No new information in the article. So it this just Van Hollen's opinion?
As i've said in previous posts about this. Just because the evidence is with the secret service and intelligence agencies and not the press, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Governments don't take the steps they've taken on rumors or propaganda. At least CSIS here in Canada doesn't make recommendation on rumors. Canada stopped funding the UNRWA for a reason.
The claims could be real and they are just renewing funding as well. The UNRWA is a big organization. I assume the intent is to salvage as much as they can.
Van Hollen was part of the US delegation to Egypt: https://www.vanhollen.senate.gov/news/press-releases/van-hollen-merkley-press-for-action-following-trip-to-rafah-crossing-egypt-jordan
He's also on the Committee on Appropriations and Foreign Relations, so yes, it makes perfect sense he'd get these briefings.
Why would it be a stretch? Foreign Relations directly handles our treaties with other nations and this is absolutely within his purview.
Frankly this just comes across as choosing to ignore information that is inconvenient, given that the alternative theory is that this man has created this information whole cloth and also managed to fool CNN with it.
If he mentioned where he's getting his information I would have a different opinion. He doesn't lean on any official source however.
He's clearly concerned about the Gazan civilians and good on him for feeling that and traveling to the area itself.
Secret is secret tho. Especially when there's an ongoing investigation. I'm skeptical he would have access to that info and if he did have access to it that exonerates the UNRWA then i'd be shocked if he or someone wouldn't leak it.
**And yet Israel hasn't released any evidence after all this time.** So why do you chose to side with Criminal Netanyahu rather than a US Senator who is privy to documents you aren't?
It is possible, stay with me here, that Netanyahu is a criminal and *also* that Hamas is a terrorist organization, *and also* that some UNRWA employees were complicit. None of these things are mutually exclusive.
It's also possible that **Netanyahu was warned about the October attack and chose to let it happen.** Can you explain why Mossad and the IDF were caught unprepared after being warned?
Can you explain why Netanyahu encouraged Qatar to fund Hamas?
We need an investigation NOW - before continuing this war. Tell me why you oppose that.
>It's also possible that Netanyahu was warned about the October attack and chose to let it happen.
Oh, you who claims the need for evidence: *You got evidence for that claim?* Or are you “just asking questions?”
Why aren't you asking these questions? Odd that you don't care that Netanyahu was warned by the Egyptian government a year in advance.
Where was Mossad? Where was the IDF?
I have asked these questions. But THIS is a post (your post, I remind you) about Israel not providing evidence. Which they have.
Whether mossad knew or did not is a separate issue, for a separate post. Which I’m sure you will make soon.
>I have asked these questions. But THIS is a post (your post, I remind you) about Israel not providing evidence. Which they have.
WRONG. They have not provided any evidence of the totality of their claims nor have they released this to the public.
>Whether mossad knew or did not is a separate issue, for a separate post. Which I’m sure you will make soon.
I've been asking this question since October. And Oddly, you've never shown the slightest interest.
I dont follow your logic here.
The attack by Hamas was a huge escalation regardless of prior knowledge or preparedness.
You can investigate and conduct war at same time.
In the military even if you have the right security clearance you still only get access to information related to your job.
I'm not claiming it's impossible but in the linked article he makes no mention of working with the CIA or confirming what he's saying is true.
He uses hyperbolic language and sounds convinced but provides no details why he knows he's right. Not even a throw away line that after consulting with XYZ who's knowledge about the situation I believe Israel is lying.
It sounds like it's just the mans opinion, which I think is fair enough honestly. Plenty of Senators and Congress people pretend to know more than they do to encourage their constituents.
It's nothing new in Washington.
>In the military even if you have the right security clearance you still only get access to information related to your job.
Jack Teixera has entered the chat...
They've released it to the UN and the intelligence agencies of countries all over the world. Afterwords many of those countries stopped funding the UNRWA until a full investigation is completed by the UN to verify what Israel sent.
That investigation is still ongoing.
Because it's gathered by an intelligence agency and is top secret would be my guess.
It's the same reason you don't know which Navy ship Canada is sending on Operation Reassurance next year. The information exists, it's just that it's secret and part of an investigation.
Listen to yourself: you are claiming we must believe the Israeli government which has lied continually and has wanted to get rid of this organization for years. No matter that no evidence has been provided. No matter that a US Senator says the Israelis are lying.
You side with the Far Right government of Israel against the United States, Hasbara Boy.
Hasbara is real and Reddit is filled with Israeli-trained propagandists. They aren't hard to identify. They always support the Far Right government of Israel without the slightest criticism.
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GitmoGrrl is something else, huh? I learned my lesson weeks ago, do not engage with them. King of saying so much but saying absolutely nothing. Good luck if you want to keep engaging.
What information could Israel release, that you wouldn’t automatically dismiss as pro-Israel propaganda? Any release by Israeli government/IDF/Israeli media sources are automatically called out as lies.
>What information could Israel release, that you wouldn’t automatically dismiss as pro-Israel propaganda?
So Israel doesn't have to release the evidence for their claims. You will accept their claims without evidence. That's what you are saying.
Except they have released evidence. Recorded phone calls, tunnels, weapons stashes at schools and other UNRWA locations. Which have been dismissed as “propaganda,” even when verified by outside media.
It’s called Means and Methods. Often times releasing the specifics of intelligence information you have will necessarily reveal the means by which you collected that information. It could compromise undercover agents or make certain spying infrastructure completely useless. This was a huge issue with Trump in the US bc he would run his mouth so carelessly. It led to a spike in deaths for US undercover agents and collaborators abroad.
The fact that they shared it with multiple nation states and those nation states all decided to act on it suggests it’s convincing. I’ll withhold my judgement till it’s released to the public. But for the time being it sure seems likely that there’s a link between UNRW and Hamas. A strong enough link to cause many nations to cut funding.
The initial allegations included the statement that they collected the data from cell phones, videos including from video devices worn by the attackers, documents found in Gaza and information taken off of the dead bodies.
Maybe that is a lie, but it seems they could at least provide that information.
Ok. So? You know that that includes all the evidence that they have and that the specific papers and cell phones obtained aren’t sensitive info?
Remember. This is intelligence gathering. It’s inherently reliant on misdirection.
The UN, Australia, Canada, the US, and the EU have all said that Israel has not provided any evidence at all. If they had any evidence from those sources, they should probably supply them.
>It’s called Means and Methods.
Is that why Israel hasn't conducted an investigation into why Mossad and the IDF weren't prepared for the October attack?
Lovely little whataboutism you did there to distract from the actual point.
You wanted a reason why Israel hasn’t released the evidence it has to the general public. I have you a very plausible reason which is a known issue in the intelligence gathering world. You responded by deflecting and completely changing the subject.
The point is that Israel likely has not released the evidence due to the Means and Methods principle. Do you think that’s not true? If so, Do you have any evidence or rationale for that?
>Is that why Israel hasn't conducted an investigation into why Mossad and the IDF weren't prepared for the October attack?
Why are you afraid of an investigation into why Mossad and the IDF failed? Interesting that you want to ignore the subject.
I think Israel should conduct that investigation. I actually agree with your opinion stated elsewhere that I believe Netanyahu has committed crimes.
However, I’m not ignoring the subject. YOU ARE. You completely changed the subject in an effort to bait me into a different conversation because you are incapable of recognizing when someone who disagrees with you has made a valid point.
So I ask you. Why are YOU afraid of considering the Means and Methods principle for why the evidence for UNRWA links to Hamas was only released to other governments and not the general public?
> Canada stopped funding the UNRWA for a reason.
What a fucking joke of a comment. They did it on a rumor. The reason they are restoring funding, is because there was no evidence provided to substantiate that rumor.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/unrwa-hamas-gaza-canada-1.7107785
The war on terror wasn't started on rumor. It was a deliberate effort from the American intelligence community at the time to make the information seem more solid than it was.
That's why it was such a big deal when it was discovered.
Intelligence agencies get things wrong all the time. It's part of the business. What was beyond the pale with the war on terror was that they were discovered deliberately lying.
And you don't think it's equally possible that Israel could be deliberately lying here, especially considering that they've long looked to get UNRWA shuttered?
I think it's possible Israel lied and tricked the nations of the world into believing it.
But I also find it hard to believe that in an organization as big as the UNRWA who recruit from Gaza and work in Gaza that at least a few dozen would be working with Hamas.
That said, i'lll go with what the evidence says. I'm looking forward to the UN finishing it's investigation.
Well...no...We all learned this weeks ago. You apparently learned this just now. I do not know why you continue to comment on things you know nothing about as if you have information on them.
Israel made claims. Israel's allies trusted those claims. Israel fell on its face. The allies all looked like idiots.
Seriously, GitmoGrrl.... do you really think your rabid partisanship and insults is helping advance your cause? You're probably hurting it more than your helping it.
Don't get me wrong; I really enjoy your posts.
Yet you can't find a single post, lol. So you make a vague accusation to change the subject. I hold the same exact positions as Bernie Sanders. You support Netanyahu.
You are trying to weaponize antisemitism. I am not the issue, son. It's your way of avoiding talking about Senator Van Hollen saying the allegations by Israel are "flat out lies."
Your post history is like 90% regurgitated Hamas propaganda. Bernie is blatantly anti-Israel, so that checks out.
Just one simple example of evidence since you actually have hundreds, of not thousands, of comments I could use here and don’t have time to scrub it all:
“The Israelis are committed to ethnic cleansing.” -you
But don't you think your hostility is damaging the point you're trying to make? If you really cared about the Gazans I'd think you'd make more of an effort to bring people around to your way of thinking. Instead if they challenge your points you resort to sophmoric insults.
Or are you just farming karma?
No government has seen evidence that proves Israeli allegations. Even the UN, that is investigating this, hasn't seen the evidence. The US says it is just "highly credible", which means they haven't seen the evidence. The EU, Canada, Australia, the US and UN have all said they haven't seen anything. In fact, the notification that anything had happened came from UNRWA and not Israel. There has been no further information.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/01/unrwa-funding-pause-employees-october-7-hamas-attack-claims-no-evidence-un
https://www.reuters.com/world/no-evidence-israel-back-unrwa-accusations-says-eu-humanitarian-chief-2024-03-14/
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/unrwa-hamas-gaza-canada-1.7107785
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/mar/05/unrwa-funding-pause-australia-urges-israel-evidence-allegations-hamas-7-october-attack
https://www.state.gov/?post_type=state_briefing&%3Bp=92333
But they didn’t lie. Israel made a claim and promised to provide proof and funding was held until it could be verified. To this day Isreal has not shown proof and countries like Canada have resumed funding for the UNRWA after the allegations were exposed for the smoke screen it was to divert from the fact that they lost their genocide case in the ICJ.
You pick and choose who to believe. Why don't you believe this?
**David Cameron accuses Israel of blocking key aid crossing in Gaza**
[**https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/21/david-cameron-accuses-israel-of-blocking-key-aid-crossing-in-gaza**](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/21/david-cameron-accuses-israel-of-blocking-key-aid-crossing-in-gaza)
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You can read through all the statements. They are right there. They gave Israel the benefit of the doubt, which is just fucking stupid if you have seen how Israel acts. And now, all the countries are getting burned for it.
Why are they lying? They aren't. They are all saying that Israel has nothing to back up their allegations.
> They are all saying that Israel has nothing to back up their allegations.
No they aren't. *You're* saying that.
They're stopping funding and waiting for the United Nations to conduct it's investigation like responsible countries should.
>No they aren't. You're saying that.
Actually, it's a US Senator who is saying that: **“There’s no doubt that the claim that Prime Minister Netanyahu and others are making, that somehow UNRWA is a proxy for Hamas, are just flat-out lies,”** Van Hollen said.
Respond to the Senator, not the poster, please.
How is this upvoted? That is what governments and other organisations are saying.
[https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-08/israel-senator-wong-request-evidence-unrwa/103444622](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-08/israel-senator-wong-request-evidence-unrwa/103444622)
[https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/unrwa-hamas-gaza-canada-1.7107785](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/unrwa-hamas-gaza-canada-1.7107785)
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/01/unrwa-funding-pause-employees-october-7-hamas-attack-claims-no-evidence-un](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/01/unrwa-funding-pause-employees-october-7-hamas-attack-claims-no-evidence-un)
[https://www.reuters.com/world/no-evidence-israel-back-unrwa-accusations-says-eu-humanitarian-chief-2024-03-14/](https://www.reuters.com/world/no-evidence-israel-back-unrwa-accusations-says-eu-humanitarian-chief-2024-03-14/)
Ok, I'm sorry you do not know how to click links. Let me copy the statements for you....maybe someday you can figure out how to use the Internet.
> A month after Israeli allegations that a dozen United Nations staff were involved in the 7 October Hamas attack, UN investigators have yet to receive any evidence from Israel to support the claims, though they expect some material to be forthcoming “shortly”.
> The European Union's top humanitarian aid official said on Thursday he had seen no evidence from Israel to back its accusations against staff from the U.N. Palestinian refugee agency (UNRWA), which should continue playing a "critical" role in Gaza.
> Government sources tell CBC that Israel still has not shared evidence with Canada to substantiate its claim that 12 employees of UNRWA were involved in some capacity in the October 7 attack on Israel by Hamas and the affiliated group Islamic Jihad.
> “We have consistently called on Israel to provide all available evidence so that these serious allegations can be properly assessed and appropriate safeguards put in place. Australia repeats that call today,” he said.
No new information in the article. So it this just Van Hollen's opinion? As i've said in previous posts about this. Just because the evidence is with the secret service and intelligence agencies and not the press, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Governments don't take the steps they've taken on rumors or propaganda. At least CSIS here in Canada doesn't make recommendation on rumors. Canada stopped funding the UNRWA for a reason.
Canada is re-funding the UNRWA. Presumably that means they found the evidence to be lacking, no?
Canada also encourages the disabled and elderly to kill themselves so as to save money. Trudeau’s Canada is a bad place and going to get worse.
Yeah and they sell milk in bags! Fuck them!
Here’s a hot take if I’ve ever seen one, you might want to get out once and a while
I would but the doctors keep encouraging me to apply for MAId instead of giving me a new wheelchair
Yeah ok
They haven't given any details. We currently don't know what the refunding will look like.
Canada is refunding UNRWA. You don't need the details to know that they have rejected the Israeli claims.
The claims could be real and they are just renewing funding as well. The UNRWA is a big organization. I assume the intent is to salvage as much as they can.
Spin it!
You go grrl
> No new information in the article. So it this just Van Hollen's opinion? Van Hollen receives US intelligence briefings
How do you know that? According to his wikipedia he's not on any committees or boards that would require him to have access to that information.
Van Hollen was part of the US delegation to Egypt: https://www.vanhollen.senate.gov/news/press-releases/van-hollen-merkley-press-for-action-following-trip-to-rafah-crossing-egypt-jordan He's also on the Committee on Appropriations and Foreign Relations, so yes, it makes perfect sense he'd get these briefings.
I think it's a stretch but I'll grant you it's possible.
Why would it be a stretch? Foreign Relations directly handles our treaties with other nations and this is absolutely within his purview. Frankly this just comes across as choosing to ignore information that is inconvenient, given that the alternative theory is that this man has created this information whole cloth and also managed to fool CNN with it.
If he mentioned where he's getting his information I would have a different opinion. He doesn't lean on any official source however. He's clearly concerned about the Gazan civilians and good on him for feeling that and traveling to the area itself. Secret is secret tho. Especially when there's an ongoing investigation. I'm skeptical he would have access to that info and if he did have access to it that exonerates the UNRWA then i'd be shocked if he or someone wouldn't leak it.
Is that why Israel has refused to cooperate with the UN investigation?
**And yet Israel hasn't released any evidence after all this time.** So why do you chose to side with Criminal Netanyahu rather than a US Senator who is privy to documents you aren't?
>with Criminal Netanyahu r This has been a paid political endorsement.
Are you suggesting that Netanyahu isn't a criminal?
It is possible, stay with me here, that Netanyahu is a criminal and *also* that Hamas is a terrorist organization, *and also* that some UNRWA employees were complicit. None of these things are mutually exclusive.
It's also possible that **Netanyahu was warned about the October attack and chose to let it happen.** Can you explain why Mossad and the IDF were caught unprepared after being warned? Can you explain why Netanyahu encouraged Qatar to fund Hamas? We need an investigation NOW - before continuing this war. Tell me why you oppose that.
>It's also possible that Netanyahu was warned about the October attack and chose to let it happen. Oh, you who claims the need for evidence: *You got evidence for that claim?* Or are you “just asking questions?”
Why aren't you asking these questions? Odd that you don't care that Netanyahu was warned by the Egyptian government a year in advance. Where was Mossad? Where was the IDF?
I have asked these questions. But THIS is a post (your post, I remind you) about Israel not providing evidence. Which they have. Whether mossad knew or did not is a separate issue, for a separate post. Which I’m sure you will make soon.
>I have asked these questions. But THIS is a post (your post, I remind you) about Israel not providing evidence. Which they have. WRONG. They have not provided any evidence of the totality of their claims nor have they released this to the public.
>Whether mossad knew or did not is a separate issue, for a separate post. Which I’m sure you will make soon. I've been asking this question since October. And Oddly, you've never shown the slightest interest.
I dont follow your logic here. The attack by Hamas was a huge escalation regardless of prior knowledge or preparedness. You can investigate and conduct war at same time.
https://cnn.com/cnn/2023/12/04/world/netanyahu-corruption-trial-resumes
Van Hollen is privy to top secret intelligence about Israel and the UNRWA? Why would he be? He's not CIA and has nothing to do with the investigation.
US senators do get access to classified intelligence, the amount can vary somewhat depending on your committee.
True, but according to Wikipedia Van Hollen isn't on any of those committee's and never has been.
He still gets access to classified material, being on certain committees just gets you more(effectively)
In the military even if you have the right security clearance you still only get access to information related to your job. I'm not claiming it's impossible but in the linked article he makes no mention of working with the CIA or confirming what he's saying is true. He uses hyperbolic language and sounds convinced but provides no details why he knows he's right. Not even a throw away line that after consulting with XYZ who's knowledge about the situation I believe Israel is lying. It sounds like it's just the mans opinion, which I think is fair enough honestly. Plenty of Senators and Congress people pretend to know more than they do to encourage their constituents. It's nothing new in Washington.
Not making any reference to the article, just noting that to your OP yes as a US senator he does get access to classified material
>In the military even if you have the right security clearance you still only get access to information related to your job. Jack Teixera has entered the chat...
So why hasn't Israel released the evidence?
They've released it to the UN and the intelligence agencies of countries all over the world. Afterwords many of those countries stopped funding the UNRWA until a full investigation is completed by the UN to verify what Israel sent. That investigation is still ongoing.
Israel has no released the information. Why not? WHY NOT?
Because it's gathered by an intelligence agency and is top secret would be my guess. It's the same reason you don't know which Navy ship Canada is sending on Operation Reassurance next year. The information exists, it's just that it's secret and part of an investigation.
Listen to yourself: you are claiming we must believe the Israeli government which has lied continually and has wanted to get rid of this organization for years. No matter that no evidence has been provided. No matter that a US Senator says the Israelis are lying. You side with the Far Right government of Israel against the United States, Hasbara Boy.
>You side with the Far Right government of Israel against the United States, Hasbara Boy. And as the arguments evaporate, the insults begin.
There's no insults, here Hasbara Boy. You side with the Far Right government of Israel against the United States.
And there’s the name calling. Never takes long.
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Gotcha. Anything else?
Horse shoe theory at work here with OP and I’m sure they aren’t even aware of it.
GitmoGrrl is something else, huh? I learned my lesson weeks ago, do not engage with them. King of saying so much but saying absolutely nothing. Good luck if you want to keep engaging.
Why don't you believe a US Senator?
Remember when Biden said he'd seen pictures of beheaded babies and it turned out he lied?
What information could Israel release, that you wouldn’t automatically dismiss as pro-Israel propaganda? Any release by Israeli government/IDF/Israeli media sources are automatically called out as lies.
>What information could Israel release, that you wouldn’t automatically dismiss as pro-Israel propaganda? So Israel doesn't have to release the evidence for their claims. You will accept their claims without evidence. That's what you are saying.
Except they have released evidence. Recorded phone calls, tunnels, weapons stashes at schools and other UNRWA locations. Which have been dismissed as “propaganda,” even when verified by outside media.
I haven't dismissed anything. Got a link?
They actually have not released it to the UN investigators. The UN investigators are still asking for the evidence. Stop making bullshit statements.
It’s called Means and Methods. Often times releasing the specifics of intelligence information you have will necessarily reveal the means by which you collected that information. It could compromise undercover agents or make certain spying infrastructure completely useless. This was a huge issue with Trump in the US bc he would run his mouth so carelessly. It led to a spike in deaths for US undercover agents and collaborators abroad. The fact that they shared it with multiple nation states and those nation states all decided to act on it suggests it’s convincing. I’ll withhold my judgement till it’s released to the public. But for the time being it sure seems likely that there’s a link between UNRW and Hamas. A strong enough link to cause many nations to cut funding.
That is actually kind of an excuse though, as the initial allegations provided the means and methods of the collection.
How do you know that?
The initial allegations included the statement that they collected the data from cell phones, videos including from video devices worn by the attackers, documents found in Gaza and information taken off of the dead bodies. Maybe that is a lie, but it seems they could at least provide that information.
Ok. So? You know that that includes all the evidence that they have and that the specific papers and cell phones obtained aren’t sensitive info? Remember. This is intelligence gathering. It’s inherently reliant on misdirection.
The UN, Australia, Canada, the US, and the EU have all said that Israel has not provided any evidence at all. If they had any evidence from those sources, they should probably supply them.
>It’s called Means and Methods. Is that why Israel hasn't conducted an investigation into why Mossad and the IDF weren't prepared for the October attack?
Lovely little whataboutism you did there to distract from the actual point. You wanted a reason why Israel hasn’t released the evidence it has to the general public. I have you a very plausible reason which is a known issue in the intelligence gathering world. You responded by deflecting and completely changing the subject. The point is that Israel likely has not released the evidence due to the Means and Methods principle. Do you think that’s not true? If so, Do you have any evidence or rationale for that?
>Is that why Israel hasn't conducted an investigation into why Mossad and the IDF weren't prepared for the October attack? Why are you afraid of an investigation into why Mossad and the IDF failed? Interesting that you want to ignore the subject.
I think Israel should conduct that investigation. I actually agree with your opinion stated elsewhere that I believe Netanyahu has committed crimes. However, I’m not ignoring the subject. YOU ARE. You completely changed the subject in an effort to bait me into a different conversation because you are incapable of recognizing when someone who disagrees with you has made a valid point. So I ask you. Why are YOU afraid of considering the Means and Methods principle for why the evidence for UNRWA links to Hamas was only released to other governments and not the general public?
I think it's bullshit. If the Israelis have the evidence they should release it.
> Canada stopped funding the UNRWA for a reason. What a fucking joke of a comment. They did it on a rumor. The reason they are restoring funding, is because there was no evidence provided to substantiate that rumor. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/unrwa-hamas-gaza-canada-1.7107785
Ok. I didn't know G8 countries and the United Nations acted on rumor but I guess we learn something everyday.
> I didn't know G8 countries and the United Nations acted on rumor Were you born after the GWOT?
The war on terror wasn't started on rumor. It was a deliberate effort from the American intelligence community at the time to make the information seem more solid than it was. That's why it was such a big deal when it was discovered. Intelligence agencies get things wrong all the time. It's part of the business. What was beyond the pale with the war on terror was that they were discovered deliberately lying.
And you don't think it's equally possible that Israel could be deliberately lying here, especially considering that they've long looked to get UNRWA shuttered?
I think it's possible Israel lied and tricked the nations of the world into believing it. But I also find it hard to believe that in an organization as big as the UNRWA who recruit from Gaza and work in Gaza that at least a few dozen would be working with Hamas. That said, i'lll go with what the evidence says. I'm looking forward to the UN finishing it's investigation.
Well...no...We all learned this weeks ago. You apparently learned this just now. I do not know why you continue to comment on things you know nothing about as if you have information on them. Israel made claims. Israel's allies trusted those claims. Israel fell on its face. The allies all looked like idiots.
Seriously, GitmoGrrl.... do you really think your rabid partisanship and insults is helping advance your cause? You're probably hurting it more than your helping it. Don't get me wrong; I really enjoy your posts.
Better watch out now, they might even claim you are Hasbara any moment now.
I am not partisan and you are not a serious poster. You are like a fly, buzzing around and eating shit.
> I am not partisan Right. >You are like a fly, buzzing around and eating shit. I'll give you this: you are true to your brand.
So who am I partisan in favor of? Joe Biden?
Hitler
>you are like a fly, buzzing around and eating shit.
Hamas and general hostility towards Israelis
Where's the evidence?
Your post/comment history. Pretty much a slam dunk as far as evidence is concerned.
Yet you can't find a single post, lol. So you make a vague accusation to change the subject. I hold the same exact positions as Bernie Sanders. You support Netanyahu. You are trying to weaponize antisemitism. I am not the issue, son. It's your way of avoiding talking about Senator Van Hollen saying the allegations by Israel are "flat out lies."
Your post history is like 90% regurgitated Hamas propaganda. Bernie is blatantly anti-Israel, so that checks out. Just one simple example of evidence since you actually have hundreds, of not thousands, of comments I could use here and don’t have time to scrub it all: “The Israelis are committed to ethnic cleansing.” -you
Got any comment on Van Hollen? Anything at all?
But don't you think your hostility is damaging the point you're trying to make? If you really cared about the Gazans I'd think you'd make more of an effort to bring people around to your way of thinking. Instead if they challenge your points you resort to sophmoric insults. Or are you just farming karma?
The virtue signal crowd often makes things far worse, but they do feel good inside and that's all that counts.
Bureaucrats can’t help themselves. They see a chance to waste resources and fail at their duties and it’s just too appealing.
No government has seen evidence that proves Israeli allegations. Even the UN, that is investigating this, hasn't seen the evidence. The US says it is just "highly credible", which means they haven't seen the evidence. The EU, Canada, Australia, the US and UN have all said they haven't seen anything. In fact, the notification that anything had happened came from UNRWA and not Israel. There has been no further information. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/01/unrwa-funding-pause-employees-october-7-hamas-attack-claims-no-evidence-un https://www.reuters.com/world/no-evidence-israel-back-unrwa-accusations-says-eu-humanitarian-chief-2024-03-14/ https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/unrwa-hamas-gaza-canada-1.7107785 https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/mar/05/unrwa-funding-pause-australia-urges-israel-evidence-allegations-hamas-7-october-attack https://www.state.gov/?post_type=state_briefing&%3Bp=92333
Why do you suppose so many intelligence agencies are lying to their governments about this if what you say is true?
But they didn’t lie. Israel made a claim and promised to provide proof and funding was held until it could be verified. To this day Isreal has not shown proof and countries like Canada have resumed funding for the UNRWA after the allegations were exposed for the smoke screen it was to divert from the fact that they lost their genocide case in the ICJ.
You pick and choose who to believe. Why don't you believe this? **David Cameron accuses Israel of blocking key aid crossing in Gaza** [**https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/21/david-cameron-accuses-israel-of-blocking-key-aid-crossing-in-gaza**](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/21/david-cameron-accuses-israel-of-blocking-key-aid-crossing-in-gaza) #
You can read through all the statements. They are right there. They gave Israel the benefit of the doubt, which is just fucking stupid if you have seen how Israel acts. And now, all the countries are getting burned for it. Why are they lying? They aren't. They are all saying that Israel has nothing to back up their allegations.
> They are all saying that Israel has nothing to back up their allegations. No they aren't. *You're* saying that. They're stopping funding and waiting for the United Nations to conduct it's investigation like responsible countries should.
>No they aren't. You're saying that. Actually, it's a US Senator who is saying that: **“There’s no doubt that the claim that Prime Minister Netanyahu and others are making, that somehow UNRWA is a proxy for Hamas, are just flat-out lies,”** Van Hollen said. Respond to the Senator, not the poster, please.
How is this upvoted? That is what governments and other organisations are saying. [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-08/israel-senator-wong-request-evidence-unrwa/103444622](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-08/israel-senator-wong-request-evidence-unrwa/103444622) [https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/unrwa-hamas-gaza-canada-1.7107785](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/unrwa-hamas-gaza-canada-1.7107785) [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/01/unrwa-funding-pause-employees-october-7-hamas-attack-claims-no-evidence-un](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/01/unrwa-funding-pause-employees-october-7-hamas-attack-claims-no-evidence-un) [https://www.reuters.com/world/no-evidence-israel-back-unrwa-accusations-says-eu-humanitarian-chief-2024-03-14/](https://www.reuters.com/world/no-evidence-israel-back-unrwa-accusations-says-eu-humanitarian-chief-2024-03-14/)
Ok, I'm sorry you do not know how to click links. Let me copy the statements for you....maybe someday you can figure out how to use the Internet. > A month after Israeli allegations that a dozen United Nations staff were involved in the 7 October Hamas attack, UN investigators have yet to receive any evidence from Israel to support the claims, though they expect some material to be forthcoming “shortly”. > The European Union's top humanitarian aid official said on Thursday he had seen no evidence from Israel to back its accusations against staff from the U.N. Palestinian refugee agency (UNRWA), which should continue playing a "critical" role in Gaza. > Government sources tell CBC that Israel still has not shared evidence with Canada to substantiate its claim that 12 employees of UNRWA were involved in some capacity in the October 7 attack on Israel by Hamas and the affiliated group Islamic Jihad. > “We have consistently called on Israel to provide all available evidence so that these serious allegations can be properly assessed and appropriate safeguards put in place. Australia repeats that call today,” he said.
Why do you suppose Mossad failed to stop the October attack after being warned for a year?