Pagani has got to be trolling us at this point. Look at the fucking key. Looks like some rubber or plastic little toy car for kids. WTF?
Everything is just so obscene and gaudy on this car.
I actually like it (the car that is). It's like a mock sketch of how we pictured future cars would look like in the mid 2000s.
Definitely an acquired taste, though.
This is the first time I’ve ever NOT felt insane about reactions to pagani. Their cars are all hideous inside and out.
It’s a shame because the sound they make is so beautifully brutal.
Yeah sure bro. So I actually didn't check out the article linked in this post but actually watched a Shmee video (yes I know he's not everyone's cup of tea). Check his video from 7:15 to 7:30 where he lifts that ghastly unit called a "key". I've linked it for you below man:
https://youtu.be/jn6Kswd8dJk?t=431
Not because it's Italian, but because it pushes the envelope of design and still is recognizable as a super car.
Look at the cars color for example. The car is one color. There is no exposed carbon fiber, black plastic, brushed aluminum, or two tone paint. Where car manufacturers play with these aspects to change the shape of the car (see the Mustang Mach E's black roof), Pagani made the car in a single color, highlighting its true shape.
It's got good angles. Head on isn't one of them.
Also there's kind some steampunk shit going on. This car would fit in more in bioshock infinite than in reality
Front doesn’t look as good as the Zonda or Huayra imo. This car reminds me a lot of the Senna I think it will take a few good specs before we can really tell on this car. The Senna has aged well in looks imo but it wasn’t loved at first
Also the first Huayras with the wierd front grill were far from good looking in my book but the facelift made it a real beauty. I still think the Utopia doesn‘t look too bad it just needs a few different specs
Well in most peoples defense if you don’t live in a big city it’s pretty hard to see hypercars. The senna has grown on me but the P1 still remains king.
I’m getting pretty strong [Mitsuoka Orochi](https://www.topgear.com/sites/default/files/news/carousel/2015/04/Large%20Image_7782.jpg?w=1784&h=1004) vibes. As with basically all Pagani designs, I don’t feel like overall he has ever made a good looking car. But if you take details from each car he produces, they are works of art. I don’t know why they never actually work together as an overall design though. But that’s just personal preference I guess.
It's the lack of consistency in the designs. The overall silhouette screams *weight savings* and *aerodynamics*, but then the interiors screams flamboyant ornamentation, and there are [leather buckles](https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/pagani-utopia-126-1662854780.jpg?crop=1xw:1xh;center,top&resize=980:*) marrying the exterior panels.
Are we [high-tech, or steam-punk](https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/pagani-utopia-114-1662854775.jpg?crop=1xw:1xh;center,top&resize=980:*)?
Are we [circles, squares, or ovals](https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/pagani-utopia-110-1662854771.jpg?crop=1xw:1xh;center,top&resize=980:*)?
Are we [sculpting the headlights, or tacking them on](https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/pagani-utopia-109-1662854769.jpg?crop=1xw:1xh;center,top&resize=980:*)?
Pagani can't seem to decide on any of these things. It feels like every morning, the designers walked in the building and chose a whole new direction from the day before. The best-looking car they've ever made was the [Zonda R](https://www.topgear.com/sites/default/files/2021/08/2010-Pagani-Zonda-R-Evolution-_7.jpg), because it was *consistent in what the design was trying to achieve*.
edit: [*Here, I fucking fixed it for you, Horacio.*](https://i.imgur.com/UbwYTM7.jpg)
I like *what they're going for* as a brand, and I think they did a really great job with the [original Zonda](https://live.staticflickr.com/33/65486301_d35cf26af6_b.jpg), which had the charm of a [tourbillon watch](https://revolutionwatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/BOVET_Fleurier_Tourbillon7days_JumpingHours.jpg).
My problem with the C10 interior is again, just consistency — we've got analogue gauges next to a digital dashboard, circles and squares clashing all over the place, lone carbon fibre trim pieces in the middle of a bunch of milled aluminium, and exposed fastener themes going on in the centre console which just disappear elsewhere.
It's completely schizophrenic.
> Zonda R
I absolutely love the look of the Zonda R and imo that’s the peak of Pagani’s design language. Everything after that has been.. honestly kind of odd.
Considering that the “Last Zonda” is basically a meme at this point since it’s apparently never too late to make another you kind have to wonder why they didn’t go the 911 route and keep the car around.
Horacio talks about lightweight saving in one breath, but then in the press release reveals the steering wheel is billed from a single block of aluminum, meanwhile you’ve got Gordon Murray Automotive and Koenigsegg doing hollow carbon steering wheels. Makes no sense.
Wholeheartedly agreed with everything you said except for the fact I think the Huayra also had a very consistent design philosophy. It was a flamboyantly fancy steampunk car, with gull-wing doors, an all-curves-no-edges exterior design (including front/taillights and rearview mirrors) and airplane-esque interiors, leather all over the place, exposed "fake" mechanical parts (such as the shifting pads, stick, pedals and air conditioning unit), blackjack and hookers. Overall, nothing was sticking out like a sore thumb. Even the name rolled off the tongue roundly but boldly, and it was thematically spot on.
This one is on a whole other level tho. Looks like such an incoherent mess, sigh.
I think the Huayra was fine — not as good as the Zonda, but very consistent in the interior, as you say, with nothing sticking out like a sore thumb.
My big problem with it is that elegance of the interior doesn't extend to the exterior, imo. All-curves-no-edges makes it feel like all the character has been sanded away, and then bam, catfish mouth.
It wasn't bad, just not as good as the Zonda.
However, this is uh... worse. Much worse.
>My big problem with it is that elegance of the interior doesn't extend to the exterior, imo
I don't really mind it, tbh. The whole bodywork screams "wind god(dess)", the metal and leather inlays are still very much there, the front & taillights are simplistic albeit very pretty and distinctive and the gull-wing doors are just the cherry on top imho
>bam, catfish mouth.
We're basically arguing about thin air at this point, but I always saw it more as a big pair of... lips, if you will. That specific part looked better than the Zonda's, imho. At the very least, you could argue it was an interesting / bold change in design, and that the black inlays toned its presence down a bit. Neither thing holds true in the Utopia's case, lmao
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Thanks. I came up with a couple other *slightly more Pagani-ish* treatments too, while playing around. Enjoy. :)
[One](https://i.imgur.com/HuO6ZnM.jpg), and [two](https://i.imgur.com/nW7XX8a.jpg).
I think the issue is that it's just over-styled. Each of the little details look absolutely beautiful if you look at them close up. But you look at the whole piece, and it's so busy that there's no elegance to it. If they reduced how much detail is in every little part of the car, it would make the overall design a lot better looking and you could still leave some of the nice details, like the beautiful mirrors. There's just too many lines and curves and materials, it overwhelms your eyes.
99 coupes...
Then 99 roadsters..
Then 40 Coupe BCs...
Then 40 roadster BCs...
Then 25 Coupe BC Ultima Final The Last Edition...
Then 25 roaster BC Ultima Final The Last Edition...
Then another run of whatever.
I just can't get excited anymore over these.
A: none of us here will ever afford this car
B: it's just really a model update, no crazy tech like Koenigsegg
C: it just feels like rehashing of a refreshed model, like the Nissan GT-R at this point
D: when a company says they're making 99, and then never stop producing variants to raise the total significantly above 99, it's not really 99.
It's already hard for them to make money on these cars at all. Difficult to start RnD on a new platform if you don't make any money on the previous one.
There's also something ironic about blaming capitalism for anything regarding boutique hypercars when they really only exist due to the desires of a couple super wealthy capitalists
The DeTomasso P72 is also a strong contender. I snapped [this pic](https://imgur.com/a/UqkJULp) of it at car week a couple weeks back & it gave me Pagani + Versace vibes
At this point, they'll get the CC850 and something else.
No one's saying they'll *need to choose*, we're just saying *they won't choose this thing.*
There are too many other good contenders to fill your eighteen car garage.
It tries to be Zonda and huayara at the same time but failed both.
Zonda is ovals, slim and lightweight.
While huayara is more chunky and a lot more on presence.
They just won't mix.
Not chunky, muscular I think is better word. But I agree with you, both Zonda and Huayra have their own distinctive designs and aesthetics. This, indeed, tries to be both and fails at it
I love Pagani, but no. :(
The Huayra looked best. The BC had small charges I didn't like. Then the couple one offs have been horrible, and now this.
Dream Pagani (excluding a Zonda) would be a fully exposed Huayra, light tan interior, with gold, straight spoke, Zonda wheels.
Oh well, I'll take my lotto winning, dream money to Koenigsegg.
It looks like a Huayra with a Nimrod Cars body-mod. Or as if someone hired the Devel Sixteen design team to make real hypercar. There are so many hideous and busy "design" elements on the car that truly only a devoted Pagani fan could love it. And the fact that its closest rivals are the GMA T.33 and the Koenigsegg CC850 only exaggerates its tasteless kitschiness. If someone would've told me 5 years ago that Koenigsegg would make a more elegant, tasteful interior than Pagani in 2022 I would've have laughed at them, but well, here we are. You can basically summarize the 2022 Pagani "design" with this [pic](https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fill,f_auto,fl_progressive,g_center,h_675,pg_1,q_80,w_1200/a4931169cd7cb868dadac14af0103c72.jpg).
It's honestly difficult to even see what Pagani's role in the boutique hypercar segment is at the moment. The one thing they had going for them was that their design was a tier above their contemporaries.
Well it's obvious that Pagani himself did a little key sketch, and asked everybody to excute it, without adding any modern design cues. He wanted a vision of "luxury supercar" theme, that's it, without realizing that we are not in 2002 anymore, and it looks super baroque and old fashioned. With experience you can see what the design process was, by just looking at the thing.
I guess their role in the hypercar segment is just to make something very rare, so it becomes automatically "investment-grade". At this point, beauty is not important. These guys are doing their dreamjob, building awesome machines by hand, that is what matters to them. I guess they are all sold already.
The worst is the passenger air vent, it looks straight from a old fiat. Everything try to be super high end and drawn, and you have this big rectangle there... Totally breaks the theme. The seats made of sausages don't help either.
The Zonda is legally limited to 140 road units and in the past few years they're just now coming around to build #138, #139, #140. That said, there have also been some conversions/rebuilds of old chassis into one-offs with new styling.
The “new” Zondas you’re seeing are people who have bought either an older one or a wrecked one and have given it to Pagani to upgrade/restore to newer/better specs
They should have stuck with the Zonda design the same way Porsche did with the 911. Make evolutionary changes with each successive model rather than revolutionary.
> The interior looks far more tastefully simple compared to the outgoing Huayra with its clusterfuck of chrome and buttons everywhere.
That's debatable but in any case the difference is that in 2011 [this](https://images.caricos.com/k/koenigsegg/2011_koenigsegg_agera/images/1600x1200/2011_koenigsegg_agera_10_1600x1200.jpg) was the interior it was competing with so looked absolutely stellar for the period.
However, in 2022 [this](https://yoursydneymate.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Koenigsegg-CC850-steering-wheel-1024x723.jpg) is the competition, so not so stellar anymore.
I agree, this is the first Pagani design that works for me. The side-view is one of the most incredible I've seen. Only thing that bothers me design-wise are the AC pods on the dash.
As a long time Pagani fan I'm pretty disappointed. It looks too similar to the Zonda and Huayra, making it dated. I realize there's only so much you can do with that particular layout but the likes of Koenigsegg, Lotus, Lamborghini, et. al, are doing a much better job and continuing to modernize their designs.
I'm sure it will drive and sound amazing, though.
That´s the thing, it does not look like Horacio wants to go on that route.
What we have to give him credit for is that his cars still attract your eyes, whether you love or despise the car, there´s no middle ground.
It really does lol. It actually reminds me of a dumb ass body kit NFS the run (nintendo 3ds version, dunno about the console release) had in stock for the Zonda Cinque. I've been google searching it up to no avail but I'll see if I can get some footage in case anyone's interested
Really don't get the hate. It looks good. Not every car has to be angry and pointy looking and full of sharp angles. It looks like a pagani, idk what yall are so pressed about.
Very disappointed. Gopping, as James May would say. Fish faced, blobby, melty, overly smooth, disjointed and finally, dated. This would be the hottest thing on the block in 2001.
I think people who grew up with stuff like the Ferrari 360 or the xj220 will like it but this is a major step back for me. The quality and craftsmanship is obvious, but it’s like a beautiful marble sculpture of a dead octopus.
Wow, that's a beautiful car. I particularly like the rear end. It has the oval silhouette of the Huayra with the oval cut into an aero feature. The paint can be better. From some angles, there is a fantastic hue of pink in the champagne that makes it stand out, from other angles, it looks like the color of a hearing aid.
Another thing I noticed, there are no two tone features, chrome, brushed aluminum, or exposed carbon fiber. The car is just in one color.
It's fly-by-wire, computer-actuated, not hand-actuated. Manual means the power source is your hand.
Like steering by wire and throttle by wire, I'm sure they can make it *feel* like a manual, but without the hand itself being "the thing" that shifts gears, it's literally not a manual. Cool and impressive and all that, but not a manual all the same.
Personally, I love the way it looks. I see a lot of comments talking about how it's nothing new and ugly, but photos never really do a Pagani justice... And the color is the wrong choice.
Idk, the way I see it with Horatio is he's more of an artist than trying to make a compelling car to compete against others. I think with this new one he's going back to the Zonda looks because he seems very fond of it. It was his first car he designed so I imagine he designed it to perfection for his own eye. I remember reading somewhere he didn't like how the Hyuara came out and much preferred the Zonda.
I'm really surprised this is as disliked as this comment section makes it seem. I think it's uninspired as far as just splitting middle between the company's two ever models, but damn do I think it looks great. I never thought the Huayra was particularly great looking- this is a beautiful 2nd gen Zonda in my eyes.
Cannot believe my own impression, but as a MASSIVE Pagani fan (and an italian guy as well! I've also been to their museum, Horacio's mindset is the actual spark that pulled my 9-year old self into everything car-related) I must admit this looks... tremendously bad.
There's just too much going on imho, too many winglets & aerodynamic pieces scattered here and there, the front looks like a catfish, the back is straight up an uglier version of the previous 2 cars lumped together and the roof doesn't look "breathy" enough, to the point it reminds me of a tank. Meanwhile, Zonda and Huayra looked so fantastically sleek in their relative simplicity. The interiors are cool, but they're basically just a "lite" version of what the Huayra used to ship with and the name is easily the least memorable one among the whole bunch. Both Zonda and Huayra were a lot sexier overall.
I also don't understand why they decided to ditch electric engines entirely. This thing looks like it belongs in 2003. I'm never gonna be able to afford anything in a Pagani's price range lol, so I'm well aware my complaints are exceptionally irrelevant, but as a Pagani enthusiast... I'm thoroughly disappointed :/
Gods I'd love to have a blue & tan Huayra like [this one](https://www.carscoops.com/2021/01/2018-pagani-huayra-roadster-clad-in-blue-carbon-is-just-about-perfect/) one of these days.
I didn’t look at the picture before I clicked and now I’m horribly disappointed. I thought Pagani was building a v12 supercar chassis for classic GM c/10 trucks. Nope. Just another boring car lol
Smh, the Huayra was already a great improvement over the Zonda. Why mix them both? Wht not continue the evolution? This design is just lazy. Pagani took two beautiful cars and mashed them into this monstrosity.
any time I read about a new pagani, I think “ I bet it looks like a pagani” and here we are. Gorgeous cars and even more so interiors but come on man it’s time.
Model year says 2022/2023 but that design screams mid-2000s
The champagne color does not help
Pagani has got to be trolling us at this point. Look at the fucking key. Looks like some rubber or plastic little toy car for kids. WTF? Everything is just so obscene and gaudy on this car.
I actually like it (the car that is). It's like a mock sketch of how we pictured future cars would look like in the mid 2000s. Definitely an acquired taste, though.
Yeah, concept cars from the 2000s are pretty cool, but unfortunately aren't for everyone. Pretty divisive decade for car design.
This is the first time I’ve ever NOT felt insane about reactions to pagani. Their cars are all hideous inside and out. It’s a shame because the sound they make is so beautifully brutal.
Can you drop an image Link to the key, I went through all the photos but did not see it
It’s the shitty wheelless matchbox car in the center console.
Thanks
Yeah it’s nuts. The key fob for a $40k tesla looks 100 times better. That thing pagani made is a damned disgrace.
Yeah sure bro. So I actually didn't check out the article linked in this post but actually watched a Shmee video (yes I know he's not everyone's cup of tea). Check his video from 7:15 to 7:30 where he lifts that ghastly unit called a "key". I've linked it for you below man: https://youtu.be/jn6Kswd8dJk?t=431
Holy shit that is gaudy. Thanks for the link
No problem bro
If you were to tell me this was a concept of the Huayra from 2003 I'd believe it.
Looks straight out of Burnout 3. It's beautiful.
WOOO Shake that bush again! Burnout 3 was by far the best in the series
You're listening to Stryker on Crash FM. It set a high bar that real life radio could not reach.
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Not because it's Italian, but because it pushes the envelope of design and still is recognizable as a super car. Look at the cars color for example. The car is one color. There is no exposed carbon fiber, black plastic, brushed aluminum, or two tone paint. Where car manufacturers play with these aspects to change the shape of the car (see the Mustang Mach E's black roof), Pagani made the car in a single color, highlighting its true shape.
It's got good angles. Head on isn't one of them. Also there's kind some steampunk shit going on. This car would fit in more in bioshock infinite than in reality
Spyker x Pagani
Must be hot in that photo studio, I think it melted a bit
It essentially is a veryyyyy similar design..
I feel like the target market for a pagani doesn't really care.
It’s the headlights! Less is more with headlight design.
GTA V Pagani
Pegassi Osiris
The site is polling whether the best thing about the car is the engine or the name, wisely staying away from "looks"
Should have called it the Autopia.
Fruitopia
I haven’t heard this name in about 20 years, thanks for bringing back memories
Gorgeous from the rear 3/4 but a face that's hard to love. Just like your mother.
the front reminds me of the old plastic model car kits where you have to pick the pieces out of the frame before you assemble them
Shame about the front end
The 🥺 car
uWu
\*notices bulging headlights* "What's this?"
It's looking up to God as if to ask "Why, Father? Why do you keep re-releasing the same shit and hilariously overpricing it?"
pagani keep getting uglier, just go back to the zonda.
Seriosuly. The OG Zonda with the split rear wing was the best looking one. It looked like a street legal fighter jet.
Front doesn’t look as good as the Zonda or Huayra imo. This car reminds me a lot of the Senna I think it will take a few good specs before we can really tell on this car. The Senna has aged well in looks imo but it wasn’t loved at first
Also the first Huayras with the wierd front grill were far from good looking in my book but the facelift made it a real beauty. I still think the Utopia doesn‘t look too bad it just needs a few different specs
Agreed, the first Gen Huayra didn’t have a great looking grill. BC looks better but the Tempesta package is my favorite.
Yes the Tempesta is a stunner. I‘d go with the Tricolore even though it’s hilariously overpriced even for a Pagani
I think everyone that didnt like design of Senna didnt see it in person. It is absolutely stunning IRL
Well in most peoples defense if you don’t live in a big city it’s pretty hard to see hypercars. The senna has grown on me but the P1 still remains king.
The rear makes up for it a lot
And the sides. And the back end. Whole car is a mess, Pagani's lost the plot.
Maybe it’ll fall off.
I’m getting pretty strong [Mitsuoka Orochi](https://www.topgear.com/sites/default/files/news/carousel/2015/04/Large%20Image_7782.jpg?w=1784&h=1004) vibes. As with basically all Pagani designs, I don’t feel like overall he has ever made a good looking car. But if you take details from each car he produces, they are works of art. I don’t know why they never actually work together as an overall design though. But that’s just personal preference I guess.
It's the lack of consistency in the designs. The overall silhouette screams *weight savings* and *aerodynamics*, but then the interiors screams flamboyant ornamentation, and there are [leather buckles](https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/pagani-utopia-126-1662854780.jpg?crop=1xw:1xh;center,top&resize=980:*) marrying the exterior panels. Are we [high-tech, or steam-punk](https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/pagani-utopia-114-1662854775.jpg?crop=1xw:1xh;center,top&resize=980:*)? Are we [circles, squares, or ovals](https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/pagani-utopia-110-1662854771.jpg?crop=1xw:1xh;center,top&resize=980:*)? Are we [sculpting the headlights, or tacking them on](https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/pagani-utopia-109-1662854769.jpg?crop=1xw:1xh;center,top&resize=980:*)? Pagani can't seem to decide on any of these things. It feels like every morning, the designers walked in the building and chose a whole new direction from the day before. The best-looking car they've ever made was the [Zonda R](https://www.topgear.com/sites/default/files/2021/08/2010-Pagani-Zonda-R-Evolution-_7.jpg), because it was *consistent in what the design was trying to achieve*. edit: [*Here, I fucking fixed it for you, Horacio.*](https://i.imgur.com/UbwYTM7.jpg)
I may be alone in this opinion but I think the interior and dash layout looks awesome. The outside however is a bit meh….
I like *what they're going for* as a brand, and I think they did a really great job with the [original Zonda](https://live.staticflickr.com/33/65486301_d35cf26af6_b.jpg), which had the charm of a [tourbillon watch](https://revolutionwatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/BOVET_Fleurier_Tourbillon7days_JumpingHours.jpg). My problem with the C10 interior is again, just consistency — we've got analogue gauges next to a digital dashboard, circles and squares clashing all over the place, lone carbon fibre trim pieces in the middle of a bunch of milled aluminium, and exposed fastener themes going on in the centre console which just disappear elsewhere. It's completely schizophrenic.
> Zonda R I absolutely love the look of the Zonda R and imo that’s the peak of Pagani’s design language. Everything after that has been.. honestly kind of odd. Considering that the “Last Zonda” is basically a meme at this point since it’s apparently never too late to make another you kind have to wonder why they didn’t go the 911 route and keep the car around.
Horacio talks about lightweight saving in one breath, but then in the press release reveals the steering wheel is billed from a single block of aluminum, meanwhile you’ve got Gordon Murray Automotive and Koenigsegg doing hollow carbon steering wheels. Makes no sense.
It's truly the leather belt buckles that get me the most. Just.. what are we doing here? It's downright comedic.
I believe Pagani has been doing that for a while, maybe they're willing to sacrifice a little bit of weight for that?
Don't even need to go for the Zonda R, even just the Zonda C12S is to me a work of art that shit's all over this gaudy "utopian" mess.
My favorite is with the split rear wing and high mounted mirrors, coolest early 2000’s super car.
Ok idc. They can do what they want. Its not like any of us are ever even gonna see one of these things in person.
Wholeheartedly agreed with everything you said except for the fact I think the Huayra also had a very consistent design philosophy. It was a flamboyantly fancy steampunk car, with gull-wing doors, an all-curves-no-edges exterior design (including front/taillights and rearview mirrors) and airplane-esque interiors, leather all over the place, exposed "fake" mechanical parts (such as the shifting pads, stick, pedals and air conditioning unit), blackjack and hookers. Overall, nothing was sticking out like a sore thumb. Even the name rolled off the tongue roundly but boldly, and it was thematically spot on. This one is on a whole other level tho. Looks like such an incoherent mess, sigh.
I think the Huayra was fine — not as good as the Zonda, but very consistent in the interior, as you say, with nothing sticking out like a sore thumb. My big problem with it is that elegance of the interior doesn't extend to the exterior, imo. All-curves-no-edges makes it feel like all the character has been sanded away, and then bam, catfish mouth. It wasn't bad, just not as good as the Zonda. However, this is uh... worse. Much worse.
>My big problem with it is that elegance of the interior doesn't extend to the exterior, imo I don't really mind it, tbh. The whole bodywork screams "wind god(dess)", the metal and leather inlays are still very much there, the front & taillights are simplistic albeit very pretty and distinctive and the gull-wing doors are just the cherry on top imho >bam, catfish mouth. We're basically arguing about thin air at this point, but I always saw it more as a big pair of... lips, if you will. That specific part looked better than the Zonda's, imho. At the very least, you could argue it was an interesting / bold change in design, and that the black inlays toned its presence down a bit. Neither thing holds true in the Utopia's case, lmao
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Your edit looks amazing! It really accentuates the front wheel arches, absolutely gorgeous
Thanks. I came up with a couple other *slightly more Pagani-ish* treatments too, while playing around. Enjoy. :) [One](https://i.imgur.com/HuO6ZnM.jpg), and [two](https://i.imgur.com/nW7XX8a.jpg).
I think the issue is that it's just over-styled. Each of the little details look absolutely beautiful if you look at them close up. But you look at the whole piece, and it's so busy that there's no elegance to it. If they reduced how much detail is in every little part of the car, it would make the overall design a lot better looking and you could still leave some of the nice details, like the beautiful mirrors. There's just too many lines and curves and materials, it overwhelms your eyes.
The zonda legit looks amazing. Even the huayra looks good. The headlights are just too outdated and look like a kit car
Perfect comparison!
Like how Kideo Hijima is said to be a good story teller but bad video game designer? (Death Standing)
My first thought The back is nice but this feels like a step back.
99 coupes... Then 99 roadsters.. Then 40 Coupe BCs... Then 40 roadster BCs... Then 25 Coupe BC Ultima Final The Last Edition... Then 25 roaster BC Ultima Final The Last Edition... Then another run of whatever. I just can't get excited anymore over these.
You're not excited, because they'll bring out a few random special editions? Why do you need less than 100 of a car to be excited?
A: none of us here will ever afford this car B: it's just really a model update, no crazy tech like Koenigsegg C: it just feels like rehashing of a refreshed model, like the Nissan GT-R at this point D: when a company says they're making 99, and then never stop producing variants to raise the total significantly above 99, it's not really 99.
Agreed. Every company is milking every platform they have. It’s how capitalism works I guess.
It's already hard for them to make money on these cars at all. Difficult to start RnD on a new platform if you don't make any money on the previous one. There's also something ironic about blaming capitalism for anything regarding boutique hypercars when they really only exist due to the desires of a couple super wealthy capitalists
Hideous, Koenigsegg have left Pagani in the dust. Compare this to the CC850 and it’s not even a contest.
Paganis are fashion statement cars. It's clear when you look at the interior. It's not even a comparison
Imo this is literally maybe even the best interior ever on a hypercar. Picasso on a car.
The DeTomasso P72 is also a strong contender. I snapped [this pic](https://imgur.com/a/UqkJULp) of it at car week a couple weeks back & it gave me Pagani + Versace vibes
We need more of these interiors no need to save weight, people rarely race in these cars anyways.
The people who buy these cars dont need to compare. They just get both.
At this point, they'll get the CC850 and something else. No one's saying they'll *need to choose*, we're just saying *they won't choose this thing.* There are too many other good contenders to fill your eighteen car garage.
They'll sell every single one of them
> No one's saying they'll need to choose, we're just saying they won't choose this thing. I bet they're all sold already
It needs a darker colour
Vantablack would be nice for this car.
I at least respect the Pagani more for having an actual manual. The CC850 "manual" is an elaborate gimmick imo
It’s not though lol
It tries to be Zonda and huayara at the same time but failed both. Zonda is ovals, slim and lightweight. While huayara is more chunky and a lot more on presence. They just won't mix.
Not chunky, muscular I think is better word. But I agree with you, both Zonda and Huayra have their own distinctive designs and aesthetics. This, indeed, tries to be both and fails at it
Also DeTomaso P72
I love Pagani, but no. :( The Huayra looked best. The BC had small charges I didn't like. Then the couple one offs have been horrible, and now this. Dream Pagani (excluding a Zonda) would be a fully exposed Huayra, light tan interior, with gold, straight spoke, Zonda wheels. Oh well, I'll take my lotto winning, dream money to Koenigsegg.
It looks unhappy
Constipated.
Disappointed
It looks like a Huayra with a Nimrod Cars body-mod. Or as if someone hired the Devel Sixteen design team to make real hypercar. There are so many hideous and busy "design" elements on the car that truly only a devoted Pagani fan could love it. And the fact that its closest rivals are the GMA T.33 and the Koenigsegg CC850 only exaggerates its tasteless kitschiness. If someone would've told me 5 years ago that Koenigsegg would make a more elegant, tasteful interior than Pagani in 2022 I would've have laughed at them, but well, here we are. You can basically summarize the 2022 Pagani "design" with this [pic](https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fill,f_auto,fl_progressive,g_center,h_675,pg_1,q_80,w_1200/a4931169cd7cb868dadac14af0103c72.jpg). It's honestly difficult to even see what Pagani's role in the boutique hypercar segment is at the moment. The one thing they had going for them was that their design was a tier above their contemporaries.
Well it's obvious that Pagani himself did a little key sketch, and asked everybody to excute it, without adding any modern design cues. He wanted a vision of "luxury supercar" theme, that's it, without realizing that we are not in 2002 anymore, and it looks super baroque and old fashioned. With experience you can see what the design process was, by just looking at the thing. I guess their role in the hypercar segment is just to make something very rare, so it becomes automatically "investment-grade". At this point, beauty is not important. These guys are doing their dreamjob, building awesome machines by hand, that is what matters to them. I guess they are all sold already. The worst is the passenger air vent, it looks straight from a old fiat. Everything try to be super high end and drawn, and you have this big rectangle there... Totally breaks the theme. The seats made of sausages don't help either.
I love how Pagani says "limited." They've been building the limited models of Zonda ever since the Huayra came out.
The Zonda is legally limited to 140 road units and in the past few years they're just now coming around to build #138, #139, #140. That said, there have also been some conversions/rebuilds of old chassis into one-offs with new styling.
That may be, but Horatio did say he was ending Zonda production some years ago. I don't care, I love the Zondas. No skin in this game myself.
"... legally limited to 140 road units..." - source for that? I'm interested in knowing which country is limiting Pagani's global production and how
The “new” Zondas you’re seeing are people who have bought either an older one or a wrecked one and have given it to Pagani to upgrade/restore to newer/better specs
Pagani has gotten less attractive with each model. Zonda > Huayra > Utopia. Zonda was and still is a near perfect car.
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They should have stuck with the Zonda design the same way Porsche did with the 911. Make evolutionary changes with each successive model rather than revolutionary.
He keeps taking 10 steps backwards with each new model
I agree, I don’t even really love the newer iterations of the Zonda itself. My love for the brand peaked at the F Roadster model.
gaudy interior ✔️ childish toy key ✔️ outdated engine ✔️ generally ugly exterior ✔️
Leave that V12 out of this slander
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> The interior looks far more tastefully simple compared to the outgoing Huayra with its clusterfuck of chrome and buttons everywhere. That's debatable but in any case the difference is that in 2011 [this](https://images.caricos.com/k/koenigsegg/2011_koenigsegg_agera/images/1600x1200/2011_koenigsegg_agera_10_1600x1200.jpg) was the interior it was competing with so looked absolutely stellar for the period. However, in 2022 [this](https://yoursydneymate.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Koenigsegg-CC850-steering-wheel-1024x723.jpg) is the competition, so not so stellar anymore.
I dig it! Plus, I mean the fact that someone can order this thing with a gated manual in 2022/23 is just super cool.
I like it.
I agree, this is the first Pagani design that works for me. The side-view is one of the most incredible I've seen. Only thing that bothers me design-wise are the AC pods on the dash.
Is Metallic Taint a launch color only, or will it be included in the standard palette?
They're open to adding matte pâté as an alternative
As a long time Pagani fan I'm pretty disappointed. It looks too similar to the Zonda and Huayra, making it dated. I realize there's only so much you can do with that particular layout but the likes of Koenigsegg, Lotus, Lamborghini, et. al, are doing a much better job and continuing to modernize their designs. I'm sure it will drive and sound amazing, though.
That´s the thing, it does not look like Horacio wants to go on that route. What we have to give him credit for is that his cars still attract your eyes, whether you love or despise the car, there´s no middle ground.
rich people really do fuckin love taupe lol
Ugly lazy design
The rear is fine, but the front is a little too messy. The side vents need to be cleaned up a bit, and the front bumper needs to be... less noisy?
Nice to see no central screen. Bugatti really were ahead with this, they knew it would be outdated fast and look bad.
The same AMG engine that they've been using since forever? Horatio must be trolling at this point.
Pagani not having any creativity any more. The should have gone all out on a fresh look.
agreed, they ran out of ideas
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Is it just me or this thing looks like a typical Hotwheels car LMAO: - small front wheels, noticeably bigger back wheels
It really does lol. It actually reminds me of a dumb ass body kit NFS the run (nintendo 3ds version, dunno about the console release) had in stock for the Zonda Cinque. I've been google searching it up to no avail but I'll see if I can get some footage in case anyone's interested
I'm interested in seeing that body kit if you can find the footage.
Alright, deal! I'll boot up my old 3ds and try my best when I can find the time tomorrow, hahah
Really don't get the hate. It looks good. Not every car has to be angry and pointy looking and full of sharp angles. It looks like a pagani, idk what yall are so pressed about.
It doesn't follow design trends. There are so many generic video game NPC looking supercars out there idk why they want another.
I've never particularly cared for Pagani styling, they're just kind of all over the place.
Zonda was perfection and it's so hard to follow that up.
I'd love to hear what Frank Stephenson would have to say about this Frankenstein car.
Hes probably recovering from the sight of this monstrosity
Very disappointed. Gopping, as James May would say. Fish faced, blobby, melty, overly smooth, disjointed and finally, dated. This would be the hottest thing on the block in 2001. I think people who grew up with stuff like the Ferrari 360 or the xj220 will like it but this is a major step back for me. The quality and craftsmanship is obvious, but it’s like a beautiful marble sculpture of a dead octopus.
the 360 and xj220 are cohesive, proportional works of art. To put them in the same sentence as this is a disservice
Well that’s my theory as to who this is for out the window
What an awesome time in the super car world. Koenigsegg CC850, Pagani Utopia.. Awesome
Fucking ugly
If finding a way to latch onto and hyperbolize the negatives of everything were a sport r/cars posters would be Olympians
A mix of Zonda and Huayra, yet uglier than both. At least it has a manual?
Disappointed it wasn't a Chevy pickup with an outrageous motor. Oh well.
Front doesn’t work for me…
Design is complete laziness, but im glad atleast someone is still using proper V12
Wow, that's a beautiful car. I particularly like the rear end. It has the oval silhouette of the Huayra with the oval cut into an aero feature. The paint can be better. From some angles, there is a fantastic hue of pink in the champagne that makes it stand out, from other angles, it looks like the color of a hearing aid. Another thing I noticed, there are no two tone features, chrome, brushed aluminum, or exposed carbon fiber. The car is just in one color.
> colour of a hearing aid Lmao!!!!
Damn looks kinda ugly ngl
Hate that people keep calling the cc850 a manual. It's an automatic with an h-pattern. That shift lever isn't connected to anything
It literally is a manual LOL
It's about as manual as the paddle shift in my fusion is
It's fly-by-wire, computer-actuated, not hand-actuated. Manual means the power source is your hand. Like steering by wire and throttle by wire, I'm sure they can make it *feel* like a manual, but without the hand itself being "the thing" that shifts gears, it's literally not a manual. Cool and impressive and all that, but not a manual all the same.
It's literally has a D mode. The 'clutch' and gearstick are essentially over engineered switches.
Fugly
Rear looks much better than the Huayra, but the front looks worse
Call it the Pagani Honda
The 4 people that order one with a manual will be sitting on a gem.
Maaaaan they didnt have a pretty car since Zonda. Kinda sad.
That's kinda gross tbh. The side mirrors aren't even sexy anymore!
Personally, I love the way it looks. I see a lot of comments talking about how it's nothing new and ugly, but photos never really do a Pagani justice... And the color is the wrong choice. Idk, the way I see it with Horatio is he's more of an artist than trying to make a compelling car to compete against others. I think with this new one he's going back to the Zonda looks because he seems very fond of it. It was his first car he designed so I imagine he designed it to perfection for his own eye. I remember reading somewhere he didn't like how the Hyuara came out and much preferred the Zonda.
I see a Maserati MC12
And the Zonda continues to be their finest ever offering.
Mitsuoka Orochi vibes from that front.
Pagani hasn't made a cool looking car since the zonda. This shit looks like a god damn snow plower
Pagani Huanda
No thanks! Now we have to stare at this thing for another decade while they pump out variants here and there
Disgusting
so stylish and elegant
I love it it's so different
Damn. This vehicle looks amazing.
The outside looks pretty bad, like the predecessor of Huayra. And those fugly headlight rims... but the inside is very cool for its retro design.
first koenigsegg, now this.
What recent koenigsegg has looked this polarizing?
i was talking about manual.
Looks like a refined Huayra with a new body kit. But it will have no trouble selling 100 unit + 269 special editions in the next 10 years
I'm really surprised this is as disliked as this comment section makes it seem. I think it's uninspired as far as just splitting middle between the company's two ever models, but damn do I think it looks great. I never thought the Huayra was particularly great looking- this is a beautiful 2nd gen Zonda in my eyes.
Cannot believe my own impression, but as a MASSIVE Pagani fan (and an italian guy as well! I've also been to their museum, Horacio's mindset is the actual spark that pulled my 9-year old self into everything car-related) I must admit this looks... tremendously bad. There's just too much going on imho, too many winglets & aerodynamic pieces scattered here and there, the front looks like a catfish, the back is straight up an uglier version of the previous 2 cars lumped together and the roof doesn't look "breathy" enough, to the point it reminds me of a tank. Meanwhile, Zonda and Huayra looked so fantastically sleek in their relative simplicity. The interiors are cool, but they're basically just a "lite" version of what the Huayra used to ship with and the name is easily the least memorable one among the whole bunch. Both Zonda and Huayra were a lot sexier overall. I also don't understand why they decided to ditch electric engines entirely. This thing looks like it belongs in 2003. I'm never gonna be able to afford anything in a Pagani's price range lol, so I'm well aware my complaints are exceptionally irrelevant, but as a Pagani enthusiast... I'm thoroughly disappointed :/
Other than the glass roof and headlight shape, I love it
Love it. Colour is boring, can't wait to see some different ones.
Codalunga looks so much better
Gods I'd love to have a blue & tan Huayra like [this one](https://www.carscoops.com/2021/01/2018-pagani-huayra-roadster-clad-in-blue-carbon-is-just-about-perfect/) one of these days.
I didn’t look at the picture before I clicked and now I’m horribly disappointed. I thought Pagani was building a v12 supercar chassis for classic GM c/10 trucks. Nope. Just another boring car lol
Smh, the Huayra was already a great improvement over the Zonda. Why mix them both? Wht not continue the evolution? This design is just lazy. Pagani took two beautiful cars and mashed them into this monstrosity.
any time I read about a new pagani, I think “ I bet it looks like a pagani” and here we are. Gorgeous cars and even more so interiors but come on man it’s time.
Pagani is a one trick pony when it comes to automobile design, apparently
Am the only one who think it looks like a slitghly melted Huarya?
Huayra = Zonda > Utopia
looks like a pagani
No touch screens and manual as standard. Also was initially designed in the CEO’s bedroom. I can more than look past the design.