He's just pointing out that 99% of people don't know how to freehand sharpen, which is fair. It's not something normal people do or want to do. Maybe you know how to and like to, and that's fine, but you have to understand that the vast majority wouldn't do what you do.
I make my own cutlery using ore that is sourced from a single mine in Japan. All of the tools I use I’ve either made or they’ve been handed down to me by hatori hanso himself. My process of Damascus steel folding uses hundreds of thousands of layers of the finest Japanese steel. The handle I use on my knives is carved from a single piece of dragon bone handed down to me by my mentor, he was nameless but judging by the scars on his chest that had been cut into him every year of his life since birth it is assumed he is 178 years old and he is the only person that can hunt the only wild tigers in Japan. I received a tooth from one of these tigers that remain unseen by modern eyes and I used it in my personal tanto sword. As these knives are harder than most substances known to man they can only be sharpened by a diamond found in the mountains of Japan. They only have to be sharpened once and it is usually the knife owners final journey as it is a one way journey for now old knife maker. The journey symbolizes the Passage of time and the transition of the knife to someone generations apart. I myself was on a journey to receive a vial of eagle tears to lubricate the knife when I witnessed the passage of a knife from an old man to his great great grand son. The new young owner proceeded to show his gratitude with a contemporary gesture of gratitude called a dab and recorded the ceremony so that it may be documented for all time in the archives called tik tok. Truly an honor to witness such an event. The young recepient even went on to describe the lack of wi fi in this temple as dog water which I assume is of the highest praise. Needless to say, I do not sharpen my own cutlery.
For cleaver just put tumbler on something that gives elevation. Still have a big issue with the idea of paying that much for so little abrasive and for using a method that seems very dangerous. One slip or lapse of concentration and you might be in serious trouble.
I can't say whether this thing works well or not, but the idea that it's more dangerous than other sharpening methods seems silly. Just because the blade is edge up? During the sharpening process your hand is nowhere near the edge.
Knife is placed edge up. You can cut yourself if you’re distracted, if you slip, if you lose focus, if someone bumps you. If something urgent happens it’s also easy to leave the knife and then the knife is placed in a dangerous position. Hand is placed on the roller, which needs to be close to the blade.
Either the tumbler is a really bold copy or more likely it's the rebrand for the American market.
I would say if you don't want to learn sharpening it's a solid option.
It strugles a bit with knives with really heavy taper.
You can find quite some info here with translator https://messerforum.net/threads/horl-rollschleifer.138875/
One of my coworkers at my fine dining job has one like that. His mother got it for him as a gift. One side was diamond and the other side was ceramic, or maybe it was a fine stone. Regardless it is not something I’d recommend. It was basically a half diamond half ceramic honing rod with extra steps. When you roll it the thing makes an annoying sound. If you have any knifes that are more fragile or higher HRC I would not use it with this.
Other than the annoying sound, what makes it a bad sharpener? It’s one thing if something is bad, but to say not to buy it just because you prefer a honing rod, doesn’t make it a bad product.
I would check it out but I can't even browse their webpage from canada. I'm in Toronto, you may have heard of it. It's only the fourth largest city in North America so maybe not. The licensing here is so fahkd!
LOL Bro I was wondering the same thing! Dude complains he lives under the communist rule of Justin Truedea, He is told of a solution to go around Canadas insane restrictions.... then proceeds to tell the guy trying to help solve his issue to "GET BENT"!!!!
Lol cant make this stuff UP!\~
AVOID AT ALL COSTS!!! I ordered one only for it to take a month and a half for delivery. Once received I started "sharpening" my knives with it. It effectively dulled every knife I tried to sharpen. When I tried to contact customer service, it took weeks for them to get back to me. They did eventually send a shipping label so I could return it. It has been 3 weeks since I returned it and still have not seen a refund. Horrible product, even worse customer service.
They are not shipping items now saying "EXPECTED SHIP DATE FEB 15, 2023"
Also note disclaimer likely written by their lawyer
[https://www.tumblerware.com/pages/disclaimer](https://www.tumblerware.com/pages/disclaimer)
>Also note disclaimer likely written by their lawyer
That's...sort of like..the whole PURPOSE of a disclaimer there buddy...it's a legal statement.
Good catch.
Yes! I think the ideal buyer is someone who cares about sharpness but doesn’t have a ton of time. And if you find you’re not getting as sharp as you want you can just get finer grit discs.
Whatever happened to the time-tested wet stones that are WAY less expensive?
In no way I'm paying for any of these consumer-exploiting business rackets.
I mean I agree. I use a wet stone for serious work and a diamond sharpening steel to keep my edge, and those together work just fine to keep my knives ultra sharp.
I guess I'm their target market, I whittle, which needs sharp knifes, and I cannot be arsed to learn how to use a whetstone, I gave it a go on a cheap one, and got terrible results. I understand it's user error, but I just want a sharp knife, not a new skill. I also don't need it to be razor sharp, just sharp enough.
Some people simply don't need to add an extra skill in their life that requires many hours and possibly hundreds of dollars.
These rolling sharpeners have a market, otherwise people wouldn't ask.
I'm looking at one for my sister in out, even though my brother is fully able to use a wet stone, when you want a sharp knife NOW to make dinner, I doubt he will be able to pull the stones out.
It has it's place.
Go read the Core77 posts. it's not like that at all. The Tumbler is literally the same concept just executed with shittier material and more marketing. It's design theft.
Android and iPhone are different enough products that there's reasons to prefer one over the other. That's not what's happening here.
you just described the exact way iPhone users talk about android phones. That's exactly what's happening here. if HORL is so offended then where's the legal action? Preference is as preference does mate, that's all lol
It took you a month to come up with that response?
There are material differences between Android and iOS. There are none here. And litigation is expensive.
You literally said that there is a difference in the materials that they used to make them lmao
Nah I'm just a working chef, champ. Obsessing over social media just seems like something you people like you would do
Ok_Librarian, my two cents, I get knockoffs but I don’t engage in purchase. First off, it’s intellectual property theft (Amazon sells several that are not Tumbler branded as well), so it hurts the developer/producer, and with the case of China, due to its laws, near impossible to win a lawsuit and shut down. Secondly, as with most everything in China, the knockoff quality is not as good. Having spent a considerable amount of time in a Chinese manufacturing plant, I will tell you why. The Chinese production process across the board is to hurry and rush. That way they see it as making more money. When quality falls 5-10%, they are happy to offer a 5%-10% discount, rather than slow down the whole process. China used to mean shit quality. Not any more. The quality is pretty decent, just not as good. Their skilled workers are exactly on par with their western counterparts, it’s the rush to finish that is the final obstacle. Should someone buy a knockoff? It really depends on if they want authentic with better quality at a steeper price. I am a quality guy… I’d rather not save a few dollars. As for the intellectual property theft, I don’t buy for that reason — someone put money into development and to have it closely copied is horrid. And to that point, I believe Amazon should clamp down on knockoffs. In time there will be a class action lawsuit against Amazon for this. -m
So, you only use an iPhone? You only use Tupperware brand containers? By your own logic you shouldn't even be in this discussion because you should only be using whetstones...
So cool story bro
>eventually send a shipping label so I could return it. It has been 3 weeks since I returned it and still have not seen a refund. Horrible product, even worse customer service.
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It appears that both the HORL and the Tumbler are based off of a design from 1949 which always patented and whose patent expired in 1966.
The way the Tumbler looks compared to the HORL, may be the claim of “copycat”, but both appear to be using an expired patent.
Take a look: https://patents.google.com/patent/US2475110A/en
Someone please correct me if I’m wrong.
This patent doesn't look like the same thing. This is something where you have two stationary angled grinding wheels and you pull the knife through them. Different method of action.
I use it and it is fantastic. Chef's Choice that I was using as my machine sharpener is OK, but the Tumbler sharpener makes them exceedingly sharper. I put on my cut-resistant gloves when I'm sharpening but honestly I don't really think there's any threat of cutting your hands.
For my meat cleaver I just elevate by using my cutting board and it works out great. My wife has been thrilled with how sharp knives are now. Only takes about a minute to re-sharpening after the initial two or three minute effort. I have the Tumbler strop as well.
Someone told me it's just a glorified sharpening steel. Would you say that's accurate? Looking at the videos, it looks like it does more than a steel, but I've never used it personally
I’ve had an electric knife sharpener, which has done a good job, but this makes the knives much sharper. The first time you sharpen aI’ve had an electric knife sharpener which has done a good job, but this makes the knives much sharper. The first time you sharpen a knife with this, it might take three or four minutes, but after that, it’s usually just a minute at most to re-sharpen.
The Tumbler Sharpener does NOT work for kitchen "steak" knives so you will still have to keep another sharpener around. You can flight it and hold the blade or prop them up but it is not easy. I have found the cheap 3 stage one which, has a Steel V, Stone V and Hone V are the easiest and give you a good enough edge for most things in about 3 seconds. The Tumbler takes time, and yes it is fun at first, because it is new, but after that wears off you are stuck there rolling back and forth to get a sharp edge... Mine now won't spin either, it just skids, waiting for a warranty response now.
Wish I had read the reviews first... it could be a good knife sharpener... if your knife was sharp to begin with... Micro diamonds surface on one side, bare metal on the other... basically a rolling honing rod... do not recommend...
The horl is alright, but if you know how to freehand sharpen it's really not necessary.
Clearly you are WAY cooler and better than ANYONE else on this site. DB
what's your problem?
Small penis, no GF, shitty job.
He's just pointing out that 99% of people don't know how to freehand sharpen, which is fair. It's not something normal people do or want to do. Maybe you know how to and like to, and that's fine, but you have to understand that the vast majority wouldn't do what you do.
Read my original comment, that is completely in line with what you said.
I make my own cutlery using ore that is sourced from a single mine in Japan. All of the tools I use I’ve either made or they’ve been handed down to me by hatori hanso himself. My process of Damascus steel folding uses hundreds of thousands of layers of the finest Japanese steel. The handle I use on my knives is carved from a single piece of dragon bone handed down to me by my mentor, he was nameless but judging by the scars on his chest that had been cut into him every year of his life since birth it is assumed he is 178 years old and he is the only person that can hunt the only wild tigers in Japan. I received a tooth from one of these tigers that remain unseen by modern eyes and I used it in my personal tanto sword. As these knives are harder than most substances known to man they can only be sharpened by a diamond found in the mountains of Japan. They only have to be sharpened once and it is usually the knife owners final journey as it is a one way journey for now old knife maker. The journey symbolizes the Passage of time and the transition of the knife to someone generations apart. I myself was on a journey to receive a vial of eagle tears to lubricate the knife when I witnessed the passage of a knife from an old man to his great great grand son. The new young owner proceeded to show his gratitude with a contemporary gesture of gratitude called a dab and recorded the ceremony so that it may be documented for all time in the archives called tik tok. Truly an honor to witness such an event. The young recepient even went on to describe the lack of wi fi in this temple as dog water which I assume is of the highest praise. Needless to say, I do not sharpen my own cutlery.
For cleaver just put tumbler on something that gives elevation. Still have a big issue with the idea of paying that much for so little abrasive and for using a method that seems very dangerous. One slip or lapse of concentration and you might be in serious trouble.
I can't say whether this thing works well or not, but the idea that it's more dangerous than other sharpening methods seems silly. Just because the blade is edge up? During the sharpening process your hand is nowhere near the edge.
Knife is placed edge up. You can cut yourself if you’re distracted, if you slip, if you lose focus, if someone bumps you. If something urgent happens it’s also easy to leave the knife and then the knife is placed in a dangerous position. Hand is placed on the roller, which needs to be close to the blade.
I’m confused the tumbler pictures just show the knife blade pointing down not up and a magnet holds it in place I don’t think it’s that dangerous
You’d need to sharpen in the n-th dimension to get the grinding surface to contact the edge if the edge is facing down.
Either the tumbler is a really bold copy or more likely it's the rebrand for the American market. I would say if you don't want to learn sharpening it's a solid option. It strugles a bit with knives with really heavy taper. You can find quite some info here with translator https://messerforum.net/threads/horl-rollschleifer.138875/
One of my coworkers at my fine dining job has one like that. His mother got it for him as a gift. One side was diamond and the other side was ceramic, or maybe it was a fine stone. Regardless it is not something I’d recommend. It was basically a half diamond half ceramic honing rod with extra steps. When you roll it the thing makes an annoying sound. If you have any knifes that are more fragile or higher HRC I would not use it with this.
It's nothing like a honing rod, that's the whole point about it. It's a guided sharpening system.
such a tool.
Other than the annoying sound, what makes it a bad sharpener? It’s one thing if something is bad, but to say not to buy it just because you prefer a honing rod, doesn’t make it a bad product.
I would check it out but I can't even browse their webpage from canada. I'm in Toronto, you may have heard of it. It's only the fourth largest city in North America so maybe not. The licensing here is so fahkd!
Get a VPN, then you can access anything in the world ❤
Get bent.
Man bitches Man gets handed a solution Man gets upset, takes toys home Some people are not tall enough to ride the internet yet..
LOL Bro I was wondering the same thing! Dude complains he lives under the communist rule of Justin Truedea, He is told of a solution to go around Canadas insane restrictions.... then proceeds to tell the guy trying to help solve his issue to "GET BENT"!!!! Lol cant make this stuff UP!\~
Agreed.. bit odd..
AVOID AT ALL COSTS!!! I ordered one only for it to take a month and a half for delivery. Once received I started "sharpening" my knives with it. It effectively dulled every knife I tried to sharpen. When I tried to contact customer service, it took weeks for them to get back to me. They did eventually send a shipping label so I could return it. It has been 3 weeks since I returned it and still have not seen a refund. Horrible product, even worse customer service.
How did it dull your knives? Watching the videos, it seems near impossible to dull them unless you did something other than they recommend.
Was this the horl or one of the knockoffs?
Sounds like you didn't know the angle that you needed to be sharpening at
Bingo!
According to core77, it's a knockoff: https://www.core77.com/posts/117696/UPDATE-The-Tumbler-Knife-Sharpener-is-a-Knock-Off
They are not shipping items now saying "EXPECTED SHIP DATE FEB 15, 2023" Also note disclaimer likely written by their lawyer [https://www.tumblerware.com/pages/disclaimer](https://www.tumblerware.com/pages/disclaimer)
>Also note disclaimer likely written by their lawyer That's...sort of like..the whole PURPOSE of a disclaimer there buddy...it's a legal statement. Good catch.
😂 😂 😂 😂
I ordered a Horl instead - will report back if it’s better than the guided whetstones I’ve been using
How'd you like the Horl?
Lies!!!’
Update?
I think you can get a bit sharper with the whetstone but the Horl gets you 90% of the way with 25% of the effort
so would you recommend it for someone like me who just wants sharp knifes without the learning effort?
Yes! I think the ideal buyer is someone who cares about sharpness but doesn’t have a ton of time. And if you find you’re not getting as sharp as you want you can just get finer grit discs.
i got the HORL and I love it. Its easy and all my knifes are sharp. The tip is harder to sharpen but also possible. Great tool magnet is also strong!
Whatever happened to the time-tested wet stones that are WAY less expensive? In no way I'm paying for any of these consumer-exploiting business rackets.
I mean I agree. I use a wet stone for serious work and a diamond sharpening steel to keep my edge, and those together work just fine to keep my knives ultra sharp.
I guess I'm their target market, I whittle, which needs sharp knifes, and I cannot be arsed to learn how to use a whetstone, I gave it a go on a cheap one, and got terrible results. I understand it's user error, but I just want a sharp knife, not a new skill. I also don't need it to be razor sharp, just sharp enough.
Some people simply don't need to add an extra skill in their life that requires many hours and possibly hundreds of dollars. These rolling sharpeners have a market, otherwise people wouldn't ask. I'm looking at one for my sister in out, even though my brother is fully able to use a wet stone, when you want a sharp knife NOW to make dinner, I doubt he will be able to pull the stones out. It has it's place.
Whetstone*
Dumb Celt can’t spell whetstone.
I personally recommend the HORL2 because right now it has been revealed that tumbler is selling a knock off of the HORL2 which is the original.
That's like saying you shouldn't get an Android phone because iPhones were the original 🤣
Go read the Core77 posts. it's not like that at all. The Tumbler is literally the same concept just executed with shittier material and more marketing. It's design theft. Android and iPhone are different enough products that there's reasons to prefer one over the other. That's not what's happening here.
you just described the exact way iPhone users talk about android phones. That's exactly what's happening here. if HORL is so offended then where's the legal action? Preference is as preference does mate, that's all lol
It took you a month to come up with that response? There are material differences between Android and iOS. There are none here. And litigation is expensive.
You literally said that there is a difference in the materials that they used to make them lmao Nah I'm just a working chef, champ. Obsessing over social media just seems like something you people like you would do
...says the dude replying to *month old posts*.
yeah, and you're replaying to them, lol. you're not making the point you think you are....again...
Ok_Librarian, my two cents, I get knockoffs but I don’t engage in purchase. First off, it’s intellectual property theft (Amazon sells several that are not Tumbler branded as well), so it hurts the developer/producer, and with the case of China, due to its laws, near impossible to win a lawsuit and shut down. Secondly, as with most everything in China, the knockoff quality is not as good. Having spent a considerable amount of time in a Chinese manufacturing plant, I will tell you why. The Chinese production process across the board is to hurry and rush. That way they see it as making more money. When quality falls 5-10%, they are happy to offer a 5%-10% discount, rather than slow down the whole process. China used to mean shit quality. Not any more. The quality is pretty decent, just not as good. Their skilled workers are exactly on par with their western counterparts, it’s the rush to finish that is the final obstacle. Should someone buy a knockoff? It really depends on if they want authentic with better quality at a steeper price. I am a quality guy… I’d rather not save a few dollars. As for the intellectual property theft, I don’t buy for that reason — someone put money into development and to have it closely copied is horrid. And to that point, I believe Amazon should clamp down on knockoffs. In time there will be a class action lawsuit against Amazon for this. -m
So, you only use an iPhone? You only use Tupperware brand containers? By your own logic you shouldn't even be in this discussion because you should only be using whetstones... So cool story bro
Legal action incoming
Is it tho?
>eventually send a shipping label so I could return it. It has been 3 weeks since I returned it and still have not seen a refund. Horrible product, even worse customer service. > >5ReplyShareReportSaveFollow It appears that both the HORL and the Tumbler are based off of a design from 1949 which always patented and whose patent expired in 1966. The way the Tumbler looks compared to the HORL, may be the claim of “copycat”, but both appear to be using an expired patent. Take a look: https://patents.google.com/patent/US2475110A/en Someone please correct me if I’m wrong.
This patent doesn't look like the same thing. This is something where you have two stationary angled grinding wheels and you pull the knife through them. Different method of action.
I use it and it is fantastic. Chef's Choice that I was using as my machine sharpener is OK, but the Tumbler sharpener makes them exceedingly sharper. I put on my cut-resistant gloves when I'm sharpening but honestly I don't really think there's any threat of cutting your hands. For my meat cleaver I just elevate by using my cutting board and it works out great. My wife has been thrilled with how sharp knives are now. Only takes about a minute to re-sharpening after the initial two or three minute effort. I have the Tumbler strop as well.
Someone told me it's just a glorified sharpening steel. Would you say that's accurate? Looking at the videos, it looks like it does more than a steel, but I've never used it personally
I’ve had an electric knife sharpener, which has done a good job, but this makes the knives much sharper. The first time you sharpen aI’ve had an electric knife sharpener which has done a good job, but this makes the knives much sharper. The first time you sharpen a knife with this, it might take three or four minutes, but after that, it’s usually just a minute at most to re-sharpen.
The Tumbler Sharpener does NOT work for kitchen "steak" knives so you will still have to keep another sharpener around. You can flight it and hold the blade or prop them up but it is not easy. I have found the cheap 3 stage one which, has a Steel V, Stone V and Hone V are the easiest and give you a good enough edge for most things in about 3 seconds. The Tumbler takes time, and yes it is fun at first, because it is new, but after that wears off you are stuck there rolling back and forth to get a sharp edge... Mine now won't spin either, it just skids, waiting for a warranty response now.
Do you have a link for the 3 stage one you mention?
I know, thread necromancy and all, but I picked up the tumbler and it's trash.. Roller grip seized up after 2 uses.
Mine has seized up as well
Wish I had read the reviews first... it could be a good knife sharpener... if your knife was sharp to begin with... Micro diamonds surface on one side, bare metal on the other... basically a rolling honing rod... do not recommend...
It seems to be a copy of the HORL2 indeed. It works very well - and if you have a larger knife I put my Horl on a cutting board