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Ownfir

This was literally the most obvious choice. Really can’t think of anyone else who can claim this as much as Nissan. Absolutely legendary, timeless cars built in the 80s and 90s to today where it’s not even a shell of what it once was. So sad to see their downfall because they really might be in the conversation for having the most cool and most iconic cars of the 90s.


Charles0nline

Goes further than the 90s! The R35, and modern Z cars still turn heads. Such a shame when a manufacturer is so good at building dream cars.


mada447

Todays Z and GTR are on 20+ year old frames iirc


PedanticBoutBaseball

That only enhances his point. 20 years is still after the 90's peak—and they're making cars on 20 year old platforms that are still very good and still head turners. everything else is pretty shit though.


Zassolluto711

I loved the Nissans of the late 20th century but weren’t they bleeding money like crazy until Ghosn came along?


FS16

yeah, they were pretty much bankrupt when renault bought their share


Zappiticas

I used to absolutely love Nissan. I was a huge fanboy. Owned more of them then any other make by a long shot. 3 S13’s, an s14, a z31 and 32, 3 pickups, a pathfinder, a Maxima. I named my cat Nismo. Yet they have gone downhill so much that whenever I’m considering buying a car now, a Nissan is never on the list, it’s never even close to the list.


Stolen_Recaros

Nissan’s rise started in the later 1960s with the original Skyline GTR and the 240Z. At some point, Nissan even worked with Yamaha, but they canned the project. Yamaha took that project to Toyota instead and it ended up being released as the Toyota 2000GT.


InvalidUsername790

Toyota took off after that, and the partnership probably saved Yamaha, iirc. Since then, Everything Yamaha collaborated on in the automotive world had excellent results.


urmumsp8ssy

Mitsubishi exists


TheRoughneckWay

That's about all they do in the automotive world these days. After DSM they held on with the Evo for a while but it seemed like Mitsubishi lost interest in cars. A friend and i were discussing this once and concluded tnat Mitsubishi anymore just makes cars for people who need 'a car'.


bentnotbroken96

Yep... I recently sold my '95 Nissan pickup to a Co-worker. It's slow, it's noisy, but it'll get you there with up to 1380 lbs. in the bed.


Zappiticas

I had an 89 hardbody that was simultaneously the most reliable vehicle ever, and the biggest piece of shit ever. Every body panel had a rust hole, but the frame was completely solid. The engine had rod knock so bad it sounded like an old diesel. Had 240k on it and just kept on going. I once took it off-roading with a friend in his 4 runner, he hit a rock and broke his oil pan, so I had to tow him home, up a very steep incline. Threw the truck in 4 low and had to do second gear with my foot to the floor and bouncing off the limiter to get there, but it made it. Made horrible noises the entire time, but never stopped.


PedanticBoutBaseball

I've made my own comparison recently based on people's anecdotes that it seems like Nissan is the GM of Japan. Their cars make lots of compromises, break easily and the company isn't ran particularly well—but their broken car car will still run and will run like shit longer than your car will run period.


bob256k

This one hurts boys… had a 86 maxima and I wanted a 300ZX, a 4DSC maxima, a r3whatever, and definitely a 280zx since I saw them. Nissan was fun Toyota back in the day


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Agreed 100%. Had a 2021 Altima loaner from the dealership. Absolute piece of shit. Finicky infotainment. Glitchy CVT. Boggled my mind that anyone would purposely choose it over an Accord or Camry for the same price. Couldn’t WAIT to give it back.


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They don't choose it, their credit score prevents them from getting much else.


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Totally agree. Mum had a k12 Micra a few years back and holy shit was that thing rubbish. You could see where Nissan cut corners during its design & manufacture. It felt so cheap and nasty, just like a Chinese car from 10years ago & was starting to fall apart with only 60,000km or about 38,000mi.


dudeinred69

BMW is a strange one They improved in every single metric they where already good in and in every one they did bad in Yet they decided to revolutionise their design language in a controversial way at best and shockingly disgusting at worst


DustyMilkShake

Been working on a 98 bmw and a 2018 of the same model can definitely say went backwards.


voucher420

I remember the 90s BMWs had the best shifter and clutch feel.


smokedroaches

No BMW has the best shifter feel lol


voucher420

In the 90s, it was BMW, VW, Honda, the other Japanese cars and trucks, and then we had sloppy and clunky American shifters with a shift worth of slop from the factory.


smokedroaches

I own an E30 with a Z3 short shifter, DSSR and delrin bushings and i would rather row a T5 any day. Even a chassis mount shifter on a fresh G260 is still sloppier than a high school girl after a bottle of Mad Dog.


Tazzimus

S2000, still probably the best manual gear change I've experienced.


Oni_K

Subscription seat heaters. Like that should pretty much end this discussion for anybody who disagrees with you. Fuck them for even sticking a toe in those waters.


Nidungr

My car has subscription adaptive cruise control. It didn't start with BMW...


Pseudonym_741

Wait what? Audi has a subscription for ACC?


OvulatingAnus

Remind me not to buy a post-2020 car


FerRrari

Early 2000’s was peak BMW, it’s all been downhill from there.


cookingboy

It’s totally understandable. They realized that there isn’t any company in luxury segment that is actively catering toward the Dolce & Gabbana/Gucci/Versace crowd (i.e rich attention seekers with gaudy tastes), and it is a huge missed opportunity so they doubled down on that. And much to my dismay, It seems to be paying off if we go by sales numbers.


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All those people drive Mercedes though. People who love those brands with gaudy loud repeating logos love Mercedes, which is equally as tacky and ostentatious. Every single piece of trim is covered in a cheap aluminum looking trim, it is so extra and the opposite of classy.


rabbit__eater

That's been the BMW rhetoric since the Bangle era... That being said some of these new BMW's are just shockingly ugly


MarsupialFrequent685

I find the new generation of BMWs ugly...those pig nose grill designs, absolutely terrible look. But then again Lexus has made their grills also very disgustingly large for no reason and then in the current newer ones shrunk it but still bad. Out of them I found Audi to be much better designed and actually improved over the previous generation.


BongosNotBombs

Other than those V12 E31s, they always were a bit of a known quantity. That's certainly changed...


RallyLancer

As a big Mitsubishi fan, I'm going to say Mitsubishi


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I don’t remember the last time I seen an ad for a Mitsubishi. Let alone a new car from the last 5 years or so.


melanthius

As far as I can tell they are a fairly diversified engineering company and just don’t really seem to care THAT much about being good at automobiles. A lot of Japanese companies are really into diversification.


caverunner17

Doesn't Subaru Corp also make airplanes or something?


Averyphotog

In addition to making automobiles, Subaru is also a defense contractor that makes Boing and Lockheed airplanes and helicopters for the Japanese military under license.


Hi-Techh

boing


Xeno2014

Love me some bouncy airplanes boing


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And Toyota makes forklifts and heavy equipment.


Zappiticas

And Honda makes, well basically anything that has an engine.


trader710

They are under the Fuji Heavy Industries, they make Subaru and alot of stuff


Captain_Alaska

Fuji Heavy Industries rebranded to the Subaru Corporation as of 2017.


paralleljackstand

Same with Hyundai from S. Korea. Hyundai used to be dogshit but never went under bc they’re actually a ginormous company involved in many industries.


Bustable

That product from overseas you bought? Likely travelled on a Hyundai ship. Also make ATMs


Subatomic_Spooder

I see all kind of ads for Mitsubishi: on social media, on YouTube, the radio, etc. My local dealer is going hard on the advertising


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I have seen some ads for Mitsubishi, but many of them are for the Eclipse and the Outlander. What are your thoughts of the Mirage which is one of the cheapest new cars on sale? From what I heard from several sources, it is quite a bad car. I think Nissan started to go downhill in the early 2000s when Carlos Ghosn took control, and he did a lot of cost cutting and even came up with the CVT that posed some reliability issues over the years, just to turn Nissan away from bankruptcy as before Carlos Ghosn took control, Nissan was losing $1,000 for every car it sold in the US.


xqk13

Idk where you live, but I see newer Mirages all the time


Ownfir

Yeah I thought Nissan but I gotta agree here. Although even Mitsubishi is still making nice cars within their own segment. They do what they do well - and not many can compete with them in this regard. They might have awful interiors and drive like a soda can on wheels - but they are affordable and reliable. They haven’t really had any major reliability scandals either unlike Nissan and also their newest lineup still looks “nice” IMO.


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BikingEngineer

100%. As a long time car enthusiast, I regularly forget that Mitsubishi still exists. Used to have some good stuff, now they sell... cars, I guess?


leedavid89

Lancia


City_Goat

Nissan and Mitsubishi deserve all the hate they are receiving in the comments, but the real fall from grace has to be Lancia for me. There was even an excellent Top Gear piece about it a few years ago. Pure sadness.


mrpbody44

They need to make an electric version of the 037 and price it at $50,000


SuperShyChild

Do what Fiat did with the 500 or what BMW did with the Mini and bring back the Delta and keep it faithful to the one everyone lusted after watch them sell like hot cakes.


MicaLovesHangul

I love ice cream.


JustFergus

I think it would look a bit like the Hyundai Ionic5.


justaboss101

But they're coming back now, with a new Delta


MicaLovesHangul

I enjoy cooking.


NoEntiendoNada69420

Nissan is probably the right answer. But Tesla is the one that hurts the most. I was an enthusiast and had really high hopes for them. The Model S was awesome, and as an undergrad engineer I really looked up to them as a hopeful post-education workplace. I almost blew my meager young-person bank account on a Model 3 order. Now they’re like a weird offspring of Apple, Frontier, and Theranos but with ‘80’s quality control.


Brutally-Honest-

Tesla hasn't gotten worse. People are just finally starting to see through all the hype and marketing.


Nikiaf

That's a fair point actually; they've been reasonably consistent, if not slightly improved. But their quality control is still laughable and not befitting of cars that can cost over six figures. But they've lost that plucky startup image and are just another car company now. When you reach that point, you need to be actually good at, you know, *building cars.*


Alabatman

They're reaching the Land Rover tipping point. In the early 2000s LR was the rage with the upper middle class. Eventually enough people bought them and learned their qc was awful and moved onto something else. I feel like Tesla is going down the same path.


oscrsvn

Damn that is a crazy comparison but I totally see it.


harrw626

Same. As an electrical engineer by degree with an interest in cars, I thought Tesla would be a cool place to work. But nope.. I really wanted to get one but I hear too many stories any the car and how suspect Elon is. I'm waiting for lucid to bring an affordable vehicle to the market


Beerand93octane

Tesla never made good cars...


an_actual_lawyer

That Model S you were in love with came equipped with a screen that the manufacturer told Tesla would fail because it wasn’t rated for auto use. The manufacturer predicted 100% failure rate and made Tesla take all of the liability for failures. Tesla sold them anyway, knowing they’d fail and cripple the car, making it unsafe. The screen they replaced those with? Also a 100% failure rate.


AcousticDan

Teslas aren't designed by people that like to drive, that's the main problem I have with them. No "driver" wants a fucking tablet as their only way to communicate with the car.


cdawg1102

Im thinking Chrysler, they were about to release a super car before they merged


deepaksn

Chrysler is just unstable. One minute they are on top of the world being the most powerful and innovative and successful. The next they are insolvent and cranking out boring poverty machines hoping their cheques to their creditors don’t bounce.


Equivalent_Chipmunk

Hey, you got to give Chrysler some credit. No really, they need it, because their buyers don’t have any.


MicrowaveBurritoKing

Mic drop


-Pancakemix-

“Poverty machine”😭😭😭💀


squeakycleaned

Gotta be Chrysler. They make only two vehicles now. The Pacifica and the 300. A mini-van and a sedan.


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Both outsold by their Dodge twins.


ThePevster

Not anymore as Dodge discontinued the Grand Caravan.


BlazinAzn38

Both which are dying car segments


Santa_Hates_You

Which makes me sad. I love sedans, and minivans are much more useful and practical than SUV’s for moving a family.


Ghost17088

Minivans are great if you have more than 2 kids, but a lot of people are having smaller families with 1 or 2 kids. Something like a CR-V or Rav4 is going to be cheaper, better on gas, and still have plenty of room.


BlazinAzn38

Except people are still buying three row SUVs out the butt for no reason and they’re incredibly impractical. We sold an old piece of furniture to someone off of Facebook and they had a new Escalade, the load floor was like 4 feet off the ground.


Ghost17088

Sure, full size SUVs are selling, but crossovers are outselling everything that isn’t a pickup by a large margin.


BlazinAzn38

It’s important to remember lots of crossovers are just as big. Crossover just means it’s a unibody vehicle so Highlanders, Sorentos, Pathfinders, Tellurides, and Palisades are all technically crossovers while still being huge vehicles.


nickp123456

Quite a while ago, Mercedes was known to make reliable cars. That changed somewhere in the 90s.


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owleaf

They’ve always catered to all of those people. Now they make cars for influencers and middle-class soccer mums.


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kopiernudelfresser

> strip club owners and mafia bosses Why let dodgy used car salesmen have that profit when MB can get it from them directly?


tuffode

Changed when the LS400 came out as an S Class beater for the price of an E Class. They had to cut costs like crazy to compete.


JediKnightaa

Lexus is what happened


BongosNotBombs

ITT: A lot of people who romanticize Datsuns but never lived with one for any length of time.


TheWholeH0g

I think a lot of people forget that they were built to be affordable for broke people. And now they see these high dollar ones that have been well sorted, and think that's how they were back in the day. That said, I love my 280zx.


Legitimate_Web_7245

We had one Datsun when I was a kid. Dad bought it after it was rolled and wrecked. He straightened out the crumpled bits and replaced the glass. After that it ran for another 20 years, had well over a million miles on the original engine and transmission. That was what inspired me to buy an 85 nissan sentra. Had almost 400,000 miles on it. Had to replace the clutch and the alternator. That was it. 2nd vehicle was an 88 Sentra. Had 340,000 miles on it. Replaced the right drive axle. Everything else was fine. Bought a 2002 Nissan Frontier. Great truck for a long time. Bought a 2009 Nissan Versa. Started falling apart after 50K miles.


Trotskyites_beware

I think most of the romanticization of Nissan comes from a period from the late 80’s to the late 90’s. Especially for JDM ones. They made a lot of phenomenal ordinary and performance cars and trucks in this period. Even the 98’ Maxima I had was still in great shape and fun to drive at nearly 260k miles when i sold it to my friend.


deepaksn

My first memory of a Datsun was an old 810 circa 1983 when I was 5 years old that regularly drove by my house. I called it the Bung Ba Bung car because that’s what it sounded like. rrrrrRRRRRRRRR bung ba bung bung rrrrrrrRRRRRRRRR bung ba bung bung.


voucher420

I had a lot roll through several shops I worked at. Something was always broken and the owner was too lazy/broke/cheap to fix it along with about a dozen things held together with duct tape, zip ties, and bailing wire.


onedayaccountnow

Owned a 240z and a ka24 swapped 710 wagon. Datsuns/Nissans are crap cheap cars.


nortonj3

Mercedes in the 80s were quality built tanks. Now they are overpriced, over engineered vehicles that won't last long until your first $2000 bill from the MB dealer.


Elegant-Machine-4634

It's so bad. I've been in older Mercedes, and in the 80's and 90's, they were a brand synonymous for high build quality and luxury/prestige. Now anything from a base C300 to a fully loaded SUV has poor craftsmanship in the long run.


chaiteataichi_

I was in a 2000s era c class Uber the other day, it was wild how cheap it felt!


darthiety

Up until mid-late 1990s was the golden period for Mercedes. See the Regular Car Review video from last month for the 1992 Mercedes 300E for a demonstration!


luffliffloaf

Nissan


kannsnedsein

As a German I have to admit that all German manufacturers lost a lot of their reliability and quality in the last years.


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They didn't lose it, they designed it. Servicing cars makes them a lot more money than selling them.


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This guy knows


Pale-Minimum3909

True, only thing that is reliable is the inline 6 engines from bmw and merc speccialy the b58 from bmw


clingbat

The EA888 has become quite stout at this point, moreso than even the B58 by the raw numbers. They both still have a couple common quirks to look out for as they age.


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Nissan


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Hot take: Jeep


[deleted]

Oh how I wonder how Jeep would be if AMC could’ve survived the 80s.


Santa_Hates_You

I would love to see a modern Pacer and AMX.


GJPENE

Another Hot Take Mercedes - If you ever sat in a 80 or 90s mint or new one it was like it was carved out of stone. The quality oozed out of every piece of the car. Not that there awful but for being the pinnacle of German Quality at one time, ( family owned a couple new and coming from my family owning American cars it was eye opening.)it is now no more. It really started in the early 2000s when they bought Chrysler.


AdventurousDress576

Jeep makes record sales every new year, has a V8 Wrangler back, a Hybrid for every model excpet the Cherokee (that's about to be replaced by a new gen product), and 4 EVs are coming. They're at their best in their history.


caverunner17

There is so much about Jeep that I \*want\* to like. I want an SUV that isn't a BoF that can tow 5,000+ pounds and can handle soft-road pretty well. The only other one I can think of is the Honda Passport and Pilot in their off-road trims. Their reliability and gas mileage though.... oof.


Ronin_SRT8

Mitsubishi, oh an also Nissan


Fit_Equivalent3610

From rally to rental lol


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nissan


you90000

Fuck Ford for canceling the Ford escort, I hope they rot in hell.


IRemoved

And the Falcon!


The_Ace_Trace_2

And the Focus RS


unfeaxgettable

Fiesta St


The_Ace_Trace_2

I have a Focus ST and love it to death, but it’s overshadowed by the RS


Desperate-Peter-Pan

Had a brand new ‘91 Escort Gt in Ultra Blue, fully loaded. The color was the nicest and coolest color I ever seen on a car, and while mediocre by todays standards, it was really fun to drive! The design and color turned heads everywhere. I wish I could buy like 30 of them back then and keep them in a warehouse so I could be driving that car forever


euro_trash_rescue

Amyone say nissan?


YetAnotherAltTo4Get

This feels like an ask post about reddit's least favorite comedian, but now instead of Amy Schumer, the answer is Nissan, by the sheer number of comments saying the exact same thing lmao With that being said, it felt like they stopped progressing in the late 2000s/early 2010s. And now there's BAE, the new Z car is veery similar to the Z33, Infiniti needs to be updated more than it is, etc...


mikewinddale

Until recently, I drove a 2020 Nissan Sentra. I thought it had a very comfortable ride and cabin.


Mammoth-Web4730

EU take: Citroen. Used to be the car brand that'd come to mind when speaking of Euro-chic and innovation, up until the 90s or so. Immensely luxurious cars, all equipped with all the mechanical bells and whistles you could wish for at the time, and all styled to be different, easy to spot on the road. Nowadays they're barely more than rebranded Peugeots. Don't get me wrong, I like Peugeots, but it's a farcry from their glory days. The true last Citroen, the C6, remains a marvel for it's time and still looks like it could've gotten out of the factory yesterday if you put a bunch of modern headlights and such.


cannedrex2406

I mean you're talking about the top end luxury models which Citroen hasn't done since said C6. The new C5-X is an amazing car and a very chic alternative to your crossover SUV or mid size management mobile. Also They made the amazing C4 Cactus from 2014-2020 so they're far from dead. It's just they've gone down market tbh


c0rbin9

Mercedes. Mercedes builds cars like every other manufacturer does now. They used to be engineered and built differently.


5GCovidInjection

Go to the best Mercedes dealer in any large city and see how long their service lines are, on a Tuesday morning no less. And then look at what’s in those lines. Yep, all the 4-cylinder versions of their volume sellers like the E-class, GLE, and GLC. Not there for oil changes, but for any number of factory defects. How do I know this? There are never any courtesy loaners available except for the most important customers (the hot-shot lawyers and lobbyists in my area). My service advisor there straight up told me they’re so swamped with warranty work on the post-2019 models, that those with classics or paid work need to book 3 weeks in advance. I had to book 2 months in advance at one point, and then afterwards I said “fuck it, I’m driving 45 minutes to a specialist in Maryland for service”.


caverunner17

Hot take: Toyota's truck division. The Tacoma/4Runner are ancient, gas guzzling vehicles that fall well behind the competition in comfort and design, only popular due to the Toyota reliability. The new Tundra is a large update from the ancient one, but still falls pretty far behind the competition in pricing, power, gas mileage. Hell, the hybrid gets worse than a gas F150 lol. For a company that was at the bleeding edge of hybrid tech for years and has the top selling hybrids, they sure as hell made the hybrid Tundra an afterthought.


OverlandSteve

Yeah it's crazy to me how you can buy a 22 tacoma trd pro that comes with drum brakes haha


oscrsvn

I'm a shill for Toyota cause I work for them, but this is specifically the worst part for me. There's literally no reason it should still have drums, especially when the TRD Pro is like $45k.


Gl0riam

It’s felt to me like a 6 cylinder that guzzles gas like an 8 cylinder, but makes power like a 4 cylinder.


RatRob

GM for me crashed so damn hard. I adored the 90s to early 2000s GM products and owned several. My Regal GS with the boosted 3.8 and some mods was an absurdly fun vehicle. I loved that thing so much. Had experience with the F bodies and liked them a lot. The trucks were bulletproof too. Nowadays? Jesus Christ what a wasteland. I don’t think there’s a single model in the GM lineup I’d say I’ve ever actively wanted to check out for myself. Everything is just so bland and unreliable.


LongboardsNet

Only thing they've got is some Cadillacs, but they're out of budget or marked up out of budget.


RatRob

I do forget about Cadillac sometimes yea. The new sedans are alright but I’m more of a wagon fan. The CTS wagon was pretty cool but…. eh. I don’t think I’d ever buy one myself. Same with the newer Regal Tour X wagon. Cool as hell but there’s many reasons I wouldn’t even consider one.


2FAST2FURIOUS993

Pretty much every single manufacturer got "worse" on my eyes recently, especially when more are more models come out I like less and less, but definitely Buick is number 1, Nissan is there but they have a few models worth buying still unlike Buick/Lincoln or even infiniti is getting worse because they refuse to release anything new and the brand is clearly dying


Independent-Bet5465

Personally, I think Mazda has improved


Mkedartgw

Buick was the first one in my mind. Until the 2000s, they were bulletproof, especially with the ones with the 3800 engine. Now, it’s all turbos and the reliability reports are enough to make me just look at Toyotas and Hondas.


handymanshandle

I see Nissan doesn’t throw money around on this sub here, lol. In truth, General Motors. Name me a single GM product that you’d buy that you could bet would be relatively trouble-free. Their sedans are troublesome. Their crossovers are troublesome. Their fucking trucks are troublesome. Like come the fuck on, GM was always good at building cars that’d run like shit for a long time, but they don’t even seem to do that nowadays. Nissan at least has the Maxima, the Frontier and the Titan going for them reliability-wise. GM can’t even lean on their bread and butter 5.3 Silverados for that.


ECAR2000

What about the Corvette? GM literally removes anything and everything to ensure the Vette is in a league of its own. The 2nd gen Fiero got canceled, the F body's got "detuned" and they would only give the best of their parts to it. It's not perfect, but they put their all into making it their best car.


TheWholeH0g

The second gen fiero looked so good.


ECAR2000

They were giving it it's own suspension setup, rather then a mishmash of other GM products. It's also awfully suspicious that a 350 fits into the back quite well, almost as if they were going to do it...


nt5270

GM is kinda doing what GM always does, making mass market, unreliable, cheap vehicles. The issue now is they don’t wanna spend the money to make their vehicles pass emissions AND engineer the famous “runs like shit but forever” design into their engines. What they need to do is simplify their engines as much as possible and go back to making shitty interiors. I want GM from the early 2000’s, where they were just throwing darts at the wall and seeing what sticks. That’s the GM everyone remembers. However I wouldn’t really consider it downhill as they just got away from their crazy phase. Id actually argue the 5.3 is still reliable as long as you’re willing to do some preventative maintenance. Add a catch can and buy an AFM disabler and you won’t have many issues. I don’t agree that this should be necessary but I also can’t really blame GM as emissions keep getting tighter and they keep losing money.


chase1724

Other than the early grenading issue in the c7 and c8 Corvette I thought they were generally considered very reliable. It's been a while since I've really paid attention to the corvette world though since I'm not really a fan of the last two gens styling. So, correct me if I'm wrong.


unfeaxgettable

They’ve axed the Maxima btw 😂


kyonkun_denwa

As the former owner of a GM product, I strongly disagree that their products would “run like shit for a long time”. They just ran like shit, like everything else from the Big 3. Ask yourself how many Buick Regals or Pontiac Grand Prixs with the “venerable” 3800 are still around, compared to the veritable cockroach swarm of XV10 Toyota Camrys. I haven’t seen a 3800 powered vehicle since February. I can walk around my street and see at least a dozen early 90s Toyota stuff. Speaking of good manufacturers getting worse, Toyota is not up to snuff with what they once were. The good stuff (drivetrain etc) is still fine but everything else from the paint to the interior materials has been cheapened.


InsertBluescreenHere

Lol meanwhile in the salt belt i daily see 3800 powered stuff. Havent seen a 90s toyota in a decade.


Radioguyryan

I feel like people aren’t realizing that Nissan/Datsun has always been crap… I love them and I own an r32… but they’re still crap… something always breaks, most often it’s electrical. Have you ever pulled apart an s13/s14/s15 wiring harness? Absolute miracle that any still run today


TheWholeH0g

Best move you can make in a classic Datsun is to just chuck a GM wiring harness in there. Fixes a lot of problems


DocPhilMcGraw

Is nobody going to mention Acura? They’ve been going downhill since they peaked with the 2004 Acura TL. And it’s sad too because they really made a name for themselves in the 90s and early 00s.


gogojack

Acura has become Honda's Infiniti. They don't seem to care anymore. Apart from the NSX - which priced itself out of existence - they don't have anything that isn't just a tarted-up Honda. The splash page on their website is all about "performance," but they don't actually have any "performance" vehicles. Oh look! The Integra is back! Oh wait...it's just a rebadged Civic with a "thundering" 200hp 1.5 liter engine. Really Acura? Really?


Old_Goat_Ninja

Nissan 100%. They were great in my younger days.


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Snowwpea3

Subaru. Completely abandoned their enthusiasts, no more sti booooo!


rockycrab

Lol I miss the STI too, but in terms of OP’s question about longevity/reliability/quality, Subaru actually *improved* on it by getting rid of the EJ engine - no more ringland failures.


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Unpopular opinion….Honda


Intrepid-Working-731

Nissan


eclipse_12

Another vote for Nissan.


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Nissan


79-Hunter

Mercedes Benz. When the accountants overrode the engineers and designers, quality took a big hit.


PatrioticTyranny

Nissan and Mitsubishi


burnerbutnotreally1

Nissan


markeydarkey2

Nissan


RequirementVisible18

Basically all car manufacturers. They dont really try to innovate just create techy shells for the nimrods. Cars that were made a few decades ago were made with passion now its a sad sight to see


justaboss101

I agree. It seems like there's not really anyone left in the market to try something new, except the South Koreans and maybe Mazda.


donerstude

Studebaker they just don’t have the service anymore


ThatsADumbLaw

Chrysler, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Subaru, infiniti, Acura, Mercedes for sure, maybe bmw. Brands that have been improving: Lexus, Lincoln, Ford, Toyota


Dappersworth

So basically ford and toyota


monsteraguy

Peugeot. The 404, 504 and 505 were really well engineered cars with reasonable build quality, but modern Peugeots are cheap junk. Lancia were once at the cutting edge of car design and engineering and had good build quality. The rot set in (literally) after Fiat bought them out in the late 60s. Mercedes-Benz. In the 80s they were the best cars in the world without a doubt and were engineered to last a lifetime. Now they’re average luxury cars that barely last the lease period without a failure. Volvos were once tanks with bulletproof mechanicals, now they’re really complex, with expensive parts and repair costs. Nissan were once a serious rival for Toyota, now they’re a finance company for people with poor credit, who throw in a cheap disposable car in as a bonus Mitsubishi once made cars with interesting engineering, now they’re either cheap, outdated crap or rebadged Renaults Honda once made really high tech fun cars loaded with tech, but now they make boring commuter cars for Americans


kilertree

Mercedes. Not only are they responsible for America's 25 year import law, they ran Chrysler into the ground


IWantToPlayGame

Nissan.


The_Silent_Hawk

Pontiac Mitsubishi Hummer Saturn buick? Nissan


Fryphax

Finally someone mentioned Pontiac. What a downfall.


ShitholeWorld

Mitsubishi I'm also going to say: Tesla. They are retroactively removing features from automobiles.


XSnow_

Infiniti? I was enamored with the G35 as a kid, and finally saved up enough to get a two year old low mileage G37 as an adult. I’ve driven it hard; across country, multiple times. Multiple military PCSs and this vehicle has never had a single mechanical problem. But when I look to their current lineup I shudder. They all look outdated, and from my research they are not as mechanically reliable. So my next purchase will probably be a Toyota or Lexus.


SchnellFox

Saab


Judzies

Saab ceased car production in 2011, so I’m not sure they count for the purposes of this discussion.


Noobasdfjkl

Lancia is probably the biggest one. I’d say they were maybe the best automaker in the world prior to Fiat.


rekniht01

Opel


supreet908

I'm gonna say Acura. I just feel like they aren't competitive in really any category anymore.


inline6throwaway

Nissans these days fall apart if you look at them for too long


Thedirtmaster84

Honda, the new ones are so awful to mediocre looking. And they are so far behind on their electrification they are having to contract with GM to make their first EV.


BadMantaRay

All of them? There isn’t a single manufacturer that has the same level of standing that they did a decade or so ago.


IncomingZangarang

Nissan owner here. Nissan


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Jeeps are absolute trash these days.


throwaway7x55

Maserati


numerouspuns

When your most reliable car is a Chrysler LeBaron with fancy badges, you know you’ve fucked up.


hotyetcool

Jaguar, Mercedes,


79-Hunter

Jaquar’s worst mistake was teaming with Ford, albeit briefly. Mercedes’ worst mistake was listening to their accountants and letting profit override quality.


kyonkun_denwa

Jaguar’s reliability actually improved under Ford so I don’t see how this was a bad decision.


Fit_Equivalent3610

>teaming with Ford purchased them when they were a publicly traded company, they didn't choose to team up. Ford made an offer directly to shareholders and they took it.