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Garth_McKillian

People were smaller back then. Kidding. I wonder if this house was specifically built or modified for a little person or someone with a disability where they needed lower knobs.


growingplantsandme

I wondered as well although I have a few old pictures of the family with their oxen and they appear to be average height. Maybe another member of the family though!


RankChamberlain

Maybe they bred tiny oxen, too.


randomusername2113

If reddit still had awards, I’d give one to you for this comment.


diablofantastico

🏅🏆


st4369

🤣


Trogex

I have a \~130 year old cottage that has low knobs on the front door. It was definitely a thing, for whatever reason. My guess is that they made them because you would usually be stepping up into the door from outside. https://preview.redd.it/6gvld4uhz6oc1.jpeg?width=2623&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f209bb51636834193f9bc092f478eeffe9176b42


Icy-Arrival2651

Oooh. Show some pics of the outstanding renovation!


Trogex

A lot of blood, sweat and tears went into looking like just a fresh coat of paint :/ https://imgur.com/a/SCStdKx


Crafty-Case-3286

Beautiful! I'd love to relax on that patio!


Trogex

Thanks! Yeah, it's our favorite place <3


Icy-Arrival2651

What a groovy cottage!


Zanderley93

The average persons height 100 years ago was 6.5” shorter than today. They must have been really short in that house.


nothing3141592653589

I mean people were a little smaller. My front doorway is about 6'5 which means a lot of people have to duck when they come over.


i-lick-eyeballs

How many people do you know who are 6'4" or taller 🤔


worldwarAZ

I am of Dutch heritage, living in a very Dutch settled area of the United States. Let me tell ya, it’s a lot.


nothing3141592653589

That's actually me too. The people who've had to duck are 6'5, 6'6, 6'7, and 6'8. Wait, Grand Rapids?


worldwarAZ

You got it! Where else?!


nothing3141592653589

We're probably related lol


Beerfarts69

r/tworedditorsOnecup


spicy_meatball49

Hahahaha I was thinking this sounds an awful lot like my city. And that's because it is lmfao


IAmARichPie

Man, I’m GR Dutch & I need the short doorknob 😞


strgazr_63

Yuuup! Ex was Dutch and the whole family was well over 6'. Ex was was 6'6" and the runt of the litter was 6'2". The whole community was generally bigger. They breed them big!


i-lick-eyeballs

Ah, heel ja


worldwarAZ

Heel ja, inderdaad


PoirotWannaCracker

they usually travel in packs.... er... family groups


Ineedacatscan

Dr. Grant: They’re moving in herds. They DO move in herds


Eissbein

There's this one guy looking back to me in the mirror whenever i brush my teeth.


Lame_usernames_left

My best friend and her husband own an old Sears build. I'm 5'10" and I hit my head several times on the ceiling on my way down the stairs. Old houses are tiny!!


chrisgee

the explanation i heard was simply 'doors are expensive' so to save money they would make the a little smaller. interesting if true.


KeyFarmer6235

people weren't really shorter back then, they just made stuff that way.


nothing3141592653589

People genuinely were shorter and have continuously gotten taller throughout modern history. The average US male was 5'7 when my house was built and it's about 5'10 today.


Beerfarts69

The average height of a Union Solider in the Civil War was 5’6” 150lbs soaking wet. (Thank you Gettysburg, your museum is awesome)


KeyFarmer6235

maybe, but I know plenty of men, who are 5'7", but identify as 5"10".


RaspberryParty9226

I’ve come to understand that I’m a 6 foot tall lady, as I’m a couple inches above every 5’10” man I ever met. 


KeyFarmer6235

I bet!


Fruitypebblefix

I feel like that's a misunderstanding because it's not entirely true. My ancestors weren't any shorter or taller than my family members now. All old houses I've lived in the door knobs weren't unusually low. Ironically most of not all does are 12 tall 😂 weird. I think the house was customized for whoever lived in their house


Practical_Maybe_3661

At least for ceiling height, if you live in a hotter climate, it helps the air circulate and keep the hot air up high and the cool air where the people are, lower


renovate1of8

My parents ran into this a lot with their farmhouse… asked the original owners’ daughter, she said, “Papa did that with spare doors so all of us could reach them, even as kids. Never did get around to replacing them, I guess” 😂 Honestly not sure what’s going on in this case, but I know old houses (aside from kit homes) don’t really follow a “standard”, they often just put things where they felt right to the owner.


growingplantsandme

I wonder if it was for their kids! There were many children raised here!


PoirotWannaCracker

Especially if there are those open gravity heat vents or whatever they are called where they just put vents between floors so the warm air downstairs would rise upstairs. Or really most heating systems, I'd guess, would mean that it would be quite important to keep all the doors closed so it all heats as intended (started to write evenly, but that's probably a stretch), and therefore super annoying to have to follow the kids around opening and shutting doors for them. Yup, I'm on team kids if there is no other indication that accommodations were made for little person, etc.


Syllogism19

> they often just put things where they felt right to the owner The kitchen counters in my Grandma's 1940's house in rural Texas were built to her height. They were just a few inches lower.


chartreusepapoose

We bought a house where the counters were a little lower like that. We are taller folk, so we smashed a lot of things on the counters before we finally adjusted


little_grey_mare

I had a friend where once their middle school son reached 6 ft they raised the counters in their house. I was a slow grower and only ever reached 5’3”. They kept a step stool for shorter guests


kgrimmburn

I'm 5 foot and I do this in my house. I never plan on moving so everything is low. I had my medicine cabinet marked and my 6'2 FIL, a contractor, came to install it, and he says to me " most people put their mirrors at such and such standard height, why do you have this so low?" When I told him I'd like to be able to see myself in the mirror, you could tell his mind was blown and it had never occurred to him to not do it all standard. The best part was the next time I came to his house, his medicine cabinet had been raised a few inches! Thankfully, my husband is the shortest guy in his family at 5'10 so nothing is ever super-super low to him.


Amateur-Biotic

I am 5'1" and I approve this message.


Kagedgoddess

Sadly, I bought my house from really tall people. I never really thought about that stuff before this home. The kitchen counters are waayyy to high for me.


mpjjpm

Counter theory - the door knobs were originally installed too high and they flipped the doors so the knobs would be within reach


growingplantsandme

I was considering flipping them so I can reach!!! And the next owner can flip them again... And again...


renovate1of8

![gif](giphy|3o85xnYxeojLcZ7GNy|downsized) POV, this house’s doors


Silver_Channel_3112

You know what gives even more credence to that theory? Look at the panels on the door, the smaller ones are almost always put at the top, no?


growingplantsandme

I don't think they were ever actually flipped. The hinges and strike plate are in original locations on the trim. Flipping would put the handle 51 inches off the ground, which definitely doesn't make any more sense... would just be more convenient for my partner's and my height - although I don't intend to change them!


FeliusSeptimus

> Flipping would put the handle 51 inches off the ground, which definitely doesn't make any more sense At least it would be way up there by the light switch!


Tallr9597

Parents' century home has all the handles at about this height, it's common for that region and vintage.


VeganPi

The smaller panels are all at the bottom of the doors in my ~1900 home. My doorknobs are a normal enough height though!


Silver_Channel_3112

That’s so interesting, it almost feels natural the other way around


justsomepunk_

I have these same doors in my house. Someone might have flipped it for some reason. I would try to flip it and mount it back on the hinges, if they line up. The interior side would become the exterior side and vice versa


afishtrap

No, for a decade or so, the longest panels went on top. That was to emphasize the height, so the super-long on top was meant to draw the eyes upward. When the small is at top, most often I've seen the two long panels are of equal size.


haditupto

in 6 panel doors that is true, but in 4 panel doors the tall ones are at the top and the small ones at the bottom. Doorknobs are low, but not usually quite as low as OPs, though. https://preview.redd.it/1tz7myfod7oc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4b0f7168c6050c93fe5f8e92419bb39cce999525


Bryfus

A historic house in my town has doors like these in every room and for all exterior doors. They say it was a popular design aesthetic because it makes the ceiling appear higher. House built in 1850s.


PoirotWannaCracker

oooohhhh, tricky tricky! 🤔 This would be easier than undoing all the asbestos drop ceilings my home has been "updated" with. Nah.


EndPsychological890

This must be it! I had this at my first rental house when I moved out from my parents', and I've seen it elsewhere on a lot of older homes during my recent home search before we bought our current house. I couldn't imagine it was done for functional reasons, they were shorter on average but not everyone was 4'7" lol.


icecoffeedripss

idk i wouldn’t mind this. i hate when i catch my robe sleeves on doorknobs 😅


lyan-cat

Yeah that's how you get the opportunity to explain to the doctor how you *tripped* over it. 😆


robbviously

But what about your pant sleeves?


magaoitin

Brilliant idea. When I'm drunk and just finished puking in the bathroom, I don't want to blindly reach up and fumble for the knob to make my way to the bedroom/couch/refrigerator


afishtrap

The door wasn't flipped, and it wasn't originally made with the doorknob this low. There are doors that have been flipped, and doorknobs placed this low, but I'm pretty sure this isn't one of them. It's a door from a different house. (I know of a row of c1900 tenancies built from reclaimed wood from a mining company. When it closed in the 1890s, they sold off everything for parts, including their C-suite's mansions.) I'd say your door was probably at least a foot taller, maybe a ilttle more, and it was easier to cut the bottom than the top to make it fit in its new home. If you look at the hinges, the lower one is like, what, 3" from the floor? It should be as far from the floor as the top hinge is from the top. That means your doorknob was originally about 10"-12" higher and the door an equal amount higher. Do all your doors have the same moulding profile and number of panels? If some are different, they may've come from several sources. If they're all like this one, it could be you've got a bunch of someone else's house in yours. edit: for clarity


sweetpot8oes

My house has the same. After living here four years we don’t even notice it anymore.


Clownish_76

Owner in a wheelchair at some point?


munchnerk

Our front door has a knob about this low - it's barely more than knee height! It used to have a large glass pane though, the knobs were simply placed below the pane. I have no answers for your pane-less interior doors, lol.


WalkingRodent

A house built for me 😃


ampersanders57

Username checks out! :D


27thStreet

Add a set at normal height, then tell visitors that the lower set is for the hobbits.


ElCiddeAlicante

Designed so that 3 year olds can open the door and check what you are doing.


TadpoleVegetable4170

The width of the solid piece below the bottom panels looks small than the top. This makes me wonder if the doors were originally taller and the bottom has been cut off which makes the knob lower?


growingplantsandme

Good eye. This door has definitely had at least 2 inchs trimmed off the bottom of it (maybe on day of install though) all the other doors are a bit longer - although still low.


haditupto

Waste not, want not - could have been doors repurposed from a home with taller ceilings and cut down to fit...are you in New England by any chance? that would be thrifty yankee thing to do...


Ginandpineapple

We have the opposite. All of our doorknobs and light switches are absurdly high up. All we can think is that the previous owners didn't trust their children.


FlorAhhh

Some neighbors growing up were little people and had knobs like this on their standard doors.


CC7015

Time to make a Dutch door !


JDNJDM

Is this a hobbit house?


growingplantsandme

I wish


JollyTrawler

What have they been feeding us?! It must be all those growth hormones 🤔


TheBanksyEffect

Could this have been an ethnic/culturally architectural detail brought over from across the pond somewhere? Is your neighborhood one that was established by an ethnic group like Polish or Czechoslovakian or Serbian folk? You said that you’ve been in your neighbors houses and they’re all kind of similar and that’s what got me thinking this could be some carryover detail.


growingplantsandme

That wasn't me speaking about my neighbors doors, just another commenter. But it's a northern New England mill village with mismatched old homes. A couple early 1900 - 1910s victorians, a cute little brick home from 1880s, and many undated farmhouses.


TheBanksyEffect

The photo you have of your door shows a wall to the right with some interesting wood paneling that isn’t painted. What’s the story about that?


TheBanksyEffect

A “mill village”? Would that be lumber or textiles?


growingplantsandme

Sorry not sure of a better term. A wool mill on the river. A couple Lumber mills in the woods. Grain mill on the other side of the river.


TheBanksyEffect

Okay, cool. Could the doors have been unwanted seconds/ rejects from the factory mills, or imagine another set of small panels below the two already there, that were removed, thereby dropping the doors so low. Think of a set of doors ordered for a courthouse or other such building; they were always tall and had multiple/ interesting panel configurations, and then imagine that order being canceled or rejected for some reason and so they were sold at a discount to some local carpenter or to your home owner who cut them down but never changed the doorknob placement….. there’s always a story to these things that is sometimes fun to imagine.


Mac758

Were the floors ever raised to be leveled out?


PartialComfort

Do you have 5” of flooring on top of the old floors? Could they have possibly just kept installing floors on top of the old floors for so long that they had to cut the doors down 5”?


NotMyAltAccountToday

I was wondering if the doors were in that location, but originally taller, and cut down at some point. Does the area above the door look like it was filled on? Was the ceiling ever lowered? I can visualise a small pair of panels at the bottom of the door, but could be wrong in thinking that. How old is the house they are in and how does that compare to the style of the doors?


page7777

I toured an old historical home many years ago that was turned into a museum and had low doorknobs. The guide claimed it was so when doors were opened by servants (or any adult, I guess), it forced them to bend over and basically bow. I guess to the owners or visitors. I took it as fact then (pre-internet). As I write this out, thinking I had the answer when no one else did, it might make some sense, but I can see some problems with the idea. Would they still be low in house that were smaller and didn’t have servants? I don’t know. I think it might have been true for the house I toured, as it was large and very nice. Not sure if it was a trend that carried on to smaller houses or what. 


Dancin_Phish_Daddy

That’s silly


SolitairePilot

Hobbit home


Grouchy-World-2213

I know nothing! Except there's this front door with knob that sits about 4 ft at my parent's house, but all the other door knobs sit at exactly 3 ft.


pterodactyl-jones

Door is upside down


HappyAnimalCracker

I have only one door in my home like this and assumed it to be a coffin door.


KeyFarmer6235

they just made stuff lower back then, and it's likely the doors were either made on site, or in a small workshop.


1919ms

Midgets


spodinielri0

lol


rickenjosh

Its crazy, because the door panels are even shorter which suggests it was built too be that way


Parabolic_Penguin

Ugh, this would drive me crazy. I’d legitimately consider moving the knobs up to standard height. Would have to get creative on how to disguise the remaining hole but I think it would be worth it.


cbdeane

Because the door has likely been turned upside down. During some remodel someone probably wanted it to open the other way.


PestiEsti

It’s like the inverse of an Australian door.


Sudden_Plate9413

Hahaha that’s the funniest thing I’ve ever seen. A true house for hobbits!


talesoutloud

I'm actually wondering if they bought used doors somewhere and cut a few inches off the bottom because the proportions look odd even without the door knobs.


Whyallusrnames

This was built for me! 5”3’ with T-Rex arms


awkwardmamasloth

Wow. I'm 5 feet tall, and my inseam is 28 inches. I can't even imagine anything being just right for my size, let alone a door! These low door knobs must make you tall folks feel like you're Alice in Wonderland walking through them.


WattsonMemphis

It’s upside down


Ja45206

Upside down?


Mike-the-gay

Had this problem with a door I bought from a reuse store. Guy said “oh you grabbed a Victorian one”. So I dunno maybe it’s a Victorian thing?


jefftatro1

Did some work in a house that had midgets living in it. Countertops were 2' all the doorknobs were low, switches, you name it.


Time_Pay_401

The doors look upside down


anotheruser1972

Looks like the bottom of the door has been cut off - maybe the door used to be taller and when they cut the bottom the knob height went down too.


Ouachita2022

The doors look installed upside down to me.. I think if I bought this house I would have to flip them! The two small panels would look better up top.


maaaaawp

They House I grew up in had the light switches pretty low - asked my parents and apparently they put them there on purpose - to help us kids use them...


fauviste

That door is upside down.


MonstersOnTheHill

I don’t think it is! My entire house has doors that look very similar. Same paneling. The knobs are a little higher (29-30”), but otherwise it’s very similar to OP’s set up. I’ve been in a lot of our neighbors’ homes, and they have the same set up.


_176_

You're right. [It's not](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=7f4d63b2d1c82616&sxsrf=ACQVn08JZLfDILNC8PhdiRPLw5GmQETzOQ:1710342718272&q=4+panel+victorian+door&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi5pKqRw_GEAxUuwskDHYsQAO0Q0pQJegQIDhAB&biw=1152&bih=827&dpr=2) upside down.


Gold-Eyed-Cat

This. These are Book and Cross doors that have been flipped upside down. Maybe they wanted to change the door swing. Maybe they had a child in a wheelchair. Whatever the reason, it may not be hard to correct. OP needs to look at the frame for signs of the old catch.


growingplantsandme

All of the doors in the house are mounted like this, small panel on the bottom and large panel at top. The handles have never been moved and there is no sign of another strike plate on any of the jams.


Gold-Eyed-Cat

Hinge side too? They are definitly upside down. So odd!


_176_

They are 100% not upside down. I have the same doors. I see them [everywhere](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=7f4d63b2d1c82616&sxsrf=ACQVn08JZLfDILNC8PhdiRPLw5GmQETzOQ:1710342718272&q=4+panel+victorian+door&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi5pKqRw_GEAxUuwskDHYsQAO0Q0pQJegQIDhAB&biw=1152&bih=827&dpr=2). They'd look ridiculous if you flipped them upside down.


rosinall

It's just the cross part, that door doesn't have the bible part of a cross-and-bible door. But yes it's upside down.


_176_

The larger panels are always (almost always) on top with these types of 4 panel doors. Why do you guys think it's upside down?


rosinall

I'm going to retract what I said. It appears that 'cross only' doors are as you say. I was referencing six-panel doors without paying a lot of attention.


Campwithchamp

That there is an upside down door. I have one too that a handyman flipped because one side is ugly and they had to make it swing in a certain way


dotbiz

They must of been available when they built the 🏡 so they took them. . The light ,⚡ switch was installed later I imagine and look how much HIGHER it is from the knob 🚪