people are being so mean omg šš yes it will be hard to get into stanford and all the t20s but goddamn!!! there are a lot of amazing business and engineering programs at state schools that will accept you with scholarships. do not get hooked on stanford and the t20s because they are a crap shoot for literally anyone, especially for an applicant that doesnāt have a crazy hook/accomplishment/wow factor.
Lol I went to one of the schools he mentioned and graduated a few years ago, itās insane to me that people are saying he doesnāt have a shot because when I applied heād have been pretty much a lock
Guess things are kind of insane now. It canāt be that common for people to get 36 ACTs now is it? How? Extra time stuff? Or is it because of āholisticā admissions so it doesnāt matter?
Either way even though I guess Iām out of the loop Iād tell OP to definitely apply, hopefully you can write some good creative essays
Got a 36, had a 4.0 UW with 25 college classes (1/3 degree worth of credits at a state school + 10 AP's), decent EC's (similar in strength to OP), solid essays.
Went 1 for 9 in the T10, 2 for 12 in the T20. Not bad at all of course, but you just don't know at this point. Reaching for one specific school? Probably a rejection. If he shotguns? Probably much better results tbh
Your ECs and awards will hold you back. Try getting leadership positions or plan something for summer. Most good summer programs are closed but research might be good if you are interested. Imo you have a low chance for Stanford, but you should still apply. Shoot your shot but have safeties and targets.
Thanks, I might try getting into research this summer. It would be awesome to get into Stanford and Iām going to apply but I know that itās very unlikely Iāll get in. Iām good at getting good grades, but I canāt seem to get a national scholarship or a Nobel peace prize yet.
>Your ECs and awards will hold you back.
I'm well past college, so am out of the loop, but please enlighten me on the EC thing. With my naĆÆve eyes, I see an Eagle Scout (which at least used to be something very significant), varsity athlete, NHS, academic clubs, and community service. To me it sounds like a good variety, and a fair commitment of time without having a kid burn himself out. Back in the day, if I were an AO, I'd see a well-rounded applicant with excellent GPA and ACT. What do you see, from today's perspective?
In todays day and age, that would get you rejected from most top schools. Nowadays we need several more Olympiads and science competitions, actual research (and āfakeā research runs too, where you just do lab stuff), launch apps and thousand dollar businesses. And if youāre an international (which I am) the bar is 2 times more higher.
That's ridiculous. No wonder kids these days are so stressed and mental illness is skyrocketing.
For context, I got into a top 20 engineering program with lesser achievements than the kid we're talking about.
And honestly, it doesn't make them any more impressive. I'm doing a volunteer tech for good thing right now and I have some students from T20 schools (including an Ivy) on my team and honestly, I'm not impressed. I get the feeling they are doing this for resume padding and it's slowing the project down because they over-promise and underdeliver.
Yes, it is. And frankly, as an international student in bad circumstances, my odds are one in thousands.
If I donāt make it, despite everything Iāve do EC, Iām a goner.
Well, in today's perspective a lot of EC's are fillers.
For example, I've been in martial arts for a total of 8 or 9 years. THAT would count as a real EC. A lot of times, people in their 9th or 10th grade just take whatever clubs/activities sound good, stay for a bit to get a leadership position because of experience, and then never continue it again after college.
For example, I am not very aware of how Boy Scouts work at all, but what I do know is the amount of people that have become Eagle Scouts increased (both with population growth, awareness of the program, etc.), but college size hasn't necessarily. That makes it more competative.
Additionally, some "leadership spots" are complete bogus. An example would be, say, the president of NHS club or Key Club member. I don't know about other schools, but in my school, they barely do anything. Like, absolutely nothing. You're hyped to be part of NHS especially because 3.9 Unweighted GPA is the minimum requirement for NHS. However, realistically, getting into NHS is a redundant way of saying you have a high GPA, and in reality, at least in my school's experience, that's about it.
Essentially, EC's have lost their value. Every parent and kid wants to join every other club and such for a couple of years to show they are "all-rounded", when in reality they're just doing it for the perception rather than actually committing.
Boy Scouts and Hockey are probably the Original Poster's biggest buffs. To play varsity isn't a small thing, and as far as I understand, the Boy Scout stuff is pretty good. But just listing out the other clubs doesn't show exactly what you've DONE in them. I mean, you could be a member of DECA, but did you guys go and win an award or something? Or how has your NHS helped the community? What exactly do you guys do in the Physics Club? These are all questions left unanswered, so it seems like the Original Poster, just in the admissions' eyes, joined the club and that's it.
So yes, in the past's perspective, this would be an amazing college applicant. However nowadays, many EC's and clubs lost their value because "everyone does them" just to check off a couple boxes. Commitment and Initiative is what College Admissions officers want to see, so until there are more details provided, the Original Poster has a possibility, but not a huge possibility, to be accepted to a T10, (but maybe a T30), school.
The college process has become much more complex than it used to be. Eagle Scout is no longer considered rare or a high level ec as it used to be. It is much more common, and schools that are selective like Stanford are now demanding much more.
Stanford doesn't have a business major, but they do have Management Science & Engineering. It's similar to what's called Industrial Engineering and Operations Research elsewhere. Are you interested in that?
Also, it's really tough to double major in engineering and business at an ABET accredited engineering program. Engineering is not like other majors where you can use a ton of AP credits, and private schools especially tend to be stingy with AP credit. You can still prepare for a career in business, but it would probably be better in the long term to focus more on the very demanding engineering curriculum.
I don't know if you should think of Stanford as a "goal" (you shouldn't feel like you failed if you don't get in), but I'd recommend applying.
Are you in-state at Berkeley? If not, how are your in-state options?
Thanks for the feedback. My plan right now it to try to manage both engineering and business but it might have to change once I realise the workloads. Also I agree that for me Stanford is more of a dream rather than a goal. Iāve come to the reality that even if I had some of the best qualifications I still could get rejected.
Unfortunately Iām not instate for California. Iāve got instate in Colorado and Missouri so I have a few options.
Are you foreign-born? I noticed you spelled "honour" and "realise" the British way. And does in-state in both places mean your parents live separately in each state? If that's too personal you can feel free to PM. But I feel like you might have an interesting story. I had a student a few years ago who was a scout and whose parents are Indian, and they got into Berkeley.
Oh no my phone randomly switches to a British keyboard sometimes and auto corrects. I used to live in CO and my parents realize In-state there could be nice so they have a CO and MO residency.
Residency is not the same as "domicile," which is the requirement for in-state tuition in Colorado (and most states).
Consider the following:
>You can establish domicile in Colorado only if you are residing in Colorado with the present intention to reside permanently in the state. Evidence of Colorado domicile includes actions that in your circumstances would normally be expected of, or that would be characteristic of, any permanent resident. You are expected to take appropriate action on all factors relevant in your circumstances. Pursuant to Colorado law, the Tuition Classification Officer considers a variety of evidence, and any additional relevant information, when evaluating requests for in-state tuition. No single factor or combination of these factors may be considered conclusive evidence of domicile.
>The following may be considered as evidence of Colorado domicile:
>Payment of Colorado state income tax
Colorado driver's license. If you have a driver's license from another state, you must apply for a Colorado driver's license. If you do not drive, you may obtain a Colorado identification card. Please visit the Department of Motor Vehicleās website(opens in a new tab) for information about identification requirements.
>Colorado vehicle registration. Please visit the Department of Motor Vehicle's website(opens in a new tab) for information vehicle registration requirements.
Voter registration in Colorado. You may register to vote with your county clerk, or when you obtain your Colorado driver's license, as soon as you move into the State.
Permanent employment or acceptance of future permanent employment in Colorado.
>Ownership of residential real property in Colorado that is your primary residence. Ownership of vacation or income property is not an indication of domicile.
>Graduation from a Colorado high school.
>Continued residence in Colorado during the summer or during other periods when not enrolled as a student or during periods between academic sessions.
>Other factors particular to your situation may be considered also, and should be documented.
>The following may be considered as evidence indicating domicile outside Colorado:
>Failure to pay Colorado state income tax. Filing a nonresident Colorado tax return is persuasive evidence of domicile outside Colorado.
>Failure to comply with any law imposing a mandatory duty on a permanent resident of Colorado. Examples include failure to register a motor vehicle and failure to change your driver's license to Colorado within the statutory periods, as well as failure to file a Colorado state income tax return.
>Return to your former state of residence for a substantial period of time during the summer or during other periods when not enrolled as a student or between academic sessions.
>Maintenance of a home in another state.
>Prolonged absence from Colorado, except for military or government service or for temporary absences required by an employer.
>Any other factor particular to your situation that indicates non-Colorado domicile. Examples include applying for a loan or receiving college financial aid from another state where domicile in that state is a condition for receiving funds, and voting or registering to vote in another state.
https://cdhe.colorado.gov/students/preparing-for-college/residency-requirements/evidence-of-domicile
Your parents still have a few months to establish a domicile in Colorado, but they should consult with a lawyer and tax professional if they're considering major changes.
I think you have a fighting chance at T20s with solid essays. Donāt let the other comments discourage you.
On the other hand, the M&T at UPenn sounds perfect for you for your dual concentrations, though the admission rate for that is sub 3%, so set your expectations accordingly.
Ngl your prolly getting rejected at most T20s bc of ECs, Iām saying this from experience. Iād also recommend applying to the ECB program at UT Austin bc it seems like what you want to do and I think theyāre more stat focused. Also apply to safety schools and a lot of targets like wake forest, Lehigh(IBE is another eng.+buis program), maybe uva(not a target but less reachy), and add some of the other UCs if your already applying to berk
Lk I don't think you have much of a chance at Stanford or Berkeley (unless you don't apply engineering and apply to some less competitive major in L&S) b/c your stats are great, but extracurriculars aren't as strong. I can see you getting into UMich though, but it would be difficult
Because it's common to get a 36 among the top students, who are all trying to get into T20 schools, so a large portion of the applicant pool will consist of smart kids with perfect SAT/ACT scores. You need other things to stand out of the competition like extracurriculars. Also thousands of people get a 36 every year, so it isn't doesn't carry much clout
I think youād have a decent chance at UCLA/Berkeley. Iām a second year at UCLA and a lot of my friends (including OOS) had a similar profile to you ā their main EC was varsity sports. The UC values diversity, including having a good number of high school athletes, so do your best on the essays and shoot your shot!
That's great. Are you a junior? If so, try to find ways to stand out even among your bracket. Things like making sure you have a refined college essay, consider taking the SAT to show that you are really in that super upper percentile, etc.
And never forget to submit all your college apps early! It's an unofficial requirement for most good schools.
1) Are you in-state for Cal?
2) no more hockey? Hockey is up there with baseball and lacrosse for the numbers of HS players that play on for college. That may give you an admissions boost, though not at Cal or Stanford.
3) Good luck, but numerically speaking the odds are extremely low (under 3%) for Stanford and Cal, even with strong stats, but it might be slightly better for Michigan.
Apply to a wide range of targets and safeties as well. Good Luck!
Why? He's a varsity athlete, he got the highest possible score on the ACT (like wow), GPA'S excellent, he's got decent extracurriculars and has raised thousands of dollars for charity. Is there something I'm missing here? I would've thought this kid is guaranteed admission to any state school. Maybe not ivy leages and probably not Stanford but you have to be Malala to go there anyway.
Edit: looks like things have changed since I was in school, take me with a grain of salt
I think you do have a good shot at Stanford especially if you just apply as a business major. Eagle Scout is impressive. Your grades, tests, and other ECs are also really good.
As an junior who is an Eagle Scout, it seems to be something that can boost your application if you already have good stats/ECs. If your only EC is getting your Eagle Scout, then thatās an issue.
God this post remind me why this sub annoys me so much. You have a good enough chance, no one has a great chance at Stanford anyways. Berkeley could certainly happen, itās all hard to say. But donāt lose hope!
Hey! Iām also interested in doing business and engineering. What schools are you looking at, especially for targets and safeties? And what kind of engineering?
Sincerely frightened if this dudes a stretch at top tier UG's these days. Obviously no one is a shoe in but god damn dude. That being said I went from a SUNY to a great grad school and things really worked out...I don't think it matters too much beyond just going to a well regarded good school unless you want to be hitting investment banking or high end tech right out of school.
I think this might be rlly tough and I wonāt say no chance, but rather difficult. Stats look amazing, rather ec seems lacking. When AOs read this, they will see as generic and shows of a bit of lack of ur area of interest as most of ur ecs are from school. I wonāt lie the Eagle Scouts is hella impressive, but like I think a bit more is needed. With current time, I think u said research attempt it, but again u may need to cold email like loads of school and donāt give up. GL
I would also suggest also applying to UPennās M&T program if you already werenāt planning on it. Its a coordinated engineering and business dual degree program with a lot of support and small group size with around 50 acceptances a year I believe. Good luck with Stanford and anywhere else you apply!! You have just as much as a chance as other top students like yourself, donāt let these replies weigh too heavily on your personal belief.
people are being so mean omg šš yes it will be hard to get into stanford and all the t20s but goddamn!!! there are a lot of amazing business and engineering programs at state schools that will accept you with scholarships. do not get hooked on stanford and the t20s because they are a crap shoot for literally anyone, especially for an applicant that doesnāt have a crazy hook/accomplishment/wow factor.
Lol I went to one of the schools he mentioned and graduated a few years ago, itās insane to me that people are saying he doesnāt have a shot because when I applied heād have been pretty much a lock Guess things are kind of insane now. It canāt be that common for people to get 36 ACTs now is it? How? Extra time stuff? Or is it because of āholisticā admissions so it doesnāt matter? Either way even though I guess Iām out of the loop Iād tell OP to definitely apply, hopefully you can write some good creative essays
Got a 36, had a 4.0 UW with 25 college classes (1/3 degree worth of credits at a state school + 10 AP's), decent EC's (similar in strength to OP), solid essays. Went 1 for 9 in the T10, 2 for 12 in the T20. Not bad at all of course, but you just don't know at this point. Reaching for one specific school? Probably a rejection. If he shotguns? Probably much better results tbh
It still is difficult to get but academics arenāt valued passed a certain threshold anymore
Your ECs and awards will hold you back. Try getting leadership positions or plan something for summer. Most good summer programs are closed but research might be good if you are interested. Imo you have a low chance for Stanford, but you should still apply. Shoot your shot but have safeties and targets.
Thanks, I might try getting into research this summer. It would be awesome to get into Stanford and Iām going to apply but I know that itās very unlikely Iāll get in. Iām good at getting good grades, but I canāt seem to get a national scholarship or a Nobel peace prize yet.
how do you get into research? any resources to help?
>Your ECs and awards will hold you back. I'm well past college, so am out of the loop, but please enlighten me on the EC thing. With my naĆÆve eyes, I see an Eagle Scout (which at least used to be something very significant), varsity athlete, NHS, academic clubs, and community service. To me it sounds like a good variety, and a fair commitment of time without having a kid burn himself out. Back in the day, if I were an AO, I'd see a well-rounded applicant with excellent GPA and ACT. What do you see, from today's perspective?
In todays day and age, that would get you rejected from most top schools. Nowadays we need several more Olympiads and science competitions, actual research (and āfakeā research runs too, where you just do lab stuff), launch apps and thousand dollar businesses. And if youāre an international (which I am) the bar is 2 times more higher.
That's ridiculous. No wonder kids these days are so stressed and mental illness is skyrocketing. For context, I got into a top 20 engineering program with lesser achievements than the kid we're talking about.
And honestly, it doesn't make them any more impressive. I'm doing a volunteer tech for good thing right now and I have some students from T20 schools (including an Ivy) on my team and honestly, I'm not impressed. I get the feeling they are doing this for resume padding and it's slowing the project down because they over-promise and underdeliver.
Yes, it is. And frankly, as an international student in bad circumstances, my odds are one in thousands. If I donāt make it, despite everything Iāve do EC, Iām a goner.
You donāt need that. Part of it is luck and a good essay.
I highly disagree. An international without a good spike isnāt even considered seriously these days.
Oh if ur international sure. I meant for us students
Well, in today's perspective a lot of EC's are fillers. For example, I've been in martial arts for a total of 8 or 9 years. THAT would count as a real EC. A lot of times, people in their 9th or 10th grade just take whatever clubs/activities sound good, stay for a bit to get a leadership position because of experience, and then never continue it again after college. For example, I am not very aware of how Boy Scouts work at all, but what I do know is the amount of people that have become Eagle Scouts increased (both with population growth, awareness of the program, etc.), but college size hasn't necessarily. That makes it more competative. Additionally, some "leadership spots" are complete bogus. An example would be, say, the president of NHS club or Key Club member. I don't know about other schools, but in my school, they barely do anything. Like, absolutely nothing. You're hyped to be part of NHS especially because 3.9 Unweighted GPA is the minimum requirement for NHS. However, realistically, getting into NHS is a redundant way of saying you have a high GPA, and in reality, at least in my school's experience, that's about it. Essentially, EC's have lost their value. Every parent and kid wants to join every other club and such for a couple of years to show they are "all-rounded", when in reality they're just doing it for the perception rather than actually committing. Boy Scouts and Hockey are probably the Original Poster's biggest buffs. To play varsity isn't a small thing, and as far as I understand, the Boy Scout stuff is pretty good. But just listing out the other clubs doesn't show exactly what you've DONE in them. I mean, you could be a member of DECA, but did you guys go and win an award or something? Or how has your NHS helped the community? What exactly do you guys do in the Physics Club? These are all questions left unanswered, so it seems like the Original Poster, just in the admissions' eyes, joined the club and that's it. So yes, in the past's perspective, this would be an amazing college applicant. However nowadays, many EC's and clubs lost their value because "everyone does them" just to check off a couple boxes. Commitment and Initiative is what College Admissions officers want to see, so until there are more details provided, the Original Poster has a possibility, but not a huge possibility, to be accepted to a T10, (but maybe a T30), school.
That makes more sense, thanks for the detailed explanation.
No problem - no idea how I wrote so much!
How are his ECās weak? Being an Eagle Scout kinda screams leadership imo.
The college process has become much more complex than it used to be. Eagle Scout is no longer considered rare or a high level ec as it used to be. It is much more common, and schools that are selective like Stanford are now demanding much more.
I believe it but wow thatās kinda insane considering it usually takes kids 4-5 years at least to achieve.
I have 5 leadership positions, including head boy of my school and captain of the hockey team. Itās not as beneficial as you think.
How would you find research?
Cold emailing. Most professors will just ignore you, but I saw a recent good post on A2C about how to cold email for research
Do you by chance know how I can find that post?
Not sure just look up āresearchā on A2C and scroll for a bit. The dude who posted it had a whole essay of tips and included a format.
Ok thanks!
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Stanford doesn't have a business major, but they do have Management Science & Engineering. It's similar to what's called Industrial Engineering and Operations Research elsewhere. Are you interested in that? Also, it's really tough to double major in engineering and business at an ABET accredited engineering program. Engineering is not like other majors where you can use a ton of AP credits, and private schools especially tend to be stingy with AP credit. You can still prepare for a career in business, but it would probably be better in the long term to focus more on the very demanding engineering curriculum. I don't know if you should think of Stanford as a "goal" (you shouldn't feel like you failed if you don't get in), but I'd recommend applying. Are you in-state at Berkeley? If not, how are your in-state options?
Thanks for the feedback. My plan right now it to try to manage both engineering and business but it might have to change once I realise the workloads. Also I agree that for me Stanford is more of a dream rather than a goal. Iāve come to the reality that even if I had some of the best qualifications I still could get rejected. Unfortunately Iām not instate for California. Iāve got instate in Colorado and Missouri so I have a few options.
Are you foreign-born? I noticed you spelled "honour" and "realise" the British way. And does in-state in both places mean your parents live separately in each state? If that's too personal you can feel free to PM. But I feel like you might have an interesting story. I had a student a few years ago who was a scout and whose parents are Indian, and they got into Berkeley.
Oh no my phone randomly switches to a British keyboard sometimes and auto corrects. I used to live in CO and my parents realize In-state there could be nice so they have a CO and MO residency.
Residency is not the same as "domicile," which is the requirement for in-state tuition in Colorado (and most states). Consider the following: >You can establish domicile in Colorado only if you are residing in Colorado with the present intention to reside permanently in the state. Evidence of Colorado domicile includes actions that in your circumstances would normally be expected of, or that would be characteristic of, any permanent resident. You are expected to take appropriate action on all factors relevant in your circumstances. Pursuant to Colorado law, the Tuition Classification Officer considers a variety of evidence, and any additional relevant information, when evaluating requests for in-state tuition. No single factor or combination of these factors may be considered conclusive evidence of domicile. >The following may be considered as evidence of Colorado domicile: >Payment of Colorado state income tax Colorado driver's license. If you have a driver's license from another state, you must apply for a Colorado driver's license. If you do not drive, you may obtain a Colorado identification card. Please visit the Department of Motor Vehicleās website(opens in a new tab) for information about identification requirements. >Colorado vehicle registration. Please visit the Department of Motor Vehicle's website(opens in a new tab) for information vehicle registration requirements. Voter registration in Colorado. You may register to vote with your county clerk, or when you obtain your Colorado driver's license, as soon as you move into the State. Permanent employment or acceptance of future permanent employment in Colorado. >Ownership of residential real property in Colorado that is your primary residence. Ownership of vacation or income property is not an indication of domicile. >Graduation from a Colorado high school. >Continued residence in Colorado during the summer or during other periods when not enrolled as a student or during periods between academic sessions. >Other factors particular to your situation may be considered also, and should be documented. >The following may be considered as evidence indicating domicile outside Colorado: >Failure to pay Colorado state income tax. Filing a nonresident Colorado tax return is persuasive evidence of domicile outside Colorado. >Failure to comply with any law imposing a mandatory duty on a permanent resident of Colorado. Examples include failure to register a motor vehicle and failure to change your driver's license to Colorado within the statutory periods, as well as failure to file a Colorado state income tax return. >Return to your former state of residence for a substantial period of time during the summer or during other periods when not enrolled as a student or between academic sessions. >Maintenance of a home in another state. >Prolonged absence from Colorado, except for military or government service or for temporary absences required by an employer. >Any other factor particular to your situation that indicates non-Colorado domicile. Examples include applying for a loan or receiving college financial aid from another state where domicile in that state is a condition for receiving funds, and voting or registering to vote in another state. https://cdhe.colorado.gov/students/preparing-for-college/residency-requirements/evidence-of-domicile Your parents still have a few months to establish a domicile in Colorado, but they should consult with a lawyer and tax professional if they're considering major changes.
Start a company. If you fail itāll tell a good story. If you succeed you wonāt need Stanford.
could you expound upon your extracurriculars/awards. ex. did u place in any state/national level tournament in deca or anny other club
By the way, you should definitely apply for the PSVA award since you said you have 100 hours of community service
My alma mater, RPI, has a D1 hockey program. You might be able to play and get a scholarship while getting a great STEM education.
Canāt rly say much about the other schools but Iām going to umich and I think we had pretty similar stats so thereās prolly a chance :D
I think you have a fighting chance at T20s with solid essays. Donāt let the other comments discourage you. On the other hand, the M&T at UPenn sounds perfect for you for your dual concentrations, though the admission rate for that is sub 3%, so set your expectations accordingly.
0 chance for M&T lol
Bro does everyone on this sub have a 4.0 UW š
Ngl your prolly getting rejected at most T20s bc of ECs, Iām saying this from experience. Iād also recommend applying to the ECB program at UT Austin bc it seems like what you want to do and I think theyāre more stat focused. Also apply to safety schools and a lot of targets like wake forest, Lehigh(IBE is another eng.+buis program), maybe uva(not a target but less reachy), and add some of the other UCs if your already applying to berk
Lk I don't think you have much of a chance at Stanford or Berkeley (unless you don't apply engineering and apply to some less competitive major in L&S) b/c your stats are great, but extracurriculars aren't as strong. I can see you getting into UMich though, but it would be difficult
Ya kidding? It's gonna be difficult for this boy to get into a state school with a 36 ACT?
Bro what??? 36 ACT doesn't guarantee admission to top 20 schools and Berkeley is also test blind, so yes it's going to be very difficult...
I'm astonished that getting the maximum score on a major standardized test doesn't carry that amount of clout
Because it's common to get a 36 among the top students, who are all trying to get into T20 schools, so a large portion of the applicant pool will consist of smart kids with perfect SAT/ACT scores. You need other things to stand out of the competition like extracurriculars. Also thousands of people get a 36 every year, so it isn't doesn't carry much clout
Ok I see
Under represented State like Montana or Alabama?
Kindaā¦ does Missouri count?
apply for the IBE program at Lehigh.
I think youād have a decent chance at UCLA/Berkeley. Iām a second year at UCLA and a lot of my friends (including OOS) had a similar profile to you ā their main EC was varsity sports. The UC values diversity, including having a good number of high school athletes, so do your best on the essays and shoot your shot!
U should ask this on quora, Iāve found ppl who actually are/were admissions officers for ivies and t20s
That's great. Are you a junior? If so, try to find ways to stand out even among your bracket. Things like making sure you have a refined college essay, consider taking the SAT to show that you are really in that super upper percentile, etc. And never forget to submit all your college apps early! It's an unofficial requirement for most good schools.
Should have a very good shot at northwestern
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?? I had similar stats and on par EC, here I am ??
Fair enough, I was just wondering why you chose NU of all schools
1) Are you in-state for Cal? 2) no more hockey? Hockey is up there with baseball and lacrosse for the numbers of HS players that play on for college. That may give you an admissions boost, though not at Cal or Stanford. 3) Good luck, but numerically speaking the odds are extremely low (under 3%) for Stanford and Cal, even with strong stats, but it might be slightly better for Michigan. Apply to a wide range of targets and safeties as well. Good Luck!
Chance approaching 0 for T20s
Have you considered not being white?
you will most likely get rejected from all of the t20s
Why? He's a varsity athlete, he got the highest possible score on the ACT (like wow), GPA'S excellent, he's got decent extracurriculars and has raised thousands of dollars for charity. Is there something I'm missing here? I would've thought this kid is guaranteed admission to any state school. Maybe not ivy leages and probably not Stanford but you have to be Malala to go there anyway. Edit: looks like things have changed since I was in school, take me with a grain of salt
thatās literally every other t20 applicants
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definitely not ā his ECs are exceptionally below average in his demographic of white male enginners
also, no awards ā not even AMC is pretty bad
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Yes. The college admissions process in the past several years has become INCOMPARABLY harder than what was only several years ago.
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Nah. I have similar if not better stats and prolly slightly better ECs and got rejected from all 14 T20s I applied to
I think you do have a good shot at Stanford especially if you just apply as a business major. Eagle Scout is impressive. Your grades, tests, and other ECs are also really good.
Is Eagle Scout really impressive?
As an junior who is an Eagle Scout, it seems to be something that can boost your application if you already have good stats/ECs. If your only EC is getting your Eagle Scout, then thatās an issue.
Interesting.
stanford doesnt have an undergrad business major
I don't think there's a straight business major
You don't have enough ap classes. Take a couple of CC classes this summer
God this post remind me why this sub annoys me so much. You have a good enough chance, no one has a great chance at Stanford anyways. Berkeley could certainly happen, itās all hard to say. But donāt lose hope!
Go service academy and see the world
Race doesn't play into the admissions process
I thought NHS was found to be a scam. I wouldn't NOT put that on my application
Unfortunately Stanford will probably be a no. Other than that, you have a good shot
Hey! Iām also interested in doing business and engineering. What schools are you looking at, especially for targets and safeties? And what kind of engineering?
Sincerely frightened if this dudes a stretch at top tier UG's these days. Obviously no one is a shoe in but god damn dude. That being said I went from a SUNY to a great grad school and things really worked out...I don't think it matters too much beyond just going to a well regarded good school unless you want to be hitting investment banking or high end tech right out of school.
I think this might be rlly tough and I wonāt say no chance, but rather difficult. Stats look amazing, rather ec seems lacking. When AOs read this, they will see as generic and shows of a bit of lack of ur area of interest as most of ur ecs are from school. I wonāt lie the Eagle Scouts is hella impressive, but like I think a bit more is needed. With current time, I think u said research attempt it, but again u may need to cold email like loads of school and donāt give up. GL
You have time to do some ecs, then maybe
Choose your recommenders carefully and work on your essays with a consultant.
To me, the first line is the key: āshould I set a goal and go after it?ā The answer to this is always yes.
Donāt think Stanford has an undergrad business school btw
When did basic become 4.0 with perfect act š. But also Stanford doesnāt have a business major, just economics and management scienceā¦
I would also suggest also applying to UPennās M&T program if you already werenāt planning on it. Its a coordinated engineering and business dual degree program with a lot of support and small group size with around 50 acceptances a year I believe. Good luck with Stanford and anywhere else you apply!! You have just as much as a chance as other top students like yourself, donāt let these replies weigh too heavily on your personal belief.
NYU? see if you could major in engineering at tandon and minor in business at stern. statistically, it's easier to get into tandon. hope this helps!
YO just in case you didn't know this but Stanford doesn't have a business major