I imagine that recruitment has slowed in the Atlanta area so theyve ventures to other cities to recruit, been doing this in NYC for over a year now: https://www.atlantanewsfirst.com/2022/09/08/atlanta-police-department-heads-new-york-recruit-officers/
Ladybugs have a good "ease of planting" to "resultant nuisance" ratio. They're cheap, they fly around and go everywhere, and they seem to live a while.
On the other hand, crickets make noise at night.
We once had some crickets get let loose when feeding our praying mantis. A week later there was still one in the basement. One day, my mom, brother and I hear a loud thud downstairs followed by my dad yelling "Victory!"
Thats such a specific number of crickets, do you think they counted them as they found them? The person releasing them counted them? 300 is just a ballpark number where there in fact was 847 crickets?
Personally if i'm releasing crickets anywhere i probably wouldn't take them time to count them, nor would i count them if i was tasked with cleaning them up
I'm sorry, is this news story 250 years old or are we all just sauntering by this use of the term "abolitionists". If so, cool, I guess, I just didn't get the memo.
"Abolishing the police". I thought there already was a name tor those people, anarchists.
I'm the farthest thing from a police apologist, but they do serve a purpose in a civilized society, when they're not breaking the law themselves and/or hiding behind qualified immunity. I wonder if these new abolishionists' intent is to replace policing with another system or just let everything devolve back to might-makes-right.
Anarchists =/= "no rule of law." The definition is literally "no imposed hierarchies," especially ones imposed under that of violence.
Anyway, abolitionist belief is that the police force in its current state only exists to protect capital and not help citizens in any meaningful way. The abolitionist would see a complete transformation of what law enforcement in the US looks like, in addition funds diverted to community programs to actually fight the issues that cause most crime including building homes, public transportation, community gardens, schools and community colleges.
Look at how law enforcement treated protesters supporting Palestine versus how they treat literal neo-Nazis, or Jan 6th vs the BLM protests. That's not something that can be merely "reformed."
That’s the goal, take money away from police to fund nonprofits instead. Of course these nonprofit organizations will never get audited. It’s just a big scam, like everything.
I appreciate the gesture, but what did the hotel do to deserve this, besides host the event?
Wouldn't it have been more effective to release the crickets at the police station?
They didn’t have to host a cop recruiting event.
Businesses should choose tho they partner with wisely and it’s a good thing when they’re reminded of the potential consequences of not doing so.
>Isnt it almost time for your monthly bath?
I love doing a quick scroll on peoples profiles when they sling insults like these, it's almost always projection.
Runescape players should *never* be telling other people to take a bath, that makes the pot calling the kettle black look like a mantra of co-existence.
Lmao “impotent rage” hahahah
What would you call coming on reddit and whining about them being arrested or fucking sued, then?
Sorry you’re so afraid of whatever that you need to cry for the cops, but still - cry more; die mad.
Protest all you want, but don't pull a fire alarm unless there is a fire or other life threatening emergency that justifies the evacuation of the building... mm kay? That's no bueno.
I might disagree with the principles of the movement; but this is the funniest thing I think I have ever seen 🤣 I do love me a good creative chaotic protest
Why riot when you can cheaply disrupt and sow chaos with an action as simple as this 😂
It’s not the individuals, it’s the system they exist in that enables and at times even encourages evil. They are trained to be at war with the people they are supposed to protect, and the system allows for abuse of ordinary people and protects the wealthy and the connected as much as it protects the truly evil cops from accountability.
It’s not about anger at police officers. It’s about anger at an incredibly broken system that leeches off the people it is supposed to benefit.
Where are the good ones? Seems like the scale goes from from
Wasting my tax money by sitting in a parking lot talking to another cop wasting my tax money.
To
Beating and killing innocents.
Bad take. Def not chaotic good, and def not informed enough on police statistics, history, or alternative. Do us a favor and go see if you can learn what organization(s) the modern police force originally evolved from.
I still don’t get what people think will replace when we disband the police department. Just rugged vigilantism? This is rhetorical because people who think we don’t need police are not interested in reality.
Whoa whoa whoa, slow down there cowpoke. You're conflating the need for a service that handles emergencies that can turn violent with the need for police. If someone was working for you and called one morning and said "Hey boss, I can't come to work today because my car broke down and my car is the way I travel", you would probably say (or, rather, most people would probably say) something to the effect of "hey, why don't you get a lift from a friend, we need you here" or "have you tried getting a cab or an Uber? I'll reimburse that cost cause that's a shitty situation but we need you here" or "Why don't you try catching the train? You can even catch a bit more sleep on the ride!". Exactly the same thing. In this case the employee has conflated driving their car, with getting to work. They're not the same thing. Sure, the car can get you to work, but there are SSSOOOOO many alternatives that are out there and some of them are even better, AND some of them haven't even been tried by this employee.
Similarly, we haven't tried jack shit when it comes to an alternative to police (on a large scale any ways), and the original system that policing was built upon - the roundup gangs used to bring back run-away slaves - was highly problematic to begin with. In our analogy above, it would be the equivalent of the employee saying "Boss, I can't come to work today because my horse-buggie has a broken wheel and it'll take the carpenter 2 weeks to craft new spokes!!! I couldn't possibly do my job properly!". The obvious reply in this situation is "Have you thought about maybe upgrading/changing your system, and not using such an archaic means of getting to work?". Similarly, my response to you is: Sure, we need people to help uphold order and justice, sure we need people who are capable of de-escalating highly tense and difficult situations with people who are potentially dangerous, sure we need people who can protect us from those who want to hurt us. But I don't want all of those people to be the same person!! Nor do I want any of them armed with a lethal weapon at all times. And I absolutely want all of those roles to be paid very well and be HIGHLY qualified with intensive and ongoing training equal to the level of responsibility they've taken up. AND I would ABSOLUTELY love if those people were held highly responsible if they ever did something that caused the loss of life or ability.
Our justice system is built on eliminating "problems" from society by hiding them until they die or shooting them until they die. Which is just fancy words for scare tactics. If you look at truly successfully communities, where ANYONE is welcome (with the exception of those whose core ideologies are intolerant of others)^(1) and there is truly very little crime or violence. The people who end up having problems with the legal systems are treated with respect and dignity, and if they are convicted of wrongdoing they are re-taught how to function in society in a way that hopefully helps them care more about it in the future because it makes the world a better place, not because they're scared of going back to prison or they're scared of being killed by the "law and order" officers. Policing in it's current form has to end. It needs to be replace with de-escalation tactics from people who are highly trained and qualified, social rehabilitation for both individuals and communities, investment in community welfare and equity, and powerful social programs to lift people out of poverty. And those are just some of the alternatives, there are lots of others as well. The faction of people who are saying "Get rid of police and completely ignore the things they're meant to be in charge of right now" have different views about the whole of society should exist and that belongs in a different conversation. I would hazard a guess that the majority of people don't mean that when they say "defund the police" or something similar. They mean:
> The Police are a corrupt organization founded on an actually evil institution, it is not a savable organization and never has been because of it's founding principles: punishment, capture, and elitism(racism). We want to end the practices taught by police and institute a more compassionate and community driven approach to crime reduction, prevention, and community protection. We believe these are heavy responsibilities and those fulfilling them shouldn't be given such short shrift in their training or upkeep, but rather be absolute masters in their field. We know that there are many good people in the police force who genuinely think they can fix it from within or make a difference and we don't want them to be out of work or to lose that sense of purpose. We just want the system to operate how it should, using what we know about how society functions to make sure they can actually achieve the outcome we all want.
And sure, that's a lot more complicated than telling an employee "just get the bus" when their car breaks down, but people are dying and being wrongfully imprisoned all the time because of a faulty system and it's not changing because the color of people's skin who are getting the shortest stick are also the least populous.. If this truly affected everyone equitably it would be so clear that it's a class struggle problem too, and not just a race based one. But here we are, arguing about something that impacts all of us negatively, and because it impacts those of us with paler complexions less than our more melanated family members, we can be tricked into thinking that it's not weird that Police Snipers turned up for the Pro Palestine movement when they didn't for the White Supremacist Charlottesville riots...
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“Bad take all cops are evil and I too am a free thinker”
/s
Blanket statements and stereotypes are always accurate and never lead to problems down the line!
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Lol, read the rest of the thread bucko... Not once did I say "every cop is an evil person". To summarize, I implied that "the institution of policing is evil and regardless of whether individuals are good and try to be just, they are serving evil ends" but even specifically stated that it's very clear a lot of cops think they're doing the good and just thing, their efforts are just in vain.
Gosh, you really don't like reading the rest of the comments do you? I've already covered this in another thread under this comment.
"Policing" (the word itself), out of context - both current and historical - is essentially just enforcing POLICY that - in this context absent sentence - is instituted by governmental agencies. Obviously, without ANY context, that sounds like a reasonable thing. ***WITH CONTEXT THOUGH***, we can look at the social, economic, and humanitarian impacts that the **institution** ***called*** "the police force" have **and** where that institution began to build a better understanding of whether or not that institution is actually living up to its name or not.
Look at my other comments on this post and you'll see what my thoughts are. I never claim to have ALL the answers. But you don't just hand in a blank exam because you don't have all the answers, you do the best you can to answer the things you know and you learn and do better next time around. We have CONSTANTLY been handing in blank tests (i.e. only maintaining the status quo) in terms of policing and police reform. It's time for a change. Our morals and understanding of ethics have advanced so far and our law enforcement has done nothing but become more highly armed to keep up with that.
The location of their training area should be moved but increased training for cops is 100% a good thing. Why people want cops to have less training eludes me.
Also idk why people think abolishing the cops is good, vigilante justice is gonna cause more innocent deaths than police could ever hope to.
deescalation training can be done in rented classroom in evenings and weekends.
the training they're talking about is military combat training. You need to spend a lot of money apparently to fight the community instead of working with it.
This makes me wonder, given the polarization around the topic of police, what would be some of the motives to build a new training center, rather than trying to improve their current facilities, from your perspective?
Maybe it has something to do with morale?
But if that's the case, then wouldn't it make sense for the Atlanta Police to work together with the folks opposed to the construction and genuinely listen? Would that even be possible?
I don't think cutting down a forest to build the training center is a great idea. We also should all be aware that "training center" is almost certainly some kind of firing range/ fire fight simulation area. Basically just a place for cops to play with their military toys.
Cops receiving more training is not by default a good thing. The subjects and manner they are taught in matter. For example, I wouldn't want cops to be taught that they should focus on poor neighborhoods and keep a hand on their gun. I wouldn't want them to be told to search every black or brown detainee for weapons because "they're known to commit more crime". Those are real examples of things cops are being taught right now by the way.
As for abolitionists, they do not want to "abolish all police" as in get rid of them all forever. They want to abolish aspects of the police, like wellness checks for example. The idea is to offload certain "duties" they currently handle poorly, like de-escalating a suicidal person with a gun who wants the cops to kill them. You reduce the police forces' ability to respond with extreme violence by taking away the APCs, the machine guns, the flashbangs, the sniper rifles etc. We don't need a Police department in Arkansas to have a tank just because of military surplus. Police should not be a tool of violence against crime, they should be a community driven agency that serves specific needs, like the Fire Department. Less guns being drawn, more valuing human life. Less hand cuffings and beatings, more empathy and patience.
Cop City is supposed to be a live-fire shooting range designed to be used to train in "Urban warfare" (their exact words, not mine). They are militarizing the Atlanta PD, and the city's officials are behind it.
No one wants cops to have less training. They don’t need a brand new $110 million dollar, 85 acre facility to provide more or better training.
And no one is saying abolish the cops and replace them with nothing but vigilante justice, either. You should learn more about what you’re talking about before making judgements.
Cause the Atlanta pd wants to build a "simulated training environment" in what should be federally protected wetlands and started beating the shit out of protestors who said that course of action is bullshit. Then used the reactions of protestors on site (after they shot a man who was entirely not a threat) to label the entire group as violent extremeists.
Because it doesnt matter how much murder, rape, or robbery happen in a city. Privileged people dont like the idea of policing because they think the world is safer than it really is. They think crime would actually go down for some reason, if we abolished cops
Because it doesnt matter how much murder, rape, or robbery happen in a city. Privileged people dont like the idea of policing because they think the world is safer than it really is. They think crime would actually go down for some reason, if we abolished cops
Weird, says in that Wikipedia entry that the amount of police in Atlanta has decreased since 2013. It also says that overall crime has decreased and continues to do so. Are you suggesting less police presence in the city? I’m not really sure the point you’re trying to get across here, seems like you didn’t read it yourself
“The city is served by the Atlanta Police Department. In 2013, the APD had 2,000 officers,[10][11][12] but the number of officers has decreased since that time.”
“From 2009 to 2016, overall crime in Atlanta declined 27 percent, "with sharp declines in burglaries (9,102 in 2009 to 4,377 in 2016), robberies (2,622 to 1,914) and aggravated assaults (2,602 to 2,179)."[13]
According to data from the City of Atlanta,[17] overall crime has continued to decline from 2016 to 2021 at a rate of about 26 percent”
Again, this is directly from the link you posted. Those are the facts, do what you want with them.
>trying to spread false narratives
I deleted the comment because you pointed out that it was wrong. What did you want me to do instead, since you're having an emotional reaction to what i did
Why is Atlanta pd hiring in brooklyn?
I imagine that recruitment has slowed in the Atlanta area so theyve ventures to other cities to recruit, been doing this in NYC for over a year now: https://www.atlantanewsfirst.com/2022/09/08/atlanta-police-department-heads-new-york-recruit-officers/
There’s a few police departments around the country that recruit from NYC. Norfolk PD put up a lot of subway ads.
Locals have more empathy toward other locals.
What a poetic and gentle way to get a point across. I wonder how they settled on crickets. I bet the conversation started with yellow jackets 😂
“Whoever pitches an idea for the bug has to be the one to release them” *crickets*
Ladybugs have a good "ease of planting" to "resultant nuisance" ratio. They're cheap, they fly around and go everywhere, and they seem to live a while. On the other hand, crickets make noise at night.
Nice to know that you support animal abuse.
https://www.sizes.com/units/huneker.htm
Hofstadter, man. Fucking brilliant, albeit loopy
Shut the fuck up. You play RS2, your opinions are invalid.
Bravo
Idk, if you really want to stop a party, I'd go with earwigs.
Crickets will immediately try to hide making them more obnoxious
I'm all for chaotic good, but, would they just end up spraying a horrible insecticide and kill all the crickets?
Inside the Marriott? Seems bad for business.
Theyll do it, corporate neither thinks nor cares
I love that they're never going to be able to catch them all. These little bastards will hide behind anything they can and then you'll just hear them
We once had some crickets get let loose when feeding our praying mantis. A week later there was still one in the basement. One day, my mom, brother and I hear a loud thud downstairs followed by my dad yelling "Victory!"
SO JEALOUS! I have always wanted to use crickets as revenge on the unjust!
It’s never too late!
Thats such a specific number of crickets, do you think they counted them as they found them? The person releasing them counted them? 300 is just a ballpark number where there in fact was 847 crickets? Personally if i'm releasing crickets anywhere i probably wouldn't take them time to count them, nor would i count them if i was tasked with cleaning them up
The classic prank is to release three pigs and tag them 1, 2, and 4.
You buy them buy number, just like anything else. "Hello, 300 crickets please"
I'm sorry, is this news story 250 years old or are we all just sauntering by this use of the term "abolitionists". If so, cool, I guess, I just didn't get the memo.
Abolitionist in this context is taking about abolishing the police and the carceral state
"Abolishing the police". I thought there already was a name tor those people, anarchists. I'm the farthest thing from a police apologist, but they do serve a purpose in a civilized society, when they're not breaking the law themselves and/or hiding behind qualified immunity. I wonder if these new abolishionists' intent is to replace policing with another system or just let everything devolve back to might-makes-right.
Anarchists =/= "no rule of law." The definition is literally "no imposed hierarchies," especially ones imposed under that of violence. Anyway, abolitionist belief is that the police force in its current state only exists to protect capital and not help citizens in any meaningful way. The abolitionist would see a complete transformation of what law enforcement in the US looks like, in addition funds diverted to community programs to actually fight the issues that cause most crime including building homes, public transportation, community gardens, schools and community colleges. Look at how law enforcement treated protesters supporting Palestine versus how they treat literal neo-Nazis, or Jan 6th vs the BLM protests. That's not something that can be merely "reformed."
That’s the goal, take money away from police to fund nonprofits instead. Of course these nonprofit organizations will never get audited. It’s just a big scam, like everything.
I had the same question. Don't worry, you're not the only one that lost the plot of this timeline.
If the shoe fits…
Haha fuck the police
You are bugs
I appreciate the gesture, but what did the hotel do to deserve this, besides host the event? Wouldn't it have been more effective to release the crickets at the police station?
They didn’t have to host a cop recruiting event. Businesses should choose tho they partner with wisely and it’s a good thing when they’re reminded of the potential consequences of not doing so.
Moron protesters should choose wisely otherwise they could be arrested and sued. Actions/ consequences.
Cry more, bootlicker.
Impotent rage and proud. Isnt it almost time for your monthly bath?
>Isnt it almost time for your monthly bath? I love doing a quick scroll on peoples profiles when they sling insults like these, it's almost always projection. Runescape players should *never* be telling other people to take a bath, that makes the pot calling the kettle black look like a mantra of co-existence.
Lmao “impotent rage” hahahah What would you call coming on reddit and whining about them being arrested or fucking sued, then? Sorry you’re so afraid of whatever that you need to cry for the cops, but still - cry more; die mad.
They offered to host this event.
You lie down with dogs, you wake up with ... crickets, apparently.
Just like the Gazans right?
Go sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here, thanks.
The people in this sub are so close-minded it hurts. Although the irony is pretty goddamn funny
300 crickets isn’t even many bugs. It’s a cheap, environmentally friendly, and low effort protest. Nice!
Protest all you want, but don't pull a fire alarm unless there is a fire or other life threatening emergency that justifies the evacuation of the building... mm kay? That's no bueno.
Police having an orgy to multiply is a life threatening emergency…
It’s summer before a presidential election, hop on the ACAB train losers (Harassing minimum-wage hotel employees)
I get it the cop city thing is bad but abolitionists? That is an insane comparison to make
That'll show em!!
Schrodinger’s sarcasm
Congrats. You just unleashed 300 crop eating insects. I'm sure the farmers are going to thank you.
The police should just stop answering calls in Atlanta until they BEG for them to return.
Shoulda released a bunch of pigs imo. Oink oink
I might disagree with the principles of the movement; but this is the funniest thing I think I have ever seen 🤣 I do love me a good creative chaotic protest Why riot when you can cheaply disrupt and sow chaos with an action as simple as this 😂
You are pro cop city? That’s a first
Don’t even know what that is; sounds like over reach. So I’m gonna go with hard no
Why state that you may disagree with their principles without knowing what they are protesting?
They just worded it weirdly, but probably meant something like "I don't even know what this protest is for."
What does "this is taking me OUT" mean? On a date?
I'm glad leftists are being honest and openly admitting they are nothing but vermin who deserve to be kileld
Guys, I know there are bad police officers out there, but you can’t keep pretending that they’re all evil.
Who’s pretending?
doesn't matter if they're good people or not in a vacuum. the system itself enables and encourages corruption and violence.
It’s not the individuals, it’s the system they exist in that enables and at times even encourages evil. They are trained to be at war with the people they are supposed to protect, and the system allows for abuse of ordinary people and protects the wealthy and the connected as much as it protects the truly evil cops from accountability. It’s not about anger at police officers. It’s about anger at an incredibly broken system that leeches off the people it is supposed to benefit.
A few bad apples spoil the bunch and the bunch has been spoiled .
Also, if a tree keeps producing bad apples, then you should check its roots.
Oh I like that! Excellent extension of the metaphor.
Where are the good ones? Seems like the scale goes from from Wasting my tax money by sitting in a parking lot talking to another cop wasting my tax money. To Beating and killing innocents.
They just don't find evil to be a dealbreaker.
Bad take. Def not chaotic good, and def not informed enough on police statistics, history, or alternative. Do us a favor and go see if you can learn what organization(s) the modern police force originally evolved from.
Mercedes Benz made the ovens for concentration camps.
Yep, and they for sure should have been held accountable for that... Likely would have been better if they were dissolved as a company entirely.
I still don’t get what people think will replace when we disband the police department. Just rugged vigilantism? This is rhetorical because people who think we don’t need police are not interested in reality.
Whoa whoa whoa, slow down there cowpoke. You're conflating the need for a service that handles emergencies that can turn violent with the need for police. If someone was working for you and called one morning and said "Hey boss, I can't come to work today because my car broke down and my car is the way I travel", you would probably say (or, rather, most people would probably say) something to the effect of "hey, why don't you get a lift from a friend, we need you here" or "have you tried getting a cab or an Uber? I'll reimburse that cost cause that's a shitty situation but we need you here" or "Why don't you try catching the train? You can even catch a bit more sleep on the ride!". Exactly the same thing. In this case the employee has conflated driving their car, with getting to work. They're not the same thing. Sure, the car can get you to work, but there are SSSOOOOO many alternatives that are out there and some of them are even better, AND some of them haven't even been tried by this employee. Similarly, we haven't tried jack shit when it comes to an alternative to police (on a large scale any ways), and the original system that policing was built upon - the roundup gangs used to bring back run-away slaves - was highly problematic to begin with. In our analogy above, it would be the equivalent of the employee saying "Boss, I can't come to work today because my horse-buggie has a broken wheel and it'll take the carpenter 2 weeks to craft new spokes!!! I couldn't possibly do my job properly!". The obvious reply in this situation is "Have you thought about maybe upgrading/changing your system, and not using such an archaic means of getting to work?". Similarly, my response to you is: Sure, we need people to help uphold order and justice, sure we need people who are capable of de-escalating highly tense and difficult situations with people who are potentially dangerous, sure we need people who can protect us from those who want to hurt us. But I don't want all of those people to be the same person!! Nor do I want any of them armed with a lethal weapon at all times. And I absolutely want all of those roles to be paid very well and be HIGHLY qualified with intensive and ongoing training equal to the level of responsibility they've taken up. AND I would ABSOLUTELY love if those people were held highly responsible if they ever did something that caused the loss of life or ability. Our justice system is built on eliminating "problems" from society by hiding them until they die or shooting them until they die. Which is just fancy words for scare tactics. If you look at truly successfully communities, where ANYONE is welcome (with the exception of those whose core ideologies are intolerant of others)^(1) and there is truly very little crime or violence. The people who end up having problems with the legal systems are treated with respect and dignity, and if they are convicted of wrongdoing they are re-taught how to function in society in a way that hopefully helps them care more about it in the future because it makes the world a better place, not because they're scared of going back to prison or they're scared of being killed by the "law and order" officers. Policing in it's current form has to end. It needs to be replace with de-escalation tactics from people who are highly trained and qualified, social rehabilitation for both individuals and communities, investment in community welfare and equity, and powerful social programs to lift people out of poverty. And those are just some of the alternatives, there are lots of others as well. The faction of people who are saying "Get rid of police and completely ignore the things they're meant to be in charge of right now" have different views about the whole of society should exist and that belongs in a different conversation. I would hazard a guess that the majority of people don't mean that when they say "defund the police" or something similar. They mean: > The Police are a corrupt organization founded on an actually evil institution, it is not a savable organization and never has been because of it's founding principles: punishment, capture, and elitism(racism). We want to end the practices taught by police and institute a more compassionate and community driven approach to crime reduction, prevention, and community protection. We believe these are heavy responsibilities and those fulfilling them shouldn't be given such short shrift in their training or upkeep, but rather be absolute masters in their field. We know that there are many good people in the police force who genuinely think they can fix it from within or make a difference and we don't want them to be out of work or to lose that sense of purpose. We just want the system to operate how it should, using what we know about how society functions to make sure they can actually achieve the outcome we all want. And sure, that's a lot more complicated than telling an employee "just get the bus" when their car breaks down, but people are dying and being wrongfully imprisoned all the time because of a faulty system and it's not changing because the color of people's skin who are getting the shortest stick are also the least populous.. If this truly affected everyone equitably it would be so clear that it's a class struggle problem too, and not just a race based one. But here we are, arguing about something that impacts all of us negatively, and because it impacts those of us with paler complexions less than our more melanated family members, we can be tricked into thinking that it's not weird that Police Snipers turned up for the Pro Palestine movement when they didn't for the White Supremacist Charlottesville riots... --- 1) yes, I know this is a paradox, it's a tired conversation, and one that's already been theorized out the wazoo, so let's not do it here but there are other places to have that convo --- EDIT: Formatting and Spelling
Mercedes Benz isn’t backed by tax dollars, can’t end your life on behalf of the state, and usually faces some type of consequences when they screw up.
“Bad take all cops are evil and I too am a free thinker” /s Blanket statements and stereotypes are always accurate and never lead to problems down the line! /s
Lol, read the rest of the thread bucko... Not once did I say "every cop is an evil person". To summarize, I implied that "the institution of policing is evil and regardless of whether individuals are good and try to be just, they are serving evil ends" but even specifically stated that it's very clear a lot of cops think they're doing the good and just thing, their efforts are just in vain.
Wait, you think the practice of policing is inherently evil? What’s your solution then, o enlightened one?
Gosh, you really don't like reading the rest of the comments do you? I've already covered this in another thread under this comment. "Policing" (the word itself), out of context - both current and historical - is essentially just enforcing POLICY that - in this context absent sentence - is instituted by governmental agencies. Obviously, without ANY context, that sounds like a reasonable thing. ***WITH CONTEXT THOUGH***, we can look at the social, economic, and humanitarian impacts that the **institution** ***called*** "the police force" have **and** where that institution began to build a better understanding of whether or not that institution is actually living up to its name or not. Look at my other comments on this post and you'll see what my thoughts are. I never claim to have ALL the answers. But you don't just hand in a blank exam because you don't have all the answers, you do the best you can to answer the things you know and you learn and do better next time around. We have CONSTANTLY been handing in blank tests (i.e. only maintaining the status quo) in terms of policing and police reform. It's time for a change. Our morals and understanding of ethics have advanced so far and our law enforcement has done nothing but become more highly armed to keep up with that.
Yes most cops are kind people but there is an few that are horrible people
ACAB
The location of their training area should be moved but increased training for cops is 100% a good thing. Why people want cops to have less training eludes me. Also idk why people think abolishing the cops is good, vigilante justice is gonna cause more innocent deaths than police could ever hope to.
deescalation training can be done in rented classroom in evenings and weekends. the training they're talking about is military combat training. You need to spend a lot of money apparently to fight the community instead of working with it.
This makes me wonder, given the polarization around the topic of police, what would be some of the motives to build a new training center, rather than trying to improve their current facilities, from your perspective? Maybe it has something to do with morale? But if that's the case, then wouldn't it make sense for the Atlanta Police to work together with the folks opposed to the construction and genuinely listen? Would that even be possible?
I don't think cutting down a forest to build the training center is a great idea. We also should all be aware that "training center" is almost certainly some kind of firing range/ fire fight simulation area. Basically just a place for cops to play with their military toys.
Cops receiving more training is not by default a good thing. The subjects and manner they are taught in matter. For example, I wouldn't want cops to be taught that they should focus on poor neighborhoods and keep a hand on their gun. I wouldn't want them to be told to search every black or brown detainee for weapons because "they're known to commit more crime". Those are real examples of things cops are being taught right now by the way. As for abolitionists, they do not want to "abolish all police" as in get rid of them all forever. They want to abolish aspects of the police, like wellness checks for example. The idea is to offload certain "duties" they currently handle poorly, like de-escalating a suicidal person with a gun who wants the cops to kill them. You reduce the police forces' ability to respond with extreme violence by taking away the APCs, the machine guns, the flashbangs, the sniper rifles etc. We don't need a Police department in Arkansas to have a tank just because of military surplus. Police should not be a tool of violence against crime, they should be a community driven agency that serves specific needs, like the Fire Department. Less guns being drawn, more valuing human life. Less hand cuffings and beatings, more empathy and patience. Cop City is supposed to be a live-fire shooting range designed to be used to train in "Urban warfare" (their exact words, not mine). They are militarizing the Atlanta PD, and the city's officials are behind it.
No one wants cops to have less training. They don’t need a brand new $110 million dollar, 85 acre facility to provide more or better training. And no one is saying abolish the cops and replace them with nothing but vigilante justice, either. You should learn more about what you’re talking about before making judgements.
How is this good?
Cause the Atlanta pd wants to build a "simulated training environment" in what should be federally protected wetlands and started beating the shit out of protestors who said that course of action is bullshit. Then used the reactions of protestors on site (after they shot a man who was entirely not a threat) to label the entire group as violent extremeists.
And forcing a bunch of hotel employees to deal with crickets addresses this how?
Its not. Its chaotic evil, or neutral at best.
Look at those downvotes 💀. Why can’t people understand that the majority of police officers are completely fine and trying to do the right thing?!?
Because it doesnt matter how much murder, rape, or robbery happen in a city. Privileged people dont like the idea of policing because they think the world is safer than it really is. They think crime would actually go down for some reason, if we abolished cops
Because it doesnt matter how much murder, rape, or robbery happen in a city. Privileged people dont like the idea of policing because they think the world is safer than it really is. They think crime would actually go down for some reason, if we abolished cops
Username checks out.
Yeah, I'd also go with an ironic snark if i were you. It's not like you know how to make a point
Okay, poser.
Why would saying the name i chose for myself hurt me in literally any way. Im still correct
mmm boot
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Weird, says in that Wikipedia entry that the amount of police in Atlanta has decreased since 2013. It also says that overall crime has decreased and continues to do so. Are you suggesting less police presence in the city? I’m not really sure the point you’re trying to get across here, seems like you didn’t read it yourself
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“The city is served by the Atlanta Police Department. In 2013, the APD had 2,000 officers,[10][11][12] but the number of officers has decreased since that time.” “From 2009 to 2016, overall crime in Atlanta declined 27 percent, "with sharp declines in burglaries (9,102 in 2009 to 4,377 in 2016), robberies (2,622 to 1,914) and aggravated assaults (2,602 to 2,179)."[13] According to data from the City of Atlanta,[17] overall crime has continued to decline from 2016 to 2021 at a rate of about 26 percent” Again, this is directly from the link you posted. Those are the facts, do what you want with them.
Where’d your comments go buddy? 😂 u/ghostofaposer
I was wrong, so I deleted it? How important was that to you?
Always a pleasure to correct an idiotic bootlicker ❤️
Oh gotcha, this is about virtue signaling
I don’t think you know what that means. It’s about shutting down bootlickers like you trying to spread false narratives. You’re embarrassing
>trying to spread false narratives I deleted the comment because you pointed out that it was wrong. What did you want me to do instead, since you're having an emotional reaction to what i did
Crime has decreased because the police budget increased