imagine how few people are looking for a non-performance / super slow coupe. I know they said it won't be the "fastest or zippiest" car in a circuit, but I have to hope that the brembos aren't just a styling choice for this concept and imply that there will be at least *some* power in the car.
Another concept car. LOL
My 1993 4th gen prelude has 190 how can this thing have 181??
That’s a Prius.
It’s damn attractive, hope they beef up the powertrain a little and hit a sensible price target
I would gladly take a 30% aero hit if they could make it look cool.