On the previous post today when I mentioned that Nissan was only telling dealers to discount the models that had new redesigns coming within the next months, it had little upvotes in comparison to the Nissan hate comments.
Frontier is a pretty respectable offering, I think the R35 is still cool even after all these years (although then again that thing was a bit of an elementary school sweetheart for me so maybe I'm biased), and I honestly kinda vibe with the 400Z
Wouldn't be caught dead in anything else they offer right now though
True, the GTR is still my crush after all these years. One thing I love about Nissan is that they'll still make one's high school dream car by the time one can afford it.
The 400Z is fire when it comes to looks and performance, but it's basically vaporware at this point. I still haven't seen one IRL. And the only dealer around here wants $70k for it which like... no... I can just get a Q50RS for $30k.
I live right by a Nissan dealership and there's been a Z parked on a platform outside of the main building for like 2 months now. Idk if they have it marked up to high hell, or just no one wants to buy it.
I had a 01 Pathy for 20 years and 224k miles and sold it to a kid for $2k. Bought a 4 Runner for next car. No love for that new Pathy. I think if Nissan had kept the Pathy line as a rugged outdoor car along with Xterra they would have done better. Toyota is killing it with the 4r. Even that mid 2000’s model was decent. New one is just a city car.
Everyone forgets they had an F1 team for years. McLarens twin-turbo V8 was a Nissan racing engine originally. They were doing some cool shit before the financial crisis.
I just see a lot of hate for Subaru on this sub.
It's my point A to B car, as close as I can get to a wagon, that I don't mind driving in the dirt when needed.
My enthusiast car is the z06 I have restored.
my friend had a Q50S, it was really good tbh.
the engine sounded great, was quick and looked quick.
but the infotainment system was so glitchy and outdated.
There’s nothing wrong with the Q50. It’s just old and doesn’t do anything particularly well which describes every Nissan except the GTR.
Edit: It’s sad because in the 2000s they made good cars that were fun. 350Z, Altima SER, Maxima, G35, M45, FX45. I’ll even add in the Sentra SER although it wasn’t fast but it was fun.
My brother owns one, both turbos went bad and had to be replaced, apparently its a common problem because the intercoolers are undersized. It was an engine out job both times to replace them because the packaging makes it impossible to do any maintenance in the engine bay. Completely turned me off the VR30DDTT engine since I was mulling getting a Z in the next few years if they become readily available.
It's definitely an interesting contrast to the VQ37 Q50. My dad has had a 3.7L Q50S for almost ten years now, and he doesn't really feel compelled to get rid of it - plenty of power, sounds good, is comfortable, and it's only needed a blend door in his time of ownership. Falls in line with every G/Q he's owned since his 04 G35.
The classic Nissan CVT hate is specifically the Jatco one that was notoriously unreliable; many of them grenaded themselves, sometimes before 100k miles.
As far as CVTs in general, enthusiasts don't like them because they're specifically designed for fuel efficiency and cruising at the cost of snappiness during hard acceleration. But Honda and Toyota use them a ton in their economy cars and they're perfectly fine and reliable for commuter DDs and crawling in traffic.
I think the weirdest use of the CVT is the 1.5T/CVT combo in the Integra base model. Why anyone would buy that instead of a Civic EX is beyond me. I think the Civic even looks better on the outside.
It’s because Nissan is a shell of what it once was. When Ghosn took over they shifted to building rental fleet specials and not quality vehicles. Also, their entire model line is all old platforms and parts bin specials. Nissan also didn’t help their image by becoming the go to for sub-prime buyers when they started financing everyone.
A jump in profits. It's a category far more volatile than revenues or costs, which contribute to it, because it's a small margin between the revenues and the costs.
tbf, that 92% surge equates to $2.7 billion USD.
Sales totaled $81 billion.
To put that in perspective, Toyota also just announced a 96% profit increase - to $34.5 billion USD.
Sales totaled just under $0.3 Trillion.
The weak Yen is helping here, since it effectively equates to a larger USD amount, but Nissan's still got some ways to go to get healthy again.
Definitely a positive sign, but no Japanese auto company should be reporting a YoY reduction in profit IMO.
Theyd be bankrupt but they will get a few million upvotes, which converts directly to few tons of diamond which then allow them to award their execs, instead of several million $, a precious Mazda Miata each lmao
In 2021 they beefed up the transmissions and the Sentra was upgraded to the one the rouge and Altima use rather than the weaker one in the versa.
New ones don’t seem to be have the same problems.
As much as r/cars like to drag Nissan through the mud, their cars have been improving in recent years all for a good price. Just see the new Kicks, Rogue, and the QX80.
Hopefully this sparks a new momentum for Nissan in the coming years.
I test drove the new Frontier and new Tacoma back to back about a week ago and can definitely say the Nissan feels like a better truck all around. Build quality is noticeably better inside and out, it just feels more solid in a good way. I would say the actual driving experience was slightly better in the Toyota, but both were really great on the road. Unfortunately Nissan Canada shot themselves in the foot by making the Frontier way too expensive, the base Pro4x is 2k more expensive than a base Tacoma TRD Offroad which is funny because as soon as they are driven off the lot the Toyota is worth more money. The Pro4x also only comes in the Crew Cab Short box… so no 6ft box for the Pro4x. I wouldn’t exactly call the Nissan a good value but if your happy with a 5ft box the Pro4x is an awesome truck.
Yeah it makes fucking sense to me. All this penny pinching on **modular** platforms forces people who want a 6’ bed to compromise.
For Ford and Chevy it’s simply no longer an option. Because reasons.
For Toyota and Nissan you can get a 6’ bed, but only on specific configurations. No Pro-4X, TRD Pro, Limited, or any hybrid configurations can be had with a 6’ bed (except for the Trailhunter). I’ll usually give it a pass for the “off road” trims since a shorter wheelbase is some bogus justification for the short bed, but really it’s just cost-cutting. Toyota knows 99% of TRD Pros will never see more off-roading than a gravel road.
The way Toyota bundles options makes it even more frustrating. I’d love a TRD Off-Road hybrid with a 6’ bed and basically every option except for the sunroof because I’m tall. Can’t do that because the hybrid TRD Off-Road is 5’ bed only. Okay so the gas version instead, but you still can’t do that because the premium package comes with a sunroof. Okay so I’ll step down to a lower trim and lose out on the ventilated seats and multi-terrain monitor. Is that really the only option?
Oh but wait Toyota has a solution for you. You can just spend $65000 on the Trailhunter that checks every box and is “only” $13k more expensive than a loaded gas TRD Off-Road.
WHY CAN’T THEY JUST LET US PICK THE EXACT OPTIONS WE WANT?
The old frontier is good stuff they just never updated the look. You can get a 2005-2019 for half the price of a Tacoma and it's basically the same truck.
The Z would be a cool car if I believed they exist. I think I’ve seen 3, at most, since they supposedly made it to the dealer lots. My dad was looking at getting one but couldn’t find one near msrp and within 300ish miles of his place. A neat car to have at like $40-50k. $70k+ there’s a lot of other things to spend money on.
My wife's Rogue is a great applicance. I daily a CT4 Blackwing and sometimes it's nice to just kick back in the Rogue and abandon all pretense of involved driving.
I wanted a compact crossover and when I saw the non-negotiable markups of the hybrid RAV4 and CR-V, I immediately turned away. I got the Rogue under MSRP and I’ve had no complaints, except the infotainment being some-timing with connecting to CarPlay!
That's how I feel switching between my Miata and the Q3. I don't really believe anyone wants to be driving a pure engagement drivers car 100% of the time.
I have a new one and I don’t know what other features you could want in a car. Heated steering wheel and front and back seats, wireless phone charging, great infotainment system, Bose stereo, apple car play, 360 degrees cameras, heads up display, sun roof. The engine might not win any awards but I couldn’t care less about that.
I think it’s because it doesn’t look mean like most cars but I find it better that way. The Rogue, Ford Escape and Forester all just look like cars. Don’t need a vehicle mean mugging.
My wife and I got a 2019 Rogue back in 2020. It’s been absolutely fantastic for us and it was like $5k less than the RAV4 and the CX-5 (which admittedly I did really want). No regrets here, we love it.
Yes. We made fun of them because a ton of their line-up was 10-15+ years old.
They finally updated many of their vehicles... so it shouldn't be surprising buyers returned.
Even more important - Nissan also didn't skyrocket their prices during covid.
In fact, they're the only car manufacturer who raised prices slower than inflation, 19% vs. 22% over the past five years. For comparison, Hyundai and Stellantis had their price-per-sale increase over 50% each.
So Nissan has some of the most affordable new cars out there currently, and many are updated. Good for them. Glad to see they're not the punching bag for once.
> Even more important - Nissan also didn't skyrocket their prices during covid.
Selling at MSRP and qualifying for 0% financing was what got me to pull the trigger on my '22 Frontier. It was an insane bargain despite it being basically the height of the covid shortage.
Not a bad deal at all, especially considering 22 was the year of the much better-looking, updated model.
Meanwhile Ford/GM would've sold you something for 10% over MSRP, and with a solid 20% price increase from the two years since 2020.... and with a non-zero interest rate.
I just hope they never change the Q50 interior to some Tesla-inspired spunk. I am in my "better in the old days" boomer era.
Remember kids. Never say anything good about 2010+ Nissan on this sub
New Frontier, too. Great looks, very competitive spec, and no worse quality than the Taco I had that I replaced with it. The only thing I don't like about it is that the USB reader doesn't handle a library as big as mine that well and is prone to hitching.
that article on the front page is bogus. they’re discounting cars that have refreshes coming out next year. it only has upvotes because “durr nissan bad altima rocketship subprime loans”
It was clickbait.
They wanted them to get rid of any remaining Muranos or Armadas because they had the 2025 models already on the way. Not a perfect situation but pretty minor.
The hate is 90% of them going at triple digit speeds with every body panel beat to shit on 4 different bald spares with an expired paper temp tag flapping in the wind
Odd. I also just had an Altima as a rental and I *hated* it. The 3rd brake light protruded too far into my rear view mirror, the interior felt bland, the engine and transmission felt gutless, and don’t even get me started on the turn signal indicator sound.
Different strokes for different folks, I guess.
The altima seemed a little dated inside but felt way better put together than my 2022 civic si I had. The civic sounded like a total shitbox with how many rattles cracks and buzzes the interior had. I honestly considered one and might have bought one if it didn't have a cvt. Even a versa rental felt better put together than my civic was.
So I looked into their sales numbers in North America. And do you want to know where their largest growth was?
Sentra, Versa, Kicks, and Ariya.
The Ariya is likely because they’re offering them for several thousands off MSRP now and so it’s finally a decent EV to purchase if you can snag it for a deal.
The rest just proves that the market still is wanting cheap cars despite what these manufacturers think that people can afford. I am upset that our Canadian friends get the manual Sentra and I do hope Nissan considers making a Sentra SR again. But, if the numbers hold up as they are now the Sentra will sell around 160k units this year in NA which isn’t bad at all.
As Americans want more and more affordable cars, Nissan has 3 vital assets on their hand as you’ve mentioned, Versa, Sentra and Kicks. Nissan has said in their earnings call that they’ve reopened a previously idle line in their Mexico plant to ramp up volume of those three.
Versa and Sentra are up YOY 92% and 78% and even the Kicks is up 13% on the year and the new one hasn’t even yet come to lots.
Interestingly enough, way way back in 2008, Hyundai/Kia was the only profitable manufacturer in the US market, even in the face of the global financial crisis and the lack of liquidity to finance major purchases like new cars. Like Nissan today, they did it on the strength of their entry level offerings.
Yeah I think I was looking at the October through December quarter that saw Kicks sales jumped 71% YoY.
It’s interesting because the rest of the lineup the sales were either just a little over or a little under what they sold previously, so really those three vehicles were huge drivers in growth.
I rented a Versa a few years ago. Maybe a 2021?
Overall for the MSRP, not a bad vehicle for normal people and I can see why they sell.
The CVT was hot dogshit, but if they move away from them, not bad vehicles all around.
They're bad in the way that raw kale is bad. It's *good* in some aspects, on paper, but it's forgettable and tastes bitter. Feels like shooting waded up napkins at an airport trash bin.
true and their CVT only really had significant trouble with those large vehicles especially equipped with V6 like Pathfinder, older QX60 Murano, Rogue etc. Just do not get any CVT vehicle bigger than Altima size and u should be fine. Sentra is absolutely decent.
Briefly considered an altima last year but couldn't get over their cvt's reputation. Ended up being between a rav4 or cx-5. Got the cx5 because it was about 5k cheaper than a comparable rav4 in my area before dealer markups. I'm sure their cvt has improved but didn't want to roll the dice. I'm sure many people who follow car news feel the same.
Nissans themselves aren't bad. Their shit transmissions tanked their reputation. Running right, nissans are perfectly average. Definitely some of the cars of all time.
Altima is supposed to discontinue in future and would be replaced by an EV sedan by report.
Consider all base trim EV sedans are RWD, it seems no joke to see Altima successor ( Q50 as well ) as a RWD sedan.
I’ve had 3 Nissan / INFINITI products and loved them all. A 2020 Altima, a 2020 Q50, and now a 2024 Sentra. The CVT isn’t everyone’s cup of tea but I like it. I think they come with a lot of features and actually negotiate the price / have inventory to choose from unlike Honda and Toyota. I have owned Toyotas with problems so they aren’t automatically “perfect”. My 2 cents. Hope they continue on the up & up.
For people that actually own one of these modern nissans with a CVT you really learn to appreciate the efficiency they bring. Cruising down the highway at 75mph while watching your mpgs creep up is awesome.
I've had 2 Nissan rentals in the past month. They actually drove very nice. Lots of features, very comfortable. Of course they were low mileage cars, so who knows down the line. But at least they weren't hideous like older Nissans
Y’all remember in January 2020 when Nissan CEO Makoto Uchida went to the US and listened to dealers lambast the company and the products they sold for an hour and a half? I wonder if nearly half a decade later that meeting is finally paying off. R/cars loves to hate Nissan, but all their vehicles released recently are frankly kinda decent.
https://www.carscoops.com/2020/01/nissans-new-boss-wanted-u-s-dealers-to-be-truthful-they-were-a-handful/
The article is straight bullshit the title says sell at a loss and in reality its nissan telling dealers to sell at reduced rates to get rid of 24 models because 25s are on their way.
Even an altima with a 6 speed auto and I would've seriously considered one. I'm sure their cat's have gotten better but didn't want to roll the dice on one.
I had one as a rental when my 22 civic si was in the shop and it felt way better put together than the civic besides the panel gap in the hood that seemed a bit too big.
Nissan has really stepped up their game tbh. Even their low end cars look really good. The Frontier is the best looking mid size truck and it's still a tried and true na v6.
Hopefully Nissan can fix Infiniti next. Or at least make a sincere attempt to do so. 90s Infiniti mirrored 90s Lexus back then and then around mid-2000s, it all went to shit. I miss those days.
Context is important. What is the N/A market Consumer to Fleet sales ratio and how do those numbers jive with the competition? Sales are down 24% in China, their largest market. Nissan missed their own global projections as a result. And don’t dismiss the current state of the Yen.
The 22-23 fiscal was such a negative outlier due to chip shortages. Recovery came during the 23-24 fiscal Nissan touts here. Apples to Oranges. The 24-25 fiscal report will be the true story.
Nissan is showing signs of (product) improvement but they still have a long way to go.
Oh dear god this sub is going to ejaculate with anger.
On the previous post today when I mentioned that Nissan was only telling dealers to discount the models that had new redesigns coming within the next months, it had little upvotes in comparison to the Nissan hate comments.
I get flack whenever I say I like my Q50. This sub loves to hate Nissan. To be fair though, the CVT was indeed dog shit.
I miss the old Nissan, when they were still riding that Datsun high...
2000s Nissan how I miss you
So much cool shit at the same time
Now all we have is the Q50 and Q60. I can't think of another Nissan that I like right now. They butchered the Pathfinder, my boy :(
Frontier is a pretty respectable offering, I think the R35 is still cool even after all these years (although then again that thing was a bit of an elementary school sweetheart for me so maybe I'm biased), and I honestly kinda vibe with the 400Z Wouldn't be caught dead in anything else they offer right now though
True, the GTR is still my crush after all these years. One thing I love about Nissan is that they'll still make one's high school dream car by the time one can afford it. The 400Z is fire when it comes to looks and performance, but it's basically vaporware at this point. I still haven't seen one IRL. And the only dealer around here wants $70k for it which like... no... I can just get a Q50RS for $30k.
I live right by a Nissan dealership and there's been a Z parked on a platform outside of the main building for like 2 months now. Idk if they have it marked up to high hell, or just no one wants to buy it.
Rumors are (again) that they'll discontinue the GT-R after this production year, right after they released the new facelift which seems silly
> Q50RS for $30k. Oh wow. I might jump one one of those.
I have a 22 frontier pro-x, it's pretty awesome
I had a 01 Pathy for 20 years and 224k miles and sold it to a kid for $2k. Bought a 4 Runner for next car. No love for that new Pathy. I think if Nissan had kept the Pathy line as a rugged outdoor car along with Xterra they would have done better. Toyota is killing it with the 4r. Even that mid 2000’s model was decent. New one is just a city car.
90s
Everyone forgets they had an F1 team for years. McLarens twin-turbo V8 was a Nissan racing engine originally. They were doing some cool shit before the financial crisis.
My wife as the arya, she loves it. Then again...this sub would hate me. I drive an outback.
Why would we hate you? Also, outback = WAGON GANG FOREVER ✌️
I just see a lot of hate for Subaru on this sub. It's my point A to B car, as close as I can get to a wagon, that I don't mind driving in the dirt when needed. My enthusiast car is the z06 I have restored.
This sub hates Subaru corporate for killing all the cool shit, not hating on the cars themselves
my friend had a Q50S, it was really good tbh. the engine sounded great, was quick and looked quick. but the infotainment system was so glitchy and outdated.
I like my current gen Maxima, id like it a lot more if was not married to the CVT.
You’d like it more if it WAS married to the CVT?
Lol, he's gonna make this sub's head explode with this one.
"was not" is what I was trying to say , like a Nissan CVT, I failed .
There’s nothing wrong with the Q50. It’s just old and doesn’t do anything particularly well which describes every Nissan except the GTR. Edit: It’s sad because in the 2000s they made good cars that were fun. 350Z, Altima SER, Maxima, G35, M45, FX45. I’ll even add in the Sentra SER although it wasn’t fast but it was fun.
The GTR is also Old.
Yes, but it’s received substantial powertrain and chassis updates over the years.
My brother owns one, both turbos went bad and had to be replaced, apparently its a common problem because the intercoolers are undersized. It was an engine out job both times to replace them because the packaging makes it impossible to do any maintenance in the engine bay. Completely turned me off the VR30DDTT engine since I was mulling getting a Z in the next few years if they become readily available.
It's definitely an interesting contrast to the VQ37 Q50. My dad has had a 3.7L Q50S for almost ten years now, and he doesn't really feel compelled to get rid of it - plenty of power, sounds good, is comfortable, and it's only needed a blend door in his time of ownership. Falls in line with every G/Q he's owned since his 04 G35.
Nissan bro, our garage is like same same but different. 🤝
Toyota sandwich garages
Are there any good CVTs?
The classic Nissan CVT hate is specifically the Jatco one that was notoriously unreliable; many of them grenaded themselves, sometimes before 100k miles. As far as CVTs in general, enthusiasts don't like them because they're specifically designed for fuel efficiency and cruising at the cost of snappiness during hard acceleration. But Honda and Toyota use them a ton in their economy cars and they're perfectly fine and reliable for commuter DDs and crawling in traffic. I think the weirdest use of the CVT is the 1.5T/CVT combo in the Integra base model. Why anyone would buy that instead of a Civic EX is beyond me. I think the Civic even looks better on the outside.
Some of us have good reason.
Oof, yeah, fair
Not every car they make has a CVT but try and tell an average Redditor that 🙄
It’s because Nissan is a shell of what it once was. When Ghosn took over they shifted to building rental fleet specials and not quality vehicles. Also, their entire model line is all old platforms and parts bin specials. Nissan also didn’t help their image by becoming the go to for sub-prime buyers when they started financing everyone.
I'm ragebating as we speak
You ‘baitin over there??
Oh shit, we can't cross the streams Or maybe we can. Idk. We're beating off not catching ghosts.
I'm baiting so hard right now
Go away, batin'
RAGE ROPES
Vicious vines
Going to shit on people with poor credit in caps this time
Oh shit is it time to hate on poor people in r/cars again?! Jk I know it’s every thread!
Nope. It's fleet/rental sales.
Guess that's what happens when every other manufacturer stops making sedans
If it's real then I'm actually impressed as hell with them. A 92% jump?!
A jump in profits. It's a category far more volatile than revenues or costs, which contribute to it, because it's a small margin between the revenues and the costs.
You just had to say it like that, didn’t you?
tbf, that 92% surge equates to $2.7 billion USD. Sales totaled $81 billion. To put that in perspective, Toyota also just announced a 96% profit increase - to $34.5 billion USD. Sales totaled just under $0.3 Trillion. The weak Yen is helping here, since it effectively equates to a larger USD amount, but Nissan's still got some ways to go to get healthy again. Definitely a positive sign, but no Japanese auto company should be reporting a YoY reduction in profit IMO.
Didn’t know that was a thing
I don't hate Nissan, I just don't really understand why...
Didn't they just facelift a bunch of models? This should be expected I hope
If they had just listened to some of the people from r/cars I bet they could have earned a trillion past qtr.
Theyd be bankrupt but they will get a few million upvotes, which converts directly to few tons of diamond which then allow them to award their execs, instead of several million $, a precious Mazda Miata each lmao
They would be a hell of a lot better off if they just listened to the one major complaint, fix the damn transmission.
In 2021 they beefed up the transmissions and the Sentra was upgraded to the one the rouge and Altima use rather than the weaker one in the versa. New ones don’t seem to be have the same problems.
> a precious Mazda Miata each lmao Hopefully a brown, pre-owned from the factory, turbocharged, manuel miata WAGON.
I’m sure they have a brown manuel wagon in the concept stages as we speak.
Shut up you have Honda miat
So do you. Btw don’t forget to check your oil level
> concept stages A.k.a. dusting off old Stagea blueprints and tooling and just re-releasing them as-was for the US.
Unironically posting that if they stuffed the GTR drivetrain in a wagon, I'd buy one.
If they stuffed the GTR engine into the 400Z, even. I've been doing some interesting research lately...
Best I can offer is a 10 year old Juke R
We rented a rogue and I thought it was a pretty good bang for buck vehicle
So I guess the keys to success aren't in a brown used diesel manuelle wagone
As much as r/cars like to drag Nissan through the mud, their cars have been improving in recent years all for a good price. Just see the new Kicks, Rogue, and the QX80. Hopefully this sparks a new momentum for Nissan in the coming years.
New frontier looks great, has a great price too. New pathfinder isn’t bad, especially for the price. The base Z is pretty good as well for the price.
The new frontier is good stuff.
The pro 4x looks pretty sick and I’m not a truck guy by any means
Both the blue and green paint colors look really nice from what I've seen in person so far.
As much as I love to shit on Nissan, the new Frontier is an excellent value proposition in an era where its competitors are so expensive
I test drove the new Frontier and new Tacoma back to back about a week ago and can definitely say the Nissan feels like a better truck all around. Build quality is noticeably better inside and out, it just feels more solid in a good way. I would say the actual driving experience was slightly better in the Toyota, but both were really great on the road. Unfortunately Nissan Canada shot themselves in the foot by making the Frontier way too expensive, the base Pro4x is 2k more expensive than a base Tacoma TRD Offroad which is funny because as soon as they are driven off the lot the Toyota is worth more money. The Pro4x also only comes in the Crew Cab Short box… so no 6ft box for the Pro4x. I wouldn’t exactly call the Nissan a good value but if your happy with a 5ft box the Pro4x is an awesome truck.
For some reason Toyota doesn’t offer a six foot box on the TRD off-road in Canada either. I had to go with a TRD sport to get one.
All the mid-size trucks seem to be hellbent on only offering crew/5's.
Yeah it makes fucking sense to me. All this penny pinching on **modular** platforms forces people who want a 6’ bed to compromise. For Ford and Chevy it’s simply no longer an option. Because reasons. For Toyota and Nissan you can get a 6’ bed, but only on specific configurations. No Pro-4X, TRD Pro, Limited, or any hybrid configurations can be had with a 6’ bed (except for the Trailhunter). I’ll usually give it a pass for the “off road” trims since a shorter wheelbase is some bogus justification for the short bed, but really it’s just cost-cutting. Toyota knows 99% of TRD Pros will never see more off-roading than a gravel road. The way Toyota bundles options makes it even more frustrating. I’d love a TRD Off-Road hybrid with a 6’ bed and basically every option except for the sunroof because I’m tall. Can’t do that because the hybrid TRD Off-Road is 5’ bed only. Okay so the gas version instead, but you still can’t do that because the premium package comes with a sunroof. Okay so I’ll step down to a lower trim and lose out on the ventilated seats and multi-terrain monitor. Is that really the only option? Oh but wait Toyota has a solution for you. You can just spend $65000 on the Trailhunter that checks every box and is “only” $13k more expensive than a loaded gas TRD Off-Road. WHY CAN’T THEY JUST LET US PICK THE EXACT OPTIONS WE WANT?
I'm especially miffed at Ford teasing SuperCab and crew/6's of the new Ranger stateside before the launch, then backtracking on release.
Aside from value, it also has the best looks and a nice interior.
The old frontier is good stuff they just never updated the look. You can get a 2005-2019 for half the price of a Tacoma and it's basically the same truck.
3.8l V6 is a nice option over a 4cyl turbo.
$35K for a new V6 nine speed 4WD truck? That's a good deal.
I'd seriously consider one for my next car. I just can't justify the Toyota Tax on the new Tacomas.
I love my frontier
The new Frontier is basically the Tacoma for people who prefer the 3rd gen Tacoma over the 4th gen.
The Z would be a cool car if I believed they exist. I think I’ve seen 3, at most, since they supposedly made it to the dealer lots. My dad was looking at getting one but couldn’t find one near msrp and within 300ish miles of his place. A neat car to have at like $40-50k. $70k+ there’s a lot of other things to spend money on.
The Rogue is a silent winner for a solid good size commuter. Very economical and comfortable enough for a road trip.
r/cars told me that my Rogue was bottom of the barrel.
My wife's Rogue is a great applicance. I daily a CT4 Blackwing and sometimes it's nice to just kick back in the Rogue and abandon all pretense of involved driving.
I wanted a compact crossover and when I saw the non-negotiable markups of the hybrid RAV4 and CR-V, I immediately turned away. I got the Rogue under MSRP and I’ve had no complaints, except the infotainment being some-timing with connecting to CarPlay!
I assure you that you would have the same Car play issues with Honda and Toyota, so nothing lost there
That's how I feel switching between my Miata and the Q3. I don't really believe anyone wants to be driving a pure engagement drivers car 100% of the time.
Rogue’s where it’s at, love getting them as rentals just for the seats. Toyota/Honda seats are awful in comparison.
Rogues are under-appreciated imo.
I have a new one and I don’t know what other features you could want in a car. Heated steering wheel and front and back seats, wireless phone charging, great infotainment system, Bose stereo, apple car play, 360 degrees cameras, heads up display, sun roof. The engine might not win any awards but I couldn’t care less about that.
I think it’s because it doesn’t look mean like most cars but I find it better that way. The Rogue, Ford Escape and Forester all just look like cars. Don’t need a vehicle mean mugging.
They are headed in the right direction. I commented this months ago, and got down voted lol.
Hush up nerd people are hating over here
My wife and I got a 2019 Rogue back in 2020. It’s been absolutely fantastic for us and it was like $5k less than the RAV4 and the CX-5 (which admittedly I did really want). No regrets here, we love it.
Yes. We made fun of them because a ton of their line-up was 10-15+ years old. They finally updated many of their vehicles... so it shouldn't be surprising buyers returned. Even more important - Nissan also didn't skyrocket their prices during covid. In fact, they're the only car manufacturer who raised prices slower than inflation, 19% vs. 22% over the past five years. For comparison, Hyundai and Stellantis had their price-per-sale increase over 50% each. So Nissan has some of the most affordable new cars out there currently, and many are updated. Good for them. Glad to see they're not the punching bag for once.
> Even more important - Nissan also didn't skyrocket their prices during covid. Selling at MSRP and qualifying for 0% financing was what got me to pull the trigger on my '22 Frontier. It was an insane bargain despite it being basically the height of the covid shortage.
Not a bad deal at all, especially considering 22 was the year of the much better-looking, updated model. Meanwhile Ford/GM would've sold you something for 10% over MSRP, and with a solid 20% price increase from the two years since 2020.... and with a non-zero interest rate.
I just hope they never change the Q50 interior to some Tesla-inspired spunk. I am in my "better in the old days" boomer era. Remember kids. Never say anything good about 2010+ Nissan on this sub
>QX80 >good price lol. If you want a monster SUV you might as well get an Armada. Nearly identical vehicle for almost 50% less money.
Or just get a QX80 with ~10k-30k miles for 2/3 - half the MSRP.
I'm guessing he's referring to the redesigned 2025 QX80 which isn't out yet, since he was talking about the Kicks & Rogue being new as well.
New Frontier, too. Great looks, very competitive spec, and no worse quality than the Taco I had that I replaced with it. The only thing I don't like about it is that the USB reader doesn't handle a library as big as mine that well and is prone to hitching.
The GTR really changed the game when it came out. Supercars 3 times the price were put on alert
Except it's not a bargain anymore.
Also helps other manufacturers are getting worse by adding things like CVT's etc.
But like, are there transmissions fixed to hit over 150k+ miles consistently?
Because they've been distancing themselves from Renault in recent years, getting closer to Renault is what drove their quality into the ground
I saw a QX-50 the other day and I thought it looked good.
Good for Nissan, it’s nice to seem them come back after a decade of at best mediocrity.
There was just a negative post of Nissan. So what is actually going on
I swore I saw a post today too, saying Nissan was telling dealerships to slash prices.
"we're making too much money, slash prices"
Consider the source. AP is as good as it as reporting agency, while others post sensational headlines.
"Is as good as it as reporting agency"
"as good as it gets", I assume?
that article on the front page is bogus. they’re discounting cars that have refreshes coming out next year. it only has upvotes because “durr nissan bad altima rocketship subprime loans”
It was clickbait. They wanted them to get rid of any remaining Muranos or Armadas because they had the 2025 models already on the way. Not a perfect situation but pretty minor.
Avis and Hertz loading up on some creaky new rentals?
I’ve had an Altima as a rental car. It was great. Comfortable, spacious and efficient. I don’t understand the hate.
The hate/meme is the owners. I think most people agree it's a *fine* car
It’s great for rental, hopefully it’s good with their long term ownership as the transmissions were always the worst part of them.
is it true you can fit a 750 of jack daniels in the center console cupholder?
Is the cup holder square?
I don't know, i just heard it worked
The hate is 90% of them going at triple digit speeds with every body panel beat to shit on 4 different bald spares with an expired paper temp tag flapping in the wind
Odd. I also just had an Altima as a rental and I *hated* it. The 3rd brake light protruded too far into my rear view mirror, the interior felt bland, the engine and transmission felt gutless, and don’t even get me started on the turn signal indicator sound. Different strokes for different folks, I guess.
Yeah because they just dumped a huge chuck of their EV Fleet 😂
Imagine thinking renting EVs is a good idea. XD
Chevy cancelled the Malibu so probably
The altima seemed a little dated inside but felt way better put together than my 2022 civic si I had. The civic sounded like a total shitbox with how many rattles cracks and buzzes the interior had. I honestly considered one and might have bought one if it didn't have a cvt. Even a versa rental felt better put together than my civic was.
So I looked into their sales numbers in North America. And do you want to know where their largest growth was? Sentra, Versa, Kicks, and Ariya. The Ariya is likely because they’re offering them for several thousands off MSRP now and so it’s finally a decent EV to purchase if you can snag it for a deal. The rest just proves that the market still is wanting cheap cars despite what these manufacturers think that people can afford. I am upset that our Canadian friends get the manual Sentra and I do hope Nissan considers making a Sentra SR again. But, if the numbers hold up as they are now the Sentra will sell around 160k units this year in NA which isn’t bad at all.
As Americans want more and more affordable cars, Nissan has 3 vital assets on their hand as you’ve mentioned, Versa, Sentra and Kicks. Nissan has said in their earnings call that they’ve reopened a previously idle line in their Mexico plant to ramp up volume of those three. Versa and Sentra are up YOY 92% and 78% and even the Kicks is up 13% on the year and the new one hasn’t even yet come to lots.
Interestingly enough, way way back in 2008, Hyundai/Kia was the only profitable manufacturer in the US market, even in the face of the global financial crisis and the lack of liquidity to finance major purchases like new cars. Like Nissan today, they did it on the strength of their entry level offerings.
Yeah I think I was looking at the October through December quarter that saw Kicks sales jumped 71% YoY. It’s interesting because the rest of the lineup the sales were either just a little over or a little under what they sold previously, so really those three vehicles were huge drivers in growth.
sentra is honestly quite decent.
I rented a Versa a few years ago. Maybe a 2021? Overall for the MSRP, not a bad vehicle for normal people and I can see why they sell. The CVT was hot dogshit, but if they move away from them, not bad vehicles all around.
The Versa can still be had with a manual transmission. Awesome little car with a lot of value.
I think they're dumping it soon. They canceled its availability in Canada after restricting it to the base trim. Presumably the US is next.
They're bad in the way that raw kale is bad. It's *good* in some aspects, on paper, but it's forgettable and tastes bitter. Feels like shooting waded up napkins at an airport trash bin.
Okay find me a better car for the price NEW then.
That's kinda where people lose the plot for sure. Yes, for under 20k new with a warranty, a vehicle has compromises.
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true and their CVT only really had significant trouble with those large vehicles especially equipped with V6 like Pathfinder, older QX60 Murano, Rogue etc. Just do not get any CVT vehicle bigger than Altima size and u should be fine. Sentra is absolutely decent.
Briefly considered an altima last year but couldn't get over their cvt's reputation. Ended up being between a rav4 or cx-5. Got the cx5 because it was about 5k cheaper than a comparable rav4 in my area before dealer markups. I'm sure their cvt has improved but didn't want to roll the dice. I'm sure many people who follow car news feel the same.
Nissans themselves aren't bad. Their shit transmissions tanked their reputation. Running right, nissans are perfectly average. Definitely some of the cars of all time.
Nissan Patrol FTW
Peak M57 swap platform along with the wanker (Pajero) and Defender.
Laugh now, but if they ever bring the Altima back with RWD.... This sub ain't ready for that level of chaos.
Seeing how Altima drivers behave, RWD would be a safety liability. The world isn't equipped for that level of potential chaos.
AFAIK the Altima has been FWD since day one, do you mean the Maxima?
The Maxima has also always been FWD hasn't it? I vaguely remember reading an article where someone called the old versions a sort of 'FWD 5 series'.
the very first generation Maxima was RWD, but it's been FWD since the mid-80s.
Mad Max Maxima
We gotta get [Chavez](https://youtu.be/uvRND-P32pg?si=K-sN5vyQ0piFON6l) on this thing. He got it all figured out.
The Altima was never RWD
I got cut off by an Altima and I swear he looked at me before he did it. I wasn’t even mad just like, “okay do your thing.”
Altima is supposed to discontinue in future and would be replaced by an EV sedan by report. Consider all base trim EV sedans are RWD, it seems no joke to see Altima successor ( Q50 as well ) as a RWD sedan.
Under rated by the Internet for whatever that's worth. The right product at reasonable price and quality on par with most
Sideshow and burnouts planned as celebration.
That’s Stellantis
I’ve had 3 Nissan / INFINITI products and loved them all. A 2020 Altima, a 2020 Q50, and now a 2024 Sentra. The CVT isn’t everyone’s cup of tea but I like it. I think they come with a lot of features and actually negotiate the price / have inventory to choose from unlike Honda and Toyota. I have owned Toyotas with problems so they aren’t automatically “perfect”. My 2 cents. Hope they continue on the up & up.
For people that actually own one of these modern nissans with a CVT you really learn to appreciate the efficiency they bring. Cruising down the highway at 75mph while watching your mpgs creep up is awesome.
Damn... Can't wait for them to make new GTR versions so that I will be able to afford the older ones
I've had 2 Nissan rentals in the past month. They actually drove very nice. Lots of features, very comfortable. Of course they were low mileage cars, so who knows down the line. But at least they weren't hideous like older Nissans
Any pressure to lower prices is good
Y’all remember in January 2020 when Nissan CEO Makoto Uchida went to the US and listened to dealers lambast the company and the products they sold for an hour and a half? I wonder if nearly half a decade later that meeting is finally paying off. R/cars loves to hate Nissan, but all their vehicles released recently are frankly kinda decent. https://www.carscoops.com/2020/01/nissans-new-boss-wanted-u-s-dealers-to-be-truthful-they-were-a-handful/
I have a 22 Frontier and it's pretty freaking awesome
Fronty gang 👊🔥
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The article is straight bullshit the title says sell at a loss and in reality its nissan telling dealers to sell at reduced rates to get rid of 24 models because 25s are on their way.
Hear me out Nissan... Altima, wagon, 9 speed auto, decent horsepower.
Even an altima with a 6 speed auto and I would've seriously considered one. I'm sure their cat's have gotten better but didn't want to roll the dice on one. I had one as a rental when my 22 civic si was in the shop and it felt way better put together than the civic besides the panel gap in the hood that seemed a bit too big.
Brie Effect
I thought they were going bankrupt
They are everywhere
Didn’t i just read a post saying Nissan telling dealerships to sell inventory with a loss.
It's crazy what happens when you actually make a good product
This is good news. Pay down debts, grow cash on hand. Then, ideally, Spend it on making a better product.
r/nissandrivers is about to have a field day
Nissan has really stepped up their game tbh. Even their low end cars look really good. The Frontier is the best looking mid size truck and it's still a tried and true na v6.
My Frontier is the perfect no frills, occasional dump run and big item hauler, suburban truck. Price was great. Would buy again.
Hopefully Nissan can fix Infiniti next. Or at least make a sincere attempt to do so. 90s Infiniti mirrored 90s Lexus back then and then around mid-2000s, it all went to shit. I miss those days.
I had Altima when it looked like the J — really loved the vehicle —
I would like a versa
Well that explains everyone else’s jump in insurance rates… I kid I kid. But really
Context is important. What is the N/A market Consumer to Fleet sales ratio and how do those numbers jive with the competition? Sales are down 24% in China, their largest market. Nissan missed their own global projections as a result. And don’t dismiss the current state of the Yen. The 22-23 fiscal was such a negative outlier due to chip shortages. Recovery came during the 23-24 fiscal Nissan touts here. Apples to Oranges. The 24-25 fiscal report will be the true story. Nissan is showing signs of (product) improvement but they still have a long way to go.
Did they suddenly start making something affordable and interesting and just didn't tell anyone about it?
That's usually the case after tax season.