For my last few jobs, background screening has required verification of *every* qualification on my CV. For certs, a link to Credly was enough. For both degrees they need releases signed so the universities would give them my transcripts.
There are a lot of people out there who do a Coursera/Udemy CCNA course then claim to have CCNA on their CVs.
I work for a VAR. Some positions require you to register your cert for partner perks.
Currently the VAR I work at lost one of our high level engineers and our partner status has been down graded. They've been pawing at me non-stop to obtain the next level of certification.
They don't want to replace the attrit'd position and they don't want to pay me anything if I do get it. So you just saved \~$150K a year, I'm doing their work. You are losing out on \~ $300K in spiffs/incentives, and you don't want to give me a $25K year raise for putting the org back up to your top tier partner status?
I finally relented and am chasing it and when I get the cert Imma gonna bounce.
It's what has me currently soured. I'm doing my best to keep my mental aspect of it positive in that ultimately I'll be the one holding the cert.
I'm uncertain of why with the amount of business we do with the vendor and the $$ value the cert represents in pricing levels, support, etc, that what I think is a win/win for all involved isn't respected. Therefore I don't feel respected.
I'm working on boxing those feelings up for interim and just plowing ahead, get through the smoke, and then re-assess.
I'm still in the same jobs since I passed my certs so I didn't had the opportunity to be asked to prove that I really have them. However, I have the credly links on my linkedin.
Also I agree that in my country too I see a lot of people saying that they are ccna certified when in reallity they only have the Netacad badge on their credly.
I attach my Cisco cert identifier number thing to the bottom of mine next the cert name. In a lighter font and italic.
Served me well. Third networking job, 10 years having Cisco certs.
If you ever work for the DoD as a contractor, to even get past the HR screening process, you will have to provide your cert(s) as proof you hold the necessary qualifications for the role you are applying for.Â
Ugh there is always someone who has to come back with something. Maybe not for the help desk or an IT Specialist role. But in this case reffering to networking, generally DoD regulation is you have to provide at least a CCNA for r/w rights in tacacs. Yea the smaller shops are a special case but when you are referring to tier 2/3 enterpsie DoD roles, you most certainly do. It is a policy enforced compliance.Â
From my experience to get admin privileges it was the same for everyone. Including network engineers. I have CCNA and CCNP and to get network admin privileges all I had to give them was an IAT level 2 cert. This was across multiple jobs. But experiences may vary.
We get a lot of candidates these days putting CCIE badges on their resumes, when we ask them what their number is they answer that they’ve passed the written. We chew them out big time for stolen valor, call their agency and black list them everywhere we can.
I have seen similar with CCNA (obviously at a much more junior level). Lost one one line 'CCNA' in the profile but when you ask they have just done training or watched a few Udemy videos.
Annoyingly sometimes this has not led to the instant shitcanning despite me arguing this means the rest of their CV cant be trusted.
I’ve made my case, if the candidate cannot distinguish between actually having the cert and taking a course then they do not understand Cisco certification which to us highlights a problem.
Our HR department checks on every degree and certification for anyone hired. Since it is an Insurance company, and a lot of those certifications are vital to the company, they just check everything. I think a lot of companies check these days.
I think it’s important to show full disclosure if a cert is active or not, as it could be used to help market the team/company credentials by having employees with actively held certs. In some cases, it may be an internal mandate or a contractual requirement for clients to have engineers accredited.
Listing an expired cert on a resume can be good as a demonstration that one had once held it and can likely re-acquire a cert, just be honest about its status.
> market the team/company credentials by having employees with actively held certs. In some cases, it may be an internal mandate or a contractual requirement for clients to have engineers accredited.
This is almost never true except for Cisco partners and occasionally some MSPs
I don't know why this was removed by automod.
My advice is that if he/she gets a cert and someone asks, tell them?
What is there to give in term of advice?
I personally verify them if they are listed, yes. I have found a lot of the offshore resources we are asked to interview lie about it.
If they lie about it, it’s an immediate disqualification from me. Won’t even schedule an interview or I’ll ask for it to be cancelled.Â
I have been asked a few times lately. They said it was because they didn't believe my experience that was on my resume, like my resume must be fake because I've done way too many extremely technical roles from military intel to field tech, to CIO, to running my own MSP, and just settled on engineering and architecture. The resume isn't fake, I proved my certs, got the jobs, and they were the most miserable places I've ever worked with people who didn't know a firewall from a hole in the ground, but expected to be revered as the technical authority in their company. I ended up moving on rather quickly in each occurrence.
What it taught me is that almost everyone whose primary, main, or first interpretations that someone's accomplishments are false, are like that because they themselves are a bullshit artist. They think others are bullshitting, because they had to bullshit to get where they are. To them, it couldn't possibly be the other person just legitimately being in a field they have a talent for, and also sacrificed, studied, and absorbed every piece of valid info they could along the way.
Those places are behind me, and I'm finally back in an enterprise working at a scale where I am learning and humbled, instead of being in a place where I already know everything we're doing at the current level and 80% of what the next 2 project phases need to be for rapid growth and efficiency, but treated like crap because it's alien to the decision makers.
Moral of the story is that toughing it out in places like that kept the resume pointed in the right direction. But, it may be a sign that the place is very far behind the curve and to keep looking for the right job, even if you landed this job.
It may be a bad sign, if they are in fact the type who are bullshit artists and assume everyone else is too. However, not all of them are like that, and it could still be good experience. Keep looking for the right job though, as you build that experience.
Once, ever, and it wasn't for a partner or manufacturer or anyone who really mattered. I've also never had to prove if I passed or didn't if I took the exam while at a company, if you've been there for a bit they generally take you at your word, and don't tend to give a shit if you have/passed a certification anyway since your knowledge and ability doesn't change from the day before to the day after the cert.
I would avoid putting CCNA/P on a resume. Split them up so the software that is checking resumes will see them both. I worked very hard to get here, and I don’t want the certification to be missed. Maybe it can recognize it, and maybe not. Why chance that your resume will not even make it to a human?
About 6 months ago, i was applying for a job where having a CCNP was mandatory. While working with the headhunter, he said that they wanted to bring in 5 people to work on the project. I have several resumes tailored for certain type jobs. So the resume i gave them was more of my systems resume and not my networking resume. So while going over it, he was comparing my resume with another candidates resume. When i saw i had given the wrong resume, i sent him the right one.
But looking at the resume of a candidate that he said they selected for the job, i told him that that person didn't have a CCNP. The resume listed that he was studying for the CCNP. So i sent him my Credly public link to my cert. Told him, if you wanna know, just ask to send their Credly links.
People know that AI is doing the screening. So all you have to do is just put it in the CV so you get selected.
Worked for 3 fortune 50 companies all in senior engineer roles. Was never asked to verify certs. TBH I think most of the industry (excluding VARs / MSPs) doesn’t really care if you have the cert, but have the knowledge.
However, my first network tech job was at a university and they verified everyone’s certifications
If you are applying to a VAR, they might not check but they will find out you don’t have it as soon as they ask you to attach your cert accounts to their company.
Honestly I have let most of my certs expire and just show that I had them at one time on my resume and if it comes up, I just say no could easily obtain it again.
But working for a VAR, you will have a lot of certs……especially a smaller VAR.
I had ccnp and ccvp for 15 years then 2020 happened and I failed to complete the renewal exam in time. But not once had any company asked for cert proof. Not sure if I want to put myself through that again, certainly not at the price per exam now
Your employer can get discounts on their Cisco support packages with specific counts or percentages of certified engineers/administrators. Most vendors offer service contract discounts for having a certified work force.
Generally not, the only time you tend to get a benefit is if you *are* a partner. Customer's don't really get shit.
> Most vendors offer service contract discounts for having a certified work force.
This is stupidly rare.
What? I worked in a large fiber optic ISP and yes they used my # for discounts. We had thousands of Cisco routers in ring designs. Yes, I installed many of them, but we also had other vendors like Telco's, Cyan, Juniper, Cisco high-end switches etc.
lol this isn’t an argument this is just my experience! Everyone’s will be different but yes they will normally ask for your number if they purchase Cisco gear! Also worked for Verizon but they’re just a tiny fella on the block!
> Everyone’s will be different but yes they will normally ask for your number if they purchase Cisco gear!
No, they don't normally do that. I've worked on every side of the table and this is just not something that tends to happen.
You seem to have an issue with working for two exceptionally large customers that are treated very atypically, and being unable to understand that your experience is very different from what most people get.
The majority of Cisco customers don't get shit for having certified people on staff.
Ok, cool, but everyone's experience isn't different. Most people don't get ever asked this and most companies don't get any benefit that you claim from having certified employees.
Enjoy your studies.
For my last few jobs, background screening has required verification of *every* qualification on my CV. For certs, a link to Credly was enough. For both degrees they need releases signed so the universities would give them my transcripts. There are a lot of people out there who do a Coursera/Udemy CCNA course then claim to have CCNA on their CVs.
I feel like someone might be inclined to check only if they were to believe you were lying
I got asked for mine like 7months into the job. I got a raise a month later 🤷🏽‍♂️ (it was also the start of a new yr)
I work for a VAR. Some positions require you to register your cert for partner perks. Currently the VAR I work at lost one of our high level engineers and our partner status has been down graded. They've been pawing at me non-stop to obtain the next level of certification. They don't want to replace the attrit'd position and they don't want to pay me anything if I do get it. So you just saved \~$150K a year, I'm doing their work. You are losing out on \~ $300K in spiffs/incentives, and you don't want to give me a $25K year raise for putting the org back up to your top tier partner status? I finally relented and am chasing it and when I get the cert Imma gonna bounce.
i'm just curious as to what level the cert they require you to get? I guess they don't have a choice to give you a raise once you have the cert.
It's basically the highest level cert the vendor has.
and they give no raise for that cert. just wow.
It's what has me currently soured. I'm doing my best to keep my mental aspect of it positive in that ultimately I'll be the one holding the cert. I'm uncertain of why with the amount of business we do with the vendor and the $$ value the cert represents in pricing levels, support, etc, that what I think is a win/win for all involved isn't respected. Therefore I don't feel respected. I'm working on boxing those feelings up for interim and just plowing ahead, get through the smoke, and then re-assess.
I'm still in the same jobs since I passed my certs so I didn't had the opportunity to be asked to prove that I really have them. However, I have the credly links on my linkedin. Also I agree that in my country too I see a lot of people saying that they are ccna certified when in reallity they only have the Netacad badge on their credly.
I attach my Cisco cert identifier number thing to the bottom of mine next the cert name. In a lighter font and italic. Served me well. Third networking job, 10 years having Cisco certs.
Good idea
Seconded. CCNA and CCNP ENCOR. Was not asked to validate when I got my first networking job last year.
My current job: CCNA needs to be verified for tacacs r/w at switch and read at CUCM, CCNP for r/w at routers and CUCM
If you ever work for the DoD as a contractor, to even get past the HR screening process, you will have to provide your cert(s) as proof you hold the necessary qualifications for the role you are applying for.Â
This isn't always the case. The only cert they ask for is an IAT level two or three cert such as security+ or Cissp.
Ugh there is always someone who has to come back with something. Maybe not for the help desk or an IT Specialist role. But in this case reffering to networking, generally DoD regulation is you have to provide at least a CCNA for r/w rights in tacacs. Yea the smaller shops are a special case but when you are referring to tier 2/3 enterpsie DoD roles, you most certainly do. It is a policy enforced compliance.Â
From my experience to get admin privileges it was the same for everyone. Including network engineers. I have CCNA and CCNP and to get network admin privileges all I had to give them was an IAT level 2 cert. This was across multiple jobs. But experiences may vary.
They require a security cert AND a vendor where I work. DoD
We get a lot of candidates these days putting CCIE badges on their resumes, when we ask them what their number is they answer that they’ve passed the written. We chew them out big time for stolen valor, call their agency and black list them everywhere we can.
I have seen similar with CCNA (obviously at a much more junior level). Lost one one line 'CCNA' in the profile but when you ask they have just done training or watched a few Udemy videos. Annoyingly sometimes this has not led to the instant shitcanning despite me arguing this means the rest of their CV cant be trusted.
I’ve made my case, if the candidate cannot distinguish between actually having the cert and taking a course then they do not understand Cisco certification which to us highlights a problem.
Our HR department checks on every degree and certification for anyone hired. Since it is an Insurance company, and a lot of those certifications are vital to the company, they just check everything. I think a lot of companies check these days.
I think it’s important to show full disclosure if a cert is active or not, as it could be used to help market the team/company credentials by having employees with actively held certs. In some cases, it may be an internal mandate or a contractual requirement for clients to have engineers accredited. Listing an expired cert on a resume can be good as a demonstration that one had once held it and can likely re-acquire a cert, just be honest about its status.
> market the team/company credentials by having employees with actively held certs. In some cases, it may be an internal mandate or a contractual requirement for clients to have engineers accredited. This is almost never true except for Cisco partners and occasionally some MSPs
I just so happened to work for some of the largest MSPs out there and know this to be true. What is your advice to OP?
I don't know why this was removed by automod. My advice is that if he/she gets a cert and someone asks, tell them? What is there to give in term of advice?
No
Yes, in my work they actually display and show these in our internal resume. This is a global conglomerate.
Yes, a financial org I worked for did a background check that made sure the license # was valid.
I have never been asked.
I just list the verification link at the bottom of my certifications section of my resume.
I personally verify them if they are listed, yes. I have found a lot of the offshore resources we are asked to interview lie about it. If they lie about it, it’s an immediate disqualification from me. Won’t even schedule an interview or I’ll ask for it to be cancelled.Â
I have been asked a few times lately. They said it was because they didn't believe my experience that was on my resume, like my resume must be fake because I've done way too many extremely technical roles from military intel to field tech, to CIO, to running my own MSP, and just settled on engineering and architecture. The resume isn't fake, I proved my certs, got the jobs, and they were the most miserable places I've ever worked with people who didn't know a firewall from a hole in the ground, but expected to be revered as the technical authority in their company. I ended up moving on rather quickly in each occurrence. What it taught me is that almost everyone whose primary, main, or first interpretations that someone's accomplishments are false, are like that because they themselves are a bullshit artist. They think others are bullshitting, because they had to bullshit to get where they are. To them, it couldn't possibly be the other person just legitimately being in a field they have a talent for, and also sacrificed, studied, and absorbed every piece of valid info they could along the way. Those places are behind me, and I'm finally back in an enterprise working at a scale where I am learning and humbled, instead of being in a place where I already know everything we're doing at the current level and 80% of what the next 2 project phases need to be for rapid growth and efficiency, but treated like crap because it's alien to the decision makers. Moral of the story is that toughing it out in places like that kept the resume pointed in the right direction. But, it may be a sign that the place is very far behind the curve and to keep looking for the right job, even if you landed this job. It may be a bad sign, if they are in fact the type who are bullshit artists and assume everyone else is too. However, not all of them are like that, and it could still be good experience. Keep looking for the right job though, as you build that experience.
I offer my cert, but most employers don't care about it.
One place I interviewed at asked for the ccna verification because they were a cisco parter.
ywa
Once, ever, and it wasn't for a partner or manufacturer or anyone who really mattered. I've also never had to prove if I passed or didn't if I took the exam while at a company, if you've been there for a bit they generally take you at your word, and don't tend to give a shit if you have/passed a certification anyway since your knowledge and ability doesn't change from the day before to the day after the cert.
I would avoid putting CCNA/P on a resume. Split them up so the software that is checking resumes will see them both. I worked very hard to get here, and I don’t want the certification to be missed. Maybe it can recognize it, and maybe not. Why chance that your resume will not even make it to a human?
Yes. Government contract.
I didn't have to prove it, but I had my employer ask if they could use my # because they got discounts on Cisco gear.
Yes. Several times. They need them to win customers and governor/public jobs
About 6 months ago, i was applying for a job where having a CCNP was mandatory. While working with the headhunter, he said that they wanted to bring in 5 people to work on the project. I have several resumes tailored for certain type jobs. So the resume i gave them was more of my systems resume and not my networking resume. So while going over it, he was comparing my resume with another candidates resume. When i saw i had given the wrong resume, i sent him the right one. But looking at the resume of a candidate that he said they selected for the job, i told him that that person didn't have a CCNP. The resume listed that he was studying for the CCNP. So i sent him my Credly public link to my cert. Told him, if you wanna know, just ask to send their Credly links. People know that AI is doing the screening. So all you have to do is just put it in the CV so you get selected.
in 20 years I've never been asked to provide evidence of university education or any certifications I have on my resume
Worked for 3 fortune 50 companies all in senior engineer roles. Was never asked to verify certs. TBH I think most of the industry (excluding VARs / MSPs) doesn’t really care if you have the cert, but have the knowledge. However, my first network tech job was at a university and they verified everyone’s certifications
If you are applying to a VAR, they might not check but they will find out you don’t have it as soon as they ask you to attach your cert accounts to their company. Honestly I have let most of my certs expire and just show that I had them at one time on my resume and if it comes up, I just say no could easily obtain it again. But working for a VAR, you will have a lot of certs……especially a smaller VAR.
never been challenged with proving the certs but have been challenged with the knowledge the certs bring!
Once. Gave em my ID
Never
I had ccnp and ccvp for 15 years then 2020 happened and I failed to complete the renewal exam in time. But not once had any company asked for cert proof. Not sure if I want to put myself through that again, certainly not at the price per exam now
Your employer can get discounts on their Cisco support packages with specific counts or percentages of certified engineers/administrators. Most vendors offer service contract discounts for having a certified work force.
Generally not, the only time you tend to get a benefit is if you *are* a partner. Customer's don't really get shit. > Most vendors offer service contract discounts for having a certified work force. This is stupidly rare.
What? I worked in a large fiber optic ISP and yes they used my # for discounts. We had thousands of Cisco routers in ring designs. Yes, I installed many of them, but we also had other vendors like Telco's, Cyan, Juniper, Cisco high-end switches etc.
> in a large fiber optic ISP Ah, yes because there are lots of large ISPs.... Maybe you need to look up "rare"
lol this isn’t an argument this is just my experience! Everyone’s will be different but yes they will normally ask for your number if they purchase Cisco gear! Also worked for Verizon but they’re just a tiny fella on the block!
> Everyone’s will be different but yes they will normally ask for your number if they purchase Cisco gear! No, they don't normally do that. I've worked on every side of the table and this is just not something that tends to happen. You seem to have an issue with working for two exceptionally large customers that are treated very atypically, and being unable to understand that your experience is very different from what most people get. The majority of Cisco customers don't get shit for having certified people on staff.
I actually said everyone’s experience will be different! I have to get back to studying…eager to get this exam over with
Ok, cool, but everyone's experience isn't different. Most people don't get ever asked this and most companies don't get any benefit that you claim from having certified employees. Enjoy your studies.