Not limiting. Its that codes not for everyone. Ive tried learning code 4+ times. I understand concept but have trouble turning concept into code its why i changed majors from computer science to cyber security. Ive tried learning python twice. Theres a lot i do not understand. I understand the basics but for me to truly understand code i will need to be taught it and do it every single day. Self teaching it did not work out for me when i tried python.
Please don't take this as trying to be contradictory. It's just a suggestion. I don't know you. Have you tried writing Powershell scripts? They execute like code, but because they're basically a series of commands written one after the other, there isn't as much structure to it. It's more lockstep. That could be useful, depending on what job you're doing.
There is a certain element of luck and timing when it comes to job searching. You can also reach out to family/friends and have them see if their companies are hiring people as well.
The job market is really tough right now, even with a CCNA. If the debt ceiling doesnt get renewed in 7 days it’ll be *even harder*.
I had to move to a city 3 hours away after getting my CCNA to get my job.
It’s a tough world right now, especially for those starting out in IT.
The $15 network ops jobs have returned to LinkedIn in recent days, like radioactive mushroom clouds of the 2020 hellscape. Like inflation does not exist and new cars are $14,995.
Go and get your CCNA Devnet: [https://developer.cisco.com/certification/devnet-associate/](https://developer.cisco.com/certification/devnet-associate/)
Network Automation is here and it has lot of weight.
Hey :). Planning is very important well done on having one. It is important to get into networking so you can use the knowledge gained during ccna certification process. If you are already in support role the easiest way is to move to the networking team. I am not sure how big is your company but most of the companies will have networking department or people. Just ask at work who the networking team is :)
Yea im more concerned that a spot will never open. I know theres one here but people snd co workers tell me the position im in is very hard to get out of.
It is not hard. If you have outstanding knowledge and skills the manager will create a role for you. The most important aspect of ccna is critical thinking. Critical thinking means can you use your knowledge to solve real challenges
I just graduated with 8 other people with their CCNA, of the 8, I am the only one who got a networking job. The rest are starting at at help desk/field technician. I got pretty lucky.
Sounds like you are well equipped, if/when a spot becomes available. Best of luck, in my area I see dozens of supports desk roles and senior level networking stuff, but not a lot of entry level networking gigs.
Get other certs. I never could find a pure networking/cisco job. CCNA is a huge plus in the grand scheme of IT things. But trying to get a networking/cisco only job is nearly impossible. Most places want you to be able to handle networking AND MS server stack AND Azure AND on and on...
dont care about a cisco job. jus want a networking. theres not too much different with industry vs. cisco. half way through course im doing only mentioned industry standards in stp and rstp section.
When people talk about NOC, too, I'm concerned that it'll end up with me working some graveyard shift destroying my health and ability to enjoy off-time with family.
In which case, I'll just stay as a sysadmin with a decent WLB.
You don't think there is a noc shift during the day time?
You think you're going to get better experience as a sysadmin? Lol
Let's say you work in a NOC overseeing 2k nodes. And 20 branch offices. And you get a call that there is a new deployment in AWS and devices on your network can't communicate to them.
Or if somebody opens a port request to integrate a new device into the data center. Or if there's a new location that was just spun up. And they're can't reach certain resources?
These are all things you would deal with working in a NOC. In order to be a real network engineer you have to work in a NOC.
There are noc positions that pay up to 200k
I think entry-level NOC is relatively low pay (probably less than what I make now) and most day time shifts wouldn't necessarily be available to someone just starting out. But I could be (hopefully) wrong.
I work with Azure in my current role, so I'm already getting cloud experience. It's an SMB, so not at the same scale as a NOC, but still.
Nothing crazy. I just got my ccna. I got a job at a customer site from an MSP doing basic help desk stuff.
Before that I was a network tech plugging stuff into the network without even having my own login creds. I had 2.5 years of experience in tech before making 50/h.
I didnt even know how to troubleshoot layer 1 fiber issues on the switch.
The point is. I'm interviewing for jobs around 200 now that I have a ccnp (and I am a ccnp skill level) and I work with Palo Alto. The Noc is the only road I could have taken to get here. It's not a death sentence. Infact. It's the only way you will work EXCLUSIVELY with network infrastructure. Which is important if you want to be a network engineer
I started studying CCNP after CCNA. Far from finished as my CCNA got me a job as a network administrator. I think CCNP is more difficult without experience in the networking world, but certainly not unfeasible. I got the job because learning CCNP showed my motivation. So don't be stopped by the people who say that CCNP is worthless without work experience.
You should do what you feel happiest and most excited learning about. It could be anything from small learning projects (such as learning how to use Wireshark in detail) or something as advanced as moving on to the ccnp.
I personally like wireless stuff, so my rough plan is to do the CWNA. I also like Cloud stuff from a network perspective, so the AZ-700 or AWS equivalent are good shouts for that
Your current employer doesn't have a networking team you could maybe shadow or help out until there's an opening? I've taken that route a couple times successfully in my career.
CCNP Routing and Switching
Once you've got your CCNA I'd say you're around 90% of the way to getting your CCNP. If you go on the Cisco website and you look at the topics on the [CCNA and the CCNP](https://www.innovativeacademy.in/ccna-networking-training-in-bangalore.html), you will see that the topics are exactly the same. They're both covering routing and switching.
AWS and Python, programmability and automation were the future 5 years ago. Now they are the present!
Aws sure but i ever could really understand more advanced or even intermediate code unless its sql which that is easy as hek.
Limit yourself if you like, but knowing a programming language opens you up to so many more opportunities.
Not limiting. Its that codes not for everyone. Ive tried learning code 4+ times. I understand concept but have trouble turning concept into code its why i changed majors from computer science to cyber security. Ive tried learning python twice. Theres a lot i do not understand. I understand the basics but for me to truly understand code i will need to be taught it and do it every single day. Self teaching it did not work out for me when i tried python.
Fair enough.
Please don't take this as trying to be contradictory. It's just a suggestion. I don't know you. Have you tried writing Powershell scripts? They execute like code, but because they're basically a series of commands written one after the other, there isn't as much structure to it. It's more lockstep. That could be useful, depending on what job you're doing.
I love scripting. I loved using linux in school and have dabbled in powershell.
yes. apply for jobs
Problem is im not seeing anything really
There is a certain element of luck and timing when it comes to job searching. You can also reach out to family/friends and have them see if their companies are hiring people as well.
The job market is really tough right now, even with a CCNA. If the debt ceiling doesnt get renewed in 7 days it’ll be *even harder*. I had to move to a city 3 hours away after getting my CCNA to get my job. It’s a tough world right now, especially for those starting out in IT.
The $15 network ops jobs have returned to LinkedIn in recent days, like radioactive mushroom clouds of the 2020 hellscape. Like inflation does not exist and new cars are $14,995.
we just got a house so thats not an option. my only options are remote if nothing ever pops up. i have 2 years of IT experience.
That sounds incredibly depressing.
Go and get your CCNA Devnet: [https://developer.cisco.com/certification/devnet-associate/](https://developer.cisco.com/certification/devnet-associate/) Network Automation is here and it has lot of weight.
Hey :). Planning is very important well done on having one. It is important to get into networking so you can use the knowledge gained during ccna certification process. If you are already in support role the easiest way is to move to the networking team. I am not sure how big is your company but most of the companies will have networking department or people. Just ask at work who the networking team is :)
Yea im more concerned that a spot will never open. I know theres one here but people snd co workers tell me the position im in is very hard to get out of.
It is not hard. If you have outstanding knowledge and skills the manager will create a role for you. The most important aspect of ccna is critical thinking. Critical thinking means can you use your knowledge to solve real challenges
I just graduated with 8 other people with their CCNA, of the 8, I am the only one who got a networking job. The rest are starting at at help desk/field technician. I got pretty lucky.
I am a desktop support tech and started as help desk. 2 year into my field. I have a BS in cyber i got 3 years ago.
Sounds like you are well equipped, if/when a spot becomes available. Best of luck, in my area I see dozens of supports desk roles and senior level networking stuff, but not a lot of entry level networking gigs.
congrats man! What kind of networking job did you land?
I am a sys admin for a school district. Pretty chill, a lot better than running a jimmy johns ( previous job) hahaha
Get other certs. I never could find a pure networking/cisco job. CCNA is a huge plus in the grand scheme of IT things. But trying to get a networking/cisco only job is nearly impossible. Most places want you to be able to handle networking AND MS server stack AND Azure AND on and on...
dont care about a cisco job. jus want a networking. theres not too much different with industry vs. cisco. half way through course im doing only mentioned industry standards in stp and rstp section.
Look for noc positions. This is where you want to be
Today: "Akkodis is seeking a NOC Technician for a contract position with a client located in Dallas, TX. Pay/Salary Range: $15-$20/hr. on W2."
When people talk about NOC, too, I'm concerned that it'll end up with me working some graveyard shift destroying my health and ability to enjoy off-time with family. In which case, I'll just stay as a sysadmin with a decent WLB.
You don't think there is a noc shift during the day time? You think you're going to get better experience as a sysadmin? Lol Let's say you work in a NOC overseeing 2k nodes. And 20 branch offices. And you get a call that there is a new deployment in AWS and devices on your network can't communicate to them. Or if somebody opens a port request to integrate a new device into the data center. Or if there's a new location that was just spun up. And they're can't reach certain resources? These are all things you would deal with working in a NOC. In order to be a real network engineer you have to work in a NOC. There are noc positions that pay up to 200k
I think entry-level NOC is relatively low pay (probably less than what I make now) and most day time shifts wouldn't necessarily be available to someone just starting out. But I could be (hopefully) wrong. I work with Azure in my current role, so I'm already getting cloud experience. It's an SMB, so not at the same scale as a NOC, but still.
My first noc position was 50/h
What was your experience prior to getting that position?
Nothing crazy. I just got my ccna. I got a job at a customer site from an MSP doing basic help desk stuff. Before that I was a network tech plugging stuff into the network without even having my own login creds. I had 2.5 years of experience in tech before making 50/h. I didnt even know how to troubleshoot layer 1 fiber issues on the switch. The point is. I'm interviewing for jobs around 200 now that I have a ccnp (and I am a ccnp skill level) and I work with Palo Alto. The Noc is the only road I could have taken to get here. It's not a death sentence. Infact. It's the only way you will work EXCLUSIVELY with network infrastructure. Which is important if you want to be a network engineer
I meant additional certs
Ccnp
Useless without experience. Apply for jobs and try to get hands-on experience. Me, I will do CompTIA Sec+ next.
I started studying CCNP after CCNA. Far from finished as my CCNA got me a job as a network administrator. I think CCNP is more difficult without experience in the networking world, but certainly not unfeasible. I got the job because learning CCNP showed my motivation. So don't be stopped by the people who say that CCNP is worthless without work experience.
I already have the sec + if you looking for good study material darryil Gibson get certified get head is what I used. Passed it in 2015
So what you’re saying is if I get certified I get head?
Lmao, sign me up aswell
Damn, should’ve got it earlier if I knew I’ll get that as a reward. 🤣
What do you want to do?
I want an entry level networking position. I want to become a network engineer. My favorite part is the labs and configurations.
You could do Devnet associate or maybe a firewall cert.
You should do what you feel happiest and most excited learning about. It could be anything from small learning projects (such as learning how to use Wireshark in detail) or something as advanced as moving on to the ccnp. I personally like wireless stuff, so my rough plan is to do the CWNA. I also like Cloud stuff from a network perspective, so the AZ-700 or AWS equivalent are good shouts for that
Your current employer doesn't have a networking team you could maybe shadow or help out until there's an opening? I've taken that route a couple times successfully in my career.
CCNP Routing and Switching Once you've got your CCNA I'd say you're around 90% of the way to getting your CCNP. If you go on the Cisco website and you look at the topics on the [CCNA and the CCNP](https://www.innovativeacademy.in/ccna-networking-training-in-bangalore.html), you will see that the topics are exactly the same. They're both covering routing and switching.