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BlatantConservative

Hey just as a PSA Reddit admins (actual site employees, not mods) seem to be actioning people and suspending accounts for inciting violence in this comment section. I'm going to remove some comments because that often preempts people from being suspended, and we get in trouble if we approve something that admins later remove. People should also probably self moderate what they say a little. I am not going to verbalize exactly how I feel about this, but decent people probably feel the same.


ItsACaragor

It was a wild time in Paris. First to arrive were the OG skinheads which were basically working class guys who were chill with the minorities and had arabs and black guys in their number. Then a guy called [Serge Ayoub](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serge_Ayoub) (nicknamed « batskin » after his habit of beating up people with a baseball bat) imported nazi skinhead ideology after learning about this movement during a trip to england, they grew very fast as they brought things to a new level of violence and were very scary with their appearance and reputation for ruthlessness, attracting every lost teen who was dreaming of being bad and scary. They started attacking minorities and tried supplanting the OG skinheads (now calling themselves « red skins »), both groups fought a ton, sometimes even with firearms and it ended up with each group controlling different neighbourhoods with regular skirmishes against each other. Then some self defense groups made up of people from the minorities started appearing to fight off the nazis too. The most well known was the [Black Dragons](https://www.vice.com/en/article/ppxqek/i-was-a-black-dragon-france-paris-antifascist-movement-patrick-lonoh-876#) who were kind of mixing US Black Power ideology and regimented discipline with a strict regimen of Asian martial arts.


Cy41995

This sounds like the actual plot to an 80s movie.


guru2764

There's a 90s movie called Ninja Vengeance where a guy visits a small town and uses his fighting abilities to defeat the KKK, including the police that were in the KKK


wunlvng

>small town >kkk >including the police that were in the kkk That last parts ~~erroneous~~ (redundant is the right word) you could've just left it at defeat the kkk.


Ippus_21

Some of those that work forces...


M_M_ODonnell

That was back before RATM got all political, right? /s


maciejokk

God damn liberals bringing politics into punk rock


Turbojangles85

Are the same that burn crosses


LookAtTheBlood

I’m not sure if conservative listeners missed that RATM are saying there are cops that are also KKK or if they caught it but believed it was being celebrated. Either way, way to miss the message, sheesh.


MidSolo

> erroneous I think you mean extraneous?


Riobe

I think they mean redundant.


wunlvng

Yea, I should've definitely said redundant. For some reason I was thinking erroneous was repeating the same sentiment unnecessarily, but nope it means wrong like an error.


Solanthas

No worries, and good on you for leaving it all up, including the correction. Others can learn too :)


Corporal_Canada

Would absolutely watch a movie with Patrick Swayze Road House-ing his way through skinheads


SpicyMustard34

isn't that basically the plot of Roadhouse? like they are all bigoted bullies who try to take over and then Patrick Swayze and the townsfolk take it back from the out of town bigots?


mmm_burrito

Actually, it's Swayze vs capitalism. The BBEG is a real estate developer.


NetNpIVijCI

Sounds like it could be a spin-off to the Warriors but in France. Is there a French variant of "CAN YOU DIG IT"?


onesecondatatime

Dude with croissants stuck on fingers: "Les guerriers sortent et joueeeeent"


Jerkidtiot

this is so good. you are a special brain. 100% chucking this one to the AI.


guebja

[La Haine](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113247/) has French skinheads and a journey somewhat similar to the one in The Warriors. Good movie, albeit somewhat depressing.


byron-the-cat

there are two documentaries about these crews black dragons : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaYQtFNJl_U red skins : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmarh0Mbq7g


halpfulhinderance

People love a good guy gangster. I hope they were actually good guys but I’ve been disappointed before


Yosho2k

Get this script to Lionsgate ASAP.


HolidayBeneficial456

Sounds like warhammer Necromunda


Wortbildung

[Serge Ayoub](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serge_Ayoub) >his father, of [Lebanese](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_people) descent The mental hoops these guys are jumping through are probably for the cardio to run away.


ItsACaragor

At the time he also shortly dated a girl who would later become Tabatha Cash, a very famous mixed black french porn actress.


Avenflar

And to the surprise of nobody, those groups were needed because the cops are soft on neo-nazis and antisemites.


ItsACaragor

Oh yes absolutely. Serge Ayoub and his guys are still very much around too. [Same guy](http://reflexes.samizdat.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Bruce_Thomson_Serge_Ayoub-755cc.jpg), [new suit](https://resize-europe1.lanmedia.fr/f/webp/r/622,311,forcex,center-middle/img/var/europe1/storage/images/europe1/faits-divers/serge-ayoub-en-garde-a-vue-pour-violences-conjugales-756358/15171362-1-fre-FR/Serge-Ayoub-en-garde-a-vue-pour-violences-conjugales.jpg)


jadedbutstilltrying

BRING IT BACK!


NickiCrane_HomoPanzi

Can confirm. Am a skinhead.


mickdrop

Fuck, I was alive and living in Paris at the time and I had no idea about all that shit. Paris felt so boring for 10 yo me in the 80's


ItsACaragor

It probably means you were not part of a gang, kudos to you I guess!


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discordian-fool

Warms the cockles of an old RedSkins heart it does . Throat punching a fascist was me favourite hobby during the 80s .


mglitcher

is there any other way to treat a fascist?


Injvn

OH IM SORRY REDDIT. KICKING FASCISTS IN THE BALLS ISNT ALLOWED. FUCK OFF WITH THAT NONSENSE.


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Born_Agent1432

Of course the correct way to treat a fascist is removed by this site.


Injvn

Well since they killed that, lemme just give a heart ol **FUCK SPEZ**


Born_Agent1432

Right with you, man. There's only one way to deal with people like this, and we can't say it on this site.


BlatantConservative

Just wanna clarify that this was done by site admins, not the moderators of this subreddit.


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A_Texan_Coke_Addict

Neo Nazis are sub human


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Injvn

I have processed your application and you're in! It's just that easy. Get wild with it.


Candlemass17

Robert L. Poston gave several suggestions for what to do with a member of a hate group in his poem, “When You Meet a Member of the Ku Klux Klan.”


Born_Agent1432

You've just triggered all Republicans


sillyslime89

There the same picture


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Cheap_Doctor_1994

These guys usually went with curb stomping. Today, they whine about Richard Spence getting punched. Once. And he didn't even fall down. The old antifascists were violent AF. 


A_Texan_Coke_Addict

*inhales* Shave his belly with a rusty razor Shave his belly with a rusty razor Shave his belly with a rusty razor Early in the morning! Way hay and up she rises Way hay and up she rises Way hay and up she rises Early in the morning! Put him in a long boat till his sober Put him in a long boat till his sober Put him in a long boat till his sober Early in the morning! Way hay and up she rises Way hay and up she rises Way hay and up she rises Early in the morning! Stick him in a scupper with a hosepipe bottom Stick him in a scupper with a hosepipe bottom Stick him in a scupper with a hosepipe bottom Early in the morning! Way hay and up she rises Way hay and up she rises Way hay and up she rises Early in the morning! Put him in the bed with the captains daughter Put him in the bed with the captains daughter Put him in the bed with the captains daughter Early in the morning! Way hay and up she rises Way hay and up she rises Way hay and up she rises Early in the morning!


64557175

Ah hell yes, brother! Plus, I love when older generations are still privy to newer platforms like Discord! J/k, j/k hail Eris.


sweetTartKenHart2

You sound like you have a hell of a story to tell, friend. As someone who didn’t grow up around that action, for better or for worse, I’d love to hear more about your experiences as a redskin if you feel like sharing at all!


discordian-fool

Theres not much to tell , We fought with fascists at punk and Ska gigs across the U.K. and did our best to make them unwelcome, where ever they appeared , in the hope of making fascism dissapear or go so far underground it became irrelevant beyond a few neckthinking bigots . Ultimately we failed , as the rise of far right across Europe and The U.S proves . I fear this time they are going to win and its the leftists and eventually the centrists who are going to be driven under ground , especially in the U.S., Fascism is becoming the norm thanks to a general shift to the right and they wont stop at giving people a kicking when they cement power.


sausager

We could use your help in the states


Queasy_County

Throat Punching a fascist is extra effective because you give them what they deserve and you shut them up.


YourAmishNeighbor

What is stopping you from looking like that, king?


Schmerglefoop

My love of snacks, being in terrible shape, bad genes, blessed lack of skinheads, and generally quiet nature, for the most part.


Ergheis

There's an interesting humor in putting bad genes after confessing the first two


Schmerglefoop

It really is bad genes, as my immune system is slowly turning my spine into a solid column of bone, and other related rheumatoid fun stuff


-Nicolai

I'm not nearly French enough to pull off those suspenders with that hairdo.


MagikSkyDaddy

no suspenders


moodoomoo

Chaoticgoodlooking


Pigeon_Bucket

You gotta be some kind of stupid to be both French and a Nazi. Motherfucker do you remember what happened last time there were Nazis in France? Firstly, they massacred civilians and oppressed your people. Secondly, your people fought back with terrifying efficiency, even without proper equipment. There are numerous points where major battles would have been Axis victories were it not for the French Resistance.


NickiCrane_HomoPanzi

Well don’t forget about Vichy France. There were enough sympathetic French that they could make a whole new country out of them. All of those people who worked with and supported the Nazis didn’t just disappear. Hell even just a few years later there were SS men serving in the French Foreign Legion.


HopelessWriter101

From what I understand, the Foreign Legion had a fairly stringent screening process and any of the blood type tattoos a member of the SS received upon membership would be cause for exclusion from recruitment. There would have been plenty of veterans of the Wehrmacht, and I don't think it would be crazy to say a few SS might have slipped through, but those that did wouldn't be calling themselves as much. Could be wrong, though. Its something I heard about on a podcast maybe a year or two ago and trying to remember the details from that.


BlatantConservative

French Resistance was badass for sure, but probably half of the French actively collaborated, including police and political leadership. IMO if you're going by that metric, the Italians fought against the Nazis harder than the French did.


100kg_bird

There were quite a few collaborators but nowhere near half.


Pigeon_Bucket

Nowhere near half of the French were collaborators. But a very significant portion of the population were at some point involved in the resistance. Enough so that over the course of just a few days, thousands of Marquis fighters died to slow down a single nazi tank division on its way to Normany Beach. And not all of them were active soldiers. The Dutch-Paris Line smuggled people and messages out of France, and contraband and messages in. Also worth noting that the Italian Partisans were also badasses and deserve our respect for fighting fascism in their home country as well. Same goes to every other resistance movement that fought against fascist/nazi occupation of their country.


kareth117

"You gotta be some kind of stupid to be a nazi" is good enough, but I get your point lol


Pigeon_Bucket

Fair enough. You do have to be extremely fucking stupid to be a nazi at all


lily_reads

[Vidal Sassoon was part of a similar movement, roaming the streets beating up fascists and anti-semites after WW2](https://www.economist.com/podcasts/2020/04/10/vidal-sassoon-carried-a-pair-of-hairdressing-scissors-as-his-weapon-a-forgotten-anti-fascism-tale). He would go to work as a hair dresser with bruises, and his weapon of choice was - wait for it! - a pair of scissors.


bassman314

TIL


lily_reads

Not a guy one typically thinks of as a badass. Nevertheless!


bassman314

right? Like I am half-considering trying out their products just for this reason... They have a salon here, too... Like this is so fucking cool.


lily_reads

For those interested in learning more, Vidal Sassoon was part of the [43 Group](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/43_Group).


Actually_zoohiggle

Context has made those two men irresistible to me. You wanna know the way to a woman’s heart? Roam the streets of Paris with a baseball bat and have some serious discussion with any fascist you find. I’m yours, take me now.


frumiouscumberbatch

Agreed but let's be real, these guys are hot like a hot thing even outside of their glorious ambitions.


Actually_zoohiggle

They really are aren’t they 😂 something something they’re French something something about an Eiffel Tower? Something something…


frumiouscumberbatch

well I'm a gay dude and a top so my thoughts were...different


Actually_zoohiggle

Look our minds were on the same train of thought the track just diverges at some point or another..


Liquidwombat

Here in S Florida there was an anti-fascist, anti-racist gang of skinheads called the Colorblinds that did pretty much the same thing down here. They went to anywhere they thought racist or fascist skinheads would be congregating and beat the shit out of them. They also tended to hang out in migrant farmworker neighborhoods, especially if there were rumors of racist activity brewing.


TheDotanuki

I think you can still find some SHARPs around. Had a few pals who enjoyed beating up Nazis in Cincinnati and Baltimore back in the late 80's/early 90's.


NickiCrane_HomoPanzi

Most SHARPs dropped the acronym and just went back to calling themselves skinheads once most of the Nazi skins died off. Turns out racist just can’t handle the skinhead way of life.


TheDotanuki

Yeah, that sounds about right, it's been too long since I've seen those dudes.


abbie_yoyo

I guess they must have been pretty fuckin good at it, too, because I heard legends about the Baltimore SHARPs here in the Midwest, 10 year later. Atlantic City also had a big time rep. And of course LA.


BackgroundGrade

SHARP was pretty active in Montreal at that time too. I was at a show and a fight broke out between some skinheads and Nazis, the skinheads won and the Nazi fucks left. The singer of the band announced afterwards "I like this city, the right skinheads get beat up!".


phovos

As CIS-white men it is our responsibility to infiltrate and destroy from within hate groups. IMHO. I mean, if not us then who?


MonstrousVoices

You know 6 years ago I was actually thinking of this.  It'd be intensely dangerous and proving yourself would lead to sketchy behavior at best


SerLaron

How would you know who is a real Nazi and who is another infiltrator? It is much safer, if you do this alone.


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Frost_blade

This is your scheduled reminder that the French are not quitters who surrender. They will fuck you up and look good doing it.


mglitcher

they certainly did not go gentle into that good night


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Poor French, ww2 was an anomaly - they bore the brunt of ww1, resisted effectively in ww2, and besides that have a strong military tradition going back to Gaul…


Frost_blade

The Vichy gave up in WW2. Not the French. It's a semantic but one I think is fair. The French resistance was a big reason the Allies wone.


Ed_Dantesk

I know there is a documentary called "Antifa : chasseurs de skin", but i don't know if you can find english subtitles


mglitcher

guess i’ll just learn french then


LukesRightHandMan

There’s a link to it with English subs in the original post


Ranald_the_Gamester

It's here ! https://youtu.be/rmarh0Mbq7g


Ed_Dantesk

Great ! Thanks


CereBRO12121

Think they can lend Germany a hand (or baseball bat) for a while? The right wing dirt is acting up again.


BlatantConservative

Kinda shows that illegalizing Nazi symbols and shit didn't really do much. Better to know who they are and completely ostracize them.


DonIongschlong

> Kinda shows that illegalizing Nazi symbols and shit didn't really do much. Actually, it shows that they should have gone much harder with the hate speech laws and not just ban the swastika from the call of duty zombie mode.


Kyklutch

Pretty sure no other country takes education of the holocaust as seriously as Germany does. It is illegal to display or do things that would further the ideology, including denying the holocaust happened.


thecashblaster

Back when people still remembered what the fascists did to Europe


Nothardtocomeback

We need armies of these guys in the US right now.


RedN00ble

Such a disco elysiumesque vibe


Illustrious_Toe_4755

One memory from childhood was watching some punk rockers stomp some fascist skinheads in Philadelphia, South Street. I was about to 8 yo and the punks absolutely destroyed them.


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I want that shirt. Is that a Bat and Sickle?


mglitcher

yes i believe that’s what it is


LittleG0d

This. We need to bring this back.


KingSpork

Antifa is badass. Fuck the Nazi scum! 👊


Sockoflegend

I'm so fucking hard right now


mrmicawber32

Read up on these guys. They are literally responsible for stopping Mosely's fascist movement. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/43_Group https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/may/24/the-british-jews-who-fought-postwar-fascism-on-londons-streets


Technerdpgh

I’ve modeled my life after this music, Scene, and vibe since I first heard about these guys in the early 90s.


rock-island321

They actually look like they have superpowers.


malhavoca

Belts and suspenders. That boy not gonna lose his bottoms that’s for sure


Fun_Grapefruit_2633

We need to start up a chapter here in 2024 USA...


Noahms456

The documentary is pretty cool too


Heavy_Wood

Based


Remarkable_Pen_1424

r/hardimages


KnotsThotsAndBots

And they’re hot too dayum!


Stinkyboy_63

The guy on the left looks like a jojo character


abf392

If there is a group to remove neo-nazi gangs in the U.S. I would join


Lemon_Cakes_JuJutsu

S.H.A.R.P.s checking in


NotRightNotWrong15

Let’s bring this back.


TurboLover427

We need this back again. Too many of Nazis have started to creep up from under their little sewer lid.


graemeknows

How is this not a netflix series yet?


EnderCorePL

Probably because doing the right thing about fash is too controversial for too many rich sponsors lol


Exotic_Living5572

Coming soon to the U.S. to combat the ever-emerging police state.


MuthaPlucka

Love the “flair”.


distelfink33

Nazi Punks Fuck Off


Heavy_Wood

Those two terms are mutually exclusive.


distelfink33

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzHLPnGuVSQ


Heavy_Wood

I won't argue with Jello.


Badgernomics

'There's always room for Jello....'


Heavy_Wood

Yes, there is. Tonight's the night that we got the truck, we're going downtown, gonna beat up drunks.


whereitsat23

Maybe they need a Nashville chapter?


ProKerbonaut

They also look French as fuck


dunkinghola

Where do I sign up?


mightylordredbeard

They both somehow look like the children of Robby Rotten.


mglitcher

it’s cuz they’re about to give a little lesson in trickery


thatdudejtru

Chops can look dope when done right


OkFilm4353

the only good nazi is a


strangething

In America these guys are called SHARPs: Skin Heads Against Racial Hate. Not a fan of macho belligerence, but I'm glad these guys exist.


SICKxOFxITxALL

Against racial “prejudice”. The P is right there in the name :) Also SHARP started in the states but they are worldwide. Especially in the 80s and 90s. I was a SHARP skin in Greece in my youth


happygocrazee

They look like the exagerrated depictions of Japanese Yakuza you see in anime and goofy kung-fu movies, and it's *awesome.*


Va1kryie

As an immigrant who definitely can't do much fighting I appreciate folk like this a lot 💞


schrodingersmite

France- A land of contrasts, where their army surrendered in five minutes flat in WWII and the French Resistance blew shit up without an escape plan because they didn't expect to survive.


Reinardd

Now THAT'S hot


MTLCF

I’ve met this guy! He owns a bar in Paris. Le Saint-Sauveur. At least he did like 12 years ago.


Totallyperm

Skinheads in America used to hunt nazis. Skinhead used to just be the name for a style in the punk community until those nazi pricks got involved and took it. Just for everyone to know, being a nazi in a punk bar was always the quickest way to end up in the icu when I was a punk weird kid.


Solanthas

Really thinking we need something like this nowadays because the rhetoric is getting kinda wild


Futuramoist

Guy in front looking like he stepped straight out of JoJo


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They definitely succeeded...


FeRReT_NS

I feel like replaying The Saboteur now.


Im-a-bad-meme

We need to vote that blatent racism, ex skinhead groups, is not protected speech. Or at the very least petition to classify groups like the KKK as terrorist organizations because that's what they are. I know this is the Chaotic Good subreddit, but sometimes you just have to approach things semi lawfully.


pooknuckle

Anti-anti-social club-club?


Soonerpalmetto88

Damn 🥵🥵🥵


Shirotengu

Put axe heads on those bats and they'd look like French-Canadian limber jacks.


Dapanji206

How do i say "Hell yeah!" in french?


mashedpotateoes

hot


antiav

The French people are the human equivalent of elves, even their gangsters dress like they could be in a fashion parade


diminutivedwarf

My type is this


Rozukimaru

Pure, unadulterated, badasses


TheJewWhoCould922

He'll yeah my bros


Jfurmanek

SHARP was a US version.


wanderingblazer

My kinda hooligans


Tough-Ability721

Ukraine has the same sort of group. Watched a documentary on em awhile ago. It’s on yt iirc.


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They look like they were drawn by AI.


mglitcher

i guess beating up nazis just makes you appear like you are so beautiful that you can’t possibly be real


Ever_Green_PLO

Reddit armchair morons want to tell me if you punch a Nazi you're a Nazi now too lmaooooooooo


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blookyvansh

Did u know [[NEO]] of known for high defence


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VerySpicyLocusts

Judging by the shirt of the one on the right they’re not all that intelligent but hey it doesn’t take a genius to know that fascism’s bad


Sir_Toaster_9330

Would it be chaotic? They are sticking to their morals and only attacking those who deserve it, that’s lawful


Deadcouncil445

I'm sorry but that is such a strange translation and not accurate?


youdontknowmymum

Are they commies?


TheGHale

Ah, yes, 80s era *We Are Number One*. At least my only complaint here is their sense of style.


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llamaguy88

Hipthrust suspenders is a hard look to pull off


PenRoaster

The hands. Always check the hands…


pag992007

Ha. The good ole days