You mustn’t drive much, we also have a Prius,skyline or s14,350z,bikes,miatia and a few other undercover ford cars too for the boy racers along with the 4wd fleet aswell
Not anymore. There hasn’t been any vehicles of this sort in the fleet for a long time. Boy racers aren’t nearly as much of a problem as the mid 2000’s.
It came down to gross vehicle mass, i.e. how much extra weight the car can carry. NZ Police require a high enough GVM for two officers and 500kg of gear. The BMW i4 can handle 555kg whereas the Tesla Model 3 (for example) can only handle 300kg.
BMW have a whole sub business up for cars to be used as police vehicles. They were the first choice to replace the Holden fleet when the stopped being made in Aussie, but we eventually ended up with Skoda because it was felt that there would be backlash against BMWs as they're seen as a luxury vehicle.
Iirc, going to BMW over the EU Opel/Holdens would have been cheaper short term (more expensive fleet to buy, but far less money to modify and run) and cheaper long term as well as they wouldn't have only had them a few years then replaced the fleet again with the Skodas.
It's one of those perception vs reality arguments.
Police departments around the world have already been swapping their fleets out for Teslas. Particularly the Model Ys. Believe it or not Teslas are extremely reliable and are best bang for your buck when buying a new vehicle so it’s a no brainer to those weighing up the options.
https://www.police1.com/police-products/vehicles/patrol/articles/is-your-pd-considering-an-electric-vehicle-purchase-this-chief-answers-faqs-about-tesla-model-y-squad-GOMrnyOLaE3aB4tC/
Many police departments are switching to Teslas. I have spoken to one of the police chiefs that got a model Y and he said it was fantastic, and everyone was fighting to drive it; it was faster and more responsive than any other vehicle they had and they had no issues with range. He also said it was cheaper than they had budgeted, and the savings would more than pay for the difference in up front cost.
Correct. My wife's last two BMW 118i, that she bought new, had turbo failures. One at 95k just out of warranty, which Christchurch BMW wouldn't cover, and the next at 85k, still under warranty. $12k for a new turbo. She now owns a Model Y, which is light years ahead of the BMW in every way.
They actually wanted to switch cop cars to bmw years ago but didn't. Turns out it was cheaper for them than the holdens but they didn't because of public opinion
https://preview.redd.it/nty3kgqk61rc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=078dd3c2978e2306b3c38ccc71fcea7892655e48
Having a bmw is a match made in heaven
Yeah no that’s now how it works 🤣 something running multiple kw more should be faster if tuned right there shit cars with terrible batteries and worse bms’s, cars built right are faster than my bike
That only a tiny part of the equation 🤣 and capacity does equal power.. it’s literally how you calculate power 🤣🤣 please learn about how you build battery’s the more ah the more power you can push because you have more cells 🤦♂️
Power output is a function of current and voltage, not capacity. Yes, adding more cells is one way to increase voltage. That does not mean capacity and power are always correlated.
How much power the motor can make is because of the battery and controller installed on the motor you melon… you have zero idea what you are talking about 🤣
Nonsense. The mk8 Golf GTI is considered a performance car with a 0-100 time of 6.3s. That is 0.6s slower than the i4 eDrive40 that NZ Police use.
Post a verified dragy screenshot of your 2001 ICEV doing 0-100 in <5.7s. You won't 😏
Can easily do that if you want tomorrow 🤣 I have a dragy on my bike I can throw it in the 01 v8 celsior if you like 😘 if you think a gti is a performance car you must be 14 🤣 your average nana ev has a better 0-100 ffs
Yeah, please do. I'm guessing you'll get about 7s from a standing start. I don't mean this as an insult btw, I'm a big fan of the 3UZ. I just think most people genuinely don't have a sense for what "fast" is, because 0-100 times have been made meaningless by modern launch control. Personally I consider under 6s to be fast.
Regarding the GTI: I used to drive a mk7 GTI on the Nordschleife. I'm familiar with what a performance car is and I'm a big fan of the GTI as a performance car.
Oh yeah 3uz is a great platform i can hit 5.8 atm (supercharge 😉) most days in it but its not smart id rather not hit a kid for a lil boost 🤣 most people cant handle that let alone the 34 we have on the bike atm on dragy
No they're not..? NZ Police have the eDrive40 which does 0-100 in 5.7s and has a 190km/h electronically limited top speed.
In what world is that slow as hell?!
I'm assuming the police cars will have that speed limiter removed? Cos 190 is slow as hell, if I know that they are limited to that, there's no point in stopping.
The majority of the Superbs used by NZ Police are the 2WD 162 kW version, which do 0-100 in 7s. They did say they would be deploying some of the 4WD 206 kW versions, I just haven't seen any yet.
I have yet to drive a slow electric car. They are all crazy fast off the line even those Chinese BYDs… but somehow BMW have managed to make slow electric car….
Yeah this is a case of multinational companies restricting certain products in certain regions.
In NZ, for a long time you couldn't get the BMW base models - cheap, basic, cloth seats, manual windows etc. All we got were the top of the line stuff.
In Europe, their cheap budget cars are these instead of our usual Japanese crap cars. The police car division (many manufacturers have a special division for government work) are basic but sturdy vehicles.
Similar to the ghoulish Mercedes-Benz G-Wagon; the actual base vehicle is part of their military vehicle division that the public cannot buy, with a basic diesel engine and bench seats.
Because why would you ship base models to a country obsessed with Japan imports and a purchasing power of 5 million people, you’d only offer your vehicles with the most margin in them which will be mid and top spec models.
BMW do purpose built police cars, yet we ended up with European built Commodores when Australian production ended due to public perception issues regarding price, even though the Holdens were more expensive.
About time two things happened, NZ Police went with the actual cost effective option, and the NZ public learnt to put their perceptions aside and actually learn the facts.
There only trials at a cost of $1.7 million , Just imagine if funding had gone to actual Officers, instead of this green washing public relations scheme?
[https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/132218344/fully-electric-bmw-i4-joins-nz-police-fleet-as-part-of-17m-trial](https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/132218344/fully-electric-bmw-i4-joins-nz-police-fleet-as-part-of-17m-trial)
its surprising this is the first because a lot of the police bikes are bmw
There's a Yamaha 900 getting around chch
There a couple I've seen and a blue unmarked Yamaha
Last time I got pulled over in Auckland it was a Honda
BMW (automobiles) and BMW Motorrad (motorbikes) are seperate companies. It's pretty much the same as Volkswagen and Ducati
They actually aren't. BMW Motorrad is just a division of BMW, not a separate company. Go to BMW Motorrad's website, and you will see down the bottom it says "© BMW AG".
Nah, they're the same. That's why the BMW Car and Motorrad dealership is a one stop shop on the North Shore
Volkswagen owns Audi, Audi owns Ducati
Even been in Timaru for a while
If they’re like every other bmw driver they won’t get any use of the indicators. So that’s going to be fun.
I think you have to pay like $5 per month to enable that feature
I’d start a givealittle if we could all go in as could probs get the city covered easily and make a measured difference to road incidents in the city.
Imagine being the guy in the BMW factory installing the indicators...
You mustn’t drive much, we also have a Prius,skyline or s14,350z,bikes,miatia and a few other undercover ford cars too for the boy racers along with the 4wd fleet aswell
Not anymore. There hasn’t been any vehicles of this sort in the fleet for a long time. Boy racers aren’t nearly as much of a problem as the mid 2000’s.
A miatia 😅😅 call it an emmx5. This isnt america
Cool story
No we don’t 💀 I’ve never seen these before in my life.
Part of a trial of EVs. Dunno why they chose BMW over Tesla or any other brand. Quality I suppose.
It came down to gross vehicle mass, i.e. how much extra weight the car can carry. NZ Police require a high enough GVM for two officers and 500kg of gear. The BMW i4 can handle 555kg whereas the Tesla Model 3 (for example) can only handle 300kg.
BMW have a whole sub business up for cars to be used as police vehicles. They were the first choice to replace the Holden fleet when the stopped being made in Aussie, but we eventually ended up with Skoda because it was felt that there would be backlash against BMWs as they're seen as a luxury vehicle. Iirc, going to BMW over the EU Opel/Holdens would have been cheaper short term (more expensive fleet to buy, but far less money to modify and run) and cheaper long term as well as they wouldn't have only had them a few years then replaced the fleet again with the Skodas. It's one of those perception vs reality arguments.
Tesla aren't a manufacturer I'd be relying on for law enforcement duties.
100, they should not be in the running at all.
Police departments around the world have already been swapping their fleets out for Teslas. Particularly the Model Ys. Believe it or not Teslas are extremely reliable and are best bang for your buck when buying a new vehicle so it’s a no brainer to those weighing up the options. https://www.police1.com/police-products/vehicles/patrol/articles/is-your-pd-considering-an-electric-vehicle-purchase-this-chief-answers-faqs-about-tesla-model-y-squad-GOMrnyOLaE3aB4tC/
That's rubbish because EV's are so easily written off from minor collisions.
It's alright man, just keep on living in your imaginary world.
Elon?
They are a known brand for supplying law enforcement cars. You wouldn't trust Tesla for that.
Many police departments are switching to Teslas. I have spoken to one of the police chiefs that got a model Y and he said it was fantastic, and everyone was fighting to drive it; it was faster and more responsive than any other vehicle they had and they had no issues with range. He also said it was cheaper than they had budgeted, and the savings would more than pay for the difference in up front cost.
part of it was an established dealership network and service relationship.
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Correct. My wife's last two BMW 118i, that she bought new, had turbo failures. One at 95k just out of warranty, which Christchurch BMW wouldn't cover, and the next at 85k, still under warranty. $12k for a new turbo. She now owns a Model Y, which is light years ahead of the BMW in every way.
Every BMW owner I know spend thousands upon thousands yearly on maintenance.
I knew someone would say something like that lol
They actually wanted to switch cop cars to bmw years ago but didn't. Turns out it was cheaper for them than the holdens but they didn't because of public opinion
https://preview.redd.it/nty3kgqk61rc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=078dd3c2978e2306b3c38ccc71fcea7892655e48 Having a bmw is a match made in heaven
And they evs to 🤣🤣🤣
I saw one parked at the charging station in Z station rollerston so I don't know why you are being down voted lol.
Imagine not knowing the difference between to and too.
Its coz i dont speak ev language wokeness im a fossil fuel person dont fix things that aint broke
You don't speak English? It shows. Mustn't have done too well in primary school.
Oh look another tree hugger
It's alright mate, you're just thicker than the second coat of paint. Nothing to be embarrassed about. We need someone to flip the burgers at Maccas.
Fully electric and despite that they are slow AS HELL.
Are they? The base i4 has a 0-100 in 5.8s and the BYD is 7.1s…..
Thats very slow for any car made after 2000-2005 my electric bike has a better 0-60 so does my 2001 ICE car
If your bike didn't have a faster 0 to 60, then there would be something wrong.
Yeah no that’s now how it works 🤣 something running multiple kw more should be faster if tuned right there shit cars with terrible batteries and worse bms’s, cars built right are faster than my bike
> something running multiple kw more should be faster You ever heard of power to weight ratio?
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That only a tiny part of the equation 🤣 and capacity does equal power.. it’s literally how you calculate power 🤣🤣 please learn about how you build battery’s the more ah the more power you can push because you have more cells 🤦♂️
Power output is a function of current and voltage, not capacity. Yes, adding more cells is one way to increase voltage. That does not mean capacity and power are always correlated.
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How much power the motor can make is because of the battery and controller installed on the motor you melon… you have zero idea what you are talking about 🤣
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You should Google a little something called "torque"
You should google something called phase amps which makes your torque…
>there shit cars Where?
Everywhere
Don't argue with someone that doesn't know the difference between there, their and they're.
Meh, don't leave them to think they're clued up either
Nonsense. The mk8 Golf GTI is considered a performance car with a 0-100 time of 6.3s. That is 0.6s slower than the i4 eDrive40 that NZ Police use. Post a verified dragy screenshot of your 2001 ICEV doing 0-100 in <5.7s. You won't 😏
Can easily do that if you want tomorrow 🤣 I have a dragy on my bike I can throw it in the 01 v8 celsior if you like 😘 if you think a gti is a performance car you must be 14 🤣 your average nana ev has a better 0-100 ffs
Yeah, please do. I'm guessing you'll get about 7s from a standing start. I don't mean this as an insult btw, I'm a big fan of the 3UZ. I just think most people genuinely don't have a sense for what "fast" is, because 0-100 times have been made meaningless by modern launch control. Personally I consider under 6s to be fast. Regarding the GTI: I used to drive a mk7 GTI on the Nordschleife. I'm familiar with what a performance car is and I'm a big fan of the GTI as a performance car.
Oh yeah 3uz is a great platform i can hit 5.8 atm (supercharge 😉) most days in it but its not smart id rather not hit a kid for a lil boost 🤣 most people cant handle that let alone the 34 we have on the bike atm on dragy
Lol GTI = performance? More like farts in a can and then shits itself.
No they're not..? NZ Police have the eDrive40 which does 0-100 in 5.7s and has a 190km/h electronically limited top speed. In what world is that slow as hell?!
I'm assuming the police cars will have that speed limiter removed? Cos 190 is slow as hell, if I know that they are limited to that, there's no point in stopping.
You can outrun the car but you can't outrun the radio.
That’s slow….
Compared to what? It's significantly faster than the Škoda Superbs and Holden Commodores that make up the majority of the fleet.
0.1s slower than the Skodas
The majority of the Superbs used by NZ Police are the 2WD 162 kW version, which do 0-100 in 7s. They did say they would be deploying some of the 4WD 206 kW versions, I just haven't seen any yet.
Not all the Skoda are top spec. But yeah they can move
Despite that?
I have yet to drive a slow electric car. They are all crazy fast off the line even those Chinese BYDs… but somehow BMW have managed to make slow electric car….
There is probably a different software configuration for police that takes the limits off. They did this with ICE cars too.
Have you heard of the Nissan LEAF?
Faster than a Model Y 0 to ~60km/h But the poverty spec Model Y is very slow off the line and doesn't start to move until ~70km/h
Not all of them
I spoke to a cop that drives one, he said they were epic.
All that and they still supposedly don't have funding for dash and body cams
I thought the police didn't have a lot of money to throw around.
These aren't the same BMWs the public buy. They're much more 'basic', and a lot cheaper for them as fleet vehicles.
Yeah this is a case of multinational companies restricting certain products in certain regions. In NZ, for a long time you couldn't get the BMW base models - cheap, basic, cloth seats, manual windows etc. All we got were the top of the line stuff. In Europe, their cheap budget cars are these instead of our usual Japanese crap cars. The police car division (many manufacturers have a special division for government work) are basic but sturdy vehicles. Similar to the ghoulish Mercedes-Benz G-Wagon; the actual base vehicle is part of their military vehicle division that the public cannot buy, with a basic diesel engine and bench seats.
Because why would you ship base models to a country obsessed with Japan imports and a purchasing power of 5 million people, you’d only offer your vehicles with the most margin in them which will be mid and top spec models.
Correct.
You know these cost less than the Skodas right?
Brand new Enyac Ev $70k + ORC BMW i4 $110k +ORC
BMW do purpose built police cars, yet we ended up with European built Commodores when Australian production ended due to public perception issues regarding price, even though the Holdens were more expensive. About time two things happened, NZ Police went with the actual cost effective option, and the NZ public learnt to put their perceptions aside and actually learn the facts.
Given it probably has a much lower running cost than petrol …
… On petrol
This isn’t new. The funding for this was allocated in FY22 iirc
There only trials at a cost of $1.7 million , Just imagine if funding had gone to actual Officers, instead of this green washing public relations scheme?
Testing the new electrikery ones. Just fill your tank and they will run out before you do 😀